Thread 96143083

Skyport Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96137653

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
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>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Thread Question
Are you enjoying the Year of Dwarf?

>>96143083 (OP)
Is crazy to believe that when they finally know what they want to do with the Orruks and Gitmob they will give them their own book? I mean compared with the rest of GAs Destruction is an absolute and horrible mess.

>TQ
Dont care for votann, dont really care for TOW dwarves either, Khadrons will interest me when they get gundams that can rival with tau (but the pirates are cool), and helsmiths look like a fun project to take on.
Also please lets not make year of the dwarf a thing. Otherwise we're gonna turn 2026 into the year of the elf.

>>96143083 (OP)
This art is emblematic of what’s wrong with AoS. The nonsensical scale of the port in a sea of nothing in the background. AoS isn’t a setting so much as a method for corporate to sell whatever hamfisted ideas their “ creatives “ come up with at any time. With full DEI checklists met and Blackrock shareholders satisfied.

>TQ
This is elf territory mayflies

>>96143083 (OP)
>Year of the dwarfs
>Still forgotten and just barely mentioned
Ur-frends when will be our turn?

>>96143113
so your complaint, is that margin art is not detailed enough?

>>96143114
It'll be elf territory when Kuronthi graduate from underworlds.

>>96143125
Forgot pic

>>96143113
Nice copypasta

With reveal made I’m convinced Kharadron can easily take down the filthy Chorfs with their higher technological level. I was afraid they could be rivals with some sort of daemonsmith shenanigans but the sky pirates are still on the lead.

>>96143114
i really hope this never becomes nothing else than underworld or sylvaneth sidekick shit. we don’t need more elves in this game.

I took a nap and did other stuff so I didn't finish horse today. Good progress though, should be able to knock it out tomorrow evening.

>>96143127
My complaint is that such a titanic port is of no actual import in the setting. It could be destroyed and nothing else would change in the setting because nothing matters in age of sigmar because it isn’t an interconnected world it’s a corporate idea board masquerading as a setting.

>>96143155
Are you going to follow the official colour scheme for the rider?

>>96143164
Urbaz got destroyed, and its fleet is now a nomadic, what else do you need?

>>96143172
He needs a new AI generator I guess

>>96143172
And this changes the setting is what meaningful way?

>>96143114
There's people in this thread that don't acknowledge elven supremacy

>>96143180
You now has a large population of displaced and nomadic dwarves, which can be used as a motivation for characters?

>>96143199
maybe as port whores, and even thats a stretch

>>96143171
There is no official color scheme for a Living City Cavalier Marshall.

>>96143083 (OP)
I know this is thrown around a lot these days, but this image truly looks AI generated.

>>96143199
That "superior" bitch so inbred she got seven toes

>>96143222
I would say its the opposite, because you can see all the strokes

>>96143222
you must hate blanche

>>96143228
Modern Image Gens actually do a decent job of faking strokes and sketch lines. Their composition still sucks for Warhammer stuff though. Lots of random jagged lines and weird details since it fucks up and mixed 40k and AoS/Fantasy aesthetics so much.
>>96143238
Most of his stuff is pretty good, but he also had retarded scale/detail in some of his images.

>>96143242
>Modern Image Gens actually do a decent job
I mean, the Pubes slayer from the previous thread was golden, so i cannot disagree

>>96143218
I posted it right here >>96143171

It is true that the Celestant Prime is Karl Franz and if he is not, who else could he be?

>>96143259
No it is not, unnamed guy

>>96143199
We can only pity such "people".

>>96143259
When did he start wearing black armor?
And when is he getting a new, not fat and ugly model?

>>96143298
>fat and ugly
What a shame it is, for people like that to exist

>>96143113
> in a sea of nothing in the background.

also known as the sky. its a city in the clouds, the background is clouds.

>then a full paragraph of buzzword vomit

just leave. go back to wfg or whatever rock you crawled out from under and leave us in peace

>>96143113
Bait

>>96143298
Anon, your lore?

>>96143254
Living City is green, not red

>>96143113
Weird that this DEI checklist Blackrock shareholder method for corporate to sell whatever DOES indeed sell better than the stuff TWW fans keep claiming they want to buy. Very very strange.

What will be his endless spells and terrain?

>>96143340
>hogs consume slop
Wow!

>>96143340
I mean Rise of Skywalker made a lot more than Dune, you're not making a compelling argument senpai

>>96143356
But enough about TWW secondaries and their vidya...

>>96143358
And yet those were two different properties with different install bases, whereas these are both Warhammer. If anything AOS had to grow its audience from nothing, whereas TOW started with an edge, and yet TOW continues to fail at every hurdle that isn't chinkslop. Why is that, do you think?

>>96143342
Flying Bull dick

honestly the only thing worse than these trolls raids is the complete lack of moderation. kind of makes me think the janny is in on it.

What base size are the new Chorfs?

>>96143389
I think they might be on 32s. Dwarves are fucking chonky. Makes that one champion girl even cuter...

>Yes I still play WoW
>8000 points of Stormcast all unpainted
>3 unopened boxes of skaventide, purchased at full price.
>Helsmiths of Hashut™ look fun.

>>96143371
TOW is hamstrung by the ancient models, the more complex rules, and no easy entry point. Cathay is a hit because it's all nice new plastic kits, not a single 30 year old muddy mess in the range.

It was always going to be a more niche product, but only time will tell if GW will give it the support it needs to bring the range up to snuff with other miniatures on the market, and introduce a way for people who want to dip their toe to get a taste

>>96143389
characters are on 32s, regular infantry appear to be on 25s or maybe 28s

>>96143397
>kill wanderer's
>bring them back in tow
>no new models in said game
Fuck this company man. I dont even think the arcane journal was good when I peaked in morbid curiosity.

>>96143412
Wood Elves are pretty rough. Nice Battalion box but literally all your characters are metal and online only, except Araloth and he's shit anyway.

Not that anyway plays them anyway because "hope you like skirmishing!!" is more of a threat than a good time.

>>96143404
I think the chorfs are on 32s while the Hobgrots are 25 - 28.
Hard to tell though, could be wrong.

>>96143371
>AOS had to grow its audience from nothing
Absolutely false, they had rules for old WHFB models and story tie ins. Absolutely not from nothing

>>96143441
...on circles. People who still cared for fantasy still played fantasy battle because no one would want to rebase. Whether they bought into aos and kept their old fantasy collection is another argument , but once the game had actual rules no one would be found still running a square.

Slyvaneth bros would you rather Kurnothi get added to the book or get their own

>>96143457
With Chorfs AoS is back up to 24 battletomes. Realistically no one gets a new tome unless GW soups something else first.

>>96143457
Armies need subfactions, so yes, please give me elven stomachs in sylvaneth. Hopefully they dont revolve around the tress as much too, please...

>>96143457
kurnothi are part of sylvaneth regardless of anyone's wish for them
just as tyrion will be in lumineth
just as khainites are part of umbraneth
just as gitmobs will stay in gsg and kruleboys in warclans

Does anyone have the PDFs of the 4th edition that have been released so far?

real select posts getting deleted.

>>96143705
What did I miss?

>>96143705
This is what happens to all whom resist Morathi. She is inevitable.

>>96143718
I dunno my shitpost is still up.

>>96143761
truly, the most beloved of the trannies.

Anyone know of any stls for familiars or such that are fitting for demons? preferably not just nurgling knock offs.

>>96143259
Fucking adore this art.

>>96143342
Bull shrine and magic bull

>>96143259
Sigmar is Karl Franz according to End Times lore

>>96144033
Im gonna throw a fit if the endless spell actually has flesh in it

>>96143457
Separate army.

Surely GW dont plan on releasing the nighthaunt and flesh eater battletome before they release hellsmiths. Surely GW wont plan on dragging that release out.

>>96144197
This is where buying from the lowest bidder gets you

>>96144197
Mr. Beast(666) would totally be a Chaos servant

>>96143645
Give me a list of all battletomes that have been released so far in 4th edition. And then say which ones you need.

