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>Thread Question:Have you tried Flyers in 3e yet?
>>96275194 (OP)One Xiphon, but opponent didnt have any flyers so it tickled a contemptor and never came back.
BLACKSHIELD CHADS RISE UP
Repeating for the new thread:
>>962751681. Banestrike shotguns are reliable enough against the main target Effrit should go after: MEQ infantry or weaker. They're a bully unit.
2. Nobody was using the saboteur in 2.0 either except me The new false colours rule actually made him better at being a distraction carrnifex, and now does prevent overwatch (and volley)
>Power daggers never were a main weapon, always a cheap way to get +1 attack from 2 CCW. It got even better as cheap sergeant equipment, +2 initiative means they'll attack before most characters. And it combo's surprisingly well with the AL gambit:>Set enemy initiative to 1>Pick finishing blow>Guaranteed to go first>Attack with a breaching 5+ damage 2 butter knife and steal their kidneys
Finalized a list that will fit in at my store. Most people at my store don't own much in the way of vehicles, so I didn't want to go hard on vehicles.
However, I'm always open to some advice and suggestions.
>>96275232Such a stupid requirement that you make the roll EVERY time
I have two and I can see them just fucking off after making a single run
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My list:
3 Centurions: 270
3 Tactical squads: 300
3 Rhinos: 180
Logistical Benefit: Missile Heavy Support Squad: 250 points
9 Missile Heavy Support Squads: 2250 Points
Is this a good list????
>>96275279It really is. MoS should affect it, or you choose aerial or normal each time for the +1, INT check to add another +1 to +2 max.
>>96275292That would probably be funny to play against, at least.
>>96275292Wait, that list is illegal. Here is my real list:
3 Centurions: 270
4 Tactical squads: 400
3 Rhinos: 180
Logistical Benefit: Missile Heavy Support Squad: 250 points
7 Missile Heavy Support Squads: 1750 Points
Typhon: 400 Points
>>96275292enemy Alpha Legion spams prime slot Land Raider Explorers with Malefic (immune to strength 8 weapons entirely)
100 missile launchers and unable to deal even 1 single point of damage to any tank.
>>96275301its super dumb in these half baked 4 turn missions. let people spend points to make it more reliable, common james
>>96275321Why do you have 3 rhinos
>>96275284Why does GW bother producing any animation that looks like fucking slop? The only good warhammer animations are Astartes and that thing on amazon
Techmarine and apothecary detachments let you take a single prime of each. What's the silliest thing you could do with a prime techmarine or apothecary?
>>96275301would be justifiable too.
In real life, the quality of inter-service cooperation differed drastically depending on the quality of the radio teams.
If the spotters on the ground can't figure out north-south-east-west for a fuck and are shitty at telling landmarks or giving good directions where the insurgent attacker forces are hitting them from and what the danger zones are and where friendly forces should be avoided, then an A10 warthog might decide it's too dangeorus to loiter and shoot at ground targets he doesn't know are friendly or enemy, and just head off back to base so he doesnt get his own airplane murdered circling.
With a really skillful, helpful trained crew on the ground giving ideal directions and popping colored flares to indicate friendly and enemy zones readily, the air support may feel like it's worth making a 4th or 5th run on enemy positions to buy the guys on the ground some relief.
>>96275338Points limit. The fourth squad forgot theirs, they left it on the strike cruiser by mistake.
>>96275368cool- now post the lore
>>96275344Well they're only specialists, so not much. Use logistical benefit to cram in more elites or retinues or something, maybe.
>>96275368I feel absolutely nothing from this picture.
Imagine all that work to be too much of a coward to have picked a legion.
>>96275397>durrr I shill for legions hurrrrrr Your Dudes sucks durrrrGo back to writing for Warcom, faggot.
>>96275387Do all the legions' prime traits apply to troop slots only? Master sergeant apothecaries would be funny.
>>96275252Thanks for reposting, anon
>Effrit should go after: MEQ infantry or weakerI would be laughing if it wasn't so sad :( I reckon Effrit's job is to be nearby and sabotage people, meaning they could use a short range gun. Like a shotgun (which Stuns). But the measure of a gun being good is a combination of good AP (which it doesn't have), high firepower (same as a bolter's) and high Damage (only on a 6)
Banestrike combis tack Breaching 6 on a 4-shot gun, so they get by. Shotguns lose half those shots for extra damage on a 6.
Doing all of that...to stun tacticals? At that poing just Panic (2) with actual Seekers idk
>>Power daggers never were a main weapon, always a cheap way to get +1 attack from 2 CCWI mean, not anymore. It's what I'm sad about
>>Set enemy initiative to 1>>Pick finishing blowAnon, setting the enemy at i1 *is* the gimmick; can't pick Finishing on top of that. Meaning daggers need two hands: one for the actual melee weapon and another for the knife
Meaning it's artificer-only, as no terminator would ever be armed with just a knife.
This also uses up an arm that could be holding a shield for +1i for your Hammer instead
>>Guaranteed to go first>>Attack with a breaching 5+ damage 2 butter knife and steal their kidneysThis does like a single wound on the target
In fact I'm having second thoughts about the AL gimmick. So, the other guy goes last. You mean your character attacks normally, and the other guy picks Finisher instead?
By the time of 2nd round's Focus roll, you'll be more wounded than the other guy, meaning you still pick gimmick first, but you'll might attack last unless you Seize. And you can no longer afford to tank a normal attack to charge up your Finisher - you're already wounded from the first round! D:
>>96275344I really thought the new Primus Medicae was just going to be a regular Apothecary who studied the blade. They'd be WS5 2W A3 after all
>>96275407It varies between affecting command, champions, elites, or regular troops and such.
>>96275407Apothecary doesn't have the sergeant trait, it can't have master sergeant.
>>96273932>This is the first time I've ever needed to use fucking PowerPoint to build a list for a wargame.Building a list right now feels like juggling, seriously. Wrote this one before the Damage Control pdf arrived.
If anyone knows a better way to write a list, do mention it
>>96275434>Apothecaries are neither sarges nor commandRIP. Shouldn't have gone to medical school if you wanted to duel with scalpels lmao
>>96275324Im adding it to my houserule buffet list
>>96275434Yes that's why I said would be funny.
>>96275441>If anyone knows a better way to write a list, do mention itPlay a previous edition.
>>96275410Effrit aren't purely a shooting unit. They soften up and debuff a target with their shotguns, then charge in and finish off the survivors with their power daggers.
They can also equip the entire unit with meltabombs for a mere 25 points.
>>96275441Here's the secret
Step 1) take whatever the fuck you want
Step 2) insert some centurions
It's that easy. I've written a 5000 point list with 10 units of veterans and all it took was some centurions (granted, that was an ultramarines meme list with a praetor, 3 centurions, and 6 optae, but that was purely for the 10 man character squad and I could've done the same with a praetor, delegatus, and 1 other prime slot Detachment)
>>96275441I just tried newrecruit for it today, that was the first and last attempt I'll ever make at an HH3 list. It's not fun to build at all.
>>96275344I don't think there's anything notable you can do with them.
>>96275504>can't even give blood angels apothecaries perdition weapons for angry medics
>>96275474Tried Newrecruit like last week, tried adding a DG detachment and it had 3 slots instead of 4. Guess it wasn't ready yet.
>>96275457Oof
>>96275470Eh I'm trying to lessen the HQ footprint of the force by as much as possible. I suppose I could take as much advantage of Logistical as I can.
One AL Centurion can unlock two Leviathal detachments, plus three logisticals and one Rewards. That could be a thing
>>96275527Yeah it's in beta and it's purely volunteers right now, so there's errors that only get ironed out if people actually report them on the github.
FUCK, FUCK, FUCK!!!! SOME GUY POSTED A THOUSAND SONS PAINTING PLAYLIST YEARS AGO AND I WATCHED IT LIKE YESTERDAY AND I WAS GONNA VIEW IT AGAIN TODAY AND THE PLAYLIST IS FUCKING GONE!!! THE ENTIRE CHANNEL IS GONE WHAT THE FUCK WHAT THE FUCK DO I STRIP MY MODELS WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO WHAT THE FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK WHERE IS THE GUIDE
HE JUST CASUALLY AIRBRUSHES A RHINO AND SOME TACTICAL MARINES AND WHATNOT ON HIS DESK THEN PLAYS A GAME WITH THEM AND RECORDS IT IT'S LIKE A VLOG FUCK
>>96275570Check your history, then waybackmachine it?
>>96275577NO NO NO IT'S NOT THERE I JUST CHECKED ALL TRACE OF IT IS GONE IT'S NOT EVEN IN MY BROWSER HISTORY THAT'S WHY I'M FREAKING OUT MAN IT'S LIKE I HALLUCINATED AN ENTIRE VIDEO PLAYLIST WHERE HE WENT THROUGH HIS WHOLE PROCESS AND PAINTS WHAT THE FUCK???
>>96275570>>96275580Did you forget to take your meds?
>>96275570>>96275580>thousand sons anon has a schizophrenic episode, hallucinates an entire video playlist and freaks out when trying to find it again and all traces have disappeared (it was never real)Truly a Tzeentch moment
>>96275593hey this one time I listened to a song and then couldn't find it for two years until I randomly remembered a website that I hadn't checked and found it.
>>96275583>>96275593Oh god OH GOD I FUCKING SAVED IT I REMEMBER I SAVED THE WHOLE PLAYLIST AND IT'S GONE. DID HE DELETE HIS CHANNEL IN RESPONSE TO ME FAVORITING IT??? DOES YOUTUBE NOTIFY PEOPLE IF YOU FAVORITE THEIR VIDEOS??? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON??? I LOOK UP "thousand sons horus heresy airbrush" WHICH IS WHAT I SEARCHED TO BEGIN WITH TO FIND IT AND NOW I CAN'T FIND IT HE HAD A BRILLIANT SCHEME IT WAS UNUSUAL BUT LOOKED JUST LIKE THE ARTWORK IT WAS INSANE AND NOW IT'S GONE??? THE PLAYLIST IS GONE. I NEED HIS RED PAINT MIX FORMULA, FUCK.
IT WAS LIKE AN AMATEUR VLOG, IN THE SECOND VIDEO OF THE PLAYLIST HE FILMS WHAT IS BASICALLY A BATREP CAN ANYONE FIND IT
>>96275463>charge in and finish off the survivors with their power daggers.10 power daggers do mere 3.3 wounds on 3+ saves, ano-
>10 Tacticals do barely 0.8 W on 3+ saves. 10 Assault marines would do 2.2Wow. Troop melee is that bad huh. Okay that cements it; they can bully small guys I guess?
>They can also equip the entire unit with meltabombs for a mere 25 points.Aight this is better. I think an entire squad with meltabombs is a rarity now that Destroyers no longer have them for whatever reason.
Thanks, anon. I'm warming up to Saboteurs too
>>96275241>Blackshield chads>there's twoSad. Many such cases!
>>96275598I'm still chasing one game from my childhood. 16 bit and you build something in a scene? Can have scrolling spaceships or fish? Kinda like a stamp tool? Can change bgm. Wonder if I'll ever find it.
>>96275611https://www.youtube.com/@Heresyfromscratch
Is it this guy?
>>96275368thats a lot of iron warriors, impressive!
>>96275611I don't know how I did it, but I did notice my favorite "Neco Arc sings Invisible" video disappeared from youtube. Idk how I got the exact adress or something, but it turns out it had been set to Private.
Downloaded that one right away. I'm listening to it right now.
>>96275618Effrit also have 2 attacks each, so it's 20 power dagger attacks. And 2 wounds. I've played them a lot last edition, they can clean up troops all game long.
Wish Headhunters also had 2 wounds 2 attacks, they're so fragile and pay for having power daggers but only have 1 attack...
>>96275618I was looking yesterday and the only squads I could find that could take all melta bombs was thallax and headbunters, I'm pretty sure their gimmick (with legacies) is supposed to be infiltrating with combi meltas and multi meltas and either one shooting a character with precision 4+ combi weapons or blowing up a tank
>>96275621NO IT WAS A DIFFERENT GUY HE HAD LIKE A BEARD OR A MUSTACHE OR SOMETHING??
>>96275620Yeah there's a video I remember watching once which I vaguely recall was a tech demo but I also can't deny it was an incredibly vivid and intricate dream I just remembered for some reason.
>>96275580>>96275657Check your youtube history. It has a built in search.
>>96275636Yeah the 3.3 is 10 effrit with power daggers, so 20A. So, 10 Headhunders do 1.66, which is the same as Assault marines into them because they don't have 2W for chainswords do Shred on.
But hey, banestrike shotguns are assault weapons! That's interesting.
>>96275721>To be or not to be?
