we might have flourished a little too hard edition

>Bans
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>News
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https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

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>Build and share Cubes
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CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
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https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
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>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>96165674

>TQ
what will you be playing post-rotation?

I only play Pioneer, and it will rotate when some direct to shit is printed. But it won't be, there's no money in it.

He's literally me, fr, fr.

hello I hate having legendary creatures in pauper that are actually good. I mean look at this shit, you can run 11-12 bounce effects for replaying refurbished familiar in orzhov blade

Are you entertained?

>mono white card
>makes a 2/1 green spider with reach
What is colour pie even?
How about:
U
Create a 1/2 red human token with prowess and haste?

>>96171641
>white card makes spider

>>96171641
universes beyond doesn't use the color pie. that's why sonic's identity is blue, like his arms

This is why they changed UB to be standard legal right as FF released. They knew what this set would do. There's no going back now. Whatever makes the most money is Good and Right, enjoy your capitalism.

>>96171655
sonics arms arent blue you retard

>>96171713
But what when Spooderman and Fagatar makes both less than UW sets together? That's capitalism too will they fall back?

>no one wants to play block constructed anymore
>no one wants to play normal 60 card casual constructed anymore
>everything is "formats"
>EDH isn't the answer because people still spend 1,000 dollars on a deck that could almost beat a modern 60 card deck face to face even without its commander
>no one plays pauper and it's dominated by a few OP commons anyway
>go to the store and spend half an hour picking out some bulk rares and commons to make a fun theme deck combining two keywords or even just making Ravnica guild decks, spend 5 to 10 dollars total
>nerds next to me are dropping 150 bucks on 3 cards and they're there every week
>search up "Abzan deck" and it's all WBG modern/legacy piles for 1500 dollars and the only actual Abzan card in there is maybe a Siege Rhino
I genuinely don't know what the solution is. I have a decent commander deck and a couple modern decks but I don't drop like 500 dollars a month on this game. I have some friends who do and I find it insane. And I guess that's fine that's how it is but I have like 50 MTG decks that will never be worth shit if I lose access to the 3 friends I have who will still play low-power 60 card kitchen table. I'll never find a group like that at the FLGS because it's ALL fucking EDH and EDH isn't even any better because you still have the "rule zero" bullshit of power levels. Which can be solved with a simple ladder system.

thank God I can just continue to not play universes beyond slop in my cube.

>>96171713
legal UB was a thing since the d&d set

>britbongs wont be able to access the site by this time next month
Rip

>>96171909
what?

>>96171916
New censorship law, 4chan will be forced to either block all bongposters or the britbongs will force their ISPs to block 4chan nationwide. Every other board is freaking out

>>96171752
Proxy shit you fucking retard

>>96171713
Standard legal UB has nothing to do with sales, or its impact is very minor. Most people don't play competitively at all.

I just wanna

>>96171625
That's esper blade now featuring cryogenic relic

>>96172012
>esper
but wildfire is too good for that deck. I'd go Jeskai

YOUR BLADES ARE SHARPENED WITH PRECISION
FLASHING YOUR FAVORITE POINT OF VIEW
I KNOW YOU'RE WAITING IN THE DISTANCE
JUST LIKE YOU ALWAYS DO
ALREADY PULLING ME IN
ALREADY UNDER MY SKIN
AND I KNOW EXACTLY HOW THIS ENDS, I

>>96172020
I think refurbished familiar is more worthwhile desu

How you go from this
>>96172001
To this >>96171608?

>>96172051
true, jeskai wildfire can be its own deck and does not really need any spiderman cards (yet)

>>96172053
A strong desire for infinite growth tends to do that.

>>96171713
>enjoy your capitalism.
I will
capitalism is the only reason we have good things, fuck commies

>>96171625
What are the implications of this being hand painted? Is Marvel allowing artist to sell their art?

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1948511016049864971
I want to get off the spoiler season wild ride

>>96172130
The Giant circle looks like a color indicator. Is this going to be a green card with a blue color indicator? Or maybe the reverse.

>>96172127
Sorta related, but do they ever sell the originals for the cards? I'd kill to have some oil paintings of certain cards.

>>96172142
I remember color blind players complaining how a simple circle is harder to tell what color something is.

>>96172145
this is an entire market you have no idea about, the good ones all go for like 100k to bitcoin fucks

>>96172130
STOOOOOOOP
EOE IS NOT EVEN OUT YET
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOP ALREADY

>>96172172
EVERY DAY IS SPOILER DAY
at least after avatar there won't be anything until 2026... right?

>>96172232
They wouldnt dare to make 2026 a 6 sets year too right? Is impossible they arent aware of the product fatigue people is already showing RIGHT?

>>96172263
product fatigue (mostly) only effects enfranchised players, someone who only gets into the game cause they like final fantasy or avatar: the last Airbender does not experience it cause they spend a lot of money then leave the hobby.

>>96172263
anon have you been living under a rock for a few months?
6 sets a year is the new norm going forward, it wasn't a fluke
3 UW and 3 UB

>>96172263
3 of them are UB meaning you can ignore them so we only have 3 sets per year.

>>96172263
Anon did you see how well FF sold?

Every set is going to be a UB set. This is absolutely bonkers considering the LOTR set blew every other set away in terms of sales and FF completely destroyed that record, which is wild considering FF is long past its prime. MTG is going to collaborate with anything and everything since the execs are likely aware that FF is probably nowhere close to the peak in terms of revenue compared to other more desirable IPs.

remember when we got 3 sets a year, and they were all part of the same coherent story, and sometimes we'd get a 4th core set but not always

>universes beyond watamote

>>96172371
FF is probably gonna be the peak, though.

>>96172275
>get into mtg specifically for the mtg universe
>hate the crossover shit
I guess I'm just weird then.

>>96172109
>capitalism is the only reason we have good things, fuck commies
yes, good goy, your only happiness can come from pleasing shareholders, nothing good can exist otherwise

i think spiderman will outsell ff. ff is mostly a boomer series now whereas everyone and their stepson watches marvelslop

>>96172371
makes me think Wotc is going to stop wasting time and money on universes within sets considering every dollar you spend on your own setting is losing a chance at FF levels of money.

get ready for MTG to become Funko pops or Fortnite, it wont have its own identity, it will be a vehicle to show that your a fan of a certain brand.
it was a fun 30 years.

>>96172389
real question. is there any UB crossover that mtg could do that would actually out perform Final Fantasy in demand and sales?

I don't think their is. FF is like the gold standard of enfranchisement. Maybe pokemon if it didn't already have its own TCG, but it does, so that won't work.

Yeah there's nothing. FF is the top of the mountain. Nothing will ever beat these numbers.

You know what that means. There's going to be a second FF set at some point. And a third. probably a fourth...

>>96172430
>Nothing will ever beat these numbers.

ye of little faith, the shareholders must be appeased.

How retarded would it be to buy a beat up old Beta card to play with?
considering a 4th edition copy would cost like $1 instead

>>96172430
>one piece
>dragon ball z
>naruto
>the avengers
>blizzard entertainment
>dota 2
>league of legends
>hon (lol)
>a proper 40k set
>a proper bg3 set
>capcom vs. mtg
all of these have a good shot at beating ff, especially if wotc adds lottery cards

>>96172382
yes and literally everyone hated that

>>96172430
FF was a good storm because its fans are both REALLY dedicated, it has mainstream appeal, everybody has their own favourite FF, and there's also just a weird dearth of FF-related collectable shit for people to buy because Squeenix doesn't know how to leverage a brand.
The only thing I could see doing better would be Star Wars but we're sort of in a Star Wars fatigue right now. Marvel and DC are both real popular, but Marvel fatigue's a thing and both it and DC have the issue of both being chock-full of collector shit already.

>>96172430
I don't think so - most of the bigger IPs in the west are already so tapped that fans don't need to buy magic cards to consume. FF was an underserved market that still had a big western autdience.
The other best ones are probably legit videogames or anime, although I don't watch anime enough to know what's popular. I'm also not sure there's a big enough videogame franchise to compete, and the biggest active anime franchise I know of (one piece) already has a direct competitor.
>>96172448
I use beta REBs and alpha BEBs (also alpha disenchants, but that card is crept out now) - they weren't insanely expensive at the time though
They're sick, not gonna lie.

