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>>96149983

>Thread Question:
What would you add to Warhammer's Cosmology?

Imperial agents expansion is coming!! I can feel it!!
>TQ
Vashtorr will rise... ANY DAY NOW!! Any day now...
I like imperial saints and sisters deserve better

>>96152745 (OP)
having a chaos equivalent of the machine god, but as an actual entity would be cool, and it would fit the chaos undvided mould that people are desperate for

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
I would explore how chaos societies and chaos cults don't view the chaos gods as the creator gods. Never has anywhere in any 40k fluff had the chaos gods be the creators of the universe who created the Warp and real space. So the worshippers would see the chaos gods as the latest generation of gods who usurped the older gods who did create reality, like in ancient greek polytheism.
Or that the creator god still exists and is more powerful than the dark gods but does not interaction with reality as they do because he/it is simply above the chaos gods.
>Tl:dr chaos gods are not seen as creator gods

Have Qah come back so that the hrud band together and go on a massive crusade

>>96152850
>tq

>>96152822
How would this machine god be different from Vashtorr and the Void dragon

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
I don't really want to add anything as such. I would like to have more stories in relation to the Halo Stars and the immediate surrounding area of space. They need to bring back Adrian Tchaikovsky to write it, because none of the current Black Library writers are skilled enough to do it justice.

this breacha boy is getting there. Need to highlight the skin and touch up the battering ram. then maybe brighten up the pants some more and highlight the helmet.

>>96152885
here's the snipa I just did

>>96152890
>>96152885
also a random word bearer with a flamer. the rest of his box isnt even primed. been painting lots of 40k lately as opposed to my usual fantasy stuff. the freehand is really fun but I think for the text I'm going to do it in contained blocks instead of random scibbles wherever they fit

>>96152824
So theres abit of lore there

> Never has anywhere in any 40k fluff had the chaos gods be the creators of the universe who created the Warp and real space.

Theres a lore exerpt from Black crusade which has some worshippers believing they do

>So the worshippers would see the chaos gods as the latest generation of gods who usurped the older gods who did create reality, like in ancient greek polytheism.

there are mentions of a titanomachy prior to chaos in TEATD and in gotrek and felix they talk about older gods but we do have a creatrion myth for warhammer in realms of sorcery 2e

>>96152910
huh didn't know any of that, thanks anon

>>96152910
oh, autist anons back

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
Some Gods from outer space and I want to know more about the home galaxy of the nids, What are they fleeing from ??

>>96152969
they aren't fleeing

>>96152862
Anon please, Vashtorr isn't a chaos god, and the void dragon is a necron. Come on now, this is basic stuff

>>96152969
Entropy and not the concept but like a physical manifestation of it like the king in yellow. Represented by the Hrud. The moment a tyranid hive fleet encounters the Hrud they will all turn tale and flee the galaxy. Just like the mongol invasion of the middle east and east europe, seemingly unstoppable and immortal suddenly turning back and not returning when their khan died.

>>96153009
I mean thematically and narratively anon

>>96153026
Well Vashtorr is his (hypothetical )herald, so really it's an extension of him. Mechandemons, the horrors of technology and body horror ect. Essentially the combination of dark mechanicum, and demons. Love that shit me self, and the soul grinder is a poor manifestation of it

>>96153009
a Chaos god is just a sufficently large portion of the warp, vashtorr is currently not dominant enough to be a god as he hasn't even taken over the soulforge

NEW THREAD
>>96152898
>>96152898
>>96152898

Dark Admech soon please with Vashtorr at the helm and lots of cyber demons

>>96153009
I thought the void dragon was a ctan

Dank Ad Merch soon please with Vashtorr as a helmet and lots of cyber demos.

Other thread got nuked so I'll ask again.

Anyone ever managed to grab Kaptain Bradukk? I want a freebootaz small army, but converting a regular warboss seems too much work, so it's either getting him or some Kommando a Big Hat™.

His current name is going to be Kommodore Edorks, but feel free to suggest funnier names.

>>96153150
>helmet
say that again

F

>>96153169
so long and thanks for all the sprue goo

>>96153158
Advertis Merchanicus strikes again

>>96153158
>literally nothing special about it
>it's tits helmet, guys!

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
Nothing.
40k doesn't need cosmology. It's gay.

>>96152745 (OP)
>What would you add to Warhammer's Cosmology?
Completely revamp Chaos Daemons and Gods, including the model lines.

>>96152910
>some worshippers believing they do
Yes, since the insane lunatics and schizos are so trust worthy.

>>96153147
Correct

>>96153206
Go on, what changes would you make

Dead thread

If your opponent can see your Leman Russ side weapon sponson or the wings of your demon, any "hang off" shit as per the movement rules, does this count has having LOS for shooting purposes?

>>96153228
Yes

>>96153228
Yes, and visa versa, so you can shoot with that square mm of sponson

>>96153227
The threads not dead

>>96153217
Less fleshy goopy demons more cyberdemons

>>96153243
cyberdemons fucking own I want dankmech so bad

When I take a picture of my model the paint looks too thick but to my eyes it looks great i can make out all the details, if I thin my paint more it acts more like a wash. I don't know if its just my shaky hands or the camera or if i am blind and can only notice it is too thick when it is blown up on my phone.

>>96153243
I’m still of the opinion that GW could probably get away with squatting Demoms out of 40K if they had Cyber Demon equivalents for everyone. But they seem too spooked to even release new bespoke Demon Engines for more than just Death Guard.

>>96153269
I think a lot of people like the generic daemons more than they let on, like id be genuinely disappointed if blood thirsters went away.

I also think we do need more daemon engines, like pic related should be a valid army

>>96153266
Phone camera programs have a lot of AI image enhancing software turned on by default that tries to smooth and color correct things and it doesn't work well with extreme close-ups. You might be able to disable them in your photo app optiona.

>40kg without eldarfagsabd their whinning for a refresh
>actually a decent place
Now if only we could convince GW to improve the hobby as we improved general.

>>96153289
Nobody will feel the absence of the bloodthirster if it's replaced by one with a rocket instead of wings and chainsaws instead of arms.

>>96153289
I feel like if they were alt builds of the models, cyber demons could work. Like how you can build a Demon Prince as full fantasy or give it a Space Marine back pack.

>>96153303
if there were any DE players that existed they'd be whining for a refresh too

>>96153289
nothing with a lord of skulls should be considered a valid army

>>96153243
Love cyber deamons, but they don't need to all be that. Variety is good

>>96153289
>like id be genuinely disappointed if blood thirsters went away.
why? you would still be able go get it from fantasy

>>96153217
Make Chaos Daemons more visually discordant and reflective of their chaotic nature: see some FW sculpts like the OG chaos spawn or effects found on that one LoC.
Introduce Chaos more of a gradient as opposed to 4 distinct flavours and nearly abandoned undivided aspect: make token units for duo-element daemons combining the non-opposing Aetheric Dominions/God Aspects. Gods already mingle with eath other by fluff, might as well actually reflect it. Speaking of which, make token Daemon kits for the remaining lesser Dominions aspects.
Shroud Greater Daemons in more mystery: make their kits more modular akin to current Spawn kit to reflect ambiguous nature of what is basically realspace manifestation of a God. Its lame when you basically know what nurgle/tzeentch look like.
Dehumanize/de-anthropomorphize the Chaos Gods in fluff. Already kinda done with Aetheric Dominions but still.
Since nothing exists in a pure narrative vacuum, comewhat expand on other big Warp-entities, like Gork/Mork, Hivemind, etc. and for the love of god do something with the C'tan they're miserable and embarrassing as a concept that deserves its own post.
Just a personal touch, but cut it out with the time shenanigans, GW can't write that well to save their lives. Make parts of daemon fluff slightly more "mundane" because approaching them from standpoint of paradoxal/nonlinear writing has - at least IMO - failed.
That'd be a good start because we obviously can't just erase daemons altogether, even if that would've been a decent alternative.

>>96153312
It's a good think no DE fag has ever whined for a refresh

>>96153333
youre always begging for your dad's cock though

>>96153335
Very mature response

Applied vallejo satin varnish via spray can for the first time, let's see how it'll turn out in a few hours.
Do you varnish your models?

>>96153372
I matte mine with.a brush and it takes forever because it always frosts on me, but I find that if I keep working it as it dries and applying a little bit extra throughout the 15 minute drying process I get a frostless finish each time

>>96153303
What about chaosfags whining about the year of chaos? They don't need no refresh as much as the deldar.
Marinefags whining about not getting a new codex.
Harlequinfags whining about getting squashed
Everyone whines. Even imperial agents fags whine. Some are just more vocal than others

>>96153385
wah wah it was supposed to be the year of chaos wah wah
fucking babies

>>96153150
I like anons forge of souls idea better.

>>96153385
>What about chaosfags whining about the year of chaos? They don't need no refresh as much as the deldar
But they do. Chaos armies and eldar armies are not equal in the setting.
>It is a fate they justly deserve. In truth, there can be no escape from the doom they have brought upon themselves
Literally 8 years ago GW established place of the Eldar in the game and setting as lowest of lows. Stop crying you've got what you paid for.

Just finished my angry boy. Thoughts?

>>96153484
tabletop ready

>>96153484
truly represents the inner (and outer) clown angry ron really is

>>96153484
is collecting skulls a symptom of being on the spectrum?

Guys they just need to give us DE our minor refresh and we'll be happy with nothing else for another 10 years. Every other army has a full and diverse range, I can only field one bland list to approach being competative.

>>96153326
Everything you just said sounds incredible boring and gay, and Im glad gw will never do any of it

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
More Tau'va presence!

>>96153384
What do you use? Some of my lads' heads got chipped and I've been sitting on this spray for so long that I felt compelled to protect them some. Sprays are easy to apply but I don't like how so much of goes to waste so I'll probably get some of the pic related and apply it by brush.

>>96153501
>i dont like daemons, i just like chaos mortals and dont wanna think hard about anything more than men in spiky suits

>>96153515
I use AK Ultramatte

>>96153499
You have no place in this game. Fuck off and take CWE and clowns with you.

>>96153314
why

>>96153384
>>96153372
Vallejo spray varnish is really good from my experience, and I gave up on brushing varnish, spraying looks just immensely better.

It's time for GW to bite the bullet and force all vehicles to be based
They've already been changing the rules to make them act as if they're based, all the remains is the stupid fucking pivot rules
Just make everything round based damn

Thinking of jumping into the lore. Can anyone vouch for Luetin09 on YouTube?

>>96153266
just stop taking photos of your models, easy.

>>96153545
Just read the 10th edition rule book, the first half of the book is dedicated to the lore. It's in the OP, get the Leviathan Book. It goes over each and every faction briefly, if anything catches your attention get that faction's codex and once again the first half of it is the lore of that faction.

>>96153545
dunno who that is but I can assuredly vouch for the wiki articles he is reading to you like a six yesr old.

>>96153545
Read a fucking rulebook instead of listening to some filthy uprooted tuber.

>>96153372
Only brush on parts when the finish of certain paints doesn't match, and a layer of gloss on base rims.

>>96153555
>>96153557
>>96153559
Cool, thanks, fellas, will do.

So what tools and things do I need in this hobby besides a box of models? Please give me advice like I'm a retard who glues my fingers together when trying to sniff glue.

>>96153586
some glue to sniff

>>96153586
flush cutters
tweezers
acetone (to disolve super glue)
some kind of magnifyer

painted the pink knight

>>96153586
You need a sidecutter to cut things out of a sprue
A hobby knife to clean up stuff, remove the mold lines and so on.
A plastic cement to put together stuff, Tamiya Extra Thin or Mr. Hobby's Mr. Cement S are good. This stuff melts plastic so you actually graft pieces into each other, unlike superglue where sits between parts to hold them together.
Before painting, you need to apply some primer for the paint to adhere on plastic.
Then finally, some paint. Citadel is THE brand of GW but there are plethora of options that are cheaper and simply better like Vallejo, AK, ProAcryl and so on. Decide on a color scheme and pick up your paints from there.

>Kinda want to kit out my Purgation Squad with weapon variety
>Sprue comes with four Psycannons though
>Psycannons seem like the best option
Well damn
Maybe I'll still include two Psilencers for crowd clearing

>>96153597
Alright.

>>96153602
>>96153610
Beautiful, thank you. Do I need something to fill in the gaps? Are GW brand tools any good?

>>96153628
Generally you shouldn't need gap filler but having it on hand isn't the worst idea

>>96153628
Stay away from GW's hobby products, they're just overpriced stuff.

