Thread 96213301

>Makes over 5 billion dollars off just 2 movies alone.
>Every film release is a worldwide phenomenon.
>Setting is ripe for soft sci-fi/sword and planet stories
>Na'avi are split into various cultures with their own aesthetics, specialties, religions, and even pseudo magic
>Series is one of the greatest directors of all times magnum opus and full of SOVL

Where's our RPG and/or Wargame bros?

>>96213301 (OP)
Didnt this movie cause insane butt hurt with all the chud Warhammer 40k fans who cry whenever humans in other settings are beaten by aliens?

>>96213301 (OP)
Warhammerfags would throw a fit if they see anything table top with Avatar

>>96213333
And that's the correct response, you species-traitor

>>96213301 (OP)
Universes Beyond fucking when?

>>96213333
This qoute all the HFY faggots repost is from literal 2010s Warhammer 40k FORUM ROLEPLAY ON TVTROPES

>>96213301 (OP)
Warhammer is a dying IP now too the chuds barely even support it, it is time for a more refined setting that cares about its world building and story more than slophammer does

>WARHAMMER
>WARHAMMER
>WARHAMMER

I see Avatar tumblrlites are still made at HFY and Warhammer utterly beating its ass

>>96213301 (OP)
Stupid Xeno Love movie

>>96213373
>HFY faggots
How can you not be a HFY faggot? Utterly sovless.

>>96213333
Its more the conflict was written so poorly people could not help but sperg about it a bit.
Then add in the heavy handed environmental / noble savage tropes and it was a recipe for critic.
Not that the writing for any of the movie is much better mind. Seriously, the motherfucker dosent even try and do his job as a negotiator with the aliens, just goes full native.

>>96213301 (OP)
Because it's a popular mainstream title, so making a niche product for a niche market would be a distraction from actually making any money.

>>96213510
Explain

>Star Wars

>LOTR

>Marvel and DC

>>96213301 (OP)
Pick a TTRPG you like and run your queer blue alien !Fern Gully/!Pocahontas in that.

>>96213301 (OP)
I think Avatar is great inspiration but the setting itself is kinda limited. Maybe you could play as frontier settlers torn between the RDA and the Na'avi. Or soldiers of a rival megacorporation fighting the RDA for resources on both earth and pandora.

How did Cameron make 40k fan boys seethe so much? The other boards are the same 40k tourists crying the imperium is le bad and are angry when humans are shown bad in scfi too

>>96213532
All have strong presence in the turbo nerd niche already. As far as I'm aware Avatar does not.
And LotR specifically was initiated by Priestly at GW rather than Newline Pictures or the Tolkien estate.

>>96213556
I resent everyone comparing Avatar to Ferngully. Ferngully was based and had cute fairies and a sick as fuck crooning tar monster as the bad guy.

>>96213593
I dunno man, if multiple boards dislike it maybe it's just not very good and it's not just the HFY fags.

>>96213593
Warhammer fans complain about tourism yet always out themselves as tourists whenever they commentate on other science fiction and invariably display a complete lack of understanding.

>>96213683
no its 40k faggots on /tv/ crying over muh humans losing

>>96213373
>hates the blue people
>becomes blue
>wants a blue gf
hmmmmm

>>96213593
>when humans are shown bad in scfi
Wait I thought we were talking about Avatar, the movie series where some retard values blue space pussy over his own species? My dude, Jake is the villain.

>>96213373
>how dare you find contentment
>these things that have no inherent value are IMPORTANT because I say they are
>no you aren’t allowed to say that other things with no inherent value are important
And, best of all
>even if you literal spear-chuckers beat us, it is inconceivable that we would ever be defeated, so I’m going to assert a future in which you die off but we suffer no setbacks or catastrophes that could kill us off as well

>>96213683
The comparison is drawn because Avatar ripped off its story beats.
It isn't meant to insult a classic work of art, it's meant to denigrate James Cameron as the shitstain thief he is.

Anyway, the point is that YOU CAN CHOOSE WHATEVER SYSTEM YOU WANT FOR YOUR FAGGOT BULLSHIT.

>>96213737
A soulless megacorporation that's nearly destroyed your planet because of its greed isn't your species, they're a threat to it. As usual the 40kturd can't think in anything other than black and white.

>>96213593
I just think that the people literally crying because they can't be blue space furries are babies who need to take their fucking prozac and get back in the toll booth with the rest of the proles. Am I wrong?

>>96213783
I mean it also ripped off John Carter, Dune, Gor, Call me Joe and Rogue Trooper but it manages to distinguish itself from all of those through unique worldbuilding. The second movie definitely isn't a ferngully ripoff.

>27 posts
>ctrl-f "Warhammer"
>9 results

Literally 1/3 of this thread is anons seething about 40k lol

>Avatar is a rip off!
>Its okay when Warhammer does it

>>96213718
Blue puss just hits different I guess

>>96213903
Blue waffle.

There is absolutely nothing interesting about Avatar
It's a tech demo that's instantly forgotten the moment it's watched

>>96213301 (OP)
Because Blue Pocahontas in space was propably done by some frenchman 30y ago.

>>96213921
those human machines were badass.

Man you 40K fags are really the blight of scifi

>>96213301 (OP)
They make a lot of money but the series doesn't seem to sit in the public consciousness for any amount of time at all. Cameron has mastered the popcorn flick, it's a big spectacle that feels awesome when you're watching it on a big screen, and then immediately leaves your head once it's over

>>96213930
Pretty sure some dutch fucks did too

>>96213953
Tell us more about Warhammer 40k.

>>96213505
>>96213776
>>96213783
Out of the Silent Planet by Lewis did everything Avatar tried to but well in 1938.

>>96213333
The actual reason the movie is retarded is the fact that humanity doesn't just go "yeah Dave get us authorization to burn these fucks with chemical hellfire"
There is no defense they could muster against an orbital bombardment of biological or chemical weapons
And while it makes sense that they can't just nuke the place (they want stuff on the surface) hearts and minds went out the fucking window when they were totally ok with firebombing major cultural landmarks of the na'avi
Humanity already needs special protection from the atmosphere anyways

>>96213900
Warhammer was meant to be satire.
Avatar was commentary meant to be taken seriously.
These things are not the same.

>>96213301 (OP)
I dunno, ask /tv/

>>96213301 (OP)
>every videogame has been a flop
>every form of secondary merchandise has been a flop
>even Pandoraland in Disneyworld was a flop
Anybody else find it weird how these movies makes shitloads of money but have literally zero cultural footprint? The largest impact it has was spawning HFY via >>96213373 and that's not even a quote from the movie because the movie was too vapid for even that basic bitch edgelord line to make it in.

>>96213301 (OP)
The first thread I ever made here was about this question https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/94827152/

>>96214217
Holy new.

>>96213301 (OP)
>Steal the plot of Ferngully but put it in space
>Magnum Opus
Lmao
If it wasn't for the cutting edge use of 3D when the first one game out literally nobody would have given a shit about it

>>96214043
It's not humanity though, it's a mega corporate with hired PMCs

>>96214095
It's not satire they just ripped off nemesis the warlock and dredd (which were satire) to make a totally uninspired corposlop setting.

>>96214043
They want to terraform pandora as a new home for humanity, not pollute it. That's how you get the rogue trooper timeline.

>>96214127
>1.9 million players recorded for newest Avatar game

>A flop

Oh retard-anon, why must you show your ignorance time and time again?

>>96214394
So was the east india company
There's precedence for megacorps being some of the worst people on the planet

>>96213373
>>96213718
Dude didn' even say any of that. It's kind of out of character for him too. He never gave a shit about blue people or some ideological wank about HFY. He was a soldier who was given a mission and pointed at an enemy and that's the scope of the fucks he gave. He cares about his mission and his guys (the humans on Pandora that are his to protect as security chief). Fuck everyone else, blue people and the traitors who side with them.

>dances with wolves but in space and written badly.
I never understood why people like these movies.

>>96213301 (OP)
Can somebody for the love of God post more of the OP blue cat lady? She looks sexy as fuck.

>>96213373

Always hated that pasta.

It's just totally missing the point of the movie. The humans needs to change their lifestyle and stop consooming everything and live more natural lives. Even if they stripped Pandora to a bare rock they'd just end up right back where they started in a few years.

>>96214633
>few years
More like hundreds if not longer.

>>96214633
Crazy 40k fans are mentally ill corpo defenders

>>96214462
Here you go anon, her name is Varang if you need to trawl R34

>>96214701
Well they do love getting fucked by GW so it checks out

>40k builds itself up stealing from so much other scifi for years
>ERM ITS POCAHANTOS OR DANCES WITH WOLVES GRRRR I HATE HUMANS BEING EBIL WHERE IS THE IMPERIIUM TO CURBSTOMOP?

>>96214708
Thanks. Now I can fap in peace.

