Thread 96285235

Rakdos Goblin Edition

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>Previously
>>96265709

>TQ
How do you feel about current creature design?

>TQ
i wish value would come in another form that just "draw card"

>>96285251
It's going to start coming in the form of "Put X cards into your hand" because Super Bowmasters will make drawing cards impossible.

>>96285235 (OP)
>TQ:
Current creature design is so fucking boring.
>duhh draw a card when enter
>duhh when enter or attack duhh vomit tokens and draw a card and make a clue and
>(Legendary Creature) duhh when X happens duhh draw card
Power creep went in such a terrible direction for this game. There is no point in trying to find synergies or most combos when I can just cast my Baneslayer Angel + Mulldrifter every turn and if my opponent stumbles once they die because I drew 6 cards and made 5 tokens on the turn they fumbled and they can never recover from that value.

>TQ
I tried not to think much about Magic these days.

>>96285235 (OP)
This is the kind of creature design we have nowadays. They are pushing this shit so hard is unreal meanwhile Control and Combo decks keep decreasing more and more and becoming unplayable because when one of those decks become viable faggots cry.

I don’t expect WotC to fix this shit because they are completely useless designers but the actual status of the game with literally a format dominated in 80% by Aggro is infuriating

>>96285235 (OP)
I love the design of creatures being fucking unkillable while also threatening to end the game on their own.
>Cut Down Mighty Mouse
>Oops it pumped itself now it's above the removal threshold
>Fatal Push Guide of Souls
>He still has all his energy counters
>Spend THREE FUCKING MANA to kill Vivi
>Hehe Cauldron now every creature is Vivi because you didn't exile it fucking retard don't you love Standard cards being designed around Swords to Plowshares and 120 life?
Game is actually in a worse state than YGO with this 1-deck meta.

>>96285235 (OP)
It's disgusting and FIRE philosophy should be replaced with FIREMARO.
With very few notable exceptions, early MTG was balanced around pretty functional trifecta - Spells and Instants providing immediate effects, Artifacts and Enchantments providing long-term value and Creatures being the beatsticks and main win condition. It was not perfect and there was a lot of overlap between these elements, but in most cases it was a solid design philosophy.
Nowadays it's all went to shitter and biggest culprit are creatures that do all the mentioned things at once. Between that and color pie being treated like a joke, modern MtG is just a soulless slop.

>>96285235 (OP)
More than Creature design i would rather talk about interaction design… What are JOTC waiting to reprint FP, Swords to Plowshares, Dismember, Mental Misstep, Gitaxian Probe and Bolt across all formats? We are getting Modern level threats without Modern level answers, retards.

>>96285323
>balanced around the functional trifecta
People always underestimate how important stuff being stapled onto creatures is for this reason. A cantrip is good, but a cantrip that has good stats and can beat you to death as a win-condition is insane.

>>96285340
Modern? My brother these cards are designed for Legacy removal.

>>96285235 (OP)
i think this resumes perfectly the current mistakes with creature design and dogshit balance. we are talking about an standard that just got a lot of bans and a rotation, and remains completely broken.

>>96285304
I would not even mind if a card had all of these abilities. But 1R is way too cheap for this much text that alters the state of the game. I don't care that it (potentially) dies to 1 damage and basically all forms of hard removal. It just does way too much for too little.

>>96284230
Damn, he's just letting it hang out huh?

I just had a 20 minute argument over table top sim. My friend was saying that exile and sacrifice are the same thing because it was relevant to one of his cards. I called him a retard and said they were different interactions entirely and just because they have similarities doesnt mean they would trigger in game. I know I am right but tell me anyway. Was I wrong?

>>96285365
>Ban 2 cards out of 5000 busted aggro tools
>Ban a lynchpin removal spell, the best combo enabler, and the only control engine to go with it
>Oh and for good measure also rotate the best wipe
>WTF why does an aggro deck have more presence than fucking YGO Dragon Rulers?

>>96285388
"Sacrifice" is when you make a creature you control leave the battlefield.
Exile also makes a creature leave the battlefield.

They are the same. Simple as.

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96285405
Yea but if a cards activated ability is reliant on a creature being sacrificed, then It would in turn, not be activated if a creature was exiled instead right?

>>96285430
No. Sacrifice and Exile are the same, so they trigger the same things.

>>96285235 (OP)
>tq
If blue players weren't such fags creatures wouldn't need to be so strong

>>96285440
You are lying to me.

>>96285388
Sacrifices is a Keyword Action that moves a permanent you control into the graveyard..
Exile is a Keyword Action that puts something into exiles.

