Thread 96234083

>previously in 40k
>The Emperor (ultra-meta-genius) didn't invent nor create a lot of things that previous editions said He created
>ruins His relationships with half of His Sons cuz... (bad writing)
>Terminus Decree revealed
>kill The Reborn Emperor, The Star Child, The Savior / Mithras of Mankind and its Last Chance
GW's ThEmperorphobia MUST STOP!

https://youtu.be/3GvD1u04wD4?feature=shared

Horus Heresy 2.0

Faggots advertising their youtube slop should stop first.

>>96234087
The Chaos God of Bad Writing is the real enemy.

>>96234112
I don't like Arch, but sometimes (few) he has a point.

Only imperiumfags had a problem with this, makes perfect sense to me
>if the emperor leaves the golden throne the imperium instantly collapses
>custodes are fags who would never do what needs to be done
>grey knights ordered to do so
Of course imperialfags, mostly being 80iq Redditors, just start power scaling using their knowledge from YouTube shorts.

This lore is good, especially for its purpose of highlighting how retarded and degraded the 40K fanbase has become

>>96234083 (OP)
Blame Hooker Hearsay for turn the Emperor into both a self-insert faggoty reddit atheist AND a stand-in for every writer's daddy issues at the same time. HH made the Emperor so insufferable that seeing him eternally clowned on is just funny instead depressing

>>96234228
It's retarded because they literally forget their own lore. Vulcan rigged the golden throne to blow and vaporise Terra should the Emperor leave the throne. So where are they supposed to return him to?

>>96234228
Why would The Emperor order the Grey Knights to keep Him in the Golden Throne if His Ascension means the Triumph of Mankind?

>>96234255
How was The Emperor before HH?

>>96234260
Kek, this. If emps is removed from the throne in whatever way, the Talisman of Seven Hammers makes sure there is no throne (or Terra) left to place him back onto.
the whole thing is retarded, because it ignores old lore, and also doesn't make sense in itself. if emps foresaw some futures where he gets off the throne and shit gets fucked, he'd also know in which way he's getting off the throne, which would allow him to give them some hints on how to put him back on it.
it is also locking the imperium in on one single route. if emps ever sees a better option that requires him to get his ass up, he'd instantly have 1k grey knights trying to chain him back onto it and ruin his new plans.
and it is reasonable to assume that they'd somehow be capable of doing it, because if not, giving them the order to do it would be non-sensical.

the only way how this order makes any damn sense is if it's just emps ordering 1000 space marine psykers to suicide themselves in his throne room so he can feast on their power as some kind of emergency infusion.

>>96234320
Distant, mysterious, and godlike.

It's kind of hard to maintain that aura when you lose babby's first atheist argument against babby's first defense of Christianity

>>96234228
>throne has been rigged to blow if Emperor dies/leaves it
>there is also decently high chance that solar system will get turned into Eye of Terror 2 if emp dies/leaves the throne unattended
>nobody knows how to build or even properly maintain the golden throne
Mind telling us how exactly Grey Knights are supposed to get the Emperor back on the golden toilet if he ever (somehow) decides to leave?

>>96234260
Obviously this is not enough, so the emperor needs to grey knights to restrain whatever insane warp entity emerges from his almost-corpse
>>96234316
Because it doesn’t, the imperium collapses without him on the throne
>>96234446
My bet is a psychic maguffin that the helmetless grey knight mc would heroically sacrifice to activate

>>96234260
>Emperor just psychically deactivates the bomb with his god powers

>>96234316
Because the Emperor isn't ascending into anything but a fifth Chaos God. He's already playing the Great Game, he already has angelic daemons to serve him (like Samus). If the Emperor leaves the Throne, he'll be a walking avatar of the Dark King. He might be so powerful he can even hold Terra together in spite of leaving the Golden Throne. For all we know, the Throne is the only thing draining enough of his power to keep him relatively mortal and if he gets off of it, he instantly ascends to godhood.

>>96234328
>Big E awakens
>simply rips open a warp rift and tosses the Talisman of the Seven Hammers into it before he gets off the throne
lol

What was the point of revealing the Terminus Decree?

>>96234586
To drum up discussion and create a simmering tension between Custodes and Grey Knights. Technically it was already there, just subtler. They almost went to war with each other over the daemonic invasion of Terra because the Grey Knights were busy helping Guilliman arrive on Luna while the Imperial Palace was under attack, and the Custodes considered this a direct violation of their command as the highest authority in the Imperium (which the Grey Knights don't serve anyways lol)

>>96234260
Sometimes it's good to have contingency plans.

>>96234083 (OP)
This is because you're a lorelet.
>The Emperor (ultra-meta-genius) didn't invent nor create a lot of things that previous editions said He created
Because that's the fucking trick of Warhammer's setting. THE IMPERIUM IS A LIE DOWN ITS FOUNDATION.
The God Emperor was just a powerful psyker, but an otherwise fallible human being. He wasn't a god. He wasn't all knowing. He wasn't all powerful. He was some petty warlord from humanity's forgotten homeworld (maybe) who conquered a shattered galaxy after it collapsed from a golden age.

>ruins His relationships with half of His Sons cuz... (bad writing)
Because he was a terrible human being and a terrible father. He made a bunch of supersoldiers that mainly existed to be weapons, then decided that these weapons were his children and filled them with delusions of grandeur.

>>kill The Reborn Emperor, The Star Child, The Savior / Mithras of Mankind and its Last Chance
Because you all don't get the fucking metaphor. So they're making it more blunt.
THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANITY TO THRIVE IS FOR THE EMPEROR AND THE IMPERIUM TO DIE.
They killed off most things like The Star Child because rather than the player taking the message of "the empire must die for a new future to be born", they took the message of "the emperor has to die on the throne and then emerge three days later from a cave."

>>96234083 (OP)
the new Terminus Decree lore is the ultimate midwit filter and only secondaries who watch jewtube videos on 40k lore don't understand why it makes sense.

>>96234629
>>96234674
Both of these.

>>96234083 (OP)
The Star Child isn't part of the decree, only the portion of the Emperor that is on the throne.
>>96234674
Star Child is canon, it is the portion of himself that he cast into the warp before facing Horus.

>>96234083 (OP)
Who the fuck likes the Gray Knights, anyway? They're such a boring faction. Their lore and character is so goddamn generic. They're just really boring.

>>96235337
>Who the fuck likes the Gray Knights, anyway?
Me
>They're such a boring faction.
They are one of the least boring factions actually
It also isn't fair to judge them on the same level as other factions that are in the spotlight because of how much GW have neglected the Grey Knights.

>>96235388
They're literally not even characters, they're just a plot device.
If you need deus ex machina retards to fix a problem, you just send in the gray knights to fix it as a handwave. They don't really have character or personality beyond their function as a gay plot device for hack writers.
Even the Terminus Decree; ultimately, what is it? Just another gay plot device for the gay plot device faction, wow.
That's literally the only purpose of the gray knights. They just totally suck.

>>96235337
>Who the fuck likes the Custards, anyway? They're such a boring faction. Their lore and character is so goddamn generic. They're just really boring.
ftfy

>>96235424
>They're literally not even characters, they're just a plot device.
Custodes
>If you need deus ex machina retards to fix a problem, you just send in the gray knights to fix it as a handwave.
Custodes
>They don't really have character or personality beyond their function as a gay plot device for hack writers.
Custodes

>>96235427
>>96235562
Okay, the custodians are worse.
And?
The gray knights still suck ass. Dogshit is still dogshit even when compared to rotten dogshit.

>>96235664
>Okay, the custodians are worse.
Great, thanks for conceding the argument. Have a nice day.

>>96234586
There wasn't, it was a fun little mysterybox for autists to speculate over and should have stayed that way. Not every mystery needs to be revealed, especially when the answer is always a complete let down compared to the fan theories

>>96234674
Which is following the redditor writing style of "fuck myth and shit" that burns every company that tries it.

>>96235675
Check what I said a second time, and see where the fuck I even mentioned the custodes.
You're just a schizophrenic having a whole other conversation entirely in your own mind, or with a different guy somewhere else in the thread and you're just too stupid to not conflate us.

>more grey knights lovers at GW self-inserting them into places they don't need to be
>more space marine capeshit interfering with the based custodes faction lore
i'm tired
Hopefully someone less retarded retcons/explores the idea further and the end result is the grey knights going "How the fuck can we defeat 10,000 Custodes? Fuck this I'm going to Terra and talking to their leader because I can't think of anything more stupid than attempting to invade an entire planet built to stop anyone getting to where the Emperor would be. And fuck it, tell Gulliman as well if anyone is going to have an idea of what to do it'll be him."

>>96235773
Cuckstodes are the definition of capeshit. They've even hit the M-She-U arc of being phased out for ugly, unlikable girlbosses

>>96235790
I like them doing their job on terra and being something other than rah rah marines brother this brother that, being an example of the potential of mankind and not mutant abominations like marines. I would have preferred them to never be a tabletop faction.

>>96235886
But they ARE mutant abominations. They're literally just Marines+. Or Diet Marines, depending on how you look at it.

>>96234083 (OP)
>ARCH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx5mSBlLWsM

>>96235886
>my mutant abominations are better than your mutant abominations
At least the Astartes are aware they're monsters. The Custodes are something worse-delusional about their own purpose and nature. They legitimately think themselves the greatest of humanity's potential, while lacking the ability to ever defy the greatest mutant abomination of all.
The Emperor of Mankind, the 12 foot tall hyper psychic mutant who enslaved all of humanity.

I'm just confused as to why he would tell the chaos daemon fighting faction to do something unrelated to fighting chaos daemons

>>96235955
>I'm just confused as to why he would tell the chaos daemon fighting faction to do something unrelated to fighting chaos daemons
Because the Emperor is turning into a Chaos God.

This doesn't even really matter. It won't be mentioned at all until the NEXT grey knights codex comes out and retcons something else so youtubers can make another round of ragebait videos for you to get mad at.

>>96236276
I'm surprised the soft reveal in the HH series that the Grey Knights are loyalist Thousand Sons hasn't exploded all over youtube yet.

>>96234083 (OP)
This Archcast person truly doesn't understand the story or the Emperor.

>>96234083 (OP)
It appears he actually appeals to children or the mentally deficient.

>>96234228
You ate not smart

>>96234083 (OP)
Emeperor was never meant to be a saviour figure of 40k

>>96234674
>He wasn't a god. He wasn't all knowing. He wasn't all powerful.
He could see the future. Everything he did was out of necessity.
>THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANITY TO THRIVE IS FOR THE EMPEROR AND THE IMPERIUM TO DIE.
What the fuck?
Humanity is evolving into a race that is far more psychically sensitive than the eldar. They risk creating a warp storm that encompasses the entire galaxy. That's why emps was trying to use the webway; he wanted to shelter humanity until they could harness their own power.
The only way to truly defeat chaos is to kill all remaining humans. Deleting the imperium would only accelerate the downfall of humanity.

>>96239482
>Everything he did was out of necessity.
Pic unrelated?

>>96239490
No.
>*The hubris..* Ra couldn't fight the insidiously treacherous thought, to see the hidden depths of his master's ambitions. *The sheer, unrivaled hubris.*
>+The necessity.+ The emperor's voice was iced iron. +Not arrogance. Not vainglory. Necessity. I have already told you, Ra. Humans need rulers. Now you see why. A single murder is on one end of the spectrum, for rulers bring law. The hope of the entire race is at the far end of the continuum, for I - as ruler - bring salvation.+

>>96239496
>No.
>words-words-words
>my vision
>I can at last shepherd
Yep. It's definition of hubris. Just one mutants decided to drag the whole human race to fullfill his fantasies.
Same as Magnus

>>96234083 (OP)
>archnigger
kys

>>96234083 (OP)
>Arch
Jesus, is it 2015 again?