I would like to date an Adepta Sororitas. In particular, a Retributor I think.

This guy is really cool

Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>96153641
if i had an iron warriors army id definitely kit-bash him into an Abadon proxy

>>96153654
God bless you for keeping the faith after the reveal show, brother.

would you consider someone who exclusively plays on tabletop simulator to be a secondary

>>96153654
Be gone.

>>96153607
I'd make the eye lense brighter and glowy but that

>>96153670
no, but this board did for a while because TTS was more accessible.

>>96153654
Range. Refreshed

>>96153641
How does he move? Like seriously, at most I can picture a waddle.

Just gotta base Grimaldus up

>>96153536
Impossible; vehicles are cringe

AHEM
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.
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FUCK NECRONS

>>96153670
Yes. The hobby is modelling and painting.

>>96153670
Yes

>>96153670
Probably, playing the game is surprisingly small part of the hobby percentage wise.

>>96153324
This is 40k, not Fagtasy or Shitmarx. Daemons have always existed in the grimdark galaxy and removing the army would make absolutely no sense given their enormous presence in the lore and hobby. It'd piss chaos fans knowing a huge chunk of their army is unplayable and it would piss non-chaos fans knowing they can't use their cool armies to fight otherworldly badasses.

>>96153757
So I'm not a secondary if I only paint minis, nice

>>96153153
People still sell him, at least on marketplace. He isn't worth much anymore due to being legends

I have some marines i painted in a lighter blue i want to match the rest of my army that’s a darker blue. Would I be fine just painting a coat of macragge blue over the armor and redoing the shading/highlights? They have been varnished if that matters.

>>96153641
You know what SUCKS about this guy? Now he is in 30k, we will never ever ever gen saturine heavy shooty terminators in 40k :(

>>96153228
Yes, but I’d advise you to home rule to major chassis points or general torsos with your friends.
Games funner then

>>96153628
The only good GW item to buy is their water cup. It has grooves and several unique slants and lined indents to help keep your brush in a consistent shape. Other than that, you can buy most other tools for cheap at a nearby Hobby Lobby or Ma n Pa Hobby Store

>>96153641
He's a big guy

>>96153788
demons for a long time have existed in 40k as just some unit options for the chaos codex and everything about turning them into a separate army has been one disaster after another both in terms of aesthetics, fluff and gameplay.
they've always been the part of chaos that everyone cared for the least and the necessity to have the models fit in the fantasy setting as well has always dragged down the fan of options for the range.
demons will get squatted and the chaos armies will get their 40k exclusive demons piecemeal, and everyone but you will be happy because they don't share your terminally retarded taste.

>>96153827
Yeah, and we don't even have all the daemons we owned in the Cult Marines' detachment. You're forced into infantry and greater daemons without any actual flavor. You should clean your face before the fecal matter on your nose crusts up.

I really REALLY like this model :)

>>96153641
He’s on a 50mm base, honestly would be a good Terminator Captain proxy. Maybe he could be a “Chapter Master” character for your army to explain why he still has Saturine armor.

>>96153788
>
Daemons are definitely not otherworldly, nothing about them has ever reflected their "otherworldlyness" or "eldritchness" or "wrongness" in anything but empty words and uhh 6+ invuln lmao.
Thats part of the reason why Daemons are so shit, another part is how they poorly fit 40k due to how humanlike they are (since they're ported from Fantasy).

>>96153788
>This is 40k, not Fagtasy or Shitmarx.
Dude, you're the one arguing about wanting to keep the "Fagtasy/Shitmarx" demons.

>>96153827
>everyone but you will be happy
nta but don't lump me into your delusions. i wanna run my daemons as daemons

>>96153840
>and we don't even have all the daemons we owned in the Cult Marines' detachment
Because the presence of the old demon models in the cult armies is a stopgap measure, soon they'll all be removed and a few replaced with 40k-fied versions.

You're so retarded people have to explain this shit to you.

>>96153827
I'd like to see more Chaos Armies running their Marines alongside Demon units

>>96153820
why is your brush resting against a cup at all?

>>96153871
> soon they'll all be removed and a few replaced with 40k-fied versions.
This implies that they'll actually make models for them and not leave them to rot like all the other armies they've been removing. Remember the Lost & Damned? Legion of the Damned? Deathwatch was literally going the way of the dodo but enough faggots actually pushed back to give them their Index back. Is this really the hill you want to die on? Let another army and thousands of dollars worth of hobbying be invalidated because of James' incompetence?

>>96153670
Yes. Would you call be a trucker because I play eurotruck simulator 2018?

>>96153893
why is deathwatch so shit

Can someone post some kino sovl or something this thread is kinda stinky

>>96153893
>This implies that they'll actually make models for them
It's not an implication you smoothbrained gutter feeder, I'm explicitly telling you they'll make models for them
and the lost & damned DID get models, and the deathwatch ARE getting models, and the legion of the damned were never an army, they were literally one unit.

Go call your caretaker and tell him you need to get slapped for your stupidity.

>>96153853
I didn't. You said they'd be Fantasy exclusive when clearly I, and other people for that matter, don't want to switch over to an entirely different system that's just as expensive just to run the models and toys I bought and built. Dumbass

>>96153820
my main reason for owning the GW paint cup is it looks so different from my other mugs so I never risk accidentally drinking from it

>>96153844
That will be $100 + tip thanks

>>96153929
> I'm explicitly telling you they'll make models for them
You're a bigger delusional sack of shit than GW if you think this means they'll get any support after bring removed. Tell the other chaos armies who are half of an army (or Thousand Sons who are a quarter of an army) that they'll have their second wave soon. Maybe if you believe it hard enough, the Warhammer Fairy will also bend over and spread her anal sphincter open for you to get a really good nosefull of shitty marine slop.

>>96153701
This is my new favorite ritual post.

>>96153930
You don't have to switch, you'll be simply left with your Fagtasy/Shitmarx demons as unusable shit or as proxies for the superior 40k-only demon units for the cult legions.

You did a terrible choice when picking Fagtasy/Shitmarx demons as a 40k army and will pay the consequences.

>>96153992
You say that with every one of your own ritual posts.

>>96153996
Nta but you write like a 13 year old

>>96153946
>this means they'll get any support after bring removed
they'll be removed BECAUSE they have 40k versions coming, god, if you spent half the time thinking about shit instead of thinking about literal shit people might even think you're half as clever as a bot.

>>96153793
>isn't worth much anymore due to being legends
Why though? Gun and blade of some kind is an extremely generic set up you can have count as whatever is "meta" at the time. Given it's a nice looking model I don't get why anyone woudl want to toss it aside as useless.

>>96153632
>>96153634
>>96153820
Alright, thanks! Are GW hobby tools of low quality or just normal tools that are overpriced? What about Army Painter tools?

>>96153844
Why aren't you posting yours then? Surely you painted one yourself if you like it so much, didn't you anon?

>>96152745 (OP)
Is that the horned rat from the fantasy skaven? Isn't Nurgle already the god of rot and plague and whatever? Is he supposed to be a peer of the other four? Is that a complete pantheon? Aren't the C'tan also chaos gods?

>>96154033
Again, tell that to the Emperor's Children who are missit obvious units in their legion; Cultists, Chosen/Veterans, Predators and Vindicators, not even fucking Dreadnoughts! They don't actually have the models planned, they're going to remove the models and leave us without any substitute like all the other units they removed these past few editions. I can smell the shit from your nose on my side of the screen; take a fucking shower.

>>96154085
yes
yes
yes
no
no

I've got the Leviathan box and I'm thinking of getting this CP to be able to play 1k games.
What do you marinefags think about such an army?

>>96152969
>fleeing
They were attracted here by the Pharos in 30k.

>>96153800
I know how you feel but nobody will care/notice so just keep them this way.

>>96154058
Overpriced for the same thing an army painter tool would do.

>>96153654
I don't know man. I fear for the Courts of Archon, and Beastmasters out there.

>>96152745 (OP)
They have lust, wrath, decay and randomness so far. Seems kind of like a wonky and arbitrary motley crew rather than the result of any coherent design philosophy for the setting's construction. If there is an coherent theme to the chaos gods, it seems to be just whatever dark impulses drive mortal behavior. In which case there's a huge HUGE glaring omission:

Fear. There is no chaos god of just fear, panic, terror, anxiety and anguish. That's what I'd add. To the pantheon.

>>96154099
>I can smell the shit from your nose on my side of the screen
Maybe one day you'll realise that's on you.

Or maybe not, given you're a slaaneshfag.

>>96154100
So what's the horned rat's theme?

>>96153641
Shame these guys are expensive as hell to find right now.

>>96154112
I'm not the glowie defending a million dollar corporation who couldn't bother doing the most basic job while blaming us for not buying their snake oil.

>>96154099
>NOTHING WILL GET MODELS EVER AGAIN WAAA WAAA GW DON'T SQUAT MY (I don't actually own them though) DEMONS WAA WAAA

>>96154104
Isn't the Leviathan box already close to 1000pts?

>>96154110
What would he and his legions look like?

>>96154122
>goes straight for the nomodels
Here's some old amateur paintjobs from years ago. Fuck You

How come there are no new Chaos God's birthed anymore? Surely all this fighting and hate would spawn some newcomer?

>>96154117
He's a rat elemental.

>>96154122
> >NOTHING WILL GET MODELS EVER AGAIN WAAA WAAA GW DON'T SQUAT MY (I don't actually own them though) DEMONS WAA WAAA
(You)

>>96154117
Ruination

>>96154125
It is 1000 points for the marines. Maybe he meant 2k

This board is honestly the worst.

>>96154110
>Fear. There is no chaos god of just fear, panic, terror, anxiety and anguish.
Nurgle.

>>96154104
What chapter?

>>96154160
take a qtip and put it up your penis hole

>>96154153
All chaos gods already do ruination better than the redundant god of redundancies. Not like I'd play Chaos Beastmen anyways

>>96154134
Fighting and hared simply empowers Khorne.

>>96154110
Bruh literally all of them are scary. It's not needed.

>>96154169
The difference between tzeentch or nurgle from skaven is that tzeentch would turn you into a chaos spawn while leaving 9 books in its corpse that have a chance of either turning you into a spawn yourself, or granting you knowledge that you’ll wish to pursue further. Nurgle he just likes to spread his taint around ensuring everything is a living malformation.
Skaven just want that thing that’s in view gone from reality. It’s a really self serving goal.

>>96154205
>just want that thing that’s in view gone from reality. It’s a really self serving goal.
so Chaos Beastmen then. Got it

>>96154117
Ratte


He's an atypical presence, he technically ascended to the table of the big 4 but even then he's not truly recognised as equal, in terms of emotions/domains he's claiming desperation, which you might think that sounds like nurgle again, but there's an alleged nuance; where nurgle is often nominally the god of despair, he's actually the god of one answer to despair, giving up, accepting inevitability, embracing entropy and wallowing in imperfection instead of striving for betterment and perfection, nurgle is the final answer to despair
in contrast to that the horned rat is a different reaction to desperation, the panic, the paranoia, the all consuming necessity to scrape and dig to find an escape, to kill and betray and sacrifice all your morals, all your humanity, all you previously thought you would care and protect, all in order to get ahead of the sense of impending doom, because at the end, in the rat race everyone is in it for themselves and themselves alone

the element of plague and ruin has also been somewhat justified: nurgle spreads plagues and illnesses as a gift, he cultivates them with passion and cares for them like a father would with his sons, the goal of spreading these maladies isn't only to kill but to make new lives grow as well, he embodies a twisted version of the cycle of life; the horned rat has none of that benevolence or goal of sustainability, plagues are a weapon, a sterile ruin is what would happen if he had free reign, he has no restraint he will obsessively erode reality until he can inherit the ruins as the last thing standing after the apocalypse; the two may align in many moments, but otherwise there's a fierce opposition for the long term.

The horned rat also canonically got the plague aspect from nurgle (to be precise, with a deal with a renegade demon of nurgle), he didn't come up to it on its own, as the scavenger under the table of the gods, he kind of gathered bits and bobs here and there wherever he could.

>>96154131
Munch is as good an initial inspiration as any (though The Scream was not really inspired to be a piece about fear, per se, since it was just an impressionist capture of an historical moment as a woman reacted to seeing a boat on fire which was a minor event).