>>96285365
Isn’t this like… Embarassing for a professional event?

>>96285388
They're not the same thing, by definition. Sacrifice is a keyword action that tells you to put a thing into your graveyard, and exile is a keyword action that tells you to remove the thing from play.

Distinctly though, these things don't care if something modifies what happens to the card after you start doing the action, just that you did the action when the rules told you to. If an effect says "sacrifice a creature," and then something else says "creatures that would go to the graveyard are exiled instead," then the creature was still sacrificed.

just kill standard already
make commander the sole format
free me from this dogshit game

When the FUCK did Wizards print a new storm card in Standard?

>>96285517
tarkir: dragonstorm

>feel bored and went to lgs
>commander day
>one table had 5
>suggest to do pentagram to avoid being a drag
>noone knew what i was talking about
Real magic is dead

>>96285541
>go to commander night (i.e. dnd for retards who can't roleplay)
>"wtf where's the real mtg??"
what did he mean by this?

>>96285537
>you see, tarkir dragons are born from storms
> and storm in the set name
>so obviously we need a storm keyword card
>haha STORM haha
I can not adequately describe how much I hate these people.

>>96285385
>agents slip in and out

>>96285499
The situation was that I was exiling my creatures and he had a creature that had the triggered ability (whenever a player sacrifices a creature, this creature can deal 1 damage to any target) We disagreed on whether me exiling counted as sacrificing

I, for one, am looking forward to the upcoming romantasy set that will pander to the fujo audience (me) by giving Gay Bolas an entire set of focus.
The fact it's going to be followed by a KPop set killing the game for good is just icing.

>>96285517
Last year.

>>96285592
This slots very well in my Commander deck, but thankfully because Commander is a clown format I can just choose not to run it because I hate Planeswalker cards.

>>96285371
It quite literally doesn't alter the state of the game in any way, though.

> TQ
I like where creatures are on limited, it used to be the case you could almost always ignore one drops and I think what we have now is more interesting. Commons are much more complex than they used to be and I think I enjoy that more, I'm not sure how I would feel if I was a new player.

For constructed I don't know man, aggressive creatures are brutal these days. I enjoyed soldiers and getting extra lords with mockingbird. I don't like my only play being playing a creature on 2 and dying on my opponent's turn 3 or at least drawing dead. There are ETB creatures but those are sorceries that make a card and it feels it makes the games lazy. I get some issues people have with Vivi but I like its design, it's a backloaded card, what I mean is that its power grows the longer it stays around and I think those designs are cool and hard to make. The issue with that deck is that Cauldron just makes every creature a clone of it and that makes it basically unkillable unless you have some very specific removal in a very small window and that brings a lot of issues. No idea about older formats because I don't play them.

>>96285571
Youre correct. A sacrificed creature is dead and on its way to the graveyard. An exiled creature is moved to the exiled zone. There could be a replacement effect, i.e. when this creature dies exile it instead. But using Sword to Plowshares doesnt trigger, "whenever you sacrifice a creature" clause.

>>96285571
Sacrifice is a specific keyword action, and so is Exile (though Exile also refers to the game zone where things are removed from the game. If you aren't told to sacrifice something by the rules text, it wasn't sacrificed, no matter where it's going. Creatures dying is not sacrificing them either, though sacrificing creatures causes them to die (because sacrificing is an action and dies is a descriptor).

If I'm reading your somewhat vague description correctly, you had an effect that reads like:
>Exile target creature.
and he thought that because it was leaving the battlefield, that it should count as sacrificing it. But that's not accurate.

>>96285607
Not the literal board state, but the actual way the game rules generally work. Both in terms of whether damage can be prevented, and whether spells and abilities can be countered.

How would you save this game? Can you think of some way to stop the current spiral of self-degradation Magic has entered into?

>>96285614
>But using Sword to Plowshares doesnt trigger, "whenever you sacrifice a creature" clause.
Yes it does.

On what level of flourishin are we right now?

>>96285622
UB no longer in standard
new, serious, committee run format for tournaments

>>96285622
Nah, when a card game goes into creep this hard, there's no turning back. It's hosed.

Yu-gi-oh! experimented with salvaging itself by creating alternate formats and game lines that could have been a successful reeling in of the problems. But they couldn't be assed to curate them properly, so they mostly just became hosts to those same problems.

