Thread 96265709

Soulless edition

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>Previously
>>96226942

>TQ
thoughts on mtg getting 5 more marvel sets in the future?

>TQ
It's never too late to do what Hitler never even intended or attempted to do.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>TQ
Don't care. I'm playing on Arena. Looking forward to the Universes Within actually.

>>96265751
>discards wonder

>>96265709 (OP)
What happens when you insert all of the infinity anal beads?

hello, why was the orange stone black?

>The Sovlless Stone
always trust WotC to fuck things up

>>96265828
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK!

I'm going to take a big break from any nu-MTG for about four years until after the UBslop is cycled out. Hopefully Cocks is booted from his position by then with a golden parachute as those kikes usually are after destroying everything.

>>96265709 (OP)
>mvci stones
Thats a blast from the past. Capcom was insane thinking they could get away with this Collector's Edition, or even the game for that matter

>>96265904
see you next week!

>>96265904
>destroying everything
Define destroying everything. Because the only thing that matters is Hasbro's profits.

>>96265940
>profits
Stocks still down since FIRE began. Well below the pre-FIRE peak.

>>96265916
I'm going to stop at the spiderman release. And then I'm going to stick to only premodern, preFIRE modern, and maybe pauper if the meta doesn't change too much. I'm not going to buy any new cards.

>>96265709 (OP)
>Infinity eggs
Classic

>>96265988
Yeah but Magic is the only thing keeping them afloat. So you can be damn sure nobody will be shaking the boat.

>>96266065
>grew 23% driven by the release of Final Fantasy

>ONE FIFTH of WotC's valuation is FIN

lol
lmao
they're going to move forward under the assumption that this will be the new normal for WotC's valuation

lmao

>>96265709 (OP)
>two blue eggs
they couldn't even be fucked to paint the other one green?
holy kek

>>96265709 (OP)
Remember when they did a run of licensed Moxen jewellery and they were actually the real gemstones of the Moxen, with real gold, made by an actual jewellery?

>What have I become.
>My empire of dirt.

Stormchaser's Talent is too strong of a card. I tried to play Arena earlier, turn 1 the opponent plays an Izzet-coloured land and a Stormchaser's Talent. At this point I am already titled because I know he is playing the Vivi deck that everyone plays these days, and I just alt-F4'd.

>>96266289
>!cmc 1/1 with upside that draws two cards on ETB
WotC is retarded beyond compare if they can't spot how egregious this design is. It's close to fucking Ancestral Recall in terms of value for cost.

>>96265847
because orange is the new black

Memnite with Haste and Prowess.
Print it, cowards.

>>96265709 (OP)
Happy Easter!

EOE sealed is a terrible format. Final Fantasy sealed was also bad like most sealed formats but the bombs in this format are just on another level. Ourowhatever, Riddler, Elegy, these cards have 65%+ winrates in draft lol

I got some cards that I want to get rid of, I have a set of Marsh Flats but some of them are signed by its artist, Izzy. A regular one would go around $20 but how much I should asked for the signed ones? I checked ebay for previous listings but couldn't find any.

>>96265709 (OP)
>thoughts on mtg getting 5 more marvel sets in the future?
When, exactly, was this ever implied?
Are you sure we're not just getting all six infinity stones in Spider-Man?

>>96266489
Final Fantasy had an excellent draft, what are you on about?

>>96266520
"Sealed"
moron

>>96265828
after you discard wonder i tap tormod's crypt to sacrifice it and exile all the cards in your graveyard

>>96265847
Because the colour of the Stone in the comics doesn't correlate with the colour of mana in Magic it'd best be associated with. The Mind Stone is yellow but is almost certainly gonna be blue in Magic, Power is purple but is probably gonna be red, etc.

>>96266515
They've said to look forward to them in other sets, but that doesn't imply one per set. I don't think you COULD even do 5 more Marvel sets. Like 3 more at most (X-Men/Mutants stuff, Cosmic stuff, Avengers/General Marvel stuff). One of those could have one more (X-Men probably), Avengers could have two and then a Cosmic set could have the last two and the Gauntlet.

>>96266314
Omnite {0}
Artifact Creature - (R)
Haste prowess double strike trample deathtouch lifelink indestructible defender menace flying decayed hexproof vigilance
If omnite would be put into your graveyard from anywhere, exile it instead.
0/1

mmm I wonder, would this work? don't have all the copies yet to try it

Remember what they took from you

>>96266933
The ability to take a screenshot?

>>96266933
>5.52 MB

>>96266619
>X-men
>Avengers
>Cosmic stuff
>Street level stuff
>Mystic stuff
I doubt they'd stretch it out that far, but they could do it.

>>96267327
I don't think you can do JUST Avengers and JUST street level, they overlap way too much, especially given Spidey will have lesser presence in those (I'd imagine he'll probably still show up because it's Spider-Man he's literally the most popular superhero). Mystic stufff is also VERY small in Marvel, especially with regards to the public consciousness of it. Cosmic stuff, people at least know GOTG, Galactus, Silver Surfer and you could get a lot off of just those, and then slip in somewhat lesser-known ones like Nova and Phyla-Vell and the like.

>>96267327
All my money is that wizards was making the deal 5 years ago (already late) and now they are forcing to shit a bunch of disney shit way too late to the party

>>96267441
>I don't think you can do JUST Avengers and JUST street level
Disagree. They'd have to dip a bit deeper than the most popular stuff, but even just looking at movies and TV shows: for Avengers they obviously have the team itself, they have the SHIELD show, and whoever else they want to add from their billion movies. For street level, they have the Defenders, the Punisher, Moon Knight, She Hulk, maybe Deadpool if you're not tossing him in with X-Men. Then there's anyone they want to pull from comics, even this set had some relatively deep cuts. Plus it's not like there can't be overlap, plenty of characters show up in both kinds of stories, like you mentioned with Spider-Man. Mystic stuff is probably the weak link, yeah. Maybe they fluff it out with multiverse shit, idk.

>>96265709 (OP)
I refuse to play with any UB slop specially if it looks as garbage as Spooderman so I’m glad I play in Arena only.

>>96267681
>refuse to play with any UB
>play in Arena
How, exactly, do you avoid the FF players? Do you have a concede ratio of 90%?

>>96266538
how could you have crypt in play when I countered it?

>>96267726
FF at least tangentially feels like Magic. Marvel will not.

>>96267801
1-6, 9, and 12 do have a lot more in common with the type of fantasy in MTG than piderman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7-TQdN40Dk

>>96267764
red elemental blasted your counterspell

>>96267882
blue blast your red blast (it only makes my tog bigger!)

>>96267914
gg I scoop
making a stiflenought deck next

>>96267609
I just can't see there being more than 4 total, but maybe they'll surprise me. It might even just be three (X-Men as one more and then "everything else with Avengers as a focal point").

>>96267801
sex

Magic is missing femininity, like it had in the 90s.
They mentioned wanting to do 'romantasy' to make a feminine set and I have no idea what that is but I hope it means more Rebecca Guay art.
A much more interesting idea than most of their sets, as stupid as it sounds.

>>96268727
It's going to be Ugin and Bolas fucking to get the fujo audience.

is the Premodern tournament player around?
are there any great Gush + Mox Diamond decks in the format?
the content creator I watch plays a Grizzly Fate control deck that runs that engine and it looks awesome.

>>96268813
actually can I just add Mox Diamond + Swords to Plowshare to Dreadnought? off 4 Flooded Strand 1 Plains.
gives outs to turn 1 Dreadnought as well.

>>96268813
Grow and Grow-a-tog decks run both Mox and Gush in the main. Check them out.

>>96268813
Try this.

Where can I go to discuss MTG finances?

>>96269191
Official WotC Discord

>Went to sealed event with my sister and her coworkers (second limited event I've done in years)
>3-0'd again, with the opposite colors I built with last time
>Opponents had mana issues in 3 games, meanwhile I never had mana issues with my 3-color deck
I always thought I was shit at building decks, but maybe I'm just shit at building commander decks, because all my other decks seem to work just fine. Guess I should play more real formats like standard.

