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>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Gay Bolas
https://e621.net/post/index/1/nicol_bolas

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

>TQ
What's your favorite Voltron commander?

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96164004
Wait I thought modern spider man was just wearing an iron man suit?

>>96163999 (OP)
TQ: thrun, the last troll and Tifa Lockhart.

Asking this again in the previous thread that just died: Is a dimir fransisco/Malcolm pirate deck with a bunch of 1-2 mana pirates with evasion and time sieve considered too strong for bracket 2 and 3 because it's capable of chaining extra turns, even if I run no gamechangers?

>>96164023
This it the origin of Spiders-man

>>96164004
So the way this card works you're making a regular spider into the legendary hero, there's no "man" part involved.
Why the fuck doesn't it make a human token so it can turn it into a spider-man with the 2nd ability?

>>96164004
This set seems ridiculously underpowered so far.

>>96163999 (OP)
>What's your favorite Voltron commander?
Currently Mistform Ultimus. Bring out a bunch of tribal support creatures/enchantments, benefit from all of them the moment he drops. It's like a singular version of Slivers, it's quite neat

>TQ
I wish it wasn't a Dr. Who card but oh well. Stacking keywords is cooler than auras.

>>96164044
>>96164036
It's the origin of Man-Spider

>>96163999 (OP)
what if this was the mimeoplasm? was that what they were going for originally?

>>96164044
>you're making a regular spider into the legendary hero, there's no "man" part involved.
literal skill issue

https://archidekt.com/decks/11236366/myr
Could use some help with shit to cut to put in more protection.

>>96164046
It's a good thing Edge Of Eternities set the bar so low then power wise

>>96164023
every spider man has always been bitten by a radioactive spider. what powers he actually gets from that vary, but it's at least "spider sense," standard superhero strength and durability, and being able to crawl up walls. the movies have all shown different outcomes in this, (I think (I didn't watch any besides the first couple)).

>>96164044
probably marvel said so. it's already weird as a 2/1 reach in white, then by the time you can attack it's a 3/2 for 2 mana, and if it survives it threatens 6 damage on the next turn. it's really off from a draft perspective. if you're curving into it, unless you played a 1 mana human it's like >>96164044 says and it makes a legendary spider spider hero (named "Spider").

>>96164004
Why is the Angry Video Game Nerd on the card?

>>96164004
this card is ASS

>>96163999 (OP)
>What's your favorite Voltron commander?
Gisela and Horde of Notions. Only ones I ever made and they are a lot of fun.

For Horde I played all the dual lands, fetches, and good equipment with all the tutors. Mana curve capped out at 5, and it had all the good small creatures. Every creature was a threat in that deck.

>>96164004
Why isn't this green

>>96164069
The entire ramp section that doesnt have the word Myr in it.

>>96164186
i assume marvel demanded some level of
>white = heroic

otherwise, Mono-G does not have access to double strike, it always requires something else to grant it. One of the hard pie rules WOTC sticks to.

>>96164211
Which one of us has to go home, one of us is drunk

>>96164004
>oh you have a broken saga, enchantment, artifact, creature and planeswalker out?

Continuation from previous deck: I put in lands and some more card draw as well as some interaction. Now, I'm at 129 cards and my deck is somehow torn between reanimator shenanigans and combos.
Help me cut 29 cards so that I don't have to sacrifice either strategy (or tell me that I need to either get rid of the sculpting steel/blood artist strategy or the big artifact reanimator strategy)

https://moxfield.com/decks/auKSHnz7sEiSN9d9abI8Yg

Thoughts and advice on my Rowan deck?

https://moxfield.com/decks/QVt55Xp0wkqafFgFhOn9YQ

>>96164219
I'm tired of all the UB stuff just being jeskai for the good guys, and grixis for the bad guys.

>>96164264
Plenty of villains are ub or rb

>>96164256
why she so grumpy

>>96164069
I don't see frogmyr enforcer or myr sire
I'd swap to versions of counterspells and wipes that don't have double or triple pips in them. do you expect to hardcast triumphant reckoning?
I get wanting chromatic orrery, but you have a total of 35 colored symbols out of all casting costs, I'm not sure if it's needed.

>>96164274
Read the flavor text, she got enough of bureaucracy (as any sane person would do)

>>96164264
FF had plenty of black-aligned heros.

>Cecil
>Shadow & Interceptor
>Kain
>Vincent
>Fang

>>96164050
She feels like an alternate take on Skullbrair and I like her for that. Don't know anything about Dr. Who though so I could never really get myself to play her.

>>96164264
Sephiroth was mono black, Dimir, or Boros.

>>96164313
She's a cunt. Basically all you need to know.

>>96164270
>>96164310
>>96164321
I should have specified better, I mean the subsets of those are well. Every villain is either grixis or one of its subset colors, all the heroes are jeskai or one of its sub colors.
Obviously there are some exceptions, FF and fallout were good about it, but I mostly mean in general.

>>96164364
Because it fits almost all of those characters. If you want to argue The Master or Eggman aren't black then go ahead. Waste of time.
Can you name all these heroes/villains that should not have been in any of those three colors?

Also it's 3 colors so getting mad the character has ANY of those colors in their identity is retarded.

>>96164004
Extremely impressed they didn't go with the "Miles" version.

>>96164395
Because it is showing Parkers origins, retard. There will certainly be a Miles card.

>>96164310
As always, FF Chads can't stop WINNING.

>>96164404
Miles has the exact same origin story you actual retard.

>>96164313
The doctor accidentally makes her immortal with alien technology whilst trying to save her life. She, him and the audience all end up wishing he hadn't.

>>96164443
I will laugh my ass of if miles is mono black or orzhov

just got cards revealed for
>Peter Park // Amazing Spiderman
>Spider-ham
>Noir
>2099
>Peni Parker

>>96164310
Kain is a villain

>>96164414
So true bestie

>>96164485
kain is a stupid character, he just flip flops between friend and enemy until the game decides "all right he cool"

>>96164443
No he didn't, how dare you compare the experience of a black person to a white person

>>96164485
he gets controlled by golbez a few times, but joins the party in full as a hero.

>>96164503
He has a stupid card too. Like seriously what do I do with this

>>96164535
no one really cares

>>96164285
I'll get on making some changes

>>96164548
Stop posting it.

>>96164468
Post them

Recommend me some zombie tribal commanders. Something less mainstream than Wilhelt or that Esper fucker if possible.

>>96164535
>not including Beavers

Garbage. Unplayable. Set sucks, lets fast forward to Lorwyn already.

>>96164548
>Peni
s.

>>96164548
is this a vehicle that they chose to not make a vehicle?

>>96164554
Be a Chad and build Gothfu.

>>96164535
>Hate marvel
>Hate spiderman
>Like the design of this card because it's a better Varolz

>>96164584
neat

>>96164554
She's good

>>96164574
>webslinging

ENOUGH WITH THE SET UNIQUE MECHANICS WIZARDS YOU FUCKING COCK SUCKING RETARDS

ENOUGH

>>96164548
How the fuck do I even say this?

>>96164625
This one is actually good desu

how do you win with this commander

>>96164554
This one
>>96164614

Helps Zombies but will not make your deck remotely dependent on your commander.

>>96164620
That is how magic has worked ever since it started anon

>>96164637
You don't
You just have a fun time politics

>>96164640
Yes exactly why I like her! She's the icing in the cake but if shes removed it's no big deal

>>96164637
you dont, its bad. Its completely
>politics

All it does is grant ward - 4 life to you and your permanents. Otherwise giving a free copy of a spell to an opponent is basically hoping they do something good with it.

>>96164574
This card kind of sucks

>>96164625
>Miguel getting a stupid time travel flavor mechanic
I fucking hate it, stop associated my boy with that shit already.

>>96164574
This is... Bad

>>96164625
if you have to wait until it's the future, isn't it no longer the future?

>>96164574
I like the flip side for my Doctor deck but having to cast and then transform him is too much of a pain.

>>96164657
It's Peter

>>96164667
given it has a casting cost on the other side. I assume you can cast both.

