Thread 96223654

"Huh, I guess Warcry isn't dead" edition

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Excited about anything? Not just the new warhammer/necromunda stuff coming out but like life in general I guess.

>>96223654 (OP)
Enforcer pattern plasma pistol look kinda nice, gonna wait until someone selling the bits separately. Just got a bunch of Sister inferno pistol bits for pennies, dunno what to do yet.

Also waiting for these Armiger motherfuckers to go plastic, 3 resin armigers the size of your fingernails at 60, bruh what a rip off. Dunno maybe some Saturnite Dread at Epic scale would look kinda cute.

Does anyone know where I could find a pdf of the matched play guide for Middle-earth strategy battle game please?

>>96223654 (OP)
Didnt the guy who made Warcry left GW?
I hope its just rules for all the stuff that doesnt have them (chorfs, wolffucker gits etc).
Im afraid if its a 3rd edition, its gonna be Killteam 2021 all over again

>>96224389
I'm certain that any future warcry editions won't try to be Sigmar Team.

>>96224483
it would absolutely retarded, which is why i wouldnt put it past GW

Always wanted to build a good bloodbowl pitch and a friend gave me his fdm a while ago. Found a great set of stls I plan to get when they go on sale this month.
I'm thinking a 7s pitch set in the ruins of Mordheim, probably the raven barracks.
For the center circle I am trying to figure out what to put. I don't really want the classic BB but rather something that fits the setting so either
>A fish. the cities symbol
>a raven, the raven barracks symbol
>a manticore ala the ostermark flag (Mordheim was the capital of Ostermark before the comet)
>A twin tailed comet

current work on bloodborne warband

>>96225020
Witch hunters?
Whos gonna be your heroes vs henchmen?

Working on fixing Necromunda's melee. PDF can't be uploaded, so separate pages will have to do. Hopefully this proves to be more fun that the original melee rules, especially with paired weapons simply giving a +1A for having 2 weapons instead of doubling attacks.

In Gang Showdown you charge up to Mx2" instead of M+D3", and you can charge from a pinned state but up to M" instead of Mx2".

>>96226196
That's all. If you notice any grammar or style mistakes, please do point them out, as I'm not a native english speaker and might have messed up somewhere.

>>96226189
>>96226191
>>96226195
>>96226196
>>96226204
#4 Make Hit Rolls
--> you need a line at the beginning saying "A fighter may pick which of their weapons to use for each attack roll"

It seems kind of bad to make Initiative pointless.

Crits seem too powerful.

What would you describe the goal of these rules to be? What are specific flaw are they trying to fix with the default rules? Just no more glass cannons?

>>96226495
The goal of the rules is to overhaul weak spots in the original rules to make the game more varied.

Shooting is toned down, melee generally becomes more reliable, so no weird tricks such as tactic cards would be required to make a melee fighter viable. Also a lot of underused stats get buffed, for example LD is used for bottle and WIL is used for a target priority test when shooting.

As for the duel rework, I wanted melee fights to be more tense, as currently if you charge something with a killy enough fighter, they simply never get to make retaliation attacks, making melee very all or nothing. My only fear is that unless you are charging someone from the back or charging a pinned enemy, a melee blender vs a melee blender will result in mutually assured destruction most of the time.

Its not shown in the posted examples, but the initiative test is used to jump over barricades (or get slowed by 2" on Initiative test fail) and to climb up unimpeded (or climb up slowly, counting 2" as 1" on Initiative test fail). Retreating from CC is a simple action and is not reliant on the opponent's Initiative, only your test is made (retreat up to M" or stay in CC and get smacked once on initiative fail).

>>96226574
>My only fear is that unless you are charging someone from the back or charging a pinned enemy, a melee blender vs a melee blender will result in mutually assured destruction most of the time.
That definitely seems like a big downside (and an argument for Initiative playing a bigger role). Maybe the defender should have to pass an Initiative test in order to make their wounds apply simultaneously -- on a fail they only apply if they survive any incoming damage. Or on a fail they cannot resolve any Strikes, only Defends.

Maybe math would disagree with me, but I feel like these rules incentivize the "Beatsticks Only" meta even more. A mid-tier close combat build (like a champ or a ganger with a mundane melee weapon and a cheapish pistol) would get clapped by any beatstick, and might even get one-shotted when charging a lucky mook who happens to crit on their single die. Making those "mid-tier" melee builds worthwhile should be the primary goal of any changes to the system IMO.

>>96226574
>Its not shown in the posted examples, but the initiative test is used to jump over barricades (or get slowed by 2" on Initiative test fail) and to climb up unimpeded (or climb up slowly, counting 2" as 1" on Initiative test fail).
These sound like very cool changes if I'm reading them right, though. Are you saying that on a pass a fighter can skip paying the vertical cost of an obstacle, or climb 1:1 with their movement stat? If so that's a great change, anything that makes the board more traversable is a noble effort.

>>96226679
> Are you saying that on a pass a fighter can skip paying the vertical cost of an obstacle, or climb 1:1 with their movement stat?
You pass through an obstacle as if it was not there.
>Anything that makes the board more traversable is a noble effort.
Jumping down costs no movement (unless you fail Initiative and faceplant), alternatively you can climb down if you want to be safe. Jumping over pits is automatic if the jump is less than 3". If it is 3" or more then you test Initiative, on success you jump over the pit, on fail you still jump over but get pinned and might fall down on Initiative fail.

>A mid-tier close combat build (like a champ or a ganger with a mundane melee weapon and a cheapish pistol) would get clapped by any beatstick, and might even get one-shotted when charging a lucky mook who happens to crit on their single die. Making those "mid-tier" melee builds worthwhile should be the primary goal of any changes to the system IMO.
Since the attacker gets to act first (and strike first), even a juve can be dangerous when charging. Also there is only one reaction per fighter, so a bunch of melee gangers will probably clap one melee champion, since he can only duel once and will have no retaliation against the rest of the enemy. I'm making sure that there are no ways in the rules to react more than once per round. This actually could lead to funny situations where you do not want to duel against a juve, as that juve was a part of the group activation and the enemy champion is charging after the juve. So the juve gets a free shanks in (or the enemy champion charges and breaks your face in).

Also I've made it impossible camping top of the ladders, making the enemy essentially un-chargeable (pic related)

>>96226721
>Also I've made it impossible camping top of the ladders, making the enemy essentially un-chargeable (pic related)
That's good, you should also make it clear that models are allowed to hang halfway up a ladder when ascending, if their movement won't let them get up in one shot.

There's NOTHING worse than an unassailable position and the rules should avoid allowing one to be attained in as many ways as they can.

For me your melee rules are close to good, but if I'm being honest I don't think I'd play them without some sort of concession to high Init being valuable in a fight. That's the core raison d'aitre for that characteristic. Completely disregarding it in favour of Attack stat supremacy strikes me as a fundamental mistake.

>>96226920
Me and my group have playtested that, it was a bit confusing when you had a 10vs10 fight and multiple fighters would start climbing. I think the GW's way is fine here.
I've put recommendation in scenarios which goes something like 'don't be a dick and don't put in spots which would be inaccessable to one of the gangs'. Also if you use spend all of your action points on movement when climbing a ladder, then you ascend on top of a ladder, no matter how tall it is. It is a rare case for a ladder to be that tall though.

I think that the Initiative is valuable for getting the charge connect, as -2" from a failed initiative check could mean the difference between getting to fight or getting shot to pieces 2" away from the enemy shooter.

Another rule that really obviously needs a change is Stray Shots

If the initial target is missed, potential follow-up targets should be hit on a 6, not on a 50/50. It's stupid that the trajectory of a miss becomes a heat-seeking sentient bullet. I've seen people line up a low BS fighter to shoot not at its actual ideal target, but at whatever target would allow their misses the best chance of hitting a consolation target.

>>96226189
These seem horrible. So many fights would just end in trades. A totally anticlimactic outcome for a narrative-heavy game. Whether at the high end between melee blenders or two Juves with rusting knives in an alley.

>>96227000
Alternatively a stray shot only occurs on a natural 1 and can only hit standing friendly fighters, to prevent any sort of abuse. The name implies that it is something unintended - and thus should not be beneficial to you.
>>96227153
> So many fights would just end in trades
Could be. But if all fighters had a max of 3A (so 5A in total, +1 from charging, +1 from 2 weapons), maybe it wouldn't be as bad?
Alternatively, perhaps a crit shouldn't be a +1 wound roll, but rather a bonus AP, +1 to wound roll or something less drastic than an entirely separate wound roll?