>>96266595
watch nosewater use this as an excuse to "bend" the colorpie in the future

Are you not tired of having to buy new cards every new set and decks looking unrecognizable after a few months? Do you have no love for this game and what is used to be?
Are you really playing with Cosmogoy now? When I saw that card I didn't even believe it was real for a second. What a joke this game is.

How do you guys beat amulet titan in modern?
My main decks are boros energy and colorless tron, I always lose turn 2-3 and feel like there's nothing I can do about it.

>>96269957
the same way you beat every other combo deck, interaction and pressure, but there are some amulet draws where you really can't do anything fast enough, there's a reason the deck has been around for over a decade at this point, it has some disgusting openers

So is there any reason to do this over the pure blue/green version with easier mana, llanowar elves, more counterspells?
The Seriema feels nice but holy shit do you need something convoluted to actually win the game with it.

I haven't seen anyone come up with an easier combo, and if you play and lose any pieces of this you can't go infinite, and its not that easy to protect so they'd have to be tapped out. It would go;
>The Seriema/Jill in either order, if you already used it to start Kona you can recur it with Jill
>Seriema gets Ambrosia, who returns Seriema
>Seriema gets Worrywort, who returns Ambrosia, who returns Seriema
>Seriema gets Roxanne, who deals 2 damage and returns Ambrosia thanks to Worrywart
>Ambrosia returns Roxanne
>Roxanne deals 2 and returns Ambrosia
>loop two steps above 9 more times, for ~30 casts before lethal and another ~30 triggers with targets

Looks awful to play through

What can save this game at this point? Fire COCKS and Nosewater seems not enough

Reliable way to always get 2 specific cards into the grave by T2?

Preferably for 2 mana and either in mono B or Golgari.

>>96270312
Avatar: The Last Airbender (2005) will save M:tG, right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb_fFj_0rq8

>>96270301
Yeah this looks awful. There's no way you cut the Marang package even with Seriema grabbing only Legendary thhings. Not sure what you'd cut though. Maybe the Consults, Worrywort, and Ambrosia. Not only do the dragons draw your entire deck, but they're also usually the best thing to cheat out with Kona if you don't have Omni in hand.

>>96270357
*ways

I want a variety of ideas. Presume 3 of the opening hand cards are already locked and are NOT the 2 cards wanted in the grave.

>>96270357
>>96270405
I'm not sure I'm understanding your question correctly, the only thing that gurantees getting a specific card in the graveyard as early as possible are Entomb-effects, the other options are self-mill and discard, but they're not guaranteed, are you asking what are the best cards to do that? If so, Malevolent Rumble and Cache Grab come to mind.

>>96267503
it's very clear magic sets are pitched or thematically laid down somewhere between 2.5 and 3.5 years in advance, given you can usually track what was popular that much time before spoiler/release and go "oh hey yeah that lines up"
so given how slowly big disney shit sometimes moves it would not surprise me to tack another year onto that minimum.

>>96270571
Yes, 2 entombs would be the ideal... If it didn't mean spending 80 bucks on entombs.
Self-mill works. The more the better. Half of the library into the grave.

>>96267726
>>96267801
>>96267681
when the FF sets feel and look more like magic-as-you-remember-it than even canon real magic sets (space? haha le comedy death race planechase! whatever the fuck 80s nostalgiawank they turned the horrorhouse in space into) you know shit's gone decidedly wrong

my decision to sell off and get out when the walking dead shit wasn't roundly rejected by the community was the right choice, even if I got called a doomsayer at the time.

>>96269957
>Tron
miserable matchup. you don't.
>Energy
losing matchup but winnable. Thraben Charm to kill Urza's Saga (or stop their Analyst loop). Static Prison their Amulets if they play them out instead of holding in hand for combo turn. Put some Blood Moons in your board.
normal pressure + disruption vs combo.
I feel genuinely bad as a Titan player when I got paired into a ETron guy. Energy I've lost to but I'm obviously happy to run into.
If you really want to crush Amulet you'd have to play blue decks or faster combo decks. The reason it's been so good since MH3 is that it has a winning Energy matchup.

Thoughts on Station mechanic?

>>96270668
quit the game yet you're addicted to crying about it on social media lol

>>96270896
Shit. Only slightly less bad than battles.

>>96270896
Just like with Battles, those that see play are played primarily for the ETB effect, and rarely ever flipped/activated.

>>96270390
Marang combo doesn't really work with Seriema does it. I mean, there's no deterministic way to make Seriema on its own go infinite other than that package of 4 bad cards (ambrosia, worrywart, jill, finisher like roxanne)
If you have marang in hand you could cut down the number of cards needed, like prime speaker + jill as only other targets, since you can draw your whole deck with those IF you have marang already
but if you have the marang package then seriema is kind of redundant, you can already tap off planets, you can win on the spot with empath, its just a mana tutor for kona. Shit why not just play black and run wishclaw talisman at that point

actually I'm looking at it and is jill necessary in that loop at all? I see a loop
>seriema -> ambrosia -> seriema -> worrywart -> ambrosia -> seriema -> roxanne -> ambrosia -> roxanne -> ambrosia
that's still 3 dead cards on top of seriemas

>>96270896
In my experience, it's only good in limited if your deck can just shovel out creatures to go wider than your opponent, and it's only good in constructed if attacking with it means you win the game. Every time I played against boros and they tried getting ahead long-term by stationing, I would just hit them with 8+ damage and that kinda made their new 3/4 flyer kinda useless.

>>96271511
also example list that used marangs from a tournament

https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71946&d=745393&f=ST
How are you supposed to actually assemble a combo with that? You need 2x marangs + roxanne, and to draw those marangs the only non-marang card draws are cache grab, cryogen, dragonstorm. That's it. If you cache grab hitting both roxanne and marang you need to take roxanne because you have no way to recur her. Jill can bounce a cryogen or dragonstorm to draw 2, dragonstorms can draw with dragons sure

fizzle rate must be enormous though. Only 14 cards can help you dig for marangs, 4 marangs you need to hit, and the dig cards often only see 1-2 cards deep at a time unlike stock up / star chart.

>>96270896
Useful for tapping Kona on turn 3

Also what do you guys think about a sultai build with all black mana sources so it can use beseech the mirror as both way to get out Kona and tutor its wincon
because apparently that exists

eh I'd probably cut stock up for some kind of ETB draw artifact/enchantment creature you can recur with marang and sac to beseech

I went back to running Myojin because now I get to spy on peoples decklists LOL

>>96271700
that's a cute build. I like how The Seriema searches for and taps Koma
and Portable Hole + Pinnacle Starcage is good interaction.
wonder if there could be a United Battlefront version of this deck somehow.

>>96271781
trying to replicate this and I assume it looks something like this

>>96271879
seems like red or white would just beat your face in then get rid of kona

>>96271781
>>96271879
Ah yes. The decks that should be banned with the card that should've been banned but JotC decided to ban a white card as a scapegoat

>>96270896
This fucking designers are so clueless is painful. Station is crew but faaar worse and the payoff of this cards is in most cases worse. Nothing would have been broken or wrong if Station was Sorcery but just like with Saddle they just wanna push this vehicle shit so hard…

>>96271948
Which is bizarre since Spacecraft aren't affected by anything involving Vehicles since they are only "Spacecraft"

>>96271932
I think so too, a grip of unsummons, counterspells and lost in the maze can actually hold off aggro

>>96271948
>>96271151
>>96270974
stations are battles but worse

station would be functionally identical to just:

Battle for the Greenhouse {4G}
Battle - Siege (uncommon)
When this siege enters, put a +1/+1 counter on each creature you control
Your creatures may attack this battle as though they had haste and they can't be blocked attacking it.
//////
Green shithouse
Creature
Flying trample
5/4

>>96271781
>ETB tapped blue land + llanowar elves + 1BBB sorcery
there is no way you are ever casting that shit, as good as it is once you have Omniscience

>>96272286
those are both kona decks, two different kona decks

UG anon has llanowar elves and ETB tapped blue land
opponent has 5 lands that all make black, with Sesur Secundi to tap kona

>>96272224
Its easier to power a station than to win a battle

>>96272224
What the fuck are you talking about? It's easier to tap 8 power than it is to connect 8 damage. Even with your dumb haste and can't be blocked clause, you're ignoring removal.

how are you guys liking the current TRAVIS SCOTT format?