>>96172448
I spent $120 on a playset of beta REBs when the A25 version was like $1/playset

>>96172430
>real question. is there any UB crossover that mtg could do that would actually out perform Final Fantasy in demand and sales?
I can think of ten Anime that would outsell it actually

>>96172457
>One Piece
Unlikely anytime soon.
>DBZ
Possible, would be successful but I dunno if it'd beat FF.
>Naruto
In current year? No.
>Avengers
We're getting Marvel, so we'll see.
>Blizzard
Highly unlikely because Hearthstone is one of MTG's main competitors.
>Dota 2
Dota 2's a weird niche popular thing I dunno if it'd sell that well as a set.
>League
They're making a League card game so that's probably off the table right now.
>HoN
Why.
>Proper 40k set
That's certainly possible and would sell "good" but not gangbusters, 40k people already spend all their money on 40k.
>Proper BG3 set
We basically had one, also not really UB.
>Capcom vs MTG
A neat idea, just sort of an all-star set of Capcom shit? Again, would do good, but not greater than FF, I think. I think people overestimate how much 'lottery cards' matter, too. They're a boost, not the main drive.

>>96172430
Grand Theft Auto UB to match the release of GTA 6.

Search your feelings, you know it's inevitable.

>>96172465
beta elemental blasts is smart.
MTGO ones are getting up there now lol
wonder if the chinaman will ever get beta cards worked out

>>96172487
I don't think GTA players know what MTG is.

>>96171713
The difference is and this would a rude awakening to wotc, is that FF only made those numbers because FFags are insane whales who will shell out thousands of dollars just to get a shiny version if their husbandos and waifus. Spudroman and Avatar wont reach the same heights, let alone 99% of other UBs because they dont have a fanbase that is both willing and able to shell out money for overpriced stuff on the spot. And even then, look at the Spiderman cards, even if you look at them from both a design and power level perspective theyre unexciting and phoned-in. JotC and Cocks doesnt realize this and think just because FF made a gorillion dollars day 1 then any pop culture collab is going to one up the last one; it wont.

>>96171752
go to arena, pick a starter deck you like and play vs other people's starter decks.

What you're seeking doesn't exist in paper magic.

>>96172503
I still dunno why the Spider-Man cards are so underwhelming mechanically. They've usually been good at nailing UB designs. Mark Rosewater is a ridiculously huge comics fan. These just feel like grab-bag designs half the time and just uninteresting the other half.

>>96172503
>tutorable with recruiter of the guard
if you have a vial on 2 and a vial on 3 this guy is wrath protection at instant speed

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96172404
no, you retard, I'm simply rejecting the stupid commie slogan that completely ignores reality, if you want to boycott wizards and its products with another competitior, I'll be the first one to advocate for your cause, because that's what capitalism is, voluntary exchange of goods and services, and not "when company does bad thing I don't like"

>>96172515
maybe you should actually post about your deck and games you play, instead of spamming the same links over and over and over every single thread.

lol the jews really captured this animal's mind
>>96172527

>>96172430
Maybe zelda

>>96172527
NTA but that's not capitalism. Even nomadic Africans practice "voluntary exchange of goods and services"
Capitalism is when industry is privately owned, hence the "capital" part of capitalism. The owner's capital makes more of itself through the ownership of the business or industry because it turns a profit.

>>96172528
>the same links
The Order of the Sacred Torch happened last weeked...
Also, what do you want to know about my decks? I run two paper Premodern decks with only EX / NM old original cards (no proxies). A Goblins deck and a Reanimator deck.
I lost pretty hard against a Stasis deck this Sunday with my Gob one, which was to be expected, but had a very easy time against it with my Reanimator one since I could simply just continuously discard my hand to either Putrid Imp or Zombie Infestation. In fact, in one game I just ended up killing my Stasis opponent with the Putrid Imps and didn't even had to reanimate any of my dragons.
Chances are I am going to take my Reanimator deck to the tournament that's happening 3 weeks from now.

>>96172539
Nintendo stuff broadly COULD maybe outdo FF, Pokemon in specific, but Pokemon also has its own really big card game that already attracts the collectors. Zelda/Mario might do something, but who knows. Nintendo tends to hate... Giving their IP to anybody, basically.

realistically, a fate / type moon collab would beat FF

>>96172430
>You know what that means. There's going to be a second FF set at some point.
Good. I look forward to it. Let this one breach the spinoffs. Let this one bring in more esoteric ideas that we DESERVE. Give us more modernized mechanics. I want a colorless Venat legendary creature. I want Dresspheres as equipment. I want a Sky Fortress Bahamut Station and a Vayne who Melds with it to become The Undying. I want the Highwind vehicle. I want Faris, I want Krile, I want Princess Sarah, and I want Eiko, damn it all.

>>96172547
I'll be honest, I never clicked the links past the first time since you just spam it over and over (and I assume people are in the same boat).
Post a picture of your deck, talk about your matches, and people will actually engage.
I also like premodern, but I haven't been able to make it to my LGS recently to play. Here's what I currently have built, although I also want to put together either UW naught or landstill.

>>96172142
Bending indicator, maybe
since there are 4 bending types but 5 magic colors

>>96172572
oh, it should be mentioned that premodern was finally able to give me another use for the alpha disenchant mentioned in >>96172465 . You can even see the corners, which are unique to alpha.

>>96172053
Evil people cannot create anything beatiful

>>96172430
Hololive. Vtuber fags are the biggest, juiciest whales on the planet.

>>96172538
you can criticize a company without being a commie you dumbfuck

>>96172543
>because it turns a profit.
and where does that profit comes from?

>>96172625
>being a commie
being a jew*

>>96172572
>never clicked the links past the first time since you just spam it
Each link is different though... It sends you to the latest top tournament that happened, which I even list bellow the number of people who took part in it.
There really isn't much to talk about it here though, hence why I just post the list and move on...
I am still hoping more people will give the format a chance given the current state that everything else in this game is right now.
Besides Premodern and Old School, the only other format I would consider decent was Pauper, but recently it's been so unbalanced that it no longer seems enjoyable to me.
Regarding the deck photos, I've been meaning to do that for a while, though I keep slightly tuning them both with the constant meta changes / matches I end up facing. Plus I'm also lazy so I just haven't gotten around to do it...
I've recently added one more Goblin Goon to my Goblin deck based on the list that ranked 3rd in the latest Duress Crew event and I found that both worked fairly well (I was running one to begin with), but I still can't seem to beat Stasis with it.
Your BW control will surely have an easier time though I think, specially after you sideboard, but it's always a rather "grindy" kind of match... I don't really like that Stasis has gotten a rise in popularity again, honestly.
Also, luckily LGS is trying to push Premodern a bit, but I somewhat feel like it's not doing much. It amazes me how kids these days just keep on eating the literal slop that Wizards of the Coast keep dishing out. One expansion after the other within the time-frame of 1-2 months... And each worse than the previous.
If it weren't for Premodern, I wouldn't have touched this game again.

>>96172625
Ideally from putting out a better product. Realistically from financial engineering, lobbying, and using your capital to buy out the competition.

>>96172457
>>hon (lol)
I laughed

>>96172127
Comic artists have been able to sell their original act since the 70s.

>>96172457
Hot take, I don't think any individual anime franchise could outperform FF besides maybe One Piece (which has its own card game, so it's probably the least likely to get its own set). I think your best bet would be some full sloppa Shounen Jump medley so you can hit the broadest audience possible. If you can open a pack of Magic cards and pull an Itadori Yuji, Kobeni, Neji, Yamcha, Chad, Leorio, and Inosuke at once, you'll make more money than the company is currently worth.

>>96171000
Why?

>>96172568
>entire deck is waifu spam, assuming they use Fate GO and not just FSN
>plenty of magic and other gimmicks for spells
>tons of servants and creatures to pick from
I could dig it.

I’m going to pre release tmrw for edge of eternity. What are the go to cards to get for the drafting and what money cards to look out for?

>>96172726
Nta, but I think it will be hard to hit the same high that FF did. Classic FF hits the nostalgia hard for a lot of people born in the 90s or earlier and it's a staple for performative nerds on top of that. Ironically FF being in a slump as a franchise is actually beneficial for the set, since people are so deprived for good FF content. That's hard to replicate for other franchises, where often people are suffering from fatigue and oversaturation rather than deprivation. Avatar theoretically is in a similar spot to FF, but it's a much smaller franchise.
All that said, we'll see how this Spider-Man set does. It'll prove whether they can overcome fatigue or not.

I can't believe attractive hot girls are back in MTG universe

What's the best Pyroclasm art?
I don't think the original is very good

>>96172796

>>96172817
that is the best but I kind of want old borders
so probably Portal (for being fucking weird) or 7E foil.

>new show is in production, sparking a young audience interest
>two well selling games
>generational influence for all ages, older fans are in 30-40 age
>hardcore fans are known for collecting stuff
>survived cancel culture

Yep, it's gonna happen any time soon

Naruto expansion soon bros!

>>96172837
I would love this just to see the WotC staff absolutely lose their shit.

>>96172736
Ancient Tomb is the big one. IIRC the regular version is $100, and the alt design is close to $500. Other than that, most cards are under $1 or maybe $20 for a few good ones.