>>96226056
yah thinking of witch hunters as template.

heros in white, hench in black. lore is zealot werewolves. believers whove contracted lynchanthropy and want to repent via holy war.

>>96227456
>Alternatively a stray shot only occurs on a natural 1 and can only hit standing friendly fighters, to prevent any sort of abuse. The name implies that it is something unintended - and thus should not be beneficial to you.
Don't really love that, for the same reason I don't love the standard Stray rules. It ALWAYS hitting a friendly is as much a twist of probability as it becoming a guided munition with better aim than the person who fired it.

(I don't mind it only triggering on a 1, but after that it should be fair game to hit anyone in front of it)

Anyone got the rules for House Cawdor for Necromunda? Thank you very much

Made some logos for my teams with Ai
pretty fun

>>96228945
https://litter.catbox.moe/n8ypp0j26n4i3dmq.pdf

>>96229514
Can't be reached bro

>>96229533
https://pdfcoffee.com/necromunda-house-of-faith-pdf-free.html

>>96229396
Not a bad idea.

Is there a gang creator that isn't Yaktribe? Apparently the dude who ran it ghosted

>>96231947
Pen and paper worked.

>>96231961
Can't pen and paper while on the shitter at work

>>96231979
notepad and a calculator.

BBG is dead? Bros, tell me it's still alive please

>>96231947
Long live yaktribe

>>96229396
Milkdrinker had their first games against Blorcs
1-1.
Managed to get 4 double skulls between the two games, all with blockers.
Blacksad is clearly the least lucky lineman, being hospitalized in both games.
Holy shit I forgot how fun bloodbowl is and 7s is a fucking hoot. Its like wearing clownshoes

>>96232032
bloodbowl? we used to have a whole league back in the day

>>96231947
There's Munda Manager

A third option also popped up a couple months ago but I think it's in an earlier stage and not really ready for full use yet

>>96226574
I would keep charges to M+d3" but rather than failing a charge you can keep moving up to 2xM but lose charge bonus and strike at -1 to hit.

Versatile Unwieldy weapons should give -1 to hit to the attacker when defending against a charge as these weapons are almost universally polearms.

Instead of getting a reroll to hit, give weapons with Parry a single bonus die that can only be used to defend.

Another option is instead of the duel rules, make it so the bonus charge attack die gets resolved first, then reaction attacks and norrmal attacks are resolved simultaneously.

>>96232395
>Versatile Unwieldy weapons should give -1 to hit to the attacker when defending against a charge as these weapons are almost universally polearms.
That doesn't make sense, polearms are at their strongest when they're fending off an approaching opponent. It's after the opponent closes that a polearm could struggle.

>>96232795
The first round of attack (charge) the defender is fending off with the polearm. The subsequent rounds is when they struggle.

Anyway, was always strange to me Necromunda doesn't have a WS vs WS table like Mordheim. Make it work like S vs. T and make weapon accuracy modify WS rather than to hit directly (With Parry traits and skills improving WS when defending).

>>96229396
What prompt and what generator?

So which specialist game is getting an update next you think? I'd assume a new big box for Warcry in November but they might surprise us with a new Warhammer Quest or some kind of Legion Imperialis update. Necromunda I think will just get a couple random brute/specialist releases in 2026 and a complete 4th edition overhaul November of 2027.

>>96232878
>a WS vs WS table
They used the 8th edition combat roll, the one that quadruple their profit and turn them into billion dollar Corpo.

>>96232956
Bloodbowl, no team releases since last year or any expansion releases recently, probably means they're gonna release a new edition sometime within the next 6 months

>>96233237
>no team releases since last year or any expansion releases recently, probably means they're gonna release a new edition
Lol, lmao. GW tends to release new shit even a week before a new edition drops.

>>96232956
>Necromunda I think will just get a couple random brute/specialist releases in 2026
There's no reason to think that other than "muh gut"

They keep pumping out extra shit for gangs no one expected

>>96223654 (OP)
Really excited to play some battlefleet next weekend.
I just finished up this large heap of cruisers and krakens to join my mostly scratch built hive fleet(but I just loved how the video game portrays massive claws so couldn’t resist)
Speaking of here’s my list for a planetary assault(lore/fluff reasons behind lone hiveship, outside of this I know I’d never leave home without 2)

Hive ship
Prow pyro acid 45cm
8 launch bays.
Ld9
Imperative

Cruiser:
2 Cruisers with max crushing claws

Escorts:
2 x6 escort drones with pyro acid
4x kraken with claws
2x vanguard drone ships with feeder tentacles.

>>96233596
I also just finished making some sort of low orbit map. An upgrade to the plain black felt I normally mess with. And modular as well!

>>96231947
Mundamanager is good

>>96233607
Are the blobs supposed to be islands with city lights on them? Nice idea, but I doubt I'd like playing on it. Do they have any mechanical effects, or are they just for show? If it's the latter, have you got any terrain suitable for lower orbit (like orbital stations/elevator, defense nets/mines)?

What exactly makes the Phobos Strike Team so good? There has to be something I'm not seeing.

What is the latest supported non-GW Blood Bowl ruleset? If I don't want to stick with GW's rules, is LRB6 the way to go?

>>96232956
Warcry.
They haven't had any releases for ages, have mentioned it a bit recently.

>>96233741
There're /ktg/ for Killteam question.

>>96233737
Nope, it’s way too zoomed out a scale for that, but I do have forts and orbital guns.

What do you use for low orbit maps anon?
It’s going to be setup next to the table, defending player puts continents around as they please.

>>96233737
Oh Continents anon, think way out with the scale.

>>96233742
It's only GW rules anon

>>96233808
No one plays with CRP or LRB6 anymore?

>>96232932
Bing image generator. All of them I used the same basic prompt of
logo for a sports team "{name]", the logo features x y and z, the teams colors A and B,

So is it true Necromunda tried to add vehicles but like og kill teams commander era it flopped and now some gangs have vehicles and others never will?

>>96234979
Vehicle didn't "flop", but it's not exactly popular, mainly because too many ref table drag game out for too long. Vehicles are also really expensive, some campaign has a mix between vehicle/non-vehicle scenario, making fund balancing between vehicle-fighter-repair really annoying, but it was that way because of narrative reason. But houserule is a thing for a reason, if people want to go full wasteland vehicle combat with the rule, it worked.

Due to how Specialist Game productions and funding work (limited and being occupied by bigger game like HH, TOW) it's unlikely that every gang will see an exclusive vehicle, But common and custom vehicles exist. Most gang only have 1 exclusive vehicle/mount, Squat has 2. Due to how slow the release cycle is, most people wouldn't want to see a vehicle release either, that could have been fighter/weapon instead.

>>96231984
Can't bring that to the shitter either

>>96234898
Thanks. I went with Perchance and it does the trick.

>>96235405
Do you own a slanesh themed bb team?
Link to stls?

>>96235409
Nah, I am done with printing for a long time now. I bought a GW's Chaos Chosen team box some time ago and I finally sat down to mix them with spare Slaanesh bits.

>>96232956
My guess is a new Battlefleet Gothic some time in the next few years, a new Mordheim announcement by next year and a new Space Hulk with repackaged Into the Dark terrain by 2027.

>>96234114
Honestly LRB6 was ROUGH
it made bashy teams a nightmare to deal with, just play bb2 and all the russians with chaos teams.

The new rules did something I actually liked to house rule by making piling on count as a foul. Just like how in real football you can get ejected for unnecessary roughness

>>96231979
bro doesn't know what a clipboard is

>>96235731
>BFG ruined
>Mordheim ruined
At least we'll still have Warmaster and Man o' War, r-right?

>>96235787
I haven't played since BB2016 but I want to jump back. The problem is there is so much extra shit and DLCs released for BB2020 I don't even want to touch it. Is the game any decent if I want to play with a core book only plus the new teams? I simply don't want to deal with even more random tables, cards, star players etc. I want to simply play one-shot matches with my gf whenever we have a free evening and run a simple league once in a while.

>>96235841
Believe me its not that different at all. All the tweaks are minor

>>96232285
>homemade pitch
Holy SOVL batman

>>96234114
If they do it's small niche groups. The current GW bloodbowl has some good fixes.

If you want to play LRB6 then hop on BB2

>>96235841
Bro are you retarded? If you google "blood bowl rules" all the new rules pop up for free on .ru sites.