>>96272395
I'm building an oven for travis scott and his (((handlers)))

>>96272370
>Its easier to power a station than to win a battle
AND THAT IS BAD DESIGN

IT IS A GAME. THINGS SHOULD BE INTERACTIVE. DESIGNING MECHANICS THAT TAKE OLDER MECHANICS AND TURN THEM INTO SOLITAIRE IS BAD DESIGN.

>>96272891
based, we should bring back damage on the stack

>>96271781
>>96271879
I think you can drop black no problem.

Floodpits Drowner is an insane tool alongside Lost in the Maze, and Consult the Star Chart solves most of the same issues as Pillage the Bog. You have a ton of filtering, so Beseech just isn't needed, and Corroding Dragonstorm does fuck all in most situations.

Unable to Scream is a good choice though.

>>96266102
That's not a valuation. That's revenue. You don't value off that. What it does mean is they'll court more licensing and probably do another FF set sooner than later.

Spider-Man is the tip of the iceberg that they've apparently already committed to.

And Avatar will probably have memba berry legs.

>buy 1(one) card
>it comes as a thick package in a giant bubble mailer
>inside the bubble mailer are 2 pieces of cardboard taped around the sleeved card surrounded by a layer of bubble wrap
i don't know why they didn't just send it in a toploader. this entire package had to have cost more than $5 to send

>>96273022
>Toploaders
expensive
>Cardboard tape and bubble wrap
Also expensive, but it feels cheaper.

>>96272939
Beseech isn't just a way to filter, its copies 5-8 of kona that also serves as a deterministic wincon if you have omni out, like empath does. Beseech is the whole reason that guy is playing the black shell, I ran into him again and he used Wurmwall Sweeper on turn 2 as a card that digs for his combo, sacs to beseech and taps kona
If you cast stock up on turn 4 to find kona, you set up for a turn 5 kill, okay. If you cast beseech on turn 4, you can win on turn 4.

Dragonstorm is just the same 1-of wincon as Roxanne, Overlord, Myojin, Battleship etc. When you loop it with Marang it is infinite life loss for opponent

>>96273022
Bro may have bubble wrap and cardboard laying around from his dragon dildo orders

I hope you guys hold onto your toploaders. Not only are they useful for when you want to sell cards, you can also send them in bulk on ebay for a pretty decent price (decent considering it's basically 0 work)

>>96273111
>sell cards
?

>>96273022
Who is this semen demen

anytime a private seller sends me cards in a free toploader a little bit of pre comes out of the tip of my dickhole

>>96272891
my point was station is not functionally identical, since as you pointed out, you can interact with battles

>>96273252
>my point was station is not functionally identical
So you admit to being a pedant with nothing of value to say.
Great, now fuck off.

>>96270896
Revert F.I.R.E.

Fire anyone who approves of F.I.R.E.

>>96273375
Everyone who disapproved of F.I.R.E. got fired.

Im looking to get into MTG irl because of the Final Fantasy cards like probably every other person that likely visited this thread in the past 2 months.
My question is simple, where do I find decent/fun commander decks based around a FF commander?
Bonus points if its a Kefka deck or something that uses Rydia/Terra/Yuna because I like my waifu cards
>why commander
Because when I asked my local card shop about the playerbase here the guy said its 90% commander players

>>96273492
ask on the commander general
>>96270059

>>96273499
my bad, I didnt realize you had this separated

>>96273258
Idiot

>>96273574
>"It's pretty much the same thing."
>"Acschtualllllyyy! It's not EXACTLY identical!!!!!!"

Fuck off, pedant. Nothing you have to say is of any import.

>>96273375
>>96273463
The only way to fix the FIRE design problem is with more fire.

but Abuelo was clearly the problem, right guys?

>>96274045
monstrous rage and heartfire hero were the problem and the only reason aggro and vivi were meta decks

>>96274134
>88 fucking %
How the fuck can a company be this bad at balance? And after that many bans man…

>>96274348
>How the fuck can a company be this bad at balance?
No, they're even worse.
Remember, this is the state of the format after SEVEN BANS.

>>96274388
>after SEVEN BANS.
and rotation, which is effectively like, an additional 15~ish bans not counting manabases

Friendly reminder at least with Cutter we had Omnscience and Jeskai control as playables with these changes we have only UR and UB as the main decks

Rate idea for a card to print in new standard

Monster's Rage {R}
Enchantment - Aura
Flash
Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.
When this aura enters, enchanted creature gets +2/+0 until end of turn.

>>96265709 (OP)
Thoughts on what mechanics will be returning in Lorwyn/Strixhaven? I feel like Tribal and Magecraft cards are the most obvious ones.

>>96274481
nice limited/dratf card idiot

>>96274482
>Thoughts on what mechanics will be returning in Lorwyn/Strixhaven?
Diversity.

>>96274482
Study 3 (You may tap any number of creatures with total power 3 or greater as you cast this spell. If you do, you may reveal a Lesson card you own from outside the game and put it into your hand, or discard a card to draw a card.)

>>96274482
a bunch of kinship cards in lorwyn
a bunch of fractal support in strixhaven

>>96274498
Create a student pilot token (This token crews vehicles, saddles mounts, stations planets and spacecraft, and studies as if its power were 2 grater)

>>96274482
I want Strixhaven return to make Golgari pest deck a real thing and a revamp on all those useless but cool dragons

>>96274482
>Lorwyn
Planeswalkers!
>Strixhaven
Ruining Pauper!

>>96274517
So it can't even Harmonize, Enlist, Emerge or Clash as though its power were 2 greater?

>>96274544
Emerge and clash aren't about power, silly. The other 2 will be in though.

>>96274498
Should be based off toughness instead of power

>>96274134
>>96274348
It's almost fascinating how a 2-mana enchantment that pretty much said "whenever you cast this spell or another spell, draw a card" was the only way to get more than a handful of people to run control. It's especially funny because you can tell people are trying to run more control and are doing well with it, but most people just seem to be running Vivi regardless because of how consistent the deck is and because people are already comfortable piloting it.

>>96274564
its okay, vivi got a 2 mana card that winds up drawing them a bunch of extra cards AND making them +3 mana the turn it comes down lmao
just cast the quantum riddler for 1U draw 2 cards, put a +1/+1 counter on it with cauldron, add 5 mana, cast more bullshit

>>96274564
>especially funny because you can tell people are trying to run more control and are doing well with it, but most people just seem to be running Vivi regardless because of how consistent the deck is and because people are already comfortable piloting it.
The deck is not only consistent, but disgustingly hard to disrupt. Cauldron means any non-exile removal is basically just a blank brick that does nothing, leaving the format which SORELY lacks even remotely decent interaction totally impotent when trying to deal with it.

>>96274611
Well you see WotC can't print good removal because Commander players feel bad whenever someone blows up their creature. That's why removal is for some reason regressing into being more expensive and locked to sorcery speed despite creatures becoming more and more threatening.

>>96274134
Vivi is currently a meta deck.
>>96274348
In order to have a balanced game either one of two things must happen:
>creature power levels must be decreased
>interaction power levels increased until they match the power of creatures

>>96274618
It's genuinely insane how bad the interaction is in Standard right now. It's like, two Sorcery speed cards and a bunch of conditional 5 mana instants, then some bad Mana Leak clones with one (1) playable hard counterspell.
It's fucking retarded. Why would you allow the most aggressive and robust cards of all time into Standard without printing reasonable removal to handle the problems you are introducing? This is literal first fucking grade one-step cognitive process game design shit.

If problem, include solution. Wa la.

>>96274634
It's okay we banned one of the best interaction tools available when we hit the mouse, right as THE best removal spell was rotating out, just to make things fair to aggro.

>>96274653
Even crazier that it's the biggest standard ever, and not in any of the available sets is there even a single good piece of instants peed interaction.

>>96274661
It's okay bro we printed Abrade but this time it's sorcery locked in exchange for exiling the artifact (definitely not Commander-motivated design prompted by a certain 4-mana artifact that has indestructible).
I don't know why constructed players are acting so entitled to having removal when we're already powercreeping such powerful cards like Abrade!