>>96143397
Those look better than most AoS models ngl I want some now

>>96143705
Wouldn't be getting deleted if it couldn't be interpreted as off topic

>>96144286
Trying too hard

>>96144292
They got that character that AoS models just seem to lack

>>96144242
He would just be the guy in charge of a silver tower

>>96144197
could be worse, he could have bought it from the beastmen

the skyport art remains goated but it just destroys AoS as a setting, it's completely anomalous

>>96144242
MrBull here today we're unleashing 100 "workers" into hobgrot infested woods and the lucky winners who escape will be getting a 2 minute shift break during their next workday

>>96144342
what do you want from it idiot, a fucking road sign, an eiffel tower in the background?

>>96144351
consistent scale and style. You can't have a booming Dwarf Coruscant and then goblins riding the same fucking wolves and firing the same fucking catapults they were using in the dark ages

>>96144342
nah, they only break the setting when you make pretty wild assumptions over their real extent and real capabilities

seraphon have much more bullshit behind their doors, but they don't break anything, because you understand just how isolated and situational they are either willingly or as a necessity

kharadrons run on a very limited resource that seems almost exclusive to chamon, while important and widespread they're not particularly numerous, and we have some pretty hard limits over what they can and cannot do and examples of other factions successfully striking them

they don't break the setting, they're one corner of it

>>96144333
>Tzeentch is making 100 blind people see for the 1st time!
>by spawning dozen new eyes in their asshole

>>96143457
I was chatting to a mate the day before the preview about the only thing I want for the army is a 5-man unit of light cav around the 150 point bracket, maybe tree revs on small beetles, and instead it looks like we're getting a unit of gay-ass centaur bambis so I guess I monkey-pawed that shit

>>96144342
i want the ship in the bottom right as a model so fucking bad

>>96144392
The day Aos needs to milk its godbeasts and either outsource them into abominable plushies or forgeworld minis is the best chance you will get to having that in physical form.

>>96144361
meh I'd prefer they didn't exist but the argument can be made its no different from the brits with machine guns fighting a horde of zulus with spears.

>>96143457
neither, I want a full range of wood elves added.

>>96144279
Well, I really only need the PDF of Slaves to Darkness 4th edition.

>>96144361
>You can't have a booming Dwarf Coruscant and then goblins riding the same fucking wolves and firing the same fucking catapults they were using in the dark ages
Why not? Happens in real life.

>>96144418
this is exactly what its like in west papua, literal tribesmen with spears and rusted weapons vs the indonesian military backed by mining oligarchs who want them cleansed off their land

>>96144411
>Slaves to Darkness 4th edition.
rapidshare.io/F1g/Held_captive_by_evil_forces_(4E).pdf

>>96143083 (OP)
>TQ
KO got exactly the type of unit I wanted them to, but they look bad in my opinion.
Votann got a bunch of stuff, which is awesome for them, but they really only got two things they needed; 5 man transports and artillery. Happy the got more hover tech, but I wish they got mechs.
And finally the HoH release is my favorite Warhammer release in years. I am one of the seemingly few that just absolutely loves them.
>>96143342
Seem like we don't get any this edition. Which is fine by me, I hate faction terrain for anything that isn't Sylvaneth.
If I was going to pick I would give HoH not a drop-pod but a giant "drill"-pod, that can burrow up in the middle or enemy's side to deploy some slow ass dwarfs there.

>>96144496
>deploy some slow ass dwarfs there.
Oh god I forgot that’s how dwarves normally play too. I planned on getting the centaurs anyways…

>>96143083 (OP)
Soon

>>96143083 (OP)
>TQ
More Dawi trains

>>96144510
Regular dwarfs were so boring to play in whfb it's what originally got me into trying Chorfs.
AoS is fundamentally different with it's skirmishing and objective focused play, and at least they are movement 4 here...
But it seems like Chorfs are being made to be a counter-punch army. Though they still need to score on the enemy's half in AoS so I think something like a drill pod or the centaurs will be crucial.

>>96144480
Thanks kid, I appreciate it now to wait for the latest ones from the 4th edition to be available (K.O, Idoneth, Khorne and Chorfs of Chaos)

I think about this guy sometimes.

>>96144711
how was the sex?

>>96144731
Hes into somnophilia

>>96144480
nta, but do you have soulblight battletome?

>>96144711
Might buy him for Warcry

>>96144752
so I guess you don't remember.

>>96144813
https://files.catbox.moe/rf1m6i.pdf

>>96144813
>soulblight battletome?
>>96137222

nurgle kitchen

>>96144882
>>96144885
thank you sirs

>>96144882
Bro, you must have faked the link, they're going to delete it right away.

Space elven gods in trouble. Any solutions?

>>96144964
>there's as many Eldar as the plot demands
Wow was that so hard?

>>96144964
whoever made this should be stoned

>>96144362
This is all otherwise true and real, but aethergold is pretty widespread in the realms, it’s why the major skyports have outposts in all the realms and a bunch of smaller skyports migrated out of chamon to stake claims on it (because the biggest/easiest veins in chamon are claimed by the big ones already)

>>96143433
>Nice Battalion box but literally all your characters are metal
Get the plastic high elf hero duel sets and kit bash, problem solved. You're going to have a bunch of leftover bits from all the WE plastic kits any ways

Can someone give me a Tier List of the AoS factions?

>>96145059
The other underlying and much worrying and interesting plot hook is that they're looking for aether gold out of chamon because the godfart in chamon is already running out, setting up an ultimatum for the kharadron race and their current peak status, which is actually suggested out in one tome, but dismissed as absurd by drons in setting, I'm relatively sure.

>>96145068
Tiered by what cryterion?

>>96145068
A tier list of what metric? Number of monster girls?

>>96145092
From "my fetish" to "slop".

>>96145092
A Tier List of power, which is the most powerful and which is the least powerful according to the lore and the competitive

>>96145168
My favorite > your favorite.

>>96145168
my faction>The rest of loser factions
Simple as.

>>96145168
Example:
1. Lore. The strongest are the Stormcasts, because they're the protagonists and have the story on their side. The weakest are the Chaos Beasts, because they were completely eliminated. They literally arrived in one edition and left in the next. What losers.
2. Competitive.
I don't know, I haven't played it yet.

>>96145068
yeah alright

S: Sylvaneth, Seraphon, Flesh-Eaters, Maggotkin, Gloomspite
A: Cities, Daughters, Kharadron, Lumineth, Soulblight, Hedonites, Slaves to Darkness
B: Stormcast, Deepkin, Nighthaunt, Ossiarch, Khorne, Skaven, Orruks
C: Tzeentch, Ogors, Sons of Behemat
D: Fyreslayers

>Barak-Thryng is renowned for its adherence to tradition. This sky-port continues to pay devout homage to the pantheon of duardin ancestors with great statues and temples. Whilst Barak-Thryng was once the least wealthy of the sky-ports due to its strict adherence to safe and Code-approved mining methods, its innate caution has been proved sensible in the hour of the Vermindoom. Barak-Thryng may never reach the greatest heights of profit, but neither will its economy be shattered by reckless ambition.

>Barak-Thryng's voice has become louder at the table of the Geldraad as of late. Their detractors claim they show a certain gruff satisfaction at watching what they have long considered extraneous and overzealous amendments to the Code be shorn away under the demands of the hour. They consider the destabilisation caused by Barak-Urbaz's fall to have vindicated their worldview entirely. Barak-Thryng is currently driving efforts to restore the Code's efficacy and has even proposed rolling it back to a more stable edition.

I told you dawgs. Invest in ThryngCoin. To the moon it goes. You should have listened.

>>96145256
Assuming the image of the horny elf, your tier list must be one of the most sensual factions in AoS, isn't it?

>>96145269
Greed is expensive and if you are a Steampunk Chorf it is even more so.

If i wanted to make big booms with some skaven artillery and ratling guns, are clanrats my only way to protect my guns from getting charged? are stormvermin or rat ogres viable to tie my opponent up in melee?


>>96145256
is this in terms of power? cause I heard maggotkin are too slow and elite in a meta that favors speed and board control

>>96145371
>>96145423
It's in terms of quality. DoK would be S but they were knocked down one tier because their range is too small and has those shitty horsemen

>>96145256
S: Ironjawz
F: The rest

>>96145423
Pretty much, the bell is pretty tanky and you have plague monks.

>bought some cheap NH to get started with blending stuff
>actually scared to go thru with it since I know I'll fuck it up
I know you can't make a ghost without cracking a few bones, but I feel bad for the lil guy

>>96145371
>most sensual factions
>S: Seraphon/Gloomspite
Anon.............

