"Huh, I guess Warcry isn't dead" edition

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Excited about anything? Not just the new warhammer/necromunda stuff coming out but like life in general I guess.

>>96223654 (OP)
Enforcer pattern plasma pistol look kinda nice, gonna wait until someone selling the bits separately. Just got a bunch of Sister inferno pistol bits for pennies, dunno what to do yet.

Also waiting for these Armiger motherfuckers to go plastic, 3 resin armigers the size of your fingernails at 60, bruh what a rip off. Dunno maybe some Saturnite Dread at Epic scale would look kinda cute.

Does anyone know where I could find a pdf of the matched play guide for Middle-earth strategy battle game please?

>>96223654 (OP)
Didnt the guy who made Warcry left GW?
I hope its just rules for all the stuff that doesnt have them (chorfs, wolffucker gits etc).
Im afraid if its a 3rd edition, its gonna be Killteam 2021 all over again

>>96224389
I'm certain that any future warcry editions won't try to be Sigmar Team.

>>96224483
it would absolutely retarded, which is why i wouldnt put it past GW

Always wanted to build a good bloodbowl pitch and a friend gave me his fdm a while ago. Found a great set of stls I plan to get when they go on sale this month.
I'm thinking a 7s pitch set in the ruins of Mordheim, probably the raven barracks.
For the center circle I am trying to figure out what to put. I don't really want the classic BB but rather something that fits the setting so either
>A fish. the cities symbol
>a raven, the raven barracks symbol
>a manticore ala the ostermark flag (Mordheim was the capital of Ostermark before the comet)
>A twin tailed comet

current work on bloodborne warband

>>96225020
Witch hunters?
Whos gonna be your heroes vs henchmen?

Working on fixing Necromunda's melee. PDF can't be uploaded, so separate pages will have to do. Hopefully this proves to be more fun that the original melee rules, especially with paired weapons simply giving a +1A for having 2 weapons instead of doubling attacks.

In Gang Showdown you charge up to Mx2" instead of M+D3", and you can charge from a pinned state but up to M" instead of Mx2".

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>>96226196
That's all. If you notice any grammar or style mistakes, please do point them out, as I'm not a native english speaker and might have messed up somewhere.

>>96226189
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>>96226204
#4 Make Hit Rolls
--> you need a line at the beginning saying "A fighter may pick which of their weapons to use for each attack roll"

It seems kind of bad to make Initiative pointless.

Crits seem too powerful.

What would you describe the goal of these rules to be? What are specific flaw are they trying to fix with the default rules? Just no more glass cannons?

>>96226495
The goal of the rules is to overhaul weak spots in the original rules to make the game more varied.

Shooting is toned down, melee generally becomes more reliable, so no weird tricks such as tactic cards would be required to make a melee fighter viable. Also a lot of underused stats get buffed, for example LD is used for bottle and WIL is used for a target priority test when shooting.

As for the duel rework, I wanted melee fights to be more tense, as currently if you charge something with a killy enough fighter, they simply never get to make retaliation attacks, making melee very all or nothing. My only fear is that unless you are charging someone from the back or charging a pinned enemy, a melee blender vs a melee blender will result in mutually assured destruction most of the time.

Its not shown in the posted examples, but the initiative test is used to jump over barricades (or get slowed by 2" on Initiative test fail) and to climb up unimpeded (or climb up slowly, counting 2" as 1" on Initiative test fail). Retreating from CC is a simple action and is not reliant on the opponent's Initiative, only your test is made (retreat up to M" or stay in CC and get smacked once on initiative fail).

>>96226574
>My only fear is that unless you are charging someone from the back or charging a pinned enemy, a melee blender vs a melee blender will result in mutually assured destruction most of the time.
That definitely seems like a big downside (and an argument for Initiative playing a bigger role). Maybe the defender should have to pass an Initiative test in order to make their wounds apply simultaneously -- on a fail they only apply if they survive any incoming damage. Or on a fail they cannot resolve any Strikes, only Defends.

Maybe math would disagree with me, but I feel like these rules incentivize the "Beatsticks Only" meta even more. A mid-tier close combat build (like a champ or a ganger with a mundane melee weapon and a cheapish pistol) would get clapped by any beatstick, and might even get one-shotted when charging a lucky mook who happens to crit on their single die. Making those "mid-tier" melee builds worthwhile should be the primary goal of any changes to the system IMO.

>>96226574
>Its not shown in the posted examples, but the initiative test is used to jump over barricades (or get slowed by 2" on Initiative test fail) and to climb up unimpeded (or climb up slowly, counting 2" as 1" on Initiative test fail).
These sound like very cool changes if I'm reading them right, though. Are you saying that on a pass a fighter can skip paying the vertical cost of an obstacle, or climb 1:1 with their movement stat? If so that's a great change, anything that makes the board more traversable is a noble effort.

