Thread 96225081

Chaos Gods Edition

>Previously, in the Mortal Realms
>>96214869

>Official AoS website:
https://www.ageofsigmar.com

>Downloads, Rules Errata and FAQs:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

>Tools
warhammer-community.com/2017/09/26/make-your-own-free-city-the-easy-way-sep26gw-homepage-post-4/
https://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/

>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator:
https://aosg.github.io/

>Booru:
https://ageofsigmart.booru.org/index.php

>Thread question:
What's the coolest looking cavalry unit?

>TQ
Well its obviously going to go to doomfire warlocks. they're so fucking cool and higlight what dok is all about amirite fellas?
on a serious note, its gotta be deadblade horrors. I remember using those as a base for bloodknights when I had like 20 vampire count riders from the vampire dragon kits. I would also say pusgoyles, but those fuckers are prone to getting damaged. Also seams are a bitch.

>What's the coolest looking cavalry unit?
chaos knights

>>96225081 (OP)
Coolest cavalry is a hard one since I really am not a big fan of most cavalry. But the eels probably are the most standout, I do enjoy the sea elves!

Is it weird I want more night haunt like the one cado has? Not even as a unit, just as dedicated bits.

Will they replace him at some point with a new Wight on foot?
Also, show me your skeletons. Especially if you give them glowing eyes or other parts.

>>96225247
Fuck

>>96225254
I’ve seen people use extra bits from the new horse hero to kitbash a wight king. But desu I’m just gonna use the king of velmorn once that set comes back.

>>96225268
Same. I'm so excited to get him. If that kit is available without getting the combined 4 squads then I may even grab 2. But The other 3 are fine enough that I may end up painting them anyway.

Well... I still don't like his existence but I tolerate the New Deathbringer slightly more.
Maybe it's just the fact I am that tired to care anymore

>>96225313
What's wrong with him? I'm not a Khorne man, but I think he looks good.

>>96225330
He's... okay... but compared to the Aspiring and Exalted designs, he really is lacking a lot. It's very ehhh

>>96225254
they claimed to tweak the mould with the borrow kings release, no idea what they changed tho

>>96225387
Almost certainly changing the base so that it's no longer a molded square base that needs to be cut to be placed on a round

After seeing posts on instagram of the new helsmiths, the army preview REALLY didn’t do the army any favors. The beard for the dude with gems on it looks so much better with an actual paint job.

>>96225379
>>96225330
>>96225313
he really just kind of looks like a shirtless chaos warrior. the shield, axe, and helm are very chaos warrior-y.

Blood warriors, wrathmongers, and the other BOK characters have super dynamic posing, tons of skulls, and loads of trim to set them apart. this dude is not bad by any means but he seems a bit too stoic and not enough of a blood-crazed retard. This pose fits Nurgle or StD more, who prefer covering their faces entirely to look scarier.

Aos doesn’t have enough skulls. or edgy iconography. We need to make 2008 deviant art blush.

>>96225081 (OP)
>TQ
Eel

Look, I found an old artwork of morathi
in the slaanesh section of the realm of chaos slaves to darkness book

>>96225247
I hope not, I want more people to get to love him

>>96225081 (OP)
>TQ
These little fuckers. Love everything but their name.
>>96225247
>>96225254
They probably will sooner rather than later, has a bit of a different look to the new skellies, same as the much more recent wight king on steed that they also got rid of. Might be the 5e sbgl pity hero or something. I really like the guy, he's pretty cheap too, gotta see if I can pick him up one of these days.

Chorfs this sunday.

>>96226366
You think? I cant wait for them, i need them, but i feel its too early. I think they will release the falconeer and the alchemist first, and then Helsmiths of Hashut

>>96225247
>>96225254
Yes, they sell this guy for like £10 and the yearly price increases alone aren't enough to realistically bump him up to the standard £28

>>96226546
trust in hashut

>>96225330
StD helmet rather than a Khorne helmet

>>96226366
Chorfs in September/November is more likely

One month ago I announced my plan to finish my pile of shame. I pledged to paint 15 models in July. Many of you scoffed at me, you said it was impossible for one man to paint 15 models in a single month.

Not only did I paint 15 models in July, I did one better. I painted 16 models in July!

Not to brag, but I could have painted even more. Instead when I surpassed my goal I switched to building models to be ready for this month.

One month ago I had 121 unpainted models, I painted 16 models, now I have only 127 models left to paint (I bought more models)

>>96226569
How do I flip this switch and actually paint?

>>96226569
I now pledge to paint 25 models this month!

I know many of you will scoff, that's almost one model a day! Is it really possible to paint that fast? Time will show...

>>96226575
How many models do you have to paint and how many do you reasonably think you could paint in August?

>>96226605
Let's just say I couldn't even count them
>and how many do you reasonably think you could paint in August?
No idea, never finished a single one.

>>96226626
OK well then just pledge that by the end of this month you will paint five models.

Once you've done that you can make some decisions about what models you actually want to paint and what models you're going to sell until you get your self down to a countable (and paintable) number of models.

>>96226366
i've seen influencers with early chorf models painting them, i'd say its pretty soon

>>96226643
Good.

>tq
I really like dawn riders. Them, Blood knights, and chaos give me the feel of a real fucking cool block of cavalry that'll shred it up on the charge and look great in formation.

>beastgrabbaz warscroll has no ranged weapons
They really just shit these out don't they

>>96226366
>>96226643
No way they're that early with all the stuff in GW's release schedule??
Several different places on the internet all triangulated late September early October for the spearhead release!
I mean, I can hardly wait for them, so I don't mind. But still, this sounds like wishlisting.
If the box releases we should see the warscrolls too, so we know if they really are missing terrain and manifestations. There's a few warscrolls (about 4) I have no idea what could be.

What's this flaregun they're talking about? Try as I might I can't find it on the models.

>>96226774
It might just be a rule. Or it might be a bit of gear on a belt that we can't see in the pictures. I guess we won't know until the instructions/sprue pics come out.

>>96226569
I remember your post, good work anon.
>>96226643
Really ? Which ones ? Just the army box or other stuff too ?
Seems a bit early is all, took like two months for cathay to materialize after the reveal.

>>96225081 (OP)
love these creepy ass ghouls

>>96225234
Is that image supposed to be incredibly based?
Because it is

>>96226943
AoS doesn't have weapon options

>>96225081 (OP)
>TQ
Hard to pick one. AoS is very well off in terms of mounted cavalry units. But I'll have to go with boingrots because they are literally flawless.

>>96227077
> New Chorfs
Checkmate

>>96225081 (OP)
To me it's a tossup between Chaos Knights and the Stormstrike Palladors.

I'm still disappointed in how the palladors turned out. Not sure why they're on fuck huge bases (they're on 90mm, same size as the dracoth) with their stats. Hoping to see them drop down to 170 or so now that stormcast are starting to drop off, though honestly having a 2 more attacks on their lances, or damage 2 lances or rend 2 base feels more appropriate given their base and unit size.

>>96225081 (OP)
Chaos Knights. They mog varanguard so hard it's unbelievable.
Dawn Riders are admittedly also very good, and they are the standouts in LRL for me.
>>96227077
Some units still do, but they count as two different units in most cases.
Really wish they brought back more customization... Especially with heroes and items.

>>96226897
Booba

What’s the most technically well made/painted but awful model you’ve seen?

Hard mode
>no Vince ratcast or furry verminlord

>>96227178
God I still can't believe he saw how this conversion turned out and decided to put decent effort into painting it anyway

>>96226897
>>96227150
>Nobody is throwing hissy fits over female ghouls
Curious

>>96227210
Yes anon. All the people who complain about forced DEI are actually just gooners, so since you can call them a buzzword their arguments aren't something you actually need to think about.
Feels good to be on the side of right, and owning those chuds doesn't it? You're so moral compared to all those misogynists.

>>96227107
They won't drop them lower because of the wound count and heaven sent.

>>96227210
I did at the time but I was more concerned with the flanderization of the faction at the time. But really it's not a faction I'm all that interested in. Cases like dwarfs, Darkoath and CoS where they ruin ranges that could otherwise be really good are far more important to me.

>>96227189
Sunk cost fallacy, just remember he paid for a legit ushoran model to do this to it

>>96227178
Another vince classic
Honestly I dislike most of the ""uh they're from chamon"" conversions, even when they're competently done and painted.

>>96227346
>he paid
Does he really though? I mean I can believe it as he's a huge consoomer but it's equally likely GW sends him all their new releases for free. Being a big "influencer" shill even featured on Warhammer Community and all.