>>96164671
Oh, I didn't notice that actually.

>>96164671
Oh... That's... An interesting point

So happy I’ll be able to buy spider-packs for a reasonable cost!

Why are no wort players running pic related?

>>96164681
Probably not. You seen what dorks are trying to charge of EoE boxes? The new normal is everything being hyper inflated.

>>96164668
To my memory, no version of 2099 has been Peter.
There have been a number of Miguel's across the different comic earths, but I don't believe any of them have been named Peter.

https://moxfield.com/decks/6cW9M7hZs0WnXU7Pj9RMdg

what card do I remove from this deck to keep it at 100? I'd rather not touch any counter spells or legendary creatures

>>96164574
am i mis-reading his second side ability.

>each legendary spell you CAST that's one or more colors has web slinging GWU

Normally i see it worded like "X cards in your hand have alternative casting cost", does granting a spell an alternative cost work?

>>96164594
Can she keep up?
>>96164640
>>96164614
Good suggestion!

Got anything fun in multicolor too?

>>96164625
Finally. An Izzet guy I actually want to build.

>>96164652
He's okay. I like that he simultaneously fills the slot of a 4 and 2 drop.

>>96164719
This is just going to be the Henzie situation again where they eratta

>>96164720
Only multicolor zombie commander I ever played was Gisa and Geralf. It was ok, I guess. Similar effect, too. But they aren't a zombie themselves.

>>96164687
Which Wort? I run this handsome devil in Zada and it a performs fine, but it looks so cool I could never remove it.

>>96163999 (OP)
>TQ
Was Noyan-Dar for the longest time but spell-slinging Voltron with Lyse Hext is more fun.

>>96163999 (OP)
>What's your favorite Voltron commander?
Well he ain't my boy but the brotha is heavy

>>96163999 (OP)
>What's your favorite Voltron commander?
The only one worth playing

>spiderman is whitewashed
a dark day for the dark community

>>96164554
Cryptbreaker my beloved.

>>96164762
Forgot pic

>>96164004
why the fuck is this a rare lmao

>All these new Spider tribal cards
>Very few of them are actual spiders
>Very few mono green or Golgari ones so far
>Most of my friend group already pulling out their wallets for booster boxes of the set and the Avatar one like they did for LotR
>They all utterly despise anything Sonic-related
I’m becoming very tempted to pull this trigger just for the sole purpose of pissing them off. Spite is one hell of a motivator.

>>96164681
If you didn't preorder these in 1979, you've missed out.

>>96164778
i think we are on downwards slope. EoE also seemed pretty low power.

>>96164789
Do it. I'd suggest you build Sonic himself to include as many of the Sonic cards as you can if you want to mine the maximum level of salt.

>>96164789
I going to buy exactly one (1) card

>>96164004
>not making the spider fight your own creature to turn it legendary

>>96164778
>pay $8 for a pack
>get alaborn musketeers as your rare

>>96164548
There better be an anime waifu variant

>>96164535
WHY THE FUCK DOES MY DREAM ANIMAL-TRIBAL SUPPORT CARD HAVE TO BE THIS PIECE OF SHIT?????

>>96164574
you can tell wizard actually put effort in the FF cards because instead of inventing scrimblo bimbo mechanics they actually used all mtg already had

>>96164866
Volo's better

>>96164795
So was FF.
They probably don't want to have to keep banning 500 standard cards a year and are lowering standards power.

>>96164866
Proxy out the universe within version.

>>96164866
Boar or spider...?

>>96164936
If you wanted spider there are already better options.

>>96164936
monogreen bats

>>96164866
lol, lmao even

>>96164976
I'm legitimately mad. I've wanted a "forest animal" commander like this for like 20 fucking years

What do you guys do when you are overflowing with options for your deck

>>96164981
neither Radagast did it for you?

>>96164993
Not in the least. If Radagast the Brown had a Winota-esque effect instead then yeah I would've ran that

>>96165015
nigga thats nuts

>Watch youtube game
>Go to look up the decklists
>Bracket 2
Am I retarded or is this deck a lot stronger than that? https://moxfield.com/decks/44VuqfYHNEi9MQa0VRjsMQ

>>96164987
I pick the best options and dump the rest.

>>96164987
Think about what I want my theme to be and cut the cards that don't fit the theme as well

>>96164004
>>96164535
>>96164548
>>96164574
>>96164618
>>96164625
>highlight first look cards are irredeemable dogshit
Spidershart is going to make bloomburrow look like urzas saga. This set is an easy skip

>>96164548
I like Peni purely because she was designed by Gerard Way of My Chemical Romance and it makes me happy that she's so quickly become one of the bigger Spiderverse names thanks to the movie and Marvel Rivals :)

>>96164866
Play test cards

>>96165066
All legendary so far too. Will be interesting to see how much of anon's prediction comes true.

>>96165068
>not having the MARVEL logo being the immediate skip check

>>96165110
I miss when they were Marvel Comics so much it's unreal

>>96165050
>signets
>in a green deck
is this nigga retarded?

brackets are not defined by game changers, they're defined by the intent of the deck + the restrictions + the game changers.

>>96164897
I hope the reign of terror of the Play Design team has finally been ended. Nothing but broken garbage since they took over and switched design philosophies.

For the (mostly) new players ITT, Magic has gone through many ages of design changes, and the designers and developers have been very transparent about their approach. As of around 2010, Magic started "New World Order", a design philosophy in which they believed most new players would mostly see common cards, and that complexity was the biggest barrier to entry into the game. Therefore they decided to make commons simpler, to lower the barrier to entry. At that time each Magic set had a design team, and a development team. Design made the set's cards and mechanics, development adjusted the costs and power of cards to create a balanced environment.

Flash forward to now, and Magic's design philosophy has changed. They discovered that new players were happy to learn MOUNTAINS of Magic cards, mechanics, and jargon if it meant they'd be having fun with their friends. Effectively, the training wheels were off; if there's fewer limits on complexity that they thought, Magic could be as complex as it wanted.

(1/2)

>>96165123
should have gatekept/socially bully comic book readers harder

>>96165127
(2/2)

Enter Play Design. The traditional Magic design and development became Vision Design, and Play Design. The new goals of these groups: For Vision design, it was to map out the space in which a set's mechanics COULD exist. You basically give them a prompt "Space Set" and they throw shit at a board, playtest mechanics, and make a basic skeleton of something that might work. Then comes Play Design. They determine what is actually in the set, its power level, everything. And their philosophy isn't about balance, it isn't about simplicity. They discovered that what gets people into the game is memorable moments. So in their finite playtests, they look to amp up card power, and create an environment, an experience, that is not necessarily balanced, but is appealing. And that is why we had a string of more cards banned in Standard than ever before, that's why there's no respect or love for Magic's roots, only UB sets to draw in new players. It's all about spectacle now, from the concept push to the card design.

I pray they see past the UB sales, to the format destroying behavior their new philosophy has enabled. Modern is in shambles, and that was the last great Magic format, destroyed, not by UB, but by play design making cards explosive first and balanced second. EDH has seen enormous damage, becoming much faster and barely resembling what it was pre-2020, but its casual heart and bracket bandaids have served to lessen the damage. Nevertheless the source of the damage is Play Design, and something MUST change. Magic works 3 years ahead, so I hope it already has, If not we are in for some serious shit.

I was one of the people that liked to point out how the (now previous) rules actually did allow you to bring in cards from outside the game. I've just now read the updated rules, and I'm glad to see that they've now covered all the scenarios correctly in the manner they intended.

The new rules state that unless something specifically says you can bring it into a Commander game, traditional cards can't be brought into a Commander game. In summary:

- Wish (and alikes) effects don't work.
- Companions DO work, because they added a rule to companion that specifically says they can be brought into a Commander game.
- Dungeons DO work. They're cards (not tokens or helpers or markers), but they're specifically nontraditional cards, which gets around the new rule.
- Learning Lessons doesn't work. It didn't get the same patch that companions got.