>>96172568
It would be hilarious to see how wotc would butcher Jack the Ripper

>>96172896
The easy way out would be to do a full art SF Jack.

>>96172896
In all the Fate collabs that have ever happened they never allowed them to mess with the character designs so I don't think that's happening

>>96172896
It's really, really not hard to cover her up. Fate was literally the first to do it. Just use her first ascension art as a base.

>read about Fate a couple of years back
>The first threat you meet is some guy who's ability is that he can kill anyone with 100% accuracy by altering causality itself
>he's a jobber
What the fuck lmoa

>>96172568
People die when they are killed
B
Enchantment
All creatures lose indestructible and can not regenerate

>>96172796
The eighth edition one. My favorite Incinerate art was the Mirage one.

>>96172945
Regenerate's a dead mechanic, it would be sufficient to say "Until end of turn, all creatures lose indestructible and cannot have or gain indestructible" and maybe a second line of "Until end of turn, creatures cannot enter the battlefield from the graveyard"

>>96171608
No. this is fake.

>>96172966
Anon, I...

>>96172941
Luck E tends to fuck you like that.

>>96172594
The left cannot create, not necessarily evil

I'm cooking up a way to make spaceships good

How long will it take before the most entrenched UB players lift their heads from the trough and realize they don’t even like the slop anymore?

>>96173011
As soon as there's an UB set for something they personally dislike.

>>96172109
It’s just one of many possible phases of human organization and society. It brings a lot of rapid production and progress, but will inevitably destroy itself or wither away. There’s no possible scenario where the growth goes on forever in a finite universe. And if we somehow found out how to perfectly transmute matter, something’s gotta give anyway.

>>96173011
The Spider Man set is the first UB set I have hated, mostly because of the Arena situation. I almost only play on Arena and this decision was atrocious

>>96171933
I just want to play with low powered decks.

>>96172371
Everyone who purchased a Universes Beyond pack or deck that wasn't from Lord of the Rings or D&D sets, deserves to be killed.

>>96172506
>playing on the computer
Worse than playing D&D on the computer. Utterly soulless
>What you're seeking doesn't exist in paper Magic
That was what I was trying to say. Outside of my small cluster, it doesn't work, and that is an objective problem with the community, not me. I'm not even being ironic, it is everyone else who is wrong.

I play mountain, tap it for black vise and end my turn.

>>96172973

>>96172625
>>96172543
>profit
Enjoy it while it lasts

>>96172950
This is also my favorite Incinerate art.

>>96173021
What I don’t understand is why they don’t just print the canon card names and designs alongside the spiderman set. The R&D and commissioned art is by far the most time consuming part of the process, and they’ve assuredly had to plan for all of this well in advance knowing marvel wouldn’t let them use their characters digitally. I don’t think wizards has ever actually lost money on a set when you remove the cost of r&d and art from the cost part of the equation, so it would literally be free money with no downside and assuage a lot of the concerns from comp players.
Unless their contract didn’t allow that either for some reason.

>Hasbro sees Japan as a "... potential gold mine of potential licence partners for Magic."
Animutranny won. He literally memed anime mtg into existence. What anime franchises will you expect to come into MTG in the following years, /mtg/?

>>96173075
Who the fuck is animutranny?

I have to say I actually thought duskmourn was halfway to a great setting. I enjoy the idea of a fucked up world of random rooms and monsters that a bunch of people have to navigate because it opens a lot of interesting questions about how their factions and cultures would develop, kinda like the IKEA SCP.
But they just couldn’t help themselves from doing Stranger Things and faux 80s horror slop. I feel like a lot of the people obsessed with the “VHS horror” aesthetic are secondaries that don’t even watch the slashers.

>>96173082
>Who the fuck is animutranny?
OH BOY.
https://desuarchive.org/tg/search/text/animutranny/

>>96173075
>Hasbro sees Japan as a "... potential gold mine of potential licence partners for Magic."
>the anime

>>96173035
>literal marxism with no actual data to back it up, just speculation

>>96173083
Ironically, I think I'd've liked Duskmourn more if it had more of a sense of hope and there were at least some more peaceful tracts of The House. The sense that Valgavoth is infallible was too pervasive, a hopeless domain is not fearful, it's just dreary.
They even recognized that in the narrative, saying Valgavoth for most of Duskmourn's history has kept many safe spots for people to linger and survive and rekindle their fear through gain, but then in the same breath they dashed that on the rocks saying that now that he can draw in new prey from outside, the peaceful spots are being deleted and Duskmourn becomes the endless doom spiral that they already knew was unappealing.

I'd make a Stiflenought deck for her.

>>96173075
Probably not any seasonal stuff, those are too short lived for wotc to really capitalize on. I'm guessing on the stuff they do go for they'll pick a popular running manga and then (ideally) time it right after the anime comes out and gets popular with western audiences.

>>96173104
It’s also just pretty absurd that Valgavoth has apparently been near oldwalker levels of power for quite some time (even after the mending he could open a door to other planes with great effort), but he never managed to harvest a spark? Not a single soul from duskmourn ever ignited? Ever? I think they also said he was strong enough to fully block the phyrexian invasion, somehow.
Not that it’s relevant now with the omenpath BS.

>>96173094
>Marxism is dirty scary word to me because I’m ideologically enslaved to a system that wants nothing good for me
TRPTF is an objective fact, unless you just think that chart is a random squiggle based on nothing. Sorry!

>>96172503
I would be very interested to see how Spider-man and Avatar pans out compared to FF, but that would require good sales data when in reality we'll only hear sales numbers if it does well and either crickets or qualified statements if it doesn't.
>>96173075
I for one, welcome our new anime overlords.

>>96173093
No one I know who’s an actual vocaloid or utau fan liked this lair. The art was super fugly and has nothing to do with any of the music anyone actually loves from producers. The only person I knew who bought it was a fat tranny at my LGS who said “I’m trans so I have to love miku teehee” but couldn’t name a single song using her.

So how do I survive prerelease tomorrow? What's the secret to not getting my ass beaten immediately?

>We could have great UBs like Elden Ring, Silent Hill, Zelda, Wheel of Time, 40k or GoT
>Thanks to FF faggots eating the slop we will have at least a decade of mass media lowest common denominator UBs even if they flop to try and grab sheckels from nerds, casuals and retard coonsomers
Sounds great honestly I can’t wait to see the Rick and Morty UB. I really can’t pray for Hasbro bankrupt enough.

>>96173129
A spark igniting coincides with first planeswalk. If somebody ignites on duskmourn, they'll just never return.

>TQ
>aggro boros deck
>midrange orzhov deck
>tempo simic deck
all of these with shocks + fastlands + verges, I like having good mana

>>96173164
play good,

>>96173167
But we haven’t seen or heard of anyone being from there prior, and if Valgavoth could drag people in pre omenpath, he probably had a lot of control over locking people in.
It’s all just not very well explained, and overall bleak.

>>96172461
I liked 3x blocks, especially mirrodin2 and innistrad1 back to back aces

>>96171574 (OP)
Honestly the only deck I see strong right now is whatever plays this motherfucker.
He avoided bans I don’t know how. (Well we all know it’s because he comes from Final Fantasy)

>>96173166
>40k
are you implying that everyone here should've bought the commander precons?

>>96173185
>implying they'd instantly ban the #1 chase card that sells packs
Next you're gonna tell me they should ban Ancient Tomb.

>>96173181
It's not that weird to have a plane with no known walkers from it. Also, being able to keep planeswalkers from leaving a plane is no small feat. The only known instance of it was the immortal sun, which required a spark to work. Moving between planes, however, that is technologically mass producible for anybody with the know how.

>>96173192
No because just like LOTR set you were not “forced” before to buy UB, now is different, they are shoving down your throat this crossover shit and they expect you to buy and eat this garbage in whatever flavor of shit they make it. Now is unavoidable

>next rotation doesn't happen until the first set of 2027 comes out
2026 is gonna feel like total slog, just like 2023 did

>>96173221
It’s been a while but didn’t memnarch have a whole plan for farming a spark and yoinking it?

>>96173228
Can you imagine? When almost every Standard set is out and we are stuck with Spooderman, ATLA, FF and whatever shit they decide for 2026?

>check EOE prices
>packs cost $8 or so
>collector packs cost $25
>literally every card, save for a few, is like $2 or less
Someone explain to me why you would ever want to buy packs. I suppose there's the idiots who gamble for pay day with rare stuff, but that really all there is to it?

>>96173236
Yes, but the transferal process took several million souls to fuel.

>>96173249
How else are you going to build up your card pool, retard? You forget to take into account the commons and uncommons.

>>96173263
Commons and uncommons are a few cents each, and they'll crash even harder within a month. You save huge amounts if you just want to buy specific cards for a deck instead of endlessly fishing with packs.