I take it there will be no model reveal today.

>>96145479
Do they even have anything left to reveal? If anything they'll just go into details on one of the models they just revealed on Friday.

>>96145479
I mean, we just got one of their biggest reveal streams in ages, so yeah probably not. What I really want to see next is roadmap updates, but we might not see those until Nova.

>>96145473
Remember that no matter how hard you fuck up, you can always throw them in alcohol and start again

>>96145168
The two are totally separate, the strongest factions in the lore aren't necessarily going to be strong on the actual table.

Lorewise I would say your S-tier is like Stormcast, NAGASH (but probably Ossiarchs if you have to nail it to a single faction), Slaves to Darkness, Skaven, maybe Ironjawz. Then your A-tier of can fuck with the setting but probably couldn't take on many of the other factions at once is most of the others honestly: Soulblight, Cities of Sigmar, all the god-specific Chaos factions, Sylvaneth, DoK, Gloomspite Gitz, etc. The only factions in B-tier are probably Fyreslayers (strictly a mercenary faction), maybe Nighthaunt (never seem to do very much but I don't know their lore). Lumineth might make S-tier in the lore desu.

>>96145479
The reaction to the helsmiths of hashut was so negative today they'll be revealing they're just re-releasing the 1992 metal chaos dwarf models for the entire army instead.

>>96145461
Dude even in their own BT Ironjawz aren't the strongest

>>96145497
Oh I forgot about Seraphon. Probably also S-tier.

>>96145510
S-tier in my heart

How comparable in size are Treelords and Mancrusher Gargants? Could you get away with running a Treelord as a Gargant?

>>96145473
ngl goblins is a pretty solid tag

>>96145562
Treelords are a little bigger, if anything.

>>96145505
Step outside of your bubble once in a while. Or your own head. Delusional.

>>96145168
>>96145209
I don't play competitive anything but picrel are the winrates from recent tournaments. Poor idoneth. Also what happened with kruleboyz I thought they were always a shit army ?

In terms of fluff as always it depends entirely on the writer. I would say that stormcast are actually pretty big jobbers since they can be killed without affecting the status quo too much. I mean hell the prototypical stormcast is currently in their equivalent of an insane asylum since khul dunked on him and his other named stormie friend.

>>96145594
>I mean hell the prototypical stormcast is currently in their equivalent of an insane asylum since khul dunked on him and his other named stormie friend.
He was in a loon bin after Archaon stabbed him with his 1000 demons sword and perma damaged his soul, but was actually out for good behaviour to fight Khul, who failed to get him

>>96145594
kb got cheap, good SoG rules, terrain and spells helped them.

>>96145505
Backed by data from the biggest Chorf community on the internet, 2/3s of them liked or loved the release.
On the internet in general the reception is way more positive than negative too.
You've been influenced by the loud minority that really hate them, and on here we've got hate raids during every release.

>>96145564

>>96145495
That's true, but having to having to repeatedly stare at one's very own fuckups is never great for motivation
Hardest part of the hobby for me

>>96145669
>the biggest chorf community on the internet
Wuh ? Do chorfs have their own forum like lustria online for lizards or what are you talking about here ?

>>96145594
desu it boggles my mind there's still people playing or following the competitive scene. This game is literally the worst of both worlds, the flavor and balance of the game is worse than 3e. Tossing away all the fun battle traits and command abilities for what?

>>96145571
>>96145669
It was sarcasm bruhs

Are Morghasts sentient?

They're the only bone construct that was active pre-Necroquake, so they don't have the fancy compound souls of other Ossarchs, but is there any light upstairs or are they just following necromancer's orders?

>>96145722
nta but yeah called Chaos Dwarfs Online

Why do the new chorfs have no chaos arrows on em? They are surprisingly un-spiky

>>96145669
why the fuck can't I figure out how to like them too

>>96145915
They don't consider themselves servants of the Chaos Gods.

>>96145723
it boggles your mind because you have a 2 dimensional myopic world view that only considers your own stupid opinions.

>>96145919
isn't this the kind of thing that people usually mock about chaos factions

>>96145937
well both conclusions are empirical and objective

but keep consoomin and bury your head in the sand

>>96145974
of course you double down, fool.

>>96145970
Nonsense, Helsmiths aren't chaos, simple as that. They simply use Daemon's of the pathetic chaos gods as fuel for their engines of war so they can expand their dominion in service to their mighty ancestor god Hashtut. They are the true dwarfs, paragons of order, not like their wretched mercenary cousins that have strayed from the path.

>>96145733
Good shit
>>96145899
>chaos dwarf online
Antliclimatic name, thanks for the reference. Took a look at their poll and it was basically :
-24% loves it
-39% thinks it was okay
-23% thinks it was prety bad
-15% thinks it was just bad
So mixed but leaning heavily towards positive. Honestly bit surprised since I thought actual chorf fans would be more inclined to dislike it since it's still a decent departure from what we're used to seeing. Good for them though.
>>96145669
This board (and especially this thread) is terrible for discussing anything new for aos since no matter what you'll have a bunch of trolls shitting up the thread. On the flipside this also makes longtime posters think any criticism is just tards looking to shit up the thread.

However when looking at other discussions around the internet it's clear that what was shown is not what some people wanted/expected, even though the reaction still leans towards positive I'd sat.

The question then becomes: are the people complaining that it's not what they like the same people that would actually buy them, if they DID look like classic chorfs ? That's the only thing gw gives a shit about in the end anyway.

>>96146008
>are the people complaining that it's not what they like the same people that would actually buy them,
I bought a bunch of hobgrots and horns of hashut in anticipation but I ended up really not liking this reveal
> if they DID look like classic chorfs ?
I wanted them to look like the horns of hashut

>>96146032
>I bought a bunch of hobgrots in anticipation
Anon no offense but what the fuck were you thinking getting them before the reveal
>I wanted them to look like the horns of hashut
Fair, play I like those guys a lot but I'm not sure I would want normal chorfs to have the same look.
Looking back it's pretty funny how the main fear here was that they would look too much like the Horns instead of the classic style.

>>96146008
That poll breakdown seems about right for what I've seen in other online communities.

Personally I never really had strong feelings about Chorfs other than not like the Azgorth models but I kinda do actually like the new models and lore. I might pick up the armybox just so I can chill out, build a few chorfs and read all the new lore. Not committing to doing a full army though.

>>96146087
>Anon no offense but what the fuck were you thinking getting them before the reveal
Fears of the starter box ebay discount deteriorating over time like it tends to
And as for the Horns I was afraid I wouldn't be able to buy them at all after the Warcry squatting if I didn't act fast

>>96143114
They should stop pushing furries and double down on arthropods.

>>96145916
I genuinely have so much sympathy for you. Waited for more Chorfs since 2010-11 ish, and I was so fucking scared after seeing what they did to LRL for example.
It's a fucking miracle that they've made something I love. Fyreslayers and KO both have good lore, but I'm just so sour on their aesthetics.
One point I see being brought up in several places is that people are sad their chaos iconography is gone, with them now "just looking like evil Dwarfs".
That change is sort of baked into their identity now, as they view themselves as a culture who overcame the age of chaos by conquering it and using it as fuel for their society.
They are now bringers of (a ruinous and tyrannical) order, through chaos.
It's undeniable that they are thoroughly corrupted, despite the classical chaos faction delusion that "they are just using it, not the other way around".
I quite like that they are chaos aligned ancestor god worshipers. It makes sense to me that they are damning their souls to ruin compared to most of chaos.
>>96146008
>The question then becomes
I think this is neigh impossible to answer. One criticism I see is that their noses aren't big enough, but they are just as big as during the forgeworld release.
he big noses from the classic minis was there for the regular Dwarfs too, but it's was gone from their designs during 5th ed when the Chorfs didn't get any new miniatures.
So some of the complaints are from people who wouldn't have been happy with any modern rendition I think.
>>96146032
>I wanted them to look like the horns of hashut
Not to be an asshole, but I am so happy you didn't get your wish. I hate those.