>>96226679
> Are you saying that on a pass a fighter can skip paying the vertical cost of an obstacle, or climb 1:1 with their movement stat?
You pass through an obstacle as if it was not there.
>Anything that makes the board more traversable is a noble effort.
Jumping down costs no movement (unless you fail Initiative and faceplant), alternatively you can climb down if you want to be safe. Jumping over pits is automatic if the jump is less than 3". If it is 3" or more then you test Initiative, on success you jump over the pit, on fail you still jump over but get pinned and might fall down on Initiative fail.

>A mid-tier close combat build (like a champ or a ganger with a mundane melee weapon and a cheapish pistol) would get clapped by any beatstick, and might even get one-shotted when charging a lucky mook who happens to crit on their single die. Making those "mid-tier" melee builds worthwhile should be the primary goal of any changes to the system IMO.
Since the attacker gets to act first (and strike first), even a juve can be dangerous when charging. Also there is only one reaction per fighter, so a bunch of melee gangers will probably clap one melee champion, since he can only duel once and will have no retaliation against the rest of the enemy. I'm making sure that there are no ways in the rules to react more than once per round. This actually could lead to funny situations where you do not want to duel against a juve, as that juve was a part of the group activation and the enemy champion is charging after the juve. So the juve gets a free shanks in (or the enemy champion charges and breaks your face in).

Also I've made it impossible camping top of the ladders, making the enemy essentially un-chargeable (pic related)

>>96226721
>Also I've made it impossible camping top of the ladders, making the enemy essentially un-chargeable (pic related)
That's good, you should also make it clear that models are allowed to hang halfway up a ladder when ascending, if their movement won't let them get up in one shot.

There's NOTHING worse than an unassailable position and the rules should avoid allowing one to be attained in as many ways as they can.

For me your melee rules are close to good, but if I'm being honest I don't think I'd play them without some sort of concession to high Init being valuable in a fight. That's the core raison d'aitre for that characteristic. Completely disregarding it in favour of Attack stat supremacy strikes me as a fundamental mistake.

>>96226920
Me and my group have playtested that, it was a bit confusing when you had a 10vs10 fight and multiple fighters would start climbing. I think the GW's way is fine here.
I've put recommendation in scenarios which goes something like 'don't be a dick and don't put in spots which would be inaccessable to one of the gangs'. Also if you use spend all of your action points on movement when climbing a ladder, then you ascend on top of a ladder, no matter how tall it is. It is a rare case for a ladder to be that tall though.

I think that the Initiative is valuable for getting the charge connect, as -2" from a failed initiative check could mean the difference between getting to fight or getting shot to pieces 2" away from the enemy shooter.

Another rule that really obviously needs a change is Stray Shots

If the initial target is missed, potential follow-up targets should be hit on a 6, not on a 50/50. It's stupid that the trajectory of a miss becomes a heat-seeking sentient bullet. I've seen people line up a low BS fighter to shoot not at its actual ideal target, but at whatever target would allow their misses the best chance of hitting a consolation target.

>>96226189
These seem horrible. So many fights would just end in trades. A totally anticlimactic outcome for a narrative-heavy game. Whether at the high end between melee blenders or two Juves with rusting knives in an alley.

>>96227000
Alternatively a stray shot only occurs on a natural 1 and can only hit standing friendly fighters, to prevent any sort of abuse. The name implies that it is something unintended - and thus should not be beneficial to you.
>>96227153
> So many fights would just end in trades
Could be. But if all fighters had a max of 3A (so 5A in total, +1 from charging, +1 from 2 weapons), maybe it wouldn't be as bad?
Alternatively, perhaps a crit shouldn't be a +1 wound roll, but rather a bonus AP, +1 to wound roll or something less drastic than an entirely separate wound roll?

>>96226056
yah thinking of witch hunters as template.

heros in white, hench in black. lore is zealot werewolves. believers whove contracted lynchanthropy and want to repent via holy war.

>>96227456
>Alternatively a stray shot only occurs on a natural 1 and can only hit standing friendly fighters, to prevent any sort of abuse. The name implies that it is something unintended - and thus should not be beneficial to you.
Don't really love that, for the same reason I don't love the standard Stray rules. It ALWAYS hitting a friendly is as much a twist of probability as it becoming a guided munition with better aim than the person who fired it.