>>96235841
>with gf
Just play the 2016/lrb6 rules then

>>96235787
>videogame problems
Yeah that was never an issue IRL only online where 200 matches a month was possible.

>>96237089
>all the new rules pop up for free
At what point have I said that the price or availability is the problem?

>>96237187
>The problem is there is so much extra shit and DLCs released for BB2020 I don't even want to touch it.

The only reason to complain about DLCs and extra shit is price

>>96234979
Not really?

There was one gang that didn't get a vehicle kit (Delaque), and it was a surprise to everyone. Because they're one of the main six house gangs, and yet unique vehicles were made for Enforcers and Squats (which are 2nd tier expansion gangs). Nomads are another "expansion" tier gang that got a vehicle, but that was expected because they're the face of the Wastes expansion.

It feels like the lack of a Delaque kit might have been something going wrong behind the scenes, like whatever happened with Cursed City or the unreleased AoS incarnate

There are some stupid people who will split hairs and claim mounts =/= vehicles, and therefore more than just Delaque were denied, but that is a flunkie argument. We're talking resources, plastic kits, and a kit that makes mounts is equivalent to a kit that makes what the rules define as a vehicle, because both are Ash Wastes Things.

What's the next super meta speed card coming out?

>>96237232
No? Perhaps tourists and newfags require constant flow of new content but after years of dealing with GW games I learnt that 90% of this shit is pure bloat but GW tends to be so greedy they turn this bloat into obligatory content. If your zoom-zoom level of attention spam allowed you to read the whole post you would know that
>I simply don't want to deal with even more random tables, cards, star players etc. I want to simply play one-shot matches with my gf whenever we have a free evening and run a simple league once in a while.
This is exactly why I asked how playable is the game with core rules only.

>>96237232
>The only reason for not consuming is price
Grim.

>>96237364
>>96237376
>hates gw
>still plays gw games

just go play some other game you fag
you are the type of guy to be playing a game and interrupt your opponent to tell them how evil gw is

>>96237364
>casual game with a single, captive opponent doesn't want to see new content for games

Crazy, man. That's so cool, man.

>>96237364
Just play Blitz Bowl which is the fast, normie friendly version of Blood Bowl you want. Obviously you can't handle the full game so do that.

>>96237415
>Like the game
>Doesn't like how it is being handled
Blows your mind eh?
>>96238421
>you can't handle the full game
I was regularly playing BB2016 which I mentioned in my first post as well. It is crazy how the concept of not chasing every single snippet of new content is apparently mind-breaking for drones here.

>>96238991
I thought the same way about the new teams until I saw the gnomes. I loved them
I don't really use the new pitches or fancy new stars though

>>96238996
This is my point exactly. When playing BB2016 I knew that I can stick with either core rules or LRB only and add new Teams if I want to. With BB2020 I have no idea nor I have time to actually compare all the differences, check all the DLCs and estimate if they are any necessary.
My experience with Adeptus Titanicus is the game should NOT be played without the expansion books since only then it can be considered a complete game no matter how good the core rules are. Warcry on the other hand was the most enjoyable for me when limited to the core content only.
When has /gwsg/ turned into fucking /ktg/ where questioning a need to follow every DLC GW is shitting out during their lunch break is considered a crime?

>>96239013
ok all the resources are free and there were some teams that were updated in death zone but all their rules are up to date on the bloodbowl base website.
I can promise you almost nothing is mandatory

>>96239013
When retards like you drove everyone away to discords and other websites

>>96238991
>>>96237415 (You)
>>Like the game
>>Doesn't like how it is being handled
>Blows your mind eh?

you self reported that you dont even play the game
so you dont know how its handled at all

youre mad about some other shit gw did and you act like theyre a fucking cancer ruining every game

ill give you a clue why you dont have any friends to play with its because youre an asshole who is severely autistic and cannot communicate properly

instead of coming in here and crying about dlc bloat and how shitty gw is you could have just asked what you meant

>hey guys ive played a bunch of lrb6 and i want to play some more bloodbowl with my gf
>is bb2020 an improvement?
>there was a lot of outcry when it first released and there is a ton of extra rules added on so im not sure where to begin or if we should just stick with lrb6

instead you changed the whole thread into everyone calling you a retard and you calling everyone else a drone

you are why tg is shit

Looking to start playing the new edition of mesbg now that armies have released. Are the PDFs for the new books online anywhere?

Also any advice for a lifelong Rohan player? I've heard they struggle this edition

>>96236486
Yeah I was super stoked when I saw it. Dude I played with was super chill.
game is such a blast

>>96235464
Is there some decent how brew rules floating round for the deamon teams?

>>96235841
The core rule book is fine, the other extra shit is all optional and is mostly just extra team specific inducements, team specific rules for home games like weather tables that reflect a teams homeland, and most of those cards are just limited time shit that most people don't even have, core rule book is fine

>>96229396
I used an image generator the other day to mash up some player pics for my vampires team, mixed results

https://perchance.org/ai-character-generator

>>96235731
I don’t think BFGs ever coming back at this rate

>>96240841
As a Rohan player myself the main Rohan thing is still applicable. Ignore foot soldiers and get as many riders as humanly possible. The army list for Theoden's army and Eomer are pretty nice. I have absolutely no idea about the armies based on the anime movie because to me, that abomination doesn't even exist, so...

Okay, so we decided to get back into Underworlds again. We stopped playing when they decided seasons were a thing, realized some decks were going obsolete and decided to give GW the middle finger. What would be necessary to play again? Just want to confirm our best option here:

>new edition's box for the new board and decks
>sell miniatures because we have a metric ton of warbands already
>use money to get rest of the decks

>>96242356
You mean fumbbl secret leagues?
https://fumbbl.com/help:SecretLeague2020

>>96243152
depends who "we" is, if you already have the stuff you could just play with your old stuff`

>>96243152
All cards from old edition are obsolete because the the new format use the waband mechanic + universal deck(which each has its own mechanic). And only a handful of old warband get the "waband mechanic" in new edition, the rest had to use the "universal mechanic", so all your models might not be playable at all.

The GW route is to buy Embergard and get 4 decks to play with, also board, dice and token.

The non-GW route is to print your own shit and sleeve it.

GW decks are very expensive, almost as expensive as the warband. I'm not recommend this.

Upcoming expansion only come with 2 decks, probably not much cheaper than Embergard, but maybe. who know.

I see the version of bloodbowl from years ago new on ebay for like £50 but I also see new versions from 20 years ago, multiple editions, for £50 as well. Which should I get to play with my 8 year old nephew/ in general too

>>96244038
>new versions from 20 years ago
Wut?

Getting into Middle Earth and where I should start
Do people do allied armies still?
What's the best way to start collecting?

>>96244624
Allied armies in the old sense aren't a thing anymore. Armies are built to specific theme lists rather than just a faction, but some of those theme lists include stuff from multiple factions (for example the Defense of Helm's Deep list includes the Three Hunters, Rohan stuff, and Lothlorien stuff).

>>96244719
What's a good place to get started?
I like rohan, the like two ent models and undead warriors

Wondering about a colour scheme for my Horns Of Hashut.
Thinking copper armour, black and red trim.

>>96245048
The current Rohan vs. Dunland starter box is a very good deal and includes some starter terrain if you like Rohan.
The undead are pretty beginner friendly and chaep to build, just grab one box of the warriors, the King (use the two heralds he comes with as regular warriors with banner, never as actual Heralds), and one of the many Aragorn models and you've got a full army that scales up pretty well across multiple point levels.
The Pelennor Fields list also lets you combine both Army of the Dead and Rohan together, so there's that if you want variety in your painting rather than committing to one or the other.

>>96245232 (me)
I guess to expand on Rohan a bit, the new listbuilding rules don't let you mix and match heroes as much as you used to be able to so you'll need to commit to either War of the Ring era or War of the Rohirrim era, though the warriors are the same either way.
There's like half a dozen different Rohan army lists now but most of them boil down to either Theoden + a bunch of riders or Eomer + a bunch of riders with slight variation in the couple of exta models you add to that (Gandalf vs. Wildmen of Druadan vs. Swan Knights etc. etc.)

>>96243152
https://www.underworldsdb.com/warbands.php here's all the fight and army cards. Pick up the starter set and edge of the knife deck, the other 3 kind of suck so pick them up on sale if you want.

I'm noticing that posts whining about a game get more attention that posts about playing the actual games.
This is like /tg/ in a nutshell and we need a name for it. Like "No games" and "tourists" sorta it it but not exactly

>>96245509
Social media works off the same algorithm as it gets more engagement.