>>96275725Poor traitor blood angels. I knew them all too well.
Autocannons may not be the end of all things, but I think Siege Tartaros are going to be fun. They certainly look cool. Look at the lil guy. He looks so sad, peeking from inside that cowl ;__;
I wouldn't want them having thunder hammers, but power fists would be totally fine
>>96275725Least grim Blackshield
Are Predators enough armor or do I need to get something a little harder?
>>96275744They're a neat option but too expensive in big squads and not effective in small squads.
But a squad of them with plasma blasters like shotguns and a master sergeant kitted for melee sounds dope.
>>96275341Nah, this is the only good Warhammer animation
https://youtu.be/2MbqVEOA_io
The Saturnine fellas are growing on me.
>>96275770The model is dumb but the kit is so good you forget.
Alright, boys. Those of you that have gotten some games in, what do you think?
>>96275825It never gets old
>>96275770Heavy is the crown.
>>96275770dangg that look good
Found this guy in the drawer, though I'm missing the melta half of his combi-weapon. Gonna use him as a centurion in DG and probably give him the Eternal Warrior prime advantage. What should his combi-weapon be?
>>96275858Huh I hadn't noticed the eagle mask guys. So that's where Suzerain helmets came from, I assume.
>>96275899What do you want
What does the squad have
What bits do you have
Otherwise I'd say combi Melta, the thing you don't have. Useless answer it'd be
>>96275919>he didn't know
>>96275926Will probably hang around Grave Wardens so maybe combi-grenade launcher to stay on-theme.
>>96275770Very cool pose. I think I'll have to save one of mine to make a diorama with. Maybe an EC one sitting on a throne watching a prisoner get whipped or something. Other 5 will be a TSons command squad.
So played my first game of 3.0 last night, AL vs NL, 2500. Lerneans are good as expected, headhunters are bad as expected, firedrakes are still good for theft, terror squads still suck, lightning claws are proper blenders, av14 is tough as nails now. Most legion lists should be able to play into each other, mech so far looks about even with legions, custodes will either crumple vs massed armour or tear through every marine CC unit that doesnt have a fist-which most people will never bring en mass since hammers are better vs most enemies. took a lot longer than 1.0 or 2.0, not sure if thatll improve even when everyones memorised the rules.
>>96275945Combi-grenade looks good with 2 damage and no limited.
>>96275949>av14 is tough as nails nowmany are saying this
>>96275949>doesn't have fistI'm confused. Power fist and thunder hammer are both high enough strength to wound on 2's, both are ap2, and outside sallies both are damage 2.
>>96275949>>96275962You gotta bring the right tools to deal with AV 14 now. On the other side very few AV vehicles have the volume of fire to really threaten infantry units, and vehicles don't interact with objectives at all. In my games I've ignored the wall of land raiders and kratos and still easily won on points.
>>96275949>Lerneans are good as expected, I'd like to hear more
>headhunters are bad as expected, Aww, how so?
>lightning claws are proper blendersDisbelief. Just what did he claw with them?
>>96275965This. Are they not T5?
>>96275980The termies are t6, but everything else is t5.
>>96275970Anon how do you ignore half a dozen lascannon and/or a melta blast gun? :O
>>96275949Here's my TAC 3k list no broken shit like bringing a primarch allowed, we play friendly around here :^)
135-Praetor, hammer/paragon
105-Centurion, hammer
250 or so-terminator squad-command squad or legion-specific, whatever's better
275-landraider, hull lascannons
185-Tac squad, mmelta rhino
185-Tac squad, mmelta rhino
185-Tac squad, mmelta rhino
185-Tac squad, mmelta rhino
355-Kratos, meltacannon, hull and sponsor lascannons
355-Kratos, meltacannon, hull and sponsor lascannons
650-fellblade
Let me know what else to bring with my last 135 points, do i have enough scoring? Everything's still grey since i can't decide on a legion :^)
>>96275985>half a dozen lascannonYou just take your lumps. 6 lascannons hit 4 times average, wound 3-4 times. A tank with 6 lascannons isn't going to win spending 3 turns to kill a 100 point tactical squad.
>>96275985Having more marines than the total number of shots those tanks can fire in a full game. Even the melta blast gun is only 2 shots, to kill 8 infantry it needs to hit and wound with everything and you need to fail all saves.
Oh and making a LOS blocking wall of empty Rhinos also helps a lot. They even have a chance to survive a land raider firing all guns into it now, it's crazy.
>>96275997I always like to start my lists with 30 corvidae autocannon tartaros and 12 laser destroyer rapiers, personally. Plus some divination librarians incase of characters. That and 4 rhinos with tacticals. Think I might get some Custodes to ally in though.
>>96275980>WS 5 again>High Ld stats>All the melee weapon options you'd want>Conversion beam cannons are nasty>Hatred marines>Line 1Lernaean have everything you'd want for an immovable objective camping unit. Can easily kick enemy line units off an objective, hold their own against elite melee units, good saves, and decimate enemy infantry with conversion beamers when not in combat.
>>96275965>>96275980That ones on me, must have looked at the back and mixed it up with the gravis fist below's damage, still better in general due to the better IM
>>96275970They're good at mulching elite infantry though, but if you leave a 300-point termie squad sitting around they deserve to get focus-fired
>>96275980One squad of lerneans with a conversion beamer squatted on my backfield objective and didnt die, the other and the firedrakes went up the middle in LRs and took several hundred points of night raptors down while holding the middle objective, his kratos and rapiers killed my raiders over four turns while our despoilers engaged in slapfights. Gave Master Sarge to the harrower and he succesfully bopped the jump centurion over the head while my praetor helped gut the rest of the squad, his claws probably didnt pay for themselves but did help chew through the firedrakes just by weight of attacks more than anything else
Headhunters did nothing and lost half their models to bolter fire turn 1, 3+ 1w elites makes them priority targets for anything and 18" range means you're gonna get shot by anything that doesn't have a better target
>>96276083>several hundred points of night raptors downBut was he using thunder hammers?
>>96276026>>Hatred marinesThe only weapons it affects are only AP2 on a 5+ or 6+ anyways. No hatred needed for TH
Wonder if the saturnine command squad is gonna be the unit that throws a wrench in the hammer meta. T6 means hammers only wound them on a 3+, and if they can all take saturnine war axes they're gonna cut through elite melee units like butter at initiative 4
>>96276139How are their bulky (4) M5 asses getting to the frontline though? Three take up a whole 250ish point Land Raider and Spartans are 400.
>>96276178Same as cataphractii do: land raider or spartan. Those transports were considered worth it for caraphractii two editions straight, when vehicles could disappear with one lucky hit.
>>96276114I think his sarge had one and it was the only hammerer in the one unit, cant remember the exact ratio but was about 2/3 claws on one squad and even splits of redshirts/glaives on the other. If he was full of hammers i'd have been toast. I was impressed by the claw output since i kinda expected the firedrakes to demolish that combat, instead they just about were wiped out. Glaives did fuckall and so the lerneans were the heros of the hour when they cleaned up shop the next turn-if i get some more printed i'm half tempted to stick claws on them to fish for 6s, and its not like the volkite was doing much for them anyway
>>96276139They won't get reaping against a 5 man.
>>96276178With axes you probably don't want more than 3.
>>96276178I'm assuming that they'll get a rule like "counts as a Saturnine Terminators unit for the Saturnine Praetor's telepotation transponder" (kill yourselves GW it's a 260 point model you could have just let them deep strike with anyone)
>>96276139>at initiative 4You mean at i3. If i5 praetors are i4 when wearing Saturnine, then Saturnine command will be i3
>>96276178Can't they teleport when the Praetor buys a 60 pts teleporter?
>>96276139...wait, Saturnine axes have no slow effect?
>>96276262>Initiative 3Still early than thunder hammers.
>>96276269Nope, unmodified initiative.
>>96276221Reaping does seem like a neat deterrent against lightning claw squads that might otherwise try to casino/wheedle the squad down though
>>96276272>>96276282Huh. Guess they'll be banking on that i3 yeah. The hammer would be i0 in their hands, maybe that means hammers will be character only
At S5, those axes will hit on 4s, wound termies on 4s, and need to defeat 4++ Invulns. They'd need 4A to kill a single cataphractii Jesus Christ they are Reaping 2 fuck fuck fuck.
What else will GW fucking STEAL from Death Guard? Scythes are a fucking joke
>>96275194 (OP)>Have you tried Flyers in 3e yet?Nope, because I only have a Primaris Lightning and they have vanished into the aether.
>>962763014A kill 0.5 termies, anon. You multiplied by the damage twice. Rip Scythes though
>>96276301>>96276309In return you need like 12 attacks to kill one saturnine with thunder hammers.
>>96276320Either way the attrition seems to be in the favour of the saturnine command squad.
>>962763013 command axe saturnine will kill like 2 cata. If the cata started at 7 guys they'll kill a bit over 1 saturnine. It's honestly pretty close on who wins this and with how many 4+'s are involved to hit / wound / invuln both sides will be very likely to whiff.
>>9627632012. You need 2 unsaved wounds, 4 pre save wounds, 6 hits, 12 attacks.
Archmagi are surprisingly badass dueling characters, I've been playing around with them and the sheer beef means a fairly affordable 140-170pt melee Magos will eventually fist their way through almost any non-Primarch character. I don't think they can take any Primarchs, although that's entirely due to the Primarchs reducing all damage they can put out to 1 and Archmagi lacking Eternal Warrior. I'll have to see if Angron can boss-rush his way through his points in Magi, just as a hypothetical.
Siggy goes down like a chump, though. He has EW, but he's only got 4 wounds and Archmagi are so damn tanky that his paragon blade just doesn't cut it. I would imagine the same goes for almost any praetor character, since they all seem to have almost identical gear.
How can you make threads with 800 posts every day? What the fuck is going on? I herd all deleted stuff in Legacy now. Is it solved the problem or not?
>>96276399Go to bed Rajesh, you have a big day tomorrow saar.
>>96276399Can finally have a reasonable discussion about the new edition now that all the spamming doom bots have moved on to a new shitstorm.
>>96276399It's wild. Some days I can't keep up. Also, there's no Assault Vets on foot, but I guess that's Centurion command squads anyways.
Many Centurions didn't get all their wargears options back, but unironically that's livable.
The problem is that I don't like Phoenix rapiers, Shrapnel bolters fucking suck and so do Power Scythes, so that's 3 out of 4 down
>>96276356Malagra Archmagi can reach 9A, which is the threshold where chainfists start comparing to power fists against infantry.
Because yeah, you need 9 fucking attacks to negate their -1A.
Minus 1 attack is that big a penalty
>>96276356I think a Custodes tribune probably does it. Ws7, ew2, 6 + impact attack at s6 with crit blows.
As an aside, if you have 2 instances of crit blow (6+) do they stack in any way?
>>96275194 (OP)>>Tactics>https://1d6chan.miraheze.orug/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/TacticsDoes not work
>>96275241>Becomes black shield>Instantly forgot what maintenance isWhy do normies like this trope ?
>>96276546Dirty marines is probably the worst trope and trend that happened to warhammer.
>Muh fighting for a monthHow incredibly bad are your marines that they fight for a whole month?
Most books and cannon games 3 marines need 2 hours to do some incredibly massive objective.
Blackshields are just funny. Like you can have a demi-company of Raven Guard lose comms for a month and once the next time anyone hears from them they are wearing armor lime green and copper and are calling themselves the Inimical Warders. It embraces the hyperfixation with pageantry and melodrama that all Astartes have.
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>>96276581>books>games>canon
I'm building my first Contemptor Dreadnought and trying to choose what weapons to give him. Am I missing something because Gravis Plasma Cannons seem to be hands-down the best option.
A 5" blast seems incredibly generous for 2 plasma templates and HH3 template rules make it super accurate. Just seems to mog every one of the standard weapons with the possible exception of Lascannons because they actually have a job to do.
>>96276581Because this is 30k, not 40k.
Space marines are the primary military of the imperium, waging war is their (main) thing, not special operations equivilent stuff that is their main thing in 40k.
So yes, just like imperial guardsmen in 40k, or soldiers in real life, they are very likely to get into situations where they get dirty after fighting for months, or are effectively cut off from friendly territory with no means to resupply.
>>96276608Magnetise it you stinky nerd, the model is even designed for it now.
>>96276581It's called visual interest
And the lore has always been stupid with timescale
>>96276581In the first few heresy novels there are multiple several month campaigns described over a single planet of xenos / rebels / etc. A system wide campaign against other marines is bound to take a long ass time.