(I don't mind it only triggering on a 1, but after that it should be fair game to hit anyone in front of it)

Anyone got the rules for House Cawdor for Necromunda? Thank you very much

Made some logos for my teams with Ai
pretty fun

>>96228945
https://litter.catbox.moe/n8ypp0j26n4i3dmq.pdf

>>96229514
Can't be reached bro

>>96229533
https://pdfcoffee.com/necromunda-house-of-faith-pdf-free.html

>>96229396
Not a bad idea.

Is there a gang creator that isn't Yaktribe? Apparently the dude who ran it ghosted

>>96231947
Pen and paper worked.

>>96231961
Can't pen and paper while on the shitter at work

>>96231979
notepad and a calculator.

BBG is dead? Bros, tell me it's still alive please

>>96231947
Long live yaktribe

>>96229396
Milkdrinker had their first games against Blorcs
1-1.
Managed to get 4 double skulls between the two games, all with blockers.
Blacksad is clearly the least lucky lineman, being hospitalized in both games.
Holy shit I forgot how fun bloodbowl is and 7s is a fucking hoot. Its like wearing clownshoes

>>96232032
bloodbowl? we used to have a whole league back in the day

>>96231947
There's Munda Manager

A third option also popped up a couple months ago but I think it's in an earlier stage and not really ready for full use yet

>>96226574
I would keep charges to M+d3" but rather than failing a charge you can keep moving up to 2xM but lose charge bonus and strike at -1 to hit.

Versatile Unwieldy weapons should give -1 to hit to the attacker when defending against a charge as these weapons are almost universally polearms.

Instead of getting a reroll to hit, give weapons with Parry a single bonus die that can only be used to defend.

Another option is instead of the duel rules, make it so the bonus charge attack die gets resolved first, then reaction attacks and norrmal attacks are resolved simultaneously.

>>96232395
>Versatile Unwieldy weapons should give -1 to hit to the attacker when defending against a charge as these weapons are almost universally polearms.
That doesn't make sense, polearms are at their strongest when they're fending off an approaching opponent. It's after the opponent closes that a polearm could struggle.

>>96232795
The first round of attack (charge) the defender is fending off with the polearm. The subsequent rounds is when they struggle.

Anyway, was always strange to me Necromunda doesn't have a WS vs WS table like Mordheim. Make it work like S vs. T and make weapon accuracy modify WS rather than to hit directly (With Parry traits and skills improving WS when defending).

>>96229396
What prompt and what generator?

So which specialist game is getting an update next you think? I'd assume a new big box for Warcry in November but they might surprise us with a new Warhammer Quest or some kind of Legion Imperialis update. Necromunda I think will just get a couple random brute/specialist releases in 2026 and a complete 4th edition overhaul November of 2027.

>>96232878
>a WS vs WS table
They used the 8th edition combat roll, the one that quadruple their profit and turn them into billion dollar Corpo.

>>96232956
Bloodbowl, no team releases since last year or any expansion releases recently, probably means they're gonna release a new edition sometime within the next 6 months

>>96233237
>no team releases since last year or any expansion releases recently, probably means they're gonna release a new edition
Lol, lmao. GW tends to release new shit even a week before a new edition drops.

>>96232956
>Necromunda I think will just get a couple random brute/specialist releases in 2026
There's no reason to think that other than "muh gut"

They keep pumping out extra shit for gangs no one expected

>>96223654 (OP)
Really excited to play some battlefleet next weekend.
I just finished up this large heap of cruisers and krakens to join my mostly scratch built hive fleet(but I just loved how the video game portrays massive claws so couldn’t resist)
Speaking of here’s my list for a planetary assault(lore/fluff reasons behind lone hiveship, outside of this I know I’d never leave home without 2)

Hive ship
Prow pyro acid 45cm
8 launch bays.
Ld9
Imperative

Cruiser:
2 Cruisers with max crushing claws

Escorts:
2 x6 escort drones with pyro acid
4x kraken with claws
2x vanguard drone ships with feeder tentacles.

>>96233596
I also just finished making some sort of low orbit map. An upgrade to the plain black felt I normally mess with. And modular as well!

>>96231947
Mundamanager is good

>>96233607
Are the blobs supposed to be islands with city lights on them? Nice idea, but I doubt I'd like playing on it. Do they have any mechanical effects, or are they just for show? If it's the latter, have you got any terrain suitable for lower orbit (like orbital stations/elevator, defense nets/mines)?

What exactly makes the Phobos Strike Team so good? There has to be something I'm not seeing.

What is the latest supported non-GW Blood Bowl ruleset? If I don't want to stick with GW's rules, is LRB6 the way to go?

>>96232956
Warcry.
They haven't had any releases for ages, have mentioned it a bit recently.

>>96233741
There're /ktg/ for Killteam question.

>>96233737
Nope, it’s way too zoomed out a scale for that, but I do have forts and orbital guns.