>>96274681
>It's okay bro we printed Abrade but this time it's sorcery locked in exchange for exiling the artifact
Oh, great. Can I exile the creature? Because EVERY FUCKING THREAT YOU PRINT IS AN INFINITELY RECURSIVE SELF-REPLACING GIGATERMINATOR?
No? Wow, thanks. So glad it's a Sorcery.

>>96274690
Don't forget it produces value literally the turn it comes down, often before you even get priority back.

>>96274618
This reasoning is odd because JotC regularly reprints some of the best removal in the game in the commander sets.And if a commander gets exiled, they just play it again but for two mana.
>reason regressing into being more expensive and locked to sorcery speed
Being more expensive happened a few years before any official JotC support for coomander. For instance replacing counterspell in the core sets with the more expensive cancel or a different weaker option after 7th edition. The only time it was in standard after 7th edition was in future sight. Mana leak in particular was removed in m2012 a year before the commander boxes were even made. Moreover, commander was only starting to become more popular then rather than being the sole motivating factor.

JotC was thinking mostly about standard with its expansions when it was downgrading available interaction before 2013 and commander, in spite of the mess it has caused in the last decade, is not to blame for the tendency to power creep creatures while often downgrading interaction. Commander, in conjunction with modern, only accelerated the power creep of creatures in mainline expansions.

>>96274713
Surely more bad, overcosted sorcery speed removal will solve this!

Where at the point where threats are so efficient that STP except you gain the life instead would barely make a dent.

>Increase creature and artifacts level until the game becomes a collection of aggro decks
>Avoid interaction because Cummander players feel bad and they refuse to make archetypes like Control stronger because Arena faggots rather play 5 mins
I completely shit on this design philosophy and I wish they fucking reprinted Sword to Plowshares or Dismember. The absolute state of formats like Standard or Pioneer is ridiculous, if they will not ban, at least offer solutions faggot designers

>>96273171
a minor character from a gag manga that's surprisingly obscure outside of japan (あっぱれ!浦安鉄筋家族) considering how long running it is. she's only showed up in like 3 chapters so far.

>>96274727
Except removal WAS trending up in 2012. Doom Blade was reprinted in Magic 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2014 because WotC still had enough brain cells back then to recognize that removal needed to match the threats creatures posed. Arguably 2011 swung too hard in the other direction with cards like Leyline of the Void, Surgical Extraction, and Mental Misstep being 0-mana answers.
However somewhere along the line WotC stopped trying to make removal match the power of creatures, and ironically went in the other direction with regressing it. More spot removal is locked to sorcery speed than ever, and is frequently comically overcosted in the name of having bumfuck alternate modes nobody cares about.

>>96274789
The thing about 2010-2012 in particular is that the ZEN/SOM block had so much powercrept aggro thanks to Zendikar so there was really no choice but to print good removal in response by the end of SOM.

I hate +1/+1 counter and token spam so much.

4 damage lightning bolt when

>>96275159
Unironically should be printed into standard (or pioneer horizons, that works too)
Downside can be "this spell deals 2 damage to you" or some shit

>>96274789
>Leyline of the Void
Rarely saw any serious play in 2011-2012.
>Mental Misstep
>Surgical Extraction
Far from overboard especially considering how strong aggro was in ZEN/SOM where you either played the most disgusting fastest aggro decks you could get your hands on or the closest thing you can get to a control deck that perfectly counters it. Aggro, especially RDW, was quite a problem then. At least the aggro had not been power crept to the point where you couldn't run a control deck and at least control had a lot of tools to deal with aggro had some proactive play.

And then surgical extraction becomes justified when you realize that Splinter Twin was in standard and could win on turn 4.
https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=1922&d=213867&f=ST
>Doom Blade
Was a side grade of Terror that traded the "can't be regenerated" clause for being able to destroy artifacts. It in itself was not necessarily power crept until regeneration was no longer being printed on creatures.

>>96275159
>>96275186
Bolt but with Flashback R.

just print landbolt

>>96274661
> the biggest standard eve
Need some real evidence for that. Not the FF sales figures.

>>96275296
As in, biggest number of legal sets in Standard.

>>96275159
Granted.
sorcery speed.

>>96275304
Right now it's only about 12 sets. It was 16 before rotation. BTW, 12 sets is about the size of the unpopular extended format which was eventually canceled because no one wanted to play it for being such a fuckfest.

>>96275327
yes we need a new standard.thats just the last 3 sets released or something like that

>>96275159
Here you go.

>>96275486
You mean: we actually need a standard which is 4-6 sets with one or two core sets instead of a nu-extended format LARPing as standard.

>>96275327
I hope future universe beyond sets are more parasitic. I can already safely ignore FIN.

>>96275519
Here's a better one

>>96274967
>>96275223
Yet we're in a setting where aggro is once again extremely dominant yet removal is getting worse instead of better. Removal has regressed from "Terror sidegrade" to "Murder with random bullshit upside" despite aggro being even more powerful now than back then. We're seeing boardwipes that are only playable after the game has ended multiple times over, in the mythic slot so you can't even say it's bad for the sake of draft.
I mean hell, look at the state of Pioneer, which has Fatal Push legal and it's doing bumfuck nothing against monoR aggro because literally every card threatens the game by itself in aggro now.

i play swamp tap it for dark ritual and use 3 black mana floating to cast phyrexian negator and pass the run

Green Bolt
G
Instant
As an additional cost to cast this spell, reveal 20 basic Forest cards from among your hand, library and board. (shuffle after).
Create a 4/1 wolf creature token with "when this enters, it deals damage equals to its power to any target and itself".

>>96275650
I play mountain and then use shock on your negator, then pass turn

>>96275693
gg I scoop

>>96275693
>>96275708
I've literally done that to someone in a Type 1 tournament 25 years ago, with the same result. Felt so good.

>>96275749
ok boomer

You guys ready for Return to Lorwyn to be War of the Spark 2 instead of actual Lorwyn?
After all, Lorwyn introuced planeswalkers to the game, so that's what Lorwyn is about!

>>96276168
I'm ready for you social media retards to cry about it like you do everything.
Not even close to coming out and your tears have already started.

>>96276168
Don't care.
I'm playing an actually fun and properly balanced format.

>>96275688
should be 56 forests to make sure they're truly green gaming

Any MTGO gamers?
The Pauper deck I want to play is only 8 tix.
But I assume I'd be losing money if I brought it to leagues.
What kind of deck do you need to break even (or build a pool of play points) when starting on MTGO?

as much as I dislike outside IPs being added, I really like the ff land arts

>>96275688
The Incarnation cycle really should've had something like
>Evoke—Exile a basic Forest card from your hand.
instead of just exiling a card of the same color. While it makes sense that you would exile an actual spell card, requiring you to exile a basic land would've made them useful for intercepting a threat early in the game while still demanding a big cost to do so instead of encouraging you to run more multicolored spells or spells in general. Maybe it would've made them unplayable, but it would've been better than what we got.

i simply don't understand eoe limited

Got one of these laying around from when I started Magic.
Too scared to use it due to its value, should I just sell it or hang onto it?
Some local stores are willing to give me like... 2/3 of what they're selling it for for it.

>>96273492
The best advice would be...
Don't get into magic.

It costs way too much money for being such a shitty game.

enjoy

inb4
>1 year late

>>96276779
Took the second one TY anon

>>96275159
what is galvanic blast

>>96276779
Thanks anon

>>96276245
>Any MTGO gamers?
yeah
>The Pauper deck I want to play is only 8 tix.
>But I assume I'd be losing money if I brought it to leagues.
that really depends on the deck and how good you are at it, people have 5-0d in the past with cheap decks, and even if you can't do that, 3-2s and 4-1s means you're going positive
>What kind of deck do you need to break even (or build a pool of play points) when starting on MTGO?
burn without pyroblasts is pretty cheap and easy to pick up, but again, you gotta learn how to play the deck optimally, there are no free wins in pauper

>>96275519
Ghostfire Slice has to be the most depressingly shit and obtuse art ever done for the game.