>>96227349
This is a fairly common opinion on here.
I mean, cudos to his hobbying and painting skills.
But he fucks up every time he coverts.

>>96227349
It just looks like a fucking 40K model Vince

>>96227349
should have gave it the keeper of secrets legs. with a puffy

>>96227378
This I really don't get. Even if that tech was possible in AoS, and between cogforts and KO you could probably get partway there. But you take one look at this and your brain just thinks "That's 40K"

>>96227373
For his Cities army he said he was basically throwing stuff together from his bits box, so he doesn't plan beforehand which explains the Ushoran conversion being so awkward

>>96227210
I mean arguably it's the only army where bitching makes sense if they follow a tired early middle ages chivalric ideal... Who cares, though

>>96227423
They're deluded brets
Brets are now also egalitarian
>Who cares, though
I do.

>>96227413
Vince should be actually punished for those horrible motorbike cities.

>>96227340
Yeah, I kinda miss the extent of their delusions (seeing bones as swords and being completely alien in reality to how they see themselves in appearance and action).
Now it's like they think their sword isn't rusted? Umm okay?

>>96227431
No one cares about your opinion, though, you're beyond irrelevant

>>96227465
Looking at this guy I think I would like the whole range 200% more if they were all in flayed skins/rags.
They're ugly in a cool way, but still a bit too ugly. Where as Nurgle is ugly but purely in a cool way.
Ogors and Sons are examples of being ugly in a bad way.

>>96227465
You could argue they were just working with the models they had from WFB so it was just a cope but I thought it was neat that they were truly that deluded. But now they actually pretty much are what they think, just covered in gore and ugly.

>>96227431
There's an entire board dedicated to retards like you, go check it out

>>96227498
There's an entire website dedicated to people like you where you'd never have to hear a single dissenting opinion again but I don't see you going there either.

>>96227473
>>96227498
The cultural tide has shifted. It is you who are losing relevancy.

>>96226561
>chaos arrows
>hammer
>skull
>boobs
>tall hat
>no gem
>no watermelon
>no obstructive forehead plate
haram

>>96227517
She also exceeded her single digit armor scale count.

>>96227517
As if the Helsmiths don't have tall hats?
I mean, they're not as tall as they are, but still.

>>96227532
Honestly they're taller than the FW ones. Not sure what people were expecting. Straight up 90s models?
Not that it excuses certain design elements on the new range. But the hats are decently sized by modern standards.

I wonder how well integrated wights are into shyish societies.

>>96227583
they aren't

>>96227389
yeah it's 90% 40k parts with zero alteration.

IMO you absolutely could do a heavy industry, Chamon, Ironweld army. And you can incorporate 40k parts and it would still work. But you need to actually do some serious convering or even, god forbit, scratch building. You need to create something that is more than the sum of it's parts and at the end has a unique aesthetic.

>>96226569
I pledge to finish my Mega gargant, Skrag, Droggz, my cryptguard, and my bad moon loon shrine this month.

Thank you anon, I'm gonna get back to this shit damnit and they're all gonna look great.

>>96227629
Hell yeah brother.

See guys, this thread can be about more than complaining about women!

>>96227349
I kinda wish CoS incorporated more lenses in their design, alluding to the astrological theme of Azyr. So more telescopes, more ranged weapons that use focusing lenses, maybe some dudes with scrying discs on top of their helmets to transmit live feeds to their commanders, etc. I feel like it'd make for a fun visual if the Azyrite culture of celestial observation had made them so capable in this one field that it became their default answer to any problem, even tactical ones.

>>96227649
too high magic
the point of cities of sigmar as a new range is to push the mudcore underdog lowest man pov

>>96225081 (OP)
>TQ

>>96227649
I would literally love that they split CoS into two: The free cities with technology like laser lens, Cogforts, cannons and tamed ogors through phrenology fantasy metods and the Order or Azyr religious side that use faith in Sigmar, guerrilla and zealots as weapons but they just made something like GSG and merge all in the most half-assed way, is pretty sad.

>>96227679
You mean 5

>>96227681
5?

>>96225081 (OP)
>What's the coolest looking cavalry unit?
Besides the goofy heads and lack of wrists I still think Blood Knights win this easily. The Nightmares are awesome and they got some proper lances. The banner is also great.

>>96227641
I enjoy these threads and the various anons, I've been in more of an deal hunting and trading thing recently too. Might as well actually paint these fuckin' models.

>>96227679
>tamed ogors through phrenology fantasy metods
Not how Ogor Warhulks work

>>96225081 (OP)
No one mentioned them but they are really cool.

>>96227583
Depends on the city. The Hallost region, a sort of Valhall underworld, was colonised by Humans and Sigmar won the native's favour by beating them in duels. The undead fought alongside humanity.
In Nagash Undying King there's a human civilization that works alongside their undead ancestors, but this was a Nagash worshipping civilization.
It depends but there's room for everything.
>>96227587
retard

if whale

why turtle?

>>96227795
if manta

why shark?

>>96227773
I do wish we got more stuff like this, I would enjoy just a big fluff book and some short story collections for various factions to help flesh the world out. The warcraft chronicles books (as much as blizzard fucked it up repeatedly because of that fat hack who wanted to fuck Sylvannas being the lead writer for like 8 years) were really fantastic pseudo in universe history books.

I feel like something like this for each of the quadrants (destruction, death, chaos, order) just compiling all the little character bits, short stories, artwork, and history of the realms would honestly be some good shit. I really do want to get more into Sigmar lore but GW doesn't output anywhere near as much stuff for it as Fantasy or 40k ever got.

(Also side note, Trolls are the coolest race in Warcraft. Vol'jin got robbed)

>>96227795
Stop reminding me about IDK, I keep wanting to buy that cool water elemental thing to have as a Krondspire proxy!

>>96227801
>Vol'jin got robbed
Yeah, but honestly, who wasn't?

>>96227801
I know nothing about warcraft trolls except that they look cool, sometimes aztec with dinos, and are apparently ancestors of the elves

>>96227825
They look cool, original ones were voodoo Jamaican themed, later on we got big empire ones live in giant city of gold with Aztec temples, worship cool gods and monsters. They're basically just lanky blue orcs with bigger tusks but the accent and blizzard over the top bullshit with the wooden masks and bone tribal look is sick.

>>96227825
Trolls and Tauren are THE native races of Azeroth, believe it or not. Humans, Dwarves, and Gnomes are made from titan constructs that were given the curse of flesh from the old gods.
>>96227848
Zandalari, my fucking goats.

>>96227210
I throw a hissy fit over the lack of female tzaangors

>>96227848
>original ones were voodoo Jamaican themed
Not really. Are you a secondary by any chance?

>>96227801
>Trolls are the coolest race in Warcraft.
yes but not the Darkspear, they're literally the lamest of all of them
>Vol'jin got robbed
lmao

>>96227856
Is starting at 3 as a kid counting as secondary now? But yeah you're correct, it was basically a Tony Montoya accent originally but that didn't stick around (except heroes of the storm)

>>96227860
EY FUCK YOU, even if you're right. I'd be more of a Drakari guy but I think all of them are dead. I'll still say I would enjoy a more tribal styled faction for AoS but GW kinda killed them both with Beastmen and the feral orks (admitedly the orks were like, 4 units total)

>TQ
Does picrel count ?
>>96227768
Great choice anon.
>>96227795
>>96227799
Still wondering what the fuck gw was thinking giving idk two more foot heroes and an incarnate instead of literally anything else

>>96227885
>. I'll still say I would enjoy a more tribal styled faction for AoS but GW kinda killed them both with Beastmen and the feral orks
Lizardmen?

>>96227895
Shit, how could I completely blank on that! But they're a bit too classy, I want a bit more grungy. Lizardmen are cool as fuck but a little too clean. I've started just associating them more with Sci-fi than tribalism.

>>96227888
>does this fagbait that isn't even an AoS unit count???
gee golly I wonder.

>>96227888
Incarnate is cool as an alternative to the usual spells.
But yea the heroes should have been given weapon options duplicates by 10 and released as a pseudo cav unit.

>>96227904
Yeah the range update either works for you or it doesn't. Definitely a bit too Old Ones focused now for my tastes.

>>96227904
kruleboys

>>96227885
>Is starting at 3 as a kid counting as secondary now?
Now? Starting any series at part 3 is counting as a secondary.

>>96227917
Oh shit yeah! I am fucking dumb, I need to get some coffee... I could totally paint them with some warcraft troll theming.....

>>96227921
I do have an excuse here, I was 4 months old when Warcraft 2 hit.

>>96227927
>I do have an excuse here, I was 4 months old when Warcraft 2 hit.
It's ok, we don't really choose when we're born, but don't talk like WC3 was the original.