What do you use for low orbit maps anon?
It’s going to be setup next to the table, defending player puts continents around as they please.

>>96233737
Oh Continents anon, think way out with the scale.

>>96233742
It's only GW rules anon

>>96233808
No one plays with CRP or LRB6 anymore?

>>96232932
Bing image generator. All of them I used the same basic prompt of
logo for a sports team "{name]", the logo features x y and z, the teams colors A and B,

So is it true Necromunda tried to add vehicles but like og kill teams commander era it flopped and now some gangs have vehicles and others never will?

>>96234979
Vehicle didn't "flop", but it's not exactly popular, mainly because too many ref table drag game out for too long. Vehicles are also really expensive, some campaign has a mix between vehicle/non-vehicle scenario, making fund balancing between vehicle-fighter-repair really annoying, but it was that way because of narrative reason. But houserule is a thing for a reason, if people want to go full wasteland vehicle combat with the rule, it worked.

Due to how Specialist Game productions and funding work (limited and being occupied by bigger game like HH, TOW) it's unlikely that every gang will see an exclusive vehicle, But common and custom vehicles exist. Most gang only have 1 exclusive vehicle/mount, Squat has 2. Due to how slow the release cycle is, most people wouldn't want to see a vehicle release either, that could have been fighter/weapon instead.

>>96231984
Can't bring that to the shitter either

>>96234898
Thanks. I went with Perchance and it does the trick.

>>96235405
Do you own a slanesh themed bb team?
Link to stls?

>>96235409
Nah, I am done with printing for a long time now. I bought a GW's Chaos Chosen team box some time ago and I finally sat down to mix them with spare Slaanesh bits.

>>96232956
My guess is a new Battlefleet Gothic some time in the next few years, a new Mordheim announcement by next year and a new Space Hulk with repackaged Into the Dark terrain by 2027.

>>96234114
Honestly LRB6 was ROUGH
it made bashy teams a nightmare to deal with, just play bb2 and all the russians with chaos teams.

The new rules did something I actually liked to house rule by making piling on count as a foul. Just like how in real football you can get ejected for unnecessary roughness

>>96231979
bro doesn't know what a clipboard is

>>96235731
>BFG ruined
>Mordheim ruined
At least we'll still have Warmaster and Man o' War, r-right?

>>96235787
I haven't played since BB2016 but I want to jump back. The problem is there is so much extra shit and DLCs released for BB2020 I don't even want to touch it. Is the game any decent if I want to play with a core book only plus the new teams? I simply don't want to deal with even more random tables, cards, star players etc. I want to simply play one-shot matches with my gf whenever we have a free evening and run a simple league once in a while.

>>96235841
Believe me its not that different at all. All the tweaks are minor

>>96232285
>homemade pitch
Holy SOVL batman

>>96234114
If they do it's small niche groups. The current GW bloodbowl has some good fixes.

If you want to play LRB6 then hop on BB2

>>96235841
Bro are you retarded? If you google "blood bowl rules" all the new rules pop up for free on .ru sites.

>>96235841
>with gf
Just play the 2016/lrb6 rules then

>>96235787
>videogame problems
Yeah that was never an issue IRL only online where 200 matches a month was possible.

>>96237089
>all the new rules pop up for free
At what point have I said that the price or availability is the problem?

>>96237187
>The problem is there is so much extra shit and DLCs released for BB2020 I don't even want to touch it.

The only reason to complain about DLCs and extra shit is price

>>96234979
Not really?

There was one gang that didn't get a vehicle kit (Delaque), and it was a surprise to everyone. Because they're one of the main six house gangs, and yet unique vehicles were made for Enforcers and Squats (which are 2nd tier expansion gangs). Nomads are another "expansion" tier gang that got a vehicle, but that was expected because they're the face of the Wastes expansion.

It feels like the lack of a Delaque kit might have been something going wrong behind the scenes, like whatever happened with Cursed City or the unreleased AoS incarnate

There are some stupid people who will split hairs and claim mounts =/= vehicles, and therefore more than just Delaque were denied, but that is a flunkie argument. We're talking resources, plastic kits, and a kit that makes mounts is equivalent to a kit that makes what the rules define as a vehicle, because both are Ash Wastes Things.

What's the next super meta speed card coming out?

>>96237232
No? Perhaps tourists and newfags require constant flow of new content but after years of dealing with GW games I learnt that 90% of this shit is pure bloat but GW tends to be so greedy they turn this bloat into obligatory content. If your zoom-zoom level of attention spam allowed you to read the whole post you would know that
>I simply don't want to deal with even more random tables, cards, star players etc. I want to simply play one-shot matches with my gf whenever we have a free evening and run a simple league once in a while.
This is exactly why I asked how playable is the game with core rules only.