The original is a perfect depiction of invisible fire. And then this new shit one goes around and the art direction is just HURRRR DURRRRRR UHHH HOW DO WE SHOW IT'S INVISIBLE UHHHHHH HURRR DURRR GIVE IT A STENCIL DURRRRR

>>96276574
Eh. Been thinking about this shit too.
On one hand, now might be a good time to sell everything and get out, with all the new players flooding in from FF there's plenty of buyers with more money than sense. They are new and don't know what they've got into so you can be a real scumbag piece of shit(aka. the average MTG player). Once they learn that not all cards are legal with their FF cards, and that the formats where they are legal cost tens of thousands of dollars just to get into, some sense will kick in and less cards will be moving again, ultimately flatlining after FF is over.

But on the other hand, who knows, marvel could keep the momentum going, in which case the prices could actually start to climb... Or maybe marvel just flops and then the anti-hype will instantly return all of this garbage back to worthless pieces of cardboard that they are.
Who knows.

Where can an europoor get a cheap deck to play with the trannies at the lgs?no cardmarket,the shipping is too expensive

>>96276897
search reddit mtg [your country] and you will probably find a discussion about vendors

>>96276574
Stores give 2/3 of the actual worth because the intent is to make profit after buying it from you. That 1/3 loss is you paying for convenience of not having to deal with all the bullshit of marketplaces, getting stabbed by a cardboard crack addict and then finally shipping the card to the other side of the globe yourself.

>>96265709 (OP)
Brehs, I'm new to MTG. How viable is colorless/artifact deck for pauper? We only play casual pauper, but I still want to win every now and then.

>>96276927
Pauper is all about artifacts anon, but not colorless. If you want colorless the closest thing would be to play something like monster tron. You get the urza lands out and then start slamming shit like maelstrom colossus and wretched gryff

>>96276927
artifact & eldrazi deck?

>>96276927
>Artifact
Very good, tons of tier and non tier options
>Colorless
Very ungood, only chunker/monster Tron exists and it dies to counter spell by design.

>I feel like Leyline of Sanctity is a card that's gotten really wrecked by commander design.
>Years ago I played a lot of the Leyline. It was one of the best answers to like people trying to make you discard or whatever, right?
>But what made me realize it was when that discard decks started started showing up in Standard and Leyline is not even worth playing because everything's worded as each opponent now. Rather than target opponent.
>You see it against burn you see it against discard so many of the things that you used to play Leyline specifically to beat it just it just doesn't beat anymore.
Do you agree with this statement?

>>96277303
Don't care because silver bullets and leylines in general are unhealthy cards

>>96277360
They gave Black enchantment removal just for you.

>>96277366
>They gave Black enchantment removal
a mistake

>>96277360
>Leylines are unhealthy or they are in your opening card or you are fucked
Boo fucking hoo you know what is truly unhealthy? Cards like Nemesis, Manifold, Cutter or Annex. Those are truly unhealthy carfs

>>96275519
It is crazy to me that Stoke saw no Standard play this time around, that card is very good.

>Sword to plowshares
>Bolt
>Gitaxian probe
>Dismember
>Fatal Push
>Ghostslice Fire
This is the level of Interaction that should be printed across all formats to match the level of threat these faggot designers print every new set

>>96277303
Don't really understand your point, being hexproof works against the "look at hand and discard" cards, and doesn't work vs the "opponent discards randomly" cards, if that is good for you then it's a good effect
I personally prefer crystal barricade

>>96277607
The point is there are printing "each opponent" in Standard which is not a multiplayer format.

would you like it if good land destruction came back?

>>96277793
yes, I like break the ice a lot, I would love sinkhole

>>96277793
I think what they should do is design the game around creating more incentives to play monocolor, or at least more incentive to actually play basic lands rather than stuffing almost every deck with 100% nonbasics, and then boost the power of nonbasic land destruction. That way you promote more variety in deckbuilding and you can punish people for building greedy manabases. But they'll never do that because this company is totally financially dependent on selling sets with dual lands.

>>96275585
Fatal Push is what pushed them to make stronger creatures since most creatures became unplayable.

>>96277911
Don't worry we just fixed Revolt.

>>96277485
Red needed its high damage cards to deal 5 damage to deal with Sheoldred.

>>96274522
Blexbrothers, our time has come.

>>96277793
I think they should stop pampering the lowest common denominator aka Aggrotards and Tempo enjoyers and stop pushing new and interesting alternate win cons, Weapon Manufacturing is a good start but this people need to allow alternate wincons like Mill, Prison, Land destruction or Burn to be playable again and I don’t care about zoomer feelings, the game is in shambles because of that.

>>96270896
The only use that Station has is for interactions that go against the intent of the mechanic. Nobody is using Station 'honestly' (ie: tapping their creatures over time to turn the artifacts into space ship creatures). They are just using them as hasty tap effects on cards like Kona or Magda.

When your mechanic is only ever used outside of intended play patterns it is a shitty mechanic.

>>96274727
This is just a shitty version of the art that some anon on /tg/ made years ago.

>>96278307
>when people can use your mechanic in innovative ways, it's a shit mechanic
You guys make the funniest posts.

I encountered another Magic player in the wild it was an experience
>Be at an IRL meetup, entirely unrelated to magic or games
>Find someone who has a playmat splayed out, they are fussing with their cards. I chat them up a bit. Next time I attend the meetup I bring some cards to play.
>For context, dude only ever wears T-shirt and pajima pants. Looks disheveled. Behaves like they are always drunk, drugs, or are mentally challenged, or possibly both.
>Dude insists he only plays Modern format. He has one deck, which is mono-green elves, circa pre-covid
>I play him versus my old 'rotated out of Standard years ago' deck I had laying around
>He insists "I don't do sideboarding", he just has 60 cards, that's it.
>He flips his shit when I sees I have some proxy cards
>He refers to Commander format as "Commando". Says "I don't play commando"
>Dude carried around a "toy" made of K'Nex pieces, says he gave his toy a name, and then unsolicited gave me this huge backstory for his OC about his K'Nex toy.
That's what I get for going to a furry meetup: hanging out with literal crazy people.

>>96278333
>Illiterate retard defends JotC, more at 11.
When people ONLY use your mechanic in 'innovative' ways it is a shit mechanic. A mechanic should be played mostly as intended. If people ONLY ever played Morph cards with flicker effects to immediately get the big creature, then Morph would be a shitty mechanic. People playing Morph cards 'fairly' because they were well designed/costed, and then one or two rogue decks trying to cheat out an Akroma or whatever is fine and actually indicates a good mechanic.
Show me some constructed decks that are stationing spaceships to use the creature as a primary wincondition.

>>96278330
soul

>>96278357
You can easily filter bad eggs out by their fursona.
t. Lizard

Thinking Station is “innovative” or “good design” is being beyond delusional, is being a literal retard

>>96278330
AI stole some shitty 4chan art? LMAO

I don't know why they thought the fake old cards thing was acceptable. The new "retro-frame" looks terrible compared to the original printing.

>>96278461
It still looks better than the default frame

>>96278461
I'll take this over the new shitty frames though. I mean, it's not as good as the original ones, sure, but they're better than what we currently have everywhere else.

>>96278357
>He refers to Commander format as "Commando". Says "I don't play commando"
he ain't so bad

>>96278461
sad that ONS chinmans are too shit for rel

>>96277911
Is this what WotC tells you? Because it wasn't in Standard when they printed Vivi and Cori-Steel Cutter.

>>96277911
>Nooooooo my 2 drop is REMOVED
>Now i feel bad and i’m gonna cry!! Help daddy WotC, help!!!
Pathetic bad player mentality

CEMENTED

>>96278333
>when people can use your mechanic in innovative ways (while also totally disregarding its original intent), it's a shit mechanic

Context matters.

>>96278902
wait a minute, this isn't /hsg/

>>96276891
if people get in because of ff they're going to be playing standard on arena or commander in paper lol. format confusion is much less likely today than it was in the past because for most people it's just 1 format in paper.

>>96276168
This seems like a terrible idea, due to planeswalker designs already being extremely dialed in. What design space is there left to explore besides putting even more oppressive static abilities on something that's already really hard to remove?

>>96277911
creatures didn't become unplayable you dumb moron. its impact on creatures like tarmogoyf are so wildly overstated i fucking hat eyou niggers so much

>>96279113
You don't necessarily need to do something brand new. There are a lot of 1-off PW concepts that could have been expanded on or tried again. Things like Sarkhan The Mad or that M21 Teferi.