>>96227927
Honestly we could definitely do with a new tribal Destruction army that's something different, not a greenskin or ogre.

>>96227910
I don't mind the incarnate, or the heroes, in a vacuum. But it does sour you a bit on them when they were the last thing the army needed. Oh well, at least the spearhead is cool.

>>96227985
I hope IDK, Fyreslayers, and OBR can get some actual unit releases at some point.

>>96227950
Silent ones incoming
TRUST THE PLAN.

>>96227989
OBR has like 9 units which is respectable, though they still have some obvious gaps.
FS and IDK have like six total non-hero units each and some of them are basically interchangeable with each other besides.

>>96227950
Sylvaneth should have been a Destruction faction.
Idoneth should have been a Death faction.
DoK should have been a Chaos faction.

>>96227910
Incarnate is cool and all but... Seriously?
A whole ocean of marine creatures they could make units with: Octopus, gymnosomata, nautilus, sea horses, jellyfishes, starfishes, angler fishes, crabs, whales, mantas, dolphins... And just two heroes? Come on, James, come on.

>>96228098
elves should be their own grand alliance

>>96228098
>>96228109
we should erase all elves but DoK.

>>96228111
dok are the only ones getting erased

>>96228131
>soon

>>96228131
how do people say his new name again?
màlerion?
malèrion?
malerìon?
maleriòn?

>>96228171
Like Malaria but with an E

>>96227314
the base size or the points?

base size they've been hypocritical and not consistent at all in wounds on bases.

points that seems like a ridiculous reason with questors at 200 and shield annihilators at 140. Getting 10-15 wounds back on a 3+ save that can't do any meaningful damage (even if they could get the charge off from 9" reliably) isn't going to shift any numbers significantly. You can already do this with dracoths and it's not such a valuable strat people are taking them.

>>96228171
Muh Larian

>>96228131
This is the wet dream of all the shutdown teen enjoyers.
Here is the reality: DoK and Morathi in particular will keep existing and in charge, the best you can expect is to have something new (Spoiler: Will not happen any time soon)

>>96227909
you're the fag

>>96228289
The points to wounds. 180 is going to be the absolute floor for a 15w 3+ 12" move. The only thing lower is broken freeguild cav. Questors can't reinforce, annihilators are slow and only 9 wounds. Dracoths are only 10 wounds.
They can do decent damage with +1 hit and finest hour.
I don't think they're good obv, but they won't drop much if at all.

>>96228329
>Here is the reality: DoK and Morathi in particular will keep existing
true
>and in charge
nah, gw already introduced an opposition with the crone herald, and it's eventually going to shove shadow the edgyelf and his boys into the book, so the book will have to be rebranded

>>96228150
This is right before 2nd Ed, so it's like 7 years old or something?

>>96228150
>>96228400
at this point I'm more curious about whatever the fuck went on behind the scenes to cause such a delay in the shadow elves than I'm curious about the actual shadow elves release itself

gw told an artist to make this artwork, at a moment in time when gw only made artworks that are direct references to models, gw had discussions about what malerion's story and faction would be and look like over 10 years ago, and evidently that was discarded
I need to know what prowls in the shadows of the uggolands

>>96228351
I've played enough Corruption of Champions to know she has a cock somehwere

>>96228442
Member the symbol that was used in place of Slaanesh's symbol?

is bad to expect malerion is death/trapped? at this point i just prefer that option.

>>96228483
there's no reason to expect that, we have seen him appear in fluff a few times and last time he was mentioned he was said to be fighting tyrion somewhere

>>96228380
this seems like a very oddly specific criteria for them focus in on, I don't think they design in this way. They gave almost every cav in the game atleast 3 wounds (which is why you see hexwraith spam taking off with them being only 160 at start of edition) and another damage on charge without adjusting for points and also removed battleshock without adjusting for points.

If I had to take a stab as to why palladors are priced the way they are, it's because stormcast were already doing good at the time they came out, and they're not convinced they not to be lower, more that the problem is vanguard palladors are that much better for the price.

They obviously had plans for Malerion. Whether it was just delayed or scrapped completely remains unknown.

>>96228442
>when gw only made artworks that are direct references to models
this is behind the rock
seriously though, no, the same core book features originally fyreslayers and Grimnir/Vulcatrix

>>96228522
>Scene 7
>nothing happnes
>literally no text beyond the bait part
Nice print nigga

>>96228442
Models confirmed by core book
>new Eshin
>Blightkings on horses
>skeleton warriors
>ardboy on wyvern
>grimnir
holy cope

>>96228508
>I don't think they design in this way.
Based on what, a unit that went to 200 almost immediately? Grunters have sucked since 4e and IJ as a whole have sucked and they stay 180 because they have too much value as a screen. There's 100% chance FG Cav go up next BS.

>>96228566
>On horses
Why?

>>96228566
What happened to these kits?

>>96228566
>>ardboy on wyvern
thats literally just the mawcrusha?

Reposting cuz I'm bored at lunch and I like it a lot

>>96228610
see >>96228585

>>96228522
That plus pic related makes me believe that in the middle of GW trying to kill off Slaanesh they intended Malerion to take his place in AoS and the Ynnari were going to succeed in some degree of getting rid of him.
>>96228547
It says scene because that book is like a transcript of the Realmslayer audio drama.

>>96228613
I dig the scheme you’re going for

Sigmar model leaked

>>96228626
Thanks, my cow is also WiP even though I like the vanari, I have come around on the cows

>>96228644
Please

>>96228566
Eshin? Eshin before fucking Pestilens? What the fuck... Pestilens had a book, James!

>>96228566
grimnir is confirmed? that will be the time they give fyreslayers their rightfully update right?

Now this is bugging me, it makes perfect sense for the Ironblaster to be BCR but it wasn't/isn't

>>96228710
I'm confused. Grimghast obviously exist by now given the Bladeghaist helmet, so why kitbash 5 of it from a monopose hero model

>>96228725
That's from the 1st edition core book, 3 years before Soul Wars

>>96228742
Yeh, that's why it has 2nd edition bits used in the conversion.
Pesky time travelers

>>96228725
The cairn wraith actually comes with a helmeted option

>>96228766
The CW comes with three heads and they're all being used in that picture

>>96228766
https://files dot fm/u/nb2g83zmr6
page 100
GW clearly had plans for them, it's just funny they knew the timeframe wouldn't permit them to show it so they presented a unit of kitbashed monopose heroes

Fury of the Deep arrived. Very excited, the minis look good and everything is pristine and sealed. Ready for a good, hobby weekend for sure. Anyone else working on their projects today?

>>96228822
Getting back on my wardens when I come home from work. Just coming back from lunch now, though. So I’m gonna be stuck in the wage cage a few more hours.

>>96228831
LRL or Saurians, Anon? Hope the wage cage at least pays you decently. I have a week until I start my new job so I plan on trying to assemble and prime as much as I can of the box before that.

>>96228849
LRL.

>>96228099
Im with you anon, they are doing a lot of factions a disservice right now.
They should get more than a pity hero, and the occasional warcry band.
Let it be at least a pity unit.

>creatures
I'm still waiting for some dank gribblies like milllipeds, bugs and spiders as units for my gloomspite. I know how you feel.

>>96228099
>And just two heroes
More actually. The other one is a plurality of individuals. The exact amount is unknown but they are legion.

>>96227660
>too high magic
I don't want this phrase to be associated with AoS.

>>96228911
DELIVER SEGMAPEDE!!!!

>>96228952
Here's a boss on a wolf bro

>>96228858
Nice. Mind if I ask your opinion on the LRL range? I remember being here for the reveal and how it was pretty divisive. Looks like there is new stuff in the line now since I last payed attention to AoS.

>>96229035
Not that anon but the guy who's painting the orange ones above. After getting into the lore I actually really dig the whole spirits of the land thing. It sets them apart from just not!high elves especially knowing they are still permanently flawed. Cow helmets on the infantry are still wack but can be worked with. Otherwise hurrakan stuff is very cool as add the heroes we've gotten and river blades. Feels different but a cohesive vision which can't be said for some other AoS original armies.

Wouldn't it be better to spam Wolfgit Retinue than Snarlfang Riders? 35ppm with a 5+ ward Vs 24ppm with D6 moves out of combat, identical otherwise

>>96228625
Damn where is this from?
This whole time period is so fascinating to me, I really want to know what gw was thinking with some of the choices they did and did not make. I remember a lot of people scared they were removing slaanesh from both fantasy and 40k

>>96229057
Big fan of your paint scheme, Anon. Thank you for your take on the army. The helmets do still throw me, but the newer stuff gives it a bit more of a cohesive and Elf-like look, in my opinion.