>>96237232
>The only reason for not consuming is price
Grim.

>>96237364
>>96237376
>hates gw
>still plays gw games

just go play some other game you fag
you are the type of guy to be playing a game and interrupt your opponent to tell them how evil gw is

>>96237364
>casual game with a single, captive opponent doesn't want to see new content for games

Crazy, man. That's so cool, man.

>>96237364
Just play Blitz Bowl which is the fast, normie friendly version of Blood Bowl you want. Obviously you can't handle the full game so do that.

>>96237415
>Like the game
>Doesn't like how it is being handled
Blows your mind eh?
>>96238421
>you can't handle the full game
I was regularly playing BB2016 which I mentioned in my first post as well. It is crazy how the concept of not chasing every single snippet of new content is apparently mind-breaking for drones here.

>>96238991
I thought the same way about the new teams until I saw the gnomes. I loved them
I don't really use the new pitches or fancy new stars though

>>96238996
This is my point exactly. When playing BB2016 I knew that I can stick with either core rules or LRB only and add new Teams if I want to. With BB2020 I have no idea nor I have time to actually compare all the differences, check all the DLCs and estimate if they are any necessary.
My experience with Adeptus Titanicus is the game should NOT be played without the expansion books since only then it can be considered a complete game no matter how good the core rules are. Warcry on the other hand was the most enjoyable for me when limited to the core content only.
When has /gwsg/ turned into fucking /ktg/ where questioning a need to follow every DLC GW is shitting out during their lunch break is considered a crime?

>>96239013
ok all the resources are free and there were some teams that were updated in death zone but all their rules are up to date on the bloodbowl base website.
I can promise you almost nothing is mandatory

>>96239013
When retards like you drove everyone away to discords and other websites

>>96238991
>>>96237415 (You)
>>Like the game
>>Doesn't like how it is being handled
>Blows your mind eh?

you self reported that you dont even play the game
so you dont know how its handled at all

youre mad about some other shit gw did and you act like theyre a fucking cancer ruining every game

ill give you a clue why you dont have any friends to play with its because youre an asshole who is severely autistic and cannot communicate properly

instead of coming in here and crying about dlc bloat and how shitty gw is you could have just asked what you meant

>hey guys ive played a bunch of lrb6 and i want to play some more bloodbowl with my gf
>is bb2020 an improvement?
>there was a lot of outcry when it first released and there is a ton of extra rules added on so im not sure where to begin or if we should just stick with lrb6

instead you changed the whole thread into everyone calling you a retard and you calling everyone else a drone

you are why tg is shit

Looking to start playing the new edition of mesbg now that armies have released. Are the PDFs for the new books online anywhere?

Also any advice for a lifelong Rohan player? I've heard they struggle this edition

>>96236486
Yeah I was super stoked when I saw it. Dude I played with was super chill.
game is such a blast

>>96235464
Is there some decent how brew rules floating round for the deamon teams?

>>96235841
The core rule book is fine, the other extra shit is all optional and is mostly just extra team specific inducements, team specific rules for home games like weather tables that reflect a teams homeland, and most of those cards are just limited time shit that most people don't even have, core rule book is fine

>>96229396
I used an image generator the other day to mash up some player pics for my vampires team, mixed results

https://perchance.org/ai-character-generator

>>96235731
I don’t think BFGs ever coming back at this rate

>>96240841
As a Rohan player myself the main Rohan thing is still applicable. Ignore foot soldiers and get as many riders as humanly possible. The army list for Theoden's army and Eomer are pretty nice. I have absolutely no idea about the armies based on the anime movie because to me, that abomination doesn't even exist, so...

Okay, so we decided to get back into Underworlds again. We stopped playing when they decided seasons were a thing, realized some decks were going obsolete and decided to give GW the middle finger. What would be necessary to play again? Just want to confirm our best option here:

>new edition's box for the new board and decks
>sell miniatures because we have a metric ton of warbands already
>use money to get rest of the decks

>>96242356
You mean fumbbl secret leagues?
https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague2020

>>96243152
depends who "we" is, if you already have the stuff you could just play with your old stuff`

>>96243152
All cards from old edition are obsolete because the the new format use the waband mechanic + universal deck(which each has its own mechanic). And only a handful of old warband get the "waband mechanic" in new edition, the rest had to use the "universal mechanic", so all your models might not be playable at all.

The GW route is to buy Embergard and get 4 decks to play with, also board, dice and token.

The non-GW route is to print your own shit and sleeve it.

GW decks are very expensive, almost as expensive as the warband. I'm not recommend this.

