Most fantasy settings boil down to tripe that has never existed in any European nor medieval culture; these are hollow and corporate cardboard cutouts of human imagination. If you want to explore past minds and enjoy the scenarios of yore, then you should probably stay away from modern traditional games that attempt to pigeon hole mythology, culture, poetry, music, tales, and even the concept of a bard, into flat and two-dimensional blandness. Where is the rhyme and ingenuity of the Pearl Poet? Where is the allegory and pilgrimage of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales?

>Most fantasy never existed

>>96189131 (OP)
Shut the fuck up, China Mieville

Also, most people just want power fantasies, they do not have interest in truly authentic european medieval games like Aquelarre

>>96189152

>>96189131 (OP)
>If you want to explore past minds and enjoy the scenarios of yore
No one does, so fuck off.

>>96189167
Tkdr

>>96189131 (OP)
Nobody is stopping you from making your own setting that's so much more in-depth and historical than all of those hollow corporate ones.
Go ahead anon. What do you think should actually be in a setting like that? Better yet, how do you think it should be implemented into a tabletop system?

>>96189131 (OP)
Traditional games?

>>96189131 (OP)
>Where is the rhyme and ingenuity of the Pearl Poet? Where is the allegory and pilgrimage of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales?
Post links to your own works attempting to do that. Otherwise critic eunuch something something.

>>96189131 (OP)
Dude you are such a faggot. Plus this is a question for /lit/, no one is going to think about profound literary works when people are here to roll dice and make dick jokes for 5 hours.

>>96189131 (OP)
If you want to explore past minds and enjoy the scenarios of yore, then you should go for historical fiction or just actual history. That's what I do. Fantasy's point is having something different from reality in it, and aping real world history or mythologies as closely as possible is not a virtue for fantasy fiction.

>>96189167
>endless yappery from some whiny commiehippie
Why is it everyone who uses terms like "new wave" and "radical" all end up being the most stale whitebread cucks?

>>96189131 (OP)
>Most fantasy settings boil down to tripe that has never existed in any European nor medieval culture;
Yes because most fantasy settings aren't in actual Europe, you fucking idiot. Stop posting on this board.

>>96189888
Yeah and Wakanda isn't in actual Africa, so why can't they have white people living there?

>>96189923
Wakanda is in Africa, though. It's obviously a fictional country, but it's a fictional country in the real continent of Africa. Beyond that, it's what it's written to be, and it's demographic makeup, fictitious as it is, is whatever the writers want it to be. I mean, it could've been written to be inhabited by white people, but it wasn't, hence it's not inhabited by white people. What is any of this supposed to have to do with fantasy and medieval Europe, though?

>>96189963
Why I can't include a 2019 Renault Kwid Outsider in a fantasy setting? Are you racist, anon?

>>96189973
You can, if it's a fantasy setting that has 2019 Renault Kwid Outsiders. It wouldn't be particularly out of place in WoD or Dresden Files, for instance. This still doesn't have anything to do with fantasy's relation to medieval Europe, however. Fantasy settings should be internally consistent, but they have no obligation to try to be like the Middle Ages or any other period in real world history.

>>96189888
You’re reinforcing his point, modern fantasy settings are deeply incestuous and lack any sort of thought behind design decisions. Basically pic related but for entire worlds. They feel like corporate products and that soullessness can and will be felt, especially by people who crave projecting themselves into the world to be immersed in a campaign’s narrative. Imagine a Greek campaign without the concept of Xenia or Nostos.
>>96189963
Yeah, that’s the issue. Faerun isn't Europe, and Wakanda doesn’t exist. But the way the writers approach those settings, and what they do or do not add, can be observed and reacted upon.

So when writers make a world that looks like Europe, but fags it up with shitty coastal mannerisms, people have a right to complain. Just as people complained when Rokugan, a fictional Asia that also does not exist, had had shitty oriental stereotypes added to it.