Interestingly, Commander got an additional, finally official codified rule: Commander games don't have sideboards. This was never actually stated in the Comprehensive Rules until now. While it had absolutely no bearing on the ability to bring cards into the game, I suspect they added the rule just for the people that think Wishes only grab from sideboards in casual play, just to cover all their bases.

>>96164574
>Finally, a use for Inga and Esika

>>96165124
If youre budget green and have the usual 2 mana ramps, what else would you run?

>>96165127
>>96165134
now player here, what was the actual design philosophy at the time when "combo winter" fucked standard?

Lord of the Rings and Final Fantasy were artificially pushed to be successful by making the real magic sets garbage on purpose.
The Universes Beyond shit has swords, dragons and magic in it, while the actual magic sets have haunted houses, detective hats and race cars. This makes UB resemble actual magic more than actual magic.

Once we move to Marvelslop and Avatar, UB will flop just as bad as modern MTG.

>>96165157
>nothing has changed and I was wrong the entire time
Thank you for the update.

>>96165209
>Avatar
not only do I not care to see animated shows (or comics) as mtg cards, seeing how they treated Miku and Spongebob I can only expect the worst set of all time.

>>96164004
>>96164574
>>96164535
I'm so excited to see how the hell they make universes within versions of these cards for arena.

>>96165215
that's not what i said at all. If that were true, they wouldn't have to have changed the rules. you're dumb.

What's the threshold for running non-tribe creatures in a tribal deck? I know it's complicated, but like a general rule of thumb. I can't help but feel like there's tension regardless how synergistic the card is.

>>96165188
Rampant Growth, Farseek, Sakura Tribe Elder, Explore.
And let's not pretend Three Wishes, Nature's Lore and Into the North are impossible to get for a reasonable price.

>>96165209
While there's some truth there, leave the haunted houses out of it, man, spooky fantasy is great

>>96165219
Avatar has already been spoiled and confirmed to be a whole set.
meaning mechanically unique cards, unlike Spongebob and Miku

>>96165219
>seeing how they treated Miku and Spongebo
Miku and Spongebob were SLD releases and were all reprints. Avatar will be a full set with mostly new cards. What the fuck are you talking about, anon?

>>96165228
in the classic, MTGO definition of the tribal deck, none. You COULD NOT include a creature that wasn't part of your tribe.

>>96165232
All of the monster, room and demon designs in Duskmourn are fantastic. But the pic related element looks like complete dogshit.

>>96165249
>why yes I will be buying a case of spiderman ub collector boxes how could you tell

>>96165234
>>96165238
I'm talking about the artwork, which was mostly ugly for Miku, and lazy for Spongebob

>>96165249
Uhhh based Rainey

>>96165157
I thought dungeons were gameplay trackers.

>>96165205
Combo Winter 1999 was when the incredible design advancement of Wizards was "A block that's drafted together should have a common theme". That is to say it was a very rudimentary time. They successfully made Urza's block mechanically an enchantment block, but marketing fucked it by calling it the "Artifacts Cycle" (due to Urza's connection to artifacts). And yeah they made a ton of broken cards.
The system makeup at that time was Design and Development as it would be for years after, but the philosophy was not very advanced. They were less than 5 years past from their philosophy being "Our design team is Richard Garfield's friends" or "buy a custom set from that guy who likes Magic and repurpose it"

>>96165249
San Rainey keeping watch

>>96165225
Nothing changed though. You made all that up to cope with the fact you were wrong from the start.

>>96165270
im amazed they did the shtick again, after the super positive feedback when they tried it with Lord of the Rings

Screenshots aren't magic cards

>>96165283
That's interesting. I wonder how many crazy combos WotC has overlooked in the past, aside from bans.

>>96165300
>Screenshots aren't magic cards
this is the first lesson I learned when I made my first proxies. screenshots just don't work.

>>96164548
I bet this causes some site to have an issue, given that a pair of slashes like that is how you show DFCs.

>>96165300
The difference is the miku and spongebob lair have playable cards and the reprints are worth more than 50 cents

>>96165328
miku wasn't screenshots

>>96165283
>that artwork
fucking love it
picrel is probably my favorite MtG piece
i have yet to find a nice high resolution picture of the artwork so i can put it on a playmat

>>96165278
>309.1. Dungeon is a card type seen only on nontraditional Magic cards.
>309.2. Dungeon cards begin outside the game. Dungeon cards aren’t part of a player’s deck or sideboard. They are brought into the game using the venture into the dungeon keyword action. See rule 701.49, “Venture into the Dungeon.”

>>96165134
The biggest problem is that WOTC has to keep designing cards for 3 wildly different formats - draft, 60c, and Commander, with only Commander and draft having any relevance in paper anymore. They insist on cramming in cards for all these formats into the same sets and making them legal for each format. This makes their job 3x as hard as it would be if they focused just on one winning format and dumped the rest. They never will because they only care about money, not the health or longevity of the game, but if they wanted to fix the problems with magic, they should admit that 60-card formats are dead ends and they should stop designing for them, and that draft is not worthy of being designed around. People can still crack packs and play limited with cards designed and made for Commander.

>>96165328
that LotR secret lair was at the time the worst reprint value, and probably still is.
The Spongebob reprint value also is on the underwhelming side, plus its not only screenshots, but just fucking memes too

>>96165224
Are they going to still be themed around a city of super heroes or something more arcane and mayocal?
What do you think webslinging is gonna be called?

>>96165270
>and lazy for Spongebob
they were all new art or recreated art from the show. none of it were straight screenshots.

>>96164554
Consider Narfi, Betrayer King and dip into some snow typal stuff to no longer need to care about commander tax anymore.

>>96165228
Zero non-tribal cards. Even changelings are iffy. The only acceptable non-tribal cards are those that directly reference the tribe in question. For example, with Chatterfang Squirrel tribal, Nut Collector is fine, but if you put in Blood Artist or Zulaport Cutthroat because of how good they are for the deck's natural aristocrat bend then it is not a tribal deck, it is an aristocrats deck.

>>96164535
>Spiders, Boars, Bats, Bears, Birds, Cats, Dogs, Frogs, Jackals, Lizards, Mice, Otters, Rabbits, Raccoons, Rats, Squirrels, Turtles, and Wolves
>mfw they left me out

>>96164818
Was thinking of Sonic himself as the only card I wouldn’t be able to include would be Eggman although a work colleague wants him for his Villains deck so it’d at least be used.
>WotC site only has the direct Sonic characters one left and none of the alt card ones
Fuck it, I’m getting it. They all also despise anime and most Japanese content in whatever form it takes (“They sexualise women too much!”) so maybe I go one step further and make it a stealth weeb deck to really tilt them. What sets over the past few years have had anime cards in them? I think new Eldraine and Neo Kamigawa had some.

>>96165304
Combo Winter 1999 can be chalked up to inexperienced designers designing to a theme and a development team that wasn't strong enough. I believe around this time is when they started hiring winners and contenders from the pro tour to become Magic developers since those people understood power level very well.

Personally I remember when I started playing in 2002ish that Earthcraft/Squirrel Nest was my shit. In defense of early designers, it's easy to make half of a combo when the other half doesn't exist.

>>96165342
To this day I have a casual Lich's Mirror Storm combo deck that runs Ignite Memories. It's an absolute favorite

Reminder pic related is not a still from the show, it's a meme edit that neither Nickelodeon nor WotC had the rights to.
Reminder that the spooderman meme appeared in the opening credits of one of the Spiderverse movies
Reminder 3 of the previewed Spiderman cards have been characters from the Spiderverse movies
Reminder there is a non-0 chance spooderman will appear on a fucking Magic card.

>>96164535
and Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White
And Monty Python and the Holy Grail's black knight
And Benito Mussolini, and the Blue Meanie
And Cowboy Curtis, and Jambi The Genie
Robocop, The Terminator, Captain Kirk, and Darth Vader
Lo-pan, Superman, every single Power Ranger
Bill S. Preston and Theodore Logan
Spock, The Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan

>>96165365
Yeah but they were at least playable cards rather than random chaff that would get passed until it was the last card in a draft

>>96165394
Reminder to attach your images when posting

>>96165394
>have been characters from the Spiderverse movies
Those characters aren't from those movies, you idiot. They appeared in comics first.