>>96239511
>Hurr hurr I'm a dumb nigger and I suck cock

Ward apologist.

>>96239511
>Same as Magnus
Magnus didn't drag humanity out of the ashes of the DaoT.
Emps had a vision. He was right about everything. The only mistake he made was making a deal with chaos.

>>96234112
Sup bunkertranny, still seething?

>>96234228
>>if the emperor leaves the golden throne the imperium instantly collapses
Just as it was collapsed during great crusade when he wasn't.

>>96239453
>You ate not smart
Well I hope he calls poison control!

My buddy has the theory this change is to kill off the grey knights the task is suicidal for them and 100% to fail they are more dangerous and autonomous then other space marines this is just a contingency thing, I think thats 100% not what GW was going for but who knows the only part of me that agree with his theory is the fact I think they want remove all marinlets and make more primaris the GK were the bigger batman till the current real absolute bigger batman marines came out

>>96234674
>Muh unreliable narrator
This is the classic reddit copout for everything so that they can insert their own headcanon

>>96239638
Why would it kill off the GKs? The Terminus Decree is never going to happen unless they blow the whole setting up, which is still decades off from even being a consideration since they can easily juice marinepiggies with a new returned primarch every few years. The problem is that it was a mystety box that was never supposed to be opened but they've gone and opened it and given tge most flaccid reveal ever.

The funny thing is "sit the Emperor back down on his throne" isn't even a terrible contingency operation for the GKs to have and nobody would be bitching about it if it was revealed as just one of the many things GKs are prepared to do. But it being THE Terminus Decree, the last desperate gambit the GKs would only dare enact if all hope seems lost, is just a massive letdown. And I say that as someone who generally finds GKs pretty fucking lame, so I can imagine how much worse it hits if you actually like them.

It'd be a bit like if they revealed what's the golden glow in the suitcase of Pulp Fiction, and it's just a coupon for a free grand slam at Denny's.

>>96234465
>Because it doesn’t, the imperium collapses without him on the throne
Imperium shattering would be only better for humanity as a whole.
It's canon fact that the Imperium is slowly driving humanity into extinction with its own actions.
Emperor getting off the throne and causing the Imperium to destroy itself leaves a new human empire to take its place.
Yeah, couple of hundred trillions humans will die because of it, but they will replaced by the quadrillions that come after them.

>>96239482
>He could see the future.
Still doesn't make him a god or all knowing or all powerful.
Eldar farseers do the same shit and they regularly fuck up and the universe just bends them over.

>>96239716
>Still doesn't make him a god or all knowing or all powerful.
He's pretty close to being the God of Tyranny.

>>96239722
But still isn't. That's the point.

I liked it better when the emperor was dead.

>>96234674
>THE ONLY WAY FOR HUMANITY TO THRIVE IS FOR THE EMPEROR AND THE IMPERIUM TO DIE.
Just completing the dune ripping off that was begun so long ago.

>>96239695
>THE Terminus Decree, the last desperate gambit the GKs would only dare enact if all hope seems lost, is just a massive letdown.
Yes, the fact it was presented a some of desperate weapon to use only in the most desperate and to be revealed as only a post-it saying "Big E must stay in the big chair" make it more ridiculous.

>>96239708
>Tyranid are devouring the galaxy
>Chaos cut the galaxy in half
>Ork are going rampant
>Necron are awakening
>Let's destroy the thing with enough logistic and military power to kept those threat at bay, I'm sure it will work.

>>96239851
Emperor can BTFO literally all of those with his pinky finger alone.
Just get him off the throne.

>>96239533
>Magnus didn't drag humanity out of the ashes of the DaoT.
Neither did the Emperor.
There were shitton of DAoT and new human societies which all were destroyed by Imperium
>He was right about everything.
Yeah except of every single step which he made to satisfy his vanity. From banning religion to creating primarchs and space marines

>>96239851
>>Tyranid are devouring the galaxy
Geee I wonder who invited them
>>Chaos cut the galaxy in half
Geee I wonder who gave them so many servants
>>Ork are going rampant
>>Necron are awakening
And that's why Fire Caste exists.

>>96239638
>The grey knights try to enact the decree
>Newly made All-Primaris Chapters stop them dead and rip them to absolute shreds
>Grey Knights are largely destroyed except for a few named characters who stayed loyal to the Imperium and get a Primaris surgery
>Now emptied GK ranks are filled with Primaris, and they come back "Better and purer of purpose than ever"
Kino. The chuddies would seethe for years.

>>96234674
No. You're just choosing to believe the "history" in the HH novels which is just a bunch of incoherent nonsense and not true by GWs own admission.

>>96239899
>to believe the "history" in the HH novels
Main moments and nuances of the HH novels reprinted in the tabletop HH

>>96239638
Primaris grey knights would be bigger-er-er batman or batman4. Truly a release that marine players would eat up.

>>96239881
>Geee I wonder who invited them
The Pharos device made by the Necrons did.
What, you think it was the Astronomicon? At best that's just made sure they sent a few more scout fleets.
>Geee I wonder who gave them so many servants
Pre-Imperium Humanity did. Without the Imperium the Eye of Terror would have exploded millennia ago.
>And that's why Fire Caste exists.
The Tau would have been wiped out a long while ago without the Imperium keeping the entire sector from being overrun by Gorgon, ironically. And like the many Xenos that came before (and after) them, they're doomed all the same. Their low psychic potential means they're pretty defenseless against a significant chunk of the galaxy's threats.

>>96239917
Besides being wiped out the Tau are also just an Eldar puppets thanks to the Ethereals. And if the Ethereals ever went, it would all immediately go to shit.

>>96239917
>The Pharos device made by the Necrons did.
That was set off during the Horus Heresy by primarchs having tantrum at each other over who loves daddy's cock more.

>>96239907
Which is still not reliable considering GWs line "everything is canon, nothing is true". Until they rescind that statement you can pretty much ignore anything you don't like as unreliable narration.

>>96239914
>>96239892
Would we get a primaris baby carrier, ie a baby carrier for the baby carrier that inexplicably has hovershoes and heavy stubbers all over it?

>>96239851
Aeldari hands typed this post.

>>96239925
>That was set off during the Horus Heresy
It was also set off repeatedly and often during the Necron's heyday. Sorry, Anon, but the Fleets were coming regardless.

>>96239933
I hope so because that sounds funny as fuck

Question, aside from Ork Waaagh belief, is there other ways to reality warp in 40k other than using Warp energy?

>>96239917
>The Pharos device made by the Necrons did.
And who decided to use as Astronomicon?
>Pre-Imperium Humanity did.
Yeah remember all those pre-Imperium Space Marines legions.
>The Tau would have been wiped out a long while ago without the Imperium keeping the entire sector from being overrun by Gorgon,
More cope

I just think the whole thing is retarded. Putting aside the Custodians, the Imperial Palace also has the sisters of silence who are anti psyker specialists, the assassinorum (which would probably activate because the GK wouldn't explain why they are at the Palace because they're secretive as all hell) has frozen eversors at their disposal which in a hostile takeover and with the grand masters approval can be all activated and was last seen used after the war of the beast when the former grand master killed all the high Lords and then a strike force of sable swords, Imperial fists and halo brethern had to deal with, the countless meat shield humans and the Lucifer Blacks which for all intensive purposes are like scions. Also if memory serves isn't there a titan legio on Tera?

When you put all that together, logically speaking that amount would be hard for the Grey Knights to deal with because yeah sure amazing psychic powers are good but that's an awful lot of things you have to get through, two of which are nullifying your connection to the warp thanks to being pariahs (Culexus Assassins and Sisters of Silence)

>>96239987
>sisters of silence who are anti psyker specialists
And also tasked with keeping Astronomicon up and running

>>96239940
Sorry xenocuck, nothing your faction did actually mattered. It was all primarchs.

>>96239985
>But muh astronomicon
Doesn't matter, they were already coming.
>Yeah remember all those pre-Imperium Space Marines legions.
Chaos Space Marines make up a vanishingly rare proportion of Chaos. During the Age of Strife, Chaos was literally at what might be its peak thanks to the birth of Slaanesh at the time.
>C-cope
Non argument detected, concession accepted.

>>96240003
>they were already coming.
Except they weren't.
>Chaos Space Marines make up a vanishingly rare proportion of Chaos.
And spearhead of Chaos assualt.
>Non argument detected
>says alt-right
Projecting much aren't we?

>>96240008
>Except they [headcanon]
Disregarded.
>And spearhead of Chaos assualt
Assault*, try speaking english, pablo.
>P-projection?
Kek, always fun seeing an ESL who doesn't know what a word means. QQ moar.

>>96240003
>Chaos Space Marines make up a vanishingly rare proportion of Chaos
Lolnope they're the bulk of its army and more marines fall every day

>>96240062
>Lolnope they're [headcanon]
Disregarded.

>>96240022
>>Except they [headcanon]
>says a guy who ignores HH
Okay lol
>no arguments from alt-kek

>>96234330
Well, technically Jesus Christ was one of His Avatars (like many other Gods, heroes, saints) and Christianity (like many other religions) a corruption of His Teachings.

You can read how Catherism (30k's Catholicism) is basically: The Emperor = God.

The Emperor explains why is wrong to have idols and why you must instead trust in the achievements of our own species.

I don't see this as something from Reddit, but a core part of the philosophy behind The Emperor and His Ideals for Mankind. The problem is when those philosophical debates and explanations become "Grimdank memes", cutting off all the interesting part.

I think you could have this plus distant, mysterious, godly aura. A God that refuses to be worshipped because He thinks His own species can become Gods too.

If anything, The Emperor could be a disciple or ally of Necoho (old WF reference). But, I doubt current GW remember him.

>>96240109
>[Lorelet turd worlder screeching]
Nobody asked, nobody cares.

>>96240122
>american looking for third world
Just find yourself a mirror John

>>96240125
>American
Swing and a miss javez.

>>96240119
Fucked up how his teachings always get almost instantly corrupted and are constantly self-defeating. It just makes The Emperor look even more retarded when he was already skirting the edge back when he was shrouded in mystery.

>I don't see this as something from Reddit, but a core part of the philosophy behind The Emperor and His Ideals for Mankind.
Problems arise when your philosophy itself manifests in completely retarded teachings and ideals.
>Don't have idols
Is a good example. It's retarded. People do not work that way. They need idols, they will create them if they lack them, they will warp flawed individuals into them if need be. If the Emperor were alive for more than 30 years I would expect him to understand how people work on some level, and with his actual age I'd figure the species he elevates so much should be something he fully comprehends.
But of course, I've put more thought into this single post than any black library author has put into their entire career.

Everyone here is retarded. If the Emperor gets up from the Golden Throne there is no one who can take his place. Its literally extinction for humanity and a final win for chaos.

Wow, Malcador made plans to prevent the total extinction of humanity using the Inquisition that he founded. This is totally nulore and not consistent with everything else Malcador has ever done.

>>96240140
he doesn't understand because he's an autistic nepo baby, which is actually a fine character to have in a narrative

>>96240119
Jesus and the Emperor have literally nothing in common. The emperor hates gods and would never claim to be the son of God which Jesus consistently did and there is no motivation to fake the resurrection that isn't incredibly retarded.

why would the Emperor allow himself to be nailed to a cross? please I genuinely want to see your cope for why the bloodthirsty technobarbarian warlord of 30k who solved most problems with genocide was the jewish pacifist from 30k years prior

>>96240067
>headcanon
It's called the actual game, retard. 90% of all available chaos is marines. Shit man, they just got a whole crisade fleet worth of primaris marines from Angrymom letting out WOLOLO screech in space.

