Thread 96197273

Given how rare Blanks are, is there a legitimate reason only women may join the Sisters of Silence?

Can't you let women have anything, incel?

>>96197286
What? I think everything should be available to everyone.

>>96197273 (OP)
Yes - putting aside anything regarding societal or cultural or moral reasons, if you're trying to spread or control a certain genetic mutation such as this, it makes more sense to concentrate women into one specific group and then use the men as agents to travel.

Think about it; a male blank can inseminate a thousand different women over the course of a year. You have no need to concentrate these men in one place - infact, it's better that they roam and spread their genetics as far as possible in order to better increase the odds of his partners also having the rare genetics necessary to spawn a blank.

Even if it's a super clinical and cynical job done by the Admech or Inquisition with just sperm donations and women, it still opens the door to more Blanks down the road.

Now, with women, the opposite is true; all you really need is one blank male who is willing to volunteer his semen. Keeping them all together in one area is logical if your only goal is to produce more blanks - which it isn't, because blanks are in such high demand. But in either case, the women will have better access to healthcare that would increase chances of a successful child birth by concentrating into a group.

Now, as to why SoS are a militant organization, that's a different story - and honestly mostly due to the Emperor making it so. If I had to speculate, he probably kept the blanks separate by gender as a way to prevent them from forming their own Blank people. The SoS became militant due to the need for a large force of anti-psyker warriors. Meanwhile, if he does need blanks, he now has an entire army of potential mothers who can all pass down their genes if asked to do so.

I wouldn't be surprised, honestly, if the SoS have their soldiers donate all their eggs to SoS geneators upon recruitment.

>>96197273 (OP)
All the males get taken by the Culexus Temple, the most busted assassins. Honestly just get rid of Sisters of Silence and make more Culexus assassins, they're unbeatable outside of normies bullying them.

>>96197273 (OP)
Why do the sisters of silence have to be silent? Doesn’t seem to relate to their skills or abilities at all.

>>96197286
Warhammer is for everyone, TERFscum

>>96197408
I don’t know why you started rambling about breeding, dude. The Sisters shouldn’t be picky about the Blanks they have access to

>>96197273 (OP)
SoS were designed specifically to work with the Custodes, as per Carrion Lord of the Imperium (Era of Ruin). The Custodes always knew something was missing, and then the Silent Sisterhood came along and filled that hole. This seems to suggest that the Sisters are more than just random female blanks, but something the Emperor created for a reason.
Out of universe I think the reason is clear: they're meant to be the female counter-part to the all-male Custodes. Except apparently now Bananas can be girls, so maybe we'll get Silent Troons soon...

>>96197752
That’s the thing, there was a time the theming was clear; man/woman, sun/moon, voice of life/silence of the grave. But that kind of gendered theming isn’t kosher anymore, and since “they need all the recruits they can get” has been the excuse for “male” factions becoming gender-neutral than all these female-exclusive factions feel like relics. We don’t need them anymore, and they only persist out of sexist pandering.

>>96197557
Supposedly it related to their status and their duties that required them to be privy to a lot of suppressed knowledge during the Great Crusade. Their vow of silence was meant to underscore that they were strictly forbidden from sharing their knowledge with outsiders to their order. They wear masks styled like portcullises for the same reason.

>>96197273 (OP)
It's a fetish thing.

>>96197273 (OP)
>rare
>on a galactic scale
Anon if on our world something were a 1 in a billion chance of happening to someone then it would happen to 8 people. If you have a massive empire with over a thousand world, many more densely packed than the one we live on, you'd have hundreds more potential blanks than there canonically are sisters of silence.

>>96197273 (OP)
Its 40K, there will always be as many of them as there needs to be, and they will be able to switch on and off their disgusting soulless repellent aura at will depending on the needs of the novel in question.

>>96197408
Yeah but you forgot that artificial wombs are a thing in 40k, the sisters don't need to get impregnated, they can just grow a babies vat while still being a military force

>>96197950
>implying that you can even find those 8 specific people on a planet of 8 billion, given that you cannot psychically search for them.
>implying they haven’t already been killed off or killed themselves because of their disgusting soulless nature making everyone around them hate their existence.

>>96197984
>>96197408
If Navigators are allowed to breed and reproduce and have their freakish mutations, AND have high standings, because they're essential to the Imperium, whos to say that there isn’t some SoS nunneries somewhere that just are breeding farms for blanks?

The actual answer is that they're based on the Fish speakers from Dune and also a reference to Siona Atreides' genetic immunity to prescience/precognitive powers.
40k is just British Dune wearing a 2000AD trench coat. That's it. That's the reason.

It's kind of like asking "how come navigators mutate into fish specifically? What do gills have to do with space travel?" It's dune all the way down nigga

>>96197950
Blanks are so rare that the Culexus Temple trains them “properly,” rather than the hell-games that other temples conduct. And Culexus Assassins are gender-neutral, they’re not picky like the Sisters are.