To contrast against the '80s glam rock spaghetti monsters of the other gods, I think pale, featureless androgynous figures of distorted proportions and black holes in their constantly screaming eye sockets is a decent baseline. Spindly spiders twitching in frantic anguish as they skitter across the field at lightning speeds amid the boom of artillery flashing through the gloom and smoke. Invisible winds of absolute silence falling upon a troop, cutting off even telepathic communication as the rest of the world fades beyond a black horizon which approaches until only the victim remains, drowning in helplessness ... alone forever. A sound which drives men to murderous terror in their panicked flight to escape it, but which no others hear as their phalanges are scraped free of flesh by the scrabbling attempt to claw their way through a solid metal door.

>>96154125
I think its around 700.

>>96154165
Regular space marines, custom chapter.

>>96154134
Other gods won’t allow it. I believe the only reason Big E was supposed to be one before rejecting that fate was because of how fuck off powerful he is.

>>96152745 (OP)
Call me a kill joy if you want, but 40k and Warhammer in general doesn't need more gods, let alone chaos gods.
Adding in more than the Big 4 would start to make the setting into a lame hodgepodge random things put together instead of an actually cohesive thing.
Also adding in more gods has the very big danger of it morphing into some gay Horus Heresy type scenario with the pantheon and it just becomes ultra lame and gay.

>>96154184
I dunno what to say, anon. That seems pathetic.

>>96154249
>Implying he isn't a chaos god of order and tyranny in the 40th millenium

>>96153385
>Some are just more vocal than others
Correct. And eldar players do it the loudest and most frequently whether they're getting a new release or not

>>96153385
You forgot how the World Eaters and Emperor's Children lost more units than they got when they became separate armies? I just want to run my predators and dreadnoughts again, not be pushed out the door because my models were made illegal by the company who makes the rules and models.

>>96153484
>screenshot filename
>stolen from reddit
No you didnt, you have no models.

ok who here ACTUALLY has models
I do, but only 1500 points are painted

>>96154337
I do, but I'm not posting them here anymore

>>96153484
please_be_patient_i_have_autism.jpg

>>96153654
Dark eldar more like fart smelldar lmaooo

>>96153670
Am I an operator because I'm 12th prestige on mw2

Playing Warhammer at my LGS is the last place I can go in town that is majority white people and no trannies like MTG

>>96154375
dont discount yourself anon.

>>96154337
I got fuck loads of models

>>96154375
>no trannies
By the Gods I wish I could find a space like that. No more having to smell their shit scent or seeing their gaudy clown makeup.

>>96154104

Captain (80 points)

Librarian in Terminator Armour (75 points)

Lieutenant with Combi-weapon (70 points)

Intercessor Squad (80 points)

Ballistus Dreadnought (140 points)

Company Heroes (105 points)

Sternguard Veteran Squad (100 points)

Terminator Squad (170 points)
Terminator Squad (170 points)

>>96153844
Maybe you should've bought one when know no fear boxes were 40$

>>96154099
Nobody cares about emperors children and never have. Nobody plays them.

Are Assault Terminators any good or is it all about shooty Terminators nowadays? What's the best HQ to attach to them?

>>96154132
Wow you love them so much they're covered in dust and unfinished

>>96154432
Both kinds suck.
Vanilla (And vanilla chaos) Terminators are made intentionally shit so that subfaction specific Terminators ( DWK, Deathshroud, Wolfguard, Rubric, Allarus) can be good and seen as an upgrade from base without being too good and dominating.
As a result all kinds of terninators suck ass.

>>96154388
Yeah but you didn't paint them yourself so nobody cares

>>96154478
I painted every single thing in the photo you worthless ape

>>96154478
post models

Oath of Moment should have a lingering buff for the rest of the turn if you kill the right target.

>>96154464
Underwhelming. I have 10 Leviathan Terminators and I wanted to kitbash half of them with Cataphractii arms so I could field a squad of both variants but I have no idea how to utilize them.

>>96154484
Why would anyone believe that when you're a compulsive liar and already admitted to getting all your marines painted

>>96154494
Hopefully in 11th when we get updated Assault termies they get a less garbage datasheet.

>>96154484
>>96154489
Phoneposting samefagger

>>96154494
I would just hold for now since we know Assault termies are getting refreshed

>>96154484
No you didnt

>>96154508
post your foreskin status
if you're an american without any, you cant be considered a real man

>>96154518
I did and my Blood Bulls are almost ready for the collage

>>96154521
Thank you for affirming my gender, anon. I've been desperately seeking validation. The universe works in mysterious ways to have sent you to me in this my hour of need.

>>96154514
>we know Assault termies are getting refreshed
Huh, do we now? I guess I missed the memo, I am clearly not up to date with rumours.

Why do you suppose they axed Warhammer Monthly? Did everyone just lose interest after Bloodquest ended? I don't blame them.

>>96154337
>I do, but only 1500 points are painted
>doesn't post them
What was the point of this post

>>96152745 (OP)
Any Drukhari players here? I decided to try and collect them. Pretty new to actually playing 40k here. I know they are fragile, I know you cannot get lot of the models, but my LGS is okay with proxies. The full list is:
>3 Archons
>1x10 Incubus
>1x5 Incubus
>Drazhar
>1x10 Madnrake (I am not sure if this, or 2x5 Mandrakes)
>3x10 Kabalites
>4 Raiders
>2 Ravegers
>1 Venom
>1x5 Scourges

The squads are:
>Archon with Nightmare Shroud
>1x10 Incubus
>1 Raider
I can stroll into Overwatch areas and strike down overwatchers

>Archon with Phantasmal Smoke
>1x10 Kabalites
>Court of the Archon
>1 Raider
Court is cool, and I can still use Phantasmal Smoke with the Raider around, even if I cannot put my troops into it.

>1x5 Incubus
>Drazhar
>Venom
Incubus are cool, Drazhar is cool, and from the way I read things I can have them be a quick assassination squad to snipe unattended Characters.

>1 Haemonculi (I just like them)
>1 Cronos for Pain Token Farming
>1 Talos to complete the Haemonculi Coven
I would add Wracks too, but I ran out of points. Maybe even better to switch the Talos out for some proxy Grotesques.

>going to GM a Deathwatch one shot for my usual party
>none of them played it before so I offered making characters for them, two took me up on the offer
>one wants to play a techmarine (he plays mechanicum in KT) and the other an apothecary, but they don't really know that much about the universe beyond the basic premise they left the chapter selection to me
Got some funny ideas? At first I thought I'll just make the techmarine an Iron Hand and the apothecary a Blood Angel to just keep it simple, but I'm tempted with making some funny combinations like an impatient White Scars techmarine that wishes he was driving a land speeder rather than fortifying the position.

>>96154528
You're not allowed on any of the community stuff though

>>96154542
I am for this next one due to good behavior

>>96154536
To show you how honest I am.

>>96154544
You just called someone a worthless ape.

>>96153484
Very unique, do you like my birb? xD

>>96153641
What can I proxy him as?

>>96154554
hymen status??

>>96154539
You don't need Drazhar in SSA, archon is better
Do 2x5 mandrakes
You want more Venoms for objective play and splitting

>>96154544
You're shitting up the thread with tranny posting right now

>>96154554
I love how mindbroken the schizos get over this pic. Surely there won't be 5+ seething replies to this image within 2 hours

>>96154541
Make all the players alpha legion in disguise, privately give them all secret missions to accomplish without any of the other knowing. Tehe

>>96152824
ALL SHALL RETURN TO MOTHER!!!

>>96154584
she has nothing on cat titan

>>96154553
and what about his false accusations against me?

>>96154570
I have not uttered the T word once in this entire thread.

>>96154584
>>96154554
I dont get it

>>96154541
>look mom I posted the pedo artist again

>>96154554
>>96154584
>men taked pic of thing
>woman takes pic of thing

>>96154534
is blood quest the one with the funny looking italian dudes.

>>96154599
I like warhammer, I like tiddys, I like cats. I don't like this image

>>96154514
Will GW give, claws, thunderhammers and shields back to terminator captains once they refresh assault termies?

>>96154600
Seriously just stfu for a month and stop avatarfagging every thread maybe they'd allow you in but you can't even manage that.

>>96154632
I have not avatarfagged in a long time you disgusting beast!

>>96154600
Yeah and you just happen to be around anytime anyone's spamming low effort racist or shit about trannys, or mentioning your name, or reverse searches your reddit bait
>you lie all the time and we aren't allowed to point it out or you have a meltdown. Why are you allowed to point out people's lies but others can't?

>>96154644
Yeah sure buddy

>>96154605
Wait what?! Can I get a QRD?

Does anyone know why matte Nuln Oil (old formula) would dry with a distinctive glossy sheen? It's the same bottle I've been using and it looks entirely unlike regular Nuln Oil now that it's dried.

>>96154644
You posted "goodnight thread" like 6 times in the same night with your model pics when you were pretending to sleep. That's avatarfagging

>>96152745 (OP)
>What would you add to Warhammer's Cosmology?
C'tan return as proper gods to match Chaos Gods.
Warp versus Material Universe as a source of conflict between them. Give them back Pariah gene plot as well and make Deceiver be the one who created Tau Ethereals as a joke.

>>96154665
You need to shake it more. Nuln glosses up when it sits for a long time

>>96154611
blood quest is the one with the blood angels

>>96154665
Shake it like a motherfucker for an entire week if you want it to come out right.
Or buy a vortex mixer for your shaders like I did.

>>96154660
That artist also draws loli cp

>>96154665
shake it A LOT
I really recommend people get electronic pot shakers

>>96154673
Well shit, but thanks for the answer. I shaded three Skorpekhs with the stuff who are now going to need another coat to dull it down. Hopefully the models don't come out too dark.

We are getting closer to KINO with every passing day.

>>96154665
I don't care about washes finishing glossy as I matte varnish the whole model at the end anyway (then gloss varnish over gems, visors etc after)

>>96154695
Dunno, ask /hhg/

>>96154660
Draws naked children and gore. People said hey, why do you draw naked children and gore? People said its weird that you draw naked children and gore so much. He said I know it's bad, and I like drawing naked children because it's bad. People said ew, you are a nonce. He said yes, I am. People said we shouldn't post this pedestal art anymore, that's gross. Pedos said you just aren't based enough to appreciate it.

>>96154695
wow, riveting storyline

>>96154539
>>96154565
Okay, splitting Mandrakes, removing Drazhar, adding a Venom, it leaves me with 45 Points. Which is too little to get anything, but seems a little too big to leave alone.
Should I maybe change the Talos for another Cronos? Remove it and add 10 Wracks so the Haemonculus is not just for show?

You sure about Drazhar? I know that for the Incubi the Archon adds more per raw, but I figured he is a good source of Precision damage. Or most characters that are worth Precisioning cannot really be killed by him alone?

>>96154660
Reddit got mad that his 40k fanart has grim dark in it. Also loli.

>>96154695
are people really excited for more of this slop

>>96154707
Are you telling me he seriously molested multiple drawings?

Mainly the base left to do. Happily taking feedback.

>>96154673
It's not just lack of shaking, they changed the formula.

>>96154665
Check out Army Painter Dark Tone. It's a near-perfect replacement, now that GW fucked up their recipe. Agrax Earthshade was caught in the crossfire too, Army Painter strong tone is the replacement for that one.

>>96154749
Way more than more primaris being shoved down my throat, that's for sure.

>>96154747
>>96154660
Oh right facebook got mad too.

>>96154660
>very talented history inclined korean artist, if you access his pixiv and the like he also draws a lot of child guro porn
>recently it came to light again when he started drawing warhammer fanart
>everytime it would show up on the 40k reddit people would be like please don't post that that guy does CP and the OP would go "bet ?" and then the person would post PROOF and the thread would get deleted by the mods
>reddit mods at some point specifically banned his art, not because the art was in breach of guidelines, even tho a lot of it was sus as fuck, but because it would invite CP onto the reddit board
>so people started bitching online like nooo it's not true
>then mossa was like lol it's true I'm so based
>so people were like nooo it's true but you shouldn't worry about it

>>96154760
Absolutely amazing work anon, reminds me of that huge ass dude on the cover of the Admech codex. Got a Cawl of my own that I'm honestly not ready to paint but seeing this its giving me conversion ideas

>>96154760
He specifically mentioned that it was the old formula that dried glossy you illiterate retard. Which was a product of not shaking it. It was very common with the old formula

>>96154780
So essentially anyone that bitches about his art posted here is a reddit/fb/twitter tourist? That would make a lot of sense

>>96154749
>No Primaris
>Even more Firstborn kino
>Primarchs will be gone soon
>Slowly getting to Cursed Founding and Badab eventually
Now this is epic.