I’m rambling and have to get into church, but the point I’m making is people who admire, say, Scandinavian culture are allowed to complain when a Scandinavian-shaped culture does Scandinavian things wrong. If you’re going to portray a culture in a flippant way than you need to be prepared to get called cheap slop. Pendragon for example does Arthurian romance extremely well,

>>96189973
You can and that commercial just did.
I actually agree with OP(in a less pretentious manner) that I like fantasy when it's way more rooted in a specific culture, but it doesn't mean the genre isn't also about doing whatever you want.
It's why D&D style fantasies have Shaolin Buddhist monks practicing martial arts wandering around next to European inspired paladins and elves.

>>96190016
If you want a Greek campaign, why are you even looking at fantasy settings instead of figuring out the best way to run a historical campaign?

>>96190016
>rambling and have to get into church, but the point I’m making is people who admire, say, Scandinavian culture are allowed to complain when a Scandinavian-shaped culture does Scandinavian things wrong.
I mean, people are "allowed" to complain about anything and everything, but in your example those complaints should only be taken seriously if the setting in question also tries and claims to be accurately Scandinavian. If the writer instead just loots whatever he finds cool from actual history, intentionally mixes together things from different cultures, throws in a fair amount of cool shit he himself came up with and puts in some effort to make the whole thing mostly internally consistent, well, that's not a failure, it's genuinely just maximum SOVL. It's a completely valid way of making a fantasy setting. Sure, there'll always be someone crying about cultural appropriation if you take inspiration from an RL culture without going for full historical accuracy, but that doesn't mean you have to listen to that.

*rips a greasy pepperoni fart directly in OP' mouth*
Suck start a shotgun, spamming faggot.

>>96189846
Like all talentless hacks, he's not as smart as he thinks he is. Their envious hatred of better men leads them trying to destroy or subvert what they hate, at the cost of anything even resembling a good story. It's about petty spite.

>>96190051
That’s the conclusion I came to during service as well, that I shouldn’t be putting so much stock in what’s effectively the supermarket checkout bin for books. Getting frustrated over, say, Tal’Dorei or 5.5e is a waste of time and energy. It’s like going to an animal shelter and being surprised that 90% of the dogs are pit bulls. What did you expect?

>>96189131 (OP)
Non-tolkein fantasy exists, there is quite a lot of it even recently, but its treated as a niche exception to the 'rules'. Sort of in the same way that there are actually quite a lot of non-capeshit comics, but when you say 'comics' people assume you mean Marvel/DC style capeshit until you prove otherwise.

The same reason is responsible for both places: corporate media conglomerates will always approve something they understand because its old and they own it/its derivative of a thing they already know over trying something new. The executive pipeline isn't interested in passion or creativity, it only cares about things that can be quantified on a spreadsheet.

We know that this is a production model problem, because we see that this doesn't happen in countries with other production pipelines. The obvious one of course being Japan, which while it does have its derivative genres also consistently innovates on fantasy and scifi concepts to a degree that has left american media firmly in the dust. This is entirely the result of their indie-market driven pipeline which rewards the ideas that float to the top of an organic market, as opposed to a top-down method that america uses which has companies that *decide* what is going to be popular in 4 years when the movie is ready to release and is frequently wrong.

>>96189923
Wakanda is set IN actual Africa. Most fantasy settings are not IN actual Europe, you're being disingenuous with this point.
>>96190016
Yeah you can complain, that doesn't make the complaints automatically reasonable. Trying to apply actual history to a world that has none of our history doesn't make sense. You can say
>All this modern language and slang is incongruent with the medieval aesthetic being presented
and that's a good thing to point out. You're being silly if you go
>uhhh ackshually they didn't have potatoes back then!!!!
because you're not in Europe. If you want things to be completely beholden to real world history and norms then play in the real world.
> Greek campaign without the concept of Xenia or Nostos.
You can have that. If someone wants everyone in their setting to be wearing togas and saying "By the gods!" they can, but if they aren't saying this is actually Greece then they're giving themselves leeway to change things up. Cultural aspects of an era and region are, of course, intrinsic to their aesthetic but the culture and history of a world being INTERNALLY consistent is a billion times more important than it being consistent with something external (ie the real world).

I don't care if this polytheistic fantasy world with its own geography, races, and laws of physics doesn't actually match Christian Europe 1:1. I care if the world itself is interesting and makes sense.