>>96165381
rats, beavers, and hedgehogs seem to have been an intentional exclusion

>>96165394
>Nick doenst have the rights to an edit of their literal own IP
shutyo dumbass mouth mane

>>96165395
I for one look forward to the Hulkster in card form

>>96165394
I'd bet you good money the food tokens look like this.

>>96165463
If they DON'T look like NY street food, they fucked up real bad

>>96165209
Doctor who was pretty meh, wasn't it? You're probably right.

>>96165365
meme versions of cards have much higher market value than usual, there are tons of morons who giggle when they play the funny meme card

>>96165358
>draft is irrelevant
False
>60 card formats are irrelevant
False
You may have just posted the worst, and most Magic-destructive opinion I've ever seen on /edhg/. Magic has always thrived on a diversity of formats. And draft is turbo based, you should try it

My favourite incorrect bitching about art was for the Transformers cards, with people crying that they were just cartoon screenshots. They straight-up just weren't, being fully new art that just mimicked the cartoon style. Not to mention:
- Megatron being a tank, not a gun.
- Young Spike and Goldbug somehow coexisting.
- Slicer and Flamewar being there are all. Slicer was created four years after the cartoon ended (and was different colors), and Flamewar was created EIGHTEEN years after the cartoon!

>>96165503
None of this means anything to me, but I found it interesting nonetheless

>>96165381
These cards were probably made before the sonic secret lair.

>>96165374
there was new art for the spongebob cards? I thought they just made a literal meme set, because the cards I saw looked like ASS

>>96165550
Ditto
I don't care about transformers but I hope this made someone happy

>>96165503
Wasn't this all because they chose characters who appeared in a new toyline these cards were meant to promote? Something to do with the alt art versions for them.

>>96165503
>Flamewar was created EIGHTEEN years after the cartoon
What medium did the franchise continue where she would have been created?

>>96165550
- In the cartoon (and the 80's in general), Megatron transforms into a handgun. In most depictions past that time, Megatron transforms into something else, because of toy gun safety laws. On the card, he turns into a tank.
- Goldbug is the rebuilt/upgraded form of the Transformer Bumblebee. In the cartoon, this happens well after a major timeskip, where Spike (a human buddy character) has grown into an adult. On the card, Spike is still in his teenager design.
- Slicer and Flamewar weren't in the cartoon. The characters didn't exist at the time.

I accept this is probably unusable in game barring severe autism but man that artwork though

>>96165583
There has only ever been a extremely brief period since the beginning where Transformers wasn't putting out at least one type of media, and has literally never stopped putting out toys since it started.
Flamewar debuted in a convention-exclusive comic and toy set in 2005, got a retail toy in 2012, appeared again in a convention-exclusive comic and toy set in 2014, appeared in the retail comic books in 2019, then appeared again in both retail toys and retail comics in 2022 (which the cards were promoting).
>>96165582
Correct, all the cards (except Arcee) correspond to the Shattered Glass comics and toys from around 2022.

>>96165594
Just cheat it out with a tutor

>>96165209
FF wasn't pushed at all.

>>96165626
(forgot to type: Shattered Glass is "good guys bad, bad guys good" alternate universe)

>>96165503
This is true for all "screenshot" art aside from the awful FF Through the ages shit

>>96165594
I fucking love this art. It gives me this bizarre nostalgic feeling I can't place. Like it reminds me of some old memory I can't place.

>>96165588
Megatron being a handgun was always super retarded.

This card is underrated.
>makes tokens
>the tokens are actually good
>reusable every turn

>>96165646
These go for such absurd prices in foil.

>>96165629
True, though I'd prefer it to be my commander as the world's most deadly red flag to not let me ramp because this bad boy is coming down
>>96165656
I think it might have something to do with the fog and how Progenitus isn't fully focused in the shot, gives it a very ethereal, dreamlike quality I can't really place either

>>96164625
They should have used some form of pseudo-Suspend instead of making you wait three turns to cast him.

>>96165675
If all else fails, just cock slap them

>>96165583
Did you think Transformers was just the 80's cartoon and the live action movies? Shit's been going on for over 40 years now in different cartoons, comics, video games, and text stories.

>>96165723
I didn't know, I was never really a fan.
The cards are pretty cool mechanically though

>>96165706
Oh I like that, that lil guy is in when I make my fuck huge cheater big guy deck

>>96165706
first time I ever saw this card was 20 hours ago and the person was playing emrakul 2.0

>person gets chaos warped
>slides the card into the middle of their deck and doesn't shuffle.

>>96165729
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Series
https://tfwiki.net/wiki/List_of_Generation_1_comics

And while we're talking about Transformers, they fit into Magic's... magical themes a bit closer them most realize. In most depictions of Transformers, the Cybertronian race aren't actually robots. They're energy life forms that are just animating the robot bodies. In some versions of their "reproductive" process, those life forms are conjured into reality by a mystical godly artifact.

>>96165737
>cards gets chaos warped
>deck gets shuffled and then reshuffled by someone else and then jokingly cut by only taking the top card off and putting it on the bottom
>it flips back into to the card and everyone gets mad

>>96165735
I'm so sorry

>>96165500
>Magic has always thrived on a diversity of formats

No it hasn't. It's succeeded by being the first and having a huge pool of captured nerds. If Magic worked Commander would've never had to have been invented by the fans to make the game fun. Shave your neckbeard and get a job.

>>96165663
This is one of my favorite cards in the game. Sadly I've never made a deck where its really a slam dunk in it, besides my Baba Lysaga deck but I dismantled that cause I made it when I was shit at the game although if I rebuilt it id still include the card. Got like 4 copies cause I just really enjoy it

>>96165817
Oh and then they took over my turn
And they took a 20 minute turn with my turn, eventually did nothing, and immediately fucking died when they passed back to me.

>>96165663
Someday I will make construct tribal, I just need to find the right commander

>>96165871
SnooPING AS usual I see

>>96165417
>They appeared in comics first.
No fucking shit, retard. They're all from the fucking comics. Afaik they've never invented a completely new character for any of the movies, that wasn't my point.
Peni, Porker, and Noir, 2099 are all in the Spiderverse movies. Do you think it's a fucking coincidence they all got cards and are some of the first previews?
>>96165441
Yeah, they don't. In the same way they don't have the rights to your fucking review of their programmes just because you used clips of their show in your video.

Fuck me, I thought people were supposed to be more literate when it comes to fair use these days.

>>96165463
It's gonna be pizza. Take it or leave it.

>>96165872
He's going to cost way too fucking much, and he's not a construct himself

>>96165971
Would

>>96165983
Based

>>96165873
>that wasn't my point.
then maybe you should get better at communicating.
>Peni, Porker, and Noir, 2099 are all in the Spiderverse movies. Do you think it's a fucking coincidence they all got cards and are some of the first previews?
No. I also don't think it's a thing to get mad about, you fucking crybaby.

The difference a few minor settings tweaks and different paper makes.
Now I just need a to decide to just stick to paper and laminate or try higher grade cardstock, and get a paper cutter better than this hobby lobby one.

>>96165971
I'll wait for the alt art version.

>>96166005
You don't own/use these.

>>96166005
sloppers (hard R) get out

>>96166019
I haven't booked the Superbowl yet, then you'll see

>>96166003
>then maybe you should get better at communicating.
Maybe you shouldn't be so ESL?

Here shall we re-read for the retards at the back of class?
>>96165394
>WotC has printed memes
>spooderman is a pre-existing meme that appeared in a real Marvel movie
>3 cards just revealed were characters from that movie
>there is a non-0 chance a meme referenced in that movie will appear on a card

Now tell me where the fuck i said those characters were invented for the movie and hadn't been in comics. Fucking tell me. And for that matter, explain how that would even be relevant to the point of the post.