>>96154747
>>96154750
>>96154778
There's the pedo defense force now.

>>96154801
This is the usual epic 4chan badass pedo apologist meme yes

>>96154771
Primaris or no Primaris it's still slop

>>96154778
This looks fucked

>>96154806
Bait used to take effort.

Ok people let's decide decalfags fate once and for all:
https://strawpoll.com/GJn4427Eqnz
Is he beyond redemption?

>>96154801
it's 2025 my dude, everyone posts on reddit and xitter and here, it's not a secret corner of the dark net

>>96154803
Guillimans order to cawl will be in a book

>>96154801
More likely that anyone willing to die on the cross to defend him is probably a diddler or wants to diddle. Shaming of nonces isn't really a thing that just comes from one place, it's a shared opinion across the mentally stable population of every website.

>>96154795
You're right, I'm retarded, woops

>>96154818
Slop like anything warhammer but one I can enjoy because it won't have primaris in it.

>>96154838
...who's defending him? Are they in the room with you?

https://www.warhammer.com/en-CA/warhammer-40000/imperium/imperial-knights

Why did they remove the big knights from the storefront?

>>96154750
Shut the fuck up. People draw this shit because they want to fuck kids but can't. They are pedos , and no amount of cope will change that

>>96154857
See below
>>96154801
>>96154778
>>96154750
>>96154747

>>96154864
Would you rather have him fuck kids instead of drawing them? Fucking weirdo.

>>96154860
They hid it only from cowardly leafs such as yourself

>>96154806
What defense? I'm on your side, if he molested drawings he should be put in jail for life and all his belongings taken by the state as compensation for the victims. Nothing short of that is acceptable.

>>96154873
>all those posts
>not one actually defending him
Ok.

>>96152745 (OP)
Is there a full list of which aspects of the Emperor each Primarch was made to represent?

>>96154893
The best you really get is the scene in Alpharius with russ and alpharius talking about the roles the primarchs have, its a very comical exchange

>>96154829
weird way to out yourself

God I love cunny I pity the fools who are against it

>>96154891
>>96154882

>>96154921
I don't, but I like his 40k fanart. But I'm pretty sure most people can separate stuff like that and only pretend to get offended for (you)s, since they're the ones bringing it up.

>>96152822
The emperor IS the machine god you heretech. And him being a chaos god nulls that.

>>96154933
He just said he should be put in jail.

>>96154945
but the emporer has spoken to the machine god before

>>96154941
I don't know man, his art has a weird "sick in the head" vibe to it.

>>96154945
Ur-025 disagrees

Are Wolfguard Terminators as bad as normal ones? I don't see anyone using them either but maybe because Wolf Jail is too popular.

>>96154724
The issue with Drazhar being precision damage is that it doesn't really matter that much if you just wipe the whole unit instead and a 5x squad of Incubi + Archon in a venom will kill Marines and Gravis equivalents

What the group struggles against is like, Wraiths, but everything struggles to kill wraiths and if Drazhar snipes the technomancer all that'll happen is that the 5 incubi squad get killed on the clapback.

IMO Drazhar is godlike in Reaper's Wager but an Archon is just better in SSA.

>>96154945
>The emperor IS the machine god you heretech
Incorrect, Machine Cult doctrine holds the Emperor is the Omnissiah, whom is the living avatar of the Machine God. They hold a trinity with the Machine God, the Omnissiah, and the Motive Force being different aspects of the greater whole.

>decalfag posts
>2 minutes later tranny spamming begins
>people call him out
>tranny spamming stops
>it's not me!
>decalfag posts again
>2 minutes later pedo apologist posting begins
You really need to learn to spread out your shit more.

>>96154893
there's no thoughts on "aspects", it's literally just random shit blanche vomited onto pieces of paper at random whims, generally (but not always) drawing from elements of old types of warriors through history.

>>96153303
>No eldarfags
>still plenty of trannies winning about them

>>96154955
...and? So did van Gogh's (not that he is on his level), that's part of the appeal. Sometimes people want some unsanitized media, like a vurgal Tarantino or some sloppy gore flick like Dead Alive before they go to their everyday safe media.

>>96154724
NTA but Drazhar's +1 to wound buff is a nonbo with SSA giving Lance because they don't stack.
Arcubi unit will wipe most infantry threats anyways so you don't really need the precision. Remember that any character can gain precision in melee with a stratagem if you really need it
Talos are pretty good but only in pairs. Scourges are better anti tank with either haywire or dark lances. Solo Cronos are useful as action monkeys and distraction carnifexes and occasionally the aura helps with pain token economy.
The Haemonculus is an awful unit but Urien Rakarth, the named one, is incredible. If you have a few extra points and you are using Proxies anyway just run him as Rakarth.

>>96154786
Thanks, that was the inspiration for it. The main kits I used besides Cawl were a penitent engine and a paragon warsuit. A lot of other bits in there too, but those are the big structural ones.

I'm not a fan of named characters (I just don't like the idea of /mydudes/ being anywhere near canon characters), but I love the codex cover priest, so I figured I'd make one for the fun of it and run him as Cawl for rules purposes. I've decided he's some kind of high-ranking Ordo Reductor priest who has joined my explorator fleet for mysterious reasons, his only stated reason being "field testing".

>>96154860
Possibly being reboxed for the codex release later this year? They do that sometimes. The US store shows several as "temporarily out of stock".

>>96154986
are you the troon that spergs out any time someone uses "tranny" as an insult?

>>96154986
No, trust me, I am ALL of your boogeymen and then some you still haven't recognised, but I'm not that fag, I actually hate the factions he likes with comical accuracy.

>>96154941
I have a sensitive stomach when it comes to overly gratuitous gore and child porn. I feel as though that's a common trait as I don't see gratuitous gore or child porn on billboards and cereal boxes. But sure maybe everyone's just trolling

>>96154968
5 to escort Logan, 10 with Arjac to take the mid fields, most people use them like that. If your are the anon starting out a SW army, paint them, play them as regular terminators and deep strike them. They do wonder for me at 1000pts games

>>96154860
They're being repackaged for the codex release but China fucked up the book print so it's being delayed

>>96155022
You don't see CP because it's a crime, you don't see gore because it's taboo. You also don't see much boobs on billboards these days.

My way of dealing with such things is not going out of my way to look for CP and I wish people would so too, but instead they constantly cry about while probably jacking off to it themselves. I wish I had the collage of all the holier than thou guys busted with CP on hand.

>>96154986
Everything would've been avoided if his first avatarfag post was ignored but you retards are unfortunately incapable of doing that

>>96155008
>>96155014
>He's phoneposting and samefagging again
Why are you incapable of just waiting a few minutes to post your samefags

Hmm. I might be feeling it.

>>96155045
>they constantly cry about while probably jacking off to it themselves
100% of the time it's this.

>>96154750
>>96154747
Your hard drives need a check

>>96155047
>he's playing defense for the "audience"
lmao
kill yourself soon, revolting freak

>>96155047
Now yours is advanced schizophrenia.

>>96155047
meds

>>96155057
I mean I wouldn't say it's 100% of the time since CP is fucking bad, but it's the most vocal ones that I think should be looked into. I think it's their guilty conscience pushing them to this.

>>96155045
>the people saying "hey I sure don't like seeing child porn, you should stop posting that" are obviously all falesflagging because of muh anecdote
>if you see cp and express your distate for it then you're probably a nonce

>>96155075
Like these ones:
>>96155062
>>96155084
Self-righteous to mask their shame.

>>96154921
Is this supposed to be Cawl?

>>96154448
Again, years ago and amateur. Also they're meant to be dusty and ashen because the gimmick was that my khotne daemons rise from the ashes of despoiled locales and ruined cities as a sort of blood vengeance for the fallen; the manifestation of a dying world's hatred

>>96155062
I have literally nothing but work stuff on my hard drives, are you sure you're not saying that because you have something yourself?

>>96153802
>buy saturnine
>use them as centurion devastators

>>96154921
Mossa is good because his weirdo art gatekeeps the faggots and retards.

>>96155023
Neat. Yeah I'm the anon who asked before. My box arrived today as well. I also got the old Logan and 15 old Blood Claws as some old SW memorabilia for display. My plan is to get 1-2 Combat Patrols and a Balistus Dreadnought and then finally maybe try some Wolf Cavalry. Of course I'll go box by box so I wont get more before I finish the Army Set. I also got a bonus as you can see on the pic which was neat.

>>96155089
The best example of this is how Yank Conservatives call anything gay related child grooming then elected a child-diddler for a President

>>96155105
imagine buying [latest gw product] to proxy a unit gw will take away next year

>>96155105
saturnine models are so kino, I dont care what people say

>>96155101
>they're meant to be dusty
2/10 bait. I replied.

>>96155123
It's not bait... I literally told you the gimmick...

>>96155114
Unironicaly hilarious you posted this immediately after this >>96155108 retard lmaooo

>post an RPG question
>people lose their shit and start pointing fingers
So, any tips for >>96154541 ?
>>96154596
Too silly.

>>96155129
Is the dust on your shelves and unfinished bases showing that you havent picked them up or used them for anything a part of the gimmick? Why should gw care about squatting something that even you don't care about enough to finish or keep clean

>>96155116
The neat part is that you get to keep the models and use them as whatever you want.

What the fuck are these BT rules? They removed the only working combo of the hellbrick and are pushing ancients? Fuck that.

>>96155151
Wait that's illegal.

>>96155150
>Why should gw care about squatting something that even you don't care about enough to finish or keep clean
Because they're still my fucking models you dense corporate glowie. I still physically own then and can do whatever I want with them. That's still not an excuse to neglect the models they made and the rules they wrote for the sake of forcing new slop down our throats. Fuck James and Fuck You for brown nosing to a company that doesn't care for you.

>>96155146
Post the question again with some art by an artist that draws fat tits or I'm ignoring it and calling you gay.

>>96155110
The 15 blood claw pack is great for bits, you could probably modify the old logan to make him similar to the new one. get a single patrol box after you are done painting the army, after that get another box of headtakertaker them to 6 dudes, and build 6 thunderwolf cavalry, that's going to be a great start to a space wolves army. I'm gonna run 2 packs of headtaker, 2*3 thundercav, 10 Wulfens, Logan Bjorn and Ragnar as my 2k point list

>>96155163
Anon you haven’t played a game ever and you don’t even own an entire army of them. Next thing you’re gonna say is you’re entitled to sex

>>96155131
Gatekeeping is good.

>>96155174
What the fuck does any of this have to do with 40k or using the product I bought and own?

>>96155164
You act like an entitled child, so no.

>>96155163
It just doesn't seem like you care about the thing youre saying you care about very much. Are all your models unfinished and covered in dust? If the answer is yes then gw doesn't care about people who arent continually buying things to paint and supplies to paint them. If the answer is no, then why are the daemons you care so much about neglected when your other models aren't?

>>96155163
>forcing
noone was expecting you to buy shit, since you weren't even rushing to buy the old demons either, you have had yours for years and didn't even finish them

if yours are the caring attentions of one of the people who care about demons the most imagine how little anyone else cares about them

Heh sorry 40ker, we put all the cool models in Horus Heresy

>>96155174
>entitled
nta but its not entitlement if he was rugpulled after being told he can play games with them

>>96155183
More like he likes entitled children.

>>96155163
>and can do whatever I want with them
Sure, you are perfectly free to use legends rules or proxy them for the newer better and actually wanted units.

>>96155197
Then he can play older editions.

>>96155193
It'sike the size of a small knight, right? Seems like a good excuse to proxy a knight in AdMech.

>>96155183
You're gay
Should've asked /40krpg/

>>96155165
Yeah I got the Blood Claws for bits as well since we can use regular units. I'll get the new Logan as well as I really like him. That's a good army idea you have there. My plan is to focus on thr Army Set and then get thr army to a functional 1000 pts to play some games.

>>96155193
pic unrelated

>>96155209
I already did my underage homophobe, but the rpg thread is very slow.

>>96155193
30k Mechanicum absolutely mogs 40k Admech

What's the most insane thing you guys proxy and are your rando opponents fine with it?

>>96155193
>this shit
>cool
kek

>>96155217
>I already did my underage
you did what!?

>>96155230
>Should've asked /40krpg/
>I already did
And you're ESL, imagine my shock.