>>96285622
Yes. I would make every set about gay dragon sex.
>Justify it as progressive to existing WotC employees
>Force them into fantasy aesthetic with dragons
>Gay Bolas is now the narrative centerpiece, pushing Chandra, Nissa, Kaito, Kaya, etc. out of the story

>>96285388
> During the course of a game, a dispute that you cannot solve by referencing the rules may occur. If both players agree, you can resolve the difference for the current game with a coin toss. After the duel, you can come to a decision about how you want to play such a situation in the future. If the players don't agree to a coin toss, both players retrieve their ante and the duel is a draw.

This is how you should have solved it, shame on you.

>>96285552
>nooo you cannot go find human interaction you need to be bitter and resentful like me

>>96285650
What is pentagram? Also I've never played paper.

>>96285622
The horrible truth is that UB is what's "saving" the game. By changing the target audience from Magic fans to pop culture merchandise consooomers, Hasbro has guaranteed Magic at least another 20 years of life, as well as at least 5 years of accelerated sales.

We are in a time of major economic upheaval, which is intended to culminate in no less than the destruction of the middle class. By shifting to a broader base of appeal and catering to whales first, Hasbro is making sure that they can sell to whoever emerges as the new Elite.
We (anyone who earns a wage) will be eating the bugs while the new class of super-rich rent extractors open $5000 collector boxes on stream.

>>96285647
Sounds to me like they're a couple of newbies. You shouldn't shame the scrubs when you're teaching them how to be good players, even if they do need correcting.

>>96285622
>UB canceled no more Fortnite shit in any format outside Cummander.
>Compromise in design, less focus on creatures, alt wincons like Land Destruction supported, help Green become playable.
>Bans. Bans until the power level is acceptable and the different archetypes could be played without embarrass one self.
>FIRE and i mean FUCKING OUT of card industry Nosewater, COCKS and every current designer.
>Stop neglecting older formats like Modern/Pioneer
Done.

>want to build a standard deck in arena
>have to spend 8 wildcards crafting 8 shitty rares that are worthless in every format
i remember now why i dropped standard in paper

>>96285662
>We (anyone who earns a wage)
It's the weekend, you didn't need to remind me that I'm a filthy wagecuck.

>>96285662
> We are in a time of major economic upheaval, which is intended to culminate in no less than the destruction of the middle class. By shifting to a broader base of appeal and catering to whales first, Hasbro is making sure that they can sell to whoever emerges as the new Elite.
We (anyone who earns a wage) will be eating the bugs while the new class of super-rich rent extractors open $5000 collector boxes on stream.
I don’t come here to read grimdark, anon, come on…

>>96285680
If it makes you feel any better, salaryfags aren't going to escape either.
In the new world, formerly "elite" professionals and floor sweeping wagies will be in roughly the same boat.

>>96285687
If its any consolation
That will happen from generation beta onwards
We are the last gen to enjoy a degree of freedom on our lives

>>96285687
Sorry, bruh, ze polycrisis demands we reduce you all to desperate peasants. To save the planet, don't you know.
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>>96285588
I'm pretty sure that's Lorwyn: Eclipsed. Last year when we were discussing that MTG only returns to planes based on current popularity of something an anon said fairy romances were popular during that time.

>>96285658
Isn't where each player has 2 opponents.

>>96285588
>>96285715
Well we already got dragonfucker Kaalia, and Baldur's Gate got away with the bear scene.
At this point a monsterfucking plane feels inevitable. The only question is will it be new, or just another bastardization of Innistrad?

>>96285658
5 players
Guys to your right and left are your "allies"
The other points of the star are your opponents
You win by killing your two opponents
Its fun and fast since you got a clear objective
And sometimes you win by being a "ghost " because your opponents died while you were down
There are several variants but thats the core

Just had a game where my opponent and I just cast marang river regent every turn for 5 turns in a row bouncing each others regents
just a race to draw lands out of the stalemate

What stats could this card have in 2026? Seriously, is it possible to make an aggressive white one drop that's only stats exciting 20 years later?

>>96285748
white mana = white people in real life
It's racist if we make good wh*te cards, sorry. We at WotC stand against bigoted huwh*te supremacy.

>>96285761
Oh shit

>>96285748
Seems playable the only difference I could see is reducing the additional cost to 1.

>muh tifa
>muh hydra
>muh landfall
With Archdruid and Craterhoof legal in Pioneer, has nobody tried oldschool Elfball Hoofball?