Upcoming expansion only come with 2 decks, probably not much cheaper than Embergard, but maybe. who know.

I see the version of bloodbowl from years ago new on ebay for like £50 but I also see new versions from 20 years ago, multiple editions, for £50 as well. Which should I get to play with my 8 year old nephew/ in general too

>>96244038
>new versions from 20 years ago
Wut?

Getting into Middle Earth and where I should start
Do people do allied armies still?
What's the best way to start collecting?

>>96244624
Allied armies in the old sense aren't a thing anymore. Armies are built to specific theme lists rather than just a faction, but some of those theme lists include stuff from multiple factions (for example the Defense of Helm's Deep list includes the Three Hunters, Rohan stuff, and Lothlorien stuff).

>>96244719
What's a good place to get started?
I like rohan, the like two ent models and undead warriors

Wondering about a colour scheme for my Horns Of Hashut.
Thinking copper armour, black and red trim.

>>96245048
The current Rohan vs. Dunland starter box is a very good deal and includes some starter terrain if you like Rohan.
The undead are pretty beginner friendly and chaep to build, just grab one box of the warriors, the King (use the two heralds he comes with as regular warriors with banner, never as actual Heralds), and one of the many Aragorn models and you've got a full army that scales up pretty well across multiple point levels.
The Pelennor Fields list also lets you combine both Army of the Dead and Rohan together, so there's that if you want variety in your painting rather than committing to one or the other.

>>96245232 (me)
I guess to expand on Rohan a bit, the new listbuilding rules don't let you mix and match heroes as much as you used to be able to so you'll need to commit to either War of the Ring era or War of the Rohirrim era, though the warriors are the same either way.
There's like half a dozen different Rohan army lists now but most of them boil down to either Theoden + a bunch of riders or Eomer + a bunch of riders with slight variation in the couple of exta models you add to that (Gandalf vs. Wildmen of Druadan vs. Swan Knights etc. etc.)

>>96243152
https://www.underworldsdb.com/warbands.php here's all the fight and army cards. Pick up the starter set and edge of the knife deck, the other 3 kind of suck so pick them up on sale if you want.

I'm noticing that posts whining about a game get more attention that posts about playing the actual games.
This is like /tg/ in a nutshell and we need a name for it. Like "No games" and "tourists" sorta it it but not exactly

>>96245509
Social media works off the same algorithm as it gets more engagement.

I wish it was a /tg/ thing but it's a world thing.
It shouldn't be like Reddit's ridiculous hugbox, but a little bit more positivity and constructive criticism would go a long way

>>96242593
It will once GW decides they need a new tie in game for The Scouring novel series.

>>96235817
AoS: Master of War, coming soon

>>96245509
The term is long established: bittervet

When you write up about your gang, how many pages do you normally write?

>>96245509

I started that "post a pic of the last game you played" thread to try to turn that vibe around. Currently sitting at 6 replies, while retarded threads about whether or not chick's like 40k are going strong.

>>96246499
omg why have you brought this cursedness into the world

they'll take another game and make it "imperial fag armies only"

i'll sword spree nottingham

>>96244038
If it's 2016 with humans and orcs that's a good kit

>>96245148
Sounds good

>>96245509
welcome to tg you must be new
enjoy collecting your (you)s for whining

Helm Hammerhand in plastic.

seems every Specialist game has moved onto these 48-page splats now.
The Helm plastic models look nice enough
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k7ges93g/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-king-helm-and-the-first-middle-earth-journal/

>>96247505
The price for the 48 page books are always too fucking high

>>96247499
The fuck is that Sauron sized sledgehammer?

>>96247499
Lol, lmao even.

>>96247560
Ah yes, the superior option

You know anons, I'm feeling the urge to play an all Kurnothi warband in Warcry. Gotta give my Wood Elves some love!

>>96249245
Daemon elves (gorgeous models)

>>96247499
*Crow voice*
Santa! Be reasonable!

>>96249245
Warcry is as good as dead anon

>>96250124
Have they already come to your house and took those books?

>>96250124
>I only play games that get constant releases, I need to be fed ceaselessly and be given the ability to consume or I think a game is dead
>What do you mean I can still play an unsupported game? The instant releases dry up you've got to burn all your rule books remember?!

Back in the corner, retard.

>>96250124
You realized half the games in these threads were abandoned by gw.
Then the rules become free and the good games (blood bowl, mordheim for example) live on from the fans
GW hasn't touched mordheim in years and mordheim players are plenty happy about that hoping they never do

>>96229396
>ai sodomy

fool

>>96250403
Warcry being dead is one of the best things that could happen to it. Unlike other "dead" games the learning curve for the games isn’t huge and you can easily teach someone how to play in an afternoon. It won't suffer some nearly the same barrier of entry as something like Mordheim.