>>96145831
>Are Morghasts sentient?
Yes
nagash had enough mindless puppets and had enough treacherous puppets, but when killing the angels of the nehekaran gods he had the opportunity to make them into intelligent independent loyal servants and took it

>>96145669
>consumers say they like new product on advertisement communities
woah

>>96146203
As opposed to the people who aren't part of the hobby? Who cares then.
The general reception in the Warhammer community is positive, thus any potential new customers are likely to like it too.

Unpopular but certain opinion: Soup is a mistake that kills interesting and awesome army concepts and let them rot lost forever in big books that never give them attention again.

>>96146275
That’s not unpopular. Soup is a compromise, never the ideal solution. He’ll, look at CoS. You could split them in 2 factions and they would still be soupy.

>>96146167
>hates lumineth
>loves chaos dwarfs
What the fug

>>96146275
unpopular? i read you faggots everyday "X should get a book" "Y should get a book" what no one of you actually thought is we have a lot of armies already struggling with so little kits they can't barely be considered real armies you really want to add more pseudo-army projects into this mess?

>>96145831
All ossiarchs are sentient. Even the Mortek Guard. The mindless chaff get sent to the deathrattle.

It's July 2025 and there is still no Clan Pestilens RoR that Maggotkin can take

>>96146275
>>96146309
Anon no one really "likes" soup but it's seen as somewhat of a necessity. Sure yeah some people may want kurnothi to be their own fully fleshed out faction but I think most realize that this isn't really realistic, unless we just want 50 armies in the game with one infantry option each. We're at 24 factions and as far as new releases go it's nothing but pity heroes for 90% of those, they gotta chill and flesh out the more anemic factions before even thinking about making yet another army out of some obscure subfaction. except vampire coast of course, they should come to the game immediately

>>96146275
>Wrong way to do it
We need to split more factions
>Right way to do it
We need more regiment/armies of renown to give attention to subfactions

>>96146316
With one exception. I love how the Vanari Dawnriders look.
Everything else in Lumineth is either a colossal downgrade (Swordmasters) or generally stupid looking compared to high elves. I have seen good conversions for some of the units, but it can't save the range as a whole. Pic related.
But yes, new Chorfs is probably my favorite AoS release all together.
>>96146275
I think this is by far the popular opinion. Darkoath, and above all Gitmob sound have been their own thing.
Not to mention Orruk Warclans.
The only exception where I think it works is Deathrattle in SBGL

>>96146377
I never though vampire coast fit WFB very well, but idk if they would fit in AoS either.

>>96146377
>Spoiler
Hell no. They are stupid.

>>96146417
The only realm where they could probably have any relevancy would be ulgu, unless they start getting ships like khadrons.

>>96146275
I think this anon is right>>96146377
But at the same time i can't consent a book that has Orruks alongisde Krule or Moon goblins and Sun goblins together. Feels like ass.

>>96146377
The only way Vampire Coast is going to be incorporated into AoS is by being a part of SBGL.

>>96146377
You really want /v/ermin and ToW fags crying here months that Vampirates are not the thing they should be and how they look "Warcraft"-like? For real anon?

>>96146443
Maybe gitmob would work better if they had some guys on foot to blend the gap between crazy cave gits and crazy wolf riding sun gits a bit better, as it stands they really have such vastly different aesthetics that it's pretty hard to get them to look cohesive together.
They managed to somehow make the fluff actually pretty interesting but the models just don't gel with the rest of the range (imo)

Soup books wouldn't be so bad if they actually bothered to flesh out enhancement options and go back to letting minifactions have their own choices

>>96146467
>Maybe gitmob would work better if they had some guys on foot to blend the gap between crazy cave gits and crazy wolf riding sun gits a bit better
A-anon...

>>96146453
Literally no matter what happens they will be here crying for months. New releases, no releases, re-releases, etc.

>>96146448
Could also be human auxiliaries of the IDK. Would need some retconning but it’s probably the best solution.

>>96146443
I stand my ground that Gitmob should be in the same book with Kruleboyz, look at that chariot, its literally the same thing they put on Marshcrawla

>Mid-Thread Secondary Thread Question (MTSTQ) :
To prepare for the inevitable release of the Drogrukh Horde, Swarm of the Silent Ones, and the Armada of the Abyss , GW has tasked (you) with bringing the current faction roster from 24 down to 21. Which factions do you soup together and why.

Hardmode : no squatting

>>96146548
Would anyone actually be mad if they souped SoB and Mawtribes

>>96146548
The easiest way to do so, is to soup all the chaos factions with STD

>>96146567
As llong as theres still an option to play SoB only? Doubt that

>>96146275
counterpoint: undead, chaos, greenskins and skaven were great SPECIFICALLY because each of them explored multiple different aspects of their faction instead of focusing on only one in a monomaniacal way

>>96146548
regulate them to underworlds and warcry only. Some things dont need to be a full army, keeping exclusive stuff in side games would make them more interesting.

>>96146548
NH & SBGL because they share a terrain box, and some vampires have been lamenting not being bale to use spooks.
Mawtribes and Behemat because they're both factions of overgrown ugly alcoholics.
SCE and CoS, fuck you I'm not souping dwarfs.

>>96146548
I don't advocate for it, but following the conceit of your post: mawtribes + sons of b and idoneth + lumineth seem the most "no-brainer" to me, with the last pairing being a little more difficult. Maybe stormcast + cities, ossiarch + nighthaunt, or gitz + warclans. Alternatively, the four (main) chaos god armies into one mega-book could be another solution.

>>96146548
>Fyreslayers
Bye bye nothing of value was lost into the Cities you go
>SoB
Bye bye come on, really someone thought they should have a book? To the Ogres
>IDK
Is this really surprising? They clearly don't know what they wanna do with this army just merge them with Lumineth.

Done. No pain and only wins.

>>96146617
Souping the elves would have been my answer too.

>>96146567
I would. Hate ogors and love gargants.
>>96146587
You know that would never happen.
>>96146548
Soup KO with Fyreslayers. Khorne as an independent faction is just boring so I would say soup them with StD but it would break the “4 chaos gods” pattern.

>>96146630
It'd make more sense to pair idk with dok than anything else.
Also really curious about the general state of elves rn in the setting, Slaanesh is probably gonna get free and I really see the dynamics that plays with other factions. IDK especially, they'd probably be the most traumatized of all. IDK how sylvaneth reacts to slaanesh, probably too busy with nurgle to even care.

>>96146655
why do you feel idk + dok is the better elf pairing? seems to me "element elves" together makes more sense, and im interested in your thinking

>>96146655
>IDK how sylvaneth reacts to slaanesh
Don't realy care because they aren't elves. Nurgle is their main enemy

>>96146672
Both are evil ekves and conive together in lore.
Only lore about Deepkin + Sylvaneth interaction was a cool fight scene where treelords marched along a sea bed

>>96146672
Not the same anon, but visually, weapons and armor of IDK fits much more with DoK than with Lumineth, also IDk can easily be rebranded as "shadow elves" and just take place of the umbraneth

>>96146672
I just think they might desperate enough to get under morathis fold.
Also greek elves + fallen Atlantis elves seems more like a mix rather than with Chinese elves.

>>96146548
ogres and giants together
vamps and ghouls together
kharas and slayers together
stormies and cities together
drcucks and beeple together
abholon and fishelfs together
reshuffle mobs with jaws and krules with moons

>>96146766
>reshuffle mobs with jaws and krules with moons
Should be the opposite, Gits with kruels, and Moons with jaws

>>96146275
Eh, I still stick with 2e and 3e because I like the original tone of CoS. Legions of Nagash was great too, shame they overcompensated the vampire integration into Soulblight at expanse of the skelekings. Maybe one day Arkhan will be back in his rightful home.

>>96146630
Idk and loomies in the same army is kind of a no-go from a fluff perspective, no way idoneth want to share a faction with teclis. They'd have to pull some ynnari bullshit out of their ass (actually maybe cool thinking about it)

>>96146852
>They'd have to pull some ynnari bullshit out of their ass
Tyrion as the grand unifier of aelvenkind.

>>96146794
No, gorkers with gorkers and morkers with morkers

if you want the absolutely more correct configuration rather than this compromise you have to let me package all armies into 7 books

>>96146852
>They'd have to pull some ynnari bullshit
No, all elves are already way more united under a common goal than the eldar in 40k.