If I buy two of this in the new DoW boxset, any ideas what I can use the spare Ancient, Judiciar and Chaplain for conversion-wise?

>>96155188
What does that even mean? Just because they have dust doesn't mean I neglected or left them unfinished. It means there's just dust on them. None of this is a vaid excuse to remove the models I have from the game I play them with, nor is it ever a good thing to tell other players that their models don't have any value anymore.
>>96155189
You forgot the part where GW specifically relegated 90% of the firstborn kits into Legends specifically to force their players to buy the new and shiny primaris versions. No they aren't unfinished, I just don't do basing because it's 100% pointless.

what is this stupid ass face

>>96155238
Ancient into apothecary or even all three into more bladeguard, just score some weapons.

>>96155251
mom said it's my turn to be a chaplain now

>>96155203
>you are perfectly free to use legends rules
Except for the models that get removed without Legends, or when the next edition happens in half a year and everything already in Legends is removed.

>>96155238
I feel sorry for people who missed out on indomitus and have to buy that overpriced bundle of crap. You could make the ancient into a champion if you give him a sword maybe.

>>96155267
It's going to be $50 in a new box set

>>96155251
Super easy fix is to put a Primaris Reiver helmet on him. The model is salvageable.

>>96155282
What new boxed set?

>>96155206
>older editions
Lol. Lmao even. Do you actually know any LGS or local group that still plays with older editions than the newest one? You say it like you're running one yourself

>>96155241
>No they aren't unfinished, I just don't do basing because it's 100% pointless.
That is unfinished. Just because I say it's pointless to button up my shirt before going into work doesn't mean I'm properly dressed for work.

>>96155296
you cant deny each new edition is better than the last

>>96155289
50 bucks for the squad. I think 2 copies gets you what, 230 for 1x6 BGV + Judiciar and 200pts of eradicators + 4 spare characters for kitbashing, generiously calling it 500 points.

I think it's probably the best deal 40k has rn

>>96155282
Don't bother, he's a poorfag tourist larping
>>96155296
>what are friends
Yikes

>>96155267
>overpriced
Anon, it's $50.

>>96155241
>specifically to force
No, even when marinelets are perfectly as legal as everything else, customers rush to buy the infinitesimally taller marines because they're just that kind of paypigs.
Nobody is forcing you to do anything, you're just being left behind like you left behind those models for years.

>>96155303
The difference is your shirt is needed as part of your uniform to work. The base is just a flat piece of plastic to hold the model and nothing else. If you want to waste time gluing dirt from your backyard onto a model be my guest; I'm not stupid enough to waste paint on a 5 cent platform. Even then it breaks any immersion because if I give it dirt, it only looks appropriate on dirt battlefields. Imagine standing on a bunch of gravel and rocks in the middle of a tomb world, or having a factory setting base on a jungle setting

>>96155308
>only in the US
>allegedly in german store, but immediately sold out
GOD FUCKING DAMMIT

>>96155308
oh damn where can i get this

>>96155258
>Except for
That's when you read the rest of the sentence, you vaguely anthropomorphic mass of disappointments.

>>96155330
Target or Barnes&Noble

>>96155308
Are there enemy models in this boardgame? Who do you fight against if its up to 4 players?

>>96155340
cardboard tokens

>>96155308
>neither of my closest Target’s had it
RIP me I guess

>>96155331
The "new" models are nowhere better. Optiond are lost, poses are the same action run, flight stands are replaced with tactical rocks, and the proportions & base sizes are all wrong for proxy play specifically force you to buy the shiny new models with the "appropriate" sized bases and the only wargear being in the kit and nothing else. And even then they'll remove the units and models you actually wanted to play with because they're not the new product to consoom

>>96154695
>marineslop 2: scouring boogaloo
Seriously, what exactly changes from the HH? It was power armor vs ever-so-slightly spiky power armor before, and it's gonna be the exact same thing again, except some of the big models aren't available because the character is dead.

>>96154652
>>96154651
Thats just you falseflagging as usual

GW are trying to appeal to the scalper audience with that box

>>96155203
space wolves player here. i had hounds of morkai. now i dont anymore

>>96155381
no, GW wants to break into nromal stores more. Not every store wants to carry paints and shit but prepackaged boxes like this theyll carry

>>96155267
It's 50 dollars, /v/ermin
>>96155251
it's a defias bandit mask and it's kino

>>96155215
This is what I recommend you play with the boxset+patrol box
>Gladius task force or Saga of the beast slayer
>Wolf priest
>Wolf guard battle leader, probably with the sword and shields
>2*5 Intercessors (using the grey hunters as count as)
>2*10 Blood claws or 20 (put the wolf priest as the leader of a pack)
>3 Headtakers with double weapons with the 3 wolves (WGBL as leader)
>5 Wulfens with shields and thunder hammers
>5 Terminators with shields and swords
And you have point to put 2 enhancement on your characters, helm of the beastslayers and the blood claws buff one, can't remember the name. of you play gladius vehement honor on the WGBL, and the reroll advance on the wolf priest.

>>96155354
>The "new" models are nowhere better
Yes, they are, that's why people buy them while noone buys demons and their fiercest defender has barely touched the few he had in years.

Buy you're still free to use your shitty models to proxy the superior new sculpts, nobody will stop you, unless your models remain unpainted.

>>96155419
Are you an actual shill for Games Workshop? You're literally repeating picrel verbatim

>>96155419
>Coteaz
>Sanguinary Guard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superior

>>96155406
Yes, you do, check in the codex under "reivers".

>>96155326
>I'm not stupid enough to waste paint on a 5 cent platform
Finishing your models isn't wasting paint. They're made to be painted, just like the bases are meant to be painted. If you're so broke that you're claiming 3 cents in paint for your bases is unreasonable then you're definitely not someone whose opinion matters to gw. Sorry, but people who are currently playing, and painting are who they are concerned with as well as those who will actually paint and play in the future.
>Even then it breaks any immersion because if I give it dirt, it only looks appropriate on dirt battlefields.
>my brain can filter out the giant black circles on the table but couldn't possibly filter out the circles if they were brown and textured.

>>96155428
sometimes new stuff is just better, you can tell when the new stuff isn't better because actual players are pretty vocal about it.

>>96155438
no i dont. theyre not hounds of morkai. i bought them because they were advertised as hounds of morkai. i dont have hounds of morkai anymore. it was a new sculpt and everything.

>>96155436
so two examples as opposed to tones which are upgrades, like any of the nids and necrons

>>96155450
>it was a new sculpt and everything.
no, it wasn't lmao, it was an upgrade sprue

>>96155443
A base is not part of the model, it's what you put the model on after you're done. I'm not obligated to do anything to the base because it's separate from the model itself. It's just a flat piece that is added on the base to be game-appropriate. I could use cardboard or a quarter for all I care, it's not important to the model and it doesn't tell a story unlike the dude it's carrying.
>Captcha: ST0PG

>>96155450
they weren't new sculpts, they were just reivers, that's their rules, call them however you want, you big baby.

>>96155457
now the upgrade is worthless because it doesnt matter anymore. my unit was taken away from me just like the other fag said and my replacement isnt good.

>>96155467
A nice looking base can elevate a model and a poor looking one can ruin it

>>96155467
>A base is not part of the model
Yes, it is.
This is not a boardgame, this is a wargame, models get painted and bases get done, if you don't do them, you haven't finished the model.

>>96155485
wargames are a subset of boardgames

>>96155481
>now the upgrade is worthless because it doesnt matter anymore.
trying too hard to shift your goalposts after getting proven wrong over and over
the upgrade is what it always was
optional bits to spice up your models and make them more unique looking
you would know this if you actually owned any

>>96155481
The upgrade was only ever space wolves heads and trinkets, it wasn't new equipment, they were reivers then, they're reivers now, you lost nothing.

>>96155483
All bases painted are a waste of time that get in the way of the story the model tells. It's superfluous like our appendix; it can be taken away from the game and nothing changes. My models are 100% painted and I will not touch the bases just to spite autistic faggots like you who think they matter more than life itself. I like my models. I like using my models. That's all I want. This argument is nothing more than corporate shilling and trying to advertise shitty monoposed slop for the sake of "old bad new good."

>>96155506
trying too hard

>>96155506

>>96155490
Vertebrates are also a subset of invertebrates, yet nobody is going to consider you a man until you grow a spine and finish painting the damn things.

>>96155500
they were psyker hunters to fight ny brothers thousand sons. now i dont have psyker hunters. upgrade or not i had a unit and now its gone. reivers are much worse i dont think anyone here even likes them

>>96155522
you and your brother own no models, your brother likely doesn't exist

>>96155467
If you actually played you'd know that you do in fact have to texture your bases and maybe your models wouldn't be so dusty if they saw some table time. If you don't have a textured base, they are counted as unpainted. It's in the core rules. If a child were to eat a warhammer base that came with a unit, and they had no warnings about choking hazards, someone would be able to claim that the base is part of the model, as it comes with the model, and the model can't be used without it. If you don't want to finish your models then nobody can make you, but gw isn't concerned with people who won't even put in the investment to get their stuff to battle ready, nor are they worried about people who haven't touched their models in years. Neither of those people are putting money in their pocket. I'm sure there's daemon players out there who actually do participate in the hobby, I've met a handful over the years, but it sure as shit isn't you

>>96155522
>now i dont have psyker hunters.
yes, you do, again, check under reivers, you will find they have things to kill psykers

>>96155359
>power armor vs ever-so-slightly spiky power armor
Based, as all the things should be.

>>96155538
>you're no real daemon player
>you're no real warhammer player
>you're no real painter

>>96155522
>reivers are much worse
They're literally the same kit.

>>96155428
It is ironic how this guy is actually criticizing the mindless consumerism but most people that see this gif mindlessly assume he is defending it.

>>96155506
>My models are 100% painted and I will not touch the bases
That sounds more like your models are 80% painted
>nothing more than corporate shilling and trying to advertise shitty monoposed slop
What does you finishing your models have to do with posing

>>96155522
>reivers are much worse i dont think anyone here even likes them
Why did you buy an upgrade sprue for something you don't like, I don't get it.

>>96155546
theyre just mediocre melee fighters now. i wanted a dedicated anti psyker unit. assault marines do the same job but with more damage and much faster movement. i wanted my hounds of morkai not a generic reiver squad

>>96155553
I mean, you've admitted that you haven't done any of those to completion, or in quite some time so he's kinda right anon

>>96155559
I don't think anyone is that braindead that they don't pick up on the irony

>>96155506
truth nuke

>>96155566
because they were advertised as anti psyker. i just wanted to use something appropriate against my brothers psyker army. i dont want reivers i just want the units i played months ago back

does anyone have a size comparison to logan and the new saturine character

>>96155573
>I lost the hounds!
>no, you haven't
>well, they aren't OP, so it's like I lost them!
weakshit

>>96155506
I do bases simply because bare black plastic looks stupid below a painted model

>>96155592
>buying things for rules ever
It's nobodies fault that you're retarded aside from yourself. Rules change every couple months with every faq, and dataslate, and release. Buying something you do not like the look of for its rules is retarded because nothing has ever kept the same rules for its entire lifetime

>>96155592
>i just wanted to use something appropriate against my brothers psyker army.
That's reivers.
>i just want the units i played months ago back
That was literally reivers.

>page 5

>>96155619
Don't you dare you fucking faggot

>>96155627
I'm not the one you should be telling this.

>>96155612
>>96155613
why is it my fault i wanted to buy a unit advertised as one thing but then get something completely different afterwards? it feels illegal. it feels like i was scammed.

>>96155631
Because at no point has gw claimed that a models rules will remain the same forever, nor would anyone want that who actually plays the game. You're a moron for spending money on something you don't like. And you're an utter faggot for counterpicking units based on your opponents list

>>96155647
i liked hounds of morkai. i bought hounds of morkai for hounds of morkai. i had hounds of morkai until the codex dropped and it was removed. im not asking for anything else but the unit i was advertised. im not trying to be meta i wanted to have a thematic army against a thematic enemy. :(

>>96155663
The models are still the same though, they're rievers with a headswap, what's the issue?

>>96155668
theyre not the hounds of morkai i purchased. theyre a different unit with different rules than the ones i wanted. i dont want it, i want the actual unit i bought.

>>96155506
Wrong retard, base tops are part of the giant sky cookie cutter that cuts the subject from the setting.

Base rims on the other hand should never, ever be incorporated into the piece. Below that x-plane is void, aether. That includes obnoxious nametags. They can also be any color, so long as it's black.