>>96228644
bro think he's Radagon

>>96229064
Wasn't it like the 1st edition core book? Barely anyone bought it because rules were only 4 pages and were free.

>>96229058
Retinue isn't spammable, each one requires a boss. The boss doesn't even take the retinue, his primary purpose is to buff snarlpack damage and the snarlfang's purpose is to screen. Retinue does nothing.

>>96228625
>GW trying to kill off Slaanesh
There were certainly trying to phase Slaanesh out. Even Archaon's mount doesn't have a Slaaneshi head.

>>96229064
Starter set booklet

>>96229214
It looks very much like Malekith's crown.

>>96229180
>>96229214
Damn that is bizarre. Maybe it represent slaanesh being captured by the elves or something ?
Either way yeah I definitely don't blame people for thinking gw was going to squat slaanesh back in 2015

>>96229235
Forgot pic

>>96229214
features lots of weird stuff
>Steamhead Duardin

Guys, I'm looking for the first edition of the Sylvanet PDF. Does anyone happen to have it?

>>96229035
Sure. So initially my impression was something along the lines of “Really? That’s what you went with?” and my general sentiment was “These sculpts would be perfect except for X.” where X was an aspect of the model I thought ruined an otherwise fantastic sculpt. Examples were Warden spears, Stoneguard helmet toppers, Cathallar’s head crest thingy and hip-handlebars, Teclis’s face and pose, etc. Not directly related to eachother, but I after reading their lore I also grew to like the sculpts and leave my complaints with them behind, chalking up some of the dislike to the paintjob as well. Like in my models, where the official paintjob gives them a jumpsuit and some weird butt-cape under the armor, I’ve made the Bladelords wear separate pants and a top that is reminiscent of one of those Asian robes whose name escapes me right now. Decided my next army would be them or Malerion’s elves, but I think around the time the Horns of Hashut came out as well as the lore of KB Hobgrotz I figured Chorfs were coming before Malerion, and here we are today. Now I’m at about 1400 points painted. I’m still gonna get the better Teclis sculpt 3D printed to slap onto Celennar as well as replace the Stoneguard helmet toppers with Custodes plumes if I ever decide to buy either, though. A few other thoughts: S Some of the choices for assembly design of the models are puzzling and definitely don’t help in planning a project. Also, it’s weird to me that people got mad at LRL’s “wave 2” when the army was pretty clearly not launched in “1.0 launch” state especially after GW told us they made so many sculpts in one of the Lumineth Lowdown articles. I’m not expecting much for LRL this edition, I think we’ll see a reboxing of the Riverblades, a Ydrilian Rivermage, and a dual kit for the Aelementor, Generic River Spirit/Daixo Whitecrest.

>>96229252
Orange anon here, yours are so clean and gorgeous anon. I'm praying for tyrion elves I'm the next few years. I yearn for a phoenix but I fuck with a Daixo

>>96229245
fyreslayers were also called red slayers instead

>>96229251
>first edition of the Sylvanet PDF
litter.catbox.moe/3ilfvp15qheh4qb4.pdf

>>96228766
The bits are from the crainwraith and hexwraiths kits, because in FB it was the only true ghost unit, but you could still field a unit of multiple

>>96229235
>>96229240
>>96229241
Delfs were always linked to slaanesh hence the new children of slaanesh models having the same iconography

>>96229354
the children of slaanesh don't have malekith's crown, they have morathi's, she's the dad

>>96229245
based on this DoK might've been Slaanesh followers too. There's no mention of legacy armies at all just KO, Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth

>>96229367
delf shit is all the same

should I buy many shades of a single color if I want to paint a gradient or can I get away with just mixing black/white into it?

Any way to salvage old dried up clumpy citadel paint?
Tried adding some water and thinner and I managed to make it stirable but it's still full of clumps and hard to shake

>>96229376
nope

you won't find any other dark elf symbol on slaanesh models

>>96229394
ball bearing?
shake the devil out of it

>>96229399
Morathi is a dark elf.

>>96229297
Thanks! It’s cool seeing your stuff(and other anons) come together as the threads go on, too. I like the vibrance of your color choices. Dude, I can’t wait to see what they do with Tyrion. Especially now that him/Teclis have the ember of the Ur-Phoenix. It kinda entrenches me further into my speculations that he’s gonna have a phoenix companion like Teclis has Celennar.

Man, I want nothing more than to start work on my army right now, but work out duty calls. Best of luck to all of you Anons on this great Friday, WAGMI, lads. Enjoy your weekend and hobby work!

>>96229252
Thanks bro, those are absolutely beautifully done. I agree completely with your insight and remember looking at the sculpts on release and feeling the same way about how they were good aside from one or two aspects that were just glaring enough to bother me.Great work again on your painting and thanks for going out of your way with that write up.

>>96229302
I finally got it, thanks bro.

>>96229413
Isn't the banner blade banner got tyerion and a big phoenix? Would love for him to return with a phoenix I'd nut. Appreciate the compliments, I like your cool (palette) on the shields, I'm trying to do this to mine. I just hope it looks as cool on the table in a block.

>>96229404
>ESL

>>96229419
>work out duty calls
you are 5ft nothing... It's over

>>96229399
see >>96229214

>>96229378
Buy the color you want as the midtone. Then look for the brightest non-white color to make the highlights out of depending on the color temperature you want. The whole Ice Yellow/Ice Blue method, but you can extend this to other colors, too, like pink, green, and orange. A kind of guideline I like to use is to scan the paint rack and see which color catches your eye. The quicker you notice it, the more likely it is a good color to mix in as a highlight. As for shadows look for the darkest colors that aren’t black and mix a bit of that in. Think dark purples, greens, blues, browns, even burgundy, etc. You generally want to avoid mixing straight white and black because it kills the saturation of the colors.

>Skaven updates are faithful to original
>Lizardmen updated are faithful to original
>Slaves to Darkness Chaos Warriors are faithful to original
>Undead skellies and zombies are faithful to original
>GW: "CHORFS MUST BE DIVERSE AND NOT HAVE CHAOS DESIGNS OR BE FAITHFUL TO THE ORIGINAL DESIGN!!"


Fucking why?

>>96229413
I don't play loomies but I'm cautiously hyped for tyrion. Blind god of light and war is peak pseudo-mythology. Iirc even before the ur-phoenix he was associated with the phoenix right? I do think he'll get it as a companion like teclis has celennar, although you could even say that he is the phoenix himself. I also remember hysh having a second moon besides celennar that could come up?

>>96229447
>complains about the diverse chuardin models but not the equally diverse (and infamously bitched about) chaos warriors
what
chuardin not having actual visual chaos elements is a legitimate grievance though

>>96229447
They have human faces which means 75% of them have to be niggers

>>96229447
>>Lizardmen updated are faithful to original
people here bitched about them having more metal armor and weapons
>>Slaves to Darkness Chaos Warriors are faithful to original
people here bitched about them having women
>>Undead skellies and zombies are faithful to original
people here bitched about them having more armor and not being generic enough respectively

>>96229466
Thats why I said the Chaos Warriors, implying the singular unit, not the shitty nu-chaos mauraders who are ugly as sin and DEI'd up.

>>96229442
yes, that's where the conversation started
the conversation is about whether using a dark elf symbol for slaanesh is common or not
and it really isn't, the one example brought up in one of slaaneshi twins representing a specifically exceptional connection to one dark elf character

now, are there any OTHER dark elf symbols you can see used in the slaanesh range?

>>96229447
to make you hero, hopefully it works out.

>>96229490
Do you even play this game
The chaos warriors kit literally includes woman heads

>>96229505
So I AM the hero then? I knew it...

>noon west coast hits
>thread gets shit up immediately by fags without painted models and no woman
Neet time I see, see ya guys tomorrow morning again when we can have a civilized thread without /pol/ shit

>>96229508
But they have enough helmets that they can all be men. Not so for many new kits. Plus the Chaos Warriors sprue is still a faithful upgrade to the original kit.

>>96229508
Ovbiously he doesn't.

>>96229447
Chorfs have two, maybe three pretty different aesthetics, that they also tried to give their own spin. I don't know how gw decides which ranges need 1 to 1 updates and which needs redesigns. I'm guessing because chorfs never sold that well they felt they needed to take a bit of risk. Then again high elves were immensely popular and they also went in sort of a different direction for them, so who knows.
Oh and skellies are pretty different no? At least as different as chorfs are.
>>96229419
Good shit anon
>>96229469
There's one (1) black dude among the chorfs and he's in underworlds. At least complain about the women.