>>96173236
The entire plane of Mirrodin was a machine, built over Argentum, with the purpose of harvesting a spark. It was also pre mending.
Karn is the only true instance of successful spark transferal(from Urza to him) in mtg lore.

>>96173249
>I suppose there's the idiots who gamble for pay day with rare stuff, but that really all there is to it?
Yup, also casuals who are only buying a couple packs as a novelty. Any sane person only opens packs for Limited.

>>96172430
It think one thing a lot of people miss is that FF isn't just "one" IP, it is actually 18+ related IPs with overlapping fanbases. The FF UB stuff was pretty much lightning in a bottle and can't really be repeated by any one IP even if they release additional FF sets.

>>96172503
Yup, as I said here
>>96172430
No crossover will ever reach the same profits that Final Fantasy gave them, there's literally nothing better. They just mentioned how Lord of the Rings took 6 months to generate what FF did in a day. Lord of the Fucking Rings.

They're not stupid, they know this. And so the path forward is simple, any of us can see what the most profitable next step is. More FF. A second FF set next year, a third the year after, this is the most money making thing they can do. So they will. Guarantee it. Expect more FF sets.

>>96173267
I’m gonna be real I forgot it was pre-mending. I’m rusty

>>96173287
>They're not stupid, they know this. And so the path forward is simple, any of us can see what the most profitable next step is. More FF. A second FF set next year, a third the year after, this is the most money making thing they can do. So they will. Guarantee it. Expect more FF sets.

I doubt follow up sets will do as well as the first set. I'd more expect a sharp drop off between the first and the second FF set. More versions of Cloud, Terra, Zenos, Yuna, Zidane etc. are not going to sell better than the original novelty of favorite "FF character as a MtG card."

>>96172569
It's kind of fucked up that Lenna isn't even on a card, speaking of FF5. Galuf, Faris and Krile at least show up.

>>96172950
That one is hard because 5th and Ice Age are also excellent. I tend to lean towards 5th edition in almost all cases though. What a great set.

crazy how flavorful Final Fantasy was and how fucking bland and boring spider-man is

>>96173287
>More FF. A second FF set next year, a third the year after, this is the most money making thing they can do. So they will. Guarantee it. Expect more FF sets.
Got no idea what kind of contract WotC and Square Enix had for this set but one potential wrench would be having to renegotiate for another set. Of course Square Enix would want a bigger slice if they're posting numbers like that.

>>96173349
To be fair, we're judging almost entirely on commons, uncommons and starter deck cards. The few main set cards we've seen besides don't exactly enthuse me much, admittedly.

>>96173075
/mtg/ and /a/ partnership when?
We even have a mutual link

>>96173355
>one potential wrench would be having to renegotiate for another set
I mean, is there any world where it's still not massively worth it? Even if you have to pay Squenix like 5 times more for the liscence, it's still got to be the most money makingest thing they can print.

So this is what await all of us in this game? No more “Which plane will be next set” but “Which franchise will be the next set” in an endless spiral of prostitution? Maybe is a good time to leave it…

>>96173349
Final Fantasy was an embarrassment when it comes to flavorful adaptations of the cards it was supposed to be representing. Haste Magic is probably the most egregious example since it was such an easy card to get right.

>>96173386
>it's still got to be the most money makingest thing they can print.
It's POTENTIALLY the most money makingest thing they can do, we're ASSUMING that demand for FF will hold for however long it takes to design and print another set.
I'm not saying it won't, but it's far from certain especially if they started FF2 today it will only come out in what, 2027? Lots can change.

>>96173386
Will it actually be as much of a success without the novelty factor?

>>96173398
I’ll buy your entire collection for 70% of TCG low

>>96173400
how does it feel to be a wrong faggot?

What if LOTR is retroactively Standard legal? Would it change anything in metagame.

>Return to Return to Ravnica will be outdone by the end of the decade by Return to Return to Return to FF

>>96173453
>Bowmaster in Standard
>Flame of Anor in Standard
>Lorien in Standard
>Sam in Pioneer
No. I will say it again: No.

>>96172457
anon you're beyond delusional if you think even half of these would get sets, let alone sell well
hon hasn't even existed as an IP for what, a decade?

>>96173467
grn block sucked hot anus though
easily one of the worst in recent memory

>>96173355
>>96173386
both wotc and squeenix would love more money for effectively free and they were already asking if people wanted a return a few weeks ago
would be very surprised if we don't have at least 1 more ff set before the decade is done

>>96173349
ff was a shit set lol, spiders is just mega dogshit.

>>96173508
>and they were already asking if people wanted a return a few weeks ago
They were?
I haven't played FF but wasn't the set a 'greatest hits' of the whole franchise? What would they do for a second? Same characters with different mechanics?

>>96173516
1. They missed a lot. It's 16 whole games, there's plenty that slipped through the gaps, even if they're not critical fan favorites.
2. Final Fantasy is a tremendous franchise with several dozen spinoffs. The set did not include ANY spinoff material. There's so many FFVII spinoffs they could do another FFVII set alone, I'd bet.

Mtg in 2025 be like
https://youtu.be/9Un2CD5Cgd4

>Timelesd on Arena will be the only format where you can play 4 Strip Mine. Not been in Vintage

This is based as fuck honestly, I want to play this and Blood Moon to cause zoomers to crash out

>>96173540
*Timeless
*not even in Vintage

On my phone sorry

>>96173426
You tell me.
Haste should give a creature double strike. Hastega should be an extra turn spell.
But the JotC designers saw the word 'haste' and said 'hmm lets make it give creatures haste'.

>>96173575
You'd complain if they made Haste give double strike and not haste.

>>96173586
I would congratulate the designers at JotC for not taking the low-hanging shit option.

>>96172515
BRAZIIIIIL

>>96173727
where?

>>96172837
>>96172883
It would make me very happy to see Hasbro force the true believers at WotC to work on Potter.
Just imagine the fucking meltdowns.

>>96173516
anon even in mainline games they left out a shitload of stuff (including the guy on literally all of the packaging, for some reason) that they could probably get another entire set out of without much issue
and then there's the handful of sequels
and the infinite spinoffs (tactics, strangers of paradise, crystal chronicles)
and the adjacent franchises like bravely default
if squeenix died tomorrow they would still have enough material for AT LEAST 2-3 more entire FF sets, and they can of course just throw in another cloud or something and call up amano for another easy 200 million in a day

>>96172605
>Hololive

>>96173752
Honestly, if they do another FF set; I wonder if it'll take as long to develop as the first one, or a shorter time.

>>96173185
This card is the new sheoldred
>affordable creature that wins the game instantly when you untap with it
>gets printed because le dies to removal

>>96173855
I can see them doing a Final Fantasy set again but with a shorter dev time and do Final Fantasy Universes Beyond 2: Ivalice Alliance covering only the Tactics games, more XII and Vagrant Story but that wont really sell as much. The right move is to do another 3-4 year dev time and offer an actual 2nd full FF set. That can be their new emergency break glass option too.

>>96171752
>"I keep eating shit but no matter how I cook it and what spices I add it still tastes like shit"
Game is done, find another hobby, play boardgames, you'll have way more fun once you accept that the game will never be like in your memories and just move on

I'm hyped for the EoE sealed prerelease. I'm hoping to open some good removal and bomb rares so I can build dimir or rakdos. What are you planning/hoping to build tomorrow?

>>96174095
I'm only playing Premodern.

>>96174105
I play UG madness in premodern because that's the deck that was popular when I first started playing the game. Fuck upheaval and tog

How am I supposed to use this faglord? I am playing a modified precon, WU detective deck. It's a mythic rare so I think it should be useful but the cost of his ability is so high I would rather just sacrifice the Clue itself most times. The only way to make it worthwhile is to use up all my mana which is basically costing me a turn.
What am I missing here? Is there some combo or strategy I'm not realizing? The best use I can think of this guy is to attack and tap all mana to draw cards and hope I survive next turn.

>"Midrange"
>20 1-drops and a curve that caps out at 4 mana

what an atrocity of game design

>>96174197
>I am playing a modified precon
Found your problem right here anon.

>>96174277
Midrange is slop Magic.
Tempo? Now we are talking.

>>96174197
hold up instant speed interaction like removal and couterspells, if your opponent plays anything good counter/kill it, if not, dump as much mana as possible into his ability.

the fact that you can do it at anytime is what makes it useful since you don't have to get locked into the choice until you know what your opponent is doing.

>>96173287
>They're not stupid, they know this. And so the path forward is simple, any of us can see what the most profitable next step is. More FF. A second FF set next year, a third the year after, this is the most money making thing they can do. So they will. Guarantee it. Expect more FF sets.
BLEED.
THAT.
STONE.
DRY.

Then what?

>then what?

no one cares, we need to maximize shareholder profit this quarter, we'll worry about that next quarter.