For 'new' concepts, off the top of my head I would look into:
>A Planeswalker that gets 'stronger' with lower loyalty.
>A 'lich' Planeswalker that becomes bonded with another permanent and either takes damage for it or dies when that permanent dies
>On that note, PWs that lose loyalty through ways other than damage ('whenever your opponent sacrifices a permanent, ~ loses 3 loyalty)
>A +X ability.
>A Planeswalker that works like Sleeper Agent where you donate it to an opponent and they have to try and remove its loyalty as quickly as possible.

>>96279113
>>96279170
You WILL have multiple formats rotated AGAIN by a 3-drop walker and you will like it.

it's been so long wotc probably forgot the lessons they learned from oko

>>96279187
They already skipped over forgetting "no removal on +loyalty" and went to "emblem on +loyalty" with Kaito.

>>96279187
nah, they remember alright
there will never be another good simic planeswalker in a standard set

>>96279217
True simic fans know to wait through three decades of being dogshit so they can be oppressive for three years.

>>96279187
Planeswalkers nowadays are very shitty. Tezzeret? Didn’t saw play in any real format, Oko? Absolute trash, Quintorius? A meme in meme colours.

The overefficiency of printed creatures and the complains over other old PW combined with the fact half the sets a year don’t even get PW and the other half only get one killed PW

https://www-izzetmtgnews-com.translate.goog/archives/137077?_x_tr_sl=ja&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp
it's remarkable how the japanese mtg community is so similar to /mtg/

>>96277557
unban her

>>96276897
from china, i'm about to order $200 worth of high quality proxies which translates to 200 cards (over 2500 euro on cardmarket lol)

>>96279594
kill yourself, parasite

>>96279613
stay seething whale, my REL playable playset of volcanic islands cost me $4 total

>>96278357
thx chef

>>96279170
>>A Planeswalker that works like Sleeper Agent where you donate it to an opponent and they have to try and remove its loyalty as quickly as possible
this sounds like absolute fucking cancer. by giving the walker to your opponent you're already denying them the main way of removing loyalty.

>>96278617
People have been complaining about powerful creatures for over 5 years. It will always get worse.

>>96274454
>we have only UR and UB as the main decks
So you agree that JOTC is run by a Grixis cabal of Spike tards with a clear bias

>>96279170
>>A Planeswalker that gets 'stronger' with lower loyalty.
good idea
>>A 'lich' Planeswalker that becomes bonded with another permanent and either takes damage for it or dies when that permanent dies
bad idea
>>On that note, PWs that lose loyalty through ways other than damage ('whenever your opponent sacrifices a permanent, ~ loses 3 loyalty)
bad idea
>>A +X ability.
bad idea
>>A Planeswalker that works like Sleeper Agent where you donate it to an opponent and they have to try and remove its loyalty as quickly as possible.
bad idea

>>96279908
Nah JOTC is just a bunch of incompetent faggots with the worse possibly ideas and the laziest greedy objectives. UB is a mistake, the actual state of formats an insufferable sin and the whole Cummander pampering a suicide. They will just see it with time

>>96279864
>No guys it's okay this 1-drop is overloaded to shit because it has to keep up with Fatal Push!
>(Fatal Push was not in Standard when it was printed and it immediately took over the format)

>Jeghanta
>Fable
>Rage
>Slickshot
>Mice package
>Nemesis
>Cutter
>Vivi
Explain to me why they have to push Red, the colour of retards and shitty Magic players, this hard. Meanwhile Green is dead.

>>96279997
>Meanwhile Green is dead.
They can't print too strong of Green cards without it breaking commander meta. Green's already the strongest color in EDH.

>>96279997
It's simple
>Red is weak in commander because you need to aggro through 120 life
>Green is strong in commander because people will durdle for 8 turns and let the green deck build a board completely uncontested because removal is rude and unfun :(

>>96278257
but the data shows new players with fried attention spans LUV faster games so aggro MUST thrive

>>96279997
Because these things happen in cycles, and you're either too new to remember, or have the memory of a goldfish. Five years from now you'll probably be crying about how black is super pushed and red has never been playable.

>>96279217
this nigga would've been perfectly balanced at 3 mana, what a damn shame

>>96270896
What's supposed to be the flavor of stations?
>cast vehicle
>random creature "crews" the vehicle and presumably drives it
Sure.
>cast station
>random creature ??????s the station
>the same creature can power(?) the station multiple times if it untaps
>the station is operational when there is no creatures if it already has enough counters
>giant unga Timmy dragon operates the station faster than random humans
Huh?

>>96280531
I imagine that they're building the station. The initial card is the structure or scaffolding or whatever. Then creatures contribute manpower or support to the building efforts to complete it into a fully functional ship/base. Don't ask how giant wurm can build a ship, it's the same way a giant wurm can drive a car.

Stargate Station.

thanks gavin, super cool

>>96280674
im all bricked up

>want to build a deck in mtg
>one obscure card that's like $1 in paper is $60 on mtgo
god what a dogshit fucking client

>>96279997
Based on what I've seen as a casual observer, I'm almost certain it's newer players or Arena players that told WotC they want strong cards for RDW because they either thought it would make standard cheaper, it would make standard faster/less thought-intensive, and among certain individuals, they thought it would make red better for commander. You literally say it yourself:
>the colour of retards and shitty Magic players
Those are probably the people that play competitive Magic the most because it requires little to no thought for them.
>Meanwhile Green is dead.
I think WotC has become very aware of how bad green has become. EoE has made very clear their intentions to make green strong in standard. Hemosymbic Mite, mainly in gruul decks, has a lot of opportunities for consistent turn 3-4 kills. I'm almost certain we're gonna be seeing a lot more green in the next year, if not the next few months.

>>96280841
HAHAHAHA
NICE META FAGGOTS

>>96270896
>thoughts on station mechanic?
I wish they'd completely stop making vehicle mechanics.
>vehicle
>saddle
>station
Just stop. It's a flawed mechanic conceptually. It doesn't work. Stop stop stop stop.

>>96280841
doesn't look like it's flourishing

>>96280864
what card are you talking about?

>>96279997
>green is dead
Is it really? I mean barring the big elephant in the room that is Vivi Cauldron, Tifa landfall is the most represented aggro deck in the format

>>96280978
>>96280978
>Tifa landfall is the most represented aggro deck in the format
Anon you literally posted an image showing two other aggro decks above Tifa landfall.

>>96281018
Those are esper and dimir midrange. Mtgtop8 is being retarded with the names like how it sometimes names Gruul Delirium, Gruul Aggro even if the definition is clear cut

>>96279648
>REL playable
idk, thinking of skipping a REL event today because my chinamans deck might get called out. the cards are definitely not perfect if you know what you're looking for.

>>96265709 (OP)
THIS CARD IS DISGUSTING AND I FEEL DIRTY FOR PLAYING BUT GOD LORD HOW IT FUCKING PERFORMS.
FUCK FIRE DESIGN

How to fix Standard:
Ban Vivi
Ban Nemesis
Ban Kaito
Ban Stock up
Ban Manifold
There Standars fixed, then we can work on fucking Pioneer and Modern that need at least 7 bans each.

>>96281131
I refuse to keep this card legal. is a mistake

>>96280864
>want to build a deck in mtg arena
>one card that's like $100 in paper is exactly the same cost as a $1 card of the same rarity
boomers lost

how much draw should be in my deck for it to be functional as a rule of thumb

>>96281131
Fuck no. Any deck running 3+ mana cards that don't cheat mana and win the game the same turn like Vivi can't ever be oppressive. Stock up, are you shitting me? Least offensive card ever. Let people draw their cards. If a game is going to turn 6+ its a victory for game balance

Right now a sizeable chunk of games go
>mountain, hired claw
>opponent concedes before playing a land
Aggro is 90% of the format. Coinflip advantage has become the most lopsided in the entire history of this game, same as aggro. 75-80% winrate on the play? Why even bother

Make life totals start at 27 in standard. You'd need to ban 20-30 cards otherwise
nothing easy can save a format that is 90% aggro, 80:20 play:draw winrate. What, are you going to ban every 1-2 drop and burn spells in red? Dimir tempo? Aristocrats? Green instawin? Lizards. Fucking merfolks

>>96281131
Need more than six bans to fix standard. More like at least a few dozen.