YWNBANES

>>96166005
>smoking

>>96166005
Who asked

>>96164229
Chromatic Orery, Arcane Signet and Sol Ring. unless you have tutors to pull them, I don't belive them to be useful in a deck.
so unless you have stuff like Moonsilver Key to tutor those, keep them out, it liberates normally thought "Obligatory" inputs in the case of Signet and Sol Ring for something else. Chromatic Orery is just never going to show up on the board and when it does, its bound to be immediately dealt with be of how much of a value engine it is. if it isnt countered, it'll be put in baby jail, disabled or destroyed or you get forced to sac it.

Absolutely SEETHING

>>96166031
>Now tell me where the fuck i said those characters were invented for the movie
Right here:
>characters from the Spiderverse movies
"From" indicates a point of origin. You meant to say that they were characters that were in those movies, not from them.

Bitch.

>>96166065
>You meant to say that they were characters that were in those movies, not from them.
Your ESL is showing.
They were characters from that movie in the same way spooderman was a meme from that movie. It doesn't mean they originate there it means they have been taken from there.
If I say you've come to this thread from reddit am I saying that you originate from reddit instead of whatever third world shithole your insectoid mother spawned you into?

>>96166089
Bitch.

>>96165380
What if the creatures are so good, they significantly increase the power of the deck, more than a blood artist tier card would? Would it be fair to treat them like enchantments?

>>96166103
I accept your concession, hombre.

>>96165983
>avatar is leaning heavily into allys
General tazri stocks going up

>>96166113
Bitch.

What the fuck is the difference between a golem, a construct, and a robot?

>>96166036
If she smokes she pokes

>>96166126
A golem is made of magic and sometimes, not always as sentience, but has some kind of higher function, a construct is just a machine build for a single purpose, a robot is a golem, but made of science no magic.

>>96166126
>golem
Artifical being animated by magic
>construct
Non sentient machine designed for specific tasks not animated by magic
>robot
Sentient machine not animated by magic

>>96166108
Also, they don't reference the tribe at all, but they support the core strategy to a significant degree.

>>96165663
Buh bye!

I cast second harvest with academy manufactor on the board as well as 10 food, 9 treasure, and 4 clue tokens. How many of each token do I end up with?

>>96166199
This isn't math class and I refuse to participate.

>>96166108
No. If you have that attitude about it you're not building tribal, you're building goodstuff with a pretend tribal theme and you may as well just not bother.

>>96166203
ok I'll just say I have 23 of each

>>96166126
Nothing significant but autists will pretend otherwise.

>>96166126
It's similar to wolf vs dog. Yes, they are the same species, but there is enough nuance to differentiate golem and robot. A golem can be metallic, but they can be flesh or stone too, which isn't robotic. Construct though, I think fits somewhere between the two and could easily be retconned.

>>96166126
construct is a fantasy word for robot

>>96166199
second harvest says make 10 foods, 9 treasures, and 4 clues
academy manufactor says "instead make 10 foods, treasures, and clues, 9 foods, treasures, and clues, and 4 foods, treasures, and clues"

>>96166199
10 food = 10 food 10 treasure 10 clue
9 Treasure = 9 Food 9 Treasure 9 Clue
4 Clue = 4 Food 4 Treasure 4 Clue

10+9+4+10=33 food
10+9+4+9=32 treasure
10+9+4+4=26 clues

>>96166251
>>96166256

>>96166217
>>96166221
>>96166238
So why did we need to have robots?

>>96166291
Because they are infact different than the other two.
Are are wolves, dogs, and werewolves just not dogs?

>>96165594
Jaime Jones is such an underrated artist.

kuja actually looks really fun

>>96166199
it doesn't matter that they're all in one batch like that. making a food a clue and a treasure at the same time doesn't "fulfil academy manufactor's requirement" or anything like that.

>>96166291
so they could make fallout and warhammer and st- SPACEBALLS TWO THE MAGIC THE GATHERING EXPANSION

>>96166291
I really don't think we needed them. But here we are.

>>96166291
Because the designers are dumb about these things.

>>96166062
How many cards did they share this time around? Seems like a lot out of the gate. The set isn't supposed to be coming out for at least a month or two isn't it?

>>96166357
29 so far. Comes out in September

>>96166379
September. That's about what I expected. Though it is a lot of cards to start with isn't it? Scryfall has nearing fifty to look through right now. I didn't think they'd share so much at the start. I assume this is going to be like Final Fantasy and Lord Of The Rings where it gets packs and precons rather than just precons like Fallout did.

>>96166406
>Mary Jane is white

Are they learning?

>>96166406
I think they said SM is just the set and scene cards, I don’t think there are Commander precons.

>>96166406
I would destroy MJ everywhere she has appeared.

>>96166421
BROS! Thing that was always going to happen happened. Are we winning?!?

>>96165068
>designed by gerard way
that fucking gave me whiplash learning that lore holy shit

>>96166430
Big Spider Cock only
Spider killed her with his radioactive semen by the way, no that's not a joke

>>96166406
>sneaking off with your girlfriend has mechanically the same effect as being magically whispered at by your evil nemesis/former slavemaster
what did design team mean by this

>>96166437
>Thing that was always going to happen happened
Except that MJ is black in the MCU.

>>96166437
After the niggerfication of the LotR set and with what Marvel has apparently done to SM over the past few years (don’t care for SM so have heard all this second-hand from friends), I think people’s fears were and possibly are warranted.

>>96166424
>I don’t think there are Commander precons.
That makes sense I guess. There are already some repeat characters among these already. A lot of these feel very beginner focused. Simple one time effects that don't do too much. Makes this all feel like it's for some starter set or something rather than a full set.

Holy shit how many different prints is Spider-Man as a character getting??? I count 3 already.

>>96166437
Two words: zendaya

>>96166437
Dilate troonstein

>>96166461
>Venom, arguably the most iconic villain of spiderman
>That shit ability
>Uncommon
Sheesh.

>>96166464
Not just Spider-Man but it looks like Venom and a couple others are getting multiple versions of them as well. I think I count at least three Venom(s) here. Looks like there are multiple in the art series collection thing.

>>96166480
>>96166464
didn't lotr have unique cards in the art spreads?

>>96166464
Forgot the Venom in question.

>>96166486
Yeah that's what it looks like they're doing here too. These things are going to be something to keep an eye out for it looks like.

Spider Man is coming off as kind of a Chud in this set. Anyone else finding this problematic?

>>96166498
>>96166487
So what are these from? They don't have the same set icon as the others

>>96166476
Yeah, it's kind of a shit card. I guess one of the Venom(s) had to be the worst one. Just surprised how much that one sucked.

>>96165124
>muh intent
lol how do you define that?
if i say i want to win a bracket 2 game, what should my win rate be in a pod before my deck can be classified as a pubstomper?
30%? 40%? 50%? lmao

>>96166487
Wow this is mediocre as fuck. Feels like a shitty zombie tribal card. Just replace villain with zombie.

>>96166461
Lmao have they ever printed a common Legendary before? What the fuck is this shit?

>>96166509
They have the same set icon as the art cards. I think it's from that? Those art card box sets.

Why are all the Spiderman reveals so fucking mediocre bros

>>96166476
Anon, that's a common rarity legendary.

>>96166521
Because you all whined about FIRE so now sets are gonna be shit.

>almost half the fucking set is Legendary
Oh no no no

>>96166508
You know Spiderman is really a nerd right?

Finally, a card that accurately represents your average /edh/ poster!

>>96166531
Yesterday this thread was whining about EOE not having enough legendaries.

>>96166517
There are one or two before it looks like. Though this set has a couple common legendaries in it.

>>96166508
No, I have no clue what you are even trying to beg the question of.

>>96166531
I know. It's great. I hope they keep this up.

Best commander to make genuine use of these?

What the fuck is this? Her name isn't Spider-Gwen, that's the name of the comic. In universe she has a fucking secret identity, she's just Spider-Woman

>>96166529
>crashing the marvelslop set with no survivors
Based wotc

>>96166517
Well there's Skoa.