Super excited for the new movie looks like the new bad guy tribe will add some much needed nuance to the series. Evoking historical examples of how some natives worked with settlers while some settlers betrayed their mother nation to form splinter factions. All in all its a neat dynamic that really gets to the heart of not only colonialism but the more general topic of how group dynamics interact with realpolitiks.

>>96214633
>The humans needs to change their lifestyle and stop consooming everything and live more natural lives
Sounds lame as fuck. And wouldn't even work for humanity in that movie's setting.

>>96214777
I think the dangers of overconsumption are a fair point to make considering.

>>96214797
Yeah, but the solution isn't to become megahippies like the cat smurf people. Especially since humanity doesn't have the luxury of having convenient usb hairplugs to not only force animals to do their bidding but also sing kumbaya all day with the magic tree. That's the thing I don't like about the movie or the people who treat it like it has a big message. Being a stark reminder that we can't get something from nothing and that exploitation of the land and the people living on it is something we always should be wary of? Yeah, I totally agree with it, that's been much of human history. Saying the Unabomber had a point in his manifesto and going off to live in the wilderness and say how much better off we are without penicillin or water purifiers or toilet paper? Fuck that.

>>96214797
It would be if the unobtanium wasn't such an efficient energy producer.

>>96214434
The game bombed so hard Ubisoft was forced to admit as much, I don't know what to tell you. So unless we're talking about different games here, you clearly don't understand basic economics (i.e. [money in] needs to ge significantly lower than [money out] in order to turn a profit)

>>96214633
Holy shit, imagine trying to ascribe deep philosophical musings to SAVE DA TREES: DA MOVIE....IN SPAAACE and it's sequel SAVE DA WHALES: DA MOVIE....IN SPAAACE.

Seeing as the third one is fire themed, I've got money on it being SAVE DA KOALAS: DA MOVIE....IN SPAAACE. Just you fucking watch, the main macguffin of this movie is gonna be a space koala at risk from all the wildfires Col. McRacist and his spicy latina Bliggerwife are starting.

>>96214701
>t. Fagmunch defending a multibillionaire pedophile

>>96214462
>>96214708
>>96214762
This reeks of viral marketing

>>96214762
>Nations living together in harmony
>Then, the Fire Nation attacked
>Is called Avatar
Bravo Cameron
just kidding, I fucking love Abatab I can't wait for the third one

>>96214923
It's okay Jimantha, your movie will do just fine without you trying to shill on this board

>>96214899
fuck you for hating these movies for the wrong reason.
they are bad because they are half baked garbage not because they have the wrong message.if i had a dollar the value of a pre mass inflation nickel for every movie about a silocon valley fop persecutecuted for his big muscles and chiseled jaw and rugged only 30$ star bucks coffee in the morning lifestyle for obese welfare hicks to worship while they sshit and cum over vegetables at buckees id have more money than their whole inbred clan.

you wanna know why i hate avatar? because they shoehorned in a magic space rock instead of the bad guys doing the obvious and way more evil thing.
harvesting that universal brain interface for supercomputer apotheosis. turning their oligarchal world elite into gods by raping a planet
the incarnation of cruel fecundity
god
to death
that would be real evil
real flesh and bone and hate
people in that movie shouldnt drop limp when shot be it bows or arrows
they should flop about and shit themselves for hours
we should have returned to scenes of previous battles to see navi far beyone saving still alive because no one could spare the time to end them
while human survivors (fewer and farther between) get medical treatment and recover.
i hate this series because ti was wasted potential

>>96213795
>A soulless megacorporation that's nearly destroyed your planet because of its greed isn't your species
Nigger, humans were on Pandora to mine starship fuel, so they can keep sending food to planets where people would otherwise starve. At that point it doesn't matter who's responsible for humanity's situation, or how it happened, those people will starve anyway.

>>96214914
you reek of viral from your mothers marketing

>>96215068
>LET'S JUST CONVIENTLY LET THE MEGA CORPS WHO RAPED AND STRIPPED OUR HOME WORLD OF EVERYTHING THAT CAN SUSTAIN LIFE!!!!!
The faux leather boots can't be that delicious, Anon.

>>96214043
>And while it makes sense that they can't just nuke the place (they want stuff on the surface)
No, they want to mine a metal used for starship fuel. Nothing on the surface matters.

>>96214762
>96214762
i too need DEEP moral complexity and a GRIPPING story to properly nutt

>>96214394
See >>96215068

>>96215080
It doesn't matter if it's a corp or a government, retard. People will still starve if those ships can't deliver food. Jake is personally responsible for probably billions of deaths.

>>96215080
hes a warhammer fan hes used to corpo oversight

>>96215055
I don't hate them, hating them implies they occupy a significant level of paasion in my soul. I think they're basic, sub-par, amd laughable, but I can't really care enough about em to hate the movies.

I'll still mock simple-minded retards who think they're God's gift to cinema for shitting up /tg/ with offtopic faggotry though

>>96215076
You are very gooding of the english saar
Please teaching me of how to english as the goodly as you saar

>>96215109
>People will still starve if those ships can't deliver food.
Anon, they weren't there to get food. They were there to strip the planet of that precious metal for space ships, most likely for the elites who will abandon earth while leaving everyone else to die.

>>96215050
that was as coherent as your last coherent thought was memorable
you are the lowest common denomenator and the definition of le rightoid to be rightoid brainrot slop
its not spicy
it a sickly sweet rot
putrid
unpleasant
uninteresting
i thought you should know that because i care about people even if they barely qualify for the title

You know, it would be much sympathic if the humans actually wanted to cooperate with the Na'vi and find a way to create farmland. The planet seems very rich with fertile soil and pleasant weather and the Na'vi understand evolution of adapting to the change of nature and knowing how much of a threat mankind can be when pushed in the corner of survival.

>>96215125
>Anon, they weren't there to get food.
Jesus Christ. FUEL for the ships to DELIVER food, you colossal retard. That's what unobtanium is, starship FUEL. That's what it was for, and the narration at the start of the movie explains the whole thing. How and why human worlds are in such a shitty situation changes nothing, ships don't run on hopes and dreams, they need reaction mass, which Jake decided wasn't as important as blue alien pussy. He's the villain.

>>96215050
Hey...
Cool it with the antisemitism, bub

>>96215141
>it would be much sympathic if the humans actually wanted to cooperate with the Na'vi and find a way to create farmland.
They did, and the navi tried to kill them over it. That was explicitly spelled out in the first film

>>96215119
OK that's a tolerable opinion. Carry on anon you'll have no more trouble from me as i'm sure we can agree our ammo is better spent elsewhere.
tips bowlers cap

>>96215076
Kek

I think na'aaa'vi are UGLEH and therefore humanity is morally in the right for colonizing and genociding them.

>"You actually want to live a free and natural life away from oppressive mega corps who would sacrifice you and your planet for a 0.000001% increase in profits? TRAITOR!!!!!!!!"
Blue cats >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>96215162
>Every human who supports natives gets a Na'vi lover
What good does that do me? We can't even breathe the same air.

>>96215187
Better than living with the smurfs who will never accept you or your species unless you outright give up your humanity to die of space influenza later

>>96215162
Also she's three times your size, meaning her pussy is three times as big, meaning if you did fuck one of them neither of you would feel anything. "Big woman=hot" is fucking retarded, always has been.

>>96215187
Astroturf commie coalpost

>>96215187
It has nothing to do with corporations, retard.

>>96215162
That's not even true. Jake's nerd pal got shipped back to earth where he was undoubtedly executed for his crimes

>>96215143
If you're right, which I can't be sure of because of how stupid you obviously are, that makes those mid movies even worse.

Where is this food coming from and going to? What kind of idiotic writing produced a setting where the most economical option is to transport food by starships that can only be powered by the rarest element in the universe?

Hey Warhammer tards how’s that Amazon show coming along LOL

>>96215212
>>96215220
>Ignore the main cause of earth dying because...Just because, chud!!!!

>>96215206
YOU ONLY HAVE TWO CHOICES
literal space travel
you can fuck over your corporate supervisor and then ignore the dumb ass giant cats

>>96215222
No he doesn’t, there are humans who stayed and support the Navi still

I would gladly blow up earth with all of you on it if it meant stopping the mega corp parasites.

You niggas only simp for the rda since they have le guns and marines

>>96215143
All that Selfridge and the RDA guys ever talk about wrt unobtanium in the first movie is how expensive and profitable it is. They definitely don't act like they're making a hard choice for the sake of the starving children, they say THIS SHIT IS GONNA MAKE US TRILLIONS. The RDA is in it for the profit and in either case if the way they strip-mined and raped the Earth into being basically uninhabitable is anything to go by, they would do the same to Pandora and exhaust the unobtanium supplies in quick order to end up at square one. They're the ones dooming humanity in the first place so why the fuck would I side with them instead of chilling with my giant blue waifu on a paradise planet?