>If you want to explore past minds and enjoy the scenarios of yore
I don't. Well, not in RPGs anyway. I do enjoy old books and period fiction but roleplaying in "scenarios of yore" is unappealing to me. Historical verisimiltude has no inherent value, it's a preference. "Kill the Lich in the magical land of Themeparkia" can be in every way as good, engaging and deep as a historical game with a 20-page bibliography. It's all down to the DM and the players.

>>96190016
I don't know what your standards for "modern" are because Faerun is almost 40 years old. Your image doesn't make much sense when applied to RPG settings. Many games and fantasy novels in the "good old days" had kitchen sink settings or just said "travel the land of Yngland and kill yon Liche" and then had the character run into cool stuff. Tolkien-tier worldbuilding with consistent "canon" and "lore" being the expected norm is rather recent. And definitely not all, or even most older settings represented real life history and culture with archeological accuracy.

>>96189131 (OP)
This is why you don't let failed writers have opinions on rpgs

>>96189131 (OP)
>Where is the rhyme and ingenuity of the Pearl Poet? Where is the allegory and pilgrimage of Chaucer's Canterbury Tales?
You're aware that most of the poets of their age were kind of mediocre and not worth remembering, right?

>>96190729
>Wakanda is set IN actual Africa. Most fantasy settings are not IN actual Europe, you're being disingenuous with this point.
You’re entering stormy waters with this statement considering stories set in Actual Europe or even mythological Europe still make large swaths of the population black. The point that should be made is that settings and stories are ultimately the product of what the author wants to do, so when authors are consistently blasé with the real world feelings people might have towards aesthetics or cultures, there is a real reason to complain about it.

To bring this around; people don’t really care that Wakanda only has black people in it. People care that the authors care that Wakanda only have black people in it. For a lot of people - especially white people - it doesn’t feel fair, and while most attempts to articulate this frustration are clumsy, the response towards them has generally been, “deal with it, Chud.” Of course people are going to see red when that’s the response.

Like, white people don’t get shit. All their toys belong to everyone, while other people get to have toys for themselves. Again, it’s not fair, and at some level people can feel it.

>>96190964
That’s what I always tell people who start tearing at their shirt when another sloppy show or movie gets announced, time will judge the thing poorly. Nobody fucking cares about Little Mermaid anymore even if it was the only thing assholes on both sides of the debate could talk about. Nobody will remember Rings of Power ever existed in 20 years beyond a blue link on Wikipedia. Ghostbusters has become a dry joke when people even remember it.

Demons feed off your emotions, don’t give them shit. Build something that can endure because their flashy garbage sure as hell won’t. In fifty years the only people that will be around to talk about X or Y is you, and that’s when your opinion will hold weight.

>>96190999
>You’re entering stormy waters with this statement considering stories set in Actual Europe or even mythological Europe still make large swaths of the population black
A) That's why I said "most", because most fantasy stories aren't set there, and B) which ones make large swathes of the population black?
>The point that should be made is that settings and stories are ultimately the product of what the author wants to do
Right
>so when authors are consistently blasé with the real world feelings people might have towards aesthetics or cultures, there is a real reason to complain about it.
Without trying to sound rude, a non-zero number of those feelings are non-sensical. Anyone's allowed to feel bad that something not set on Earth doesn't mirror enough of Earth's history, but if you get at the author for it it's akin to complaining there's not enough dragons in your speculative hard science fiction novel, or that there's too many gun fights in your summer blockbuster action movie. You can make the complaint, but whether it actually makes sense is something else.
>Like, white people don’t get shit
So it isn't even actually about the worlds and what makes sense in-universe. That's all the more reason to pushback. If your issue is
>I don't want black people in pseudo-Europe
Say that. Don't say
>It's impossible for black people to exist in pseudo-europe even though this is a different world with different history and different geography
If you hide behind a stupid veil people will rightfully call it stupid.

>>96189131 (OP)
>this fucking thread again

>>96190999
>Like, white people don’t get shit. All their toys belong to everyone, while other people get to have toys for themselves. Again, it’s not fair, and at some level people can feel it.
I'm white and this sounds the like fucking cringiest shit ever. Get the fuck over yourself.

>>96190422
Good fantasy settings don't adhere to RL history, either, at least generally speaking.