I wish it was a /tg/ thing but it's a world thing.
It shouldn't be like Reddit's ridiculous hugbox, but a little bit more positivity and constructive criticism would go a long way

>>96242593
It will once GW decides they need a new tie in game for The Scouring novel series.

>>96235817
AoS: Master of War, coming soon

>>96245509
The term is long established: bittervet

When you write up about your gang, how many pages do you normally write?

>>96245509

I started that "post a pic of the last game you played" thread to try to turn that vibe around. Currently sitting at 6 replies, while retarded threads about whether or not chick's like 40k are going strong.

>>96246499
omg why have you brought this cursedness into the world

they'll take another game and make it "imperial fag armies only"

i'll sword spree nottingham

>>96244038
If it's 2016 with humans and orcs that's a good kit

>>96245148
Sounds good

>>96245509
welcome to tg you must be new
enjoy collecting your (you)s for whining

Helm Hammerhand in plastic.

seems every Specialist game has moved onto these 48-page splats now.
The Helm plastic models look nice enough
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/k7ges93g/middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game-king-helm-and-the-first-middle-earth-journal/

>>96247505
The price for the 48 page books are always too fucking high

>>96247499
The fuck is that Sauron sized sledgehammer?

>>96247499
Lol, lmao even.

>>96247560
Ah yes, the superior option

You know anons, I'm feeling the urge to play an all Kurnothi warband in Warcry. Gotta give my Wood Elves some love!

>>96249245
Daemon elves (gorgeous models)

>>96247499
*Crow voice*
Santa! Be reasonable!

>>96249245
Warcry is as good as dead anon

>>96250124
Have they already come to your house and took those books?

>>96250124
>I only play games that get constant releases, I need to be fed ceaselessly and be given the ability to consume or I think a game is dead
>What do you mean I can still play an unsupported game? The instant releases dry up you've got to burn all your rule books remember?!

Back in the corner, retard.

>>96250124
You realized half the games in these threads were abandoned by gw.
Then the rules become free and the good games (blood bowl, mordheim for example) live on from the fans
GW hasn't touched mordheim in years and mordheim players are plenty happy about that hoping they never do

>>96229396
>ai sodomy

fool

>>96250403
Warcry being dead is one of the best things that could happen to it. Unlike other "dead" games the learning curve for the games isn’t huge and you can easily teach someone how to play in an afternoon. It won't suffer some nearly the same barrier of entry as something like Mordheim.

>>96252069
I would not call Mordheim hard to enter into.
Hell the hardest part is making/building a board

>>96252298
You're probably right, I've only glanced at the rules and it seemed like a bunch of tables and stuff to account for. I'm probably just retarded tho.

>>96250403
All 2 mordheim players in this thread are thrilled

>>96253461
Yeah because the dozen of my friends who play it at my lgs don't post. They actually play

>>96252069
It's funny, a Warcry scene barely existed, now it's exploded with Warcry being dead, regular big events, weekly games.

>>96254290
The game was slowly gaining traction on Reddit but probably not enough for GWs taste.

>>96254440
Giving that some recent Spearhead have Warcry warband in it, it's pretty much becoming the sidegame when people are done with Spearhead.

>>96229396
Last of the 4 teams, this one is a chaos team for a friend who likes beastmen:
The hellfire lambs 4 linemen, 2 chaos warriors (white fur) and a minotaur
My cats are going to dread facing them

Since the topic is Warcry:

This german online store sells some warcry product for 50% discount right now, probably to get rid of overstock:

https://www.radaddel.de/warcry-briar-and-bone-englisch

https://www.radaddel.de/warcry-teratic-cohort

And some more, also some HH and AoS sets as well.

>>96254440
Reddit has no bearing on real life.
I know my story is anecdotal so certainly there's places it's never been played

>>96255542
Those Warcry discount are great, i would get it for the murder tree alone, but unfortunately i'm not in europe.

>>96253530
Post models

Does anyone have the White Dwarf hash? I wanted to grab some old LOTR rules

what are some tips if i'm running mercs in mordheim? even with a ton of bodies my guys get wrecked by guys with more elite heroes or even warbands that can bring even more guys.

>>96255570
I know it just seemed like every other day someone would make a thread asking what they needed to start playing. To the point that you'd think a large number of people were entering the game. I know it's not indicative of the whole but it looked like a good sign for the game.

>>96256625
Last game from their Bordertown Burning Campagin
You would have to be retarded to think no one plays mordheim

What would be a good naming theme for a gnoblar themed snotling themed (thinking yehtis for trolls and maybe a rhino for the pumpwagon)
"The Pigbarter Bozos"?
"The Cleavedland Browns" (Irl Cleveland Browns are hands down the worst team in the nfl)

>>96258758
Old World Avalanches?
Marienburg Wilds?

Badland Rampage

>>96258758
The Scrap Tower Tycoons

>>96258758
The Cheeseland Browns are for Skaven

For a gnoblar team that's got rhinos you should go african imo like Grassland

My LGS is starting with Blood bowl!
Could someone please tell me the general gamestyle of those three teams:
Skavenblight Scramblers
Orc Gouged Eye
Chaos dwarfs
Also for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB

>>96259996
>Also for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB
It's literally the most popular edition of BB of all time with more recorded games than ever before

>Skaven
Great team with very clear positionals
gutter runners are your ball carriers and they're a nightmare for opponents to deal with, low strength means they're terrible at punching other players
Blitzers are your heavy hitters, they have good armour for rats
Throwers can pick up the ball and aren't half bad at throwing it to gutter runners
Linerats are very fragile but very cheap
Rat Ogre is great but can be tricky to use, he will kill your own rats and kill himself with frenzy
ReRolls are cheap

>Orcs
Great team, four black orcs, four blitzers, the thrower is not necessary, the troll is a good roadblock but not necessary
This is an "all-rounder" team which leans more into bashing than passing. Don't try and pass, instead run the ball and maybe try a handoff if you need to.

>Chaos Dwarfs
Strange since the rework, for some reason they got nerfed. You get some strange chorf positionals and your linemen are very fragile.
The team is all about the bull centaurs

Your primary plan is to bash bash bash, it's a balancing act between using your good chorfs to bully the other team while protecting your hobgobs and knowing when the hobgobs are expendable will be tough to balance

>>96259996
https://fumbbl.com/help:BB20RaceStrategy

Starting TV1000 rosters are here too under each race

>>96259996
>for some reason the old guards are hating this edition of BB
Because it is not playtested, it is changed every few months with new rosters and stars, a large number of rosters and every star have unique one-off rules and the games creator had nothing to do with this edition.
The sole purpose of 2020 is to invalidate the Living Rule Book 6 which the games creator worked with the community for over 15 years to create FOR FREE with the end goal of making the game as good as possible, whereas 2020 was made for profit with the goal of invalidating prior rules and models for an opportunity to force more profit.

>>96259996
>Rats
They are fast, and flexible. They generally favor ball play thanks to having the best running position in the game (gutter runners), but are overall cheap and have just enough muscle to play rough and dirty against the right opponents. They can be both forgiving for new coaches by way of pretty much never being out of reach of scoring so long as there's 2 runners on the field, while also incredibly unforgiving when your entire team gets their face punched in. If your mode of thought going into this game is that the way to play the game is to punch your way through the opponent, maybe leave this team to explore later.

>Orcs
Fundamental, and forgiving. The quintessential newbie team. You don't need to think hard about whether or not you stand up your orcs every turn whether they're next to an already standing opponent or not, because the answer is usually "yes". You have an advantage in strength, armor, and are average in your starting skills and don't lack the essentials (block on several players, sure hands and pass on your thrower). And while you are slightly slower than most teams, it's not so bad as to harshly punish you for not understanding managing distance to end zone vs. turns remaining in a half.

>Chorfs
A punchy and dirty playing team, but a more finessed one. Not recommended for beginners, at given their recent nerfs I'd even say intermediate coaches should think hard about giving them a try. They are like a mix of Orcs and Skaven - cheap players for fouling and getting in the way, a core of tough, reliable hitting players, and a couple standout players ready to be turned into stars (bull centaurs).

For a new coach, I'd rank them 1. Orcs 2. Skaven 3. Chaos Dwarfs. Other teams which are friendly for new coaches are Undead, Humans, and Lizardmen with the caveat that they tend to teach bad habits for new coaches because of how skewed their stats are.