>>96215240
No matter how much you try to coopt right wing vernacular I'm still not watching your movie, Jane

>>96215254
boy am i glad you wouldnt amount to a 100th of the man youd need to be to have even half a chance at that sort of power
you cuck

>>96215249
Wrong he's gone, and dead

>>96215266
Correct. The team with the cooler gear are the good guys, simple as.

Traditional games?

>>96215270
the unobtainable plot was retarded and they should have made it about harvesting the brain meat covering the planet
it was a god damn interface system for minds
give that a second of thought
the big plot point should have been it was used to facilitate the avatar project
how did humans even make that without it?
its never explained
so with the current plot we ahve to both accept that this is the only new and crazy human experience changing technology that has been developed (no other transhumanist aspects exist in the films)
AND
they happend to stumble on the one planet where that shit happens naturally

>>96215275
>"Y-y-you cuck! You have to exterminate the natives of this alien planet for your corp overloads!!!!!"
Good bot!

>>96215244
Both those choices suck, fuck the smurf cats

>>96215300
stop stuttering
you are a grown ass man and this is an intent comments section not a dissertation
grow a big hairy vagina if you cant manage any balls fuckboy

>>96215319
Yes, please! The smurf cats are cute!

>>96215266
The RDA are retarded, but they make the furfags whinge and cry watching their smurf cats be killed, and that's funny

>>96213301 (OP)
nobody really cares about the movie itself, just the fact its a cgi spectacle

>>96215335
False

>>96215340
>but they make the furfags whinge and cry
Other way around. Them getting defeated by blue cats make you fags whinge and cry.

>>96215335
Nah, they ugly as fuck

>>96215347
You don't even play any traditional games do you?

>the main story is about natives fighting against an alien force who wants to kill them and stripped their homeland for resources
>/pol/hfy-trannies say we have to side with earth cuz le hoomins!!!!!

>>96215347
>you fags
>smurf cat lover thinks I need to support the RDA to laugh at the smurf cats dying like the animals they are

>>96215240
Does it actually matter why? Is a corporation being responsible mean those people won't starve to death without the supply ships?

>>96215369
It does when it will continue to happen over and over again if it isn't addressed.

>>96215231
>If you're right,
Watch the first 20 minutes of the first movie. There is no "if," I'm completely right.
>Where is this food coming from
Doesn't matter
>and going to?
Starving humans.
>idiotic writing
Agreed. But it's still the story.

>>96215381
That's what I don't get. You don't need to be a lefty cuck to side against the same people who would gladly kill (YOU) as well as the aliens.

>>96215109
>"N-no the corpos are GOOD guys this time I swear!"

If they were really worried about feeding billions the corporation would be using that as propaganda in the movies to shield themselves from criticism.

Instead, all you hear is suits talking about $$$$ and CTE added mercs whining and coping about getting there asses handed to them by tree people

>>96215270
Yes, selling starship fuel is profitable. You keep trying to ignore what the fuel is USED FOR. Because otherwise you'd have to admit Jake is the villain.
>They're the ones dooming humanity
Doesn't actually matter, people would still starve. How and why things got so shit is irrelevant at that point.

>>96215381
>random unhinged /pol/ whinging
Ummmmmm sweaty??? Wrong board????

>>96215385
Movie fans are retarded. They think that saying the human option is preferable to the alien one means you unequivocally support then, when it's more like saying you'd prefer to be pissed on than shat on, aka Avatar's plot will still suck no matter which "side" you support, the smug hippie cats who are practically handed everything on a plate by their planet or the space whale harvesters

>>96215376
>It does when it will continue to happen over and over again if it isn't addressed.
A completely separate issue from the story of the movie, retard. Those people still died slowly, painfully, because of Jake.

>>96215390
Retard, I know you have a hateboner for large companies, but it doesn't matter. Who's responsible for human worlds being shit doesn't matter. People will still starve to death without supply ships, and that's not going to change no matter how big your hateboner is.

>>96213301 (OP)
I actually find the setting to be extremely boring because literally every tribe has the exact same sense of morality except for the comically evil bad guy faction of token villain aliens in the next film

>>96215411
>>96215429
Pretty sure it was the mega corps who started it by raping earth. So how are THEY going to address to fix that? By raping another planet?

>>96215382
But it alleviates the guy of all the culpability you're trying to put on him. He can do what any human with a functioning brain could do and say, "there has to be a better plan here than doing a genocide on the only other sapient species we've discovered, and recklessly damaging a planet of impossible scientific value".

Maybe fucking grow millet on an orbital farm instead of trying to do interstellar meals on wheels?

>>96215439
>Pretty sure it was the mega corps who started it by raping earth.
So what? That doesn't mean those people won't still starve to death.

>>96215385
You are missing the point

If a moral quandary comes up where I have to choose between the survival of the human species or not offending a native alien species sense of religion then I am going to choose to help my own species first

Take the thing with the whales in the second film. They can literally provide for semi immortality and all you have to do is extract their juices

>>96215454
So a) the corps should have no self-determining role in fixing the problem because they are institutionally incompetent and corrupt, and b) if people are in completely unsustainable conditions of starvation they should just die or be evacuated

>>96215454
And they're going to continue to starve to death because the main problems have not been addressed to prevent it from happening again. Have you seen Africa?
>>96215467
If a moral quandary comes up where I have to choose between the survival of the human species
But you're not helping the human species on the whole to survive, Anon. You're helping the people in charge to survive who will eventually abandon you and the rest of humans to die. These mega corps do not have your best interest in mind.

>>96215467
What's the highest level of education you have successfully completed?

>>96215442
>But it alleviates the guy of all the culpability you're trying to put on him
Nope. He chose to put up with their retarded manhood rituals rather than, oh I don't know, constantly say out loud what the humans were going to do?
>"Hey these weird horses are cool, also they want something buried under your tree and will kill you all for it."
>"Wow flying space dinosaurs. But yeah they're going to be here soon, you should leave or be ready to die."
He chose not to, he waited until the last moment instead. They got mad at him for not saying anything, but they're the ones who told him they wouldn't listen until he jumped through all their hoops and traditional bullshit. Jake is the villain.

>>96215480
Retard, it's not about defending the corp, it's about the STARVING PEOPLE.
>>96215484
>And they're going to continue to starve to death because the main problems have not been addressed to prevent it from happening again.
And letting them die before a solution can be found is better? No.

>>96214434
>>1.9 million players recorded for newest Avatar game

You mean the game that only ever had a peak player count of like 2000?

I lile the part where the natives are too retarded to save themselves without a white savior imparting basic logic abd strategy upon their backwards, primitive culture.

I also like the part where the whote savior becomes their messiah because he had the brilliant, never-before-conceived tCtoc of "flying slightly above the macguffin monster". For a culture in-tune with nature on a literally biological level they barely understand the behavioral psychology of their own animals

>>96215544
It does strike me as incredibly funny that a message that could be taken away from this is that all the Native Americans needed was a crazy white boy to unite them and teach them how to use European technology and they could have prevented colonial expansion

>>96215543
Anon, he takes ubisoft numbers at face value: the same company who tomd us Ass Creed Yassuke has over eleventy billion comcurrent players. Cut him some slack, he's clearly either retarded or a paid indian shill.

>>96215544
Oh yeah.
>we won't hear what you have to say until you complete this checklist
>wtf man why didn't you tell us this was going to happen?
The na'vi are retarded.

>>96215548
Never doubt the power of white boys with attitude
>>96215566
They honestly deserved to get bombed

Honestly you could probably conquer pandora with a dozen spicy white boys and one token zesty black and a flamethrower. It'd make for a better movie too.

Fuck it, TF2 crew vs the entirety of pandora. Now there's good entertainment.

>>96213373
And it's fucking based

>>96215615
It's honestly pretty cringe, but not as cringe as people who actually care about the movie. And yes, there's only one movie, Jommyjohn just managed to release the same movie twice

I cannot wait for the lion king 2 ending where the evil ashlander aliens just all decide to become good guys and hail Jake as Jesus reborn uvvvvvh

If I were to make an Avatar board game it'd be Settlers of Catan but you're competing megacorps competing over who can exploit pandora the hardest, fastest. Bliggers would be NPC obstacles because even in the movies they're just biological NPCs

>>96215624
It tries too hard to sound sophisticated, but the message is completely correct.

>>96215652
Yeah it's got a nugget of compelling messaging in there underneath the navelgazing, which already makes it better than the movies

I don't think OP wanted to talk about traditional games
I don't think OP even plays traditional games

>>96215652
Why?

>>96215674
Because what it's saying is true. The movie tries to present the na'vi as culturally superior because they "live in harmony with nature" but that's a nice way to rephrase "stone age primitives who will never accomplish anything." A weak culture lets nature boss it around, a strong culture find a way to defy nature and get what it wants anyway.