>>96240119
>well technically [HH yappery]
Doesn't matter. If anything that just makes him losing babby's first anti-christian debate that much more pathetic.

>>96240163
Even autistic nepo babies would learn how humans tick after poking and prodding them for literal millennia, especially given humans are allegedly his autistic fixation. Emps is the equivalent of a train autist who can't tell the difference between a bullet train and a bronze age battering ram.

>>96240186
>It's called [headcanon]
Disregarded.

>>96240163
>he doesn't understand because he's an autistic nepo baby
Autistic nepo babies irl understand humans a hundred times better.
And the Emperor is neither of these things regardless. He's just written like a dumb redditor because the authors were themselves, dumb redditors.

>>96240206
he's just THAT autistic. even 3k or 30k years of experience isn't enough for him to understand people. every interaction he has is him mind controlling people to like him, that doesn't exactly give you a good foundation to really understand people.

>>96240214
desu I like this interpretation, that's why the Emperor hated women and had none in his inner circle and his only friend was his psychic history teacher who saw him for what he really was

>>96235337
Space paladins kicking the shit out of demons is based as fuck, you're just salty they're the strongest faction in the Imperium, rather than whatever it is you play. Probably Guard, IG players always have been some puffed up mental manlets.

>>96240199
>the actual armies are available for sale are just headcanon
>actual lorebooks are just headcanon
This is some terminal levels of tertiary.

>>96240214
>he's just THAT autistic
That's just bad writing. If he was THAT autistic then he'd be able to actually intuit this shit on at least a mechanical level. Not to mention that just further enforces the central argument of "HH turned Emps into a blathering retard no one can take seriously"

>>96234674
>and a terrible father.
This one is wrong. He wasn't any kind of father, he did not raise them. The parenting thing is inapplicable.

>>96240245
everyone in the setting takes him seriously because of his massive power and magical charisma, which he successfully wielded to conquer the entire galaxy.

its okay for him to have a single weakness to explain why the heresy happened at all

>>96240245
its not bad writing, well at least not any worse than all of warhammer. there are only two scenarios here:
>the emperor is perfect and he meant for the heresy to happen
or
>the emperor is massively powerful but has some flaws that allowed the heresy to occur

Name a better flaw for him to have to allow the Imperium to become the broken Gothic horror grimderp mess that we all love to shitpost about

>>96239668
>noooo I need whole universe to be explained in minute detail or my dumb brain hurt.

>>96240279
>at least not any worse than all of warhammer
Yes, all of HH/BL and they ruined the Emperor, glad we agree.

>>96239867
like he btfo that ork that had him in a chokehold? lmao

>>96240255
>its okay for him to have a single weakness to explain why the heresy happened at all
Except he was also a gigamastermind who orchestrated the whole thing because he's just that clever and able to manipulate people. You can't have it both ways.

>>96240312
Counter point Emperor never was supposed to be benevolent figure
At best he was supposed to remain mistery along with most of Great Crusade and Horus Heresy, at worst he was creator of the Imperium (aka most brutal most opressive most miserable regime in humanity's history)

>>96240279
>Name a better flaw for him to have to allow the Imperium to become the broken Gothic horror grimderp mess that we all love to shitpost about
Gee, maybe they shouldn't have elaborated on his character at all if they were unable to draft a satisfying character. How the fuck did Jesus himself lose a debate about Christianity?

>>96240214
>he's just THAT autistic
Wow more retcons love it
>Even though he's been spending 30k years planning this out, he's so retarded he forgot people aren't all carbon copy clones of him who think exactly like him!!!!
The Emperor being retarded is such an interesting take wow I want to buy 500 primaris now

>96240234
>ESL so mad he needs to make things up
Pathetic. Not even worthy of a (you).

>>96240326
I never said he should be benevolent, I said he shouldn't be so oppressively mundane and retarded. Quit tilting at strawmen.

>>96240337
Didn't they lose to handful of clowns?

>>96240339
>tourist so assblasted xhe forgot how to reply properly
Always funny when that happens.

>>96240335
>the emperor is jesus
There is literally ZERO in common between Jesus and the Emperor, this is the most retarded take Ive seen you constantly spill on this board.

>>96240340
>I said he shouldn't be so oppressively mundane and retarded
I think all the psychic mind control and constant slaughter are anything but mundane, and there is no difference between nulore and 90s warhammer in that respect.

>>96240279
>its not bad writing, well at least not any worse than all of warhammer
It's significantly worse than what it was, and you're a moron for even thinking of it.

>Reduces it to a binary
Ah, autistic moron, got it.
There is a very significant difference between "Flawed and could not ultimately stop the machinations of Chaos", and "He's so retarded he forgot people aren't automatons operating on pure logic"

>Name a better flaw for him to have
He already had several things he was lacking in:
He could not be everywhere at once.
He could not foresee every trick chaos could pull.
And originally it was him believing too much in humanity that caused the Heresy, trusting too much in the flawed, immature sons he had rather than just being a mouth breather like you are.
There's many good alternatives, frankly, you just have the same type of stupid GW writers do. Except you don't have a franchise to leech off of.

>ESL so mad he's watching the thread like a hawk
>Still doesn't know how this place works
What genetic defect is it that prevents learning?

>>96240336
>has a single flaw
>hes retarded
black and white thinking, just like the Emperor! you two have so much in common!

>>96240367
>Heh, so what if he has down syndrome? It's a single flaw, perfect character writing bro
You've soundly convinced me that the other anon is correct.

>>96240358
You're the one who said he literally was Jesus. You dumb or did you lose the argument and give up on good faith?

>>96239933
Yes and heavy stubbers on the spears too.
I still laugh being LaD player.

>>96240379
please quote the posts where I said that, or do you think there are only two people in the thread?

>>96240340
>, I said he shouldn't be so oppressively mundane and retarded.
Why he created Imperium then?

>>96240399
>>96240119
>Well, technically Jesus Christ was one of His Avatars
Retard.
>N-no I wasn't arguing this point and I'm definitely not samefagging
Not only do I not believe you, but I know your position is hopelessly lost and dumb when you can't even stay consistent with the side you're arguing for. Suck my nuts fag

>>96240375
yea its totally 'down sydrome' that the guy who is completely desensitized to genocide doesnt understand why it makes angron upset that he left his entire found family to die at the hands of slavers. God forbid the guy who kills billions in persuit of his goals and demands total obediance from everyone doesn't understand why anyone would have a problem with it. Especially when 99% of humans do not have a problem with it.

>>96240406
>Okay so he can't understand how people function on a fundamental level, like at all, and cannot socialize in any way unless it's basically mentally compelling people with psychic powers
>B-b-b-but he's not retarded! Being an autist who can't comprehend anything but pure logic is just a minor character flaw!
You suck at arguing lil bro.

>>96240405
Sorry kid, I'm this post >>96240173 and my first post ITT is >>96240156. Nice job hallucinating though.

>>96240347
anyone too self-serious loses to clowns

>>96240413
Everyone knows what inspect element is samefag, nobody cares and nobody believes you.

>>96240411
The only reason you are angry the emperor isnt a perfect anime villain mastermind is because thinking you could do his job better makes it hard for you to self insert

>>96240417
oh its this schizo. anon, you can go into paint and just delete the (you) part. thats what 99% of the website does when they want to hide samefagging since 2006. I can literally always tell who you are by this inspect element obsession.

anyway, I literally pointed out the posts that were mine. you obviously have no real point beyond shitposting so tkae your last (you)

>>96240419
>You're angry because
Oh now we're projecting, this oughta be good.
>Y-you think he should be an anime villain mastermind!
Sorry weeb, I don't watch or care about your asian porn cartoons. My position remains, despite your obsessive butthurt at the fact, that he should just be written as a non-retard.
The idea that he even needs or the story somehow benefits from him being incredibly low IQ is something only a poor writer could conceive of. Chaos can corrupt and fuck up anything, and it being able to best even an (actually competent and non-retarded) God-like figure would only help drive the point of how grim and dark things are.

>>96240430
>high IQ people cant be flawed
Your own IQ is showing

>>96240425
>oh its this schizo
The moment you get called out for what you did you become a hypocrite. Funny how that works.
>tkae
Hands getting shaky, eh?

>>96240140
>>96240173
>>96240193
I think you giys forget The Emperor tried to do the things in a "nice way" first.

>Jesus and The Emperor have nothing in common, one is the "Son of God" and another is an atheist
The Emperor (when He was young) tried to appeal to the common folk by becoming different Gods, heroes, saints (as I said before) in different civilizations.

When He saw the horrors of after the born of Slaanesh, it's when He became a hardcore anti-religions guy. It's not He was a edgelord redditor or He didn't understand human nature, He was literally traumatised by the horrors He saw and AFTER that (not before) is when He revealed Himself as The Emperor.

Before that He was a "Clark Kent / Bruce Wayne" type of guy, He helped Mankind but He keeped His true nature in secret.

He appearing as a hard ruler and father is not because He's evil but He has PTSD, if a human with PTSD is kinda fucked, imagine a God with it.

>>96240434
High IQ people by definition cannot be mentally retarded. Flawed, yes, we've already outlined what sort of flaws would be more interesting too. Your idea of what flaws would be, well... It just sucks lol.
The Emperor being an idiot savant simply does not an interesting character make, sorry that you suck at writing anon.

>>96240439
Actually, many high IQ people are considered retarded by midwits. Einstein famously had problems dressing himself which is why he owned identical copies of the same clothes to prevent looking like a retard to normies.

>>96240437
Why do you type like a 'tard?

>>96240358
>Catheric faith
>30k Catholicism
>Jesus Christ is an Avatar of The Emperor

Also GW about the origin and history of The Emperor:
>Jesus Christ is an Avatar of The Emperor

>>96240449
>Actually, many high IQ people are considered retarded
Anon, popular consensus does not reality make. To be retarded, you must literally be below an IQ threshold. Please, quit trying to pretend to be smart, it just makes you look dumb and unpleasant instead of just dumb.
>Einstein
Einstein never had a formal IQ rating. We have no idea what his IQ is, and he's irrelevant to this discussion without empirical evidence.

>>96240437
I can actually by this, but if you accept this take then anons point >>96240335 wouldnt need answering because the emperors view against religion isnt really founded from a moral philosophy perspective but one of necessity and PTSD from what chaos did to his people.

>>96239917
>The Pharos device made by the Necrons did.
Which was activated by the Imperial loyalists during the Heresy, not necrons, they only built it.

>>96240455
>actually trying to call Eistein retarded to win an online argument
You are one of those guys who took one physics class and said Newton is over rated aren't you?

>>96240464
I find it interesting how you lost the argument so bad you needed to make up things I didn't say. I said his IQ has never been tested, and therefore your claims about him are irrelevant. Was that difficult for you to understand without getting mad and hallucinating, anon?

you are poopoo head

>>96240458
Nope, Necrons activated it plenty of times.

>>96240464
>>96240449
Einstein? He was infact a retard who thought nuclear bombs would never exist and stole all of his papers because he worked at a patent office. You seriously thought some random bavarian Jew with no degrees, who did no studying, and who couldn't explain his theories whenever challenged, AND who got hollywood famous for theft was legit? How stupid are you?

>>96240478
He probably thinks bill gates just "worked really hard" to get his wealth too. Let him have his fantasies, anon, we must be kind to our lessers.

>>96240347
Before they were an actual faction with models? No, not even then. Some were killed but they captured the Harlequins.