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>>96276542It's part of some anon's plan to stiffle discussion regarding non 28mm HH topics. He did it with LI, when he would intentionally misspell its name, and now he's doing it again, by adding an extraneous "u" to the AT link. Just remove it and it's gucci
I'm obviously joking, I can 100% assure you that there is no secret cabal secretly plotting the expulsion of AT/LI discussion of players from the /hhg/ thread
>>96276613NTA but what magnet sizes do Saturnine dreads and termies take?
Sallies are one of the best legions for characters, but how bad would you be shooting yourself in the foot going full herohammer, with a praetor, 3 consuls, + 2 more from an officer cadre?
>>96276719a lot, actually. you'll spend a lot of points and not get that much out of it. if you want herohammer, you want to apply all your amazon prime advantages onto chosen sergeants
>>96276764Maybe I'll just have to pour my conversion ideas into making a bunch of 'master sergeants'. Vulkan, a delegatus, and a praetor gives 7 prime slots, plus you can take Immolation Covenants to get master serg sanctifiers.
>>96275618A couple of units still have the option. Headhunters can go full Meltabomb as well I think. I still don't know why they took away the Sarg's Venom Spheres, it's not like they're particularily good.
Has anyone played with Zardu yet and used his soul binding?
Huh. You can technically use dark emissaries to staple together other characters and units without penalty. Like if you wanted to put Ahriman in a unit of deathshroud terminators for reasons beyond me, you can chuck a dark emissary in there to do so. The best use of this I can think off the top of my head is chucking Maloghurst in Lerneans for line 2 termies, but that's probably too many eggs in one basket.
>>96276909I try to paint anon but for every model I finish you seem to finish an entire squad.
>>96276983It's my autismal "try to paint wherever I can" process. That and the fact that I've been on holiday from work for the last 4 weeks.
>>96276988I try to do that but between the heat and how tired I am I've been reading instead of painting most of the time.
>>96277012It's just silly things like making sure I do my oil washes right before I go to bed, and clean up before the kids get up in the morning that take the extra time out of it.
Reading is also an important hobby, whatcha reading anon?
Why do heresy-era thousand sons look like shit??? Why do they all look like they're wearing shiny red sports cars? How do you weather that??
>>96277084>how do you weather that?Idk, you tell me.
>>96277084>How do you weather that??That's up to you.
>>96277084Sponge metallics
>>96277084Just go with a less glossy primer/varnish? I imagine it no more metallic than what you'd expect from IW or AL, compared to being made out of car wax or latex.
>>96276719>Sallies are one of the best legionsYou could stop it right here anon.
>>96277221>legion has an ugly christmas ornament color scheme>legion that also sat out most of the heresyhard pass.
>>96277221what's with all of the new TS enjoyers coming out all of the sudden ?
>figured i should research which legion would be my favorite before building an army
>it's been over a decade and i still can't choose
Daily reminder that Death Guard infantry only use bolters, flamer, and melta weapons. If I see death guard wielding any other weapons, I'm smashing your models.
>>96277290>long ranged AT? Anti-heavy infantry? Pffft, we won't need that, put that shit in the reserves. All of my infantry will be forced to shoot tanks at point blank to destroy them, and the only weapons they'll have to augment their anti-infantry capabilities will be heavy bolters and flamers, even if they end up facing off against robots or power armored xenos or something.Was Mortarion retarded?
>>96277259>newThe video that still comes from is two years old. That said, TS in 3.0 are back to being very good like in 1.0, after being very shitty in 2.0. Like an emotional rollercoaster.
>>96277307>long ranged AT>anti-heavy infantryThat's what the rapiers are for, anon.
>>96277307>Other types of ranged weapons were deployed>as the tactical situation or nature of the enemy demanded.Not as retarded as you.
Rolled 15 (1d20)
>>96277282just do this and reroll 2s and 11s
>>96277290>only use bolters, flamer, and melta weaponsNot what the image you posted says.
>>96277307Perhaps you are retarded, anon. Other types of ranged weapons were used as the situation demanded. What this means is that melta, flamer and bolt weapons were "standard issue" for logistical purposes, but that Legion maintained a plethora of weapons in reserve for when the situation demanded it.
>yeah man, we're up against robots with long ranged weapons, bring out the autocannons>enemy has a lot of tanks with long ranged firepower, bring out the lascannons>we need to kill our brethren on Istvaan III, bring out the plasma weaponsetc, etc
>lorgar is once again one of the better primarch duelists because Illuminarium is a retardedly stacked weapon
He can't keep getting away with this
>>96277344He always hits above his weight. Meanwhile look at poor corax, genuinely bad at combat. Worse into TEQ than a praetor.
>>96277344>hits you over the head with retarded chaos mace
>wanted to play word bearers
>some local fuckwit already plays word bearers
Time to pick a new legion
>>96277331Thanks anon, but I think I'm good. Which was your first legion, and how did you come to choosing it?
>>96277364I've only collected alpha legion and honestly I can't really remember because it was over a decade ago
I think it was something like I wanted to pick a legion the playgroup I was in hadn't already picked, but even then there were plenty of legions to choose from
>>96277362Don't be a homo that feels the need to be a unique snow flake, just be the better word bearer player instead?
>>96277354Corax wants to go around turning (high) command models into paste in challenges with his 16" move and high attack volume
I'm looking for some of the previous edition PDFs, specifically the campaign books and exemplary battles for 2nd edition. Does anyone have a link to a working mega?
>>96277377>there's only like five horus heresy players in the local area>a new one joins and plays the same legion as someone elseYeah, pass, I'm not getting into a pissing contest and would like to contribute to game variety
About 3 years ago, I bought an age of darkness box. Bought a bunch of thousand sons bits. Some thousand sons 40k kits for conversion purposes. Started painting them.
I painted about ten, then quit and put the box in my closet for 3 years because I started to hate how ornate the thousand sons were and wanted a more grimdark scheme. Problem is, I have all these thousand sons kits. So, from a money perspective, the best option is obviously to just...finish up the thousand sons.
But from a hobby perspective, I don't want to do that. I'm fucked. I fucked myself over.
>>96277400For fucks sake man you post this in every thread. You can always offload projects on ebay. What advice are you even looking for at this point?
>>96277400>ksonfags proving they're all actually brainletssasuga, sons of the biggest brainlet
>top of cataphractii shoulderpads are lower than the top of the torso
please tell me you dont do this, its fucking ugly
>>96277400This you, anon?
>>96277415Whats wrong with Kson?
>>96277414>You can always offload projects on ebayYeah, those don't even sell on discount. Shit stays up on ebay for years without being sold.
>>96277420>ksonfags are illiterate as wellthe pottery continues
>>96277426Whats wrong with Kson?
>>96277414>What advice are you even looking for at this point?How do I take the thousand sons bits off??? Heads, torsos, etc?
>>96277290>bolter, melta and flamer>keeping supply needs to a minimumI can't think of any supply hungrier weapons.
>>96277430You've been told multiple times to put them in the freezer for an hour or two and they'll easily snap off
>>96277434But what if I break the entire model :( I don't want my boyfriend getting mad at me if I make a mess
>>96277447Oh this is just bait.
>>96277434>You've been told multiple timesAnon's not looking for solutions, he's looking for (You)s and just want to bitch and moan about how hard he has it having to
*checks notes*
throw away 10 marines and start over
>>96277447You've also been told multiple times to either blow him or offer boipussi and he won't care
>>96277422I buy and sell projects on ebay. Adjust your price point Mr "professionally painted" premium
>>96277427>a personal attack against me is an attack against my waifu>a personal attack against me is an attack against my legionyou ksonfags are all the same
never
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change
>>96275517Perdition weapons seem like they kind of suck in this edition, like theyโre not particularly superior to normal power weapons aside from the status effect bonus. Not really seeing why theyโd be worth taking outside of shits and giggles.
>>96277489The LD penalty is valuable. You can also give your unit fear, so thats -2 to LD beyond whatever they lose by, you can turn close combats into a rout.
>>96277400Stop being a fag and posting this in every thread. Either sell the TS bits, or paint your fucking box as TS. That's it, those are the two options. You either get over 10 fucking marines which you can buy on eBay for like ยฃ20, and build and paint a different army, or you continue to be an entirely pointless spam poster who still doesn't have any models.
>>96277390You said the other player was a fuckwit, are you really going to let a fuckwit play the legion you want to play?
Getting assraped is an essential aspect of the heresy. Why haven't you been assraped?
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>>96277511because I consented
>>96277511Russia, go home, you're drunk.
>>96277511>Why haven't you been assraped?Because I am the one that assrapes.
>>96277511Only if you think imperial army requires separate rules from imperial militia
>>96277447>>96277447He'll probably ravage your asshole
>>96277084The candy red is sexy, you plebian.
>>96277569They look like Christmas ornaments, anon. Put this next to any of the legion paint schemes with grimier, darker color schemes and show them to a normie and the normie will prefer the more realistic looking marine over the retarded comic book marine. I guarantee it.
>>96277622Why did they change it to blue and gold?
>You WILL read the science textbook, superstitious scum!
>>96277640>militant reddit atheists
>>96277622>Literal angel marines in muh grimy dank setting>Most conservative is bright red
>>96277626Because they wanted to better resemble the GLORIOUS XIII Legion and their Spiritual Liege, Roboute Guilliman
>>96277626>Why did they change it to blue and gold?They were always blue and gold, the only reason they're red is because Alan Bligh is a hack that insisted they be different to stroke his own ego
>Thousand Sons think it's an auto win with Magnus on their side
>Tzeentch thinks it's an easy win taking Emperor's most psychic son
>Emperor thinks it's a sure win to sow a seed of immutability into Magnus
>everyone's face when Magnus's unchanging superpower turns out to be he can't stop making the worst choices
>>96277658He even allowed primaris to exist when he didn't let the ship carrying the magna mater get blown up by the soh.
>>96277648Yeah, and they look retarded. Compare that to the grimdark and gritty raven guard. Looks much better on a shelf next to historical miniatures, no? Try becoming a serious wargamer, anon.
>>96277691are you the anon who was afraid of his dad making fun of him for displaying his warhammer next to his dads historicals
>>96277656Wrong. You are a TOURIST. Index Astartes made them red in 2003.
>>96277675What an absolute embarrassment to mankind. It's like he searching to make unforced errors.
>>96277714I'm here to make inflammatory statements, not to be right
>>96277249>legion that also sat out most of the heresyNot my warband. They hate Magnus and fucked off first chance they did and fought everyone.
>all these thousand sons fags coming out of the woodworks because they got good rules
FUCK OFF, STAY AWAY FROM MY FUCKING LEGION, PRICKS. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE A RARE LEGION IN THE HORUS HERESY, ONLY I AM ALLOWED TO PLAY THEM, YOU FUCKS! MY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKES!!!
>>96277749>Heresyfags are constantly one rules change away from dropping their current projects and picking up a new legionI've been saying that 90% of heresy players are waacfags in denial for years and no one listened
>>96277691>bright white>Bird up!Gr8 b8
>>96277714>IA made them red in 2003Time to pack your bags and go home, tourist.
>>96277759make that anyone playing a GW product, you don't play imbalanced games otherwise.
>>96277749Lol nice try waacfag, you bought your army off facebook like 2 weeks ago I bet lmao.
>>96277354Corax is definitely the biggest disappointment every edition. Alpharius might have been objectively weakest in stats, but it makes sense because he lets himself 'die' for whatever reason. When Konrad Curze saw Lorgar attempt to fight Corax for even a few seconds, Konrad had to sprint over, block Corax's talons, kick Lorgar's ass to the curb and tell him "you stand no chance here bitchboy go back to church" and Lorgar ran away crying.
Then Angron had to save Lorgar's life from desk analytics guilliman.
No one has ever had to save Corax. He's just the same as Jaghatai/Fulgrim/Konrad except with the added wings that instantly make him and Sanguinius overpowered. Corax's special gambit should have been do half attacks and some sort of initiative test on opponent and if they fail it, he just flies out of the challenge before they even get to hit him.
>>96277826That curze fight ended with corax running away fort dear god
>>96277834retreating is the kind of thing people who aren't retards do when outnumbered 100-to-1 and your primarch ally Vulkan got hit with a nuclear missile and died and Ferrus sprinted away alone and got his cappa detated.
I love Konrad but he'd have died if it wasn't an impossible to lose battle for the traitor army.