>>96145831
They are but they're the slowest of the Ossiarch "infantry". Soulbound book makes mention of how they're mentally more simplistic to the point they can be manipulated into subverting Nagash's Will praise be his name.

>>96146880
*Malerion
Shadow aelves soon

>>96146889
I mean sure they're all order aligned but the foundational myth of the idoneth race is them getting fucked over by teclis, I don't see them working together much unless some narrative mcguffin demands it. Admittedly I know even less about how daughters and sylvaneth come into play

I need external opinions about what color you think would be best for the hair and the orses of my NH, as I'm drawing a blank. I fear orange would make them too busy, and purple would not go well as hair.
Also, what color to do the horses if the ghost riding it is the same green-to-ble gradiant ? Blue or green would be redudant imo. Tbf I fear I put myself in a corner with this scheme, but I don't want to paint my 60 chainrasps again
Any ideas appreciated

>>96146595
warcry really was a great testing ground for stuff that shouldn't be a full army (at least at first) but still deserve a bit of exploration. Apparently they mentioned it at the chorf stream so it may not be totally dead in the water ?
>>96146766
>drcucks
>beeple
>abholon
I genuinely don't know what you mean by any of these terms

All the people asking for my chads to be souped, kindly FUCK YOU.
They should be expanded, years waiting for them to become a real army and now you want them souped? Suck a dick.

>>96146944
Abholons are a shapeshifter race that are underwater nemesis of Deepkin.
No idea who the others are

>>96146944
>Apparently they mentioned it at the chorf stream so it may not be totally dead in the water ?
They mentioned out of nowhere that Chorfs would get rules to play them in Warcry. It was so random that it feels like a forced shoutout to reassure people the game isn't actually dead.

>>96146949
You’re gonna get souped with cities duardin. Someone post that gif of the walking din.

>>96146949
No one cared before, why you care now? Just accept your fate.

>>96146167
>classic chaos delusion that they are just using it, not the other way around
we got another one folks!

>>96147094
Kek, yes pretty much.
Except these guys truly venerate Hashut, they just see him as their ancestor god and not a chaos deity.
It's their arrogance towards using chaotic energies and magic where they are truly delusional.

>>96146927
>unless some narrative mcguffin demands it.
as in a solution to their problem in progress

>>96146944
drogrukhs are kragnos's race
silent people are waspmen
abholon are aos' name for fishmen

>>96146949
The only fyreslayers player in the website has arrived
>>96147117
Which means that Hashut is probably an egregore propped up by the chaos gods.

>>96147245
Apparently he's an ancestor god! This was leaked in the new WD, and they briefly touched on it in the reveal stream.
He's described as an ascended god or whatever the term they use for Sigmar's pantheon was. Vs elemental gods which is what they refer to Gorkamorka and the 5 chaos gods as being.
Ascended the same thing they call Grugni and Grimnir, and like them he inherited his own realm in the form of Ghur (which he took as an insult).
Him being an ancestor god was something speculated by fans since the 90's, but it seemed more like he was just a corrupting minor chaos deity.
Now he's basically a ""fallen"" god, corrupted into chaos it seems. He taught the Chorfs helsmithing.

>>96147294
It sounded like the classic "present for a relative but you've not seen them since they were 8" situation.
>Hashut? Who? ... Oh yeah. Isn't he really into... cows, or something? Give him the beasts. He'll love it.

I liked it more when it was implied that Hashut was some kind of renegade daemon or aspect of Khorne that was more okay with magic

>>96147294
>>96147352
Ig we won't really know until we get the battletome but how does this hashut relate then to the whfb version of hashut ? Why did he wake up with the rest of the ancestor gods and not with te coming of chaos, and why did they trust him at all even if just to tardwrangle ghur ?
I'm guessing they're going to have to make pretty liberal use of retcons.

>>96147390
Hashut's Khorne issue is undermining his whole reason to exist and i hope GW differenciates them enough to justify both being around

>>96147352
That's exactly what it seems like, kek.
His association with bulls spawned him in the worst shithole of the mortal realms as it's "incarnate" god.

>>96144033
I wonder if you can kit bash that endless spell head on to the taurus daemon.

>>96147352
it was more of a duty than a gift
>you have to tame ghur

>>96147405
Maybe. I just like it when there's a nebulous and unconfirmed connection between different factions' deities, like Khaine and Khorne and whatever's going on with Clan Pestilens and Nurgle. It's like how IRL religions intersect.

>>96147400
I think it's supposed to be the one and the same Hashut.
Definitely doesn't seem like they trusted him, and I don't think Grimnir chose to be the god of Aqshy or Grugni the god of Chamon. We know he was never part of Sigmar's pantheon at least.
But this lines up with this mysterious "quarrel" that Grugni and Grimnir supposedly had before they were captured by the chaos gods and freed by Sigmar.
We know Grimnir and Grugni had some disagreement to a point where they weren't really on speaking terms.
It was weird that they kept this secret, but it might relate to Hashut?

>>96147433
>and whatever's going on with Clan Pestilens and Nurgle.
they pretty much made everything about the origins of pestilence explicit in wfrp

>>96147433
>whatever's going on with Clan Pestilens and Nurgle
1e was rather open about this, given Plague Monk were basialy Nurgle Blood Revers according to the keywords

>>96146812
>his rightful home
???

Didn't he only show up during end times as part of an undead coalition?

He doesn't really belong with vamps at all. Maybe if Tomb Kings were in AoS but that's about it.

That being said, I'd like it if he was like a mini nagash that could fit into any army without being tied to an RoR.

are avatars for named characters a thing? Like, is there some elf cosplaying as Alarielle out there? Or can Sigmar just posses someone if he needs to again.

>>96147444
Iirc the first time we see the dwarf gods is when they're randomly chained up during the age of myth, and it's never really explained right ? Like you said that's probably connected to hashut in some way then.

>>96147400
I'm juggling with these possibilities myself:
>hashut was never (and still isn't) as chaos/evil as we thought all along, the dawi zharr of zharr naggrund in the old world were extremists of his cult and not representatives of the truest form of his cult
>the first dawi zharr who first found and listened to hashut were just as ambigously "cruel but ordered" as the zharrdron of aos and not truly corrupted just like the dark elves are not truly corrupted
>the ancestor gods, including hashut, tried to put the past behind and reconciliate back in the age of myth, akin to how sigmar made alliances with gorkamorka and nagash

>>96147488
See that's the thing: I enjoyed death the most when it was an undead coalition and not the sudden pivot to being vampire counts 2.0. That's why I specifically said Legions of Nagash, when skeletons were bread and butter and Arkhan was in charge. I did find integrating vampires into Legions, rather than being weird subfaction, as a fantastic idea... except that this was done at expanse of the skeletons when both could've been perfectly balanced. It's was just straight up mean to completely neuter necromancers and skeleton generals the way GW have. Granted it's a GW game, so not unexpected.

Trying to think up what I can use as tokens for Intercept and Recover as well as Waaagh! tokens for the Megaboss. Eyeing squigs for IaR, maybe some large beast skulls for Waaagh! tokens?

>>96147430
That's kind of badass.
Seems to be an interpretation of what he tried to do at least, since he's all about subjugating the realms.
>>96147524
Yes, that's the starting point. Maybe they went to Hashut to re-establish their pantheon, and he double-crossed them out of rage and jealousy.
Maybe that's why they were quarreling
>Told you we never should have trusted him!
>Shut up!
>*Rattling chains sfx*
>>96147544
I don't think he was ever reformed myself.