>>96190999
Brother, as a white man I can tell you that white man have it good. Like, I wouldn't want to be any other ethnicity, because no other ethnicity is as wealthy, powerful, influential or comfortable in this world. What kind of person belongs to the most well-off demographic on Earth and still complains about how things aren't fair for him? How utterly lacking in anything that might be considered masculine virtues do you have to be to achieve that kind of mindset?

>>96191560
>What kind of person belongs to the most well-off demographic on Earth and still complains about how things aren't fair for him?
For Americans, this is usually a symptom of social decline. His instincts tell him life shouldn't be terrible, and instead of blaming the ultra wealthy for sucking all the juice out of the nation, he blames black people for being in imaginary countries.

>>96191560
> because no other ethnicity is as wealthy, powerful, influential or comfortable in this world
Jews don’t consider themselves white.

>>96191560
No anon you don't understand. There aren't any enough white people in Fantasy Africa and there's too many brown people in Fantasy Europe. It's over for white men

>>96191732
You forgot the climate of economic recession and declining quality of life. You know what gets people furious? Telling them that they “have it good” when they clearly recognize they’re living a worse life than their parents, and had a decade of the media telling them they’re privileged pieces of shit who need to step aside for other people. It’s baffling how you could have presumably lived through the late 2010s and failed to pick up the undertones of all those efforts to “destroy masculinity.”

>>96191757
Do you think that economic recession somehow only affects white men?

>>96191775
He's posting on 4chan so yeah he does.

>>96191757
>when they clearly recognize they’re living a worse life than their parents
The 24/7 news cycle and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race. Quality of life is, on average, still increasing--the issue is that we've created industries dedicated to informing us of every bad thing that happens ever. There are certainly some areas in which there's been decline, most notably the age at which one can expect to purchase their first home, but it's vanishingly rare that those issues line up with any areas in which people are told to make accommodations for marginalized groups.

There are people who have a vested interest in making your life worse so that they can make their numbers go up. They find it very convenient when they can get you to resist attempts to improve things for other people solely on the basis that your name isn't on the list.

>>96191775
Getting told you're "privileged" when you're suffering makes people lose their fucking minds.

>>96191757
>climate of economic recession and declining quality of life.
Non-white people are famously immune to poor economic conditions
>>96191823
>Getting told you're "privileged" when you're suffering makes people lose their fucking minds.
Okay, but it doesn't mean "everyone who's non-white never suffers and fantasy should be an exact replica of 12th century Germany"

>>96191823
We were talking about ethnic groups, specifically. It's ludicrous to imply that white men are suffering more than, well, pretty much any other group. Anyone who can't make it as a white make sure as fuck wouldn't ve better off as a member of any other demographic. That's not to say that wealth and power are spread equally among white people, of course, but co pkaining about white men having it tough is an entirely different matter from the genuine and reasonable complaints one might make about socioeconomic inequality, position and impact of the ultra rich, corruption of politicians and so on.

>>96189131 (OP)
That's why it's fantasy not historic medievalism, you gameless autistic cunt.

>>96191968
>Okay, but it doesn't mean "everyone who's non-white never suffers and fantasy should be an exact replica of 12th century Germany"
Not him but I think that would be slick, I’ve played Pendragon and the hard adherence to (admittedly mythic) England was incredibly fun.

>>96189167
>em-dashes

>>96192137
The faggot used “oeuvre” in a serious sentence, I don’t know how people can take this pretentious freak seriously.

>>96189131 (OP)
... ok?

>>96189131 (OP)
>If you want to explore past minds
But I don't want to do what.
If you want that yourself, be my guest, but it's completely out of my scope.

>>96189131 (OP)
Have you tried not playing D&D?

>>96191997
What is fantasy based on then?

>>96194290
>What is fantasy based on then?
Rules for thee but not for me, Europeans aren't allowed to have culture.

>>96194290
Everything the author is aware of and considers worth stealing, all of that mixed and combined in hopefully novel ways.

>>96189167
>'Iron Dragon's Daughter'
Literal steampunk slop.
I can only assume the ideologies espoused within are similarly slop.