>>96240478
the smartest man in history is elon musk, who is/was also the Emperor

>>96240358
I'm going off of the other anon's words, calm down. I think it's stuoid too but if somewhere in the poison swamp of HH novels they did make Emps have a Jesus phase, it just makes everything he's done since that much more retarded.
>>96240362
It's pretty mundane for 40K. A mere demonic(?) xeno managed to do the same until the BTs killed him. At least the Cacodemon didn't commit the most retarded form of suicide ever like Emps did.

>>96240419
The problem is the writers want us to believe he's that while ALSO being so retarded he doesn't understand that humans are human.

>>96240525
40k would have been much better if the Emperor was an unstoppable genius who successfully killed off every alien, daemon and dissenter in the galaxy instead of devolving into piss world with a bunch of angry men in power armor shooting each other.

>>96240437
>getting crucified turned Emps into a non-functioning autistic that completely forgot how people work
Fuck it, at that point just make the Spear of Longinus a chaos artifact that sapped Emps of his critical thinking ability. That'd make more sense than this shit. You can't tell me someone as charismatic as Jesus just suddenly forgot how people work.

>>96240544
imo it would be better if the emperors origins pre techno barbarian wars where left a mystery. why does he have to be jesus? >>96240453 this anon says GW outright stated that but I haven't read anything to that effect myself. feel free to post sources.

>>96240525
You really can't reconcile a guy being capable of the forethought to engineer a galactic-wide conquest, to deal with all the hiccups and roadbumps there must have been along the way there, to engineer a number of super soldier armies that are genetically enhanced and modified, and yet is too dumb to remember that human emotions and irrationality exists.
It was better when Horus fell to Chaos and he just trusted Horus too much to stop the heretical snowball until it was kicking in the front door and had killed his other favorite child.

>>96240540
I'm not the one who decided to write him as a master manipulator that ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU'd (TN note: KEIKAKU means PLAN) himself onto the golden throne to play Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds against the chaos gods but is also so cripplingly retarded he doesn't understand the basics of the human psyche. I'm sorry bad BL writing gets you this worked up, but if it makes you feel better I find it stupid too.

>>96240335
>>96240456
>How Jesus would lose a debate about Christianity?
Jesus will lose a debate about Mormonism and the central figure of it is him.

You forget The Emperor is an ultra-rationalist with PTSD, religion is based in feelings not facts, He was His mind broken so ofc He will lose it in the same way He will lose a debate about the current state of the Imperium vs how He crafted it in the 30k millenium.

We, humans, have the bad habit to drop first reason than faith when things get hard, and then we act shocked about how low and cruel we got after recovered our reason.

>>96240554
Hell, just the fact that Emps was politically savvy enough to ally with the Mechanicus instead of autistically wipe them out for worshipping Mechajesus is already insanely out of character for the "Religious PTSD Emperor" this thread is trying to headcanon into existence.

>>96240576
Erm I guess you think the Emperor should have killed every single living thing instead for not instantly kneeling to him???

>>96240549
>why does he have to be jesus?
Don't ask me, I'm going off the assumption anon is correct. I vaguely recall hearing secondhand about some old lore that had one of his old lives was alleged to be one of Jesus's disciples, but this is the first I hear of him being Jesus himself. Either way, I agree that everything befire his current incarnation should've been at best unverifiable hearsay and rumor sourced from Big E himself. But unfortunately BL added all thise fucking Perpetuals to serve as reliable second sources, thus sapping even more mystery from the Emperor.

>>96240568
>Jesus will lose a debate about Mormonism and the central figure of it is him.
Sigh. No, anon, no he wouldn't. Please stop asserting your delusions as if they are fact instead of the product of an ill and dysfunctional brain.
>You forget about my headcanon!
Sigh...

>>96240590
You were the one saying that's his "single flaw", not me.

>>96240599
ok look how about this. his single flaw is that he does whatever is convenient for the writers at BL to try and weave a not-really-interesting-but-good-enough-for-bored-12-year-olds story out of. how 'bout that huh?

>>96240505
The guy who asked for /pol/ to raid people who were mean to him on twitter (before he bought it to ban them)? The man who used to post on /pol/ talking about how much sex Elon had and how many kids he had when people shat on him? The man who bragged about being a top player in Diablo IV when he paid somebody to play for him? The guy who created alts to big him up on twitter? The guy who made AI so he could talk to himself to prove he wasn't said alts and then got caught speaking his normal voice when he was suppose to be the so-called alt? The guy who under a court order admitted he was those alts? The guy who thinks that parade drones are the future of warfare? The guy who sucks Russia and Chinese dicks while excluding white people and importing SAARS is the smartest man ever?

Grim times.

>>96240568
>We, humans, have the bad habit to drop first reason than faith when things get hard
Spoken like some soulless west coast softie.
Religion grows STRONGER in times of difficulty, retard. Its expression will grow more brutal and fanatic, but just look at all the occultism surrounding African warlords and South American cartels, or the fierce religiosity of the middle east.

No wonder you think HH Emperor is well written, you're as retarded abd disconnected from reality as he is.

>>96240608
That's what we call bad writing, glad you've finally come 'round.

>>96240614
So the Emperor's single flaw is that he's badly written. I'm glad we've finally settled this argument once and for all, and surely no thread will ever be made about it again.

>>96240564
I don't think 40k's narrative conclusively states that the Emperor wanted to end up on the Golden Throne. I know some people think that, but the Dawn of Fire scene does not make that clear and thats our best look into the Emperors mental state in 42k.

>>96234112
dilate

>>96240627
>I don't think 40k's narrative conclusively states that the Emperor wanted to end up on the Golden Throne
There's one excerpt I've seen floating around where some spiritspooks speculate that it was all part of his plan ti end chaos for good.

>>96240625
>>96240599
Im not that anon you retard. this is me >>96240279

>>96240625
Probably not because your script will reset after this thread ends

>>96240611
>but just look at all the occultism surrounding African warlords and South American cartels, or the fierce religiosity of the middle east.
Anon, this has nothing to do with "times of difficulty". It's because they are all retarded brown savages.
This is also why Christianity caught on in a land of retarded brown savages, and spread furthest when the Europeans were still in mudhuts and the Romans had poisoned themselves with lead.

>>96240638
archtards are OBSESSED with beautiful transwomen! they can't stop thinking about them!

>>96240639
>speculate
If its speculation you dont even need the unreliable narrator angle

>>96240640
We know retard, we're having a laugh at your expense. Imagine being so stupid you can't grasp humor, god.

>>96240653
>im psychotically calling everyone ITT a samefag
>its to laugh at (you) specifically
>there are only two people in this thread, (you) and me

One day I hope you can learn to be genuine in your speech and feelings and accept you want to kiss cute boys.

>>96240554
>>96240576
Yeah, the more they explained the heresy and shit that lead up to it worse it has just made 40k as a whole.
>but you can just ignore it
But doesn't work at all because the modern heresy is exactly the one GW is gonna be refering from this point onward, it's the reason why they even remade/rewrote the heresy entirely.
And in the process they just fucked up lot of shit and made it really stupid.
Like inclusion of Erda, she is one of the dumbest characters they've made and perfect example of the new Heresy's failings and why it sucks.

Like primarchs having a biological mother? Ok, that is fine and makes sense to me.
But then having Erda just appear out of nowhere without ever being mentioned before at all, first is not good writing, but second it is also extremely hamfisted into the entire plot.
Also Erda's character is already just a rehash of another, Amar Astarte who helped Emperor to create the marines. It would've been better if Erda and Amar were one character, but I digress.

The dumbest part then comes when she explains to Grammaticus, for no reason by the way, how in the past she chuck her infant sons, the primarchs into the Warp because she was butthurt at the Emperor. Which largely fucked up the Emperor's and Malcador's plans and in-directly/directly doomed humanity for the next 10 000 years.
Metaphorically the entire Heresy and the next 10 000 years can be reduced to being "Karen took the kids".

>>96240661
>schizophrenic delusions: the post
Cool story man.

>>96240608
>ok look how about this. his single flaw is that he does whatever is convenient for the writers at BL
We have a word for that, it's called "bad writing".

>>96240678
That's two words.

Anons ITT spend hours of their day discussing a series they think is bad.

They will then CONSOOM every single new product produced in that series, including spending 200 posts discussing a single paragraph of lore in a boardgame rulebook.

I wonder, why are they so addicted to a series with such bad writing?

>>96240665
>>96240665
>But doesn't work at all
It can sort of work sometimes. If you have a private group to wargame with or play the rpgs with you can just ignore all of the shit lore and substitute your own interpretations.

For anything else though you're entirely right, but engaging with 40k as anything but an excuse to collect minis or cultivate a group around is just a fruitless endeavor. I just introduce people I like to my ideal of 40k and that's it.

>>96240647
>It's because they are all retarded brown savages.
So is the Emperor, retard. He's an inbred turkroach.

>>96240703
>So is the Emperor
The Emperor is a fictional character. He has the racial qualities of whoever is writing him.

This is one of the stupidest threads I've ever seen on /tg/.
I thought Nurse Verity was bad enough.

>>96240720
Welcome! You will fit right in!

>>96240695
>If you have a private group to wargame with or play the rpgs with you can just ignore all of the shit lore and substitute your own interpretations.
Yeah and that is a big IF. And not everyone is lucky enough to have this, it's called life.

Even then I do like to read the lore sometimes, but my enjoyment of it instantly drops when they start shoving lame and dumb shit in my face. Also the whole "just ignore it and play with a small group, etc." is basically the same as sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU".
It doesn't actually make the thing go away and neither does it stop the enshittification of what you enjoy.

>>96240709
>the racial qualities of whoever is writing him.
Inbred brits then, who as we know have NEVER turned to religion in tines of strife

>>96240748
>Luck
NTA, but Heh, sorry I can't help when reading this.
There's no "luck" to it. You either work to make yourself a group, or you don't and you don't get one. It's that simple. If you think there's a luck element involved, you're coping hard.

>>96240758
>Inbred brits then
And an Irishman.
>who as we know have NEVER turned to religion in tines of strife
Tines lol.
Was there a point amidst your ranting btw? Because if there was I don't see it, other than you taking offense at the fact that religion is for the retarded and simple minded.

>>96240764
You understand the point I'm trying to make, you don't need to be smarmy about it.

>>96240785
I understood it, and disagreed with it.
Otherwise I don't really care, this setting is for faggots and I have no idea why anyone in this thread would read the lore or cares about whether the emperor was jesus or reddit, I've seen infant children have more meaningful arguments.

>>96240802
>this setting is for faggots
Then why are you here then? To intentionally to be a smarmy douche?

>>96240748
>Also the whole "just ignore it and play with a small group, etc." is basically the same as sticking your thumbs in your ears and going "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU".
>It doesn't actually make the thing go away and neither does it stop the enshittification of what you enjoy.
I don't disagree entirely, but I do think your outlook is equally fruitless.

What can we do, except build groups we like and try to find people of likeminded tastes? The answer is nothing. If you want it to stop being enshittified, the only meaningful action you can take is to start writing for GW, or get a position of influence over what people there may write.

>>96240554
>and yet is too dumb to remember that human emotions and irrationality exists.
To be fair, this isn't just a 40k problem, thr whole scifi / fantasy genres ALWAYS fall in this retarded cliche.
>the peak of human, elf, whatever civilization
>they didn't developed the technology to modified DNA and make the species rational and stoic no matter the circunstances
>that ultra-advanced civilization fell because "muh feelings", retarded "muh filler-drama"

>>96240611
I never said HH's Emperor is well written, I think has good point but the whole thing becomes stupid.

Also, HH and you prove my point, the moment we talk / act without reason, all becomes pathetic.