>>96215672
Too bad the mods don't do their jobs, or they'd move the thread to /tv/

>>96215672
I mean, I did, but of course /tg/ just wants to talk about warhammer and trannies instead.

C'est la vie

>>96213301 (OP)
How much do u guys wanna bet the Colonel is gonna smash the evil fire lady

>>96215692
But the humans lost, ergo they're the weak ones. Nature gave the Na'vi strength to beat them back.

>>96215797
No, a human did

>>96214434
1.9 million is bush league shit for modem media, below even that its locals.

>>96215797
No, one human traitor did. On their own, the na'vi were fucked.

>>96215090
No I need sexy blue cat alien titties to properly nut. Stories are just amusing mental exercises.

When you get right down to it there are only something like 38 story archetypes so by the time you graduate high-school you've likely already heard them all.

The story of avatar or any story for that matter is no different than many many of the other stories people have been telling since the Greeks wrote the odyssey.

Its more just enjoying stories for being what they are and appreciating them for their own sake. Like when you play any game you know that your outcome is going to be either win, lose, or draw; but you still play the game anyway because the fun is what happens between the start and the final outcome.

You dont enjoy things like avatar because it presents some groundbreaking storyline you watch it because you get to see explosions, big monsters, alien landscapes, and epic smurf cat alien side boob.

>>96216021
The Na’vi are all flat like boys

I can’t recall a single one with a generous chest

>>96215769
My guess is he either smashes or does a cultural faux pas that ruins whatever alliance he had with the evil navi and makes them betray him at the last minute.

>>96216030
Where do you think you are?

I think the reason Avatar does not have a major cultural footprint: there is no one super sexy people would love to fuck. Nonome cool enough kids will play pretend as.

Original Star Wars: kids love pretending they have a lightsaber. Teenagers are in love with Slave Leia Costume.

Tolkien Fantasy. Kids like being knights. Teenagers coom over elves.

Marvel/DC: kids want to have superpowers, or fancybtoys like iron man. Scarlett Johansson is incredibly hot.

Dragonball: everybkid that watched it tried to mimic one of the goku attacks.
Avatar is made for an older audience and hence does not deliver those basic things.

>>96216186
I have been on the web for a long time. Injave masturbated tona lot of questionable things.

I have seen the /xeno/ threads on /d/

And yet i never found the Navi having a sex appeal.

>>96216283
It's cause they look like sugar gliders without the fur. There's cute art out there but their eyes (or more how disproportionately big they are) combined with gaunt faces and their thinness are pretty off-putting in some ways.

>>96215210
it got that kung fu grip
or
stop being a brainlet and be creative

>>96216021
nah yer english teacher was just bad

>>96213301 (OP)
>Every film release is a worldwide phenomenon
I don't see anyone talking about these films. The only interesting thing about them is that they manage to make so much money despite having no cultural impact whatsoever.

>>96213301 (OP)
this series is the cleanest astroturf in film history.
notice how tickets to avatar cost more?
of course it makes more money.

>>96215692
>A weak culture lets nature boss it around, a strong culture find a way to defy nature and get what it wants anyway
Except that Avatar humans don't have what they want. They allowed themselves to be ruled by a purely profit-driven globohomo corporation and live a pitiful existence in a hollowed-out hellscape. The average Avatar human isn't Scully or Quaritch, it's a wretched wageslave who needs an air mask to go outside his work cubicle and when he looks up he doesn't even see the starry sky, he sees advertisements. Nothing glorious about that.

>>96214042
That Hideous Strength would make for a pretty funny TTRPG setting

>>96217021
Sure thing schizo-san

>>96213301 (OP)
The problem is this right here:
>Setting is ripe for soft sci-fi/sword and planet stories
It's not. It's incredibly boring and contrived. There's not really any potential for interesting stories.
>All the tribes are inherently good and pure and morally superior and connected to the worldmind that keeps all things in harmony and balance
>Humanity is dumb and evil and greedy. They are stinky and mean and don't appreciate nature or whales or harmony
>so the Na'vi beat/punish humans every time they act up so they can learn to love their planet or whatever

>>96213301 (OP)
Camerons been really slack with the marketing
he never wrote the novelisation he promised
the handful of comics have been terrible
the videogames have been the same
and as you point out no rpg, not even licensing it to an existing system, or wargame

>>96215692
>A weak culture lets nature boss it around, a strong culture find a way to defy nature and get what it wants anyway.
Go outside and cut down a tree without a permit.
Paradoxically you had more power when you were subjugated by nature instead of fellow man.

>>96215270
villain motivation in avatar 1
>we're strip-mining this moon to earn a fuckload of money and we're not afraid to mass murder to open new mines

villain motivations in avatar 2
>Earth is fucked so we're making a colony as an exit strategy for the global elite
>also they really don't want to die so we're murdering sapient space whales to steal the immortality juice and selling it for a fuckton of money

they make it very obvious what the end goals and motivations of the RDA are. I have no idea why people have inserted a buch of fanfiction about them being benevolent protectors of humanity

>>96213301 (OP)
I'd love to see na'vi minis

>>96215749
No you didn't, or else you would've started the thread with an actual idea to discuss instead of glazing those barren flicks like the viral marketing indian shill you are.

FACT: Monster Hunter Wilds does the artificial biosphere shtick better and more interestingly than Avaturd

Wudwuds also mog the shit out of faggoty smurfcats

>>96218552
That face looks like a slightly nervous little boy

>>96215439
The movie material also says that the megacorp is the ones blocking the development of any alternative to the magic rocks because that would dunk their profits
Also their are no agri worlds shipping food nor are the rock spaceship fuel, their are just convenient superconductor for computers and other industrial uses
It has nothing to do with helping humanity, just with profits

>>96217079
>a purely profit-driven globohomo corporation
...comprised of humans. Nothing about this franchise will ever actually fall in line with your corporate hateboner.

>>96218342
I own the land I live on, I can cut down any of these trees I want.

>>96216021
>blue cat alien titties
None of them had tits

>>96216186
You are a wise and insightful person

>>96218521
>to earn a fuckload of money
To fuel starships to feed people

>>96216186
Ironically, Col. Racist is the closest they had to someone cool, which is why he's had the most sticking power.

>>96218816
nice fanfiction

Imagine

>>96218792
No, you can't
if you do it without a permit you will be finned

>>96218856
Nta but
>first movie Corpo McSleezeball says the earth runs on Magic Rock and people will die without it (which is why it makes him so much money)
>second movie Corpo McWhaler explains that earth is deemed a lost cause thanks to lack of Magic Rock harvest
Don't tell me fucking avatar was 2deep4u

>>96218934
no. Selfridge says the reason they're on Pandora is because unobtanium is extremely valuable. It's never mentioned what it's actually used for in the movie and in the axillary material they mention the RDA use it for their hyper maglev trains on earth. Its never mentioned it's life of death critical for earth at any point, Scoresby says that the amarita is what's paying for the colonization effort because it's more valuable than unobtanium (which is still mined mind you)

>>96218894
>if you do it without a permit you will be finned

>>96213301 (OP)
All that money and talent wasted on the most generic slop plot and characters in human history

ZERO
CULTURAL
IMPACT

>>96218989
First Avatar was very mid to me, but I thought the second was pretty exceptional. Great work on the villain, Quaritch holding his own fucking skull, Quaritch being like 'who the fuck was this dope' when he watches the video human him recorded before dying, the contrasting shot of the kid entering the whales mouth to USB hook-up vs. the whalers drilling its fucking brain out, the really great colony ship design and them using the afterburners of their landing to sterilize the environment. The actual MC still not that engaging but they really conveyed a sense of ferality to Neytiri in the fight scenes, with her stalking prey and just going off-cuff like a wild animal half the time.

A lot of stuff that's just well above what any usual action movie or summer blockbuster delivered. I'm looking forward to the third one. I don't think there will be a fourth, Cameron seems to be looking at other properties to adapt afterwards (he just bought the rights to Joe Abercrombie's most recent novel).

>>96219035
Fourth movie is already being shot, apparently it will have kaijus and giant mechas

>>96213301 (OP)
I'd play an RPG where you are a human sent to this god awful planet and just have to survive your work day while everything tries to kill you.