>>96189167
>>96194710
I read the reviews and it's even worse than I though
it's literally just
>sexually promiscuous woman does bad things but it's ok because everyone else is even more evil!
Just the kind of slop someone who doesn't like Tolkien's morality would like.

>>96192137
>>96192182
He was like an LLM but more retarded long before LLMs.

I will say his tie in with Dragon Mag did give people a huge cleaver doing 2d8 at medium so that was nice.

>>96191560
>Brother, as a white man I can tell you that white man have it good.
Till you get a knock on the door for complaining about a rape.

>>96189131 (OP)
>Most fantasy settings boil down to tripe that has never existed in any European nor medieval culture
I dont see this as an issue, if anything its a boon.

So the epic of gilgamesh is Europeen culture? Thats what im gathering from this thread.

>>96190597
>consistently innovates on fantasy and scifi concepts
It does not. Japanese media is as stale with their own sacred cows, regurgitating the same shit for decades, and also being derivative of the Western pop culture.
>has left american media firmly in the dust
Only in cartoons / comics department.
>of their indie-market driven pipeline
Indie markets are way more developed in USA than in Japan.
>which rewards the ideas that float to the top of an organic market
Japan has a corporate driven market for media that operates in incredibly sterle and censored environment.
From the heavy-handedness of editors in comics industry, to couple of huge companies owning most videogame studios, Japan is the epitome of the top-down model.
You are a delusional weeb.

>>96195443
>Japanese media is as stale with their own sacred cows, regurgitating the same shit for decades, and also being derivative of the Western pop culture.
So you're saying they have traditional values?

>>96195349
Well fuck, forgot what board I was on.

>>96190023
Budhist Monks? Is that an american thing because of all the 80s kung fu movies? Being a Brit, I aways saw them as being european medieval monks, as monks in the early periods here used to train and fight. Also, it was fun to play a fat Friar Tuck who could punch out armoured soldiers and stun opponents with his belches and farts.

>>96189131 (OP)
Welcome to capitalism.

>>96189131 (OP)
>Most fantasy... Isn't real?? It's not horrifically true???

>>96195627
Why is /tg/ filled with such pretentious fart sniffing assholes like OP who think d&d should be a masterpiece of high art? These guys are like the right wing version of "cultured" liberal hipsters. The most effeminate conservatives imaginable.

OP would be interested in xianxia, no joke.

>>96195473
The original monk class is literally inspired by a mid 70s TV show about a wandering shaolin monk who travels the American Wild West.

Monks in D&D have always been based on Asian martial arts and the myths around such.

>>96195587
I dunno, ask >>>/pol/

>>96195473
Medieval monks weren't running along walls and feather-falling. Early DnD owes WAY more to the eclectic air of Dying Earth rather than the relatively more grounded / cohesive Middle Earth. Like >>96190023 I prefer the latter but utterly despise pretentious retards like OP who insist that it (or any other particular approach) is the ONE TRVE WAY.

Your table, your tastes. Simple as.

>>96194710
I much preferred the side-sequels (Dragons of Babel and Iron Dragon's Mother) for having having infinitely more sympathetic protagonists (sympathy for trauma aside the first book's bitch does little to endear herself). The trickster-kingship arc in the second book especially is deeply heartwarming tragicomedy.

As to >>96194739 the whole climax is about her being slapped in the face and told "No, it's not OK. You've had opportunities to be better thrown at you your whole life and chosen to ignore them out of bitter spite." iirc the ultimate message is "Life is not meant to be a punishment." It's put better in the second book (as everything is imo):

"The world is not perfect, nor can it be made so. But despite all the pain and heartbreak it's a fine place to live."

>>96189167
On the one hand, based. On the other, Urban-slop is just as much genre-slop as Tolkien-slop.
>the best you can do is pierce the boil
I don't know he doesn't get how retarded this statement is. While yes, Tolkien-slop is a boil, by positioning yourself as being anti-Tolkien you just sucumb to its gravity
>B-but its omni-prese-
No its not. Literally the entirety of JRPG genre is Tolkien-agnostic.

>>96189167
>traveling long distances to go to war is "boys-only" :(
Oh no it's retarded

>>96196988
Illiterate.