>>96174087
tactics tertiaries are always weird

>>96172503
wotc knows ff was the jackpot and that spooderman and atla are gonna be much weaker sellers
this isn't a "big shock to the system" it's been their plan for the past few years
the ceo said it in plain language

>>96174292
Ooooo I see so playing WU I play like I have counter spells or flash or just bluff it and wait until opponent's end step to activate his ability. And his vigilance let's him attack and block and use his ability all at the same time.
I normally play Boros aggro, I've never tried the blue counter shit. It's definitely a different mindset.

>>96173287
>They're not stupid, they know this. And so the path forward is simple, any of us can see what the most profitable next step is. More FF. A second FF set next year, a third the year after, this is the most money making thing they can do. So they will. Guarantee it. Expect more FF sets.
if it means one less aetherdrift, duskmourn, thunder junction, and murders then I'd welcome it with open arms
nu tarkir was barely passable enough to make me not completely hate it, at least

So what will be the best land destruction deck in standard post rotation?

>>96173540
but will it be enough to make any decks viable besides Show and Tell and Energy?

mtg wouldn't risk losing their brand by selling out to be a brand vehicle. stability is way more important than massive short term profits.

>>96174277
>a curve that caps out at 4 mana
bloodbraid elf?

>>96174481
anon mtg has not had a desirable brand since the early 00s what timeline do you think you're in
why do you think we get all the crossovers but the amount of things that have gotten mtg shit is like, a single dead moba and fucking ihop?

>>96174488
BBE was CMC1 with hoops.

>>96174330
as a general rule you should always wait as long as possible to use instant speed interaction.
don't just throw your lightning bolt at the biggest thing it can kill, see what they attack with, see if they play a better target.

>>96173075
There better be something Taimanin related for Magic.

>>96174519
as a general rule you should always bolt the bird immediately
never wait on your lightning bolt to see if they will play something bigger, always kill the first target before they get a chance to attack

>>96174546
that's why I said its a general rule anon, obviously "bolt the bird" is the situation where you want to kill it before they can use the mana it would generate.

>Went through even more insect brews, including a 4/5-color brew that only uses golgari lands, to moderate success
>All of them require AT LEAST a playset of Overlord of the Balemurk, or else the deck has a 50% chance of floundering about and doing basically nothing
Is the juice worth the squeeze, or should I wait to see how toxic the upcoming meta turns out to be?

>>96174519
Yeah I'm aware of that, even with boros I wait until they declare attackers for my Lightning Helix etc. I'm just used to using all mana every turn to get creatures out and attack go go go. It's a different game waiting for your opponent to act.

>>96174546
Mana dorks get the axe.

>>96172547
>losing to the hard control deck when you're an ultra aggressive aggro deck
>that shits out card advantage with ringleader
>and shits out mana advantage with lackey, prospector, and warchief
>and you can dodge counterspells with lackey trigger
Did you forget your REB at home cuck boy? Insane that you spam about PM when you are a 2 deck dog who can't play for shit

>>96172503
>Spiderman cards, even if you look at them from both a design and power level perspective theyre unexciting and phoned-in
Is you retarded? Most of the cards that were spoilered were from the Welcome decks. Pls get good before you rage.

>>96174197
3/3 Vigilance with upside that also draws you a Sphinx's Rev while he's alive,
didn't make it in standard... feelsbadman

>>96174330
>smartest aggrotard activates 2 neurons for the first time in her life

Anyone have a deckbox or sleeves they particularly like?
I'm gonna buy new ones

>>96171749
>doesn't know sonic boom
ok chris chan

>>96172430
>>96172389

Harry Potter Set, when ?

>>96174861
not canon

>>96173752

Still mad we didn't have Fujin and Raijin or more boss monsters.

>>96172371
This is going to dry out so fucking hard I can wait

They do the top 20-50 most popular IPs, and THEN what?

>LE UNDERPERFORMING?????

WHAT THE HECKIERNO DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT GAME OF THRONES AGAIN - PART 2 HOUSE OF THE DRAGON SET?? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT LE MARIO KART SET!!?? IT'S LIKE THAT LAST MAINLINE-GAME MARIO SET, BUT THIS TIME THEY'RE ALL IN HECKIN' EPIC GO-KARTS?!! DON'T YOU WANT IT?

COME ON!!! EAT IT UP GOYS, IT'S THE IPS YOU LIKE! REMEMBER!?

>>96172430
Harry Potter and Zelda

>>96174875
just like UB

>>96174899
cope

>>96173075
Most Japanese franchises are either popular only inside Japan or don't have material for the full standalone set.

>>96174895
Then the market crashes and they sell MtG to the highest bidder. Hasbro is a corporation. They do not believe in the concept of a long term. Short term profits is their only interests. When something stops making short term profits, they stop making it.
You seem to think they're afraid of that. They aren't.

>>96174895
>They do the top 20-50 most popular IPs, and THEN what?
that's 16.5 years of sets anon
I'm sure they'll think of something by then

MtG once had a soul.

>>96174980
This SOVL still exists in Premodern, anon.
It's time to come back.

>>96174983
sorry I am not brazilian nor do I live in the favela

>>96174985
?

>>96174095
This will probably be my first prerelease since... I think I did Midnight Hunt? I've been looking through the archetypes and I have no idea what their plan was for BG. Only a dozen cards card about your graveyard, and half of them are white or blue. Regardless, I hope I get a good pool of cards to work with so that I don't have to think too hard about what deck to build.

>>96174954
Didn't you hear Mr. Goldberg? There's too much demand left on the table!!
Operations need to be ramped up and should be a UB set every single month of the year!!

>Green Ramp

>universes beyond bravely default

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bpe5ZTLcn6k
where my vintage players at

>FF set was a massive success that Hasbro is likely gonna have WotC cancel all in universe sets and only make UB
If the next UBs end up bombing hard, will they abandon the idea?

I'm new to this. Is it normal for people to be at each other's throats for the collector packs at a LGS? Some of the employees told me they've had to call the cops in the past.

>>96175217
only in america

>>96175217
>Is it normal for people to be at each other's throats for the collector packs at a LGS
no, but FF is special

>>96175236
So will EOE get the same treatment? I personally really like the theme, but it doesn't seem to generate as much hype as FF.

>>96175245
Will EoE have boosters so rare and valuable that store owners have to call the cops to break up fights?

No. Lol no. Lmao not even.

>>96174712
Anon, look at the common and uncommons spoiled. Theyre from the main set. The mechanics shown arent really exciting either. You have Web Support which is just a flavor keyword for graveyard abilities you've seen from past cards and more recrntly in TDM, then you have Mayhem which is just Madness with less mechanical baggage. Webslinging is just a Spooderman themed Freerunning from ACR. Normally these commons and uncommons should give you an idea of what to expect but so far its not really doing it for me

Webslinging is THE worst mechanic of all time.

I'm shocked that we've gotten to a place where I can look at Companion and have something nice to say about it. With Companion, you at least had some semblance of the keyword's flavor matching its implementation.

WHAT. THE FUCK. Does bouncing your own dude have to do with Spiderman slinging webs? TOTAL, COMPLETE, UTTER design failure.

>>96175438
>WHAT. THE FUCK. Does bouncing your own dude have to do with Spiderman slinging webs?
something something he pulls tha tapped dude away using a web to throw himself onto the field

>>96175186
>If the next UBs end up bombing hard, will they abandon the idea?
No.
They will use the excuse of "It was just a bad choice of IP" or some similar shit.
Then if ten bomb in a row, it'll be the same excuse ten times.
Understand this:
NO CORPORATION EVER ADMITS FAILURE.
It is ILLEGAL for them to admit failure. Fiduciary responsibility means admissions of failure equal lawsuits with substance.

This is how the corporate world works.
A CEO with no interest in a particular field enters a company in that field, sucks the IP dry, then leaves before it crumbles so they can still put "10x'd Gigazoomer Ultrabrigade's profits!" on their resume. Then blame the collapse, THAT THEY CAUSED, on the next guy instead of themselves.

The entire corporate world is built to encourage self-destructive shortmindedness.

>set does bad
>doomposting over how it's over
>set does good
>doomposting over how it can never reach that peak again

Nosewater here, seeing how much you all love UBs (and how much money we are making haha) I'm give YOU the choice of the next UB! That's right, power to the people, haha!

>>96172837
Wouldn't last book Harry be more of a Grixis character? Maybe Esper? He is using mind controlling spells and shit, my man was fighting fire with fire at the end there.

God I hope something kills Vivi. The deck is so ass to play.

>>96173249
Packs are for drafting. That's the only reason why I buy them occasionally anyways.

>>96175510
>he hates unlimited mana

>>96175510
>The deck is so ass to play.
With AND against. It is manifest cancer of the worst degree.

you know what I dislike? Space Opera
you know what I dislike even more? Superheroes

I'm glad this streak of pure, unadulterated shit pushed me away from this game for good this time

>>96175516
Nigga foundations is RIGHT THERE for the more traditional style.