>>96213373
>on /tg/ - Traditional Games
>calling people faggots for roleplay
this board is just nothing but generals and media meta-discussion masquerading as tabletop

>>96216054
jesus christ anon this is a blue board

>>96215643
>>96219071
See, this is the inherent problem with any avatard traditional game: the humans are VASTLY more interesting and have WAY more going on than the nahvi. Any compelling avatar media I can think of exclusively pertains to humanity, which goes against the message of the movies. They fell into the Killzone Conundrum where they accidentally made the "bad guys" more sympathetic AND cooler looking to boot. I feel like even Jane Cameron subconsciously realized this, which is why xhe made the new villain of the third slopflick into a humaboo navi
Because that's the only way to make their species compelling

>>96219230
>RDA faction
goon, goon in mech, helicopter goon, recom goon, ash clan na'vi

>na'vi faction
forest na'vi, plains na'vi, ikran na'vi, reef na'vi, tulkun, various airborne and land wildfile, rogue avatar drivers and humans, Jake's gun-armed na'vi band, sarentu gun-armed na'vi

gee what a difficult choice

>>96219251
>everything the nqvi have is just something the RDA has but lamer
Waow
Ebem Jake's gun-navi is just a gayer version of Col Hardass's bligger commandos.

Seriously how us oivey'wa supposed to compete with this level of kino?

>>96218521
I think I've seen a few youtube videos over the years where critics asked
>Why didn't Cameron just try to make the RDA more complex? Say that they need the plotrocks to save billions of people on Earth or something?
But that's just writing advice, not deeper lore. The motivations and actions of the RDA and the PMCs are just blatantly evil and petty. Cameron obviously didn't plan out anything, because they had to hastily slap together a revived villain whose motivation was paper thin and nonsensical, and also he's got a son who was never mentioned, and also now all the bad guys are revived through perfect brain scans downloaded into Avatar bodies, which is a thing they never would have agreed to in the first movie.

>>96215692
but the nature kills the humans on earth

>>96219339
>The motivations and actions of the RDA and the PMCs are just blatantly evil and petty.
he was looking to make that part realistic and relatable to how megacorps and their hired goons act in real life

>>96219361
Cameron wanted to jack off to his noble savage fetish. The bad guys are irredeemably evil because they're the bad guys, and that's it. This is the guy who spent millions on musical research to create a scientifically plausible alien music style, sung in an original con-lang, and then threw it all out for generic film score because the alien music sounded too alien, and then he decided to change the lyrics to total nonsense that sounded native-y, instead of using the functional con-lang he had an expert make, because he thought it sounded better.

Avatar is so fucking vapid in so many ways and that includes the writing. Cameron doesn't have anything substantive to say with the plot other than "bad things are bad."

it's just a typical (alien) invasion movie where technologically superior invaders somehow lose to primitive but plucky defender underdogs, but people lost their minds because humans were cast as the losing invaders
you know I'm right

>>96213301 (OP)
I don't even get the appeal. It is like Pocahontas but somehow even dumber.

>>96220805
Furry waifus, anon

>>96219251
>RDA faction
Cool shit I can relate to.
>Na'Vi faction
Some indigenous bullshit styled off native americans with a healthy serving of mary-sue on top so they don't get instantly obliterated.

>>96220805
Its just blue Pochahontas but with a side of gigantism fetish thrown on top.

>>96219291
more like the na'vi get the cool and unique stuff and the humans are stuck with guy with gun and maybe some washed out na'vi renegades

>>96213301 (OP)
>Franchise that is entirely build on marketing buzz and has ZERO staying power on its own
I'm actually more surprised the 2nd movie was made and was financially successful than the fact there is no RPG.
But seriously, it's like a hot air balloon situation -as long as the marketing buzz is on, Avatar is this fuck-huge thing, but five minutes after it goes silent, the whole thing literally disappears beyond shitposting. It's weird as fuck

>>96220957
>and the humans are stuck with guy with gun and maybe some washed out na'vi renegades
And the technology to cross to new starsystems.

>>96218597
>/tg/ needs detailed instructions on how to post meaningful discussions beyond talking about 40k, tranies, and inanely arguing about praxis

lol, lmao even

>>96220805
Normies have no taste, but also they saw the movie out of some vague memory of the last one being the biggest fucking deal ever, so they figured they may as well see the second one too, since it took so fucking long to make.

As for everyone else. At best, they want to fuck giant blue women. At worst, genuine mental illness that causes them to hallucinate depth and complexity in a movie that is so devoid of substance that everyone else instantly forgets it after seeing it.

>>96213373
Its going to be pure KINO when Navii Quaritch joins the Navii out of love for his son in Avatar 4: Liberation of Earth and goes down fighting his brainscanned clone (or clones) that has been transplanted into a robotic Terminator and/or giga-mecha.

Only numbers that truly matter.

Even the 1500's Bible thumping Spaniards were smart enough to distribute blankets with small pox, but space faring gigacorporation can't come up with anything smarter than zerg rush

>>96221478
The Anglo cannot understand the concept of fucking people out of existence.

>>96214415
>>96214095
They also ripped off Dune and later Moorcock with Realm of Chaos.

>>96214415
>just pick all the parts from settings you like and smash them together
Let's not pretend that isn't just what all nerds do.

>>96221463
I'm gonna guess a lot of those are mistagged Avatar the Last Airbender images.

Supposedly fanfiction sites have a problem where a lot of "Avatar" fanfics are ATLA instead of blue aliens Avatar.

Despite being humans, Avatar's humanity deserves its extinction because it is literally too stupid to live. I'm not mad that they exploited the resources of Pandora, I'm mad that they were doing it so *poorly*. Dumbshit motherfuckers were paving over diamonds to more easily get access to pocket change.
"Keep your secret of biological immortality and organic supercomputers that can perfectly preserve the soul, I'm here for the *floating rocks*."

>>96213301 (OP)
I don't think they are interested in cross-media contant. Even getting 2 decent video games in 15 years was lucky.
The comics are not very good. Over than the Ubi game tie in, funnily enough.

>>96215143
It's to make fusion reactors more efficient, actually.

>>96213301 (OP)
Its not actually an interesting setting at all.

>>96214042
Return to Belzagor plays a lot better the "soldier tormented by guild finds penance in an alien world" too, would reccomend

>>96214923
XD

>>96221741
It is worse than that because humans already had immortality. The Avatars allow for full consciousness transfer from the original body. All you would need is an Avatar that is functionally a clone of your body and upload your mind. Why the fuck were they still using Na'vi avatars in the sequel instead of genetically engineering human Avatars to survive on Pandora? This extends to the entire franchise. Why are their resource shortages when humanity is capable of interstellar travel? We've got an entire solar system that would be easier to exploit. And from a colonization standpoint, humans have been on Pandora for at least 50 years by the start of the first film yet the human presence on Pandora is just a small base and maybe 1200 people total. In the real world the colony of Virginia had 1200 people within 15 years.

>>96222112
I'm willing to forgive the slow startup on Pandora, just because we don't know how long it takes to get to and from Pandora. If it takes 8 years to FTL there, then even 50 years of investment only represents a single digit number of trips, and humanity setting up a foothold on a planet where they can't even survive the atmosphere would obviously be more tricky than colonizing the Americas.

Using Navi instead of bio-engineered humans could be explained as simply as "why on earth would be bother doing that? We already have the Navi genome *right there* ready to use, they already have hands and everything and by definition are adapted to the environment perfectly well. We could spend a decade figuring out how to twist human DNA into something only half as good as what we can make by cloning a Navi today."

Earth doesn't actually have immortality tech, though. They have the next best thing, but with a very important difference: the blue team guys in the sequel movie are *copies* of human minds sleeved into new bodies. They only remember up to their last save point. The Quartrich that died in the first movie is still very much dead, New Q existing doesn't un-kill that man there is just a very convincing replica of him walking around.
The World Tree shit isn't a copy, its a *transfer*. Continuity of consciousness between vessels. The new body is literally you, not something made in your image. THAT is a massive fucking difference in terms of immortality. We can print 10 new Quartrich's and none of them will be the original. The Scully that woke up in the navi body is the same Scully that was in the human one a few minutes earlier.

>>96222251
The ships are on a constant rotating schedule with an arrival every month. Arguing against adapted human avatars ignores that they would already have the human genome figured out (Sully signs up to essentially get his spine regrown) but to make a Na'vi avatar they'd need to crack the Na'vi genome first before figuring out how to successfully splice it with human DNA since the Avatars are actually chimeras.

>>96221836
This, there's no way it would be a franchise if it wasn't Cameron's personally-funded ego project.

>>96222298
>The ships are on a constant rotating schedule with an arrival every month.

We know this not to be true. If it was, then humans could not have been exiled from Pandora after the first movie because ships would already be on their way and would just keep showing up every month for like the next year. Ships that were already sent with the expectation of refuel and resupply at Pandora, and which wouldn't be able to make it home to Earth without it so they would be forced to land because their alternative is to die in orbit.
The first movie's ending literally only makes sense if they just have the one ship.

>>96219035
you have to be trolling.
you are right?