>>96147516
All Nagash models are just avatars of Nagash

>>96147444
>before they were captured by the chaos gods
it was long before the chaos gods
>‘More than one dark legend has it that Grungni forged the chains that bound himself and his brother, though no Duardin living can say why.’
>Yjurgen, Battlesmith of Vostarg Lodge.
Note that the great betrayal involves the "hundredfold" ancestor gods, but only grimnir and grugni were chained

>We had a sister, Grimnir and I. Aye, and more than one. Brothers too. Sons and... and wives.
>Grungni to Owain Volker.
the use of the past tense implies those other ancestral brothers, sisters and children got lost
we know valaya is literally lost, and has to be found, we know gazul was eaten by nagash

if I had to try and draw a story, I'd say hashut is the firstborn son of gazul, that while disgruntled with the task of taming ghur he nonetheless took the assignment, perhaps as a show of good will for the reunion with the other ancestor gods and his father in particular, who was likely fundamental in putting a good word to convince the other gods to let him back.
Then I'd say that gazul was assigned shyish but that when nagash took control of that realm he devoured gazul, this act would have made hashut extremely angry with the other gods because I can easily imagine they would have let this affront slide and not go after nagash with a vengeance, for this reason hashut would go on a rampage against the ancestor gods
I don't think hashut was the one to tie the ancestor gods to the mountain, if anything he might have killed them outright, instead perhaps it was valaya who might have had the wits to chain her husbands by taking advantage of grimnir's tiredness and grugni's own tools, all so they would not try to after hashut and complicate things further, since I'd imagine valaya might be the kind of person to try and resolve things with words
except she obviously didn't manage to do that, hashut either killed or scattered to the realms the minor gods, and thus we get the status quo

>>96147576
speech bubbles
>OI! GET EM!
>MOB UP BOYS!
>WAAAAAAGH!!!

>>96147751
that is fitting. I was just contemplating propaganda posters, although I dont think Jawz can write.

>>96147751
I'm ripping this off
I love it

>>96146812
Gw baited me into starting death with legions of nagash, then bought into soul wars and got ass fucked by their retarded unit sizes, then got creampied when nighthaunt got expanded and removed from legions. Was sold on legions by the redshirt as "you can run ghosts and skeletons and ghouls and vampires and zombies all together!" And then got baited into soul wars "its a whole army of ghosts you can take with your legions army anon!". I still like the models, but it made me set them down until this year because I had this strange pile of unusable shit.

Are Ogors going to ToW? Or are they actually going to support them with actual releases at some point. No the gorgers and 2 hero's in a decade do not count as actual support.

>>96147891
Who cares.

>>96147818
I'm still not sold on SBGL, they still feel like the worst death faction out of all of them.

Also shit, didn't know they gave warnings on this website.

>>96147899
I do that's why I asked. You rude faggot.

>>96147818
>>96147572

I gotcha now, and I agree to a point. I would like a Legion of nagash book similar to what we had with Legions of the First Prince, where you could take Nagash or Arkhan as a leader and play with a select pool of undead (ideally any and all of them but that might be too large of a pool to ensure that all of them have play).

I don't think this is too much of a stretch considering space marines and their 800 chapters, but then again they can't even be bothered to keep combined demons a consistent idea between both games. The best we could hope for is a white dwarf army or an AoR.

>>96147891
I think that if they were going to squat Mawtribes they would have done it with BoC and Bonesplitterz. Ogres are not core in TOW as well.
>>96147899
I do! I don't even play them; I just really wanna see a proper Maneaters kit that any army can use as a RoR.

>>96147891
We don't really know, closest thing from a rumourmonger is whitefang junior simply saying he hadn't heard anything of the sorts. Other than that there's nothing really reliable to go off on. They got a new spearhead which might point to them staying, but then again beasts got a vanguard box at the end of 3rd and here we are. There'a people speculating that they'll get a refresh in this edition or the next, but that's also just wishlisting.

Tl;dr no idea, nothing really points towards them going though.

>>96147751
stuff that breaks the immersion of the table a bit less
>footprints on the ground that represent models walking towards the unit to reinforce it
>a crude set of pebbles and arrows drawn in the sand to represent the unit planning the interception
>cracked earth with fissures, to represent the realm quaking at the loudness of the waaaghcry

Am newfag but I like the kewl minis and wanna collect those, without particularly caring about where they come from/how they're meant to be used
Is my understanding correct:
>AoS is the main game, with large and somewhat expensive mono-faction armies that beat the shit out of each other
>Warcry is a smaller scale skirmish, with its own unique (relatively cheap) models, mostly of named characters
>Underworld is also a smaller scale skirmish, but the minis come with their own cards and thingamajigs which makes them comparatively more expensive
Are there any more sub-brands I should be aware of?

>>96147994
Warcry has no named characters, besides the underworlds guys

wild they can shit out a new space marine captain for the store anniversary but can't publish any articles for AoS 10th

>>96148025
That space marine captain will outsell the entire AoS range this month.

>>96147994
AoS related, no, besides the boardgames, but we havent had one of those in a while (since cursed city i think)

>>96148000
I meant more along the lines of
most of their minis seem to consist of singular, somewhat unique units rather than "angry dude (with sword)(in slightly different poses) x20"

>>96148048
Based, it's kinda hard getting a comprehensive view of the whole thing since everything's splintered on the official website as well

>>96148059
You are mixing up Warcry and Killteam

>>96148083
how is he confusing the two

>>96147710
Some of this I remember hearing about, but not reading. Is this Chronicles of the Wanderer stuff?
I think Nagash was supposedly bound by the chaos gods too, before the age of myth was in full swing. So I was sure that was the case with the ancestor gods too.

>>96147994
>>96148000
It's underworlds that has the little warbands of characters with names, not warcry. Picrel is one of the kharadron overlords guys.

Overall you're basically correct, though I would also add spearhead which is pretty popular. It's between warcry and age of sigmar proper in scale, but unlike most skirmish spinoffs it plays basically the same as normal aos, just with a few twists and changes to keep it balanced at a comparatively small scale. It's meant to be the intro to aos (or a new faction), and as such you don't really tailor your list, you're essentially playing with a premade army composition. Some factions have two spearheads to choose from, and eventually that's the goal for everyone. It's pretty popular.

>>96148107
I really wish spearhead incorporates some narrative element, something beyond the twists.

>>96148092
because Killteams are most of the time made up of just specialists, while Warcry have 1-3 specialist dudes and the rest generic goobers

>>96148059
>>96148107
Whoops, forgot the actual pic.
And yeah, warcry characters mostly have their own little special role within the warband.

>>96148025
And still i know a lot of people so tired of the Marine pampering that they are considering leave 40k.

>>96147994
Nah that's it for aos. You can also check out cursed city if you like all the minis, they've released I think all of them separately from the board game at this point.

>>96148151
They sadly stopped making the non-hero ones

>>96148141
I really dont see it. Even if we're ignorning compendium rules, and the monsters (both warcry, and generic ones) for warcry.

>>96147994
In terms of modeling
>aos
Single models tend to be slightly less than a box of multiple guys, come in units of multiple models, most amount of optional parts.
>warcry
Usually 7-10 dudes. Around the price of an aos unit. Some optional parts but not many.
>underworlds
Usually 3-7 dudes. Slightly less than the price of an aos unit, no optional parts

>>96148181
>ignorning compendium rules
which is what 90% of people play,
And even if you look at bespoke warbands, its always 1 leader, 2-3 specialist guys, maybe a big guy and the rest are basic goobers

>>96148107
>little warbands of characters with names, not warcry
I understand the difference now, thank you
Something like picrel kinda misled me since they seemed to be completely separate from the "regular army AoS boxes" and the variety in equipment/poses led me to believe they were all unique dudes
I'm kinda upset I hadn't found out about AoS sooner honestly, some of these sculpts are really fucking pretty

>>96148151
Honestly some of these are pretty fugging cool, and they seem relatively common on the second hand market as well
Thanks for the tip anon

>>96148223
Yep, kinda fits with my overall impression
Honestly Warcry seems to be the better deal in terms of getting groups of cool dudes, especially since their price isn't quite as inflated by some of the fluff that comes with UWorlds warbands

>>96143093
Cool conversion?

>>96148311
i was actually curious how hard it would be to convert these new gitmob big wolves into some totally feral wulfen for 40k

>>96148098
I got it from lexicanum, haven't checked the sources

as for nagash I think you're mistaking the time when archaon essentially broke him and bound him during the age of chaos, but otherwise he was inexplicably buried/trapped in shyish just like gorkamorka was in ghur

>>96148144
I really hate new Underwords.
Instead of new rules for the kharadron warband we just got a generic warscroll (it is better than shadespire because it was really basic) instead of new cards for the band.
Underworlds 2.0 is so basic and shit.

>>96148654
>flight stand on a tactical rock
The only this can be made worse is if you gave him resin wings that overextend the base.

>>96148098
>>96148427
Sigmar found him entombed, but it never specifies why.