>>96175516
Nosewater here, we hear you! That's why the next set, Avatar, has neither superhero nor space opera! Buy some packs haha!

>>96175524
I'd rather eat shit and die, than playing this game again

lorwyn and strixhaven will save us

>>96175516
even the marvel slurpers in my bubble dislike the spiderman spoilers so far. i think marvel will flop compared to lotr and ff.

>>96175516
I love how they (supposedly) got lots of new players with the FF set, only to instantly bombard them with EOE and SPM immediately afterward just to make 100% sure they will bounce off of Magic hard and just keep their one FF deck forever.

>>96175544
the lorwyn artworks will be peak SOVL

>t. my friend working at ultimate guard

>>96175548
One of the members of my playgroup owns a comic supply business and he is the biggest Spider-Man nut out there...and he doesn't give two shits about the Magic set. I don't understand who the product is for. Comics in general are at an all time industry low, and the Marvel / Spider-Man movies are doing absolutely awful right now.

Comic investors & collectors (the few that remain) know that they can just pick this up later for pennies after it crashes because that is how comics work. This is going to be a dumpster fire.

>>96175570
Inb4 strong black woman leader type in Lorwyn thanks to Omenpaths

>>96175586
>black and asian elves
>black and asian kithkin
>black and asian giants
>black and asian merfolks
>black and asian [insert your favourite tribe]

>>96175586
afaik Avatar The last Airbender was pre-woke and has no black people, just various shades of brown.

>>96175600
didn't stop them from inventing one for final fantasy

>>96174863
There were supposed to be Harry Potter cards in Strixhaven. But WoTC didn't want to do anything with terfs at the time.

>>96175743
The only source people have for this is "just trust me I have a feeling bro".

How are your lgs doing with player numbers for in store tournaments? A couple of my places have pretty much died out

>>96175586
Omenpaths were an atrocity upon the Magic IP.
Diluting every plane into generic slopland was a horrible decision.

>>96175822
If you can't tell that Strixhaven was 100% a Harry Potter set before they got the ick then I don't know what to tell you.

>>96175955
Magic School is a subgenre. They could've just been doing that as a set. Like they do for other genres.

Fuck I hate WotC so much it's unreal. They don't deserve magic.

this might be controversial but I wish they banned emberheart challenger instead of heartfire hero, the haste part of the creature is so fucking annoying

Newb here, is it too late to try playing mtg? I just went to a place for the first time today and had some fun with starter decks but everyone here seems to be dooming about the state of the game.

I got a FNM 3-card promo pack for EoE
how bad is this gonna be?
$2 in value?

>>96176067
Depends. If you're a demi-gender transwoman of colour I'd say it's a great time to start.

>>96176067
Nah, most of the doomposting comes from nostalgia. Part of the territory when it comes to stuff with a long history. If you tried it out and enjoyed it, then just do it.

>>96176067
The gameplay post FIRE is ass, the game is overly expensive and you are forced to throw out your 1000$ deck every 6 months, take a guess.

so

UG kona with stock up, omni, marang, lost in the maze
OR
WG kona with seriema, big legendary fatties

>>96171574 (OP)
>mono white still less than 2% of the meta after 10 years
Powerful
White
Cards

>>96176067
depends what you mean.

draft is still usually pretty fun, albeit swingier and bombier than it was in the old days.
you can buy old sealed product on the cheap and play with friends, or even play entire old formats as friendly games with proxies or simulators.
mtga is an "ok" f2p experience if you like draft and don't want to play more than an hour or two per day.

but if you mean "get into" mtg as in "busting packs and drafting for fun and profit so that you can build a competitive deck and enter sanctioned events, and then eventually maybe cash out and recoup a significant chunk of your investment", then, see the previous replies to your post.

>>96176067
whenever new spoilers come out it brings tourists here to screech about the things they've been ordered

I see, guess the best way to play currently for someone like me is to just join some of the casual draft sessions, thanks

>>96175377
>Web Support
?
We also have connive and maybe Modify.

>>96175438
You save a citizen in danger and the hero enters the scene.

>>96176363
If you don't have any attachment or investment in this game there's no reason for you to play, the art is bad, the gameplay is dogshit and it's expensive, if you have people playing sorcery tcg or flesh and blood it's better to start on those.

>>96176035
That isn't controversial at all - it is what most people expected to happen. The only people complaining about Hero don't understand how aggro actually plays out (read: Arena shitters who leave the game as soon as they see turn 1 mountain, Hero, go).

>>96176388
I thank god white and green never got any good 1 mana ETB triggers and nightmare was banned
one of the most cancerous combination of cards you could have on turn 2 is
>mist elder frog
>pixie
>nightmare
and every turn opponent loses 2 life and discards a card and you put another +1/+1 counter on your frog, and that's just 2 mana per turn and never stops

fact its 3 colors kept it back

>all time sales record
Wait isn't this good news? It means we are gonna get more/better products and coverage in the future.
Do you guys want the game to die?

>>96176406
>sorcery tcg or flesh and blood
name three things that are good about them, with examples

>>96176451
I want mtg to be mtg not whatever it is now

>>96176451
>scream the game is dying when it has strong sales, because that means more casuals/crossovers
>scream the game is dying when it has weak sales, because no one is buying the latest stuff
It's like you don't understand the art of shitposting.

>>96176463
You literally have Foundations and EOE. What more do you want?

>>96176440
>>96176035
Only people with no deckbuilding sense believed challenger was the issue
Its the most replaceable card in any deck its in. There are almost a dozen other red haste 2 drops ready to take its place. Its competing with all of them

Heartfire was the ONLY truly oppressive one mana red drop because its the only one that could snowball off just 1 mana invested, other than Mako in its dedicated discard shell. Its the only card that opened up sequencing with 1 & 2 mana cards thanks to manifold mouse. Who the fuck cares about emberheart + manifold? They're both 2 drops, you need to drop them on turn 3 and be very vulnerable interaction and sweepers.
Hired Claw needs you to dump extra mana into it to grow
Swiftspear reverts to being a 1/2 end of turn, no snowballing

I mean I guess stromkirk noble is legal lmao, not like that's a real card compared to heartfire

>>96176463
Thats a genie you can't put back in the lamp. You would need to invent a time machine and stop wizards from doing the ikoria godzilla alt arts, thats how they got their foot in the door.

>>96176468
I don't want to play against miles morales midrange and peter porker tribal is that so much to ask? Game has become a fucking clown world.

>>96176458
The art, the gameplay, the non-jewish practices.

>>96176451
Anon, the issue isn't that it is the best selling set of all time, it is that the metric doesn't tell the whole story. UB Standard sets (of which FIN is the first) have a massively inflated MSRP and there are now less cards in packs / boxes than previous, to boot. FIN also sold heavily in the collector / investor / scalper market which mainline Magic sets typically don't do (Pokemon "investors" also jumped in on FIN for the first and probably the last time, further inflating the numbers).

FIN is a fine set. That isn't the issue. The issue is that it sets the stage for Hasbro / shareholders to do more of the same but instead we instantly see Spider-Man and how mailed-in, bland and boring it is and you clearly see that not all UBs are created equal. In fact, FIN is actually the only stand-out so far in terms of quality, design and product. Every other UB offering has been "ok" at best and bad / awful at worst.

Ok hear me out. Yes UB in standard is shit. But look at this thing. It's adorable.

>>96176520
>the art
lol
>the gameplay
can't comment, haven't played it
>the non-jewish practices
The game that intentionally fishes for whales? The one that has cards rivaling MTG prices, in a game less than a decade old?

>>96176511
Personally I'd rather not either, but that's life. Just go club pig spiderman to death with a bunch of fantasy creatures.

>>96176593
>MY FUCKING CABBAGES

>>96176511
and I don't want to play against mice and squirrels and otters, but it is what it is

So because MTG JP is better at this than normal MTG, there's a little minigame for EOE where you play baseball against Tezzeret.
https://mtg-jp.com/eoegame/

>>96176744
>Winnie the Pooh Homerun v2

>>96176511
Just say you don't like black people, anon

>>96176593
We are reaching levels of ridicule that shouldnt be possible.

QUICK!!! WotC needs your help, this year has been very good thanks to Final Fantasy, but next year shareholders expect the same level of profit. Which 3 franchises you think could enter Magic and give those juicy benefits? Mark trust you!

>>96176840
I'd imagine Monster Hunter could be an interesting one to approach

>>96176840
Fate: Grand Order
The Witcher
One Piece

>>96176840
Hololive
KPop
Helluva Boss
You get what you deserve.

>>96176840
WWF
Pokemon
Avatar (blue cats)

>Peter Parker
>Mono white
Shouldn't he be Jeskai?