Anyone happen to have a decent bloodbowl pitch stl lying around? Trying to break in my new 3d printer

>>96259996
You can mostly ignore everything that >>96260696
is saying.
BB2020 made a lot of welcome changes. I didn't love the addition the passing stat but I've come to accept it now. BB2020's real sin is completely changing how the post game skill up system works. The new system is demonstrably lamer and does not lend itself to the creation of fun or memorable teams as much as it does to the creation of efficient/cookie-cutter type teams. You'll almost never, for example, roll a +AGI on an orc blitzer or thrower which then opens up a new way to attack on the pitch that your opponent may not expect or has to prepare for. Not under BB2020 at any rate. So that takes some of the fun out of what's still a very enjoyable game.

>>96262830
I think the passing stat is good in general, they just nerfed the average passing too much. Some people being good at dodging but bad at passing or the other way around helps make the teams feel a bit more distinct. Most elves being effectively unable to even attempt a pass is bad though. Throwing the ball wherever on a 1 doesnt help either.

>>96262830
I've played plenty of BB2020 and still actively participate in the biggest league in my area, I still think there's more problems.

My main problems with the edition, as the other anon pointed out, is that the edition seems to have been written on a first pass only, no editing and certainly no playtesting. For a start, wildly inaccurate, as it is, is a stupid fucking rule for an edition which seemed to want to encourage pass play. Second, those responsible for writing the first pass on much of the new skill wording (vs how the same skills had been written) I hope have been sacked and the interns responsible for interpreting those poorly written rules dismissed. The number of times rules have altered dramatically from the prior edition because those wordings could be interpreted a couple different ways, and then the FAQs doubled down on the worst possible option, is embarrassing. Skills and traits not having any effect when a player has no tackle zones? Morons! Your problem was with the wording on the Hypnotic Gaze skill, and could have been addressed there, but now we have over a dozen individual skill and trait FAQs clarifying that they still work when a player doesn't have tackle zones. And hilariously, over a year after laboriously adding those FAQs... they missed it again on the Iron Hard Skin rework, and had to FAQ it too. Mixing up the difference between "going prone" and "falling over" in regards to turnovers? Good job, you fucked up Throw Teammate, a fringe case tool for already disadvantaged teams (and to be fair, that one they copped to and reversed). Forgot to mention that a player can only use team rerolls once per turn? Oops! That was clearly intentional, let's just change a cornerstone of the risk management aspect of the game. I could continue to list more but to repeat the point there just doesn't seem to be any sort of consideration given to the health of the rules or good game feel, relative to the prior editions.

>>96260696
>The sole purpose of 2020 is to invalidate the Living Rule Book 6 which the games creator worked with the community for over 15 years to create FOR FREE with the end goal of making the game as good as possible, whereas 2020 was made for profit with the goal of invalidating prior rules and models for an opportunity to force more profit.

2016 invalidated LRB6 and 2016 was made with Jervis Johnson who left behind multiple notebooks filled with notes about game design regarding blood bowl, specifically league play advancement.

Also LRB6 didn't change and it was not some perfect holy grail game, there are still issues with LRB6.

The core game of blood bowl is perfect but getting everything around the core of blood bowl just right is extremely difficult

>>96263769
2016 did not invalidate LRB6, it was almost identical, you have to go over it with a comb and magnifying glass to spot tge vanishingly subtle changes.
That's why they did 2020, too much freedom to go back to free stable meta.

Hello, I have been reading into van saar, and I was wondering why don't they have terminator armor, it seems like the votann devolped terminator armor from their STC and the Van Saar use hazard suits

>>96265302
It's my understanding that not all STCs carry the same information, some are only for certain patterns of construction like a vibrating blade for Space Marines, or a Leman Russ pattern tank for the Guard. The Van Saar STC clearly houses highly potential technology, but it's limited in its own way.

>>96265462
for sure, but they litterally have hazard suits and powered exoskeletons, it seems kind of weird they never got the suit terminator armor is based off of

>>96265476
Eh, I think it's fine that they don't have it. They're already bullshit overpowered in the lore and only really have to figure out their radiation sickness problem. Giving them Terminator plate would be a bit much.

>>96265865
>>96265476
Also, considering they have the Armoured Bodyglove as standard, and can get Carapace, Servo Harnesses and Field Armour as part of their gang list, they do sorta have the components to make Terminator Armour piecemeal. It'd be kitbashed to hell and back, but they'd have it.

>>96235405
I gave it a shot for some of my teams, the vampires logo came out great and I have over a dozen variations to decide over, but am currently having a real hard time getting it to do the chorfs with a name that can actually be read.

>>96265476
>it seems kind of weird they never got the suit terminator armor is based off of
Terminator armor "base" is Power armor, not the mining suit. If your idea of a terminator suit is armor with slap on protection those extra protection already existed.

>>96268181
Honestly gen with the chat GPT model and just add the text after yourself

>>96268365
I thought there was a hazard suit terminator armor was based off of that was a seperate suit from powered armor

>>96268181
It's weird how much difficulty AI has with generating written words

>>96267387
There's more to Terminator plate than "muh stronk armour" anon

>>96271061
Name three things.

>>96272921
Hairbrush, apple, prybar.

>>96265302
The Van Saar STC has a mind of its own and restricts what patterns it's willing to dispense for the Van Saar based on various circumstances, including threat levels. Van Saar is still trying to decipher why it's not giving them everything (the answer is because it wants them strong enough to protect it, but not so rich with knowledge and tech that they don't need it anymore).

>>96265302
Also, one more thing, even if the STC gave them a Terminator armor pattern, they likely don't have access to the raw materials needed. Ceramite and adamantine alloys don't grow on trees, not even the nobility of Necromunda can get that stuff easily. Even if Van Saar did have the blueprints, manufacturing it would be a logistical nightmare and raise all sorts of questions. People would immediately be asking how and why Van Saar is requisitioning massive shipments of ceramite and, even more importantly, why its elite soldiers are now marching around in Terminator armor that looks like it just came right off the factory floor, rather than being a relic thousands of years old like nearly all Termie suits are these days.

>>96272921
The sensor suite, the crux terminatus and the black carapace interface ports.

>>96273069
>The sensor suite
Auspexes aren't anything special
>the crux terminatus
Is just a fancy ornament slapped onto a shoulder plate
>the black carapace interface ports.
Human terminator suits don't incorporate such features.
The part of a terminator suit that is the hardest to create is, in fact, the armor plating itself. Everything else isn't advanced technology.

>>96273109
An auspex, a photo-visor and a data cable could replicate what the Terminator armour can do in terms of sensors, as well. Also, I'd imagine that there's something in the Van Saar STC that's got tech interfaces for a Servo Harness to cybernetics, considering all of their Cyberteknika.

All in all, Van Saar do have Terminator armour. Just, y'know. In pieces.

>>96273109
>Auspexes
It's more than just an auspex anon
>just a fancy ornament
Literally not true
>Human terminator suits
NOT CANON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>96273109
Your idea of a "Terminator suit" is just "thick armor with some shits". Those already existed in the game, you just use a heavy Carapace armor with a servo harness and stack a bunch of armor on top. Combining a bunch of things into one is not easy in 40k, there're a reason why it took a long time to go from Combi Bolter into Storm Bolter and non of the houses can produce one. Almost everyone can make a meltagun, but none of them can produce inferno pistol, or the digi-melta. If slapping shit flashgitz style so easy everyone would be running com-quad weapon, not combi.

Terminator suit also have a life-support system, Van Saar couldn't produce an auspex in the game, they can made a poor man version of it : the aurgurspex, while the rest use an even poorer version of it : the bio scanner.

Terminator also used specific terminator intergraded weapon if they want to use all of the armor system like aiming. The armor also need to construction of the Teleportarium to offset its crippling weakness.

The only one who can possibly build or own a suit of Terminator armor is Helmawr. The Orrus suit has some similarity to Votann Einhyr Champion suit, on the front. Imperial Terminator suit is generally a terrible idea in Necromunda compared to Spyrer rig, movement is king, and they didn't need an entourage of supporting personas camping at the teleportarium like the Termie.