Archaon slew Nagash's corporeal form in the Age of Chaos, after having tired him out through sending his armies in first. But then his spirit escaped and rebuilt.

If the Chaos gods had entombed Nagash originally it would be pretty bizarre, he's one of the few things that exist that threatens their existence (depriving the realms of all life), so assuming it's within their power they would have consumed his soul.

Would be cool to get more exposure on certain parts of age of myth but likely they just tossed it together and left it ambiguous on purpose.

>>96145256
Fuck I love DoK

>>96144520
The artillery pieces shown seem to be hauled, so I honestly do think a train is coming, but how it will look, well that’s another thing entirely.

>>96148809
The piece has tires. Those usually aren't related to trains

>>96148809
>The artillery pieces shown seem to be hauled
No, it doesn't seem to be hauled at all.

>>96148801
It's a blessing to be ignored by GW, whom just makes things worse. So the enshittyfication of the faction is coming along slowly. Maybe we'll get one last good kit of troops.

>>96149000
nope, you're getting doomfire warlocks on foot because the cavalry is going back to tow before the start of 5th edition
and then umbraneth forever

>>96146935
Purple+green would look better

>>96149056
Good thing alternative figure manufacturers and conversions remain.

>>96146548
Killing 3 half-naked men armies with 1 stone

>>96149141
>Mercenaries of the realm
>Not Dogs of War
They even got stinky redhead dwarves

>>96149156
Dogs is random bullshit. Book collecitng Mawtribes, Behemat and Fyreslayers has no room for that, especially if it's supposed to spam RoRs

>>96149169
Random bullshit is the essence of the Mortal Realms anon.

>>96148566
They have a bespoke warscroll, it's in the pdf under downloadables.


Underworlds 2 is a mixed bag, got some good stuff in it but also some bands didn't make the transition well. Vampires & Kainan's reapers feel a bit soulless compared to 1e, while many warbands before direchasm are in a better spot.

>>96148853
Chaos dwarf trains have never been on tracks have they ?

>>96149586
Are skulls not close enough to tracks?

>>96149601
I have to admit I don't know a whole lot about trains but I don't think that tracks!

I'm almost done with my Cities Spearhead, and I'm thinking about trying to get a AoS group going, starting with some Spearhead games.
It occurred to me that I should get a second Spearhead ready, so people can dip a toe before spending the money. That second Spearhead has to be something I actually want to build paint and own, so I've narrowed it down to the previous Kharadron box and Sons of Behemat.

What are y'all's thoughts on either of those boxes?

>>96149823
Don’t use KO. That may make a lot of people be turned off at the idea of the setting considering they are so polarizing. A lot of people find steampunk to be cringe.

>>96145669
It was 38% negative, which is a significant proportion, and most of the positive fell into the 'moderately like' rather than the 'i love everything ', category. Hardly a stellar release

>>96143433
TOW player here I lurk here for hot elf pics, Welves are mostly mid because they crumble the second they get touched. They have a lot of ways to escape from opponents, but if you're playing against a decent player who knows how to move around the field and actually catch you, Welves are probably in the top 3 weakest armies.

>>96149823
Of the two I would pick KO, Sons of Behemat are a skew army which can give a bad impression. You wouldn't hand a new 40k player a bunch of knights and expect them to get it.

>>96149823
Imo you should get what's cheap. My group plays S2D, Ossiarch, Cities of Sigmar and Lumineth. All but CoS were arranged by me (3d printing works wonders). Ossiarch and Lumineth are plasting but I only paid around $110 for the two of them.

>>96149823
Both ko and sons of behemat are kind of non convential armies in aos/spearhead, though obviously more so SoB. Speaking purely from the perspective of introducing new players something straightforward but with a strong theme like seraphon or ironjawz might be a better idea. From the two examples you gave sons are definitely the simpler of the two, although being so unconvential makes them tricky in their own way. Sons vs cities is also a more fun matchup from a narrative/thematic pov. That being said they also have their disadvantages like >>96150047 said. Tough one, personally I'd go for sons but that's mainly because I value the thematics & playstyle differences relative to CoS.

Gorechosen Champions is probably the coolest army of renown imo. Do you guys think chaos chosen modified with Khorne bits would be a good way to fill out the deathbringers? The new one is fine, but I think I would probably need like ten of them for the list

>>96150033
>spoiler
You too huh?

>>96147915
>they still feel like the worst death faction out of all of them.
well they aren't, and they've literally never been bad once since they released.

>>96150189
I was kinda thinking of the same thing desu. If im really lazy though i'll just by the khorne underworld warbands off of ebay and run those as random hero's I guess.

>>96150016
Cope. They got the majority of the OG fans, which are veterans with strong opinions about what the army should be.
And outside of them the reception is way more positive then negative, hinting at potential buyers in the AoS and warhammer crowd.
Releases don't get much better than this. That's the truth.

>>96145919
Neither do most of chaos' champions

>>96150544
>Releases don't get much better than this. That's the truth.
Anon this release is going to be a disaster. Having mixed only slightly positive reception on mainstream forums is damning. Less than 1/10 of those people shilling will actually buy them. This is going to be Inquisition/IDK all over again. It doesn't help that the " army " box is 10 dudes a monster and a cannon. Hopefully it doesn't but I predict a massive flop. Only slightly better than Gitmob in sales.

>>96150544
What? You went thru all the profiles and cross referenced how long they'd been forum members and how many posts they'd mad? Come on, stop lying

>>96150368
akshually that's not entirely true, every faction has spent some time in the jail cell. SBGL in particular was pretty mediocre in the anti-infantry GHB where they didn't have their 3e tome, so they basically used Neferata and her spell to give blood knights 3+ ethereal, and that was a middling build. There was some period of time between when they nerfed gorslav zombie spam (in 2e tome he could spend a cp to bring back zombies) and before their 3e tome where they were trending toward the bottom.

Funny enough even at their worst in 2e or 3e they were more fun than they currently are, they really did their best to suck the fun out of running zombies, skeletons and barrowguard.

That is to say there's definitely factions like gitz and kruleboyz that had it worse for a much longer time.

>>96150544
If it was what people really wanted, we'd see 80%+ positive reception and like 50%+ very positive minimum. For such a big reveal, it is quite a mixed result, which isn't a good thing for GW

>>96150544
>Releases don't get much better than this.
>Releases don't get much better than very polarized reception
Kek

>mainstream forums
Not that anon, but the fuck are you talking about? Obscure whfb era forums populated mostly by grogs are not "mainstream" forums.

>>96150555
we'll need to see the rules. the only reason gitmob flopped was because the rules were, and somewhat still are, unplayable trash. as much as people like to say "rules are temporary models are forever" its 100% the case that rules drive sales, good rules boost sales, bad rules stall them out. that was largely what was responsible for the dominion disaster. god damn EVERYTHING in that box had terrible rules, and remained that way through all of 3rd edition and half of 4th. kruleboyz are only just now starting to become playable.

the gitmob hype was off the charts on the reveal, but as soon as the rules started coming out it let all the air out of that balloon as it raspberried anticlimactically into the ground.

HoH reveal reignited my love for... Clan Skryre. Thank fuck we get actual cool machines with gribblies and mechanisms.

>>96150604
Lol the baubles on all the HoH totally ape after thr same thing on skryre models and kharadron

I really wish GW designers could just reference real world things instead of using pop culture vidya as source material, because that really is the difference in "real-feeling" between the best of WFB and the worst of AoS

>>96150630
>I really wish GW designers could just reference real world things instead of using pop culture vidya as source material
The original designers of Warhammer fantasy were archeology and history grads. The designers of AoS are warhammer fans/pop culture soigoys. Look at the art deco styling of the HoH. You can tell the creative took some art courses at uni and was using that as a frame of reference to make them " unique ". If GW wants new AoS and 40k shit to evoke the same realistic feeling of their older work, they need to take a step out of ToW's book when they did Cathay. Hire people who know history inside and out and then have them designs new races/factions.