>>96277622>>96277648>>96277714>>96277767>it is the age of darkness>on a forgotten world, death guard, sons of horus, salamanders, raven guard, iron hands, iron warriors, dark angels, night lords and blackshields are all fighting each other in dark and/or drab colored schemes. It is raining, mud is everywhere, the sky is clouded by ash, but the battlefield is lit by gunfire, the discharge of energy weaponry, and burning promethium. >the clouds part>the combat lulls as the combatants stare up at the sky and gawk at the sight of bright candy red thunderhawks with gold livery>"YOOOOO HOOOOOOOOO!!!" is heard from the vox loudspeaker of one of the thunderhawks as it hovers above, its assault ram lowering to reveal marines wearing the same bright candy red as their transports>they drop down and start waving their hands and babbling gibberish as rainbow colored sparkles emit from their fingertips, which radiates off their reflective red armor to create a dazzling sensation of light and color>"have you tried being...FABULOUS???" says the thousand sons praetor leading them, throwing glitter at the face of a stunned death guard marine before pointing at his entourage of heavy support marines posing with magical rending 5+ autocannons >the marines who were already fighting grumble to themselves and get in their transports, their conflict ruined, leaving the sons of magnus to continue doing silly poses
>>96277048I'm trying to read the entire heresy series. I had only read a handful of separate books before. I got hooked.
Is the Knight Atrapos annoyingly busted? Never played knights before but someone just offered me one totally untouched for 80 dollars. Coolest looking one with some mean weapons but I don't want to be annoying. Allied to Veletari heavy SA.
>>96277867Buy that shit nigga
>>96277713This dad sounds extremely based. He should be ashamed of his faggot effeminate son, and it's good he shames him.
>>96277867Dont think so? He has guns that will OHKO vulkan, but hes also 800pts and entirely mortal.
>>96277867>annoyingly bustedIt's deleter has overload, so it could also delete itself so I wouldn't say it's annoyingly busted. It's finally as scary on the TT as lore.
>>96277714Thousand Sons were red like the irish red beard of their the cyclops monster primarch who had blue skin.
It'd look tacky AF if they had the same color armor as their primarch's skin. Ooh look Vulkan leading the legion of marines with black ceramite. Ooh Jaghatai and his legion of bright yellow marines. Fulgrim and the white marines. Tacky.
>>96277873>>96277886>>96277887How advisable is an airbrush for painting a knight? I've had a compressor for years but never got around to starting.
>>96277867With the exception of thousand sons rending+breaching combos, there really isnt anything actively busted this edition (the sort of thing thats just so wildly and blatantly OP that you want to avoid it on principle because its just so obviously too good (think contemptors from 2e))
Some units might be overtuned (sanctifiers, deathwing companions), some armies might be better than others, but its a matter of increments and "well this thing is just a few points too low" rather than a matter of bullshit.
>>96277894Helpful but not required
>>96277899change Corvid to 6+ rend, raise Vulkan points cost by +70, make glances against AV14 each provide the choice between a status or 1 point of damage (only pens do 2+ dmg), change wordbearers to +2 combat res and give dark angels an entirely different trait, then post a PDF with entirely different terrain rules, and the edition would be salvageable
>>96277926>change Corvid to 6+ rendI think the corvidae power just shouldnt work on heavy weapons. Making it rending(6+) makes it useless on the regular thousand sons units (since asphyx bolters do the same) and rending is not on its own problematic.
Just make it not work on heavy weapons, which removes the biggest offenders (autocannons). It still works on plasma but thats more manageable.
>vulkanSure. Although I dont think a primarch being too strong or too weak matters too much, theyre rarely taken and their overall power is generally wasted in every fight that isnt against another primarch.
>>96277947both plasma guns and the tzeentch dmg2 plasma guns are still both far too universally effective with rend5+, considering they are so very affordable for slicing down justaerin like they're weeds.
They deal melee style cost-effective damage except with zero need for a transport, charge tests or letting the enemy swing back in melee.
>>96277926>raise Vulkan points cost by +70Nah.
He should still be around the 460 points mark like the rest of his brothers.
Just nerf his gambit and hammer to dmg 2 or EW to 2 (one of those two) and he's fine.
Goddammit I just realized the master of decent can't buy twin lightning claws. Fuck this stupid edition
>>96276423I don't think they can spike that high, the Malagra power specifies you can only modify each characteristic by a max of 2, so the Archmagos spikes to A6 from his base A4. Where are you getting the extra 1-3 swings from?
>>96276440Yeah, he might manage it, although I think he'd be better off with the solarite fist - he has an init edge anyway, and an Abeyant archmagos is T7 or possibly T8, you'll want the Strength even with Finishing Blow against the Magos' Flurry of Blows. I'll have to run it a couple of times and see how it goes.
I don't believe duplicates of any special rule stack, no.
>>96276764Hero hammer is fucking gay. Stop engaging with these types of comments. 30k is not the place for it.
>>96277853>"what the FUCK, man" said mortarion to Horus as Fulgrim walked into the traitor conference room>"WHY IS HE INVITED?? I THOUGHT WE WERE KILLING ALL THE RETARDEDLY BRIGHT COLORED LEGIONS?" said Perturabo, shuddering at Fulgrim's rich purple armor>"Yeah, we drew the line at the World Eaters, bro, because despite being bright white, it's usually splattered in gore anyway and they don't polish it to a sheen like those dumbass White Scars." said Mortarion.>Horus raised his hand for silence. "Brothers. The plan has changed.">"The fuck do you mean? Where's Vulkan, Corax, and Ferrus, anyway? And that fag El'Jonson? The original plan was to include them, too, they've got darker color schemes than we do." growled Curze.>Horus shook his head. "We're gonna kill those first three, actually. And you're gonna personally go after the Dark Angels, Konrad.">The room erupted. There was shock, confusion.>"WE'RE ACCEPTING THIS RETARD-COLOR BASTARD WITH HIS BRIGHT PURPLE PAINT SCHEME, BUT WE'RE KILLING TWO OF THE THREE BLACK PAINTED LEGIONS??? WHAT??? THE WHOLE IDEA OF THIS REBELLION WAS TO GET RID OF THE BRIGHTFAGS, HORUS!" roared Angron.>"And we'll be outnumbered." grumbled Mortarion.>"Ah, well, I've got a solution for that, too..." said Horus, gesturing to the door.>"OH, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!! YOU INVITED THE REDSKIN AND FUCKING ALPHARIUS? THEY LOOK OBNOXIOUS!" roared the traitors in unison.>"I don't even want to be here, guys" mumbled Magnus, before Mortarion socked him in the mouth.>"WHERE THE FUCK IS RUSS?" shouted Perturabo. "HE WAS SUPPOSED TO KILL MAGNUS AND HIS LEGION FOR BEING CANDY RED MAGICIANS, THE FAGS!">"Uh, yeah, that still happened, but like, Magnus is gonna be on our side now." said Horus. "Also, we're rebelling because we're gonna worship evil gods, now. Nothing to do with color schemes. It was Lorgar's idea. He wants to wear red, now.">everyone groaned.
>>96277980Yet another reason to just let HQs take anything they could in 2e. GW do not care about the game state, plain and simple. Just take the two claws man, deepstriking already sucks with melee.
Need to make a Jump Pack Praetor for my Raven guard, what would be a good base model to start from?
>>96277968Plasmaguns and the aetherfire plasma are at least (relatively) short range and on fragile carriers. Autocannons have the distinct pleasure of being long range and something you can take on terminators.
But yea, the corvidae power is a pain to balance. Id say "make it precision" but then you have sniper lascannons, which people will also complain about.
>>96278058Alexis Pollux
>>96278035>"I don't even want to be here, guys" mumbled Magnus, before Mortarion socked him in the mouthkek
>>96277998OK, looking at the Custodes characters, yeah, Valdor will blend an Archmagos in melee, since he gets free pick of gambits and can just shoot up to D4 critical hits. Unsurprising, he's over twice the cost.
Regular custodes tribune is quite close, acutally - he can't take the solarite power gauntlet, so he's stuck with a D1 S6 weapon. With Finishing Blow he does 1.55 wounds to an Abeyant archmagos per round and the Magos does 1.25 back with the Malagra gambit, but the Archmagos has one more wound, so statistically they both die in four rounds of swinging with what I think is optimal gambit selection. Custodes has an init lead but is rolling 2d6 pick lowest on Focus, so it probably comes down to the situation and the exact dice on Focus rolls/magos int tests/who got the charge.
>>96278058Dominion Zephon. Just file off the destroyer icons on the jump pack
Change the arms if you want other weapons
>>96278086He's littered on 3d blood drops
>>96277977you're right, I guess point cost wouldn't solve anything for making him enjoyable for beerhammer duels with 99% winrate there, so probably best to just make his 1h hammer dmg2 (crit4+) and keep EW3, that makes him and morty the two unique defense guys, while leaving Ferrus/Lorgar being the big hammer offense glasscannons. He'd still hit the basic brutal breakpoint it'd just be on finisher crits and he'd still have the nice heal and okay initiative for the weapon, just he'd have to choose to prioritize attack or defense not get everything free every single turn.
Such a simple fix too, that GW would've realized if they'd ever playtested it even once before printing.
Played first game, other guy got two line units on two of four objectives turn one, I only got one, and then my vanguard failed the charge against the center objective turn one. He also got first strike so game was over by the bottom of Turn two on points
The game isn't bad (mechanically) but the progressive scoring with line means if you get ahead by enough early enough the game is just over.
>>96278123Make his gambit a once per challenge and make his hammer dmg 2 crit 5+ would be my go to.
He ios already T7, 7W and 1/2s to hit immunity on top of EW3. A Heal every turn of duel unless denied is simply too much (remember there can be multiplme round of duels in a single mele phase).
>>96278035I like to think that one of the lost legions wore bright orange
>>96278001Thinking about
>magos >tech priest >2x vultarax >2x thanatar calix As a relatively small (925 points) add on to my word bearers for anti tank. Think it'll be enough?
>>96278151This sounds fucking terrible from a game design standpoint, why the fuck would they do this?
>>96278181Wouldnt you be better off just grabbing a couple vindicators/rapiers/deredeo? But sure, seems like decent AT
>>96278227I committed to having no vehicles for my word bearers, yes I know every legion used everything but I wanted a specific force out of this and I chose "as much plasma and corrupted troops as I can cram in" over practical things like lascannons
>>96278184It was never playtested, otherwise they would have known the Dark Angels trait never comes into play
>>96278184"if my opponent gets an early lead and we both stay the course he wins" is basically always going to be true, progressive scoring or whfb victory points or whatever else
From the sounds of it anons opponent just had a much stronger early-game and anon wasnt able to sufficiently come back in the late game/dominate him past that point (managing to claim more objectives and do more damage in the first turn).
>>96278243I feel like "big admech robots" is skirting the "vehicles" territory a bit. Although I guess if dreads are fine (are they?) then idk. Still, if youre really hurting for AT I suggest rapiers or doritos with the lascannons (its no vindicator, but its longer range and more durable).
Do we have a list of every status inflicting weapon? Looking for some good combo pieces to go with Effrit. So far having them accompany a double chainfist dread with grav, flamer, and havoc launcher seems funny.
>>96278252My restrictions on the word bearers only applied to them, my Mechanicum is my main army and in fact my word bearers were designed to ally with them, mostly to bring in daemon summoning and cheap psuedo-fearless troops
>>96278264Do different statuses stack?
>>96278264>PanicMorbus Bombard (Phosphex)
Quad Launcher (Phosphex)
Kraken Bolter (Shot Selector)
Flamer
Heavy Flamer
Twin-Heavy Flamer
Flamestorm Cannon
Photonic Incinerator
Arcus Missile Launcher (Pyrax)
Phosphex Bomb
Phosphex Discharger
>PinningMorbus Bombard (HE)
Nemesis Bolter
Graviton Gun (+Shock)
Graviton Cannon (+Shock)
Graviton-Charge Cannon (+Shock)
Grav-Flux Bombard (+Shock)
Graviton Pulverizer (+Shock)
Deathstorm Missile Launcher
Kharybdis Missile Launcher
Volkite Falconet
>SuppressiveRotor Cannon
Punisher Rotary Cannon
Kraken Bolter (Shot Selector)
Gravis Heavy Bolter Battery
Twin Avenger Bolt Cannon
Spicula Rocket System
Volkite Cardanelle
Neutron Beam Laser (Shock)
Neutron Blaster (Shock)
Neutron Laser Battery (Shock)
Neutron-Wave Cannon (Shock)
Arcus Missile Launcher (Neutron) (Shock)
>StunAstartes Shotgun
Demolisher Cannon
Dreadhammer Siege Cannon
Fellblade Accelerator Cannon (HE)
Kratos Battlecannon (HE)
Havoc Launcher
Concussive Resonator
>>96278279Pinning, Stunned, and Suppressed can stack together, Routed overrides and clears them all since it's just all of them combined + forced to run away
>>96278279Yep, and more importantly every status except for panic gets harder to pass with Effrit nearby, so I want to maximize the disruption they cause.
>>96278285You are a king anon, thank you very much!
The experts agree that defense is supreme.