>>96273598
>Your idea of a "Terminator suit" is just "thick armor with some shits".
Because that's pretty much what it is, in a nutshell. Super-heavy armor. All the other features integrated into it are things you can find in far lower-tech armor and hazard suits.
> Combining a bunch of things into one is not easy in 40k
The STC has the blueprints for such suits already. It's not a question of 'can Van Saar figure out how to build Terminator suits,' it's "will the STC decide to share terminator suit blueprints with them?"
>Terminator suit also have a life-support system
Life support is nothing advanced. Hazard suits already handle most life support features.
>Van Saar couldn't produce an auspex in the game, they can made a poor man version of it : the aurgurspex
Augurspexes are heavy-duty handheld auspexes. They're similar to the hand-held auspexes used by the Imperial Guard or by other gangs on Necromunda, but with more powerful sensor antennae, wielded by augurtek specialists for the descent into Hive Secundus. Secundus is a place where normal auspexes and scanners are too weak and get disabled by interference from the radiation, gravimetric flux, and the Vortex temporal storm. Like most Van Saar tech, it's a step above what most of the Imperium has access to.
>Terminator also used specific terminator intergraded weapon if they want to use all of the armor system like aiming.
You are referring to the autosense targeting, as well as the integrated suspensors for wielding heavy weapons one-handed. Suspensors are ordinary weapon mods on Necromunda, and Van Saar often utilizes high-tech targeters on their weapons as well.
>The only one who can possibly build or own a suit of Terminator armor is Helmawr.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Van Saar has been building tech lost to the entire Imperium. There's only a few obstacles in their way of Terminator armor.

>>96273707
We get it, you think Van Saar are the coolest and they all have huge dicks and fuck all the hottest women.

>>96273707
>Augurspexes are heavy-duty handheld auspexes
And the one in the suit isn't held by any hand. It's not a heavy-duty, it's a shit version of the auspex, because there're actually one in Necromunda, used by Urson Grimjarl, with double detection range.

>You are referring to the autosense targeting
I'm referring to the fact that Terminator used Terminator weapons, and require a bunch of Techpriest to link the weapon to the suit before they can use it, if they pick up a non-link weapon the suit system won't work. The suits does not come with weapons stick on it, they need to have the blueprint for it.

>Because that's pretty much what it is, in a nutshell.

Then you can already make one in the game, Why even ask for terminator? Buy a heavy carapace, buy a servo harness, undersuit, Ablative overlay, hold an augurspex in one hand, heavy gun with suspensor on the other hands, and then bring a backpack full of food, and diaper.

Stop arguing about blood bowl. The game is good.

>>96274228
This.
I am fucking HYPE to play 7s again tomorrow

>>96274322
Very cool, what team are you playing as and what team are you playing against?

>>96275198
Same team I played last week, my dark elves, the mordheim milkdrinkers. I also have a chaos team for a friend who is still recovering from surgery so I might play that.
My opponent is the same guy I played last week who made his own 7s pitch. He had orcs, blorcs and undead. And a new kid wants to learn the game so I am gonna loan him my humans or orcs for the day

>>96275445
Some fun teams for sure! I'm probably going to play my skaven next week, not sure what the other guy is bringing

>>96275477
Hell yeah take pics when you do

>>96275488
I also ordered a gutterbowl pitch from the town over, so I'll have to go pick it up sometime soon

>>96275501
Small world I'm printing a 7 pitch right now

So speaking of rating Blood Bowl teams, my uncle left me his Blood Bowl stuff before moving, how are Wood Elves, High Elves, Dwarfs, Humans and Trolls?

And how is Blood Bowl? A good game?

>>96275526
I don't know, printing a pitch just seems like a waste of filament, I've made a few pitches and it's a lot more cost effective at that size to go traditional crafting.

>>96279442
I respect it but the mess of making a board and the pain of getting all the supplies annoys me. I did make my own mordheim board back in the day and it was fun

Is anyone able to toss me a PDF of the Beastgrave rulebook for Warhammer Underworlds?

>>96235405
Tried this for my necromunda gang.

>local store posts pictures of the MESBG event they hosted today
>like 80% of the tables are just 40k mats and 40k gothic ruins terrain
what part of the middle earth canon is this bros?

>>96281070
Nice. Might do the same

>>96281814
It's very easy to get carried away.
I've got 65 I saved for the gang

7s night.
Taught a kid how to play
He managed to toss a goblin holding the ball, it landed and scored
Shit was magical

>>96281901
Oh no.

>>96281901
Print them on decal paper and put them on terrain.

>>96281122
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Start making cheap cobblestone buildings and making awesome MESBG tables for your local play group

>>96282419
Hooked for life

>>96282613
That was already my intent, but I can just print them on normal paper to make mini posters too.
I figure an underhive gang isn't going to be contracting professional printing services, so the gangs logo will be different every time it is spray painted on to a wall or whatever, so the excuse for having now 135 versions is that the gang has a few very talented graffiti artists.

>>96284357
Another example.

Hi there, I'm looking for the Warhammer Boarding Actions rulebook pdf

Any help would be greatly appreciated as the obvious places to look come up empty

>>96284378
This is great. You should get some decal paper and put it onto your gang turf.

>>96284389
The obvious place has plenty of uploads for both the main book as well as the compendium.

>>96284389
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k10ed/the-rules/boarding-action-rules/#Books

There're boarding action rule for all the factions too.

>>96284463
Unless you're talking about warhammer-community, I'm not sure what you're talking about

Wahapedia is also kind of a last ditch for me as I'm looking for a pdf of that large rulebook thingy being sold

>>96284637
i am talking about the obvious place to look for pirated pdf files. Apparently you are talking about some other places, since you could not find the books. Lurk more, and you will find them too.

>>96284723
Well it appears where you found two versions of what I'm looking for is someplace I haven't had the pleasure of using before

I get not spelling out the full URL but at least a few pointers of where to look would be nice and I'd be pretty thankful

>>96273833
fuck off if you aren't interested in talking about Necromunda retard
>>96273866
>And the one in the suit isn't held by any hand. It's not a heavy-duty, it's a shit version of the auspex, because there're actually one in Necromunda, used by Urson Grimjarl, with double detection range.
You realize Urson Grimjarl is a Squat, right? You know Squats have DAoT+ tech, right? You're trying to use a non-Imperial as proof of Imperial tech being better? You really must be mentally disabled.
>I'm referring to the fact that Terminator used Terminator weapons, and require a bunch of Techpriest to link the weapon to the suit before they can use it, if they pick up a non-link weapon the suit system won't work. The suits does not come with weapons stick on it, they need to have the blueprint for it.
There's nothing special or magical about armor-linked weapons. Come on, you're just grasping at straws now.
>Then you can already make one in the game, Why even ask for terminator?
This isn't an argument about 'they should add it to the game,' this was a question of whether Van Saar could create Terminator suits, and the answer was given several posts ago: yes, if the STC provides the blueprints for it. I'm sorry that this absolutely anal-devastated you as the pathetic little Imperial fagboy you are, but facts are facts. If you don't like it, fuck off out of the thread, because it's very obvious you don't even read the Necromunda books let alone play it.

>>96285065
>this was a question of whether Van Saar could create Terminator suits, and the answer was given several posts ago: yes,

No they can't, everything you said is your own head cannon, the fact is they can't even make the smaller, simpler component in the suit properly, they can't even make a power armour. There're nothing to prove that they can. The only one proven that can come up with one is Helmawr.

>>96285096
>yes, if the STC provides the blueprints for it.
I'm just gonna copy and paste this over and over until you shut up and fuck off out of this thread forever.

>>96285117
>Source, my bum.

Any BFG players here see anything wrong with this list for a wee 1,500 point all newbies who've never played before tourney we're having tomorrow?

Imperial Navy - Gothic Sector - [1500 pts]

# ++ Gothic Sector Fleet List, Segmentum Obscurus ++ [1500 pts]
## Fleet Commander [50 pts]
Fleet Commander [50 pts]:
• 1x Fleet Admiral Ldr 8 [50 pts]

## Escort [160 pts]
Escort Squadron [90 pts]:
• 3x Cobra Destroyer [30 pts]
Escort Squadron [70 pts]:
• 2x Sword Frigate [35 pts]

## Cruiser [820 pts]
Dictator Class Cruiser [220 pts]: Fury Fighters, Starhawk Bombers & Shark Assault Craft
Dictator Class Cruiser [220 pts]: Fury Fighters, Starhawk Bombers & Shark Assault Craft
Dominator Class Cruiser [190 pts]: Standard
Dominator Class Cruiser [190 pts]: Standard

## Battlecruiser [470 pts]
Overlord Class Battlecruiser [235 pts]: Improved Targeting Matrix, Standard
Overlord Class Battlecruiser [235 pts]: Improved Targeting Matrix, Standard

I dont really have a clue what I'm doing and whats good or not.