>>96219479
bro irredeemably evil didnt stop when kings stopped being in charge. it didnt stop with westward expansion. you had coal miners being issued white phosphorous instead of red to light things up with down in those mines all the way till electric became cheaper than oil.
why?
they cost pennies less.
irredeemably evil is the history of the real world.

the movie was bad because Cameron shoehorned in a mining operation and made the mass murder a matter of convenience rather than the goal. nothing in the plot ties together so it becomes meandering.
turning god into a newVR system/immortality device for the world elite
should have been the goal of the baddies
not some mineral that Cameron would get around to sort of explaining the uses of in a side tangent blog post
eat the planet, rape god
everyone is expendable

>>96222251
am i the only man alive who fucking hates FTL being a thing in stories where basically no other groundbreaking achievements have been made?
ah yes we have casually broken light speed
defying physics as we know it
but all those technologies which real world scientists are making regualr headway on?
what
no man we use plexiglass windows on war machines and humans are just as squishy as they have always been and live just as they do in NYC/Mumbai. also no human can hit shit.
sully(ed my pants) jake can because he never aims but nobody else

>>96222298
if you could splice the genomes of something so completely bilogically unrelated as a anavi you wouldnt need to
by that point you could refashion a human from the ground up with no need for DNA
you could have total control over protein action and have graphene flesh
you could have people hugging nukes and seeing how far they fly as a sport

artificiality is beyond 100% when you are talking about something that doesnt even share the same bacterial ancestors as us

>>96216283
Sounds like a skill issue. Git gud n00b.

>>96222364
Not according to canon supplementary material. Also the second film takes place 16 years after the first and features multiple interstellar ships, which would indicate pre-existing vessels considering the over 6 year distance between Earth and Pandora.

>>96222251
>The World Tree shit isn't a copy, its a *transfer*. Continuity of consciousness between vessels.
Do we actually know that’s true or did the space tree pull a fast one and copy Jake then kill the original?

>>96223115
You type like a huge fag and argue like a retard.

>>96223669
you type and argue like you want a big retard strong fag to pound your bussy into a submissive slimy chasm
sssssssslut

>>96223085
No, it was the best Hollywood movie I’ve seen in ages. That’s not that high a bar tbf, but I had a great time.

>>96218876
imagine if we used helicopters slower than birds

>>96223690
im glad someone could enjoy it. i couldnt stand any of it. i got so bored in the theater i wrote a better plot for avatar 1 while watching it.
and didnt miss anything.
it wasnt just the poor pacing and weak story. none of the fight moments where engaging

navi no scopes guy #51 with a bow and everyone with rifles misses
again
jump cut-fast cut- blurycam - shakey can- characters roll around towards the screen jump cut- characters roll off screen
cut to guys shooting at nothing
cut to arrow being drawn
cut to guy getting shot by arrow
someone says something you can sort of hear over the generic fantasy music/drumbeat that could be out of john wick or whatever

it wasnt even hot garbage
it did nothing new
it was cold dry turds
ill grant that there where a lot
it was a very VERY big pile of tried out cold turds
and yet
somehow
that did not impress me

>>96213776
If you're content until the sun burns out and your whole species dies content then I guess you're content with that

>>96223902
The sun burning out is so far in the future that it is nonsensical to worry about it in any shape or form.

>>96221609
>Supposedly fanfiction sites have a problem where a lot of "Avatar" fanfics are ATLA instead of blue aliens Avatar.
Most places correct it eventually, but I always loved the thought that all these people hoping for Cameron's trash get sent straight to high quality ATLA. Most sites use "Avatar" and "Avatar: The Last Airbender".

>>96221574
They ripped more from Nemesis than Moorcock honestly. Terminators, eternal wars against aliens, immortal god like figure pushing humanity into xenocidal wars against chaos worshipping aliens and humans. It all Nemesis not Dune or Moorcock.

>>96223916
How would they even fathom the concept that the sun might end? That without a desire to get off the planet their entire species is ultimately doomed?

>>96221574
Wrong Frank Herbert books. It's the WorShip series. But mostly The Jesus Incident which takes place on Pandora, has a lot of the same monsters, clones designed to survive on the surface a Gaea mind to connect to and on.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Incident

>>96223767
Sucks to be you I guess.

>>96224163
hardly
i dont like avatar movies
plenty of movies out there i do enjoy

>>96221016
naah no it doesnt do anything else
nope
no way to use a tech tree in more than one way
havent you played 4x games dum dum
it does 1 thing
all tech exists in a vacuum

>>96221478
That never happened. Pure hebrew fanfic propaganda.

>>96221516
i admire the purity of your dedication

>>96214333
marin:screams and dies a a demon rapes its way out of his chem sealed penis

imperum ship he is on: explodes because the self destruct is vitally wired into the space toaster which short circuits because it is full of space lube

>>96220957
Cool and unique stuff like
>Rhino with a flower mane
>panther but slightly fish
>horse with anteater face
>pterodactyl
Sorry lil bro, not a single one of those is as cool as a mech with a big knife.

>>96221062
>xhe admits to being an Indian shilling for 0.12 rupees a post
Well done saar!
You have finally doing the needful!

Treadly reminder that /tg/ tried to put together an Avatar wargame but nothing came out of it because Avatar fans only want to daydream about sex with giant blue cats rather than get anything done

>>96226505
Here's what was written down about it so far:
>15mm scale, which puts the Na'vi at 28mm in size
>Mobility to create assymetry. Na'vi should be both faster and more able to travers obstacles compared to humans. Maybe have na'vi automatically succeed checks to climb or jump, recoms and avatar get a easy or moderate check and humans get a hard check.
>The gameplay purpose being that na'vi rely on moving into position and attacking weak points/flanking while humans focus on firepower and a toolbox of expensive vehicles
>Combat is opposite rolls, so the sheer firepower of humans function as a de-facto armour, like we see in the movie.
>Mechanism where the attacker can cancel the defender's combat success with his own (so you can either choose to play it safe and land much fewer hit, or go kamikaze and land more hits but also take hits in return).
>Combat bonus heavily vary depending on the circumstances (cover, surprise...). Therefore, to be able to attack humans, the Na'vi would need to either stack defence bonuses/ malus on the opponent's attack, or go all in on a suicide attack.
That's pretty close to the kind of dynamic we see in the movie
>Each na'vi tribe gets a special action when crossing a difficult terrain from their home environment. For example: forest na'vi can jump from one giant tree to another with a successful mobility roll.
>Humans can destroy terrain features. It takes time though
>Successful movement rolls can give defence bonus to na'vi (using the water/trees for cover)
>Recon rolls can give attack bonus to humans
>Objective-driven (deactivate the tree-cutting machine; grab the cache of unobtainium...) rather that just be a death match, to ensure that both sides needs to circulate around the map instead of just camping in their strongest position.

>>96226520
and here's the proposed list of factions

Human side:
>Mecha division
>Troops on foot division
>Avatar/Ressurect division
Na'vi side:
>People of the forest
>People of the plains (riding alien horses)
>People of the flying mountains (riding dragons)
>People of the lagoon
>Jaksuly Insurgents
Third side:
>Pure animal forces controlled by the planet
>Ash Na'vi
Starting from there, it's easy to extrapolate:
>Blue sea Na'vi
>Cave Na'vi
>Desert Na'vi
>Human eco terrorist (human insurgents siding with the Na'vi)
>Human death squad (human fanatic troops that decided to take the gloves off)
>Motorized division
>Walker division

>>96226505
RDA vs RDA mirror matches would also get tiring after a while. At that point juat play Battletech

>>96223150
>am i the only man alive who fucking hates FTL
Avatar doesn't have FTL
the ships take multiple years to arrive
they are partially propelled by a massive laser array in Earth's orbit, and also by the space rocks
the space rocks are "just" room-temperature superconductors, a speculative material that's been used in SF for ages, but they're not magic

>>96226520
>>96226530
I mean I'd play it if there were na'vi minis. Shit just look at the missions in frontiers of pandora for excellent scenario ideas.

Looking at it mechanically I think it would need some really tight balance to make it feel right. In the movies the na'vi get kills by shooting unaware humans they've managed to outmaneuver by very quick and graceful movement. Really if a na'vi can't move they're dead. They're not slugging things out in a shooting phase. Not sure how opposing rolls would work for that since one side would be unaware

>>96227601
It taking multiple years to arrive doesn't mean it is not FTL, it just means that travel isn't absurdly near-instant like star wars.

That said, Pandora is supposedly in the Alpha Centauri system with is under 5 LY away, and the trip is a bit more than 6 years. So you are right, not FTL, just high relativistic speeds.
...which does mean that there should be relativistic side effects here. The Astonaut's dilemma and all that. But I guess thats not important to the plot.

>>96227634
I feel like a proper Avatar skirmish game would need to be asymmetrical, like OGRE.

Imagine it like this: the default game more of an Avatar skirmish game is that you have a human group of units that have guns and tanks and shit, but are relatively small in number and they all need to start on the field. There is an objective that the human team has to accomplish to win (take and hold and objective, reach a side of the map, destroy some bit of terrain, etc).