>>96229522
>But they have enough helmets that they can all be men.
You are counting chickens before they hatch then because you don't know what the chuardin kits have in terms of heads

>>96229520
>everything I don't like is /pol/!!!!

Anon please kill yourself.

>>96229400
Seems to get stuck but I've gotten the paint to a somewhat decent state and it seems to be usable, at least in small amounts.

>>96229031
They should really make their own book for the mongolian sun chasers. Give them Snotlings, more gotta go fast and warmachines and maybe more beast. But GSG shouldnt have to share releases with them.

>>96229530
what exactly do you think that people actually mean when they say /pol/
hint: it's not "someone who specifically browses the /pol/ board enough to be considered a regular"; it just means "posts racebait and talks about 'DEI' and diversity constantly"

>>96229520
yeah sure its totally because its random dead hours usa.

>>96229528
Well they have female shields as well but we'll see how things turn out.

>>96229555
How is pointing out that GW are forcing DEI into the setting considered racebait? If they didn't want push back, they shouldn't have done it in the first place.

I wonder how much their chorf designs changed between the Slittaz and Horns of Hashut and the actual release

>>96229526
they probably went with a new aesthetic because

1: the old old aesthetic had a pretty strong undertone of racist caricature, which they are trying to remove from all of their IPs

2: the old new forgeworld line is probably going to be reboxed for the old world.

also anyone who isnt up for a whacky redesign is playing the wrong game to be honest. i dont know how anyone makes it this far into age of sigmar, with lumineth, kharadron, kruleboys, idoneth, fyreslayers, etc and think a 6th-8th ed whfb lookalike was anywhere on the table

>>96229585
I dont know but that design looks way different than what we got. I don't know what happened.

>>96229591
I don't see how the old design could be considered racist at all. Hell no one complained when the TWW3 DLC came out, and a lot of people got excited because they thought it would light a fire under GWs ass to take inspiration from how CA did it. Alas...we for...whatever the hell this is.

>>96229447
I didn’t know paint forced you to paint things a certain way

>>96229447
Never and i mean NEVER i will understand chorf complains...

Man, we were talking hobby and lore here and you just HAD to shit up the thread.

>>96229630
Probably because you are a midwit who wants all media to be the same grey slop and then move on to the next franchise to ruin.

>>96229622
I ended up on reddit and they sperged about the noses and antisemitism specifically.
But besides that GW really don't want to do overt historical influences anymore. Which is a shame because Mesopotamian aesthetics are very underutilized. Honestly I thought chorfs were one of the most unique WFB creations. A faction that wasn't just "Tolkien on steroids"

>wfb
>tolkein
I hate zoomers so much

>>96229652
>Mesopotamian aesthetics are very underutilized.
yeah because they suck.

>>96229652
That's a shame. Reddit fags should unironically be culled, in front of their families to send a message even

>>96229660
May you never have a bro like Enkidu in your life.

>>96229686
Wouldn’t the equivalent of that just be an android

>>96229642
You sound like a mad faggot and some kind of mentally ill individual, i just can pity you and your kind.

>>96229622
>I don't see how the old design could be considered racist at all.

...are you serious? they're practically taken 1 to 1 right out of old nazi racist propaganda

>>96229704
that's just how jews and assorted desert niggers actually look.

>>96229704
Big noses for fantastical creatures existed long before nazi propaganda schlomo.

>>96229658
Same, they're always posting about WHFB and playing TWW but never buying minis, and then expecting their opinions to be taken seriously.

>>96229622
>they thought it would light a fire under GWs ass to take inspiration from how CA did it.
apparently not after they saw the dlc sales numbers rofl.

>>96229704
That's not racist propaganda, that just depicts their true soul form.

>>96226569
>(I bought more models)
One must imagine Sisyphus happy

>>96229718
Isn't like a contradiction like X thing but be unwilling to support said X? Grogs did the same with Fantasy and that lead to it's dead. A dead they have been mourning decades.

>>96229447
so that the chorfs in TOW aren't range compatible with the AOS ones

>>96229836
See there is the issue though, is that there AREN'T any chorfs in TOW available for sale at all. I guarantee you they won't be releasing them either, save for maybe a rerelease of the FW kits and only those.

>>96229854
I really don't see it happening. Even when they still sold them for AoS a bunch of the molds like the skullcracker and deathshrieker rocket had already broken.

>>96229447
Has anyone made a comparison because it looks like they took Azgorh and gave them 3rd edition tophats ubiquitously to me

>>96229854
> I guarantee you they won't be releasing them either

thats what everyone said about every old world kit thats been brought back from the dead. old world is full of discontinued shit no one ever thought they'd bring back, thats kind of its whole shtick

>>96229886
I guess they could be keeping their options open for an eventual tow release down the line more faithful to the forgeworld release. Don't see that happening anytime soon though.

>>96229854
>I guarantee you they won't be releasing them either,
I wouldn't say never, but they're probably pretty far back, I'd guess that geedubs will want to add kislev after de-russifying then then go the the core armies, then the legacy armies that have as little crossover with AOS as possible, so I suspect we'll get chorfs before skaven, but skaven are at the complete bottom of the pile because any new models they add could also be used for AOS (unless the remove a clan equivalent from AOS)

>>96229577
It's not real pushback, you're just one guy who continues to fund them

>>96225387
>>96225401
I kinda wish they made his sword more worn and broken looking. I love the rotted blades of the newer skeletons.

>>96229922
It's honestly one of GW's stupidest mandates, the idea that armies must be entirely separate between game systems. Like why the fuck can't Beastmen exist in both games? Utter retardation.

>>96228483
Broken realms hints that he's fighting Tyrion.

>>96229962
Do you know how much it would cost to put two sets of bases in each box? Do you think they're running a fucking charity?

>>96229577
Araby does exist as seemingly the only area in the world with dark skinned humans. But there doesn't appear to be any black Africans anywhere in the Warhammer World, which makes me wonder where the fuck those guys came from.
I wouldn't be opposed to Chaos tribes at the southern tip of the Southlands being inspired by African tribes.

>>96229976
The funny thing is I would be fine with buying separate bases to avoid the retardation we have now.

>>96229923
What kind of bubble do you live in where you think complaining about DEI is a minority opinion?

>>96229992
he means among the people who matter.

>>96229962
Oh for sure, it's completely retarded, but untill that particular member (hopefully there's only one) of c-suite is attached to GW we're going to suffer for our sins, and sadly a lot of what they're doing indicates that the no straight cross-systeming is a core design choice, hence why I suspect skaven or liggers are aeons away from full refreshes in TOW, while elves or orcs could easily be mostly re-done with minimal cross-systeming

>>96229999
This kind of attitude is exactly why the western world's governments are all retarded and falling apart by the way.

>>96229704
Hashut, their Mesopotamian, not Canaanite, their the enemy of the Jews be they Assyrian, Babylonian, or Persian. Fuck all the dumbshits who just see jews and moslems as anything middle eastern, the true genocide that should be talked about is the one that ended Zoroastrianism, and Mesopotamian Culture.

>>96229660
May you forever be cursed with poor quality copper.

>>96230015
thankfully you're doing your part, complaining to randos on a forum dedicated to toys for man children.

How do you come up with an interesting paint scheme for an army that feels like it only lends itself one real style? I struggle to think of any colors for Nighthaunt that aren't just the basic color GW uses because it reads to me as peak spooky.

>>96229992
GW make record breaking profits every year.

>>96230085
GW themselves did made of blood and made of quicksilver alt shemes for them. It's jsut a metter of being creative, with an obvious shortcut of treating them like a liquid

>>96230085
white blood stained rags

>>96230085
they basically have these as schemes
>ethereal
>physical
>bloody
>metallic snowflakes
>blanchitsu/monochrome
>gimmicky OSL/fluo/vantablack
>themed with bits of other factions
>mixture of the above
but even within these you could play around quite a bit, say for example you fluff them as ghosts of the bog, you'd get to decorate the mostly empty bases with a lot of water effects and you could even apply the same dirt and tufts on their crooked backs, as if it's the swamp itself rising up to kill
or you could think about what to do with the robes first and foremost, maybe each ghost is wearing as robes the banners of some faction or the heraldic device of some nobles, maybe all the robes are the tattered pieces of an enormous map or spellbook (where you can get mad scrawling in coastlines and routes or texts and magic circles, all over an off-white paper colour), or maybe the robes are swen together flayed skins, or reflect the emptyness of the stars

>>96230085
The standard colour scheme is great but there's alternatives

>>96230085
bloody rags
actual flaming ghosts
radiant glow with green fluo
neon colours for 80s arcade feel

these are all valid designs

>>96230022
okay but the problem is they didnt look like this. they looked like racist propoganda caricature.