>>96281151
All the talents should be banned, especially the weak ones that don't see play.

>>96280978
I sure hope so. Landfall is a retarded mechanic. Always was and always will be. It should be permabanned from play.

>>96281198
10 pieces on average, some cantrips some mass draw spells. Final number depending HEAVILY on your strategy/colors/commander/etc.

>>96281097
lol you must be some kind of pioneer player

>>96281231
>Commander
Whoops wrong thread.

>>96281206
stop playing bo1 standard on arena

>>96280841
I thought this was a joke image, it's actually real

>>96280841
Wasn't Izzet prowess 80-ish% though?

>>96281221
RG landfall aggro during Zendikar 3 with brushfire elemental was fun as fuck

>>96280841
How can they proudly display this shit? Are they retarded?

>>96281270
>Are they retarded?
that and they really don't care about competitive magic
it's all about commander at the end of the day

>EOE quickdraft is more balanced because the AI bots don't pass all the insane green like humans in premier draft

Humansisters.,.....

>>96281341
I've been forced into Green last 10 drafts in a row because if someone passes me a Galactic Wayfarer I can't help it.
Maybe I'll try to quick draft to get to play with the other colours.
Will mostly sit this format out though. Final Fantasy has given me a roadmap for which tournaments to enter. God bless UB.

>>96281341
I've been forced into Green last 10 drafts in a row because if someone passes me a Galactic Wayfarer I can't help it.
Maybe I'll try quick draft to get to play with the other colours.
Will mostly sit this format out though. It's not very good and Final Fantasy has given me a roadmap for which tournaments to enter. God bless UB.

>>96281264
Nah. Zendikar Rising was FIRE trash. Same with the Brushfire elemental. Unfun trash.

>>96281341
The only people playing EoE draft on Arena are bots.

>>96269662
How do people get mana screwed in the set that gives out rampant growths?

>>96281131
>Unholy Annex still legal
never punished

>>96280841
>Gavin “Powerful White Cards” Verhey allowed for 8 years of Grixis bullshit to delete White from Standard and had the gall to make a PR video about helping White
>Meanwhile years of bans and evidence that JOTC favors Grixis colors and often Green have ruined Standard ever since 2017
And don’t @me with that Awakening ban bullshit when they basically admitted they want 5 years of Omni decks and won’t take long to print another cheat out option

>>96281570
What deck is Annex currently being ran in that has more than 1% of the meta?

>>96281434
It was the only viable deck that could fight fucking rouges/mill tribal

>>96281637
>won’t take long to print another cheat out option
If you read these thread, you'll see that they already did it. In fact, for quite a few months it was possible to cheat it out with ways other than Abuelo. Abuelo was just the netdeck option that all the MTGO netdeckers who still couldn't get into the top16 in spite of netdecking all their decks from whom ever got in the top8 with a particular deck.
>>96281648
Sounds like a FIRE trash format problem.

>>96281637
>won’t take long to print another cheat out option
If you read these threads in that last couple weeks, you'll see that they already did it. In fact, for quite a few months it was possible to cheat it out with ways other than Abuelo. Abuelo was just the netdeck option that all the MTGO netdeckers who still couldn't get into the top16 in spite of netdecking all their decks from whom ever got in the top8 with a particular deck went with.
>>96281648
Sounds like a FIRE trash format problem.

All creatures with haste need a ban from all format. They should've learned 25 years ago that letting players ignore summoning sickness was a shitty idea.

I can't think of any card in standard that justifies the incorporation of Swords to Plowshares into standard than this creature

>>96281789
This, but reprint Concordant Crossroads

Is this the best card art released in recent years?

>>96281805
It should only get a reprint if it costs 5 or more mana

>>96281808
>cosmic white woman getting Blacked
Sounds about par for JOTC considering they have a cuck fetish

>>96281871
You're the one getting blacked not her considering its a boardwipe

>white faggot
>UHHHHH ACKTUALLY JOTC HATES WHITE
>meanwhile pic related

>white faggot
>UHHHHH ACKTUALLY JOTC HATES WHITE
>meanwhile pic related

>>96282052
oh no, 2 2/1s for 4 what will i do

>>96282103
If vivi and some of the dimir stuff is banned, mistmoors will be one of the creatures ruining standard as UW control will become much more viable.

>>96265740
Yeah but you keep refusing to be decent human beings

>>96282005
>>96282052
>posts cards that don’t even make 0.5% of the meta let alone define it
Kek cope harder JOTC kike

>>96282119
If Vivi and enough Dimir stuff get banned, then Kona and Yuna are gonna take over the format. Granted, Mistmoor is usually used in at least some of those decks, but UW control won't be able to stop them unless they draw into multiple answers per turn or just constantly leave up mana to counter every cheat spell or impending cast in those decks.

>only playable ramp card in standard for years (outside of Uro which is just a replayable version)
>it rotates out
>green and simic die with it

>>96282321
Simic landfall is a real deck!! Just noone is playing it in the Arena Championship because it's too underground right now

>>96282321
>Two cards that had to be banned from standard, Uro also being banned from pioneer, modern and historic
There are five 1-mana mana dorks in standard right now, you should build something with those or maybe something with Wandering Minstrel and/or Spelunking.

>>96282340
Also this. Simic aggro has been performing pretty well because of Genemorph Imago, hopefully it'll become more popular.

>>96282321
wdym, in that same set we had another banned ramp card

>>96282388
>WotC see this and then proceed to print Fires of Invention

could Ill-Gotten Gains be a top tier Premodern deck?
It has some powerful cards.

>>96282321
Damn I miss Seb McKinnon cards...

i haven't come here much in the past two years. are there any modern players around?
here's my modern lantern build rn. i need to switch up about 3 of the cards in the main

>>96281131
You fix standard by hiring a bunch of competent designers and playtesters who will actually work on the format instead of these current retards they have. Like you can ban cards every month and it won't make a difference as long as these absolute fuckwits keep just shoveling more shit into the oven and printing stuff they don't test properly.
I think it's obvious that wotc doesn't have any control over the format and it's just a complete hotpodge of a mess that they try to reign in reactively with no plan or long term decision decision making

>>96282545
don't you want the full 4 Ensnaring Bridge 4 Blood Moon for maximum cheese?
I assume the list is based on the one guy who brings Lantern to Challenges. From there I guess all you can do is tune it to your local meta.

>>96276927
Colorless is OP
https://moxfield.com/decks/BKTFoeNHsEmnzMWtpltcaQ

>>96282850
i've played lantern a bit for a few years. normally i play a rainbow build. for this one, i just did what most of the people in the lantern discord are generally doing.
lantern being a bridge deck has always wanted to keep the curve low so i'm loathe to add many 3 drops. and i figure moon + saga gives me a combat wincon or at least board control, therefore bridge isn't as necessary as normal.

Pauper 8rack, but the racks are black mages

>>96282927
Probably can’t beat a single campfire but I think 8rack would be good for pauper

>>96281063
double sleeve (not smoke inners, some people associate all smoke inners with proxies) and use matte/frosted front sleeves
if you get caught just play it cool and say you got the card on ebay, i don't understand how people struggle with this

Maybe something like
4 Duress
4 Mire’s Toll
4 Hopeless Nightmare
2 Raven’s Crime
4 Funeral Charm
4 Defile
4 Tithing Blade
4 Black Mage’s Rod
4 Cornered By Black Mages
4 Mind Drain
2 Gurmag Angler
20 Swamps

>>96281131
> work on fucking Pioneer and Modern that need at least 7 bans each.
7? Anon... I...

Here is my very casual, very budget friendly mono black zombie deck that I recently put together with cards I sourced from my FLGS.
All the cards are under 50c, and are pretty easy to source as they aren't super desirable cards.
The basic strategy (I use the term "strategy" very loosely) for the deck is to overwhelm the board with hard to kill zombies, and then pump them with Liliana's mastery. There is a nice little combo with Archghoul of Thraben, Witch's cauldron, and Ghoulish procession. You can sac your own undying zombies to draw a card, gain a life, scry/draw 1, create a decayed zombie, and possibly bring back your original creature with a +1/+1 or another token zombie. Trisk was put in for shits and giggles. It works as an alternative win con, and there are a few cards that help augment your, and your opponents life total.
I realise that the deck is missing a zombie lord, and a few other staples, but the aim was to keep the cost low. I intentionally tried to avoid cards that relied on graveyard recursion because cards like tormod's crypt exist.
Any thoughts, opinions, and feedback welcome.