>>96166551
ashnod

>>96166538
>there couldn't possibly be a middle ground!
>/edhg/ is a hive mind!

>>96166521
There is a couple of cool ones. Izzet 2099 seems like he'd be fun.

>>96166560
Correct.

>>96166552
Doesn't really matter what her in universe name is I guess. She's just called Spider-Gwen by most so it looks like that's the name they went with. Doubt anyone reads the comics anyway so it doesn't really matter.

>>96166560
Correct.

>>96166521
A shit ton of these are coming from introduction decks for brand new players.

My friend who wanted to get into MTG bought the 10th Doctor precon for his first deck and can't make heads or tails of it. I'm gifting him a krenko deck

>>96166575
Ghost Spider is a neat name. Too bad they just call her Spider-Gwen everywhere.

>>96166560
remember, there's only three people on 4chan; you, me, and the guy who disagrees with us.

>>96166566
>can't cast until turn 4
>no evasion
>once per turn ping
>have to buff him to ping for more damage than shock
Literally uncommons that do the same thing better

>>96165971
>>96166537
Spider support instead of hero is weird. It makes me imagine them supporting a giant spider, instead of Peter.

Apparently legendaries being at common is going to be a common thing in the set

>>96165463
>>96165473
>>96165873
You guys don't even read Spider-Man comic. It'll be wheetcakes or pies. Maybe handpies if they are going for the meme.

>>96166605
Pauper commander eatin good

>>96166575
>>96166552
Why the fuck is she red though? She's one of the most level-headed and cautious characters in the setting. Like maybe jeskai, but otherwise I'd say she's clearly azorius. Monored is bizarre.
>Yeah, vampires, goblins, Gwen Stacey. That sounds right.

>>96166595
Yeah, he's cool. Double strike too. Gets to pay off any increase until end of turn effects again with him at end phase.

>>96166518
This is the only good card in the set so far

>>96166607
Yeah buddy they're gonna make a reference to a comic panel from 40+ years ago rather than the Raimi movies or real life food

>>96166616
Maybe it's a joke about Norman. The legendary creatures in the art box are mono colored while the art card themselves are two colors. I think it's just the theme of the box.

>>96166625
But they literally did?
>>96165971

>>96166537
>Activate only as a sorcery
So sick of this bullshit. Just let my Shelob deck be decent!

>>96166537
The scariest words in the English language are "Activate only as a sorcery"

>>96166601
Probably because they know the "Hero" type is going to become ubiquitous going forward with UB and they don't want all the UB cards supporting each other until we reach a critical mass.
Rare foresight from WotC(?)

Legendaries at common is really mediocre as it turns out

>>96166653
This is gunna cause problems

>>96166653
FUCK IT'S WEAKER THAN I PROJECTED.

>>96166653
>Dodges commander tax
Other than that, he's got nothing going on

>>96166551
I don't know, but those are worth playing for the art alone. Straight fire, like the zoomers say.

>>96166653
If this thing had flash it may have been kind of cool as a quick save thing. The other mono white Spider-Man is something at least.

>>96166509
Welcome decks, basically learn to play decks.

>>96166517
Yeah, they've printed them as far back as Joven and Chandler in Homelands.
10 of the vanilla Legendary creatures from Legends that were previously uncommon were made common when being made for MTGO. 5 of the Backgrounds are at common. There was Skoa, the Grandeur one from MH3. There was a Legendary artifact in the Final Fantasy set.
But this set is going to bring the highest amount of Legendaries at common, with at least 9 already.

>>96166666
What the fuck set is SPE???

>>96164720
My first zombie deck, and second commander deck, was Grimgrin. Probably not insanely competitive these days but he holds a special place in my heart and you can easily build alt wincons like you would in any deck.

>>96164574
>what if we made a commander that's a shittier version of a card from the 90s

>>96166682
Scryfall calls it Marvel's Spider-Man Eternal. It looks like it's the name for the Scene Box that had these guys in them.

>>96166675
Are they welcome decks? They're labeled under the same thing as these art cards which it looked like were part of a Scene Box. Though I guess anything is possible right now until we get proper information of what's going on.

>>96166698
The ones with the spider icon are from scene boxes. The shitty commons you are seeing are from welcome decks. And a handful are main set cards.

>>96166601
Probably because they know the "Hero" type is going to disappear going forward with UB and they don't want all the UB cards supporting a defunct creature type.
Rare foresight from WotC(?)

>>96166625
>40+ years ago
>a panel
You think they have stopped?

This entire spiderman set feels like ass

>Have not cracked one pack of the space set yet
>Spiderman spoilers well underway
Very cool

>>96166724
Now that we have the space set full list it's safe to say it looks like it's pretty ass. Spider-Man has a lot of cards that look like they're on a similar mediocre tier but there's at least a couple others that aren't half bad. More than I could say about space set at least.

>>96166698
>Scryfall calls it Marvel's Spider-Man Eternal. It looks like it's the name for the Scene Box that had these guys in them.
According to WotC it's a set for eternal formats, but I don't understand where the fuck you get them from
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-marvels-spider-man

Seems like there's fucking Welcome Decks too, and this is probably the reason Gwen is red even though it makes 0 sense whatsoever. They just wanted a prominent character for each monocolor

>>96166724
>wake up
>New Product

Out of these dual land types, which one is the weakest? I have to remove one set of three from my Abzan deck, but have no idea which one. The tapped ones aren't that bad since I have six fetch lands, with true duals, a triome and 7 basics, but If I miss one early it would be bad. Pain ones always work right away, and life isn't that bad of a loss overall. The Lorqwyn block ones are nice, but could also potentially give me no mana of the needed color early.

Which one to cut, guys?

>>96166746
TIME TO GET EXCITED FOR NEXT PRODUCT!!!

>>96166724
>sharting out the ub flop sets so wotc can work on lorwyn

>>96166742
>this is probably the reason Gwen is red even though it makes 0 sense whatsoever.
at a certain point it makes more sense to put UB characters in certain colors not because of their philosophies but because it matches their actual outfit's colors lol

>>96166763
Uh. Her outfit is white black and teal...

>>96166767
And pink

>>96166742
Oh, so they are welcome decks. So that's why those five were monocolored. It's weird they share the same symbol as the Scene Boxes though. By that website's own admission it's all separate product. Welcome decks, actual packs, and the scene boxes. Honestly surprised they didn't try and also fit in a precon or two in this. Maybe one for heroes and one for villains.

>>96166755
I'd cut the ones that potentially come in tapped. I just don't like dealing with those unless they've got guaranteed upsides like the surveil ones. And even those I only play because they're searchable.

>>96166767
spiderman being primarily blue and red didn't help with that, look they even put miles in green even though it also doesn't make sense
if they allowed actual villains electro is blue hobgoblin is red and sandman is green

>>96166755
>2 sets come in untapped guaranteed
>1 set only comes in untapped if you have the required land type already in play
Seems like a no brainer to me but since you need help, pain>filter>check

zzzzzzzzzz

lotta great cards for draft

>>96166663
>cast
why would it dodge commander tax? sephara sure doesn't

>Thwip! is a card
where's Snikt! wotc?!

Guess EoE had so few legendaries because they needed to compensate for FF and Spider man having a billion of them

>>96166835
Main line sets will have less legendaries to compensate for UB sets having a billion of them.

>>96166835
eoe still has too many, there's multiple cards of the tranny

>>96166835
Even among the few Edge Of Eternities has they're mostly pretty lame. Only one or two seem interesting.

>>96166739
Edge of eternities looks terrible but it still looks 10 times better than what we've gotten for spiderman

>>96166841
he's not a tranny, he's a twink coping

>>96166815
>every character is going to get 3+ cards again
It's just so fucking lazy

>>96166811
That's from a Welcome Deck, bro. Of course it's gonna be trash.

>>96166853
I'm going to have to completely disagree with you there.

>>96166859
It's from the scene cards.