>>96176924
WotC made all the "welcome decks" monocolor because they're assuming the Spider-Man audience will be clinically retarded.

>>96176960
They are very, VERY clearly aiming Spider-Man at the lowest age group possible. I'm certain if that is the correct choice, though.

>>96176914
>WWF
I don't think Magic audience is very much into pro wrestling.

>>96176840
I agree with monster hunter anon for 1
Dark souls/fromsoft for 2
Warhammer fantasy for 3

Generally, the best selling UB sets are unsurprisingly the ones with fantasy elements mixed into the setting.

>>96177015
>I don't think Magic audience is very much into pro wrestling.
Thats the point. UB sets aren't aimed at the magic audience, they are aimed at getting non magic players into MTG.

>>96176840
Star Wars
Mario
Harry Potter

Give me my check.

>>96177062
Nintendo would never agree to it.

>>96177082
And WotC would never do a Harry Potter set in (current year) - not even through gritted teeth.

>>96176840
Elden Ring
The Witcher
Games of Thrones
I can assure you every single one of this shits will print dollars like National Treasure

>>96177096
Also true.
>>96177110
GoT has no cultural relevance at this point. They burned all their good will with season 8, and george is done writing the books. I have never seen an IP so quickly vanish from public relevance.

>>96177082
Nintendo LOVES money and selling a product and seeing the numbers FIN made they would jump on it instant.

>>96177181
That's why Samus is in Fortnite, correct?

>>96177181
Back in the day WOTC and gamefreak had a falling out over the pokemon card game. Nintendo isn't going to side with the gaijin, they are going to side with the company they already own 1/3rd of and whose games are regularly their highest exclusives.

>>96177224
No idea what this is supposed to mean.
>>96177265
Read Reggie Phil-Aime's book Disrupting the Game.

>>96177279
Back when Fortnite did the mercenary chapter that featured Master Chief and Kratos, people noted that a Nintendo rep was absent. It turned out that Fortnite approached them with the concept, but they valued brand integrity more than a gazillion Fortnite dollars.

>>96177318
And that has nothing to do with this. You can't deduct a single exchange like that.

>>96177340
>Nintendo makes decision that indicates they value closed ecosystem and creative control more than enormous amount of licensing money
>"Uhhh totally different that means nothing!"

>>96177318
Nintendo was gonna be okay with it, but ONLY if Samus' skin ONLY appeared on the Switch version of Fortnite.

>>96177368
Read the book.

>>96177380
And there we go, there's always a catch.
Still, in this issue, it has no relevance.

EOE is going to be such a tiny blip and go by so fast because the normie mainstream tards are all going to be spazzing out about UB slop. It’s a throwaway set making Unfinity space themes standard legal that nobody cares about.
I’m tired boss

>>96177389
Yes I'm sure a former NoA executive's book is more indicative of the future than literally every decision the company has made since about 2001 when they massively tightened creative control over their IP. Remind me again how many large crossovers Pokemon does because surely WotC isn't the only company willing to pay a bazillion dollars for it so at-least one of them did it before.

>>96177389
>trusting the words of suits over the actions of suits
yeah, and there's a bridge I can sell you

>>96177440
The universes within sets feel more like UB than actual UB sets half the time now. Final fantasy is more wizards and spells than wacky racers or legal unfinity.

>>96176840
posting with an avatar is strictly prohibited here, MaRo. but to answer your question of what to print: the reserved list

>>96177450
>>96177554
>Still missing point
You're right.

>>96176924
UB doesn't adhere to the magic UW colorpie

>>96177568
Oh yeah! I'm so excited to play with Porker and GUY IN A CHAIR! Awesome Magic there from UB slop, fellow consoomer!!! More UB!!! More UB!!!

>>96176840
Batman
Uma musume
Dark souls

>>96177690
>Uma Musume
We are entering the Pedo realm already?

so no hype at all for EOE? the new set that has a lot of really cool looking cards and interesting lore and stuff man? we're just doomposting about spiderman?

Some promo stuff of main set cards were shown too.

>>96177892
EoE? What's that? Spider-Man and Avatar are being teased right now!

Forgot MJ had a whole thing of working for Tony for some reason.

There's also Colonel John Jameson//Man-Wolf as Huntermaster of the Fells//Ravager of the Fells but that's not new so who cares.

WHY IS EVERYTHING A LEGENDARY CREATURE NOW

Also, Mark basically confirmed this set was meant to be smaller at some point and, according to him, they felt they could do more, but the subtext is that it was Assassin's Creed-sized, and they had time to pivot away after Aftermath unlike with ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0XBtux2KgM It's somewhere in that video.

>>96177892
All by design.

>>96177892
EoE has a couple of interesting cards but I really don't care that much. I feel about the same as I felt for the cowboy set. Might make a commander deck with this guy though, because funny.

>>96177930

>>96177930
Because EDH become the default format after wizards got their hands on it and tanked standard. Every card is made for EDH first and the everything else second, even modern horizons 3 had blatant commander bait cards.

>>96177985
This shit is fucking ridiculous. What a clown ass game.

>>96176640
>The game that intentionally fishes for whales?
As much as we talk shit about Collector boosters and cards having 6 art variants, WotC will never dare ditch uncommons and outright introduce multiple higher rarities than Mythic with mechanically unique (and usually meta defining) cards exclusive to those rarities:
>Common
>Rare
>Super Rare
>Majestic
>Legendary
>Fabled
What a fucking shitshow, no wonder whales treated the game like a speculative asset rather than try to actually play it

>>96177930
The reason for everything bad happening to MTG, is EDH.

>>96178002
I'm not gonna bat for FaB but Mythic literally was them introducing a new rarity for meta-defining cards.

>>96177982
cowboy set has some bangers thoughever

>>96178045
Thats what I'm saying. Basically every set ever has some good cards, but I just don't find myself interested in either set as a whole.

>>96177892
Wait until the set releases then we'll have new cancer decks.

>>96178013
Having just a single rarity that's not guaranteed per booster is probably the sweet spot
You have to know that a specific rare is sought after or particularly powerful to have that gambler's rush when you pull it
With a mythic even a clueless new player can know he pulled something great
I don't think special treatments alone can replace the mythic rarity, we'd probably have ended with shortprinted rares if mythics weren't introduced

>>96178129
this is ridiculous wtf
is this standard legal?

>>96178129
>symbiotes are dimir instead of golgari
boo!

Don't care about Spider-Man. Give me Universes Within spoilers already.

https://x.com/wizards_magic/status/1948831816120422674
Holly shit now those faggot made a fucking mini trailer instead of just posting the fucking card.

>>96178155
>Gitaxias but shit
Is all so tiresome...

>>96178133
Meh, we've had similar 3 mana 'thief' cards like this in standard before. Even some with flying, they usually don't see that much play. The fact this can go in mono blue or black might make it played, but we will see.

>>96177930
I was thinking if all these legends would matter in deckbuilding. like having more copies in your hand while one is on the field is a dead card until it gets removed, and they have to or they win the game by themselves.
then I thought if the overabundance of legends would affect the removal spell design. think meddling mage type effects
but then I remembered it's wotc and rather than punish legends they'll just print more powerful ones instead

>>96178170
it fits into dimir reanimator

>>96178013
New rarity yes, meta-defining no. For all their faults, wotc makes way more broken rares than they do mythics, they don't really push all or even most chase cards up there.

>>96178186
Thing card, draw do

Stop posting this shit I hate this I hate this not Magic the Gathering.

>>96178155
>doc oc draws you up to eight
>is a 4/8 and costs 7
It's the griselbrand situation all over again lol

Why does all the art look as if it's AI generated?

I fucking hate those fucking trailer. But since Pokemon Pocket did it they must copy it.

>>96178206
Because you've been buck broken.

>>96178213
Food Chain + Misthollow Griffin + this = your opponent dies

>>96178213
>mantis rider on crack
cool, I guess

>>96178155
trash

>>96178170
that isn't a thief card

>>96178183
Reanimator doesn't need this, unless you can point to an obvious swap out.

But where is UNCLE BEN?

>>96178219
we did it. we broke foodchain

>>96178202
Oh wow they're just completely supplanting OG Gwen with Spider-Gwen huh.

>>96178129
Alt art of this one was shown too.

>>96178129
>get symbiote spider man into your graveyard
>sneak attack out jumbo cactaur
>exile symbiote spider man and put the counter on jumbo cactaur
>hit your opponent with it
>put Thassa’s oracle into your hand and the rest of your deck into the graveyard
>second main cast Thassa’s oracle to instantly win
Ignore the parts of this costing 7 mana total, needing three cards to pull off, having to deal combat damage to your opponent with the jumbo cactaur, and your opponent somehow being alive long enough to actually draw and cast oracle because you just hit them for 10001 damage

And the flip Miles.