>>96252069
I would not call Mordheim hard to enter into.
Hell the hardest part is making/building a board

>>96252298
You're probably right, I've only glanced at the rules and it seemed like a bunch of tables and stuff to account for. I'm probably just retarded tho.

>>96250403
All 2 mordheim players in this thread are thrilled

>>96253461
Yeah because the dozen of my friends who play it at my lgs don't post. They actually play

>>96252069
It's funny, a Warcry scene barely existed, now it's exploded with Warcry being dead, regular big events, weekly games.

>>96254290
The game was slowly gaining traction on Reddit but probably not enough for GWs taste.

>>96254440
Giving that some recent Spearhead have Warcry warband in it, it's pretty much becoming the sidegame when people are done with Spearhead.

>>96229396
Last of the 4 teams, this one is a chaos team for a friend who likes beastmen:
The hellfire lambs 4 linemen, 2 chaos warriors (white fur) and a minotaur
My cats are going to dread facing them

Since the topic is Warcry:

This german online store sells some warcry product for 50% discount right now, probably to get rid of overstock:

https://www.radaddel.de/warcry-briar-and-bone-englisch

https://www.radaddel.de/warcry-teratic-cohort

And some more, also some HH and AoS sets as well.

>>96254440
Reddit has no bearing on real life.
I know my story is anecdotal so certainly there's places it's never been played

>>96255542
Those Warcry discount are great, i would get it for the murder tree alone, but unfortunately i'm not in europe.

>>96253530
Post models

Does anyone have the White Dwarf hash? I wanted to grab some old LOTR rules

what are some tips if i'm running mercs in mordheim? even with a ton of bodies my guys get wrecked by guys with more elite heroes or even warbands that can bring even more guys.

>>96255570
I know it just seemed like every other day someone would make a thread asking what they needed to start playing. To the point that you'd think a large number of people were entering the game. I know it's not indicative of the whole but it looked like a good sign for the game.

>>96256625
Last game from their Bordertown Burning Campagin
You would have to be retarded to think no one plays mordheim

What would be a good naming theme for a gnoblar themed snotling themed (thinking yehtis for trolls and maybe a rhino for the pumpwagon)
"The Pigbarter Bozos"?
"The Cleavedland Browns" (Irl Cleveland Browns are hands down the worst team in the nfl)

>>96258758
Old World Avalanches?
Marienburg Wilds?

Badland Rampage

>>96258758
The Scrap Tower Tycoons

>>96258758
The Cheeseland Browns are for Skaven

For a gnoblar team that's got rhinos you should go african imo like Grassland

My LGS is starting with Blood bowl!
Could someone please tell me the general gamestyle of those three teams:
Skavenblight Scramblers
Orc Gouged Eye
Chaos dwarfs
Also for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB

>>96259996
>Also for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB
It's literally the most popular edition of BB of all time with more recorded games than ever before

>Skaven
Great team with very clear positionals
gutter runners are your ball carriers and they're a nightmare for opponents to deal with, low strength means they're terrible at punching other players
Blitzers are your heavy hitters, they have good armour for rats
Throwers can pick up the ball and aren't half bad at throwing it to gutter runners
Linerats are very fragile but very cheap
Rat Ogre is great but can be tricky to use, he will kill your own rats and kill himself with frenzy
ReRolls are cheap

>Orcs
Great team, four black orcs, four blitzers, the thrower is not necessary, the troll is a good roadblock but not necessary
This is an "all-rounder" team which leans more into bashing than passing. Don't try and pass, instead run the ball and maybe try a handoff if you need to.

>Chaos Dwarfs
Strange since the rework, for some reason they got nerfed. You get some strange chorf positionals and your linemen are very fragile.
The team is all about the bull centaurs

Your primary plan is to bash bash bash, it's a balancing act between using your good chorfs to bully the other team while protecting your hobgobs and knowing when the hobgobs are expendable will be tough to balance

>>96259996
https://fumbbl.com/help:BB20RaceStrategy

Starting TV1000 rosters are here too under each race

>>96259996
>for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB
Because it is not playtested, it is changed every few months with new rosters and stars, a large number of rosters and every star have unique one-off rules and the games creator had nothing to do with this edition.
The sole purpose of 2020 is to invalidate the Living Rule Book 6 which the games creator worked with the community for over 15 years to create FOR FREE with the end goal of making the game as good as possible, whereas 2020 was made for profit with the goal of invalidating prior rules and models for an opportunity to force more profit.