>>96166853
EoE looks better than every set since LOTR

>>96166739
I like that they seem to be walking back on the power levels, but I also wonder what the point is when they're dumping out a new set every month. Crazy idea, but maybe they can create a system where they put out 2-3 sets a year and they're all moderately powered? Dunno, seems to me like that would lead to higher quality set design over all.

>>96166835
maro said explicitly that UW sets will have less legends because UB sets are going to be like 80% legend

>>96166790
>>96166778
Thank you, anons. That's what I was leaning towards. Going to remove them.

>>96166868
>2-3 sets a year
You know that's not what they're going to do. I don't think that would even be feasible for them anymore. That would lead to significantly less product and potential massive decrease in profit for them.

>>96166871
What's the abzan commander going to be?

UB: Martin Scorsese

>>96166863
It is not, my friend. The scene cards share a set code with the welcome decks.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-marvels-spider-man

>>96166884
lmao

>>96166884
Why does a cab driver have 3 power?

>>96166884
>pay 1 to give haste
Fucking why? We already have a 1R haste giver

>>96166835
At least FF didn't give this many characters to every single character. Only a couple like Sephiroth or Cloud got this many.

Like do we really need 6 venoms and I'm guessing 100 spidermans from the spiderverse

>>96166897
I guess cos he's in a car? Who fucking knows anymore? Why was UB Doctor Who Rose Tyler a 2/2 when she's literally just a normal Earth woman?

>>96166903
Helps when you have like 30 games that are effectively all separate universes.

lol every single card is going to be buffing Spiders and not Heroes so it doesn't fuck with the Marvel/X-Men cards

>>96166905
>Clara is a school teacher and has 6 toughness just...because

>>96166909
>The Mary Janes
dude weed

>>96166909
edh spider tribal winning i guess? lol

>>96166916
>Scryfall is currently offline for maintenance.
Well fuck. I WAS gonna post that green/black legendary that says something like "pay mana to deal X damage to everyone, X = spiders you control" thinking that'd be a good starting point

Does anyone actually like this set so far?

>>96166915
Its a band led by Mary jane you fucking moron

>>96166909
wouldn't hero synergy be a natural fit with final fantasy hero tokens? can wizards do anything right?

>>96166926
Mary Jane has a band now?
Bitch is a model
activist
journalist
musician
What doesn't this bitch do?

>>96166877
It'll be interesting to see what the precise set is when it all starts to implode. There's no such thing as infinite hype. I'm already seeing grumblings even among the normie-tranny sphere about the pace of releases. There's only so many LOTR and FFs out there, and Magic's demographic is greying rapidly with little young blood coming in due to how expensive and complicated the game is for under-21s. It's hard to imagine too many 35+ year old men genuinely getting excited for UB products for very much longer, especially when their memberberry dopamines are already reaching the burn out point.

But of course I could just be hope coping and MTG will become even more profitable and popular each year. It just seems impossible to me that these manchildren can continue to slop forever into their 40s and 50s and in some cases 60s, but if you hadve asked me 15 years ago if there wouldve been an entire generation of 3x year olds clapping for Marvel characters I would've called you an idiot so who knows.

>>96166856
Main Peter alone is going to have over a dozen fucking cards. jfc anti-UB posters perhaps I treated you too harshly

Bros... Our time has finally arrived.

>>96166884
Going right into the next proxy run.

>>96166924
I like making fun of it

>>96166939
This one is actually half decent

>>96166900
It's not relegated to your creatures or sorcery speed. Not usually relevant but it can help with some politics.

>>96166940
None of the support will be in black. A lot of it will be in white.

>>96166900
it's a NYC taxi driver ay I dont work for free!

>>96166924
holy mother of god, no. Every card has me cringing. I know Spiderman is *the* most popular Marvel character, but an entire set just for this one character is awful

>>96166947
>other player needs to attack the problem player
>use your taxi driver to drive their creature to smack the player
based

>>96166939
Marvel is its own breed of cancer and a totally different beast from typical UB.

>>96166951
looks like a black spider to me >>96166815

>>96166960
kek

>>96166924
What set? Edge of Eternities? Spider-Man? Spider-Man Eternal?

If theres anything I would like not to be done in UB it's super hero slop. Remember we still have a general Marvel set and an xmen set after this makes me cringe

Shitterman is going to flop as hard as asscreed ub cancer

>>96166932
IT'S ALMOST AS IF THERE'S A MULTIVERSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>96166924
No
I hate marvel
It would have been better if it wasn't so focused just on spider man... This is ridiculous

>>96166960
xd

wait is this card name not going to completely fuck with APIs/SQL tables n shit??

>>96166952
Made me smirk

>>96166932
>What doesn't this bitch do?
be a tradwife

>>96166973
so the fat guy is from the musician universe and the MJ card we got is from the model/actress universe?

>>96166956
>Hey Fucko, you with the the 9 foot sword. You wanna go kill that Wizard sonuvabitch?
>Hop in.

in an alternate universe we got kamenslop instead, I hate this gay earth

>>96166976
if they don't sanitize their inputs they deserve it

>>96166972
It's going to make a quintillion dollars and there will never be an in-universe set in production ever again

>>96166976
It would be really, really funny if they had to errata this card and it can't go on Gatherer.

>>96166976
If they don't properly sanitize the input or encase the name right for how they do it, it's possible. But it being seen this early means the work on that is now, and not when all the cards drop later.
(Perhaps notably, though likely unrelated, Scryfall is offline for maintenance right now.)

>>96166976
Who is penis

>>96166983
>den-o
>w
>OOO
>black
>kamen rider 1
here's your 5 secret lair cards

>>96166982
Taxi driver has your back. For a price.

>>96166881
Teneb.

>>96166940
See what I said earlier >>96164789 and from what we’ve seen most of the support will be in colours other than green and black. Only Spider-Nog and Spider-Pig would fit with Spider tribal.

>#3 in mono blue and still rising
Apologize

>>96167004
I remember when this thread was going on how this was the worst card in the set

>>96166992
>Scryfall is offline for maintenance right now
haha I just saw! I like to imagine they freaked out about this card name and took the site down to fix whatever is about to break

>>96167005
Me too

Actually now that I think about it, I’ll be pissed if this asshole isn’t at least referenced in a card.

Anymore Airbender leaks?

>>96167021
No, but allys are going to probably be a big part of it so if you wanna be a degenerate buy up the good ones we already have and you'll probably be able to flip them.

>>96167020
He's got a card. And it does turn a thing into dinosaurs. Kind of mediocre though. Would hope he gets another in the full set.

>>96167006
I want to say it was up earlier without an issue, but I don't have a time machine to go check, obviously. It's back up and the card seems to work fine, so it could have been that, or it could have been something else. The whole site was acting sluggishly earlier but is snappy now.

>>96167031
Oh wait. I was being dumb. That's Stegron, not Sauron. I'd be really surprised if Sauron doesn't get a card.

>>96167032
Lol. Those cowards took the easy way out

Make a legendary version wizards you cocksucking cowards.

>>96167046
>we may be wotc lib cocksuckers but we're not THAT autistic

>>96167047
Yes. I agree.

>>96167046
they can't help that, HTTP won't support slashes in names. the actual check is what the database entry is.

>>96167027
There are no good ones in those colors at least

>>96167005
>>96167017
>>96167004
I remember playing against it in brawl where it's very good

>>96164254
Bump

Any deck I can put them in besides Tifa?

>>96167004
a video came out a few days ago

>>96164254
Are you planning on sacrificing and having your creatures die here?

>>96167037
Gee Spidey! How come your aunt lets you have two villains that want to turn people into dinosaurs?

Feels like WOTC really blew their creative load with FIN. Maybe the avatar set will be decent but who knows.

>>96167071
What video

>>96167109
Unless they already have AI making cards (a genuine possibility at this point) I can't imagine the dev team being able to keep up this pace. They're not the brightest and most creative individuals in the first place, I can't see them not burning out soon.