>>96230085
I think one anon painted them with yellow shrouds and checkered bases and it looked pretty good.

>>96230200
Oh my god just shut the fuck up you faggot. Why weren't you complaining about The Empire and Bretonnians looking like inbred morons with big stupid teeth and ugly faces? Because you are a faggot who lives on double standards.

>>96229469
The aelves never have this problem

>>96230015
Best to just mock the reddit colonists and move on. You can't argue with them, they're literally subhuman.

>>96229447
tbqh I wish Seraphon were less faithful to Lizardmen. As fun as aztec dino-riding dinos is, I want the fulfillment of the promise of lightning-blooded angel lizards.

Now that the dust has settled, why did the Helsmiths of Hashut flop?

>>96230085
I have seen a lot of ghots paintschemes with lots of creativity i think the key for not make them boring is to decorate them, blood, chains, glows...

>>96228109
>filename
kek

>>96230200
Meh I don't think ancient mesopotamian is a relevant enough aesthetic (nevermind an extant one) for there really being stereotypes.
The only thing that I can realistically see being 'problematic' is the hooked nose, it's not like tusks or ringed beards are a well-known racial stereotype or anything. Hell you can even see this in the forgeworld range, the noses are pretty normal sized, while the beards and tusks remain. It's not really a new decision at all honestly

Will Ironweld Engineers ever be able to buff Ironweld cannons again?

>>96230282
I can just tell some weird fetishist drew this.

>>96230380
they're gonna buff the mountain of rotting plastic sprues in the landfill behind nottingham soon.

>>96230282
I vastly prefer aztec lizards to angelic lizards, but I very much liked the idea someone presented of either having stormcasts that get reforged fused together with dracoths into dragonmen of some kind, or dracothion having his own race of humanoid dragonmen paladins that could fight side by side with stormcasts as additional units to their roster.

I also think this extra (sub)faction of not!lizardmen would hardly step on the feet of the classic lizardmen, and if anything it would serve to bridge the gap between the aesthetic and theme of stormcasts and the one of lizardmen who are technically amongst the closest allies to sigmar, weirdly enough, and have been since the first books of the setting, but they just don't look the part at all.

I also viscerally dislike the name seraphon for lizardmen, so I'd appreciate it a lot if it was actually the name of these true children of dracothion, and if lizardmen were called seraphon too only because azyrite scholars wouldn't know any better.

>>96230085
>pick 2 colors that fit together
>pick a color for wood and metal that fit the other two
Done, you got a good looking nighthaunt scheme

>>96230448
Second step is optional*

>>96230380
Yeh, in Spearhead only

>>96230428
they should give me an incan lizard subrace

>>96230311
Strange choice of aesthetic that doesn’t really appeal to old fans of Chorfs and seems to be part of a drive to attract Warcraft players into the game. Also the army box sucks.

>>96230224
> Why weren't you complaining about The Empire and Bretonnians looking like inbred morons

because they didnt do that? are you living in some madeup headcannon? because it sure seems like that

>>96230428
The dracothion stormcast lizards are pretty un-seraphon like and I think they would look out of place next to normal lizards (at least the image/description presented). I think they would fit better under stormcast, though honestly still seems kind of whack. Maybe warcry would be the best place for such a concept. I do agree on seraphon being kind of an odd name, I guess it fit better when they were full on constellation order demons.
>>96230488
Why is it that incan is such an unknown aesthetic compared to the more well-known pseudo-mesoamerican one. Is it just proximity to the us and therefore more cultural influence ?

>>96230488
how do you imagine them diverging from the "aztec" lizardmen?

>>96230550
Have you looked at the models anon. Legitimately.

>>96230395
A Japanese professional artist, so yes, you are correct.

>>96230521
If they wanted to appeal to warcraft players they should have done a draenei knockoff, another elf faction, or some kind of order furry race

>>96230488
>>96230556
I lowkey thought they had the same aesthetic I didn't know they were that different from one another. I thought they were like native Americans where they all share a lot of similar cultural queues

>>96230556
>they would look out of place next to normal lizards (at least the image/description presented). I think they would fit better under stormcast
That was the idea
Space lizards stay as they are in their own book
Dragonmen go with stormcasts in their book
They would stand side by side only if someone where to bring a regiment of renown for the other or a 2vs2 players scenario, and in that the dragonmen act as a sort of visual bridge between the lizards and the stormies

>>96230085
I like green tones for them

>>96230635
Based and Slimer-pilled.

>>96230617
I'm a yuro so I don't know too much about usa natives but incas/andeans are pretty distinct from the classic mesoamerican look. Square shields, copper axes, maces and halberds instead of obsidian macahuitls, the animal skin wearing isn't really a thing, etc.
Still some shared elements of course (feathers being a common theme) but once you get to know the two you really won't confuse one for the other.
>>96230622
It still feels kind of odd to me but I like the creativity. I would like for dracothion to be a little more present, instead of just providing this edition's stormcast mount flavour (which in 4th is morrda's job apparently)

>>96227629
Alright, took some time today to polish off Droggz. I'll be honest the checkerboards are not fantastic but from far enough away no one will ever be able to tell...

>>96230726
>once you get to know the two
Well there's the problem

>>96230577
yeah, they looked like any other normal historical models sculpted with 90s/00s level techniques.

>>96230783
I like the feathers and puffy shirts

>>96230783
I really wish I was home so I can post the shit that mogged what you posted back in the day

Nothing says Chaos Dwarf like pink sleeves

>>96230726
I'm still waiting to know more about the six smiths. Apperently Grungi's sons, the mother(s) unknown, build the entire fucking armoury of the Stormcast. Their names? We don't know. The reason they're content too this endless task? We don't know. What they did before? We don't know. Do they have kids or lives or friends or get fucking paid? We don't know. Why do they forge such specific items? We don't know. We know Stormcast get beast bonds to emphasize victories, but how do they know that? Does Sigmar send a divine bar code on his guys when they go back on up? Does some random Stormcast exist to tell them to make 500 more axes, because a new chamber is due to pop up?

Despite being the 6 most important beings in setting, we know nothing.

>>96230775
I find checkers and zigzag are way easier if you sketch them out super lightly in pencil or your bright colour and then do your first pass with thinned coat of your darker tone. Then you can erase your pencil marks and tidy up their edges and strengthen their midtone

>>96230085
When I was contemplating starting these in 2nd Ed I was gonna do cream cloaks with bronze metal & shades of azure for their bodies and ghostly effects.

>>96230838
Oooo that's a good idea, preciated anon. Side note, you think the gradient on his little sun... back... thingy(?) looks any good?

>>96230836
We actually do know one of their names : Ong, which is khazaliz for one. We can speculate that the others are then called Dwu, Dwe, Fut, Sak and Siz for 2-6 respectively, though we don't really know. Maybe we'll find out more about their mother once we get to know more about hashut and how relates to the other ancestor gods. And yeah the pseudo-mythology angle is a really fun one that I wish aos leaned in more. Yeah yeah mudcore is fine and all but give me some more of that higher than high fantasy shit. Sigendil and the sigmarabalum etc. Azyr in general deserves to be explored more. Hope the chorfs blow a giant fucking hole in its defenses so gw will be forced to flesh it out.

>>96230998
>mudcore is fine
I don't really like to see GW pushing it in AoS. I get why they do it, but I don't like it.

>>96230927
Ye looks good to me

>>96230085
I painted this Olynder as a one-off thing in a more of a jade/mint palette and I quite like her. I think these colors would look neat on an army, too.

>>96227921
That's not what secondary means. A secondary is someone who enjoys an IP primarily or exclusively through "secondary" aspects. Fanart, lore youtubers, cosplay porn, etc.

So a Warcraft fan who actually plays the mainline Warcraft games is, by definition, not a secondary. Even if they got into the series late or haven't played every entry

Ten years.

>>96231108
what a blunder

>>96231108
Not gonna lie. I kinda miss that SCE aesthetic but i think the evolution of AoS has been impressive from this hard beginning

>>96231099
It's pretty funny how secondary has basically morphed into this boards' 2025 equivalent of poser.

Anyway, nurgle has blightkings, slaanesh has myrmidesh, khorne has...wrathmongers and skullreapers (?), but what do you think GW will do for tzeentch's chosen-equivalent ? Curseling-style mutants ? Something even more chaos spawny ? tzaangor brutes ? They could go in a lot of different directions.

>>96231088
The blending is lovely

>>96231108
i will never forgive them.