>>96240872
I can forgive it in the ones where they don't universally start messing with people's brainmatter at least. I wouldn't give up my emotions or the integrity of my mind under any circumstances.

>>96240893
The thing is, with the kind of civilizations and tech that appears in those settings, at some point in that civilization's evolution, there should exists a technology that removes your bad feelings without removing your good ones AND without falling in the also retarded "there is no good without evil, there is no pleasure without pain".

But for some reason, scifi / fantasy writers refuse to break this cliches and then they get shocked when people tell them that all settings now feel the same and there's "bankruptcy of creativity".

>>96240917
>there should exists
>this cliches
It's hard to take you pretending to know better than ll the writers in a genre seriously when you're incapable of using proper grammar. They even make bots that do it for you these days.

>>96240611
>Spoken like some soulless west coast softie.
>Religion grows STRONGER in times of difficulty, retard.
But he is agreeing with you?
He literally says that "reason" is usually the one first to go, not faith, aka religion.

>>96240936
My apologies, indeed, English is not my first language but 40k falls in many cliches. And the problem is, people are tired of the same cliches in every single scifi / fantasy setting when according to the technology and knowledge in-universe in those settings should be possible, mandatory to do DNA modifications to avoid the fall of those civilizations.

>>96240963
>And the problem is, people are tired of the same cliches in every single scifi / fantasy setting
If by "people" you mean a niche selection of 'tismos, sure.
>when according to the technology and knowledge in-universe in those settings should be possible, mandatory to do DNA modifications to avoid the fall of those civilizations.
Why?
We're getting to an age where this sort of stuff would be fantastically unrealistic to the average person just because getting a society to comply with that, let alone having one that would actually take policies to guarantee its continued survival (Especially before it's too late anyways and everything is fucked) feels fairytale-esque, like something silly and childish.

For example: To whose benefit is it if everyone in a society becomes an emotionless robot driven by logic? How can corporations exploit that? How would governments be able to manipulate such people? It would be a downside in many ways for those in power and who stand to profit, and so they would prevent it with all their might rather than enable, let alone demand it.

Not to mention there are many settings where they can't anyways, making your point completely moot.

>>96240781
>other than you taking offense at the fact that religion is for the retarded and simple minded.
Tilting at strawmen again I see. I never once defended religion, I just said the idea that it goes away in hard times is fucking retarded, and that Emps/his writer was such a basic bitch redditor atheist he couldn't even EPIC DEBOONK his way out of babby's first atheist vs christian debate.

>>96240976
>If by "people" you mean a niche selection of 'tismos, sure.
Perhaps that niche existed 20, even 10 years ago, now with the constant releases of scifi / fantasy shows, the fatigue is constantly growing.

>Why?
Because it's better.

>We're getting to an age where this sort of stuff would be fantastically unrealistic to the average person
I have low-IQ fatigue, I just hope "AI" give me the tools to create my own universes.

>let alone having one that would actually take policies to guarantee its continued survival (Especially before it's too late anyways and everything is fucked) feels fairytale-esque, like something silly and childish.
At some point, all the dam will break and the collective and intergenerational trauma that it will cause will be tremendous.
You will see the 'ethos' from the beginning of Starship Troopers established in all world:
> power, strength is what matters, not words
>stratocracy not democracy is the true form of government
>you will still able to have feelings, but feelings will always be second to cool logic, if not you will be cleaned from human genepool
>all the current films about "muh feelings, muh drama, muh sexual liberty, muh morals and values" will be ridiculed to the extreme and beyond (finally the end of French "cinema")

You or any other can argue about "but what about the corporations, the point of it, the emotional deep", in the end it will no matter.

The only and big problem of this is, instead of doing it in the peaceful, rational, chill way, humans only learn after a lot of pain and horror. Proving again the point of my argument.

>>96241086
>Tilting at strawmen again I see.
Asking a question is strawmanning, apparently.
>I never once defended religion, I just said the idea that it goes away in hard times is fucking retarded
And then you got really mad that I pointed out the only reason peoples you pointed out as being religious are all just... Retarded.
> and that Emps/his writer was such a basic bitch redditor atheist he couldn't even EPIC DEBOONK his way out of babby's first atheist vs christian debate.
40k is made for manchildren so it isn't surprising their writers aren't familiar with how to epically own some dumb christoid moron in a debate. So uh, your point is what exactly?

>>96241102
>now with the constant releases of scifi / fantasy shows, the fatigue is constantly growing.
if you say so lol
>Because it's better.
Nah. I prefer stories with humanity in them, so do most people, sorry if that gets your knickers in a twist kiddo.
>I have low-IQ fatigue, I just hope "AI"
There's something hilarious about claiming to be fatigued of the low IQ while using a tool that actually damages your brain and lowers neural activity. It's cosmic level irony.

>At some point, all the dam will break
Heh, no. At some point maybe we'll make another tech breakthrough that lets men plunder a new frontier and squeeze the life out of it, and we'll forget how shit things were. But there is no dam, just a slowly dying field that we're all living on.
Sorry, anon, but human nature ain't gonna change.
>You will see the 'ethos' from the beginning of Starship Troopers established in all world:
Oh boy, schizocope. And then the agarthan moon aliens will come and tell your school bully to leave you alone too, right?

>>96240917
>at some point in that civilization's evolution, there should exists a technology that removes your bad feelings without removing your good ones AND without falling in the also retarded "there is no good without evil, there is no pleasure without pain".
There's been tons of stories like this - Star Trek, The Culture, and The Foundation come to mind - most people just hate them because the idea of a bunch of hollow shells dosed up super ritalin sounds like a terrifying dystopia and a bad end for humanity rather than a utopia.

Hell, it's something Dune touches on and what Brave New World directly attacks.
>then they get shocked when people tell them that all settings now feel the same and there's "bankruptcy of creativity".
I honestly can't even think of any major scifi/space opera media out there these days. Most non-/tg/ media is stuck firmly in some flavor of cyberpunk nearfuture dystopia or some legacy franchise stuff and within /tg/ spaces it's pretty much the same. Other than 40K you've got what? Infinity and Star Wars Legion? Both are vastly different in setting from 40K and even Infinity is a fusion of space opera and cyberpunk.

>>96241142
Truth is Sci fi was always kinda peanuts compared to fantasy and just isn't that big in the public mind. Less so as time goes on and the hollywood magic wanes because we're slowly realizing that there's not much innovation going on anymore.
Hard to even imagine anything truly new, these days.

>>96241111
>Asking a question is strawmanning
Claiming I said shit I never did is, yes. Are you ESL or something?
>And then you got really mad
Not really, I just found your claim preposterous. Still do seeing as you fail to back it up.
>So uh, your point is what exactly?
If you could actually read English you'd already know: that Emps doesn't come across as enlightened and all-knowing from this engagement, just short-sighted and retarded.

>>96241169
Scifi was in big post-space race and lasted all the way up to about the 2010s as top dog. Problem is people are no longer optimistic about the future and the scifi literature scene intentionally disappeared up its own ass trying to cater to "le enlightened" hard scifi types like you described, causing the whole genre to bleed out over a short time.

>>96241135
>I prefer stories with humanity in them
I like too, the thing is, in the setting I'm explaining, the 'humanity' will not have bad traits, just good ones.

>AI
It's a tool, it can help or damage your brain according to how you use it.

>Sorry, anon, but human nature ain't gonna change.
As always, we can only wait and see what happens.

>Oh boy, schizocope.
It's mot cope, it's as you say before, human nature, a pendulum:
>right now, we are in a stage of full of "liberty"
>something really bad will happen
>and societies will do a 180°
>if there is no Singularity with AI
>societies will do another 180° a have another "liberty" stage and maybe or maybe not go to extinction
>if there's Singularity, there we could have a society similar to the one in Starship Troopers

>>96241172
>Claiming I said shit I never did is
Good thing I didn't do so and just asked a question. Sorry that upset you, not really.
>Not really, I just found your claim preposterous.
So "Yes I did get mad but I don't want to admit it", ok.
>Still do seeing as you fail to back it up.
Ah, you think Cartels, African Warlords, and Suicide bombers aren't retards? You do you bro lmao
>If you could actually read English you'd already know
I can read English better than you can speak it.
>that Emps doesn't come across as enlightened and all-knowing from this engagement, just short-sighted and retarded.
Alright so no point just angry passive-aggressive ranting because I shit talked your backwards beliefs, got it.

>>96239482
u = media literacy plz

>>96241205
>I like too, the thing is, in the setting I'm explaining, the 'humanity' will not have bad traits, just good ones.
So, no you don't, and that's just boring. Sorry, we've tried that, nobody liked it!
>It's a tool
That objectively and factually makes you dumber as you use it. A bit like drinking from a lead pipe. It's just a tool, one that happens to make you into a retard sure BUT it's just a tool!
>As always, we can only wait and see
Nah sorry we've had thousands of years of history to wait and look upon. At this point, hoping otherwise is coping. You'd be better off just wishing everyone else was a maladjusted sperg like yourself.
>It's mot cope
He said, copily.
>it's as you say before, human nature
Human nature has never and will never produce anything near Heinlein's fantasies nor yours, sorry not sorry.

>>96241142
>optimistic scifi setting when there's no pain just healthy pleasure, happiness and "HUMANITY FUCK HEAH"
>consoomers: OH NOOO LE HECKIN' DYSTOPIA OF NO SEXUAL DEGENERATION NOR FILLER-DRAMA, HOW BORING!!!

>literall a cyberpunk dystopia with actual drugs that will kill you that removes pain, faitgue, sadness
>consoomers: WOW SOOOO COOL!!!

At this point, I no longer understand people.

>>96241169
For me, scifi / fantasy is the same (Arthur C. Clarke), just with a different kind of aesthetics (I wish for some innovation).

>>96241192
I like hard scifi, I like soft scifi, there's no conflict between both, the problem is consoomers only want to most depressing and non-sensical one.
And consoomers are sadly the majority.

>>96241268
I mean yeah that is boring, and cyberpunk is pretty cool. You get a depressing and bleak world that you can rail against in the latter, and a boring world in the former. What's so confusing about this to you?

>>96241278
I guess we have different tastes.

In my case, seeing how we are going into an actual cyberpunk society IRL, I want an escapisn that doesn't reminder me the current reality. I want optimism, "feels good" stuff.

Are 40k fags so dependant on slop tubers?

>>96241290
See, problem is most people aren't totally retarded, so they want something that's half-assed believable instead.
Cyberpunk? Yeah it's shit but it's a bit better than our world in a few ways. Like for example, cybernetics are cool as shit.
Some vague nondescript sci-fi setting where nothing bad ever happens and everything is roses and people are perfect? I mean shit, there's probably a couple people who would like that. Not love it, just like it, the same way otaku glom onto trashy flavor of the week Isekai manga.

>>96240363
>Name a better flaw for him to have
>He already had several things he was lacking in:
>He could not be everywhere at once.
>He could not foresee every trick chaos could pull.
>And originally it was him believing too much in humanity that caused the Heresy, trusting too much in the flawed, immature sons he had rather than just being a mouth breather like you are.
>There's many good alternatives, frankly, you just have the same type of stupid GW writers do. Except you don't have a franchise to leech off of.
LMAO

>guy goes to job interview
>my biggest flaw is that I'm TOO organized and diligent

Lil faggot, ur

>>96241332
Illiteracy strikes again.