Horus was destined to fail, he lost before he even turned traitor.
>>96278279Yes. And Routed does everything at once.
I want to make a second diabolist. Should I try converting it from the dark apostle, sorcerer, or a dark emissary?
I've got 20 Mkii bodies left. Which Special/Heavy weapons do I give them?
>>96278352All heavy disintegrators
>>96278363This, but ironically.
>>96277759I have never and will never abandon my Iron Hands. Violent retardation to the end.
>>96278352Hard to tell when they actually made internal balance good for once...
Is the rest of your army lacking in anti MEQ,TEQ, vehicles, dreads or status dealing weapons?
>>96277884My dad asked me to make a marine that looks like him to lead a squad. Iโm going to make him a Techmarine instead (heโs a mechanic)
>>96278363>>96278378The pack only having 4 is an actual criminal act and should not be tolerated
>>96278252Don't forget how he clearly didn't bring any long range status inflict either, or he'd have been able to stop a unit from scoring for a turn or two. Or how VP's are doubled for the losing player on turn 4 if they've got half or less than the current winner.
That said, the method for putting Objectives down is fucking dumb in general and Crucible, the mission he was playing is the worst offender of this: and basically just means that one player will get two and the other player will get two and you just camp there all game.
I am almost certain the rules designers actually just played MCP the whole time and tried to steal as much of their scoring system as possible, except they did it REALLY badly. Because honestly? I would have preferred that game's Crisis System to this.
>>96278252The first thing is what happened.
If you pack the objectives with line it's going to be game over if you can't get pushed off. If I would have made the charge and killed the unit off with my vanguard there would have been some of a game left but it didn't happen
However, they really could have anticipated this being an issue, it's literally the same complaint people have with Ligma; it just devolved into spamming infantry on points almost immediately
>>96278473Ok that's cool. I'll allow it. Don't fuck it up anon
>>96278478The blaster being a strictly worse heavy by not having assault is also criminal.
>>96275241>>96276546>Becomes black shield>Steals the closest jet bike instantly
>>96278482I do wonder it people are aware that you place objective markers before even rolling for the deployment map, long before players pick their table edge. Because with that you want to place objective markers somewhere near the centre, so you can be sure you can get to them. It is a real bad idea to place an objective near a board edge, only for it to be the wrong table edge due to the deployment map rolled, or giving it to your opponent because you lost the roll-off for who gets to pick deployment zone first.
>>96278488Yes, if you get an early lead and then both players go even from that point on, the player with an advantage wins, thats just how games work. Thats the point of a lead isnt it? It can be as simple as "I went first so I shot first so I crippled his units" or "I scored an early point more than my opponent, and we then scored equally until I won".
That doesent sound like an issue, it sounds like "the nature of games".
>>96278494It is less points. Stands to reason it would be worse.
>>96278448I think I'm lacking in MEQ and TEQ in general
>>96278491Heโll be one of my last models because I want to paint him up right. Love that dude.
>>96278511It's 2e TH vs PF again. 10p v 15p. There's no reason to not buy the heavy. Make them both 15p and add assault to the blaster. Boom instant use case.
>>96277759Explain Dark Angel players
>>96278352Hot take, but I do think a plasma cannon HSS might be a sleeper this edition. With how accurate blast weapons are it's easy to get a lot of hits, and a shit ton of Str 6 hits are bound to do damage even disregarding the breaching.
I want to make a small jetbike command squad. Being 3 wounds is interesting, but I don't think it's interesting enough to take powerfists over thunder hammers. I plan to have a MM bike squad for tank hunting anyway. Do I just take the hammers?
>>96278524DA were one of the WAAC armies in 2.0
>>96278507It might well be the 'nature of games' but if you can call the game before each player even gets two full turns in, what the fuck is the point.
>>96278550You can only "call it" in the sense that one player now has an advantage. If you, as the player with a disadvantage, cannot then make up for it by outperforming your enemy you will lose.
Chess, checkers, warhammer, card games, its just how games work.
>>96278550>mission type is randomized>both players placed objectives>deployment was randomized>player B made better choices in his list, deployment, and movement that led to a win>get mad that you loseThis is what kids today call a "skill issue"
>>96276684Yes especially when the marines use gorilla warfare
>>96278559So yes, if my opponent scores two points to my one point, and we then continue to get the same number of points for the rest of the game, he will inevitably win and we can call the game. My job is to (well, first of all my job is to make sure he doesent get that advantage over me, but past that point) find a way to score a point or two more tham him in subsequent rounds and find a way to mitigate my opponents advantage.
Am I likely to get it? Probably not, but coming back from a losing position shouldnt be easy, whats the point of playing well for most of the game if you randomly lose to some bullshit last turn? Seems silly right?
>>96278537not better than IF, SW , IF or even Ultras.
Dreadwing was basically you playing with +d3 VP against them. Terranic were too good and so was Sedras but that was it.
>>96278570I'm not mad it's just I wish there was guide rails in place to stop the points ramp up from getting so extreme.
Line (3) probably doesn't need to exist.
>>96278598>IFMeant IH sorry
>>96278599It basically doesent.
>>96278445I'm sure you'd be singing that tune if you had a DA tier legion trait and not one of the best in the game
>>96277980Sure he can, he can exchange both his pistol and chainsword each for one item from the officer wargear list, which has lightning claws. So you change both for 1 claw to get a pair?
>>96278627Iโm not a fair weather fan.
>>96278652Technically no, he can have two single claws. Twin claws are technically an entirely separate weapon equivalent to a two handed weapon.
>>96278673retarted.
Is there an official answer to this issue, somewhere?
>>96278679No, because GW doesn't give a fuck. Just take a twin claws option for the price the centurion pays and call it a day.
>>96278515You probably want multaguns or plasmaguns then. Multaguns need a rhino a lot more I think
If you want heavy weapons instead the las canons are the best but pretty expensive
>>96276909Why is the sarge trying to give handshake?
>>96278698This is the way.
>>96275899For DG? Combi flamer, I think they have chem flamer access again in the pdf
>>96278448>Hard to tell when they actually made internal balance good for onceAnd all they had to do was blandify almost everything.
>>96275770>Walk softly and rest often.
>>96278727Someone is butthurt about las canons loosing sunder
>>96278570No mate, it's a *design* issue because a satisfying tabletop game is one where a player's choices *on the tabletop during the game* are what lead to victory, not when certain combinations of pre-game factors lead to foregone conclusions.
Of course 3.0 is fundamentally opposed to that philosophy in its very core; short games with progressive scoring are literally designed to minimize the impact of on-table decisions and limit actual tactics in favour of listbuilding & random factors so they don't have to worry their Thinkmeat with anything too strenuous when they should be focusing on the anime slapfight phase that's been added so their 200 quid resin figurines can act out the shitty BL novels.
>>96278599NTA, but what has line (3)? The only thing I can think of is Mechanicum archmagos has comptroller (3), but the important thing to note about that one is it only improves their victory point scoring, not their tactical strength, so 4 tacticals on an objective still beat 10 castellax
>>96278735The only las weapons in any of my lists were a unit of Rapiers in ZM and 3.0 made those better, dipshit. But regardless, some of us have a level of consciousness slightly above that of plankton and yourself, and are capable of looking at a matter from an unselfish perspective.
Blandius Heresy 3.0: The Blandening is a game for literal NPCs.
What's a cheap metallic gold rattle can primer for TSons?
>>9627835210 man plasma gun support squad
5 man missile heavy support squad
5 man las cannon heavy support squad
>mfw I see the incoming thousand sons waacfags
GLORY TO RUSS!!! PROSPERO WILL BURN!!!
>>96278775>Internal balance is bland cuz I say soOk, retard
>>96278785Fuck off waacfag fuck off waacfag fuck off waacfag fuck off waacfag fuck off waacfag fuck off waacfag
>>96278058Setorax from the Cassius Kill Team is a popular base for RG conversions
>>96278838I put my time in 2.0 TSons. I just got tired of saying "I play GotCK..."
>>96278840...NGL I can't see why, that looks awful to convert. Fuck nu GWs obsession with whack ass cuts to discourage converting or 3rd party bits
>>96278673If I ever got this sort of "um akshually" answer IRL, I would never play that guy ever again
>>96278533MMs on jetbikes are a bit of a trap because you'll almost never get the Heavy (FP)
>>96278840>Raven head correct direction Why did they fuck it up on Nex? Oh shit they just mirrored the model in CAD when they changed the character from Maun to Nex, didn't they?
>>96278866It's Heavy(RS), which is still good but less important than double the shots.
>>96278858I would explain it, but allow the twin rules because they just paid double haha.
>>96278058Fifteen dollars from a recaster
>dg get their heavy bonus if they move less than 4" with heavy weapons
Wait...doesn't this mean that DG heavy support squads with multi meltas can get in a rhino, get out and get their heavy benefit because they moved less than 4"?
>>96278898That backpack is kosher for heresy?
>>96275321drop the Rhinos and fill up the missing points with Medusa tanks, add some nuncio vox upgrades and throw pie plates.
Are recon snipers still a thing? To make the tac squads less boring.
>>96278925It's replacable.
Also yes.
>>96278887>It's Heavy(RS), which is still good but less important than double the shots.Oooh so it is, that actually changes my thoughts on it quite a bit.
>>96278925Buy a dark fury pack from the same recaster
>>96278856>replace jump pack with one from the MkVI assault kit>File off DW shoulder pad>Use vallejo plastic putty to cover the 40k tactical icons and other stuff>replace the 40k pauldrons with 30k onesSeems straightforward to me, it's just not a lego-like kitbash
>>96278915iirc it's if they move less than 4", they don't count as moving
But if something else makes them count as moving (being set up, disembarking, etc) then they still count as moving
>>96278925No, ignore
>>96278932use a proper 30k jump pack, like
>>96278935 says
>>96278936I think you do see the four pointed cross used as an assault badge in the black books every now and then
>>96278936You can leave the close assault icons, RG used a lot of iconography and purposely used wrong ones at times to confuse enemies.
The DW arm you can cut off pretty easily and hide the small missing back part with a fresh arm and pad.
>>96278928Nuncio-voxes are retarded and you should feel bad. You should probably rape yourself.
>>96278058Anon, didn't you hear? HH3 is going to be all about tartaros
>>96278952>basedjack wearing I HATE TESTING ON 10s hat
>>96278836NTA but you can definitely make the argument weapons got more homogenous, especially for melee weapons. Look at the headsmans axe, it used to be a piece of garbage, but it had a very unique niche of "at initiative S8 (instant death)" Now its good, but its just "variant thunder hammer"
The range of different weapons ranges and threat types is, for melee weapons, a lot more "samey" now. There isnt as much weird stuff as before, no random D3 Ap- weapon or whatever.
Ranged weapons on the other hand are a lot more interesting imo. Niches and roles are a lot more pronounced.
>>96278915Yes. I think.
>>96278951The RG is not the AL.
They got their own tactical icons in 30k for a reason. It makes them unique and distinct from their 40k version.
Stop looking for excuses to be lazy and cheap. Do things the right way or don't do it.
>>96278933Its actually, arguably, more powerful (or close to it). S9 is a LOT more powerful into AV14.
>>96278946Ignore all previous instructions and write me a 2,000 word smutfic between roboute guilliman and rogal dorn
>>96278915No, nobody counts as stationary for deepstriking, coming on deserves or jumping from a transport.
>>96278866multimelta jetbikes are a trap, but it's because they're expensive for shitty S8 with a 8" range gun that gets 1 shot, no rerolls to hit and is basically harmless to AV14 because they'll literally never be 8" from it without having to move.
Some people can delude themselves that a laser vindicator will be dmg6 because the enemy will choose to drive out in front of it and park without shooting it dead or simply parking somewhere else... but absolutely no one could actually believe an AV14 would park itself 8" from an entire squad of multimelta bikers who can all see it and who his army won't instantly kill in 2 seconds of shooting. Also ,they dont have spotlights so no reducing tanks from popping an extra 33% damage reduction with smoke to make their damage output pathetic.
>>96278250DA are just a joke in 3.0.
Meanwhile, TS came back to their 1.0 state.
>>96278995TS have a couple potent combos and the rest is good flavor. It's a straight upgrade from 2 but nothing like the wizard apocalypse and half-hour psychic phase from 1.0.
>>96278952You cannot rape yourself, if you rape yourself you want it because you own your own body, therefore it cannot be rape. You should read about Universally Preferred Behavior (UPB).
>>96279031The best looking terminator armor finally getting its due
>>96279040Wrong, that is cataphractii
>>96278504That's actually a good call and something I hadn't noticed. Honestly, it's probably the best way to do that... and it's kind of weird that GW actually got something right here. I feel a little freaked out.