>>96285748
Depends on what their plans would be for the tribe, but definitely not bigger than a 3/2.
>As an additional cost to cast this spell, reveal a [creature type] card from your hand
It really bothers me that they never leaned more into the tribal/kindred/whatever cards more. They've said they didn't like using it because they thought it was too arbitrary and/or too restrictive to card design, but they could easily just attach it to a specific tribe or clan (e.g., Mogg Trickery). It's not like they even reprint most of their cards anyway, and they're clearly perfectly fine with putting any sort of stupid subtypes on cards today, just look at how many fucking nontoken clues they've printed between Wilds of Eldraine and Duskmourn.

>>96285647
>opponent at 3 life
>"lightning bolt you, 3 damage"
>"nuh uh, i disagree, lightning bolt does no damage"
>flip coin to resolve dispute
>lose

>>96285911
What's more important winning or your friendship? Shake his hand and say good game.

>>96285878
> +1/+0 if you control another kithkin
I can see that actually.
About your other point, I expect some of that, it's part of the set in a way. I liked the lands Lorwyn had, maybe the checkland soldiers got is a sign of things to come. I know they didn't like the tribal subtype and that's probably gone for good, Tarmogoyf cared about it, but it's true that the word goblin on tarfire looks strange, why is shock a goblin, what's going on with nameless inversion that makes it a knight and an elf? Some cards that can tutor them but I don't like tribal noncreatures being a thing, or at the very least nonpermanents.

>>96285842
without heritage druid/nettle sentinel pioneer elfball is just a worse version of mono green devotion since your mana just gets removed and there isn't much you can do about it
the best I've seen elves perform is when they're using coco or tyvar to get around interaction

I still need an explanation as to why the fuck they STILL haven't banned Cutter in Pioneer.

>>96285626
>On what level of flourishin are we right now?
I'm thinking FLOURISHING.

>>96286127
pioneer?

>>96286150
>xD Let's make a format.... then abandon it!
ah, Wizards...

>>96286127
we are way past cutter at this point, it's not even in the top 20 most played cards in the format
also, don't expect any bans until pioneer horizons drops in the next 2~3 years

>>96285748
Kithkin Militia W
When ~ enters, you may reveal any number of kithkin cards from your hand. Create that many 0/1 kithkin creature tokens.
0/1

>>96286166
>we are way past cutter at this point, it's not even in the top 20 most played cards in the format
I don't care about how played a card is.
I care about how fucking shit it is to see in a game, and how much it ruins the format by existing in it.

>>96286152
why not. they already got the money out of people with that. there is no directly to format horizons set either to milk with

A fun, but ultimately fruitless kitchen table experiment to make ANY use of Anticausal Vestige in any form at all.
Inspired by the anons that kept insisting that it is a good card.

Deck can deliver 10+ trample damage on T2 quite reliably, or even on T1 with a couple of opening hand combinations
>colossus, 2 dark rituals, 2 entombs, swamp, (any)
or
>colossus, imp/oona's, 2 dark rituals, dragon breath, dragon fangs
But ultimately it's just too slow.
You get to deliver a solid hit but then the opponent's T2 comes around, their combo goes off and you are already dead.
And notice how Anticausal Vestige isn't even the driving force in this, his own deck, as an opener you always want to have a Colossus instead. Vestige becomes useful when the cooler guy (Bygone Colossus) isn't available, or in the rare case when the game drags on(once you have 2 or more swamps) and he can deliver his smaller blows in peace while also setting up some card draw for the next turn(so you can find a Colossus instead).

All in all, some fun, a lot of jank and I'm still not seeing it.

Thank you for reading my blog.

>>96286174
>I don't care about how played a card is.
but that's what wotc cares about, I'm not advocating cutter is good design, I'm saying they're not gonna ban a card that's not even that popular

>>96286199
>I'm saying they're not gonna ban a card that's not even that popular
Yes, fine, whatever.
This is what we call BAD DESIGN.

Can someone explain the colorless here, is it a comics thing?

>>96286293
I think it's mostly because he's turning invisible, AKA losing colour. Just a 'thing' Miles can do because they had to vary his powers up from Peter I guess (I dunno what's uniquely Peter's these days, I THINK he's got the best Spider-Sense or something?)

>>96286293
Miles can turn invisible

Suplex should have been an instant that deals 4 damage and also hit planeswalkers.

>>96286331
>>96286337
Oh OK. I think in magic terms that probably should mean unblockable but I understand that changes the card a lot. Still, reads like someone forgot something lol.

>>96285304
>Control and Combo decks keep decreasing more and more and becoming unplayable
But that's a good thing.

I kinda fell off following magic for a bit after FIN prerelease, why is this bird $32?