>>96231162
Same, GW is bastard man

>>96231152
Tzeentch already got Enlightened tzaangors

>>96231162
I'm not sure it would have bothered me as much if their 3e tome hadn't been so delightful.

>>96231162
>got squatted twice within a single decade
Cosmically hilarious that gw's treatment of beasts matches the in-universe treatment by their gods. My heart goes out to all boc players.
>>96231191
Not really the same archetype are they

>>96231152
If they don't start giving Tzeentch proper chaos forces i don't know what they pretend to do with the faction. They need something resembling true Chaos warriors like pic related.

>>96231162
was this really needed? i mean they didnt even update the faction a single time, and they had a huge range that could be done in an appealing way.

why not even give them the chance? they had a fanbase. i mean, surely more than fyreslayers for example.

>>96231162
How is that related in any way?

>>96231221
As I understand it GW wants to separate the product lines of its games so they can better gauge the popularity and profitability of each individual IP. The TOW team wanted the model range and got it, meaning AoS couldn't keep it. It's just as simple as that.

>>96231217
>i don't know what they pretend to do with the faction
The plan is BUY THE FUCKING TZAANGORS PEASANT

>>96231221
>they had a fanbase. i mean, surely more than fyreslayers for example.
Less than Fyreslayers, actually.

>>96231221
Not to worry, the Greatfray of the Gavespawn™ will be part of the 6e launch box in 2030.
Featuring a more varied assortment of animals and aesthetics to draw from, to make them more visually distinct from old world goats n cows.

>>96231280
Yeah the same reasoning is why 40k players can't use Heresy stuff anymore, which I'm pretty sure hurt Heresy even more than whatever 3rd just did.

This is your Everchosen champion. Say something nice about her.

>>96231280
By that logic, aren't all the OW factions in danger?

>>96231352
I rather horns in my chaos woman.

>>96231353
Not if they have separate model ranges.

I wouldn't invest heavily in Ogors or Skinks, for example, unless GW refreshes their model ranges

She may not have hair, or eyes, but she has a great personality. How could you possibly dislike her?

>>96231378
One of these days anon, I expect some new material. I don't know where ya got it from but get more.

>>96231381
There's a whole world out there, I'm sure you can find more gold if you simply dig.

Got these done in about 2.5 hours. Gotta pick out the leaves after rhe wash dries, dry brush then paint the rims

Going to bed so I can be well-rested for my shift as the ball-crushing factory. Please post some Lummies so when I get back, balls swollen and miscolored from all the crushing, I can enjoy some cool pics.

>>96231508
unfortunately I am done painting orange boy bases tonight. and tomorrow is gonna be gorgeous here so I'm going biking. Hope your balls are a little less sore anon. Pic made me laugh.

I will hold the line for you though.

Does anyone have the big tortle and the new idk endless spell? Looking for a size comparison, also wanna get an idea of whether it can fit on the back for a uh…project.

>>96231642
Check on minicompare, dont know if the endless spell is there yet tho

>>96231642
Some random guy on a server im in has this for comparison

Does you vision get blurry after a long painting session. I just worked for about 4 hours and I'm seeing a double mouse on my screen and double letters on my keyboard.

>>96225313
This guy was just better

>>96229704
Because propoganda art is designed to make people look ugly and monstrous dumbass

>>96231703
Anon you might wanna take a rest, or you've been accidently huffing glue or paint fumes

>>96231688
fucking hell thats big. Yeah thats not gonna fit at all.

>>96231642
>>96231720
What were you thinking?

Anyone ever gotten a recast of this guy? Or know where I could get one at a decent price? Apparently it's the same size as Krondspine.

>>96231751
Oh hot damn, the need to get that turtle is rising significantly.

>>96231704
Honestly all Khorne mortal models are great

>>96231704
You have to be fucking retarded to discontinue something like this guy

>>96231768
The multipart kits for Blood warriors and Reavers suffer somewhat from fantasy multipart sensabilties, monopose ones are just better

>>96231774
This is cope. BIG COPE.

but maybe they're making them exclusive to the next war-cry iteration?

>>96231774
>>96231779
I swear sometimes I really wonder what James do with their model production

>>96231359
That's a nice model, but what's the deal with her spear?

>>96231774
So cool. Does he still have rules?

>>96231892
Nope, they condensed Aspiring deathbringer, Exalted deathbringer, and Exalted deathbringer with spear into a single Deathbringer profile

>>96231898
Lame, but I still might pick one up.

Uh that's a lot of updates what the heck changed.

>>96231916
I still can’t find where the changes are

>>96231931
I found it, it's all listed in the Rules Updates document, the vast majority of the changes are just cleaning up the rules terminology.

>>96231717
Just a little eye strain. I didn't glue anything today.

>>96231774
>>96231704
Truthnuke. They were retarded to discontinue them.

>>96231402
Anon why is that spear so fkn long

Hey, does anyone have the two 2nd edition Lumineth PDFs? I say two PDFs because two Lumineth books came out in the second edition.

>>96232097
It's 4 inches so they could fight in like 3 ranks with 32mm but now everyone has the same melee range

So now that the leak confirmed that AoS is just a roundabout way to fund Warhammer Fantasy for some of the higher ups, why are we still investing in this system?

>>96232132
what leak?

>>96232132
Because not everyone sees your schizophrenic delusions anon. Go back to tending your labubu.

Now that the dust has settled, why did Skaventide flop?

>>96232143
>Go back to tending your labubu.
Holy shit that was actually funny

are we being raided again? really? give it a fucking rest

>>96232157
Cuz that's what the Skaven are made to do
Flop

>>96232157
I think it was a combination of factors. Mainly lower than expected demand. Despite being limited edition box it flooded the market relative to people who wanted to buy it. You’d think after dominion they would have learned.

>>96232143
Kek

there any tomb banshee proxies out there from third party sources? Dont really wanna field, just need it for decoration.

>>96232157
Dual faction starter boxes are just a bad, outdated idea that only appeal to "I NEED THE NEWEST THING' consoomers. Not everyone has someone to split a box with, and even if they do then only one person can keep the core book. The 40k boxes only work because the contain Space Marines.

>>96232157
Because people is fucking tired of seeing Stormcasts in the initial box of an expansion. Is time to shift the fucking focus.

>>96232535
Stormcasts are not space marines, thats pretty much it.
GW wants to make them such, because if you have space marines, you can make the starter boxes that are desired by 85% of your audience.
Stormcasts vs skaven box will be interesting to SC players, and Skaven players, togethere it like what? 15% max?

Grand alliances will make a return in 5th. Soup, will be allowed, and you will get exclusive units in grand alliances. Trust the plan.

Also monsters will become dynamic terrain upon being slayed, kinda like how tanks worked in 40K 4th edition.

>>96232157
AOS is not as popular as GW think it is

>>96231774
I missed out on this release but just checked out the store. What the fuck they squatted so many good models.
The bearded dude with the spear was one of my favorites.
Fucking why?

>>96232772
Its a bummer that they aren't selling it anymore, but the aspiring deathbringer and the two exalted deathbringers were officially rolled into the deathbringer warscroll. So they are not being sent to legends, and will honestly probably see more play now.

Honestly how the swords equal to the spears at all? The spears are daemon powered and have reach, the swords have neither of those.

>>96233197
10 year olds might put the models together wrong anon so the majority of the player base can’t have weapon options

>>96233210
these ones will have though

>>96233224
They haven’t shown anything in gameplay terms yet. More likely it’ll be two separate warscrolls

>>96231341
gavespawn shouldn't be about animals, just an army of spawns and bigger spawns and smaller spawns and winged spawns led by a spawn prince

>>96233197
>>96229622
the handles and the beard look like they have the same texture

>>96233335
Honestly the moldlines are going to be a bitch. Just like with stormcast spears.

>>96233197
I'm simply not expecting the two weapon options to have different rules

the reveal article mentions units and equipment options very clearly, look at the different emphasis between these
>Within these ironclad daemon engines burns an inferno of tormented daemon-matter, and the malice of those entities leaks from their eyes in hateful waves. They can be armed with bane maces or immolation cannons – and either option will guarantee a bad time for the foe.
>Another kit with dual options, the Infernal Razers bring fire support to the Helsmiths. This set of five models can be built with either Grizmalok blunderbusses or Karagthrun flamehurlers – and both are utterly deadly.
meanwhile
>The black heart of the Zharrdron warhosts are formed of Infernal Cohorts. Drawn in the main from the stock of the royal clans, the finery and pomp these duardin clad themselves in does not detract from their pitiless martial skill. Many of their regiments take to battle wielding spears ablaze with daemonic energy, forming a wall of death that advances to the sound of arcane gongs and grinds down the foe without mercy.

the demonic power up will be in a generic rule for the unit and the difference between spear and sword will be purely decorative, I can bet on it

So apparently chorfs hate hammers but what's with the lack of axes?