The Navi player, meanwhile, has a significantly larger pool of resources to use, and they DON'T start on the field. They get dropped in during either the player's turn or as part of certain ambush actions to appear in the middle of a phase. Individual Navi will almost always die if a human unit shoots at them, while human units are tanky, so the Navi faction strategy is to try and appear and take down human units before they get a chance to fight back.

So the human units are trying to survive and outlast the Navi ambushes and accomplish their goal to win with no real way to know where the next attack will come from. The Navi are trying to pick off the human units with surprise attacks and split their forces while distracting them from the objective so they can prevent them from winning.

There could be other game modes as well, but I think this one would be the best to build around as the core experience.

>>96226505
>>96226520
>>96226530
For what purpose?
Not all settings are designed to be sandboxy franchises. Not all of them work for games. Avatar is like this too, it's setting works only in one particular story and has nothing to offer beyond it.
Just add Exodites to 40k already instead

Nothing triggers 40kfags more than the fact that Xenophilic franchises are always more popular with normies

>>96230624
Meanwhile, the most xenophobic 40kfag...

>>96227678
yeah, I don' think straight meeting engagements with point lists is going to work. You need a big focus on objectives and table set up, as well as a well balanced units that still feel thematic. What makes it bit more complicated than a normal asymmetric wargame is that some na'vi units like the larger animals completely flip the script and put the RDA at a disadvantage. I think that should be reflected as well

>>96233314
>i want my units to be individually stronger and tougher
>i also want them to have built-in alpga strike and ambush deployment
>oh and I also want to have a trump-card whale/dragon/etc that I can deploy whenever I manage to actually start losing to board wipe my opponent
And this is why a Abatab skirmish gane would never work: navifags just want a plot-armored powerwank egostroking that'd make Space Marine fags blush.

Ironically enough, I sorta agree. Give navi all these things BUT I wouldn't make them a playable force. Instead you play as rival megacorps carving up a biome filled with NPC threats like wildlife nests or navi settlements. These areas are worth more resources but assaulting them increases both navi aggression as well as Hey Ya's Ire. Navi will focus exclusively on whichever corp actually bulldozed their home whole Hey Ya's Ire just increases general animal hostility, ultimately causing the Biome Apex to start rampaging indiscriminately.

Corps can also engage in ipen hostilities with each other, as well as more subtle sabotage like arming the navi with guns they can use on the rival corp that pissed em off or pkaying sabotage cards that fuck up resource harvesting. Also add in random events like Navi holy sites that you only discover AFTER you bulldoze it because none of the corps care about local customs (or maybe you can waste a unit slot on an Avatar Interpreter who can help reduce Aggression but is mostly useless in combat)

Basically, take lots of cues from Infinity's TAG Raid but also have an NPC faction that operates based on simple logic parameters mixed with some dice tables or something to add a bit of randomness.

>>96213301 (OP)
Because a month after the movie is released the franchise is largely forgotten. It's very odd really as it is a huge success but with 0 cultural influence.

>>96223115
>turning god into a newVR system/immortality device for the world elite
but that God is sapient. why would it agree to this, ever? how are they going to force it to do this? they cannot. and the elite isn't retarded to just hand over their consciousness to the alien biocomputer.

>>96213301 (OP)
>movie that is test demo for vfx
>somehow lose cultural importance once people leave cinema
Who could have guessed.
Entire selling point of Avatar are top tier visuals, plot is offensively mid to bad and setting is boring, entire movie is just pretty visuals.

>>96213333
>humans in other settings are beaten by aliens?
they didnt really do that in the Avatar movies tho
>>96226849
If an Avatar wargame were to exist, i would exclusively play the airforce, the space ships, planes and helicopters are top tier sci-fi designs

>>96238019
And I'd armormaxx with mechs and tanks because those were cool as fuck too. Maybe some bligger deja blu boys for obsec depending on how the game necessitates force structure, but that'd be the closest I ever got to caring about navi.

Speaking of, anybody else found it funny how they just happened to have a bunch of navi sized guns lying around for Jake in the first movie when all the researcgers refused to use guns? I guess you could argue they already had operation Deja Blu in place before him, but I somewhat doubt James planned that far ahead and that still doesn't explain how easily he was able to raid an squad's worth in order to arm the researchers in the big resistance moment.

Armored core 6 got the message across better.
HFY sucks btw.

>>96239328
Fucking Ferngully did a better job.

This setting desperately needs a 5e release

>>96234412
its not really surprising given the fact that everything about it beyond the visual effects is okay, and by that I mean
>story isn't bad but isn't good
>same with characters
>same with lore
>same with soundtrack/sound design
>same with art style
there is just really nothing notable about this movie beyond the fact it makes a lot of money and is then forgotten about

>>96239313
>I guess you could argue they already had operation Deja Blu in place before him, but I somewhat doubt James planned that far ahead
>Doubting James Cameron

>>96214394
It's even dumber that they don't just mass bomb the furries then because real life corpos would sooner kill a billion children than let something go unexploited.
If Avatar weren't poorly written it would've been a government run NGO with internal politics that prevented total navi genocide. As is they would've been gone in a week if they were getting in the way.

>>96246434
>it would've been a government run NGO with internal politics that prevented total navi genocide.
Yeah just look how well it worked on middle east, right?

>>96246393
Why do you people want everything to be 5e. It's not built for everything, let alone science fiction.

>>96234308
>>i want my units to be individually stronger and tougher
>>i also want them to have built-in alpga strike and ambush deployment
>>oh and I also want to have a trump-card whale/dragon/etc that I can deploy whenever I manage to actually start losing to board wipe my opponent

Yeah that sounds appropriate to the movies. The human player will have to use their brain a bit more than just declaring they'll shoot at the nearest target every round

>>96239313
>Speaking of, anybody else found it funny how they just happened to have a bunch of navi sized guns lying around for Jake in the first movie when all the researcgers refused to use guns?
He used a machine gun from the helicopter in the first movie. In the second he uses the skel suit / recom guns

>>96246430
>doubting Jane "Testosterone is a poison" Cameron
Yeah

>>96246866
He's right in the sense that Women and castrated men live longer than normal men because they have less testosterone.

>>96246886
The candle that burns twice as hard burns half as long

>>96214043
>>96246434
I think the very clear implication from the second movie, is that human rights somewhat applies to the Na'vi.
But... you know... about as much as it applies to the native population of the Amazon, or to the Vietnamese during the war.
That is: those who fight back the invasion become fair game, with a hefty dose of collateral damage tolerated, but straight genociding them would be frowned up.
Quaritch in the second movie taps into the same archetypes as Kurtz in Heart of Darkness, in that he knows that would need to be done in order to win, but that requiers stepping out of the line.

>>96229758
>For what purpose?
>Not all settings are designed to be sandboxy franchises.
If there's one thing that's the main appeal of the Avatar movies, I think, is that they are really immersive and leaves you longing for the life in Pandora.
I can't find it ATM, but there was this interview of James Cameron having debates with his producers, because they thought a prolonged scene of Jake flying was unnecessary, but he insisted on keeping it because he "wanted to see it and therefore the audience would enjoy seeing it, too".
When people get the impulse of creating a TTRPG around an existing setting, usually it's out of this desire to be able to further engage with it, to get back in the story.
But, yeah, I agree that, as is, it lacks a bit of plot hooks for a variety of adventures, although it shouldn't be too hard to come up with.

>>96224417
Ok so name them
>hardmode films that came out in the past five years

>>96246691
Fair enough on the mechsuit guns, but why is a helo gun designed for navi hands? Shouldn't they anticipate a human gunner?

>>96246886
And jellyfish can live forever, guess we should all lobotomize ourselves because clearly brainstems are poison!

>>96213301 (OP)
UNDERTALE: THE MOVIE shows first look of Undyne...

>>96229758
>Just add Exodites to 40k already instead
For what purpose?

>>96246650
Honestly? I just needed to bump the thread.

>>96213333
Isn't it true because humans in Avatar has space/void superiority?
They can literally just deploy low orbit ships like the Heli-carriers in Avengers and bombard them to death.
They fly up to fight them? They are going to be shot down before they even reach them.

>>96246677
both sides should have to use their brains
humans should be stronger and more numerous, but ill-suited to the environment, which makes it difficult for them to use their full power
remember that even navi agree that the best weapons are rifles and explosives stolen from humans
the gameplay should be about humans trying to steamroll, with navi trying to make it as painful as possible

>>96213301 (OP)
>>Setting is ripe for soft sci-fi/sword and planet stories
not really, no, it doesn't offer much that's actually unique
fancy looking maybe, but not unique

>>96246677
>The human player will have to use their brain a bit
Okay.
I low-orbit carpet bomb the whole field before we even start.
Your navi army is wiped out :^)

>>96213333
The na'vi are basically the empire in this setting so that claim makes little sense.