>>96189131 (OP)
You sound like a fucking snob.
Playing with you must be fun.

>>96199746
OP doesn't play games.

>>96197022
Are you implying I should waste my time reading the opinions of a deluded has-been that probably built a cuck shed in his back yard?

>>96200002
This isn’t 2016 dude

>>96204357
You’re right, it’s something much worse. I’m not going to humor the opinion of someone that thinks my rustic fantasy is “stale,” especially after seeing the years of alternatives being every bit as incestuous.
>inb4 “but he says traditional fantasy is still cool!”
That’s called covering your bases. Like when a Republican says, “not all migrants are bad, we just want to catch the violent offenders” or when a liberal says, “we don’t hate white men, we just want to give other people a fair chance.”

I’ve been around long enough to know when I’m getting fucked, and I can feel Melville’s penis prodding my cheek.

>>96194290
A copy of a copy of a copy, the careful curation of a long-incestuous genre. Everything unintuitive or boring about the real world stripped clean, so people who spend 3% of their income on food and live in constant communication with the entire planet, even ones who don’t speak their language, can understand the lives of “medievals” well enough.

Also gameplay logic. Dungeons full of loot are hardly realistic.

>>96194290
>>96189131 (OP)
>>96190999

A fantasy america essentially, with diverse populations that still all speak the same language, huge expanses of wild lands etc.
It's basically a medieval western.
I m talking about dnd of course.
You can also see its evolution as the social climate changed and so did the desires of the players that are practically "medieval" (in the most loose sense of the word possible) superheroes these days, leaving intact most of the worldbuiding aspects from the previous era and tacking.
Truly a pastiche of american pop culture and a vague ahistorical version of the middle ages and renaissance. A true post modern hellscape.

European games tend to be much better with depicting european fantasy (as it is to be expected), but let's be honest. Almost nobody here is an actually white european with a semblance of a culture connection to europe and it's history.
They just like to pretend to because otherwise they are just white mutts and they dont like that

>>96204601
This, honestly. We’re all sinners squatting in the shadows of better times, building our huts from stones harvested from a nearby aqueduct.

>>96199748
Anone longs to go on pilgrimages

>>96191820
>Quality of life is, on average, still increasing
That hardly fucking matters to me, now does it? If someone tells me "your life should be better" I will laugh in their face. I visited my dad (in his 500k beachside home he bought for 30k) a little while ago, and he told me he'd gone golfing with a childhood friend of his recently. This friend studied economics at a high school level, then went to work for a bank in the seventies, and he's been there ever since. He was recently forced (yes, forced) into retirement before sixty because the company would rather give him literal millions now than wait another five years and be forced to give him twice as much, because when he got hired back in the seventies he got a hooked in on a profit-sharing deal (this is one of the largest banks in the country and it makes billions in profit each year) that'd give him a payout when retiring. Getting a deal like that would be literally impossible today, no company would EVER give it to their workers. It doesn't matter how hard I work, what studies I do or even who I know. Doors like that are shut for me, and outside of crypto-scamming people I won't ever have opportunities like that. At this point, it's uncertain if I'll even get to retire at all, the pension system is croaking under the weight of the boomers already.

>>96190351
>Their envious hatred of better men leads them trying to destroy or subvert what they hate
You act as if he's taking influence from Tolkien while also shitting all over him, which he very explicitly isn't.

>>96204649
>sinners
The metaphor falls apart because the people who built the aqueducts were pagans.

>>96205030
Yeah, too bad this only happens to white people, amiright?

>>96195443
>Indie markets are way more developed in USA than in Japan.
>Japan has a corporate driven market for media that operates in incredibly sterle and censored environment.
>From the heavy-handedness of editors in comics industry, to couple of huge companies owning most videogame studios, Japan is the epitome of the top-down model.

Name me one indie author who self-published their own work at a fan convention, and then when that did well got picked up to have their thing adapted into a full comic, show, movie, or video game while getting to retain ownership of the IP as its original creator.
This never happens in America. There is no amount of success that a webcomci or something can have that will result it it getting turned into a show, and even if it did happen they would be forced to sell their ownship fo the IP in the process to get it made. Its simply not something that is possible within our media model.
Meanwhile, this happens hundreds of times a YEAR in Japan. The Light Novel -> Manga -> anime pipeline is real. Its where most anime comes from.
To claim that America has a more developed indie market isn't just wrong, its a claim the borders on the obscene.