>>96167109
From what it seemed, they worked on it over something like four years, which I believe is close to double the normal development cycle.
Though it could also be because several of the people at Square Enix were also fans of Magic, since that would increase the amount of ideas tossed around and worked with, some coming from those deep in the development of the games themselves.
EoE may appear lower power from recent sets, but they clearly put a lot into the worldbuilding. I wouldn't mind another set out on the Edge sometime.

>>96167134
Good thing I'm poisoning all LLMs with gay dragon romance so one day WotC will slip up and print the Gay Bolas card.

I can't decide between building Kotis, Felix or Gonti for a sultai turn sideways deck

>>96167071
>THIS IS A FUCKIN VIDEO
>TO SOME FAT FISH ON BLOOMBURROW NAMED ELUGE

Were women a mistake?

>>96167275
I wish she would just post nudes already. She must have sad looking tits since she's never posted nudes

>>96167275
>kike poster trying his divide and conquer amongst the family unit.
kys moshe

>>96167231
kotis is bad, you swing for 12 and hit 9 lands a counterspell and some useless shit

>>96167324
Yeah bro she's absolutely going to marry you and have children. A woman trying on outfits for internet attention totally hasn't replaced any role you could possibly play in her life with an infinite amount of attention and money from simps

>>96166742
>Scream and Lizard Peter are non-legendary commons
>Venom deck also has a card that mentions its connection to Knull in its name, meaning there’s a non-zero chance he shows up

>>96167324
Thats a whore anon not a woman. Learn the difference it'll do you good.

>>96167372
>Knull
I fucking hate how badly they raped symbiote lore. Symbiotes were my favorite thing in Spider-Man and then they made them shit
>Venom eats brains!!! xD
>symbiotes have a society and the venom symbiote is an outcast xD
>pretty much all symbiotes look like the venom one, ignore the fact like 3 different colors of symbiote came from venom's lineage

Welp I'm being a degenerate and building mono black K'rrick in bracket 3

>>96167372
Will go great in my budget Endrek Sahr deck 6 life drain on one body pretty much

>>96166588
The only thing Joven looks like he steals is the last doughnut in the box I tell ya. That guy is so fat he takes his contract payments in corndogs. That man is the kinda guy that would smuggle a Snickers into jail instead of a lockpick when he's thrown in, I tell ya.

>>96166724
>mfw still just cracking collector packs of final fantasy
I know i should just buy the Buster Sword and Tifa Martial Artist but I love gambling too much bro

>>96167075
Not really, I'm planning to discard the creatures to reanimate them.

>>96166924
I'm gonna keep it a buck: the only Marvel guy I want are my boys Captain America who got a cool set with loads of fun flavor, and Gambit, who could have some cool flavorful effects but probably will just be OK and if I'm lucky he has a partner commander option with Rogue at best or some shit. Gonna make a retarded gambling deck regardless if or when he gets introduced

>>96167067
Easy fit with Inigo Montoya

So he's an instant add in Jodah the Unifer right?

>>96167517
Yeah FF was the last set I gave a shit about. Everything EoE onwards looks like crap to me.
>Got a total of 7 mythics from pre-release and Collector Bundle
>3 were fucking Vivi, 2 were Yuna Hope of Spira, one mono white Cloud and one Gogo Master of Mimicry
>Most Rares were either mono blue Edgar coinflipper or the fucking crystals
Know I shouldn’t complain too much but I don’t think I’ve ever been this unlucky with duplicates before.

>>96167566
I genuinely hate all of these boring takes on the same shit, but calling it Web-Slinging pretty much ruins any mtg flavor options.

>>96167566
>is legendary good in legendary tribal?
Memes aside yeah probably fits more than most legendaries to exist

>>96167550
This art is so fucking good

>almost 60 spider man cards spoiled today
Jesus

>>96167662
It's a lot, isn't it? Where the hell did all these cards even come from? As far as I know IGN showed off Noir, Pig, Penis, and Bant Spider-Man. Where the hell did the rest come from?

>>96167672
They came from comic-con where WOTC gave out 5 different welcome decks. Those shit decks stores used to give out for free and was full of garbo uncommons. So, most of the spoiled cards are that shit.

>>96167679
>comic-con where WOTC gave out 5 different welcome decks
Oh ok. That explains things then. That means those cards are in the market now, not just previews then. Even if most of them were pretty shit, I have a feeling those are going to be a damn mess to pick up later if Wizards really does have them exclusive to welcome decks.

>>96167620
just think: wizards will create UW versions of every card in this set for arena and MTGO

>>96167696
If they print them, I'll buy them. If they don't, fuck them.

>>96165463
Hostess Fruit Pies.

>pack in 15 pieces of ramp
>pack in all of the old "ult: you win the game" planeswalkers
>rest is protection and some stompy stuff
Is this a viable deck? Looking at ~100-150 dollars/euros

>>96166999
>Teneb.
Unfathomably based

>>96163999 (OP)
>TQ
Captain Howler!
You get to really burn through your deck with a ton of discard+draw cards so you never get that "ah, if only I had X or Y card right now" feeling, and it's just downright fun to superbuff a shark with flying, unblockable or other blue enchantment bs and flick them at your pals for pure commander damage.
My favorite unintentional thing I did was create non-legendary copies of him (that also give the +2/+0 buff for each discarded card) and make my commander Cpt. deal 42+ unblockable dmg.

>>96167800
Just proxy them. They'll all be exact copies of legal cards anyway.

>>96167658
Link to original art?

>>96167847
viable, sure
fun maybe two or thrice before it gets fuckold

>>96166009
as will I, anon.
as will I.

>>96166537
>Web Support
okay fine wizards i'll buy your stupid set.

>>96166005
really telling that its always them grabbing for the lowest of hanging fruits, which is AI

So...which EOE commander will be the strongest for 4s and for 1v1?

>>96168167
Proliferate and Landfall are always exploitable and they have lots of support.

>>96167913
I'm not going to proxy prerelease kits. I might proxy the 2 edh-viable cards though.

>>96166644
>>96166537
>Activate only as a sorcery
what is up with that? is it because of that new blocking rule, and that they dont want new player to even find themselves into their freshly created mess up?

What's the UW name for web-slinging?
Slingjutsu?

>>96168368
I really wanna see what kind of jank they come up for the arena set

>>96168463
It could actually fit kind of well as a pseudo New Capenna set with gangs and crime fighting and such from what I've seen. Though spider tribal and "Hero" type makes it weird and hard to fit thematically, because they have to keep all functionality from the cards intact.

>>96168365
>muh new blocking rule
that's like saying STE block-sac doesn't work anymore lmao

>>96168491
Isn't the whole point of Capenna hat there is no law enforcement? I don't know how they'll fit in 56 new legendary heroes in it.

>>96168615
No law enforcement means lots of room for vigilantes.

>>96168615
things change. maybe everyone got sick of all the crime and decided to do something about it

>>96168615
I'm expecting 75+ digital versions of whatever the fuck this is suppose to be

>>96168615
>Cappenna needs ICE agents now with the omen paths

>>96168668
I'm expecting a whole lot of AI art

What if the spidermen are actually spider types is because they can then justify it as some underground spider lair in capenna or something?

>>96168678
Capenna: Web of Lies
The sixth house led by the Weaver seeks to bring down the other five. A new thread looms and heros take up the masque.

>>96166456
The guy(?) in charge of the art direction for LotR and the Baldur's gate set isn't involved in this set.

>>96166461
>>96166476
>>96166522
This. This set has common legendaries. Pauper bros, here's you slop, EAT IT UP!

can someone help me make some cuts on this eggman deck, its my firrst time making one and im not sure what to cut, probably run less ramp?

https://archidekt.com/decks/14601962/eggman

>>96167078
Three if you count the Lizard as a dinosaur adjacent.

>>96167996
I'll be sure to right click on twitter or a booru site and put it into a custom card maker site for you next time, since that is a much high hanging fruit.

>>96167996
The fuck are you trying to say ESL

NEW
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>>96167971
Tourists are so fucking embarrassing holy shit
>is that an awful joke on a shitty card xD TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!!

>>96167829
This man is a knower

>>96168790
Yeah, it is.