>>96285065
I'm plenty interested in talking Necromunda, I'm not at all interested in you trying to suggest that the Van Saar have Terminator plate just because they can couple together some vaguely related parts.

>>96285065
>this was a question of whether Van Saar could create Terminator suits, and the answer was given several posts ago: yes, if the STC provides the blueprints for it.
>>96285117

NTA but its database is fragmentary and damaged, which is also why its shitting radiation everywhere. You ask it for a terminator suit and it will probably give you something looking like an Orrus Spyrer kit that also happens to have radiation guns, also you need to cut off your forearms and lower legs to put it on.

>>96284723
Why are dickheads on this board always so evasive about saying where shit is located? Give the guy a fucking hint at least

>>96286019
>Muh seekrit klub
A tale as old as time.

>>96286019
Because faggots like you report upload troves when someone doesn't spoon feed you

They used to be in every OP but you retards ruined everyone's fun

>>96285065
No because the van saar STC isn't advanced enough to contain the data for Terminator Armour. Most STCs only contain junk blueprints, not the super high end stuff

>>96287142
That and a lack of resources in necromunda
and game balance

>>96287785
They could make it work. It could be a very unsophisticated version.
Pros
2+ armour
Inbuilt suspensors
Cons
Move reduced by 2 (to a minimum of 3)
Initiative reduced to a flat 6+

any source for 6mm chaos dwarfs that aren't stl's or etsy shops?

>>96287099
Tranny jannies ruined it you retard

>>96288884
Just use a time machine to go back to the mid 90s

>tempted to pick up swanky new Prince Imrahil model
>only thing to accompany him are some ancient Dol Amroth knights

>>96286019
Because James Workshop is all over these boards and DCMA's any obvious links fast.
Anyway, both of those you can just fucking google lol, I had them both within 30 seconds of seeing if they were available.

>>96288884
Here you go friend https://www.microworldgames.com/collections/6mm-fantasy/DarkAlliance

>>96288692
Fuck that, ablative amour is fucking cancer enough, what Necromunda doesnt need is more straight armour upgrades that you can buy with credits, we don't need (or even want in my case) people running around with gangs of MEQ+ saves.

>>96288692
This is a good way to self report that you do not play necromunda

>>96289385
This is the way for GWSG

If I want to do Dale and Erebor defence of the north armies, can I use the warriors of Erebor and Grim Hammers models?

>>96286019
L U R K M O R E

>>96290191
Dale and erebor IS with the erebor warriors, it's the pre-hobbit army
Defenders of erebor is the dotn wotr-era one with iron hills warriors, and I don't think anyone would mind you using the erebor warriors instead, they look and fit better next to them imo

Just make sure it's 100% WYSIWYG, so your erebor warriors better have shield and spears, grim hammers better be guys with mattocks, it's not fair to your opponent to proxy and then counts-as on top of that.

>>96290344
I use bottlecaps with tape labels on them.

Did a most excellent 1000p planetary assault tonight in bfg(for narrative reasons in an armageddon crusade)

I brought:
1 hive ship, 8 launch bays, pyro acid 45 ld9
2 cruisers with double claws
6 drones with pyro(since one bunch didn’t count for escort cap)
6 drones with pyro
2 vanguards with tentacles
4 claw kraken.

My buddy brought an Armageddon fleet
Battle barge with 1 reroll
Lunar class with torps
Gothic with torps
4 speedy cobras(mvps holy hell)
Low orbit defences, one torpedo one lance
High orbit defences: minefield.

I won the first turn, and ahf on whatever I could. 3 fighters stayed back as cap, the rest flew off in an assault boat wave.

Marines launched a bunch of torpedos to keep me honest.

>>96290992
They also had a fire ship!
T2.
Battleship and gothic hang back behind the planet, I lose 1 Kraken to ahf through an asteroid(I deserved that) , the minefield is stressing me out but the escorts seem to be sneaking through.
I fail my synapse so 90% of my ships are synapsing.
First ordnance swarm halves itself and miffs at the cobras.

>>96291025
What followed was my entire right flank ate the fire ship and promptly ignored the cobras due to instinctive(oops)
Upside was I had everything In pretty good positions, the next ordnance wave got launched too, my cap were amazing at eating torpedos for their parent ships, so I kept sending a fighter or two to replace the fallen every turn:
But a bundle of assault boats knocked out the lunar broadsides, it veered away and the gothic and battleship started their engines at last. I

>>96291053
The lunar moves out of the 2 krakens arc. I make my reload, and one cruiser does what I need. then fail instinctive again.
Those 2 kraken head to low orbit, but a vanguard tentacle and the cruiser all ahead fulls and manage to close board and claw the lunar, I hit with all 4 claws, and opt to latch on instead of overshooting.
My opponent considers heavily all is lost, but the gothic swinging around the planet is too close and opts to fight the untouched cruiser

>>96291073
Lunar is hulked and lists away form the planet but the crew manage to sabotage the vanguard drone at least in return. The cruiser(kraken prime) responsible for this deed now faces a battle barge which locks on, it turns a kraken and my last vanguard to vapour, and the cruiser is no more, exploding but hitting nothing.

The gothic swings around the planet and supports the battlebarge guns.
Meanwhile the torpedocobras zoom to the side of my last nid cruiser and cripple it with a cheeky torpedo.


Escort drone wave 1 lines up the gothic in return! At half power hits most of its shots causing an engine crit, and 2 fires! (Which are all repaired in the same turn agh) my ordnance boat wave of 8 fuck you boats hits the gothic at this stage and it loses every gun it has.

>>96291113
Meanwhile, the orbital mine detects my crippled cruiser, but it managed to limp into low orbit. While the titans duel above, my last 2 krakens bite apart the low orbit defences and synapse out- they will end up landing in 2 turns or so.
Meanwhile the ultramarines battlebarge back above the planet gets hit by the assault boat hose and loses its power to shit thunder hawks, torpedos or bombardment cannon. Heaven be praised, it will repair them all the turn after.

>>96291139
past pic, the battleship descended to low orbit to start blasting the ships, but the assault boats kept hitting hard as fuck keeping it from really doing much(since they too descended to low orbit and hit the ship. I believe at this stage it took 2-3 turns of this, while above in space the cobras worked their way through another escort drone batch- however I decided to board the fucks with some damaged escort drones and somehow we both killed each other- go figure.

What follows is battlebarge opts to remain stationary and try and stop the crippled cruiser, but this allows the second wave of 6 acid drones to lock on and enter low orbit as one directly ontop of it. They light him the fuck up and do 2 damage, the next assault boats kept hitting wave knocks every weapon down and the fire spreads-
Next turn hive ship enters orbit, launches even more boats. I managed to weaken the battlebarge down to crippled and in return Marines all ahead full to clear some space. Repair their damaged shield
Everything zooms behind, marines manage to repair their engines but the fires keep burning, and there are now 6 fires raging in that thing. The battlebarge vengeance for Cath burns out, as it is in the danger side of the gravity well it is drawn into the planet. At this stage my opponent conceded with 2 cobras left.

May I say, tyranids in low orbit are fucking horrifying.
I think perhaps my opponent holding back his 2 big ships was a mistake, I think especially the battleship could have afforded to brawl around the minefield, causing the mines themselves to do further.
Anyway battlefleet rocks, I made the low orbit map from felt to upgrade my old black plain rectangle felt piece. Painted up the nid cruisers for that game too.

My mvp: the 70+ assault boats I launched
His mvp: the cobras for sure- kill tally is 2 crippled cruisers, one squad of escort drones and a kraken or two. Villains.

Getting my Escher painted

>>96290992
Were the fleet rules waived as its a campaign? You have 6 more escorts than you can support with hive ships surely, 6 - 12 per hive ship, no?

>>96291618
I can't imagine going back to priming black nowadays.

anyone have any examples of Rohan painted with some colour variety, so they look similar to cultures like Goths that inspired them? I've dabbled in painting shields colours other than green, but it just doesn't feel right and I pussy out.

>>96290992
>>96291025
>>96291053
>>96291053
>>96291073
>>96291113
>>96291139
>>96291211
>posting games
cringe, this thread is for no-games to whine

>>96291733
you dont even have models

>>96292828
Wrong though.