>>96178285
Well I nazi that coming.

And a new land that can be anything. Probably good?

>>96178302
Some variants for Miles, too.

>>96176840
Teletubbies, The Handmaid's tale, Magic: The Gathering,

>>96178333
Seems like it's good if you're running 3+ colors and need it for your splash color.

>>96178343

>>96178333
That's actually nice design. Like a fixed shockland. Annoy in paper to remember what was picked though.

Also Gwen got a couple variants.

>>96178333
It's a shockland that only make one color and can't be fetched seems really mid.

>>96177894
cool.
Hope they make in universe of this shit.
>>96177920
meh.
>>96177930
>Guy in a Chair
>Taxi driver
>Mecha guy gangster who isn't named silvermane
Not everyone.
>>96177971
So they could have made it a reasonable set but choose to make slop?
>>96178129
Not bad but as a rare is shit
>>96178155
cool
>>96178186
commander slop
>>96178202
Why make spider gwen?
>>96178213
Wish it had spirit type too so in-universe it could be Thalia with Trafit + a spider.
>>96178302
counters... you like them, right?

>>96178366

Also Spider-Punk, who seems disgusting.

Everyone is missing the bigger picture here:


Guy in Chair can beat up Thalia. Thalia gets bent over by some random fat gooner at a computer like NTR porn.

And some random chucklefucks I guess.

>>96178393
Guy in Chair beats up fucking Cloud Strife

>>96178367
If only they made it count as a basic land while in your library/hand it would be infinitely better. Just kinda meh as is. Is that a mythic rare too?

>>96178403
Look at the rarity letter, it's a Rare.

>>96178343
does he really look that revolting in the original comics?

>>96178411
Everybody looks bad in some comic art at some point.

>>96178397
Wizard really does hate green/white

>>96178367
Any land that comes untapped and can produce any color will make commander players go wild
Might have a place in some niche standard deck if one of the EoE cards that cares about differently named lands end up seeing play

Iron Spider confirmed as in the set, and weirdly enough is Peter in the normal one and MJ in the variant.

My eyes are bleeding

>>96178416
not in my japanese mangos. they are only filled with beautiful chicks without fetal alcohol syndrome

>>96178407
Ah good to know.

It would’ve been so cool for it to have

this land counts as all basic land types when played you must pick one pay 2 life etc etc

>>96178376
>Now abilities can't be countered
I hate these niggers so much.
Blue removal literally never stops being punished because of timmies wanting to play Hearthstone instead.

Also Anti-Venom shown properly if anybody cares.

>>96178456
>WWWWW
This is seeing 0 play ever but I appreciate the effort to make monowhite a thing

>>96178456
I'm liking white is getting more and more of these "prevent that damage and do x"
phyrexian vindicator is one of my favorite cards in recent times

reminder that if you support this garbage you are the cancer killing magic

>>96178484
god yes, finally actions matter. I can't wait for this game to die

>>96178333
>can only ever be one mana type

Its trash. A cute attempt, but it isn't good enough.

>>96178302
Miles finally has a special name.

>>96178633
Actually "Ultimate Spider-Man" is a name taken from a different comic series set in an alternate universe. It didn't belong to Miles so in true WotC fashion they just took another character's title and slapped it on to him. If questioned they will undoubtedly double down.

>>96178456
This is cool.
>>96178651
Miles Morales was made in the Ultimate Universe where the Ultimate Spiderman original (Peter Parker) was killed by the green goblin and the rest of the "sinister six" of that world. Miles Morales after the death of Spiderman became the spiderman of the Ultimate universe (original) and was the main character in the Ultimate Spiderman comics.
If I m not mistake the miles morales who came to the 616 universe was the miles morales from the ultimate universe... Old Ultimate Universe was good.

>>96178252
its a looter, if a shittier one than other looters in standard right now
but its an okay backup ardyn target or you can pay 3 to put a counter on your ardyn token put 5 cards into your graveyard and grab another reanimate sorcery

Does anyone have the updated legendary creature chart at hand?

>>96178651
He's the one who took on the name after the original died, it's not a bahamut situation.

There must be some way to break this case in Standard. There’s so much artifact support in standard now

>>96178800
I've seen some repurposing bay synthesizer lists that run a playset of this.

I wanna gorge my eyes out to unsee this absolute slop of cards.

>>96179117
The person responsible for this just got rewarded with a card.

>pre-release of new set
>everybody talking about the next set already

>>96179478
and before spider person is released, we will be talking about avatar

>>96179504
as a matter of fact they've announced another avatar teaser for tomorrow

>>96179538

>>96178376
>cant be countered
>damage cant be prevented
What the fuck. Just slap players cant gain life why dont you

>>96178376
Yeah this is replacing Inti in my Gruul Delirium deck. Did it really need to be a Spooderman card thobeit?

>>96178376
Did fog really need to be even worse?

>>96179726
fog is an unplayable card, it getting worse doesn't matter.
Where would this card be playable where something like this matters? The only deck is something like mono-red in legacy, but it actively sabotages multiple of your cards (including the only playable fog, the one ring).

Not only everyone is a spiderman they also have several different cards of the same character. I am not remembering all this shit
>I cast spiderman
>which one?
>the blue one
>which blue one?
>the three mana one from alt universe
>which one is that?

>>96179816
That's why they all have different names

>>96179760
I mean that's basically why I'm asking it. This card is a 2-mana hatebear for things that really don't need a hatebear right now. Why does red need yet another hasted creature that completely turns off mechanics intended to act as counterplay? There's no real winning scenario where the card is a good addition because it's either unplayable or a lynchpin in a super oppressive deck with no answers.

>>96179834
screaming nemesis is incidental lifegain that is also a very good card on its own.
This is a direct hate piece that is not good if those effects are irrelevant, so it's not really a great comparison.

>>96179816
Dragon Ball Super card game was a laughing stock for a little bit because of this
Never saw any actual player having issues with this, though cards only having one art helped a lot with memorizing which Goku does what

>EOE draft is kino
When will /mtg/ apologize?

>>96179939
It was obvious limited format would be great, the set's mechanics play well with each other

>>96179816
There are currently 12 Spider-Men
1.The Ultimate one
2.The Amazing one
3.The Sensational one
4.The Spectacular one
5.The 2099 one
6.The 2099 Miguel O'Hara
7.The Brooklyn Visionary
8.The Miles Morales one to be confused with Mile Morales or Ultimate Spider-Man
9.The Noir one
10.The Peter Parker one not to be confused with Peter Parker or the Amazing Spider-Man
11.The Web Slinger
12.The Symbiote

>>96178744
Yeah, and Miles' title for comics, if it's not just "Miles Morales: Spider-Man", is "Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man". They've settled largely on Peter being Amazing/Spectacular.

I've gotten my collector booster box here anons; tell me how much of a dumb faggot I am while I unwrap them.

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/collecting-marvels-spider-man
The Marvel secret lair might get reprinted. No universe within needed.

>>96180085
>15 Magic: The Gathering cards
This statement becomes a bit funnier every day.

>>96180085
the hell is mar card

>>96180186
It's for the collector booster. The regular boosters have 14 cards.

Fuck Jotc and their fucking scamware so fucking much holy shit. MTGA is rigged up the ass to make you waste gems as much as possible and MTGO is complete dogshit UX wise. I'm so happy this pos company is shooting themselves on the foot by doing this Fortnite business model shit, I swear I can't wait to see these fucking disgusting kikes go under in a couple years because of their scummy practices.

And also fuck kikes and fuck the jeets who came up with EOMM. I hope Josh Menke burns in fucking hell alongside Bobby Kotick and every mongoloid from EA that ruined online matchmaking forever. Rant over.

>>96180216
there is no way modo isn't rigged too, ive had people admit to being prop players in match 5 in leagues where i was 4/0

>>96180220
>prop players
What?

>>96180197
A bonus sheet card. They are probably going to reprint the secret lair cards or MTG cards given a Marvel Flavor.

>>96180220
I'd be surprised if they didn't try, but the code for that pile of shit is so old and undocumented that I'd also be surprised if they just couldn't be bothered to do it.

Fuck it, I'm installing MTG Forge and getting my fix that way and playing irl at this point. I'll proxy everything too. Fuck Jotc.

>>96180346
>>96180346
>>96180346

>>96178456
I hope there's a regular Agent Venom card.

>>96180057
Don't forget Spider-Boy, Ghost Spider, all the clones, all the alternate universe ones like the pig or the dinosaur, Silk, Spider-Woman, Doc Ock for a while, Spider-Woman, Spider-Woman... just in case you weren't confused enough.

>>96180057
There's 7 spiderman (peter parker)
3 venoms
3 gwens
3 miles
2 2099
1 noir
1 peni