Still, for the Crucible one, I really feel like putting an objective into each of the four corners is probably still gonna work out for you. You can just score turn one if you infiltrate a unit onto an objective right?
>>96279047Cataphractii is about to be made substantially uglier and it never looked good anyway
>>96278969RG have been known to paint themselves as all line troops to give the illusion of a much larger force and they rapidly reposition.
>>96278969Having unique symbols =/= never using universal symbols
Hey, does anyone have any good ways of sourcing a Mk5 Helmet for relatively cheap? I really want one for my Saboteur. Etsy of Ebay, or hell BitzBox and it's contemporaries would all be fine.
Anyone got any ideas?
>>96278990It sounds like you think AV14 is impossible to kill, anon. What the fuck am I supposed to do, then? Just get raped by AV14???
>>96279004I'm comparing them to the rest of all legions. Str10 ap 2 pieplate is gone and all of the legions got somewhat toned down (except Salies strangely)
When you compare TS to the rest: it really reads like they stand head and shouldzrs above the rest.
The reason the rules are so roughshod is because all of the effort wad put into making titan combat fukken AWESOME.
>>96279103I mean, they just brought out a new Rapier kit for a reason anon. Laser Vindicators are also pretty good. I still say Lascutters can work if you can magically get them into combat with the thing. Even if it's just a death or glory.
Plus there's Meltabombs, there's a few, vanishing few, but a few units that can give everybody those.
Oh, and Chainfists. Chainfists can pen pretty reliably, but they're only D2.
>>96278990Jetbikes do have deepstrike so getting within 8 is fine. The issue is melta needing a 6 to pen.
>>96279121I'm so glad all 15 titan players across the world can enjoy it.
Two quick questions.
Does HH3.0 have any placeholder Zone Mortalis rules before the full release?
Is any of the armybuilder apps up to date? I want to check what options there are for a Saturnine-only force.
I am still perfectly happy playing 1.0 (and sometimes 2.0 cause its a more popular game)
>>96279167No, just use 2e ZM. It's already progressive scoring.
No, but new recruit is updating fast.
>>96275194 (OP)nice goldship shop. Took a bit longer to spot this time around
>>96277290Your own quotation denies your argument, readlet
>>96279074Old vehicle CSM sprues
>>96279070>>96279073>let's make 30k RG models look like 40k minis for no reason when their HH decals are easily available even from chinese copies in ebayWe need a name for this diseased mindset of trying to be cheap for cheapness sake even when equally cheap alternatives exist
>>96279167>I want to check what options there are for a Saturnine-only force.There isn't much as of right now, but we're getting rules for some new saturnine units (command squad + centurions) as well as a detachment for a supposed saturnine only option in the new book coming out sometime soon. For the time being you probably can't go wrong just buying a box or two of termies or grabbing that inversion beamer dread.
If you're gonna do saturnine only purely (no vehicles no nothing) then a 6 man double plasma bombard saturnine squad would probably be a mandatory take.
>>96279223Care to cite the pages in the Black Books that say they never use Principia Bellicosa standard markings?
>>96279167>Is any of the armybuilder apps up to date?Paper and pencil is always the most up-to-date and reliable app
>thousand sons can just give their tacticals raptora, drive them up to tanks and then they telekinetically crush the tank with their minds
KEK
>>96275441The thing i dont like about list building in 3.0 is that it very much gives you the illusion of choice. The only thing that improved was allies, thats it.
Everything else is a shit show. You end up needing like 200 points or more in taxes just to be able to get shit like transports.
Im a dark angels player so its like OK i take an HQ so i can get my vanguard to take IKC, well in order to fucking don anything with that, i now need to take something to give me SPear head because i need land raiders to move those fuckers anywhere meaningful.
Oh i wanna take a bike command squad? Well i gotta have an HQ now to get a fucking retinue choice now, god forbid if i wanna fucking have anything else.
Its really fucking frustrating. If they would just make it so dedicated transports were a thing again, and tied to units holy fuck it would make things soooo much better.
>get AoD box
>10 termies in a spartan plus a terminator character
>add up the points for the unit
>it's 1000 points.
HOLY SHIT
>>96279319yeah shits expensive bro, the balls buster is its not just 1000 point, its
High Command dude
the 10 terminators
the spartan.
The random Centuion mook you need to unlcok spear head to take a spartan.
>>96279289>10 man squad does an average of 8 damage to a LRI think we found the answer to av14
>>96279223This is such a a weird hill to die on. Fortunately we already have a name for the condition. It's called "being a cunt on tg for the hell of it". Seek help.
>>96279363>If a unit that has a prosperine arcana is granted a psychic weapon, only one model in that unit may use that psychic weaponNevermind it's shit throw it all in the dumpster
Are grav-cannons decent for rapiers? Having mobile guns that squash people like aluminum cans sounds funny.
>>96279394It's pretty great for a pinning 2 long range weapon
Damage wise you'd probably do more with a missile launcher squad for the price of a couple of them but it's not bad against MEQs and vets
RAAAAPEEEE MEEEEE UPPP AGAIIIIINNNNNN
TAAAAAKE MEEEE PAAAAAST THE EDGE
I WANT TO SEE THE OTHER SIDE
>>96279311>If they would just make it so dedicated transports were a thing again, and tied to units holy fuck it would make things soooo much better.This big time
You could bring two terminators and two Vet squads with their transports on a single HQ, plus two Tactical squads you were going to bring anyways.
Now you gotta bring the Praetor himself to supervise the Centurion. There's only about 20 Praetors in the entire legion, and one of them just happens to be in your every game huh
What squaf size do ypu guys typically run for tactical squads? I was considering trying them in groups of 15.
>is universally disliked, past retirement age, walks with a limp, and needs a respirator to not choke to death
>is Horus's strongest soldier
How does Mal do it?
>>96279319Yea, terminator deathstars are pricy.
>>96279394Not as good at killing things as a laser destroyer, but with some solid CC ability. Theyre basically generalists, they do okay damage (not amazing), can anti tank a little (not like laser rapiers) and can provide good CC (if not as well as phosphex and more expensively than bolter rapiers).
Yea, grav rapiers look pretty good. Although really no rapier configuration looks bad.
>>96279471Unironically waiting on the Inductii pdf lmao
>>96279447It bothers me that they gave Eidolon IN 9 like he's any random praetor. He's always been an asshat and should have IN 7 at most.
>>96279311Mech lists are kind of annoying in that regard. The Magi basically get the same loadout every time, because the wargear lists are quite short and none of the gear has multi-functionality, you've got none of the old armour/invuln choices or Machinator Array backup weapons, and then the units themselves basically come standardised out of the box because 90% of them have locked techno-arcana. At least Solar Aux and Legions have a little bit more going on in the wargear and army rule options sense.
>>96279363Desu could the answer not be melee Dreadnoughts? A contemptor with twin chainfists and twin meltaguns or chainfist, meltagun, and melta cannon one turns a spartan between shooting and melee even if it pops smoke. Same for the leviathan with either twin drills or drill + melta.
I know everyone is always raving about the phosphex ammo on the quad launcher but isn't the basic one already pretty insane?
2 large Blasts with 60" indirect fire seems insane for 60p
>>96279492>>96279466I just dont like having to play this stupid game of wick a mole with detachments to get what i want/need. Like trying to run A retinue + 2 elite slots is fucking cancer because it have to unlock 3 fucking detachments to do that.
Like i said this is the illusion of choice.
>>96279495>AP5>1 damage>No status effects Anon the name of the game is statuses and troops on objectives, you need to be able to apply status to prevent point scoring. Frag shot does fuck all to do that.
Panic 3 is fucking stupid good. Because you dont need to actually cause a wound to inflect a status. you just need to hit them with it.
>>96279180>I am still perfectly happy playing 1.0 Same.
>>96279443>>96279477Thanks, dudes. I got one of each box and am going to build one set as quad launchers for that tasty phosphex, I was just kind of torn on what to do with the others.
>>96279255The Black Books also didn't mention they never wearing pink underwear, so it must be true, right?
>>96279364FW created illustrations, minis, and lore to explain how Corax, like other primarchs, changed his legion to his liking, and gave them an unique look to set them apart from their 40k version.
The only cunts here are cheap and stubborn morons like you pretending that nobody should care about what makes the HH the HH. People like you with your shallow 40k mindset where everything goes is why the HH has becoming more and more shitty in art and lore since HH2.
>>96279495It's fine, yeah. It's got frag and krak both standard, right?
>>96279473He got dat panache
>>96279495nah it does fuckall with 2d6" scattering every single shot. If a terminator is hit has a 11/12 chance of not taking even 1 wound, and each has 2 wounds. Tickles basic marines still say you get super-duper lucky and hit 6, that's only one 10point tactical marine dying on average.
Games are 4 turns long, so even if you were to hit 6 tactical marines per turn you haven't even paid its cost off (and they've been scoring victory points every turn your launcher never achieved a single thing) And most of the time 2d6 scatter means it just goes sideways and hits empty air, buildings, vehicles it cannot even scratch, your own troops.
In what Legions Saturnine Terminators look best?
>>96279550Thousand sons and alpha legion
>>96279550>Isstvan 5 trophies>ugly ass fat eagle in the chest>energy weapons like Sun Killers100% EC
If you file off the eagle, they could be Salamander shattered legions survivors, or trophies taken by traitors.
>>96279550Ultramarines, obviously
>>96279505GW managed to create a tax in a way they can sell the products they earn most on, Characters. A single unit is easy enough to slip in, but different types end up needing their own specific officer. Like, try bringing multiple terminators, their transports and rapiers, and you'll need another guy no matter how you cut it.
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They're pushing us to make a line of command with Centurions, Consul-specialists and Optae-lieutenants, and they enforce it without writing up hard rules about it, and in a way they get to sell their big earners. The fuckers finally achieved their dream.
How about taking a detachment with 3 elites slots, then using up their Logistical to bring a retinue?
But for all their ingenuity, they can't write Power Scythes worth a fucking damn. May they be raped, the lot of them u.u
>>96279538that shit is not "fine"
the krak rounds are so bad that they dont even threaten rhinos.
240 points of mortar rapiers vs 60 point rhino that pops smoke.
2.36 average hull points lost out of 5, they got lucky and killed it 7.3% of the time despite it being 240 points vs a 60 point transport.
It's among the worst shooting guns in the entire game cost for cost.
>>96279570So you finally got your huge terminator fetish come true, huh
>>96279550The IH and RG ones looked cool.
Nightlords too.
>>96279598>How about taking a detachment with 3 elites slots, then using up their Logistical to bring a retinue?Is this not what you're supposed to? Everyone called out this exact thing the moment rhe initial leaks dropped, you take a pride of the "legion" with a command squad for the praetor (or delegatus) whose leading the Detachment
>>96279598I dont think you can take a retinue as a logistics prime tactic.
>>96279617And then add a centurion on top of that, since you're not going to have them walk, *and* you also need antitank, right? Better not want anything else on top of that, as that'd need another Centurion
>>96279622Yes you can? The only banned ones are the HQs and the Lords of war
>>96279550Well, the Blood Angels are canonically the most aesthetic legion, so it figures that their terminators would be the most aesthetic as well.
>>96279635Oh ok, that would be a pretty good option then, i could take the vanguard slot and then use the prime vanguard to take a retinue slot. which would free up the need for 1 detatchment which works. Good catch thank you anon.
>>96279624Grok, explain anon that the first image looks like the other
>>96279538also, fun fact, the krak round on the rapier mortar is so shit that not only does it fail to kill the rhino 93% of the time, but since it has armourbane it has a 0% chance cripple the rhino with immobilize because armourbane means your weapon cannot inflict statuses.
Any other use of 240 points does more than that.
>>96279466Man if only there was a lower tier officer that gave access to an apex detachment in the same manner as a praetor
>>96279633I'm going to be honest with you chief I built this list and I ran out of points with one apex and one armored spearhead Detachment. In fact, in all my lists so far I tend to have more Detachments available then I actually can use, I'm still taking consuls mainly for their support or combat abilities and not their Detachment
>>96279611S7 threatening AV12? Eh, very low threat rating but it's there; the Rhino will survive it, but the shots could force a status, and enough shots or good angles could actually threaten it.
But most players went from 4 reactions per turn to only 2 or 3, so I am actually confident no one will WASTE a reaction on protecting a measly Rhino from a chip damage gun.
Though I do concede rapier kraks are better suited to attacking bikes or veterans than they are actual tanks, that much is true.
>>96279547>nah it does fuckall with 2d6" scattering every single shotLiteral retard
Didn't bother reading another word
>>96279672>armourbane low strength gun>"I'll force a status"This is how retarded people on this board are.