>>96150555
Most Warhammer players have a couple of units in their army they're not stoked about, and that's 38% of them.
25% "like some of it" and confess to wanting the hobgrots and bull centaurs especially.
15% hate it, and 25% love "all of it". That leaves a massive crowd potentially buying at least some of it.
No idea where on the internet you manage to surmise a "slightly positive reception" btw. Not that this place was majority positive ofc.
>>96150560
I don't need to look up individual profiles to tell you that these people are veterans, because I have been on that forum since it's old rendition in 2013. I know these people, and you can read in that very poll thread that some old members are returning to the forum due to this release.
There are blogs in the archives that are hundreds of pages long with dudes painting metal minis, and making styreform K'daii. That site is ancient, and it was old before I joined.
>>96150574
Show me a single AoS release with 80% positive reception because I can't think of a single one.
Even with StD's beautiful range people were whining and crying about mono poses for months and months.
>>96150583
Correct, chaos Dwarf's Online is NOT a mainstream forum, which is why I mentioned it separately in the original post.
The point was both the OG fans and the mainstream fans are largely positive about the release.

Anyone got the new KO and Khorne pdfs?

>>96150681
>Show me a single AoS release with 80% positive reception because I can't think of a single one.
>Even with StD's beautiful range people were whining and crying about mono poses for months and months.

Recent skaven? Literally no bad eggs in there. OBR was pretty positive, people liked recent KO, nurgle and slaanesh god armies were always big hits, lizardmen was excellent

There are plenty of well received releases - not everything is perma online whinging

>>96150688
>>96119702
Rules-only. I dont get whats the point but here it is.

>>96149000
Yeah, am worried that witch elves will be replaced with models that are nowhere near as sexy.
Have been thinking of buying more of them just in case

>>96150727
There absolutely were people trying to talk shit about the latest skaven release.
>people liked recent KO
That one female head sculpt was not well liked at all. One of the few examples of a bad release, alongside darkoath and the latest khorne guys.

>>96150727
>skaven?
People were lamenting warlock engineers no longer doing magicking and engineering together, and loads of people were sad about the neglect of pestilence with plague monks and Eshin's lack of presence.
A lot of voices were sad with what they got after waiting for so long.
>OBR
???????
This is probably the most inflammatory release in all of AoS.
People were crying for years, and they are still considered marmite. I think they have more haters than IDK even, with people finding IDK stupid while actively hating OBR.

The one army on your list I will actually concede probably got an 80% positive reception is Seraphon/Lizardmen. It would be bad faith to try and argue against that.
Now I'm not arguing that there are no well received releases.
My point of contention is wether or not HoH is one, which I claim it is. Not an 80% positive one, but a largely positive one.

>>96150568
zombie spam was never fun for anyone.

>>96150807
They wouldn't be so marmite overall if they just delivered on what people know and love

This business of constantly needing to reinvent things for the new setting leads to janky, wanky designs.

The phrase "kill your darlings" exists for s reason. You can tell some of the worst offenders in AoS are the result of the designers getting high on their own farts

>>96150807
Idk, I would place HoH near the bottom of the pole for me. Maybe they're better than fyreslayers ogors but that's about it. But it's not the end of the world either, would probably rate it at 4/10.

>>96150189
modified chosen would probably be fine. Gorechosen of Dromm underworlds band is like 30 or less secondhand and gets you three dudes. The actual old Gorechosen board game can be had for like 60 and nets you four dudes. Just in case you want some variety.

Gotta wonder what the fuck Malerions faction will end up looking like. DOK kept and rolled with the greek asthetic they had in fantasy, Lumineth joined Teclis into the cultrural enrichment of the ccp, and IDK went with platos wet fucking dream.
If GW wants Malerion to shadow Cathay, I dunno what they would even go with, Japan? Korean? Idk. I just hope they dont go the lazy route and make Malerion adopt roman asthetics and make him nyx.

>>96150658
>If GW wants new AoS and 40k shit to evoke the same realistic feeling of their older work
They don't. The whole point of AoS as a setting is that it's a huge mythological high fantasy canvas to hobby in.
Maps are left mostly without filling in to have some anchors for the story and then loads of space for your gaming group's armies to exist in and do whatever you want.
That they can go crazy with it, and not ground it is kind of the entire premise.

>>96150807
>People were lamenting warlock engineers no longer doing magicking and engineering together,
As someone who did and still is doing that I know fully well that it's autistic aversion to change that really ought to not be considered wholly valid

>>96151025
>If GW wants Malerion to shadow Cathay
meant lumineth, got mao ze dong on the mind.

horse complete

I don't have much experience working with clump foliage, but so far it seems like a massive pain in the ass. I ended up soaking it in watered down white glue and now I'm just hoping everything will work out when it's all dry. Then a coat of matte spray over the whole model to seal everything together. Best I can do.

And looking at the picture I can see I need to trim that tuft.

Christ, what a stressful hobby. I should've taken up street racing.

>>96151025
Whatever it is I bet it will be a different shades of evil-looking that will trigger some of the old fans to whine for months, and then at any later opportunity.

>>96151047
Its not a bad attempt all things considered. You made the leather puch look real nice, same with the horse.

>>96151035
Also it's a rule thing and has no bearing on the model releases

horse complete

I don't have much experience working with clump foliage, but so far it seems like a massive pain in the ass. I ended up soaking it in watered down white glue and now I'm just hoping everything will work out when it's all dry. Then a coat of matte spray over the whole model to seal everything together. Best I can do.

And looking at the picture I can see I need to trim that tuft.

Christ, what a stressful hobby. I should've taken up street racing.

>>96151051
oh great and now someone responded to it before I deleted it and reposted it with the picture right way up. I'm just going to kill myself.

>>96151063
Understandable. By chance what color are you going paint the rims as?

>>96151055
I think the base came together very nicely.
Show us again when the rider is done!
>Then a coat of matte spray over the whole model to seal everything together
Shouldn't you wait with the metallics until after that then?
>>96151063
Kek, it happens.
Also, your minis will only get better over time, so don't let imperfections bother you that much.

>>96151048
They'll be cyberpunk shade-hacker elves in leather dusters and mirror shades from the midnight city

>>96151095
>what color are you going paint the rims as?
Black, always black rims.
>>96151096
>Shouldn't you wait with the metallics until after that then?
I did matte spray at the end on my Steelhelms and the metallics still show up fine through it. It dulls them slightly but it's Freeguild, they shouldn't be too shiny.
>Also, your minis will only get better over time, so don't let imperfections bother you that much.
I was reasonably happy with my paint job on the mini itself, it was the basing that drove me to fits. Now you're telling me there are imperfections? Jesus christ, it's fucking inescapable. You guys are cool, don't go to school tomorrow.

>>96151099
Stop giving them inspiration

I know it was great for starting a full AoS army, but was the old Ogor Spearhead good for Spearhead?

>>96150807
>haters than IDK even
there are IDK haters?

>>96151364
There were some real IDK schizos back in the day, nowadays it's just a distant memory.

>>96151346
>was the old Ogor Spearhead good for Spearhead?
It was kinda overpowered before it got nerfed. Its still good but it has an actual skill ceiling now.
Only really shitty spearhead in my experience is the tzeentch one, holy fuck I hope they get a new box soon.

>>96151026
>he whole point of AoS as a setting is that it's a huge mythological high fantasy
Do you read what you are writing? Mythology and history are aesthetically intertwined to the core. You can't understand mythology if you don't understand history. Which is how you get HoH.

>>96151547
>cant handle anything that isnt a slightly altered map of europe

zzzzzzzzzzzz. get a real opinion or gtfo

Will chorf kits come with enough bearded heads or are you gonna be forced to use the dogshit dei ones

>>96151797
Likely but we don't know.

>>96151797
I dunno. Do fyreslayers have extra heads on their kits? I know it’s not the apt comparison (nu khadrons probably are) but it makes me curious.

>>96151797
the new vongrim KO guys come with a bunch of extra heads, so its likely

cant say for sure though, the new gitmob stuff had like zero extra bits, completely mono-pose

>>96151816
>Do fyreslayers have extra heads on their kits?

actually yes. the vulkites come with like twice as many heads as there are figures in the box. they just all look so similar that its hard to tell. KO units typically come with about twice as many heads as there are models in the kit as well

>>96151823
>the vulkites come with like twice as many heads as there are figures in the box. they just all look so similar that its hard to tell
If that doesn't spell out the problem with Fyreslayers I don't know what will.

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>>96150807
Skaven lost a bit everytime they updated the book, lead from the rear, banners, spellcasters, some of us expected them to completely kill off clans.