>>96198275
SoBs were already based on fish speakers and even call themselves Brides of the God-Emperor

>>96197273 (OP)
Nuns with guns in space innit

>>96199065
>boys can't be nuns
Oi now, we don't do nun of dat bigotry stuff heuh.

>>96197273 (OP)
They are the Emperor's mommydom concubines since they are the only ones who can discipline him

>>96197970
warhammer really is just capeshit

Could a full blown pariah become an inquisitor? I imagine it wouldn’t be too hard for the inquisition to obtain one of those culexus headpieces to dampen/weaponize their aura

>>96197273 (OP)
Hmm, I wonder why someone creating an order of militant fanatics might want to keep them segregated by gender.
I definitely can't see how opening up the possibility of romantic relationships and fraternisation within the organisation might result in distraction from the mission, the formation of loyalties to one another over loyalty to the order as a whole, and even the eventual desire to raise a family.

Come on bro, do you really lack such a basic understanding of human psychology?

>>96203138
Bequin gets close to a full-blown Pariah (or maybe she does) and she’s an important member of the Inquisition. People who know what she is (like inquisitors) can swallow their visceral disgust towards her.
>>96204042
Do you actually know anything about 40k? Custodes are the same sort of “militant fanatic” but GW saw no issue letting women in. Assuming you can get past a Blank’s quite literal soullessness and stick your dick in one, nothing will happen because SoS, like Custodes, are castrated.

>>96204042
>Come on bro, do you really lack such a basic understanding of human psychology?
How can someone so confident give a response so clueless on the subject being discussed?

>>96204059
>Custodes are the same sort of “militant fanatic” but GW saw no issue letting women in.
And that's because they've chosen diversity brownie points over what actually makes sense.
>Assuming you can get past a Blank’s quite literal soullessness and stick your dick in one, nothing will happen because SoS, like Custodes, are castrated.
Doesn't matter. Removing the biological ability to become pregnant doesn't necessarily remove the psychological desire to raise a family and even people physically incapable of having sex will tend to seek out romantic companionship. It's a fundamental human need.

>>96197984
>artificial wombs are a thing in 40k, t(...)
Said "artificial wombs" are human flesh servitors.

>>96198081
>whos to say that there isn’t some SoS nunneries somewhere that just are breeding farms for blanks?
Because SoS are strong blanks, which means everyone hates them. Which is strange because BL mentions many of them making families after they were practically exiled

>>96197273 (OP)
Atheistic reasons, like most things in 40k. Don't think about it too much. It's supposed to look cool, and the reasoning ends there.

>>96197273 (OP)
If I recall, the reason given in lore for all female armies is that some organizations were forbidden by ancient degree from the Emperor from fielding "men under arms" so they are loopholing the ancient decree and they've been doing it so long that everyone thinks the Emperor must have wanted all female armies.

>>96204172
If you're not careful nu-GW will start giving us gay and lesbian space marines

>>96204059
Is bequin on the blank level of a culexus?
When I said full-blown pariah, I meant like omega-minus level

>>96205121
That's the sisters of battle.

>>96197273 (OP)
Because 40k is a derivative kitchensink setting and the SoS are a Fish Speaker reference.

>>96198933
and we needed them in 30k too because SoB didn't exist yet in universe

>>96206811
Do they les-out like the Fish Speakers do?

>>96205121
The given in series reason why only woman can join the SoS is because they happened to be originally formed from a particular only female Imperial Army regiment that happened to composed largely of blanks and come from a planet with a lot of blanks, meaning the group being female only is tradition.

However the same bit of fluff also states in-universe this could just be a fabrication to obscure the real origin of the SoS, so the truth may never be known.

>>96197794
>need all the recruits they can get
This retardation being spewed on every forum and comment section across the normienet is coming from people who never once asked about logistics or the fact that you need multiple noncombatants to support and supply every frontline soldier which is the whole fucking point of chapter serfs for space marines.

>>96208538
Didn't stop them from making Custodes into male/female, why stop with the Sisters? Why is it always the preservation of female-only groups and male-only is wrong?

>>96197273 (OP)
Male blanks are busy getting snatched up by the Inquisition.

>>96208616

>Why is it always the preservation of female-only groups and male-only is wrong?

You know why.

>>96197557
Well, new lore basically makes it about their relationship to the Emperor. Because they're blanks they're not affected by his psychic aura and can actually see him for what he is and are also highly resistant or immune to psychic attack. Also, Dan Abnett decided to add something called Enuncia to the setting which is a language that anybody can use to basically cast spells. Put these 2 together and the answer is obvious. The Emperor made them shut the fuck up so they wouldn't leak info about him or try to use Enuncia. It's a basically a control measure.

Frankly, GW fucked up as usual. Enuncia is fucking stupid and the "Silence" part should have been symbolic, not literal. They should have "silenced" the warp instead of being literally non verbal.

>>96197273 (OP)
Sexism. The answer is sexism. The Emperor hated men AND women.