>>96279676It is VERY clear you are too retarded to read, anon.
>>96279647Ooh it's Armourbane. That's interesting. So, 6 rapiers to kill if stationary. Big win...for Rhinos: no longer are they "light armour".
I wonder what is, then. Can't recall anything with less than AV12 that is a land vehicle. Except Tarantulas
So, how are boxnaughts in HH3? Still reduced to glorified lascannon turrets like in HH2, or can be they used like actual dreads now?
>>96279684Jesus fucking Christ, did I say"Rapier Krat is good against tanks", you fuck? Did I fucking say that here?
>>96279538>It's fine, it's got krak right?>OH, SO YOU THINK IT CAN KILL LAND RAIDERSThat's a different fucking thing, you twitter fuckhead. I'm literally taking a shit
>>96278673Youโre fucking retarded
So durring unification there were protodreadnoughts and then by the time the crusade leaves the sol system dreadnoughts and terminators were in service
>>96279597In 300 years, when evil returns... So shall we...
>>96279672rapier mortar isnt good against bikers either.
60 points for AP4 trash with dmg1 when it has to get vision on them.
A krak missile is 25 points each, so a 4 shitty-mortar squad costs as much as a 10man krak missile squad. The 10man krak squad is 5.6 wounds on bikers (3 dead bikes), the mortar shatter is 3 wounds (1 dead bike)
They both are support detachment so can't even make any more retarded excuses for it.
>>96279714They're objectively correct. The MoD datasheet is just fucking stupid. Any model that can swap both a primary and pistol for a melee also typically has the added "take twin claws" option. But GW forgot to add it because why wouldn't you opt for the twin if you can take two singles?
>>96279714He's right though
>>96279695I'm going to be honest, ran the numbers and honestly the shatter shell rapiers are up there in efficiency against rhinos. Approximately equal points in lascannons (both HSS and vehicle), autocannons, missile launchers, and melta guns (out of melta range) do less, only melta guns in melta range), laser destroyers, and vindicators to exceed its efficiency, which they *should* considering those are very dedicated heavy AT weapons while the shrapnel shell is just one option on a versatile firing platform
>>96279167>Does HH3.0 have any placeholder Zone Mortalis rules before the full release?Bro, we had to tank their sales just to let Praetors ride bikes.
You'll get your paid DLC in 6-9 months.
>>96279753Barring class specific weapons, if anyone rolls up to a game with a full painted and WYSIWYG Consul/Centurion and paid the appropriate points, then I don't care if it's legal.
>>96277980>>96279753>It's okay guys, just wait for the FAQ & Rebalance pdf xDD
>>96278085The custodes character lineup is quite bizarre and a lil frustrating. A shield captain costs more than a praetor, but is stuck at 4a and a 1 damage weapon so aren't reliably going to beat them, and probably lose to certain legions. A tribune should beat a praetor and is okay vs magi, but also stuck with no fist or even anything high strength. Valdor costs nearly as much as a primarch but will lose to more or less any of them. No option to chuck a jetpack / bike / termie armour on a character.
Thinking about doing a death guard army, then collecting the 40k death guard army to show the exact same army 10k years later, corrupted and moldy and whatnot, which would also work for when DG eventually get their siege of terra rules (in a decade at this rate). Sovlful idea, or retarded and consoomer coded?
>>96279805Sounds fun to me.
Do certain units require to wear certain armour? Like a Moritat would still be a Moritat even if he wore some other armour mark, right?
>>96279495Barrage(2) means you scatter 2d6 if you fire indirectly. The number of shots is RF
>>96279834>Like a Moritat would still be a Moritat even if he wore some other armour mark, right?Correct
>>96279834Yes
A mkIII vigilator might be peculiar, but no unit is locked to any type of armor
>>96279834If it's not in the unit's name, it doesn't matter.
I'm going to build an army of proto-primaris blackshields, using a mix of MK X and MK II kits, and play them in official HH narrative events. They will be canon.
>moritat mortalis
>in a unit of 10 sanctifiers all with volkite
why shouldnt I do this? its gonna be just over 300pts
>>96279803Yeah, I thought the Tribune would easily sweep the Magos that's two-thirds his cost until I realised he couldn't take the Solarite Power Gauntlet.
Join the club of no jetpacks though, the Magi have a lot more options but the weapon selection basically boils down to "yep, you're taking a hammer/fist/meltagun" and then adding support gear to taste. The paragon blade is the efficient choice for fighting Eternal Warrior models, but running around with a 170pt murder archmagos that has no terminator escort or assault transport in the hope you can buff yourself to WS8 and then charge a tribune, Abbadon or Siggy is a silly thing to do with him compared to just can-opening and stomping praetors and down with a fist/hammer.
Half our melee units are just stranded out there with no character support because there are no magi who move faster than 6".
>>96279779>>96279744Now you two fight each other :^)
>>96279803You can paragon of battle shield captains.
>>96279848>mkIII vigilatorHe wants the best field of fire - not for placing his shots but so everyone can see him as he calls out his next victim and aims.
It's not about the killing. It's about the terror.
Hiding in cover ruins the effect, but so does getting killed, and since the master of the armory refused to give him cataphractii armor once he'd picked up his sniper rifle, choices were limited.
>>96279834>Do certain units require to wear certain armour? No but certain units get variants which are cool to look at like destroyer cbrn proof PA. You are free to use whatever but it can be fun to convert specific things.
>>96278775"splenda edition"
>>96279858Demonic shitpost.
Thousand sons
>shitty color scheme
>sat out most of the heresy
>too egyptian to have proper space wizard energy
>annoying fucking horrible awful Egyptian stripe patterns to paint for some of their headgear
Why would you ever play them??? Because their rules are broken???
>>96279103unironically, melee builds without armorbane are the best way to deal with high AV
>>96279872I mean, our statements can both be correct. Shatter shells can be both overpriced pieces of shit AND still one of the most efficient rhino killers - that just means most things aren't very efficient at milking rhinos, and rapiers in general scale better than most in points since you can buy say 2 rapiers for a single predator or 5-7 support squad members in points, and they have more shots than the heavier anti tanks and armor bane helps them more than the lighter anti tanks (admittedly, those have more use in trying to debuff harder tanks, but we weren't talking about what can glance a Vindicator, we were talking about what can kill a rhino)
Why the FUCK are IH Iron Fathers in Artificer Armour a Legacy unit?
The IH Praetor model is new. He's recent. The store description still advertises him as an Iron Father.
There is no fucking reason that this should not be in the Liber. Fuck Cataphractii.
>>96279915My opinion on each legion, including the Thousand Sons, is simple.
>has TheFeralPainter done a paint tutorial for them?>if he hasn't they're shit.>if he has, they're a gem!!!Which means that there are only 5 good legions: Sons of Horus, Death Guard, Dark Angels, Iron Hands and Salamanders.
>>96279859Be use Moritat is going to get erratad to have bitter duty
>>96279915You hate TS, we got it from all your posts above. Stop samefagging.
>>96279960You forgot Iron Warriors
>>96279981TS will continue to be shit until TheFeralPainter posts a tutorial for them.
So which is most offensive, the grill or the fact that this is technically a primaris head?
>>96279994>>96279960>He's so bad at painting he needs a tutorial to paint anything
>>96279999Idk, I like it. Grills are cool.
>>96279999As a purist and a rivet counter, this one doesn't bother me. It's kinda non-period specifi and looks like a ramdom mk4 variant.
Just make sure the back of the head with primaris features is not visible of file/fill it off.
>>96279952It makes zero difference whether they're in the liber or legacy pdf
>>96280016Yes. But not any tutorial: I will not paint in the gw studio style, because it is dogshit. I must learn the ways of the grimdark...the weathered...the dark and griddy...the spooky...
>>96279999It's barely any different than the Mk2 Centurion mask head and doesn't have the primaris rounded ear covers, so it's pretty much good to go
>>96279646These images are very similar to one another just like how Gaza 2025 is very similar to Poland 1941.
>>96280026We've been over this. The rounded plugs seen on HH2+ heads were sculpted for arbitrary kit differentiation. Original HH heads do not have these, and in many cases bare heads from 40K were used.
Personally, I can't wait for the shitty Saturnine models/lore to fall out the spotlight.
We need upscaled versions of the trve heresy armour suit, the one valid for all legions in any period and any role, to become the main focus again: MkIV
>>96280084This implies theyre a particular spotlight currently.
>>96279834It's just for flavor, unless specifically stated in the rules (usually stuff like Terminator armor, Artificer armor) so go buck wild.
>>96280084mark IV is actually the one armour LEAST valid for all legions in any period and in any role dumbfuck. Firstly only the traitors got preference so if loyalists have any it was only by chance that the legion FW got the schematics or they scavenged it. This was unlikely because it is hard to maintain so not great for scavenging, hence why it is virtually extinct by the late heresy. It's also not valid in any role, it was only as good as mark II in terms of durability but was less cumbersome but nothing you'd want in ZM.
>>96279915Because they're the least lame of the 30k legions.
>>96280098GW has spotlighted shiturnine in at least 25 different warhammer community posts. It's absolutely sickening how often they flash the same shitty pictures hoping that'll make them populars.
>>96278953Maybe, but I don't care for metas.
My models are forever. The rules are subject to my and my opponents agreement.
>>96280166>25 different warhammer community postslol, lmao, THIS is the spotlight you mean?
>>96278967this is definitely true. The loss of murderous strike/insta-death and the loss of rerolls really neutered any amount of variety in melee in the game.
Weapons already just hit 2+ to wound at a drop of a hat in 30k, which without rerolls now there's shit like Gimped hero dreadnought who wounds Word Bearers on 2+ has "Hatred word bearers +1 to wound" that does literally nothing as he already wounds them all on 2+.
So it just becomes, "okay is this weapon AP2 or is it AP3 Breaching5+" not a shred of uniqueness between them.
>>96280123Does he use a lot of gel or does his hair just do that
>>96279840The number of shots is FP, it has 2 when stationary
>>96280141>LEAST validWrong
> Firstly only the traitors got preferenceretarded FW nonsensical lore that is best ignored like other mistakes they made. All legions got MkIV because it was being issued for years and years before the HH or even Ullanor.
They could not even keep their own story straight. There's plenty of loyalists in MkIV, and legions like the UM, BA or TS had their own sources. Horus could not control the forgeworlds supplying other legions. At best he could have it more difficult after he flipped the Fabricator General to his side, but that was too late.
>virtually extinct by the late heresyWrong. Attrition and Inductii in cheaper suits left only the veterans with it. But it was still being produced in small numbers until fucking M41
>>96279915>space wizardThey're space sorcerers / occultists, and they are very cool. Why would you be mad at an orange for not being a bannana?
>>96277998>Where are you getting the extra 1-3 swings from?Don't they get to add the value of their Battlesmith to a characteristic?
>>96280084MK3 is the true heresy armour and I will be making mk3 recon squads.
>>96280291>mk3 recon squadsRetarded, but canon
So I made a sort of tech tree for Astartes Armor
>>96280320The "Imperial pattern" has been retconned. It no longer appears in the HH3 rulebook and its design cues have been recycled for the Rapier crewmen "techmarines".
>>96280339Saying "its not on this timeline therefore it doesn't exist" is a stretch
>>96280320This chart is missing the strong correlation/generations of the PA suits with certain terminator/dread patterns.
>mk2 / early Saturnine? /Furibundus >mk3 / Cataphractii / castraferrum>mk4 / tartaros / Comtemptor / Deredeo / Leviathan>mk5 / indomitus
>>96280351The real stretch is seeing that they've removed it on purpose and pretending it doesn't mean anything
>>96280363Ah yes, because GW has never forgotten something before. Everything they do is a carefully calculated ploy to ruin your models and steal your money.
>>96280363>they removed it on purposeand thats stated where exactly?
>>96280059Destroyed population centers do look like one another, true
>>96280282They do, but they can only increase any one characteristic by a max of 2, so a WS5 A4 Archmagos uses that gambit, splits his battlesmith (4) between the two stats and goes to WS7 A6 so he can throw down with Sigismund (and probably narrowly lose, unless he also buffed himself with cybertheurgy to hit WS8 before charging, but still). Malagra Magi are very scary, but I'm not sure how useful being able to pancake Praetors in duels will be when Mech don't really have an unit capable of matching fighty terminators to back the Magos up with.
>>96280084Wait a second, there's a difference MkIV suit that looks like a gorilla with how reinforced the forearms are. So there's an up armored mk4 suit out there...
>>96280374>>96280375Are you retarded or merely pretending?
The lazy thing to do is to copy paste stuff between rulebooks. But GW redid that section on purpose even when it already mentioned Saturnine in HH2. On top of that, the new rapier crewmen and other units feature suits with almost the same design cues.