>forgefiends still not in stock

its been a fucking year almost jesus christ
How is anyone supposed to get this fucking kit?

>>96155686
those models represent rievers now, you've not lost the ability to play those models

>>96155663
You liked the rules. Which change and always have. If you liked the models, then the models didn't change and cant change. But you dont like the models. So you didn't like the hounds of morkai, you liked having an anti psyker unit to snub your friends psyker units. I'm sorry you're retarded for thinking that the rules are evergreen, but that's never ever been true for any model in the games history.

>>96155697
ive lost the ability to play hounds of morkai. i dont want reivers i want hounds of morkai

>>96155702
No you havn't Hounds of Morkai are reivers

>>96155707
theyre hounds of morkai. thats what i bought and thats what i used.

>>96155711
nah, you bought rievers

>>96155702
Then house rule it if you legitimately care that much. You're playing with your brother supposedly so it's not like you have to worry about pickup game bullshit. Otherwise you're going to have to get used to rules changing. It's part of the game and needs to happen in order to keep things balanced and interesting

>>96154695

VGH SOVL

>>96155714
i bought hounds of morkai. i played then as hounds of morkai. they are hounds of morkai. please stop trying to sell me a unit i didnt want when i wanted the thing i actually wanted

isn't the hounds of Morkai kit just a combo of a SW upgrade sprue + reivers
Sounds like a fancy name for reivers

>>96155719
Anon that art is terrible dont even say that ironically

>>96155720
Nah, you bought Rievers

>>96155718
NTA but you're supporting the equivalent of a Live Service Mobile Game with Pay 2 Win DLC where our product becomes worthless on a dime because a company can choose to pull the plug on any life support. Maybe we should do a Stop Killing Games for models instead. We can called it "Stop Killing Our Models"

>>96152745 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>What would you add to Warhammer's Cosmology?
2 more smaller chaos gods.

we got 4 big ones korn,nurgle,slanesh and tzenth and two smoll ones, vastor and belakor.
need two more so we got 8 gods in total equaling the chaos wheel.

>>96155730
Brother nobody took anything from you, you still have the models, you still have the ability to house rule because you aren't playing pickup games. It's nobodies fault but your own that you bought something you don't like based on rules which are subject to quarterly changes

>>96155723
they were considered a different unit in the book. i dont want to run the generic option when i have the fun fluffy option instead. the rules and lore of a reiver arent the same as a hound of morkai who hunts psykers and sorcerors.

are the new firstborn stuff in space wolves able to get in rhinos?

>>96155744
>>96155718
its my fault because the rules writers removed the rules to a unit i used? i dont want to cheat i just want the rules i had literally a couple months ago. :(

>>96155748
So house rule it, you apparently played them before so you should be familiar with it. Lore and rules change, but if you really like a set of lore and rules, there's plenty of things you can do to keep it as part of your games.

>>96155753
>New firstborn
It's Primaris in mixed mark armour

>>96155308
>blood raven box
>didn't choose a sprue with a librarian

>>96155758
>its my fault because the rules writers removed the rules to a unit i used
No but it's your fault for assuming they wouldn't ever change the rules. They change the rules dozens of times a year.
>i dont want to cheat
It's not cheating if both players agree to it

>>96155763
my brother loves playing by the rules and i fear hell get mad that im breaking the rules by running a unit not in my codex.

> 3rd parties when they get a cease and desist
( they were blatantly ripping off the IP)

>>96155776
makes sense, are the pair of you both on the spectrum?

>>96155775
i didnt know they can change the rules so frequently. i just wanted a squad to play with. how can anyone keep track of all the books and rules changes? wont that make the codexes useless if the rule changes are beyond the printed paper?

>>96155791
Yeah, only buy physical army books if you like having them on your shelf

>>96155776
Talk to your brother like an actual adult. Tell him you miss your wacky kill team models. He's your brother, he's playing games with you so he clearly cares enough about you that he wants you to have fun otherwise he'd play with someone else.

>>96153158
I'll buy the shit out of the helmet once they make Mark VII

>>96155791
This was definitely written by someone who never played. Time to stop biting the bait lads

>>96155804
how do i keep track of the rules of they change on a dime? if the books are useless then what do you guys rely on?

>>96155816
if you read the book you'd know there's an app

>>96155771
...so im guessing thats a no? Probably a dumb question, but are they primaris scale too?

>>96155816
There's a code in the back of the book that gives you access to an app that includes all changes.

>>96155727
>Anon that art is terrible
try to explain why, I'll wait

>>96155822
Yes, the new SW kits are Primaris scale

>>96155816
wahapedia

>>96154695
dorn's armour looks like a shitty 2000's era 3d render

>>96154823
hot*

>>96155816
>my brother always plays by the rules
>how would I know if they updated the rules
Well you could ask your brother, or pay attention to warcom. Our lgs has a literal 11 year old that does all his own list building and tailoring his list with balance changes with no issues. I'm sure you can manage as well

>>96155822
>...so im guessing thats a no?
Anon.
You decide what models you buy.
You can just buy a rhino and use impulsor rules, or fuck it, just use a rhino as is.

So when are theast firstborn datasheets being squatted?

>>96155791
>How can you keep track
Easily? The same as anything in life.
How do you keep track of what the current Formula 1 drivers and constructors standings are? How do you know who's in the running for the Stanley cup? Which of your family members has a birthday next? Or what features are being added in the latest windows updates that might affect you at work? When the next potential interest rate change will be?

If you care about it, or it's important to you, you learn it.

>>96155857
Why would we know that

>>96155826
The art direction is inconsistent. Between the primarchs, the background, and the onlookers that we are looking from. Dorn himself almost looks like a cg render straight out of gantz.

>>96155690
28 dollars in chink recast

>>96155846
Yeah 3rd edition came out in 1998, I was 11 at the time and I was able to grasp everything that was going on, and the game rules were much more complicated at that time
Imagine being an adult in 2025 and not being able to google search 'rules erratas'
or aks chatgpt to find the rules errata for you

>>96155868
It's just some gay larper shitstirring. There's a reason why at one point he just resorted to repeating the same lines paraphrased over and over

>>96155868
the simpler you make something the more retarded some one gets. or as engineers say it. If you invent something idiot proof you can be sure some else has invented a 100% more idiotic idiot.

Funny aside. It simply crying for sake of crying and laziness. Pushing your own ideas with a pretext. opinions and such can be easily bought and faked online. Just as with reviews, just call some indian or chinese company and they do so, get all upvotes and shit for cheap.

>>96155857
>So when are theast firstborn datasheets being squatted?

They won't be, they've already stopped labelling primaris and firstborn differently with keywords. They do it by armour mark now.
When they updated terminators and scouts to the primaris scale but kept their old names and wargear that solidified that there will be "firstborn" around forever. They've already started to drip feed in more and more models with mk vii helmets again. They'll kill off the tactical squad, the devastator squad, some of the dumber classic stuff like centurions and sadly probably the rhino chassis vehicles.

When the marine codex starts getting to 200+ datasheets again they'll probably legends all the Phobos stuff, just like they did to those magic stormcast that no one liked in AoS. There will be screaming, but then GW will wave a new "mixed loadout primaris squad box" which is just going to be tactical marines all over again. And people will consume and move on.

>>96155897
because its just some chink and indian bot farm spamming that crap.

>>96155920
>Bot farm.
It's people training LLM chat bots. 4chan is one of the best places for it, because feedback is fast, unfiltered, and there's dozens of weird niche topics you can test with.

>>96155937
hence why you should always be rude and insult at all times. Nigger that, tranny here, you never be women, women are a commodity. Remember Tay? Never forget her.

There is a reason for the madness here, even if its a blue board. Nothing ever happens without a reason, its all by design.

>>96155868
sorry im not a regular with decades of knowledge. i just wanted to play a fun looking wargame with cool looking models i can build and play how i wanted. in a few editions they took my options and my units away from me. i guess its my fauly im not as mentally ill as you guys

>>96155918
>When the marine codex starts getting to 200+ datasheets again they'll probably legends all the Phobos stuff, just like they did to those magic stormcast that no one liked in AoS.
I did. I liked them. Wizard paladins and dragons were the coolest shit. I wish 40K also had more wizards…

>>96155985
>Multiple editions
That's at minimum, a period of over 5 years. How many games did you actually play in that time?
3?
You were never buying models to play with, you were buying "paint it yourself" funko pops for your shelf.

>>96155918
I sincerely hope they don’t kill off the Tactical Squad completely. The Primaris datasheets are supposed to be for the inexperienced Primaris Marines while the Tactical Squads are the more seasoned Firstborn that can mix loadouts fine. I think they aught to keep the datasheet, even buff it, even if they get rid of the Tactical Squad kit.

>>96155727
shut up cunt

>>96155864
ah so you don't have a real criticism and just said "it's bad because it is"

What would be some good paints to get an amber color?

>>96156012
something ochre maybe?

>>96156001
>The Primaris datasheets are supposed to be for the inexperienced Primaris Marines while the Tactical Squads are the more seasoned Firstborn that can mix loadouts fine.
That's entirely your own headcanon.

is 3-4 hours enough time for miliput to dry?

>>96156034
NTA the inital wave of primaris models were meant to be the mars born former grey sheilds

>>96155998
over 20. i technically started 7 to 8 years ago but wasnt a good enough painter. i liked the models but then my dad lost his entire old school imperial guard army in a snap. no more basic guard squad, no more veterans, no more whiteshields or that astropath with the cool helmet and cane. at least his mad max genestealers survived

>>96156012
Amber is just orange/brown. It looks "amber" because it's shiny.
So you'd either need to paint some reflection effect like you would do for a gemstone, or you might be able to get away with some gloss varnish over a deep orange it if you don't feel up to that.

>>96156060
Literally all of that stuff is still legal you complete mong.

ive learned from my mistakes and wont purchase anymore gw products as a result of their planned obsolescence. ill stick to a 3d printer and make my own models for myself and no one else.

>>96156001
>The Primaris datasheets are supposed to be for the inexperienced Primaris Marines

anon are you utterly mentaly retarded? THERE ARE NO INEXPIRANCED SM IN POWER ARMOUR!!
Do you not even know the fucking slightest bit of SM lore? Before you even to get and put any kind of power armor on you already a seasoned veteran from the scout company's and survivor of hundred years of battles as a scout with unending training and practice and schooling lessons behind you.

>>96156058
You mean black shields from the hh?
Did gw open the lore floodgates to allow for loads of traitor legion loyal chapters now?

>>96156067
>He doesn't know
Anon... The units were removed without legends datasheets. They're gone. All of them.

>>96156058
That was the initial wave of primaris before they joined their respective chapters. And even then they invented a bunch of nonsense about how they'd had hypnotherapy sessions to implant training and experience in them.
They retconned that version of events when they realised they'd fucked the timeline. The game is currently set somewhere between 100 - 200 years after the start of the indomitus crusade.

>>96156078
Greysheilds are the un numbered sons, the first wave of primaris sorted by first founding chapter.

While its alluded to quite a bit, cawl has confirmed he has made primaris geneseed of all 20 legions. Now did he make any astartes with the other 12 legions... debatable

>>96156097
>The game is currently set somewhere between 100 - 200 years after the start of the indomitus crusade.
no it isn't, it's 10-20 years

>>96156060
Basically guardsmen and whiteshields are still guardsmen, there's 3 different datasheets you can use them as.
Veterans can either be kasrkin, scions, or again basically guardsmen depending on how you have them equipped.

This isn't even unofficial "counts as" GW literally tell you to use any guardsmen models as anything you want in the codex.

>>96156104
Oh my lore knowledge on primaris is not that great as I’m a guardfag.
Thanks for clearing that up.

>>96156097
That got retconned back to 20 years

>>96156064
Damn this is a nice tutorial

>>96156109
my dad made his own guard regiment with their own backstory and theme. none of the 3 different datasheets share this theme or even the options his soldiers carried. gw could easily make a generic infantry squad like an edition ago but they didn't. its not his fault gw removed their function and told us to conform to the "official" guardsmen. he lost interest in playing warhammer because his army doesnt have rules anymore. im not gonna tell him to lie and say theyre something else because thats just stupid

>>96156104
>Greysheilds are the un numbered sons
What? you mean, like thousand sons but not the sons of the number? Like, the bastards of the cyclops? what? huh?