>>96197752
That entire retcon is stupid asks opens a number of plot holes.
Namely, if they are literally founded by the Emperor himself to pair with his super-special immortal golden boys, why are they all unaugmented females?
It makes no fucking sense on any level at this point.
If GW had decided on any of this from the start, we could have had not-marine sisters, augmented through biotechnology/biosorcery, to be a counterpart organisation to the Custodes. But they didn't, and the sisters weren't a counterpart organisation, they were a psyker collecting agency that got a battlefield promotion because of a few extenuating circumstances made them useful.
Now there's some bullshit about custode-sister marriages, and two halves of the same whole.
And yet despite all this, the custodes still just forget they even exist for 10,000 years until Grandpa Smurf wakes up and asks what happened to them.

It honestly feels like GW is just trying to make them nothing more then custodes pets rather then actually developing them into their own thing.

>>96197273 (OP)
The Custodes codex explicitly states that blanks are much more common, many being mistaken for psykers and collected by the blackships, which is how they get found easily.
Also sisters have a literal breeding program going on to ensure fresh recruits.

>>96197273 (OP)
I'm gonna make an assumption here that "given how rare blanks are" you probably should be thankful to get one at all.

>>96197273 (OP)
>is there a legitimate reason only women may join the Sisters of Silence
>Sisters
It's in the name.

>>96197630
breeding is actually a big part of Sister of Silence lore. Their codex information mentions that they cultivate special bloodlines by force, if they have to. Yes, that means they force their own sisters to bear children to strengthen Blank bloodlines and ensure they have enough future Sisters of Silence to function.

>>96197273 (OP)
I think like, almost all blanks are women. Its like a super recessive gene for males, even though they do exist. So in universe they probably formed into the "sisters" of silence as a result of so many potential recruits being women, and just found something else to do with whatever smattering of males turned up.

>>96208284
uh ok but why is there a cyber gimp

>>96218294
That's Dave, pay him no mind.

>>96197273 (OP)
Blanks aren't actually all that rare, all things considered.
And the reason the Sisters are all female has not been given.
They exist, as literally admitted by GW, was so the Sabertooth HH card game had a bit of variety, not just nothing but marines and a sausagefest across all the art.
As GW expanded on the HH, the Sisters sat in a weird spot, not existing in 40K, so they had to have been killed off during the HH, specifically the webway war, and GW was content to not actually look at who they were.
As the HH novels continued, the sisters got a little development. Several alternate origins were alluded to: being the private milita of some Navigator family with a bit of a fetish for dommy amazons that got turned into the chamber militant of the psykana.
An independent matriarchial, or all-women, warrior cult that selective bred blanks. Which ties into the totemic naming schemes among the cadres.
To even originally a guard force from a world that had an abnormaly large number of blanks being born, mostly female, and that world is now deeply censored to protect this prime, effectively unlimited source of Blanks.
With recent re-retcons, the Sisters are now a pet project of the custodes from the start of the Great Crusade.
Their all-female nature is unexplained. Their exotic and unconventional hierarchy and organisation is unexplained.
Their totemic naming system is unexplained.
Most of their background is unexplained and everytime GW tries to explain it, it makes even less sense then before.

>>96211684
>Dan Abnett decided to add something called Enuncia to the setting which is a language that anybody can use to basically cast spells.
Which is his best decision ever because in Christianity, God is the Word and he speaks creation into existence so in the context of 40k it acts as a remnant of the idea of Enuncia.

>>96197273 (OP)
Custodes can have Female Custodians because the Emperor hand crafted each one as it's own project and was able to finesse each to be unique (I still dislike this retcon because it is clearly a socially pressured retcon for the sake of appealing to diversity, but there isn't anything contradictory about the idea that the Emperor COULD have done it compared to a more mass produced therapy like the Astartes project) but he simply did not give this level of time and effort towards his other projects like the Sisters.

>>96212408
>It honestly feels like GW is just trying to make them nothing more then custodes pets rather then actually developing them into their own thing.

This is a pity since they could actually fill out more kinds of battle roles the Custodians lack on the tabletop (especially now that psychic is pretty much bonsai twigs), but 40k has only given them like four units (including Rhino) before characters and in 30k recently SoS got fucking GUTTED as well. Love how they're completely overshadowed in their own animated short by Femstodes, genuinely a pity.

>>96197273 (OP)
Adding layers of ritual and exclusivity to an organization increases its espirit de corps. The more distinct a unit is from its parent organization, the more pride the members of the unit take in their position within it, even if the distinctions are in fact trivial. In this case the distinctions are NOT trivial.

-Blank, actual rare.
-Women, completely separate dominance hierarchy from men
-Can't speak, requires radical layer of discipline superimposed over everything

It's optimized for fanatic status quo enforcement. Think of how every HR department is made up of single middle aged childless women who turn their office into one gigantic mate-suppression platform. Now imagine that it were Heresy Suppression instead.

>>96197273 (OP)
the sisters are not recruited amongst blanks, for the most part, they're the result of some weird artificial breeding program.

of course this program is going to focus on women so that each and everyone of them can be used to produce more of this impossibly rare and unlikely gene.

>>96197286
Women have the mother role, it's very important.