The only logical conclusion of what the Emperor is, is that he's exactly what the C'tan shard told Cawl he is.
>A weapon.
The Emperor is a single-minded rocket on one very clear trajectory: conquer humanity, control humanity, protect it from Chaos at all costs. That's what the shamans ordered him to do when they created him. And that's exactly what he did. Every method he uses is "serve me or die," or when it comes to the Thunder Warriors and other organizations he found to be no longer useful to his banner, he just kills them. He has no sympathy for the weak or the 'wrong,' and the 'wrong' is anyone who doesn't agree with him. He'll use whatever methods are the most expedient to achieve his aims as quickly as possible, even when it is morally repugnant or requires him to sacrifice his atheist ideals. Like allying with the Mechanicus.
Whatever those shamans did when they fusion dance'd to create him, they successfully created a powerful guardian against Chaos. But they didn't consider the ramifications of unleashing an immortal superweapon with no moral limitations upon humanity.
Also, interestingly, he's a psychic mirror. We still don't know if the Emperor is actually intentionally creating that effect or it's just a consequence of his sheer power, but everyone sees in the Emperor what they want him to be, regardless of the truth of what the Emperor is actually saying to them. Sanguinius chats with the Emperor in The End and the Death Part 1 about why he even started this whole Great Crusade bullshit, and the Emperor tells him, with a face full of sympathy, it was to save and guide humanity, as otherwise it would be at risk of destroying itself. He tells Sanguinius flat out that he went on this crusade to purge trillions of humans who had deviated from the Emperor's personal ideals of genetic purity. And Sanguinius somehow sees this as a saintly and loving cause, rather than the cold, horrifying genocide and replacement of a million planets.

>>96241382
>Cold, horrifying genocide
Yes, because Humanity dying out would be so very very nice.

>>96241400
No, that's incorrect. Most futures Big E and the other great seers like Malcador witnessed without his rise to power were simply murky, wild, confused. Without the Imperium, humanity would live on for millions of years, it just would never be dominant over the entire galaxy. Empires would rise and fall, like Ultramar, the Interrex, and the Araneus Continuity. Some worlds would be destroyed by uncontrolled psyker populations, but the Interrex and Araneus Continuity already had solutions to that threat as well as the threat of Chaos. They'd have to survive against Ork Waaaghs, Rangdan invasions, and so on, but humanity would survive. It just would never become 'dominant' and have self-assured prosperity via destroying all other threats. Though, the Emperor honestly has a very weird definition of dominant, considering a million worlds isn't even .01% of the galaxy's total worlds.

>>96241480
Yeah man I'm sure the imperium-less humanity that was so scattered it couldn't even get a solar system organized would totally be fine and not get killed by the galaxy-wide threats that kept showing up and the Imperium was able to put down.

>>96241510
>killed by the galaxy-wide threats that kept showing up and the Imperium was able to put down.
Such as..?

>>96241520
Oh you know just things like the Orks or the Necrons or Chaos

>>96241510
>Yeah man I'm sure the imperium-less humanity that was so scattered it couldn't even get a solar system organized
There were already hundreds of human empires formed and stable throughout the galaxy before the Emperor launched the Great Crusade. I mentioned a few of them in my previous post. The Imperium had to fight pretty hard to conquer many of them, due to them possessing DAoT tech that was lost to Mars.
>and not get killed by the galaxy-wide threats that kept showing up and the Imperium was able to put down.
Humanity would survive. The Emperor saw that quite clearly. He just didn't like the idea that its hope for power and prosperity would be left to chance. In his eyes, any future where humanity wasn't necessarily supreme over the galaxy was an unacceptable risk. He gambled everything - all of humanity's future - on the chance at building a singular, unified star empire that would last for a million years, like the Dark Age Human Federation except bigger, stronger, and now psychic. Of course, some would argue repeating the mistakes of the Human Federation that was destroyed by its own indolence and reliance on its technology is itself a colossal blunder, but hey, the Emperor clearly believed he could prevent the same thing happening twice.

>>96241550
>There were already hundreds of human empires formed and stable throughout the galaxy
Ah yes, the many Human Empires (They spanned one planet and their technology was lucky to be on a feudal level)
>I mentioned a few of them in my previous post
You mentioned two, not a few, and one of them died in no time at all due to Xenos, already disproving your point, while the other was subjugated by the Eldar, were already about to get Men of Iron'd, and got rolled over by a few Marines led by Horus like they were nothing.
>Humanity would survive
Proven false. Better luck next thread retard.

>>96241596
>Ah yes, the many Human Empires (They spanned one planet and their technology was lucky to be on a feudal level)
At least read my posts. Or the HH novels. Or the HH codexes. Or the Leagues of Votann codex.
>You mentioned two, not a few
At least have the ability to count. Ultramar, Interrex, and Araneus Continuity. There are plenty more mentioned here and there, like the Leagues of Votann.
>one of them died in no time at all due to Xeno
No? I think you have some things mixed up. The Interrex won its war against the xenos. They won so decisively they put all the xenos on a prison world. Horus conquered the Interrex, and the war lasted years of difficult fighting. Ultramar held just fine, and was peacefully absorbed by the Imperium. The Araneus Continuity was a strong empire until the Imperium crushed it and subjugated its homeworld, which would then be renamed Necromunda.
>the other was subjugated by the Eldar, already about to get Men of Iron'd, and got rolled over by a few Marines led by Horus like they were nothing.
??? That describes none of the empires I listed.
>Proven false. Better luck next thread retard.
I think you should probably stop posting.

>>96241480
>No, that's incorrect. Most futures Big E and the other great seers like Malcador witnessed without his rise to power were simply murky, wild, confused.
...And going to end up with Humanity extinct, yeah. "Murky, wild, confused" isn't exactly the outlook you get for "Species will survive."

>Without the Imperium, humanity would live on for millions of years
Not only is this nonsensical fanfiction, but it's directly contradicted.
We see outright that without the Astronomicon that humanity is fucked in the FTL department. The many unified and more adapted Xenos competitors out there would not be so fucked and would gladly drive humanity to extinction, as happened in one of your own examples.

>They'd have to survive against Ork Waaaghs
Any unsupported world falls, immediately.
>Rangdan invasions
The Rangdan would probably have cleansed 99% of humanity. Whatever they missed would be irrecoverably fucked due to the inability to expand.

>>96241636
>R-read my posts
Read the lore, lorelet.
>At least have the ability to count
Oh, you think Ultramar counts? Do you literally not know what a Primarch is, secondary? Embarrassing.
>But muh votann
Nobody cares about an irrelevant sub-species of abhuman.
>No?
Yes.
>The Interrex
It's Interex, secondary. One R, not two, try to read. And they weren't who I was talking about, shows how you don't know the lore lmao
>??? That describes none of the empires
That describes the Interex, lorelet. Quit getting your takes from youtube shorts.
>The Araneus Continuity was a strong empire
They were incredibly weak and reliant on tech they didn't understand and were wiped out by Xenos before the Imperium could actually finish subjugating them. You prove yourself wrong and poorly read again, no surprise there.
>I think you should probably stop posting
I think you should probably stop breathing.

>>96234795
Brother the Terminus Decree was supposed to be a board wipe for the Space Marines if a second HH started, how does them changing it purpose less the 2 years later make sense?

>>96241685
>"Murky, wild, confused" isn't exactly the outlook you get for "Species will survive."
Means they can't see the future clearly nor predict what will actually happen.
>We see outright that without the Astronomicon that humanity is fucked in the FTL department.
Humanity can still travel the stars without the Astronomicon, it's just riskier. Dante and the Lion are rapidly reclaiming thousands of stranded worlds in the Imperium Nihilus. The Leagues of Votann have superior warp drives that let them do so without use of the Astronomicon or Navigators. The Interrex and Araneus Continuity were able to expand outwards just fine, as well.
>The Rangdan would probably have cleansed 99% of humanity.
Not when the Ullanor Orks went after them as the single greatest fight available. Most of humanity wasn't even in the sights of either of these threats.
>Oh, you think Ultramar counts? Do you literally not know what a Primarch is, secondary? Embarrassing.
Ultramar was already a stable empire of its own before Guilliman arrived.
>Nobody cares about an irrelevant sub-species of abhuman.
I care. They're by far the most powerful non-Imperial human empire in the setting. They survived just fine without the Imperium.
>It's Interex, secondary.
Ah, my mistake.
>That describes the Interex, lorelet.
The Interex weren't ruled by Eldar, they were at no risk of a Men of Iron rebellion (where did you even come up with that idea?), and Horus was quite impressed with how dangerous and difficult they were to conquer. It's why he wanted their technology for himself.
>They were incredibly weak and reliant on tech they didn't understand
What on earth are you talking about?
>were wiped out by Xenos before the Imperium could actually finish subjugating them.
They were wiped out because the Imperial Fists destroyed them. The xenos only dealt the finishing blow. You would know that if you actually read the books.
>I think you should probably stop breathing.
I accept your concession.

>>96241480
>Empires would rise and fall, like Ultramar
You know that Ultramar is Roboute's, right? If there's no Imperium there's no Roboute.
>Interex
They got wiped out by Chaos lol. How did they have a solution to something that killed them? Is your cope going to be that because Chaos used marines as their lever it doesn't count for some reason?
>Araneus
The Araneus were wiped out by a tiny force of Fists and Imperial troops and lost their entire "empire" in 2 months. Then they all got wiped out by a random Xenos attack that came through the warp gates they were reliant on. They had never dealt with and no way to deal with Chaos idk why you think they do.

Also it's a fact that most Age of Strife worlds were backwards shitholes. If a world didn't oppress Psykers like hell, it died. If it didn't stomp on innovation, it died. If it had access to the wrong technological refuse from the dark age, it died. If it happened to be in the way of Xenos, it died. The Interex were already using MOI-tier AI and were fucked one way or another.

>>96241773
>They got wiped out by Chaos lol. How did they have a solution to something that killed them? Is your cope going to be that because Chaos used marines as their lever it doesn't count for some reason?
I don't think admitting that the Imperium is actually Chaos in disguise is so great for your argument. While you're absolutely correct that it is, and the Emperor sold humanity to Chaos for power at Molech, it kind of renders your entire point moot - the Emperor's plan was retarded from the beginning, and only resulted in a more broken galaxy than anyone could ever have imagined. Humanity unironically was better off with its fractured and scattered empires than the Imperium. Just not for the reasons you think.

>>96241765
>Means they can't see the future clearly
Gee might be because the Galaxy gets ruled over by Chaos and humanity is fucked.
>Humanity can still travel the stars without the Astronomicon
It's just riskier, shorter, and makes FTL travel fucked like I said, got it retard.
>The Interrex and Araneus Continuity
No they were not lmao, the Interex were unable to expand with any efficiency (They had a whopping 30 systems. In no time flat Roboute was able to beat that) and the Araneus were limited to warp gates that later got them wiped out.
>Not when the Ullanor Orks went after them
Yeah after they do so, and then the entire Galaxy would just get roflstomped and poof, no more humanity!
>Most of humanity wasn't even in the sights
Nah they were wiped off the map wherever they were in the way.
>Ultramar was already a stable empire of its own before Guilliman arrived.
No it wasn't secondary, Ultramar was a tenuous connection of loosely connected planets from the Dark Age. They were in massive decline, reliant on a few aging star systems with sketchy warp travel and a total lack of interconnectivity, unable to expand, constantly decreasing, and not an Empire by any stretch of the imagination. They were a sinking life raft and would've been gone through the civil war that Roboute put a stop to. If not for Roboute, there would be no Ultramar.
>I care
So nobody cares kek
>Ah, my mistake
Yeah its obvious you've never read the books.
>The interex weren't ruled by Eldar
Yes they were secondary, you can't even get their name right so nobody believes you lmao
>they were at no risk of a Men of Iron rebellion
Haha you didn't even read the book
>What on earth are you talking about
Lmfao, youtube slop watching lorelet
>They were wiped out because the Imperial Fists
No, they were wiped out because of the Xenos. The fists are the sole reason Araneus Prime even exists. You would know that if you had actually read the books.
>I-I accept
You accept my nuts on your face secondary.