>>96290992
>>96291025
>>96291053
>>96291073
>>96291113
>>96291139
>>96291211
Love seeing BFG content. I was playing it earlier in the year before moving onto something decidedly more arcadey, Star Trek Attack Wing

>>96293123
>models look this shit
>has shit take on priming
checks out

>>96293176
>models look this shit
Fine have modern examples. Now post your own models.
>has shit take on priming
Priming black is low iq

>>96293183
No, priming black is the best way to paint, recesses are pre-shaded.

>>96291645
Welcome to the Tyranid hive, where you can sneak in an extra 6 drones. And by the hive mind I will. (We are doing a 40k crusade at the same time and this battle does tie into that though)
>>96293145
Thanks anon, I love bfg and it’s certainly one of my fav games. had an ork friend hanging out and watching who’s convinced he wanted to get into the system after seeing the match, good outcome!
That brings us up to: marine/imp guy, myself with nids/imps,chaos , necron, and now orks.

>>96291618
Print failure as a paint test for the gang.

>>96294435
Nice tits, I think some of those are ghamak?

>>96294548
Yeah 3 of them are ghamak, some of them have weapons and or heads from the print minis bitter nightshades too, most of it is ash cats from 55mm.

>>96293183
Your models look quite mid, and your technique seems bad. The first pair of models you posted are actual child-tier. All you did was stay-in-the-lines with flat colours. The second pair is better, but not that much. They still look flat and unfinished from the waist up, and their jeans have awful, intense highlights. You still haven't explained why you incorrectly think priming white is better.

>>96293183
Priming black is the first step before spraying white from the top tho.

>>96295084
Not him but I find priming dark blue and then magenta on top really fun if you are doing inks/washes/contrasts

>>96295084
I don't really think this is worth doing if you're not painting with contrast paints.

>>96295096
Sure, but this won't work with every colour.
>>96295253
It's less than 2 minutes of "work", and you get a clear idea where your highlights will end up being. Also helps if you plan to use some brighter colours on parts of the model, but not everywhere.

I guess I just like the grey scale effect it creates.

>>96293123
>>96293183
Cool minis! Where/who are those from?

>>96295261
>>96295253
>>96295096
>prime black
>drybrush medium grey
>drybrush from lightsource in light grey
>drybrush edges and lightsources white
>contrast
>keep shadows
>get lighting effects through zenithal highlighting
>do so easily

Simple as

>>96295666
A light spray in white is way quicker tho. Especially since after the initial priming, the models are mounted on some kind of cardboard or wood or whatever anyways. But of course, drybrushing works too.

>>96289950
>>96289948
That's why I gave it Cons, not to mention the cost of it too and the fact that if the owner dies, the expensive armour is gone too. Like I was thinking 120+ creds

>>96296090
>120+ creds
120 cred for 2+armor ( heavy carapace already 100) + servo harness full + field armor + suspensor + auspex (360 night vision) . And it also stacks with undersuit and ablative. And that is assuming the telerpotarium wasn't built so it can't be used. You are thinking like a person who never play the game.

Those Palatinos better come out next sunday. I'm waiting to get my Shithammer+ mini shipped and want to roll in that new stuff.

more plastic Rohan models from that film everyone already forgotten bout
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/jdaeerrz/frealaf-hildeson-and-olwyn-arrive-in-middle-earthtm-strategy-battle-game/

>>96296247
This box is so DOA it's insane and I am legitimately concerned with the mental welling being of whoever is green lighting these decisions.

>>96296278
GW is probably contractually obligated to do all film releases as books for MESBG
I think the model being plastic has more to do with new UK laws about industrial pollution which means GW has shifted away from making Resin models

>>96296290
They probably went into planning/pre-production of the moulds before the movie even aired. So GW probably had no clue about it's lack of success.

>>96296247
>People want Sauron

> Anyways, here's the box with all of the jobbers. featuring 60 years old woman who beat up everyone.

>>96296290
Also plastic isn't a big expense for them anymore. They make SO much of it every year, including all the characters. And they're proven via Old World that the cost of a mold can literally be amortized over 30 years.

>>96296555
Not a big expense for GW, but those boxes will be bricks for any FLGS stupid enough to buy them.

>>96296570
I'm not super deep into that topic, but can stores fully decline to buy certain boxes? Wasnt there something that they have to take a certain amount of "everything" as a minimum?

>>96296583
I know that with comics you have to buy a minimum number of shit books before you can order the hot items that'll actually sell, so maybe.

>>96296247
>Anime bland "high fantasy" design with no basis in reality destroying the more realistic designs of the original books, art and the LotR movies.

Anime was a mistake and weebs should be gassed.

>>96296247
>2025 and we are getting a plastic faction leader and another box with 3 minor characters in plastic foot and mounted
>it's for the chinese cartoon where every character looks like a nonce

Where are my new Rohirrim? Where are my Uruks with pikes that don't snap?

>>96295481
The top first pair of miniatures are from Warzone Mutant Chronicles, Prince August still sells them.
The second pair are from Fallout Wasteland Warfare, by Modiphius.

>>96296583
GW has a lot of incentive programs to make LGS buy things they don't want
like when Cathay came out for TOW the GW sales division paired that with WoC and some other factions that weren't selling, so those LGS had to buy those models if they wanted Cathay models

Has anyone played with the eldar rules for 1st edition necromunda? Ya know, the ones from citadel journal 36? How balanced are they? Are they good?

>>96296247
Nice. Still not playing Good ever.
Speaking of, is starting Ruffians that bad of an idea?

>>96240841
>>96243124
mine rohan so far

>>96293123
But anon, didnt you prime that bit of scenery in black?

>>96298702
No idea, it's pre-painted terrain.

>>96296090
>Like I was thinking 120+ creds
I dunno, thats seems far far too cheap for 2+ even with 2 minor cons (eg, if your heavy weapons guy has infiltrate, and the board has good verticality the move debuff isnt bad at all)

>>96297150
>Where are my new Rohirrim?
Did you miss the starter set.

>>96298786
Obviously mean riders of rohan, which will never ever be made because GW hates you

>tempted to get Rohan Stronghold
>intimidated by the sheer mass of sprues that I'll be investing in

>>96299778
Dunland became legends so fuck you forgoil.

A poxwalker made into a prized fighter. Not the best looking fella, but his stupid appearance pleases me. He reminds me of Soda Popinski so I guess I'll call him Will Snako.

>>96294435
working on the flesh, also decided on my basing.

>>96300761
Necrana and the two death maidens are my first time painting dead skin.

>>96300597
>toodle-loo, I'm off to punch someone in the head!

>>96300409
>lose almost entire army
>gain single plastic kit
>flourishing

What the fuck happened to MESBG?

>>96302831
nothing happen, just another wave of low effort release to keep the IP from GW.

>>96302831
anime

>>96300771
Last nights progress

>>96293123
Guy on the left literally has Nerf gear lmao

How do you get to that point and decide, "ok, this model's done!" Like putting aside all the talk about painting technique... the colour selection is still insane.

>>96304198
Painting in the bright colors that are a result of priming in white is the territory of childish minds.

>>96296247
>>96302831
What a steaming pile of garbage. Honestly, I thought the movie was OK, but the designs are absolute crap. I hope the theoretical new Riders box is done with the PJ movies in mind

>>96304624
I mean, the new warriors were done to match the old sculpts and they're great, so new riders would do the same no doubt.

but of course they're never coming.

>>96302831
Big Blue Book forever.

Retard question here: what's the difference between Warcry and Kill Team other than setting

>>96305765
Warcry is way too simple
Kill team is needlessly complex

>>96305765
Warcry is a weird game that neither competitive nor narrative yet at the same time both. That is it has both but doesn't commit to either. Kill Team on the other hand skews towards competitive heavily and while now there are some more narrative aspects they are ultimately secondary. Warcry is also way easier to learn with Kill Team having mechanics that take a while to master. That said once mastered the game takes a new form and has more "replay" value as you seek to master more teams. Speaking of which Warcry has a not only a good number of "pre-made" teams but also access to huge amount of regular AOS units giving you way more customization options than Kill Team where teams are more less fixed and your only real options are some operative selection and equipment. Overall if you have the time and willingness to learn and want to play a fast paced competitive game go with KT. If you want what could be considered the ultimate GW beer and pretzels game, want to invest less time in learning rules or want a game you can easily play with people who might not be familiar with table top games go with with WC.

>>96305765
Warcry is rules lite and unserious
Kill Team is rules dense and competitive

>>96306331
>If you want what could be considered the ultimate GW beer and pretzels game,
Then play Blood Bowl.

>>96306635
Blood Bowl feels like it can get more intense.