>>96189152
>Aquelarre
Its fucking visual novel.

>>96206656
two different products by the same name anon

>>96205030
>Getting a deal like that would be literally impossible today, no company would EVER give it to their workers.
And that isn't the result of liberal policies or equal opportunity initiatives, nor is it the result of economic factors--we've seen the same behavioral trend in strong economic conditions as in weak ones. It's down to the fact that corporations have been allowed to rewrite the rulebooks on corporate governance, with entirely predictable consequences.

>I won't ever have opportunities like that
Until your father dies and you inherit, of course. And that's ignoring the fact that you're talking about missing out on the top percent-of-a-percent in terms of opportunities--most people never would have even imagined the existence of that opportunity to begin with. So, no, most people aren't "clearly" living a worse life than their parents.

>>96189167
mucho texto

>muh culture war
>I gotta go to church

>>96195473
>Budhist Monks?
Yes. Particularly from the Shaolin Temple, because they're the ones legends say that invented kung-fu(the specific style of martial arts, not all martial arts) taught by the founder of Zen because they needed to defend themselves.
>Is that an american thing
It's an ancient Chinese thing. That would appear in legend and then wuxia novels centuries later, and Hong Kong movies based on those novels, and then would get referenced around the world from Japanese anime to American TV
Krillin from Dragon Ball is from a fictional temple, that's why he has dots on his head and is shaved, arguably the reason Roshi's gis are orange is because that's the color most monks wear, you see it even in RPG's. Air nomads from AtLA are modeled after Tibetan monks, but airbending is modeled after bagua
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoKUf1kMv_g
>because of all the 80s kung fu movies?
70's kung fu movies, sometimes 60s
>Being a Brit
I'm not sure Brits were excluded from the martial arts craze of the 80's, and I also think they and Australians had access to Monkey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiqkwPJTJko
which the US did not. Not Chinese, it's Japanese, and not really about martial arts specifically but still has a lot of fighting and is set in ancient China. And D&D monks tend to be the name where every easternish martial artist is labeled under so I count it.
comment too long lol

>>96196973
>No its not. Literally the entirety of JRPG genre is Tolkien-agnostic.
lmao
Jap worshippers really believe this.

>>96195473
>>96209861
>I aways saw them as being european medieval monks
>Also, it was fun to play a fat Friar Tuck who could punch out armoured soldiers and stun opponents with his belches and farts.
This seems to be pretty common because I've heard it before. Before D&D had more illustrations and was clear about the monk inspiration, some people apparently imagined Friar Tuck types. That was the 70's though, and considering D&D made martial artists(usually called "monks") an expected feature, I don't know anyone who doesn't know they're supposed to be fake "eastern".
>as monks in the early periods here used to train and fight
Besides the Shaolin being famous, that seems to be a common thing through a lot of history
>>96196877
>Medieval monks weren't running along walls and feather-falling
Yeah, those two features and several others are way more rooted in chi and qigong than anything western.

>>96209875
>No its not. Literally the entirety of JRPG genre is Tolkien-agnostic.
The existence of stuff like monks and martial artists indicate that it's mainly derived from D&D

>>96189131 (OP)
>t-this fantastical fairytale i-isn't real??
You retarded autist. You dismal little pseud. You wikipedia-vomiting cretin.

>>96209875
This

>>96189167
>pretentious faggot name
>pretentious faggot opinion
So do they have a factory turning out hipster commie faggots or something? Literally they could all be clones of one another.

>>96189167
God what a pseudointellectual dork

>>96189131 (OP)
You got something against tripe, anon?

>>96207470
kek

>>96189167
What a shitmouthed communist faggot. All left-wing people have shit in their mouths, granted, but most of them are too busy licking more shit out from between the toes of foreigners who hate them for me to ever see it.

>>96215685
I do. Literal food for dirt farmers.

>>96224101
>ever see it.
Is it because you're licking shit from the toes of the billionaires who are telling you to hate the foreigners?