Deck list below:

>4x Archghoul of Thraben
>4x Butcher Ghoul
>2x Consuming Corruption
>4x Diregraf Ghoul
>2x Exsanguinate
>2x Ghoulish Procession
>2x Gravedig
>2x Grim Servant
>4x Hobbling Zombie
>2x Infernal Grasp
>2x Liliana's Mastery
>2x Suffer the Past
>24x Swamp
>2x Triskaidekaphobia
>2x Witch's Cauldron

>>96283018
Nvm this shit is legal. going to go with creatures

Should I buy a playset of starting town now or is it possible that it will get cheaper when the next batch of displays get printed?

>>96283031
>Modern needs at least 7 bans
lol retard

If I show you the art of an artifact creature card from any set, there's a good chance you'll guess it's an artifact creature, maybe it's colourless, maybe it's coloured but you'll see a robotish thing and you'll get it right a lot of the time How would you solve this for enchantment creatures? Sagas work for sure but that's because the card frame changes so much I'm talking about the other ones. In THB they do these constellation/galaxy effects but I think they're too subtle and don't really work too well to make them distinguishable. In NEO there are these flying spirit things around the cards but it doesn't really direct me to think enchantment, it could be a magical effect the card does or something. Duskmourn has nightmares and glimmers, the nightmares could just be random creatures in Innistrad, the glimmers are spirits but how do you distinguish from non enchantment spirits in another set? They glow but that sounds set specific for being glimmers, not for being enchantment creatures. Anyways, any ideas on how to make enchantment creatures have a more cohesive distinguishable art among different sets?

>It's another green is the best colour in draft episode
I love it when the best colour gets all the benefits of having the strongest cards whilst also getting to run all the best stuff of all the other colours too!

>>96283232
good old overstatted creature with value ETB at common forcing you into green every draft

>>96283232
I know that's the case, but this is where I'm at after 6 drafts.

Green decks -> 45 % winrate
Non green decks -> 87.5% winrate

It seems I have a very special and powerful case of mental retardation, like a clock that goes from 59 to 00.

Ok negroids, im about to buy a mat with a design on it, do u have any good recomendations?

If not, ill go with some random design like pic related.

>>96283196
>Memedern faggot doesn’t know
Lmao, classic

This is my favorite swamp. What is yours?

>>96280841
Imagine traveling back in time and telling people that this was the state of the meta shortly after rotation and a mass emergency ban. They'd be like "wow, the game seems to be in an extremely bad place in your time, they must be close to bankruptcy" and you'd have to tell them that no, it actually just beat all sales records and it's likely to keep selling even more.

>>96281270
I'm not sure they're doing it proudly, they're doing it openly.

>>96283949
This is the worst timeline possible, we can only hope for this fucking game to burn, hopefully with the first K-pop set

Thinking about selling off my standard decks due to marvel slop for the foreseeable future but not sure if its an overreaction. Thoughts?

>>96283949
>>96284040
The issue, as has always been the case with Magic players, is that the people playing this game will bitch up a storm all day every day and neg every single thing WotC does, however they will never put their money where their mouth is and stop buying cards. You only see negative things online about secret lairs and universes beyond and shit, and yet they are still some of the top selling products because buying boxes and sitting on them for 10-20 years is still easy money and it will continue to be so until people stop doing this.

>>96282321
you don't think this is a decent ramp spell?

>>96284092
This sums up my LGS whatsapp pretty well.
>new UB/SL gets announced
>about half a dozen people start joking about how Magic these days is all "I equip my Captain America with Buster Sword xDDD", they never stop playing though
>store employee shows up: "hey guys, we're not accepting orders for the Sonic the Hedgehog secret lair"
>tens of people start rushing in telling him to reserve one for them
Final Fantasy was crazy too, not only did all the sealed product sell out more than a month in advance (like everywhere else) but we had 3-4 draft tables every week (which is remarkable given the size of the city) that were fully booked at least one week in advance. They also organized 2-3 FF themed commander events and they both hit the player limit, a limit which until now I thought was only a formality because it was never actually hit. I've literally never seen so much demand for MTG product and events as I did with FF.

>>96284153
>3 mana
>doesn't cycle itself

>>96282321
Hello?

>>96284090
Is the adequate reaction considering Marvel slop will be a continuous in the upcoming years and if you have some self respect

>>96284092
I dislike when people say things like
> These are short term gains for long term losses, you'll see when MTG loses its identity
What if making Tifa a card was a good idea and the same will be of Carnage or whatever? I'm not particularly invested in Kaya's adventures, little Jim isn't either but he cares about Ironman, so just print fucking Ironman.

>>96284169
what about Cram Session tutoring for Environmental Sciences?

Are there any other cards like loaming shaman who let you pick an exact number of cards to put back? Usually they hard limit you to 3 or 4, or make you shuffle everything back in.

HOLY SHIT PARENTE IS BACK

>>96284226
There's Worldsoul's rage but you know.

>>96284240
That one just pulls back lands. I want to be able to shuffle all my non creatures back in my deck after self milling 40 cards.
Loaming shaman in perfect for it, but wondering if there are more.

>>96284265
I think I confused your card with Life from the Loam because Loaming? Anyways I don't know, lol.

for $200 i bought almost the entirety of a tier 1 legacy deck plus a a modern deck and a pauper in proxies
$200 on mtgo buys me 4 copies of hydroblast and blue elemental blast, defend this

>mono red dragons
very cool https://www.mtgo.com/decklist/standard-challenge-32-2025-08-0912807471

>>96284362
>Mono Red
>Cool
Yeah… No.

>>96284342
>defend this
my defense is that I own all of these decks on mtgo
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7279740#paper
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7277932#paper
>https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7256887#paper
and I spent less than 500 tix total getting all of them when prices were lower

>>96284342
I play on Arena, never wasted a dimme and I have all the top tier Standard and 5 Pioneer top tier decks. Boomers lost

I don't get why WotC even supports the pro circuit or whatever it's called anymore. They don't market it nor do they care to balance the formats. They just pay people to come there to ruleshark each other and try to get away with cheating.
There's also these arena tournaments that give shitloads of money to people that no one is interested to watch. Unironically they would get more viewers if they just payed a bunch of streamers to play shit decks against each other to promote their sets in a fake tournament

You find entertaining a pro championship were 50+% of the decks displayed are one and the rest are just an amalgam of decks trying to beat deck with 50+%? You think that could be called “fun”?

Did wizards noticed there was negative hype for spiderman or it was such a small set there is no more spoilers anymore???

>>96284730
It was drip feed coinciding with the event. Real spoiler season is month away.

You have to be born a blue player

You can't become one

>>96284832
That's funny because everyone I've ever know started playing a different color and hating blue, then eventually playing blue.

>>96284832
>hey what if we gave one color all the draw spells plus the ability to stop every past, current and future strategy ever with counterspells?
boomers thought this was a good idea

>>96284569
I don't think they're giving it a lot of support, it's on life support they don't want the dream to disappear completely but the days of Play the Game, See the World are gone. I'm not sure what happened exactly but I think they realized most pros weren't great as ambassadors of the game and often were huge divas so I don't know, hope they enjoy their pronouns.

>>96284869
It was mostly balanced before 20 years of power creep also gave them good creatures with good evasion that protect themselves, good board clears, good enchantments, good lands, pretty much good everything so blue can play every decktype competently even without splashing other colors.

The fuck are you talking about, blue was way more oppressive back in the day.

>>96284832
>>96284860
I wanted to be a happy pig but eventually my intelligence and cunning turned me into sad Socrates. It turns out blue was always what I was.

>>96284832
true that

>>96284860
Those aren't true blue players

>>96284883
I just find it really weird how the arena tournament going on right now has a comparably large price pool and no one cares about it (not even wotc). Like what is the reason for even putting that money up there when they company itself doesn't have any faith in the event?

>>96266300
How does it draw 2 cards on ETB? Combining it with artists talent or something else?

>>96285235

>>96285235

>>96285235