>>96285304
>>96286462
C*ntrol and C*mbo are fascist-coded playstyles and we must #resist by any means necessary!
Spider Punk says PUNCH FASCISTS!

>>96286496
card advantage and landfall triggers

>>96286496
Standard: Displaying 1 - 32 of 228 in total.
Pioneer: Displaying 1 - 9 of 9 in total.
Modern: Displaying 1 - 17 of 17 in total.
Legacy: Displaying 1 - 24 of 24 in total.
Vintage: Displaying 1 - 2 of 2 in total.
EDH: Displaying 1 - 32 of 361 in total.

>>96286512
Shoulda been more specific, which format? I can't imagine it being that high off of Commander only

>>96286514
>Standard
That explains it, thanks
What site are you pulling that from?

>>96286396
I mean with the flavour word of "Camouflage" it's not hard to figure out the point.

>>96286528
goldfish

>>96286127
And Fable and Rage and Annex and Manifold and Beans and Nemesis and Yorion and Treasure Cruise
Pioneer needs more than seven bans and maybe two or three unbans but these absolute retarded faggots are unable to work in the game the way they should

YOU GUYS READY FOR MORE POWERCREEP ON RED CARDS?

>Jund control in standard
I'm honestly having a lot of trouble understanding how a deck like this does well. Is it just because Urgent Necropsy can pick apart Vivi, Cauldron and the creatures with +1/+1 counters with enough precision to efficiently kill it?

>>96287201
Yeah, necropsy does seem like a slam dunk against vivi cauldron. You pretty much get a 2 for 1 every time with cauldron and a creature, potentially 3 for 1 if they have FOMO or proft's out. But also it's probably just luck, sometimes random shit does well by chance.

>>96286337
Ah yes, like spiders can

>>96287013
It's pretty demonstrably true, honestly. Red just doesn't have a way to answer a lot of EDH mainstays and the aggressive cards it's good at are all inerently weaker by the political aspect of the game and the higher life totals.

>>96287389
And Standard will pay the price.

Just set the enemy health to 10 before you burn em. Duh.

>>96287013
Good Red EDH cards are the opposite of good Red 60 card cards.
EDH players are mainly noticing that without access to Red's combo engines like underworld breech and jeska's will, Red doesn't really do much at all. Better one drops or burn spells won't fix this problem, and printing more combo style cards will just end up with those cards getting put on the game changer list

ATLA will save MTG.

>>96287421
Based Hidetsugu enjoyer.

>>96287471
Statements like these are worthless. Empty garbage thoughts. Especially because when people say that something will "save" or "fix" the game, they don't say what they mean by that. Will it save the game financially? Will it fix the design problems? Will it make the player base somehow become healthy in size again?

>>96287471
And K-Pop will end killing it

>>96287471
And K-Pop will end killing it
Now seriously every UB trash is worst than the other. UB is a complete mistake

>>96287355
Same way spiders have precognition, yeah.

>Craterhoof for white
color identity? i never heard of her!

>>96287674
Haven't seen any play.

>>96287629
taking the idea that Peter just had enhanced senses that allowed him to better react to things and turning into full blown future sight was pretty retarded, yes

>>96287355
I haven't seen black spiders camouflaged but maybe it's because I don't live in a polluted country like Brazil.

>>96286293
>>96286337
I remember one of the earlier talks about MTG design, by Richard Garfield.
He discussed good ability formatting. One of the things he stressed the most, is that nothing should ever be included in an ability just for the sake of flavor. Each card should be as elegant as possible. Its flavor should be clear in what the card does, and you should never add random flavor chaff to a card, because it makes the card harder to parse.

Just off memory, I remember he said something akin to "Doing this is one of the clearest trademarks of a bad designer."

>>96287717
>Invisible and camouflaged are the same thing
never fucking (You) me again retard

Why are there so few cards that require more than 2 or 3 same-colored pips? Have the guys at Wizards ever experimented with this before? Do they hate mono-colored decks? Gigantosaurus is a perfect example. Peak Timmy card

just finished a quick legacy league with oops, none of my opponents were ready for the sideboard pivot, could've easily been a 5-0 with better luck against the reanimator opponent, he topdecked his way out of the last game multiple times, it could've gone either way

this deck has to get banned at some point, it's so cancer lmao

>>96288034
It's harder to make effects worthy of the cost. They have to be at rare or above so they don't ruin draft. They don't hate mono color decks rather they design cards to fit in two color decks. Richard Garfield came up with colors as a way to make sure people didn't just play the best cards. Each color came with a strength and weakness so you had to play another color to cover the weakness.