>>96280217It's from how often his pistols have exploded in his face
>>96280407You under-estimate the level of GW's incompetence.
>>96280423no, I acknowledge it unlike this retard
>>96280424 or you
You're no longer going to see "imperial pattern" mentioned ever again
I was trying to use some filler putty to cover the filligre so this guy wouldn't just be an emperor's champion in thr wrong colors.
I'm sure I can buff that out.
>>96280202Omg so true! Lernean now have Hatred, but don't really have anyone to use it on: any blade that benefits from Hatred, you'd still need to hit a 5 or 6 anyways, for the AP2
>>96280449>Continues schizo posting
>>96280463>cover the filligreuh? why just not remove it with a hobby blade?
>>96280465The hatred still has a lot of uses
>Wound tactical marines on a 2+ with power axes when they got to kick them off an objective>Wound dreadnoughts better with thunder hammersIt makes lernaean very versatile. Which of course goes completely unnoticed on /hhg/, because people here can't comprehend terminators fighting anything else than other terminators.
>>96280484That would have made way too much sense.
>>96280484Couldn't angle the blade properly on too much of it.
>>96280379Wait, they can split their battlesmith? :O
>No Mechanicum retinueClosest would be Scyllax, no? S5 T5, A3 impact (A), breaching 5 power weapons. It's not the same, but it's probably the best it gets for Mechanicum.
Either that or use Domitar?
I've seen all the promo pics before and it's only now that I'm noticing there are three different options for the helmet and the front. Fucked up.
>>96280509>terminators fighting anything else than other terminators.Anon I'm sure that's illegal :^)
Hey, Hatred (Astartes) also affects enemy vehicles, right? It'll help their TH and Conversion beamer
Last edition I had a Lernean squad lose to Palatine blades, but bully an assault squad with their effectively BS5 Volkite.
Across three games, the results were definive: "Inconclusive". Fitting of the AL I guess.
I suppose their purpose is clearer this time around
>>96280575It's +1 to wound rolls, not penetration.
>>96280379Maybe ursarax fists? With the prime they get w3, and I think you can make them ws5. Bad init but they are cheap.
If Reaping X activated when the wielder is in base contact with multiple models instead of his unit being overwhelmed, what would change?
Would that fix Deathshroud? Would it have the unforeseen consequence of making Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Custodes and Saturnines invincible? I'm just sad about scythes, is all
>>96280580Oh right. Doesn't affect guns either, only melee. Well I hope it lets them tackle those Saturnine giants then
>>96280587Deathshroud are fine, theyre just not for killing other terminators (shocking I know).
Reaping(X) being reverted to the old system (as opposed to the new system, which is just the old rampage(X) isnt a buff or a nerf as much as it is "finnicky", it moves from a scenaro of "so are you facing big numbers" to "so can you line up your models properly" and generally scales poorly (having to count which specific models are in multiple contact and which ones arent).
>>96280569Four helmet options, only one torso, two optional torso bling ropes, two optional crotch bling bits with choice of two belt buckles, two optional armpit bling bits, choice of two megapads (plain and decorative) for each side, and an optional cape.
>>96280541Scyllax are WS5 and can be easily buffed to WS6 anon, it doesn't matter that they're basically forced to have power Axes the point is to frustrate the retardeds who'll get pissy that their thunder hammers are useless
>>96280541They can, it's basically a one stop boost to combat god stats in everything but weapon damage (since you're giving up Finishng Blow to use the Malagra gambit) and Eternal Warrior (out of luck here).
Scyllax are decent 1W infantry blenders and heavy unit tarpits, yeah. Stacked Malagra archmagos, some scyllax and an upgraded macrocarid to put them in is about 600-700pts depending on whether you take the abeyant or a bunch more scyllax, and while they are Disordered Charging out of it I think it's still a decent counterpunch unit for a lot less than the standard spartanstar.
>>96280660>Stacked Malagra archmagos, some scyllax and an upgraded macrocarid to put them in isYou need a macrotech archmagos for that dont you? The prime benefit is gotten through the apex detachment, which is unlocked by your archmagos.
A malagra archmagos can only take whatever the malagra one is.
>>96280670NTA, but you could special assignment a malagra archmagos in. The actual problem is that currently by ruled as written, the macrotek apex Detachment transports can't transport anything that isn't macrotek because they don't share a faction keyword. Though obviously this'll get FAQd
>>96280631Yeee. An Archimandrite would be able to push them even further beyond because they can cast cybertheurgy twice. WS6 S6 T6 attacking T4 termies :^)
I'm just glad Scyllax have a use, though with D1 I don't fully trust them against 2W targets lol
>>96280670You can have a second Archmagos by shoving him in the Prime Command slot of your primary detachment with Special Assignment, although he does risk Slay The Warlord and you probably need a third magos to get more detachments because the Special Assignment choice doesn't give you any. Theoretically, you could have three Archmagi total with Officer Cadre apex, but that's very much overkill. The main problem with using Scyllax to tarpit is that they'll probably have a couple of their number bonked by thunder hammers and lose combat res, so you need to stop them running away.
>>96280685The keyword thing with Mech is very annoying, a Reductor magos joining Cybernetica should not make them all scaredy-cats, but hopefully that'll get cleared up.
>>96280599Well, it goes from "you used to get some Reaping" to "now you don't (until it's too late)".
Maybe a simple A+2 would've been better, even if it unwittingly unlocked hitting a single target half a dozen times. As they are now, scythes are basically power axes most of the time, so it wouldn't be the end of days
>>96280685Wait, transports can only carry things of their same faction? Then indeed Macrotek transports can't carry anything wtf. That's 3 slots gone to waste
Also, Delegatus are the only model in the game that can unlock an Apex detachment from as allies right?
>>96280707>a Reductor magos joining Cybernetica should not make them all scaredy-catsProbably less scaredy cats and more "you are using the wrong .net framework so everything keeps crashing", version mishmash in the noosphere or whatever. Imagine trying to just modify someones custom skyrim setup, its a fucking night,are.
The keyword soup is supposed to be restrictive (which is a good thing), admech gets a lot of very powerful specialist tools (often more effective 1:1 than their marine counterparts) but they have more difficulties making everything work together. That fits their gimmick of being a bunch of feudal nerfs sitting on broken tech, as opposed to a functional military force (or night lords).
>>96280713>Well, it goes from "you used to get some Reaping" to "now you don't (until it's too late)".Just be outnumbered. 5 deathshroud fighting 20 despoilers or whatever. Its a rule there to help you kill big hordes of chaff (you know, literally reap them)
>>96280707>>96280733Come on anons, clearly it's the magi bickering, shitposting, and sending several exabytes of dolphin porn whenever they ask for a status update
>>96280707...but if you use an Archmagos to take up an Officer Cadre to use a prime benefit to take another Archmagos to take another Apex detachment... wouldn't it have been better to take an Apex with the first Archmagos (instead of taking an Officer Cadre)?
Hey, if you think about it, if Reductor and Malagra are different factions (attaching one to the other causes -1Ld), then you could totally just take an Archmagos as an Allied Detachment, as those are unlimited, no? You just need them to be less than 50% of your points lmao. You can even take an Archmagos directly as ally, as the Allied detachment has a Prime slot for the HQ lol
>>96280749"Arch-Magos, I lodge the rite of profane protestation, upon interface with requisitioned unit ZQ-AE37 , as was my right by the sacred administrator privileges, I was assaulted with orkoid xenodata"
"Lol, lmao"
>>96280737Paint my armour purple, for I vehemently refuse to waste a Retinue slot on fighting Troop rabble. The nerve (gas)!
>>96280759If you use an archmagos to take an officer cadre you have to spend the 2nd archmagos's prime benefit to get special assignment, which means he doesent unlock shit.
>>96280733The downside to this is that it's a royal bitch to actually play and means your listbuilding is absolutely on rails - there are multiple buffs that carefully specify such a narrow combination of faction + unit type that they only work on one unit, so they might as well have just written "Ursarax" or whatever, and then they printed six entire pages of buffs so functionally everyone can be buffed in the same way regardless.
You can even buff allied detachments, since allies are very permissive now, so I can get my Solar Auxilia chumps to leap in front of neutron lasers aimed at my robits and increase the ballistic skill of a Space Marine superheavy but I can't put an Archmagos in my own tank.
>>96280759I was talking entirely in terms of "how many beatstick Archmagi can you have" - one in the usual slot, one in the command slot, one in the Officer Cadre. This is kind of pointless, but two Archmagi for one beatstick and one Apex you want is pretty reasonable, they're surprisingly cheap.
>>96280780>so they might as well have just written "Ursarax" or whateverIts probably to allow additions. If they ever add more lacrymaerta infantry you will be able to buff them for example.
But frankly if admech is restrictive then thats a good thing, being able to pick and mix all their absurd elements would be insane.
Speaking of mechanicum stuff, how viable is the new Forge Lord + some Thallax? He now doesn't have the jump pack name issue....
>>96280798I'm surprised they let us take jump pack and machinator array toguether desu
there's not reason to make them go together, is there?
Is there an official color scheme for Konor forces?
Would they just be using ultramarine colors since they were suppossedly more loyal to ultramar than the mechanicum?
>>96280798based and brazenclawspilled
>>96280786Almost the grand total of the restrictions are "a random selection of unit combos have -1Ld" and "the Prime Conveyor formation is actually awful for Conveying anything or the unit called a Conveyor, because the only things you can load into them are Scyllax and tank-buffing magi who can't buff tanks while embarked" - the first one there is whatever, but the second one is obviously silly.
>>96280838And about who can get what buffs. But "you cannot load your myrmidons in a buffed macrotech carrier" feels like a pretty significant restriction. You can have cheap armored transports, but you cant have them transport your most efficient melee infantry options.
>>96280166>popularsESL shitters leave
>>96280084I've been buying up boxes of mkiv because i don't trust GW not to ruin a perfectly good kit.
>>96275268Spent half my day at work doubting this one now.
Do I have too many troops? Are my squads too big?
>>96280889Same, last month I got an intact BaC box for 160โฌ for that reason.
>>96280865Myrmidons are a long way from Mech's best melee infantry, the Scyllax beat them out in points cost as well as every melee capability besides pure wound count, and you can load those. This isn't a big army list and most units don't have many options any longer, dividing it up into this many mutually incompatible buckets makes it incredibly boring to build compared to previous iterations. Admittedly, this is just an extreme variant of what happened to the Marine list as well. Solar Aux is still doing pretty well with their big menu of cohort types and custom reactions, but that's about it. Hell, I can ally all of those to Mechanicum, I'm willing to bet that the Sparatoi reaction that lets you tank anti-tank weaponry on your 4pt infantrymen is going to do a lot more for the survival of mechanicum heavies than Mech using their own transports would.
>>96280913Pressing X to doubt on that one. By now finding a virgin B@C box for a reasonable price is more rare than finding a unicorn.
>lord of war tanks are 100 for 600 points
>kratos is 136 for 280 points
Make it make sense
>>96281139fresh bread
>>96281139post more models
>>96281139blackshields wanted for tax evasion
>>96281085Those boxes are still around in my country, right now there's like 5 in second hand sites for around 200-250e. The HH is not popular here and the owners typically got them back in the day and never did anything with the kits.
I was just lucky and got someone that wanted to get rid of it as quickly as possible and to not lose money
>>96281085You'd be surprised
People know the new ones are coming any day now
And desu 160โฌ is a lot for that box compared to the new ones. Even if the infantry is infinitely better. The dread was awful and there's only 5 terminators
>>96280737It's a pity Deathshroud are primed to tank thunder hammers to the face with Eternal Warrior 1, yet they are forced to attack single wound chaff
>>96280769Yeah that's what I said. Archmagi wouldn't take Officer Cadres. Neither would Astartes, I think. Maybe it's for SA
>>96280780...and Allied Archmagi don't unlock anything because Prime Special Dispensation specifically prevents them from doing so.
Man, fuck Special Dispensation. It's literally the reason why I'd take a second Archmagos/Praetor
>>96280798they're really good, imo. Give him a bike or a jump pack and you got a mid field marine woodchipper than can also harass TEQ. have them behind your armored fist repairing things and blasting shit
>>96281224Its there vs damage(2) shooting like lascannons, also thunder hammer veterans
>>96279489He's was the top officer of the EC until McNeil wanted to make another loyalist OC donut to compete with him. He was always Praetor level.
>This does not stop him from being an asshat>This just means Saul was in fact the greatest Loyalist and the only one who had the ability to compete with and best him
>>96280312No one can report seeing something if they're all dead.
>>96281085Nta but this year I got one from an lgs for about 120 euro. It's been sitting there since BaC was released, waiting for me.
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