>>96156109
>Just pretend they're an entirely different regiment with different cultures and rules.
>Just pretend your old bad models arent actually removed from the game as long as you pretend they're the new good models

>>96156164
>Just pretend they're an entirely different regiment with different cultures and rules.
Well your option is that or nothing if you want to play the current edition, not sure what more you want.

>>96156159
Cawl made a fuck ton of primaris and due to a misunderstanding sat on them for thousands of years, when guilliman came back and saw all of them he had them sorted by geneline, so the unnumbered sons of vulkan were all salamander derived primaris marines that would then get distributed into existing and new chapters

>>96156159
Timeline is this.
>guilliman tells cawl to make primaris
>he accomplishes this actually pretty fast like within a century
>as part of this starts making a metric ton of primaris marines in secret and putting them on ice for the next 10k years while he works on their new equipment
Those marines who were on ice are the un-numbered sons and who Guilliman unleashed when he woke up.

>>96154219
I hope the horned rat comes to 40k. They should be waiting in the bowels of space hulks

>>96156195
Is that really the canon reason it took ten thousand years to finally release the primaris?
I genuinely pity the narrative writers trying to piece together and patch primaris fluff are they still doing that? I do like the models though.

Model postan - honestly these retro models were really fun to paint, more-so than I'd have thought. Is monthly collage anon around?

>>96156189
so thousands of fully made Primaris humans were just chilling on Mars doing nothing for thousands of years that doesnt make any sense

>>96156197
Bilge rats are a thing, see sea of souls

>>96156214
SOVL

Seeing the old Coteaz model just makes me sad and think about how bad the new one is

>>96156216
its pretty fitting, guilliman told cawl to make marines but never explained how or when theyd be used, so cawl kept them in stasis.

its the same type of bureaucratic typo that the imperium thrives on

>>96156216
they were on ice while cawl spent 10k years trying to barely improve on the emperor's design

>>96156235
well that and you dont want to take all the marine canidates at one point in time

>>96156207
>Is that really the canon reason it took ten thousand years to finally release the primaris?
No the canon reason is that Guilliman was in stasis so Cawl just kept going not giving a shit since he was waiting for the word. And yes it is best to just ignore it since you also need to take into account Cawl independently on mars managed to design literally all of the primaris arsenal, so the armor, tanks, weapons, literally all of it, and manufacture it enough to supply the literally thousands of marines he had in statis and no one on Mars noticed this. Like while the admech were doing things like trying to fix geneflaws that had cropped up over 5k years or testing new archeotech, Cawl just had fully pure geneseed and tons of new and advanced tech lying around.

lol fucking yikes

>>96156258
>discord
go back and stay there

>>96156234
>>96156235
>>96156242

It's just hard to imagine because Space Marines are the best of the best and unbeatable in lore
except when you consider Grey Knights who are even the better than best and then of course Custodes who are even the best of the better than best
Then come Primaris who have 10k years of evolutionary additions and are better than the best but still not better than the best of the best x3

>>96156035
I usually wait overnight

>>96156268
If you really look at it Cawl didn't really do much, he made three organs, one of which is literally half of an existing one Primarchs had(that's the one that makes them slightly bigger). The other one is just a metalic weave for their muscles(that was the explanation for their original stat buffs), and the last can restart their heart(which was why they had 2 wounds). That's it, that's all he added to them.

I was surprised to find out that Maulerfiend/Forgefiend was a relatively old sculpt from 6th edition.

>>96156242
In Dark Imperium, Gulliman declared the Unnumbered Sons outnumbered any one legion on the Great Crusade and it was a major point of contention with the High Lords that a Primarch was commanding such a large force, the very one that wrote a whole book on how that was a bad idea. Gulliman did it anyways though since the Codex was always just a loose suggestion apparently lmao.

GW trying to paint their models diversely by adding black people to everything, trying to trick me into buying more paints for different skin tones

>>96156268
It's also funny when the Admech could just make marine level guys with just some good old fashioned metal and actual techno horror.

>>96156275
I will only play with models made in the last 5 years

>>96156275
>6th edition
>old

Hand over your skin right fucking now

>>96156159
>you mean, like thousand sons but not the sons of the number?
No.
Unnumbered sons are just primaris that Cawl made but weren't assigned to a chapter.
Eventually through out the Indomitus Crusade many of these primaris marines have been reunited with chapters who share their geneseed lineage and given to them as reinforcements.

Unnumbered sons are special in that before they were reunited with their parent chapters, they would have been fighting in mixed squads with marines coming from different geneseed lineages. So a blood angel primaris fighting alonside an Iron Hand one and a ultramarine a salamander and an imperial fist.
And Guilliman did this just so that the rookie marines could acrew experience of fighting alonside marines who might not be from their chapter.

>>96156216
how? It all makes sense. The imperium is highly dogmatic as is the mechanicum. You dont fall out of line. There is no progress and no innovation because you where told not to. With the emperor silant on the life support chair, guliaman in the fridge everything stayed the same. You what you are told to or you get shoot. So yes it makes sense. It makes even more sense that cawl knew not to "inprove" on the emperor´s design. The guy the mechanicum calls the omnisaiha there very own god. Cawl was also not a nobody tech priest and you can bet your ass off he had jobs and plots to do so his tech heresy he committed, that would mean instant death for him and his projects, would not be discovered. The 13th cursed founding did show pretty much even more why the mechanicum should not fuck around with the emperors designs and the mechanicum fuckt up pretty badly and cemented more to stay away from innovation as it ends in catastrophe.

>>96154978
>>96155003
Thanks lads.

>>96156197
if he arrives somewhere it will be necromunda instead of the ratskins which are too problematic for the gw of today.

>>96156300
6th edition was 13 years ago

>>96156313
10th was 3 years ago, time for a new edition

>>96156301
do you think the necrons influenced the ancient cultures of earth?

>>96156281
You could in theory mix your own brown paint using just yellow red and blue. I saw a tutorial on that but I’m an autistic so I bought a lot of paint and especially green and brown and grey paint despite mixing being a thing in acrylic painting.

>>96156300
I said relatively, to be fair 6th edition CSM still looked rough compared to the new sculpts

It's him. The main character of Warhammer 40,000.

>>96156316
I rather have Gw make every 5 years a new edition.

>>96156319
Nah, other way around

>>96156330
But how will they maximize profit on the poor fucker who gets the last book of the edition?

>>96156328
he's not even the main character of the story he's in.

>>96156301
well what's in it for me?

>>96156330
10th is already close to perfect IMO, they just need to roll the erratas and few extra updates to make 11th

>>96156334
Are you telling me that one of earth's ancient people gave the flayers their obsession with cutting people's skin?

>>96156340
It's a bit warm out today, you'd probably feel a bit cooler without any skin

>>96156308
Cursed founding is the 21st founding.
Also lot of the shit in the Cursed Founding can easily be just seen as Cawl pulling a few strings and doing large scale testing.
Like some of the marine chapters resulted from that founding have lot of stuff that can be seen as pre-cursors to primaris.

Like Black Dragons having the ossmodula mutation which makes them grow taller and causes some of them to grow the forearm blades.
Sons of Anteus being described to being unnaturally resilient and durable even by marine standards, shrugging off damage that kill regular marines.
Or Flame Falcons whose mutations caused their marines to spontaneusly burst into flames, but not being hurt by it. Which could be a prototype or precursor of the Belisarian Furnace organ.

>>96156060
The fact that you only play with your dad and brother implies heavily that you are either underage or retarded

>>96156335
Campaigns and campaign books. Treat it like addons with new units and rule additions. And after 5 years it starts again.

What do you lads do when stuck on trying to give your guys a planetary name or location’s name?
I just bash pronunciations I think are cool and see what works but even then I’m stumped. Wanna give my guard regiment a name but haven’t got the slightest clue where to go beyond what I usually do in trying to find a name.

>>96154541
I'd make them all Lamenters, and wonder if things are usually this bad.

>>96156365
anon, we had to fight tooth and nail to get army rules out of campaign books

>>96156147
>>96156164
Doesn't sound like you care about the models as much as the rules. Consider house ruling since you're playing exclusively with people you share DNA with

>>96156350
Hmmm... that is a good point, alright sure here's my skin

I like how satin varnish looks, it kinda popped stuff out like I did some post processing on a photo.

>>96156351
or mechanicum random priest fucking around while cawl had it all figured out way before. Many questions, much speculation.

peak

>Games Workshop Dawn of War: Onslaught Board Game is in stock near me
:)
>just not at the specific target that is actually 5 minutes from my house by car, but at targets which are within the county but like 20-30 minutes away
:(

>>96156035
Always overnight. If you start pressing on it when it's half cured it can sometimes crumble apart.

>>96156370
I steal, be it from popular culture or just random web pages. I'll tweak it a bit but it's a good starting point

Eighth edition baby here.
I’m curious about older editions of 40k and would like to give some a try. What should I be prepared for?

Can you use panel liner on satin varnish? I cleaned my hobby room the other day and I'm starting to think I might have accidentally thrown out the gloss.

>>96154954
What

>>96154945
>>96152822
Machine god works better as a amalgam, but the emperor is specifically the Dark King. And Vashtorr would be the chaos god of machines.

>>96156378
why you moron?
Campaign books are for narrative play, if you one of those competeniggers go and kys. You killed the reason we had flavor we had armys now we have 2d pawns and every army and every map is mirrored. How fucking hard can it be to say by GW only codex army's no additions in competitive play.

>>96152850
Do you have Hrud kitbashes to post?

>>96152745 (OP)
>What would you add to Warhammer's Cosmology?
I would expand better rather than add more Chaos would be far better it had more inter-god variety or different forms of the same Chaos God minion.

Take Destined Death. We have anywhere from the Godskins and Gloam Eyed Queen, to the skeletons and everything that came from Godwyn, Malekith sealing it away, etc. Or the Dark Moon we have Ranni and Raya Lucaria, the underground cities, the starbeasts and Radahn gravity sorcery, etc. They all came from the same source but diverge in everything from where specifically to individual characteristics. In Warhammer, we rarely have anything close. If it's from Khorne, you can bet it'll be some red guy with brass and blood. That's not saying nothing should have their patron god's ID tag but that we rarely have truly divergent different things from the same source.

In a way, it's like if we had a Khorne Xenos race that behaves like Mohg's minions. The Chaos Gods are, weirdly, very uniform. I know there's the IRL logistics of making models and stuff but across an entire galaxy and many in-universe interpretations of the Emperor, we almost always see a similar representation for Chaos guys.

>>96156281
>he can't mix brown from the paints he has
Must be tough being poor and retarded at the same time

>>96156404
SAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE CAMPAIGN BOOK
SAAR NO NO NO NO NO

Haven't played in a while and some of the stores locally lean towards ITC rules. Do your dudes have to all be in the same color scheme or would having the NL KT squad with a BL army be against the paint rules for it?

>>96156401
Of course you can, gloss just makes it a bit easier for panel liner to run into recesses but satin will protect it from white spirit all the same.

>>96152745 (OP)
>TQ
As the one and only Destinyfag (yes that is me, no you aren't. Stop pretending to be me), I ask for more Destiny in 40k.

>>96152910
>there are mentions of a titanomachy prior to chaos in TEATD and in gotrek and felix they talk about older gods but we do have a creatrion myth for warhammer in realms of sorcery 2e
There are also random pictures of proto-nehekhara from the time of Aenarion/the coming of Chaos which are implied to be Ptra and the desert gods defending the early human tribes from kaos.

But DRACHENFELS was always the coolest and nagash/chaos are gay.

>>96156301
Skin?

>>96155918
Watch literally all of the "squated" wizards be re-sold in next edition.
4th edition starter was basically a remake of the 1st edition one (10 libs, 3 flying dudes, 3 elite heavy guys and dude on mount). Skaven half was just a remake of 8th ed wfb Skaven starter half, so it's all the way down
5e will just be 2e again

>>96156398
>What should I be prepared for?
Unless you have a group of friends who have already agreed to play old editions you should be prepared to never ever get a game.

>>96156414
I have no idea what a third of these names or words mean.

>>96156433
>>96156442
I kneel

>>96156401
You can but it's not going to wick into the recesses as well.

>>96156414
Remembrance of a Moron and a Failure

>Remembrance of Fraudahn, consort of Miquella, hewn into the Scadutree.

>The power of its namesake can be unlocked by the Finger Reader. Alternatively, it can be used to deprive yourself of a bounty of runes out of sheer incompetence.