Hell, they even got their emperor (eiwa)

Quaritch and his goons are the Tau

>>96250596
This is what happens when warhammer is your frame of reference for everything.

>>96253577
you speak like an eldar

>>96250107
Very good, sir. Now, do you have a non-hypocritical answer for why all those alien invaders with space superiority shouldn't just nuke Earth from orbit, or are you just going to say that it would be bad and wrong and not interesting to watch it happen to humans?

>>96255004
>sir
SAAR PLS DO NOT REDEEM THE ORBITAL BOMBARDMENT SAAR PLS
>why all those alien invaders with space superiority shouldn't just nuke Earth from orbit
Who says they shouldn't? Independence Day was precisely because they surgically struck every global center of power.
>you just going to say that it would be bad and wrong and not interesting to watch it happen to humans?
Last I checked, there's not a single alien invasion movie where humams are stronger, more durable, able to effortlessly shrug off the invasion, and if all else fails summon magical plot armored megafauna to fight on their behalf. Except maybe some takes on Godzilla/Gamera, but that's a different genre altogether and humanity only has the one kaiju

>>96255725
>Independence Day was precisely because they surgically struck every global center of power.
They blast the big cities once and send out spacecraft only when attacked instead of just hanging out safely in their big spaceships and nuking any buildings they see. Because it would be bad and wrong and not interesting to watch humans get stomped by an intelligent foe.
>summon magical plot armored megafauna to fight on their behalf
Not quite a megafauna, but War of the Worlds has aliens capable of space travel, heat rays and giant war machines suddenly dying because they just forgot that microbes exist.

>>96256177
>They blast the big cities once and send out spacecraft only when attacked instead of just hanging out safely in their big spaceships and nuking any buildings they see.
Because they're harvesting raw resources and need the planet somewhat intact (I'm sure you can draw the parallels here if you're not retarded but honestly I don't think you'll see it) but they still made sure to completely cripple the entire human race before switching over to mining operations.
>Because it would be bad and wrong and not interesting to watch humans get stomped by an intelligent foe.
Humanity also didn't take out the mothership with a bow and arrow and some oddly friendly rhinos.
>suddenly dying because they just forgot that microbes exist.
It was written in fucking 1898 and the whole reason for that ending is to HUMBLE humanity by showing we aren't hot shit and even our greatest technology is a joke in the face of good ol uncaring mother nature. You'd think a commie misanthrope like yourself would appreciate that. And again, it'd only be comparable to Avatar's hackery if the ayys were defeated by all the elephants and lions and tigers and so on spontaneously cooperating and effortlessly oneshotting the tripods and if humans were also doing that with mere sticks and rocks.

Imagine being so assblasted someone points out Avatar would make for a shit wargame if you try to give them the movie's plot-armor that you start talking shit about William Heinemann. Talk about hubris.

>>96250107
>has to introduce non-canon asspulls to win

Smartest HFY-tard. There are no fixed wing aircraft on Pandora capable of carpet bombing and besides it wouldn’t be a mechanic in a skirmish wargame.
You're just mad that the premise and content of the movie doesn't fit your idea of what "should" happen

>>96256401
>HFY-tard
Not even, I hate that shit. I was just pointing out you NFY-cucks would never be satisfied with a wargame unless it's a brainless stompfest for navi. And I was proven right again and again and again.
>besides it wouldn’t be a mechanic in a skirmish wargame.
Neither should "I suddenly summon a whale/rhino army that vastly outclasses both of our armies". If you want to include animals they should be in the scale of the game and be factored into your armies' points cost.

Do you think a mixed Human-Na'avi RPG party could work? Either Native or Avatars. Also how important would balancing them be to you?

>>96256921
>bumpfag tries to bump a spent thread
Lmao

>>96256297
>they still made sure to completely cripple the entire human race before switching over to mining operations
Clearly they didn't, because they didn't just toss a space nuke at Area 51 and all the other hotspots of human activity.
>Humanity also didn't take out the mothership with a bow and arrow and some oddly friendly rhinos.
Instead they code a virus in just a few days for an operating system they have little knowledge of (the first spaceship crashed 49 years before the start of the movie) and it works perfectly.
>It was written in fucking 1898 and the whole reason for that ending is to HUMBLE humanity by showing we aren't hot shit and even our greatest technology is a joke in the face of good ol uncaring mother nature.
Would it also have humbled humanity and shown how uncaring Mother Nature is if the Martians had stepped out of their ships without any protection and suffocated on the spot, or would that also have been a stupid ending?

>>96256321
A thousand thousand apologies for not appreciating your book publisher husbando enough, oh Great One.

>>96257741
>Clearly they didn't, because they didn't just toss a space nuke at Area 51 and all the other hotspots of human activity.
They beamed every major city, speedwatcher-chama. Which is more than anything the RDA did because James is retarded.
>Instead they code a virus in just a few days for an operating system they have little knowledge of
Which is a massive, goofy asspull and yet STILL had more thought put into it than anything that happened in Avatar. And they still had to actually fight the damn things.
>Would it also have humbled humanity and shown how uncaring Mother Nature is if the Martians had stepped out of their ships without any protection and suffocated on the spot, or would that also have been a stupid ending?
Are you also mad when modern scifi incorporates new sciences or things the author finds interesting.
>A thousand thousand apologies for not appreciating your book publisher husbando enough
Xhe says, expecting me to respect some sackless silver spoon hippie

By thex way, you seem to think I'm mad the navi won when I'm not. I'm disappointed their victory was utterly unearned and a lazy, uninteresting asspull that you for some unhinged reason want to translate to tabletop. Sorry lil bro, but "If I lose too hard I get to flip the table and declare Eywa smote thee" is a faggoty ass rule to want and clearly shows that you're projecting your sore winner syndrome onto me.

>>96256487
>If you want to include animals they should be in the scale of the game and be factored into your armies' points cost.
I never implied otherwise. You just created a extreme position in your head and got mad at yourself

>>96256921
yes, that's Jake's kids + Spider in avatar 2. A team of avatars, recoms or na'vi with a few normal humans that have very specialist roles but naturally can't keep up in any action sequence or fight also makes perfect sense

>>96257537
love this idea that you're not allowed to ask questions on /tg/, I assume you expect it to be a wiki for you to just pick up information passively

>>96258035
>I never implied otherwise
No, you explicitly stated otherwise and then double and tripled down when I pointed out how retarded and unbalanced that was.

>>96257936
>They beamed every major city
Yeah, the aliens destroyed many population centers, but after that they planned to land and continue the fight on the ground instead of just blasting global EMPs and pumping the atmosphere full of pathogens and/or radiation while sipping space margaritas. Because otherwise they would've beaten the humans by being smart, which is bad and wrong.
>Are you also mad when modern scifi incorporates new sciences or things the author finds interesting.
I'm annoyed when dumb storytelling is excused as long as the critic's favored species, be they human or na'vi or elf or whatever, wins because of it. Germ theory wasn't exactly the newest thing by 1898 and even if Wells thought it was neat, he should've given it some more thought before having the advanced aliens drop dead simply because they didn't realize that the guys they wanted to eat might have different microbes, or any microbes at all.
>their victory was utterly unearned and a lazy, uninteresting asspull that you for some unhinged reason want to translate to tabletop
And you seem to think I'm a diehard Avatar/na'vi fan, but I'm not. Hell, I'm not even one of the guys brainstorming the game. This whole argument started from me saying that if it's fine for space humans to win whenever they feel like it because they have space superiority, then it should be exactly as fine for space aliens to win whenever they feel like it because they have space superiority. If humans get to win because the space aliens act retarded, then aliens get to win because the space humans act retarded. If it's unacceptable and boring for aliens to win like that, then it is unacceptable and boring for the humans to win like that.
"If I lose too hard I get to flip the table and declare Eywa smote thee" is just as bad for any game as "If I lose too hard I get to flip the table and declare orbital strike upon thee" or "I declare orbital strike upon thee".

>>96214127
Pandoraland was so fucking cool though. I went at night and everything was glow in the dark

>>96258773
no I didn't

>>96259076
You did

>>96258814
>I'm annoyed when dumb storytelling is excused as long as the critic's favored species
Except when it favors navi, of course
>And you seem to think I'm a diehard Avatar/na'vi fan
You seethed at the concept of balanced gameplay because it didn't properly glaze your mary blus
>"If I lose too hard I get to flip the table and declare Eywa smote thee" is just as bad for any game as "If I lose too hard I get to flip the table and declare orbital strike upon thee" or "I declare orbital strike upon thee".
Holy shit the lack of self-awareness. I only brought up the latter in response to you claiming the former is good, balanced gameplay.