>>96259996
>Rats
They are fast, and flexible. They generally favor ball play thanks to having the best running position in the game (gutter runners), but are overall cheap and have just enough muscle to play rough and dirty against the right opponents. They can be both forgiving for new coaches by way of pretty much never being out of reach of scoring so long as there's 2 runners on the field, while also incredibly unforgiving when your entire team gets their face punched in. If your mode of thought going into this game is that the way to play the game is to punch your way through the opponent, maybe leave this team to explore later.

>Orcs
Fundamental, and forgiving. The quintessential newbie team. You don't need to think hard about whether or not you stand up your orcs every turn whether they're next to an already standing opponent or not, because the answer is usually "yes". You have an advantage in strength, armor, and are average in your starting skills and don't lack the essentials (block on several players, sure hands and pass on your thrower). And while you are slightly slower than most teams, it's not so bad as to harshly punish you for not understanding managing distance to end zone vs. turns remaining in a half.

>Chorfs
A punchy and dirty playing team, but a more finessed one. Not recommended for beginners, at given their recent nerfs I'd even say intermediate coaches should think hard about giving them a try. They are like a mix of Orcs and Skaven - cheap players for fouling and getting in the way, a core of tough, reliable hitting players, and a couple standout players ready to be turned into stars (bull centaurs).

For a new coach, I'd rank them 1. Orcs 2. Skaven 3. Chaos Dwarfs. Other teams which are friendly for new coaches are Undead, Humans, and Lizardmen with the caveat that they tend to teach bad habits for new coaches because of how skewed their stats are.

Anyone happen to have a decent bloodbowl pitch stl lying around? Trying to break in my new 3d printer

>>96259996
You can mostly ignore everything that >>96260696
is saying.
BB2020 made a lot of welcome changes. I didn't love the addition the passing stat but I've come to accept it now. BB2020's real sin is completely changing how the post game skill up system works. The new system is demonstrably lamer and does not lend itself to the creation of fun or memorable teams as much as it does to the creation of efficient/cookie-cutter type teams. You'll almost never, for example, roll a +AGI on an orc blitzer or thrower which then opens up a new way to attack on the pitch that your opponent may not expect or has to prepare for. Not under BB2020 at any rate. So that takes some of the fun out of what's still a very enjoyable game.

>>96262830
I think the passing stat is good in general, they just nerfed the average passing too much. Some people being good at dodging but bad at passing or the other way around helps make the teams feel a bit more distinct. Most elves being effectively unable to even attempt a pass is bad though. Throwing the ball wherever on a 1 doesnt help either.

>>96262830
I've played plenty of BB2020 and still actively participate in the biggest league in my area, I still think there's more problems.

My main problems with the edition, as the other anon pointed out, is that the edition seems to have been written on a first pass only, no editing and certainly no playtesting. For a start, wildly inaccurate, as it is, is a stupid fucking rule for an edition which seemed to want to encourage pass play. Second, those responsible for writing the first pass on much of the new skill wording (vs how the same skills had been written) I hope have been sacked and the interns responsible for interpreting those poorly written rules dismissed. The number of times rules have altered dramatically from the prior edition because those wordings could be interpreted a couple different ways, and then the FAQs doubled down on the worst possible option, is embarrassing. Skills and traits not having any effect when a player has no tackle zones? Morons! Your problem was with the wording on the Hypnotic Gaze skill, and could have been addressed there, but now we have over a dozen individual skill and trait FAQs clarifying that they still work when a player doesn't have tackle zones. And hilariously, over a year after laboriously adding those FAQs... they missed it again on the Iron Hard Skin rework, and had to FAQ it too. Mixing up the difference between "going prone" and "falling over" in regards to turnovers? Good job, you fucked up Throw Teammate, a fringe case tool for already disadvantaged teams (and to be fair, that one they copped to and reversed). Forgot to mention that a player can only use team rerolls once per turn? Oops! That was clearly intentional, let's just change a cornerstone of the risk management aspect of the game. I could continue to list more but to repeat the point there just doesn't seem to be any sort of consideration given to the health of the rules or good game feel, relative to the prior editions.

>>96260696
>The sole purpose of 2020 is to invalidate the Living Rule Book 6 which the games creator worked with the community for over 15 years to create FOR FREE with the end goal of making the game as good as possible, whereas 2020 was made for profit with the goal of invalidating prior rules and models for an opportunity to force more profit.

2016 invalidated LRB6 and 2016 was made with Jervis Johnson who left behind multiple notebooks filled with notes about game design regarding blood bowl, specifically league play advancement.

Also LRB6 didn't change and it was not some perfect holy grail game, there are still issues with LRB6.

The core game of blood bowl is perfect but getting everything around the core of blood bowl just right is extremely difficult