>>96233378
The hating hammers thing is giga retarded when their whole thing is forging

>>96233385
I'm fine with their units generally not using them because it doesn't really fit their theme but yeah it's still retarded to apply to the whole faction.

>>96233240
Two warscrolls from one kit is options

>>96232143
>Go back to tending your labubu.
fucking kek, good one

Any good Maggotkin colorschemes outside of shades of green and brass?

>>96233430
Pure white skin with orange boils + black armor

Now that the dust has settled, why did kurnothi flop?

>>96233378
they hate* hammers because it's a symbol of grugni, so the only hammers they use are in the hands of slaves or are "reconsecrated" to hashut with blood sacrifices and used by officials
most probably the same is valid for axes too, as symbols of grimnir


*I'd not say they hate the things themselves, as much as they would probably have a very different ethic about work and tools, normal dwarfs treat their tools more or less with reverence, each of them is a work of personal artifice and the use of the tools is always seen as important and noble as the worker using those tools
meanwhile it's likely for the chaos dwarfs to see tools as tools, see them mass produced without the 'soul' of a maker, and forced in the hands of slaves who must do the work for you because you order them to, not because they're capable or because they take that duty
in time the chaos dwarfs would likely separate themselves from the "tools of the slave" and and instead build their culture around different symbols first, returning back to the hammer and axe only in a new recontextualised way
maybe the hammer, when used as symbol of office or the priesthood isn't valued as the tool of a maker, but perhaps the tool of an unmaker, like a satanist would use christian imagery specifically to subvert it, while perhaps the axe, may not be seen as a tool of a warrior, a defender, but as the weapon of the executioner, or the defiler of nature
there are certainly angles and nuances they can explore and that I'm sure they will not explore

Where do I find the pdf's for the 3rd edition battletomes? All the links out there are dead

>>96233461
the cooler models in there have helmets, masks or some other way to cover their faces

clearly all kurnothi should wear a face-covering mask, if not an animal mask, especially in the case of the satyrs
fuck beastmen anyway, extinct little shits

>>96233467
fucking tastlet

>>96233368
>the demonic power up will be in a generic rule for the unit and the difference between spear and sword will be purely decorative, I can bet on it
Anon they literally said on stream that the swords and spears have different abilities.

>>96233464
How come the basic unit champion is the cover

>>96233491
Do they have any other champions coming with the first wave?

>>96233491
Khorne just has a bloodwarrior. I don't evne tink it's the champion one

>>96233491
it's not that rare for battletomes/codexes to feature front and center a basic trooper

especially when said troopers are a microcosm of the design cues and themes of the faction already

>>96233505
Daemonsmiths, the despot, the metal bale taurus

Holy shit Wood Elf bros it's happening! Kurnothi are going to be eating well now!

>>96233520
it's dead, jim

Mogged

>>96233461
They've literally only ever had one release so it's impossible to gage whether they would "flop" or not as an army.

>>96225254
This model still looks good and still fits the aesthetic of the current range, if this model came out today you wouldn't even notice the difference. Still though... what's with GW updating an entire range minus one model i.e Saurus old blood on foot, clawlord ect

>>96233551
I legit prefer the one we got on the right.

>>96233551
>>96233566
Yeah, I kind of also love the actual model even if I think it needs another paint scheme

>>96233461
Surely one army with orange mohawks is enough

>>96233551
Dunno, I like both for different reasons, I expect a lot of overlap, but predominantly an use of the dominator in trench crusade
plastic is just too convenient for conversions

>>96233466
https://files dot fm/u/nzxkx5mgee

>Gitmob have vultures
>KB have vultures
>KB have Gitmob looking Grots with a Spear Chukka
hmmmmm

Gholemkind when

>>96233630
>>KB have Gitmob looking Grots
no, they don't
the goblins in kruleboys don't have any of the design cues of the goblins in gitmob and instead have their own weird faces

also ogres have vultures and actually have similar design cues to kruleboy shit on the scraplauncher

>>96233551
The left one isn't even a construct, it's just a minotaur and mostly bare flesh

>>96233630
>>Gitmob have vultures
where?

>>96233660
shaman hat

>>96233679
that's not a vulture, that bird got no neck

>>96226739
Well that is just NuUnderworlds for you. In old edition they would have at least an ability and a upgrade or plot card about themselves (probably with the poison keyword)

>>96233696
>humpelschuft

I want to play dwarfs.
I want to play AoS.
Most fun faction?

>>96233714
I really like that specific shade of orange/red beard
Trollslayer orange which they recommend is much brighter, which is nice in its own way.
Not sure what paint to use for something like that

>>96232107
>2nd edition Lumineth PDFs
first 2020
litter.catbox.moe/5peyp2okfe6a9lbx.pdf
second 2021
files<dot>catbox<dot>moe slash plzd6x<dot>pdf

>>96233696
I'd give him a -1 to hit debuff to whatever non-monster he damages, to reflect the models getting high off fungal secretions

>>96233714
Skaven

>>96233714
Chorfs

Anyone got a scan of the 4th edition Idoneth Deepkin Battletome? Or the Gloomspite Gitz one?

>>96233778
how does he put on that armor

>>96233782
Likely straps together at the sides, probably along and under the ribs.

>>96233787
it clearly doesn't, it's a metal croptop

>>96233778
>4th edition Gloomspite Gitz one?
files<dot>catbox<dot>moe slash e603kx<dot>pd

>>96233794
>>96233782
How do you put on a t-shirt you dumb fuck?

>>96233797
pdf*

>>96233798
Anon you can't be serious.
Please tell me you're pretending to be retarded.

>>96233797
Love you anon

Anyone got the IDK 3e book?

>>96233821
see >>96233626
lazy ass

>>96233821
>IDK 3e
files<dot>catbox<dot>moe slash 4nkiqy<dot>pdf

>>96233821
https://files.catbox.moe/7kiz7l.pdf

>>96233798
How many rigid metal tshirts do you own?
It's magic bro it doesn't make sense, AoS is stupid

>>96233825
Didn't expect to find a link in this thread tbf
>>96233826
>>96233827
Thanks all

I vaguely remember some kind of tutorial on how to paint idoneth armor like pearl, it involved an off white and a whole bunch of shades. I can't seem to find anything like it though, was it just some kind of fever dream? An anon's post lost to time?

>>96233840
this one?

>>96233851
The very one, thanks.

>>96233849
You have to chase that Sun, Anon.

Any truth to the idea that Age of Sigmar is unpopular and slowly dying? I just collect the Figures, don't get to see how many people are collecting and playing

>>96233874
No

>>96233782
idoneth have cartilaginous bones and the insides of their armors are covered in suckers and other adhesive critters

>>96233874
Locally in some places? Sure. But not as a whole.

>>96233893
>The Idoneth are actually the fish bonded to the Akhelian piloting a reinvigorated but soulless Namarti husk around and directing the faction

>>96233874
I saw some guys get shot by the manager after trying to play aos at my lgs. It's hard out there bros.

>>96233877
Phew. I thought it might die because of how few people care about it and how uninteresting the lore is before I ever got to play my Armies in a game.

>>96233830
Looking back at the other akhelians they've always had this problem so I guess I can't give the new one too much shit for it

>>96233874
yeah my discord said GW are scrapping it in 2026 but Warcry and Underworlds will remain as they sell well

>>96233874
>Any truth to the idea that Age of Sigmar is unpopular and slowly dying?
Not really, no.
Speculations regarding what may or may not have been said in-between the lines of the investors reports whenever GW mentions age of sigmar would suggest that it's never quite matching the performance they expect it to have for the resources they throw at it, but that's always been the problem of the fantasy side of things at gw (or for anything that isn't space marines really), and that's also far from saying the earnings from it aren't still positively in the green and more than enough for them to keep working on it and expanding it.
Especially because at the end of the day their aim is to build a game and an ip, and the latter is a very long term effort.

THERE'S A NEW THREAD
>>96233974
>>96233974
>>96233974
IT'S A CHRISTMAS MIRACLE

NEW THREAD
>>96233983
>>96233983
>>96233983
THIS IS THE FIRST NEW THREAD OF THE DAY, NO PREVIOUS THREADS WERE MADE

>>96233561
He does look noticeably chunkier than others. But otherwise he does fit the look. I wish his sword was older looking and more rotted though.

>>96233551
They really should have used a deep red for the fire instead of green. It looks weird.

>>96233906
You have no models