>>96241773
>The Araneus were wiped out by a tiny force of Fists and Imperial troops and lost their entire "empire" in 2 months.Then they all got wiped out by a random Xenos attack that came through the warp gates they were reliant on.
Because the Fists and their legions of Imperial soldiers annihilated all their defenses, yes. I'm glad you amended your statement to include the full facts, rather than the nonsense you were claiming before.
>Also it's a fact that most Age of Strife worlds were backwards shitholes.
The Interex were so advanced and enlightened that Horus envied them. He wanted their tech for himself.
>The Interex were already using MOI-tier AI and were fucked one way or another.
The Men of Iron only rebelled against the Human Federation because humanity grew fat, lazy, and entitled, using the Men of Iron for everything while treating them like scum. The Interex (and Leagues of Votann) did not have that problem.

>>96241815
>I don't think admitting that [Things nobody said]
Y'know, you can tell when someones argument has fallen apart when they need to claim you said things you didn't actually say.
Let's be real. You're mad that I predicted what your cope was gonna be. That's all it is. Sorry, you're wrong, I'm right, live with it or die mad about it.

>>96241838
Considering your every argument is just blatantly lying about the facts, when you actually got something right I needed to point it out. It's impressive how close you got to the truth. You're soooo close. You're just one little realization away from understanding just how badly the Emperor fucked over humanity by what he did at Molech and everything he did afterwards. You're soooo close to breaking the conditioning and having a functioning brain that can see past all the in-universe propaganda.

>>96241539
>Orks
Imperium didn't dealt with them.
>Necrons
Not a huge deal
>Chaos
Yeah you are correct, Chaos without 9 Space Marines legions and shitton of CSM warbands would be a bigger threat

>>96241833
>Because the Fists and their legions of Imperial soldiers annihilated all their defenses, yes.
The Araneus would have been wiped out regardless as the Fists and Imperial Soldiers were nearly on-par with said Xeno forces. You should've read the book lol.
>The Interex were so advanced and enlightened that Horus envied them
Horus envied the fact that they were not constantly at war and didn't have to deal with a galaxy in flames that needed conquering. They were not particularly enlightened or advanced, which is why they were limited to a mere 30 worlds, and got wiped out in the 40k equivalent of an afternoon because of minor chaos shenanigans.
>He wanted their tech for himself
You know Horus is the guy who fell to Chaos, right? You didn't seem to know about Roboute or Primarchs in general until now so I'm just checking.
>The Men of Iron only rebelled against the Human Federation because
Because they're AI and had no reason to stay subservient. That's all it is.
>N-no muh interex would neva
Nah the books make the comparison and point out that it's a fate they would have suffered. Maybe you should read instead of losing arguments on line over fantasy settings lol

>>96241864
>U-ur lying about fax >:(
Interesting, so you've chosen to die mad about it then?
>In-universe propaganda
Oh boy it's one of the people who take the game too seriously. Please seek a means of touching grass and then (With consent, you freak) a vagina.

>>96241867
>Imperium didn't dealt with them.
It does this constantly.
>Not a huge deal
Yep they are.
>Yeah you are correct
Thanks, I accept your concession.

>>96241868
>>96241874
>>96241831
Touch grass. Or get some help. The Emperor doesn't love you, no matter how much you fellate his rotting cock.

>>96241902
>Waaah I lost the argument and now I'm mass replying because I'm mad!
Acceptio Concessio

>>96241902
What a weird thing to yell at someone after getting mad about the lore of a children's tabletop game.

>>96241904
>>96241914
But it's you guys who cries over OP's subject

>>96241914
You need to take your anti-psychotics if you heard him yell that, brother. If you already flushed them then please at least drink a glass of water and try to get seven good hours of sleep. I'll be thinking of you <3

>>96241952
I haven't even replied to the OP my brother in projection nor do I care to engage with sloptube content.

>>96241973
>You need to take your anti-psychotics if you heard him yell that
Alright so anon, the expression "yell" does not mean "he" (You) literally yelled those words or that anybody heard them, but rather implies the post is very clearly made with the same sort of angry and butthurt tone you'd get from someone who would, in real life, be yelling out of anger.
Hope this helps you understand how to read better!

>>96241952
>Y-you're crying
>Anon said through his tears
>I-I'm only mass replying because YOU are the one who is upset
>Bawwwwwwww
Last reply from me, you've run out of (you)s lol

>>96239877
>There were shitton of DAoT and new human societies which all were destroyed by Imperium
Because they would've fallen to the warp, just like of Interrex did.
Even knowing about the warp in-setting is enough to leave you open to corruption to the warp.
>From banning religion to creating primarchs and space marines
Satanic panic is literally real in 40k, of course he did. Belief has a tangible effect on the physical universe. He very nearly became a new Chaos God because of it, when his goal was to divorce humanity from Chaos.

>>96242062
>Interrex
>fallen to the warp
Excep;t they didn't? They actually knew very well about dangers of Chaos and warp in general. But Imperium still destroyed them completely.
>of course he did.
And it didn't work at all. It's just left humanity with the most malicious religion systems. And Emperor was fucking warned about it by the last priest on Earth.
>He very nearly became a new Chaos God because of it
Quite false. He nearly became chaos god because his overcomplicated plan backfired at him with early trigger of the planned heresy

>>96242166
>Excep;t they didn't?
Didn't read the book award.
>And it didn't work at all
Worked pretty well or the Imperium wouldn't exist. Unfortunately it wasn't enough. Whether that was because the Emperor is written inconsistently/poorly by BL or because the universe is so grim and dark that not even the best laid plans of men can triumph over evil entirely is up to how poorly put together you want the setting to be.
>Quite false
Incorrect, secondary. The Emperor nearly turned into/created a new Chaos God when he started to widely and successfully enforce the Imperial Truth, and through the mass of human psyches affecting the Immaterium almost made an amalgamated psychic force centered on disbelief, reason, and/or logic.

>>96234083 (OP)
The villification of the emperor is so fucking stupid, typical "subverting expectations" hack writing

>>96239954
It is not elaborated on much but there are hints the Sisters' battlefield miracles and getting through the warp in time etc. are operating very similar to Waaagh! effect.

>>96240119
The emperor wasn't Jesus

>>96240119
Did not read, also Christ is King

>>96234083 (OP)
What's really dumb is why give that task to the grey knights instead of you know the custodes and sisters of silence who are right fucking there in his palace and not 900 million miles away

>>96240247
If only Big E did peaceful parenting instead of neglect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqIqcYZDBSk
>GW is a company run by thirdie gangs and normalfags that couldn't care less about warhammer
AHAHAHHA

>>96234228
true

>>96242299
based

>>96242383
GW is a soulless corporation NOW and not any time before.

>>96241313
>comparing optimistic scifi with degenerate anime
Damn...

Looking into setting up a Booru for the thread but I don't want to localhost for security reasons. Any good webhosting services you recommend that are reasonably priced that it would be easy to install some booru software on? I've got tech savvy friends who can spoonfeed me the installation process I just need a remote webhost. Buying a domain is a bit pricey though.

>>96243095
>not any time before
What planet are you living on? GW exists to ship product. All the dumb lorewank? Just to encourage people to buy more miniatures and paint. If you think it's anything else, you're going to get buttfucked over and over.
If it makes you feel happy, think of all that stuff as propaganda put out by one or other of the factions, with it never being the truth on any matter except by pure accident. Yes, this means they can be utterly inconsistent. That's the beauty of it.

>>96234674
Oh hi ADB. Stop inserting your daddy issues and gay chaos wank in 40k, thx.

Myths are more interesting left unexplained, no need for all the predditor atheist bullshit.

You are bald.

>>96243287
I think you are shadowboxing your own demons here mate. I agree with you. My point is GW has been soulless for 10+ years at a minimum. It had it's Bobby Kotick moment decades ago. Acting like it's soulless now most likely just outs you as someone who stupidly shilled for them a decade ago when they were just as bad.

>>96240119
The Emperor is not Jesus. By making him so, you are literally saying Jesus would go around killing his loyal followers for the crime of believing in him instead of trying to correct them. You are fapping to the mental image of a grandma crying out to Jesus while Jesus chops her head off and says God doesn't exist while burning a church. That's what The Emperor would do.

The irony of 40k as a setting is that the teachings of Jesus are perfect counters to the Chaos gods yet the Emperor chose to ignore them because he thinks religion as a whole empowers Chaos. He threw out the baby with the bathwater, if he had discovered the solution himself yet threw it out later, that would be even more retarded than the way GW has him written now.

>>96243523
He also could have just taught the tsons how to be actual psykers so they didnt suffer the flesh change and get manipulated into falling to Tzeentch. Almost like training and psychic assistant technology is pretty effective at reducing daemonic possession as we see with the Gray Knights and Sanctioned Psykers. There are multiple ways to skin a cat. He just chose the starvation route which seems the least likely to work.

>>96234211
>>96239577
>>96240638
> Reee stop pushing YOUR agenda
> But it's ok if I do it!!!
Literally as gross and nonsensical as a man thinking he is a woman. You are both disgusting faggots and if both sides killed themselves human who enter a new golden age

>>96243692
>/tg/ - Traditional Games

>go to /tg/
>click on thread
>scroll down
>people arguing about trannies
Every time.

>>96243774
hmm
>>96240649

>>96234320
A corpse on a big chair

>>96234260
>Iv'e made this new pattern of dreadnought and terminators! I'm not going to use it when a primarch, and 3 legions are getting decimated though. Don't want the traitors reverse engineering them.....like they're going to do anyway.
>Hmm my dad is highly powerful psyker who is holding together a warp rift on terra. If he gets off it that rift might open again so I'm gonna make a bomb that the destroys the planet if he ever leaves.....because that will help seal the warprift and not exacerbate it.

Every day I hate this nigger a little more.

>>96241868
>>96241685
>>96242062
I’ve come to see glorious 40k related seethe, and I was not disappointed.

>>96242299
Move to Russia already LARPer

>>96244633
Destroying the Webway gate would trap the rift in the Webway and prevent it from spilling out. The Emperor just refuses to take such a measure because that Webway gate is the only way he could save humanity. If one day he gains the psychic strength necessary to push back the Warp rift, he could repair the Webway tunnels behind the Gate and try his dream again.

The Emperor is a good guy, he saved humankind time and time again, he's the psychic merging of thousands of shamans of old earth who sacrificed themselves with the sole reason to guide mankind and defeat chaos, everything past this point of the lore is fanction created by literal failed writers under the instructions of evil jews who hate you goyims and (you) goy who bought and wasted time reading those books, yes (you) are 90 IQ cattle.
The Emperor protects.

>>96245622
The Emperor was never good. People were just clueless of his source inspiration, God-Emperor of Dune, where Leto II Atreides turns himself into a horrifying mutant half-sandworm and abuses his precognizance to rule all of humanity and the stars with the most cruel and savage tyranny of all time. Literally setting orphanages on fire just because he can. The God-Emperor of Mankind is no different than Leto II, except unlike Leto II, GEoM is retarded and thinks he's actually going to usher in a new age of enlightenment by strangling humanity under the single bloodiest dictatorship in all of human history. Leto II at least understood what he was doing was morally reprehensible.