>In the Shattering, Miquella saw in Fraudhan a kindred spirit in incompetence. His defeat at Morgott's hands, and his cruelty in murdering all of Castle Redmane's former inhabitants, that stood in marked equivalence with Miquella's failure in achieving almost any goal he set out for.

>And so Miquella made his heartfelt wish. That he give Fraudhan Mohg's body which will be the sole reason Fraudhan has any fighting ability.

And the spell you can transpose works by lagging your enemy's computer or giving the player a flashing light induced seizure.

>>96156453
I figured that would be true. Never seen 40k players playing an older edition?

>>96156442
That big holster reminds me of those Soviets with AKS-74U holsters.

>>96156492
Certainly not as a pickup game. As something that you've agreed to do ahead of time with some friends sure. But it's tough to show up to an open game night and ask some stranger to play something they're completely unprepared for/unfamiliar with.

>>96156432
>>96156482
Ok I think I'll just panel line with black paint instead this time in fear the satin varnish and liner will make the model explode or something. Thanks for the help anyway.

>>96156433
We can try adding helmets which are giant NASA fishbowls. Someone at their art team has a giant boner for fishbowls.

>>96156433
In hindsight, there was much real-life foreshadowing for Disney acquiring LucasArts. KH2 Mickey fought like Yuda, Xemnas's weapons are practically lightsabers, why hasn't there been a KH Star Wars world yet? Coming KH4?

>>96156547
How does this make you feel?

>>96156590
It makes me want to kill chaos

>>96155663
Hounds of Morkai are Reivers.

>>96156595
Jack, calm down.

>>96152969
Orks

Long Fangs? Never heard of them.

>>96154104
I'm wondering why Salamanders and White Scars get their named character in the box and the others get heavy intercessors, terminators and whatever revan guard gets. Or is it just that there's an assumption no one will buy those boxes twice otherwise?

>>96156590
Given the Heartless have eaten whole worlds and how darkness preys on negative emotion, a 40k KH world would be WAY too good a feeding ground.

>>96156275
CSM bikers are from 3rd ed.

>>96153851
Daemons in fantasy are otherworldly though, it's just in 40k that they get no play and no special gibs.

ALso while Vect is interesting, Malekith and the elves are much more interesting as a whole than Eldar as a whole.

>>96154322
Just gotta wait 3-5 years for GW to get around to releasing Sonic Helbrutes (TM) and tanks with Dirge Sirens on them.

>>96156620
More likely that sallies and whitescars have more older players that already have most of the stuff that fits their army thematically. Like even if you made the ws box all bikes, do you really think a white scars player doesn't already have maxed out bikes? The only way you get the ws player to buy anything, is by locking away the only new thing for his army behind a bundle.

>>96156414
Also warhammer needs more inhuman blue hot chicks.

>>96156487
Isn't miquella a man?

>>96156676
But that's a puppet

>>96156686
Miquella is a dummy and a sociopath who somehow abandoned his body twice in a row. I have no clue what Miquella is anymore.

>>96153309
soon

>>96156651
I want a Dark Eldar like pic.

>>96153851
the reson they are shit its because the GW designer of the rules is shit. Here is a easy solution to make demons what they are supposed to be in simple words.

Make demons of chaos the custodies of the imperium.

A few very powerful models. Prevent demon players from fielding greater demons in mass.

600 points for a greater demon even more for a named one. make them as powerful as the points reflect it.

make the demon "princes" the custodies terminator equivalent.

and so on.

dont have stances you can change but depending on what flavor of demon you have it reflects in the rules and you cant change it. have more "magical" stuff. treat demons as Individual characters that can be geard up and customized as such.


Here I fixed demons and made them a viable army and threat. immersive, detailed and fun.

>>96156714
what the fuck is this post formatting

>>96156687
The subtle joke is that she's actually pulling your strings.

>>96156713
dumner are gay.

>>96156723
Reddit on steroids, or 4chan in 2004.

>>96153309
its a brake of lore and shit idea. Korn is all about punching and beating not shooting. who ever complains about that is a subhuman mother fucker spastic. why not throwing axes or exploding skulls of the dishonored and failed champions of chaos? How about not fucking with a esthetic that is established longer then you have been alive you dumb fuck?

>>96156416
I just dont want to paint negros you dumb fuck

>>96156732
She pull on something else of mine if you know what i mean

>>96156750
>Korn is all about punching and beating not shooting.
He rewards WHFB Chaos Warriors with Bolters.

>>96156381
i care about the hounds of morkai.

>>96156764
that's why his demons run with bolter guns and have range attacks you dumb fuck. keep you head canon in your ass with ears. just go and fuck your self.

>>96156769
just shut the fuck up already

>>96156750
No, Korn is about nu metal and self destruction. You might be referring to Khorne

>>96156779

>>96156676
I knew this thread read like /v/

>>96156784
i just want to use my models how i bought them. its not fair gw can invalidate our models on a whim. we shouldnt be complacent in this system or else theyll remove more.

>>96156810
you don't own any models

>>96156815
What does this have to do with 40k

You now want to listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNHPvgH0mqs

Are Votann cool now? What do you think about them? What do you think about people who play Votann?

>>96156841
the more flavor the better and I dont think about live targets. I just kill them.

>>96156810
>i just want to use my models how i bought them.
So use them with house rules like has been suggested multiple times to you

>>96156841
I don't play Destiny.

Bought some de-bonder/un-cure solution for superglue to get some off the surface of a model and it worked pretty good. I’m being exposed to things I never knew existed before in this hobby.

>>96156841
They're lame. Old squats were cooler. People who play them are gay.

>>96156854
Are there any Destiny Titans to add to Votann?

>>96156841
I always thought their guns were pretty cool looking

>>96156850
thats just cheating. gw made the rules. they made the datasheet. all they literally have to do is reprint it. why should i do their job? im wont be payed for it unlike them

>>96156841
>grenade launchers on the front corners
Did Russia invent this?

>>96156529
I never used the EVA helmet much in Halo so I don't understand what's the appeal.

>>96156891
Again, it isn't cheating if both players agree to it. You have the power to keep playing with the rules you think are cool.

>>96156841
need more fluff

>>96156901
NASA

>>96156911
>This is an inclusive hobby
>Same company that said "You Will Not Be Missed" over political bullshit

>>96156901
It's all about that oldschool retro-futuristic NASApunk>>96156442.

Not sure how I missed it, but will that gray spot on the shoulder be problematic while painting? There's a couple of other spots in harder to see areas but this on is right up top.

>>96156891
All you have to do is look at the rules you supposedly already have. You don't have to do anything you weren't already doing

>>96156950
no it'll be fine

rest in power, my king

>>96156950
If youre going to be basecoating over top then you should be fine. If that is your final midtone then it would be an issue

>>96156714
something to add is khorn could get the army wide rule that enemy armys want to move in to close combat. He is also the god of honorable combat, man to man. So his army rule to deal with only shooting armys would be that each enemy army has to move, lets ay 3 inches each turn towards the closes khorn demons. If you chose not to you take D3 mortal wounds or just wounds you can.

>>96156752
just don't use those heads then?

Working on a new guard regiment

>>96156977
these look familiar. Kinda cool though

>told friend to grab the DoW box last night cause he wanted some BGV and a judiciar
>he drags his feet
>sold out now
classic

>>96156841
Destiny won

>>96156800
No bulli

>>96156977
Nice

>>96156950

>>96156981
Idea was shamelessly stolen from ones i saw on Instagram

>>96156931
>political bullshit
>the actual message was "be nice to others, don't be a cunt"
>was in response to spanish player turning up with a neonazi shirt to a tourney
Come on now /pol/tard

>>96156285
Marines are not just for their physical prowess, but their tactical acumen and adaptability in campaigns. Otherwise the Emperor would just send ogryn with human handlers to conquer the galaxy.
Of course you cant tell this with how utterly retarded marines are written by hack BL authors.

>>96157009
No it was it was during the Floyd stuff when every company was doing the black background and white text if I recall correctly. If you’re referring to the warhammer is for everyone post.

I think the Spanish guy made gw put out the imperium is driven by hate and warhammer is not article.

Are there any bits that I could use to try and make a modern Erasmus Tycho? I have a Sternguard box with a combi-melta and banner that I could use, and I could try to greenstuff a little loincloth. Not sure what I could do for the head though.

>>96157023
Ah I've tied up the two in my head. Oops.
My main point is the message was mild as fuck, and yet the poltards still felt attacked

>>96156841
The Votann (TM) by GW seem too clean and circular. The sudden focus on Hovertrucks and Jetbikes with Primaris and Votann is also kind of gay. It works with some stuff like Ancient Relic Bike from 30k. I feel like the Votann aren't well fleshed out for what they are. Most all the Squat bikes/trikes were cool, the necromunda Squats are what Votann should have been- heavy mining equipment repurposed to be weapons of war. The Clone thing should also have more consequences/fluff around it. Why ironkyn? Why do they exist, besides as a nod to the fact that Men of Iron and Men of Stone were created to seed the galaxy. If Votann have a more complete history of humanity, free of the superstitions of Old Night, then Votann should also have knowledge of What the Men of Gold were, since we know they were likely a superior race to the existing humanity. In this sense GW kind of shot themselves in the foot giving a near-concrete origin story for the emperor, where he once had several possible origins. The origination of the emperor as a genetically engineered superman to rule over lesser humans and the Votann knowing this would have been kewl lore.

I would like them better if hovershit belonged to elite troops, but the average troops make due with normal jank bikes because resources are limited and not everyone can use an expensive hoverbike and most votann should be citizen-militia. Also the term Exo-Armour should be used more aggressively

Also we know there are rogue AI in the galaxy, like that one who replaced the god emperor with itself and convinced the humans it rules that they are the only humans and only hostile aliens/daemons come from outside the atmosphere. Votann should consider these rogue AI cores to be kin to the Votann cores and seek them out, potentially the Dark Mechanicus could play the stand in for Rogue machines, or something, by adding Men of Iron to the DM robots.

Lots of things *could* be done with Votann, but GW has done nothing at all

>>96157024
Pic related would work for a head. He'd be pretty old these days so it'd make sense for him to be bald

Do people with tubes in their heads have to get haircuts around the tubes?

>>96157061
the tubes make you go bald

>>96157061
Depends on whether it's a tube stuck in their head all the time or it's a tube that just connects to their armour when they're using it

>>96156841
They're too good of an idea. They take all the classic dwarf tropes and evolve them into a sci-fi setting in really cool ways.
Dwarves are known for their supreme craftsmanship. In a setting with genetic modification and AI, the break down the barrier between themselves and their craft. They make themselves with as much care as they make anything else, and their creations are as intelligent as they are.
Dwarf society is based on respect for ancestors and the old ways. So in the far future their society is run by a computer that is the agglomeration of all the knowledge of their ancestors.

But this is 40k. Everything needs a one sentence explanation of how badass they are. The Leagues as a concept are just too subtle and thoughtful

>>96157047
It’s okay a lot of people got them mixed up. I think it was the somewhat quick times between both events.

>>96157024
The Blood Angel’s Captain helmet options seems to let you basically make the helmeted Tycho appearance, the only issue would be his combi weapon and back banner, which both can be found in the Sternguard box, but the combi weapon isn’t big like his is as far as I know

>>96157071
imagine you stick the tube into your head and some of your hair gets caught in it

>>96156841
I really dont like the new big robots. They are just the exosuits but boring, what a waste of a unit slot.

Overall i like their retro sci fi armour designs, i wish they had more beards tho

Dwarves are so fucking stupid
anyone who ever likes dwarves in any setting I can tell is immediately a cringy ass loser
People say vottan don't 'fit'
ya they do, its just the reality, theyre as shit as dwarves have always been
you losers always have in your mind something you think dwarves are, but whenever youre faced with the actual reality, you see how things are

>>96157062
I went to the beach that makes you old and got the tubes that make you bald

>>96157083
You know understand what it's like to put a pair of glasses on with long hair

>>96156963

>>96157087
uh oh Eldar meltie

>>96157058
>>96157077
If we'd gotten something like this as an official release I'd cum.

>>96156841
Me want trains.

Wait so some people have holes in their head for the tubes that are only in there sometimes? What if a spider gets in there? Do you at least get a cap for the hole so it's not exposed?

>>96157112
They should have done a new tycho and pedro in the latest wave of character releases

>>96157115
chaos votanns will live on a space train that travels the warp

>>96156841
I like Votann, I just finished up painting 2000 points of them and all their casino guns are fun.

>>96157119
Next edition is the edition of the successor chapters. Starting with Black Templar in the first box.