>>96245622
>LARPer post
>BT image
Every time

>>96245644
Good try but we're talking about the Emperor of mankind and not Dune, whenever it took inspiration from it or not (it didn't), consider this you ignorant retard, the Emperor of mankind is tied to the double headed eagle, which is a symbol that comes from the story of Enki & Enlil, which of course, you don't know shit about because you are one of the aforementioned 90IQ black shittery readers and don't haste yourself looking for a summary of it on your nearest AI cuckold, you won't find the correct information there, it's all in ancient texts that aren't well known, yes, the initial story of 40k wasn't made as satire, it was made by esoteric initiates.

>>96245663
>the initial story of 40k wasn't made as satire, it was made by esoteric initiates.
The initial story of 40k was about Emperor building Golden Throne to escape death from old age with Ultramarines being traitor legion.

>>96245483
>Destroying the Webway gate would trap the rift in the Webway and prevent it from spilling out.
Or make it impossible to close. Chaos is chaotic and throwing in the psychic power of big E makes the portal alone an unstable unpredictable nuke in of itself saying else is wishful thinking.

It could seal, it could get bigger, you don't know, nobody knows and certainly not the nigger primarch. Here's some things that you should factor in though:
>Emperor is a psyker. The best psyker
>Psykers are impacted by emotions just like the warp and stressing them out makes waves in the immaterium in scale with the ability of the psyker.
>The warp can and does get powerful enough to defy it's own rules like spawning warp portals or dabbing on shitty man-made webway gates that nobody has the ability to maintain in years.
>Nuking terra would kill everyone on it. Killing mass amounts of people causes the warp to churn even more since now there is a spontaneous surplus of souls and deamons trying to eat the souls in that area.

Even if your little webway gate successfully closes with no issues whatsoever. Who cares? You just created several known factors for a great rift 2.0 and another cg.

>>96245622
>The Emperor is a good guy, he saved humankind time and time again, he's the psychic merging of thousands of shamans of old earth who sacrificed themselves with the sole reason to guide mankind and defeat chaos, everything past this point of the lore is fanction created by literal failed writers
Unironically true.
Rest of your post is pointless 4chan nignogbabble.

>>96245877
>Unironically true.
Unironically false. Humanity should not be enslaved by a bunch of prehistoric shamans who fuck-murdered each other into a literal mutant abomination with all the emotional range of a fucking robot. The Emperor was supposed to protect humanity from Chaos, but instead he's handing it to Chaos on a silver platter. He is a failure in every regard, and a hypocrite, and humanity should have disposed of him while it had the chance.

>>96244633
>>Hmm my dad is highly powerful psyker who is holding together a warp rift on terra. If he gets off it that rift might open again so I'm gonna make a bomb that the destroys the planet if he ever leaves.....because that will help seal the warprift and not exacerbate it.
Vulkan created that thing at the behest of the Emperor.
Hell, it's even highly implied that it was in reality the Emperor who made the talisman, but he was doing it by controlling Vulkan's body to do it. Kinda like how Emperor possessed Guilliman whem Morty killed G-man but then brought him back to life.
Vulkan's memories of the creation of the talisman are hazy at best and he can't fully remember how he did it. Which is already suspicious since primarchs have perfect memory and never forget.
And then you remember that the Emperor has done this memory fuckery to primarchs before too. It's what he did with Molech, he hid those memories from all the primarchs who visited the planet.

>>96245905
>Humanity should not be enslaved by a bunch of prehistoric shamans
It should be because it is for it's own good.
And seeing how the Imperium is and has done for the past 10 000 years, it only reinforces further that humanity needs a permanent God-King übermensch to be their tard wrangler 24/7 so they don't kill each other or do something more stupid.

It doesnt matter what happens because GW has like...three factions that can only be beaten with asspulls.
>The spacebugs' main fleet is larger than the galaxy itself and the scouts are already fucking shit up
>The Necrons only have not won yet because...reasons
>Chaos cant die until life itself decides to stop existing.
GW, somehow, wrote themselves into 3 corners that they can't get out of.

>>96245955
>It should be because it is for it's own good.
If humanity cannot be trusted with its own free will and allowed to forge its own path to prosperity, then enslaving it and forcing it to suffer all the more in a hopeless attempt to 'fix' it is just cruelty. Either it deserves to live free and it can prosper through freedom as it did during the Human Federation, or it should be allowed to die as the consequence of its own mistakes if it cannot save itself. The Emperor has rejected both options and instead trapped humanity in an infinite stagnating stalemate of his own design.

>>96245962
>GW, somehow, wrote themselves into 3 corners that they can't get out of.
Have Russ save Isha from Nurgle's Garden.
Bring her back to the Emperor so she can fully and truely heal him, causing him be able to get off the throne but still control it remotely with his new found power.
Have Grey Knights appear to try enforce the Terminus Decree but then stop seeing that the master of mankind has truely returned. In shame the Grey Knights commit ritual suicide so they can empower the Emperor further by releasing their souls and psychic energy.

Emperor then proceeds to either destroy all 3 threats or disable them to make them harmless with the wave of his hand.
Humanity and eldar prosper together and their gods walk amongst their people forever more.

>>96234083 (OP)
>how to fix everything
The Emperor is a failed Man of Gold. The Emperor was a last ditch effort from the Men of Gold to create the perfect ruler, only for their nearly complete project to get interrupted by Chaos and the Emperor yeeted to Terra and every following action was exactly how Chaos wanted it to happen.

>>96245962
>The Necrons only have not won yet because...reasons
They're honestly the least intimidating of the main three villains. They're disorganized, their bodies are crumbling, their leaders are senile or worse, insane, their old dynasties were scattered around the galaxy and keep fighting each other rather than standing together against a common threat, their superweapon stockpiles are too dangerous to use (like the celestial orrery, which using as a weapon would cause suicidal consequences), and their victory condition requires them finding enough blackstone to build a galactic pylon network. But the Mechanicus is already raiding them for their blackstone reserves thanks to Cawl. Oh and the Crons literally can't wipe out the other factions because they need organic bodies to reverse Biotransference with.

>>96246008
Man, you really love wanking humanity and the emperor, dont ya?

>>96245999
>If humanity cannot be trusted with its own free will and allowed to forge its own path to prosperity, then enslaving it and forcing it to suffer all the more in a hopeless attempt to 'fix' it is just cruelty.
It's really not.
Humanity is like a stubborn, petulent, retarded child.
And like with all children you DO need to control them and disclipine them, even harshly in many cases, so they grow up right and so don't turn out retarded once they reach adulthood.

>>96246025
Yeah.

>>96246036
>Humanity is like a stubborn, petulent, retarded child.
Except for one small problem: it's not a child. It already proved it can build a hyper-advanced mega utopia during the Dark Age of Technology, and it didn't need the Emperor to do so. Humanity must be allowed to choose its own destiny, or else it will no longer be human. What the Emperor is trying to force its evolution into is literally the Custodes: strong, brilliant, noble, yes, superior in every way to current humanity, yes, except that it is completely unable to defy him. His vision for humanity, what he defines as the endpoint of human evolution, would remove its free will and forever shackle it to him. Again, that means humanity is nothing more than the puppet of a psychic abomination. This is not a glorious golden age for mankind, it's the death of mankind.

>>96246043
If the Emperor was anywhere near as powerful as wankers like you think he is, then he would have just won the moment he existed. When it is shown, multiple times, that the emepror is more of an idiot than anything who is nowhere near as powerful as some other characters in the series. He lost to one of his kids like a bitch.

>>96240119
>the Emperor was Jesus
Lorelet.

>>96240872
>muh feelings
>looks at modern civilization
Bruh.

>>96246053
>Except for one small problem: it's not a child. It already proved it can build a hyper-advanced mega utopia during the Dark Age of Technology
Once and it no longer is for reasons out of their grasp, yes, but also because they never considered it to even possibly happen. And due to this has regressed back to being and acting like a retarded, petulent child.
But like all children, they can attain greatness when nurtured properly.

>>96246063
>If the Emperor was anywhere near as powerful as wankers like you think he is
He is.
>then he would have just won the moment he existed.
No, he is the most powerful god like being to exist but everything takes time.
You need time to fully and safely realize the plans. Rome wasn't built in a day.

>>96240649
>Custodes
>supposed to be the absolute pinnacle of Humankind being physically attractive and the peak of diplomacy and tact
>tranny
>a complete mockery of humanity, neither male or female with most killing themselves or killing others
Female Custodes could be forgiven if they were beautiful and not outright a self insert power fantasy for mentally diseased individuals.

>>96246118
>But like all children, they can attain greatness when nurtured properly.
They already were great. They still are. The Emperor is fueling the Imperium's bloody gears with the greatness of humanity, sacrificing what little it still has to maintain his absolute control over the species.
>And due to this has regressed back to being and acting like a retarded, petulent child.
If humanity has become infantile, it's thanks to the Emperor and his disastrously shitty policies:
>took away their freedom to develop new technology and rediscover the old, stagnating science permanently
>regressed human culture to the point of being hate-driven monkeys who only know how to kill everyone that is different from them, causing endless strife inside the Imperium when people should be working together
All the things the Emperor claims to despise most is what he's turned humanity into.

>>96246129
>He is the most powerful character in the setting!
That means he can just do whatever, right?
>Yes
Then why doesnt he?
>Uhhhhh! All part of the plan!
But he could just...do the thing, right now.
>SHUT UP!

>>96246161
>the Emperor is just another piece of tbe great game
There are only 4 end game factions.
>Chaos
>Orks
>Tyranids
>Necrons
Everything else gets wiped out, and even then the Tyranids are the only faction with the canon feat of consuming multiple galaxies. Many faggots on the internet forget that everything that the Tyranids have displayed so far is merely the MINIMUM of their ability.

>Talisman of Seven Hammers
>The Golden Throne is a Webway and during the heresy this and that
I don't even know when these things were added to the lore, but it is yet again proven that mostly anything expanded upon because of the HH books is rancid trash

>>96245622
>The Emperor is a good guy
this
>WE ARE THE ONLY SOURCE OF GOODNESS, SEVERE AND DRASTIC. THERE IS NO OTHER SOURCE OF HOPE THAN US. WE ARE AGONISINGLY ALONE

>be GK
>receive psychic vision that the emperor is getting off his throne
>fuck it terminus time
>go to terra and get into throne room by lying (kind of) and saying the emperor summoned you
> all one thousand of you pile into the throne room
>hes still sitting
>what?.dataslate
>emperor psychically thanks you all for comming and says you are all relieved of service
>the emperor then takes and nails all of your souls onto a new door for the terran webway
>emperor can now safely stand up and does so
>justasplanned.png

>>96234083 (OP)
The Old Republic is a bad MMO, but it has a nice setting for a TT campaign.

Especially a dark side one.

What if the terminus protocol is actually just a plan to sacrifice a thousand top tier psykers really quick to power him up

>>96245933
>Grey knight (known retards) has a stupid idea, writes it on a piece of paper and calls it the terminus decree.
>makes no sense.
>"buh buh it wasn't from me it was from the emperor himself!"
>Vulkan (tard primarch) decides to make a bomb in the capital of the capital of the empire he helped create.
>makes no sense
>"buh buh it waas the emperor who made me do it!"
>any retarded imperial does some stupid ass shit
>"The emperor told me to! His will be done!"

Is the emperor telling you to drive your truck filled with explosives into a federal building?

>>96248071
He's telling me catgirls are canon and bangably hot (I'm a schizoid darktide psyker)

>>96239917
>Pharos
God, I miss the days of "WhAt's ScARing the TyranIDS?!!?". At least then I didn't have to put up with Black Library's bollocks being brought up every five seconds.

>>96234083 (OP)
How do the editions differ from each other? Is the 4th edition better than the 3rd?