>>96288034
>Do they hate mono-colored decks?
Basically yes, but it used to be for a good reason. When color had mechanical meaning, an environment favoring mono decks can too easily become "which color got the most busted cards this time?" The whole point of color was to soft-limit how many of the strongest effects a given deck could access, without actually putting anyone on rails.

Now that all design revolves around Coomander and all colors can do basically everything, I'm not really sure.

I like how some colors just don't have any tools to deal with problems. It's really great design.

>>96288205
which one is that

>>96288205
Go back to /edhg/

>>96288340
>one

>>96288205
Every color should theoretically have some blind spots, or at least problems they're bad at dealing with. That does create some semblance of things being balanced, and creates variance between what different decks do. It is true though, that in practice, some colors are just over all worse at dealing with problems than others.

I know this is good card but I've seen people saying it's a 1 cmc card that draws 2 on ETB, I dont get how that is happening.
Is it by using artists talent?

>>96285251
Value is “resources you have access to” there are only 2 ways to generate “value”: Putting cards into an area you can cast them from or putting permanents onto the battlefield. The secret 3rd way is interacting with a wincon, such as mill or direct damage but those can never be made too strong since the help you win too directly.

>>96288431
>I dont get how that is happening.
It actually tutors two cards on ETB, a Call to Mind and a Shark Typhoon.

So it's actually even better than drawing two cards. Tutors are better than draws.

>>96288359
which ones?

>>96288508
Huh?

>>96288508
There's a lot of variety, so it's not always so easy to see. But take a look at what they all do. Then you can sort of evaluate in practicality how games tend to play out and extrapolate if removing certain types of cards is more handy than others.

It's probably Red though. Red can cast responsively with its combat tricks from time to time, but it can only really handle getting rid of artifacts and things that die to the amount of damage it can drum up. If you put extremely fat creatures down, especially on a regular basis, Red starts to have trouble keeping up. If you make tons of creatures, (some) Red decks will have trouble keeping up. If you outpace the damage with life gain, Red will get stuck. Red can't really do anything about enchantments either.
Over all, the stuff Red can do isn't all that bad. Red Deck Wins is a thing that existed for years for a reason. But if you can drag Red into a prolonged conflict or you put down just the right card to disrupt whatever the Red deck in particular is trying to do, it's easier for things to start going wrong for it.

>>96287824
Yeah, and Garfield was kind of retarded, what else is new?

>>96286557
I get the point but it doesn't work very well for me, in any case it's done.

>>96287201
Ending 11th in a 36 doesn't look that spectacular, I wouldn't read too much into it unless you see it popping up in another event, that Orzhov deck at least got 2 people in the top 8, that's something I think is worth being curious about.

>>96288205
I enjoy how colorless cards can often fix those holes but at a prohibitive cost.

>>96288205
I like how red can play cards that are a threat no color can answer because all the answers cost more mana than the threat. It really yucks my yum when I watch Legacy gameplay and the player going second uses Force of Will to stop a turn 1 Blood Moon. We need more Ragavans and Heartfire Heroes, and fewer Fatal Pushes and Spell Pierces.

>>96285235 (OP)
man, 2026 looks shittier than ever

>>96288902
LOOT MENTIONED

>>96288902
Genshin collab fucking when?

>>96288902
Getting back into magic after not playing for a few years and this makes me sick

>>96288916
I'm not sure why I hate the thing so much.

>>96288902
Is the event Nicol Bolas coming out?

Is Modern a dying format?

>>96288927
Nicol Bolas is out already because jews of the coast killed eldrazis and phyrexians already.

>>96288902
It appears too be a Quandrix mage yet it bares paint brush tools as if it were a Prismari mage.

>>96288927
Well yeah because Ugin will be coming in. Pretty hard for him to deny it after that.

>>96288918
2027, once they get the last region

>>96288936
Do you think blue mages have common courses? Like in engineering we had to do one class of technical drawing, maybe that's what's going on.

>>96288902
ooooOOOOOOOMMMMGGGGG IS THAT LOOT

Why exactly do animefags have to invade every hobby and force them to adopt their horrible drawing style that gets mocked by any serious artist?

>>96288953
He's going to digivolve after eating enough breasts.

Recommendations for a green/black ramp deck?

>>96288977
And after Chandra, he's getting close...
Those breasts had Sparks.

>>96288902
>more capeshit
LOL
LMAO!

>>96288902
>Lorwyn elves are now tieflings!
Yeah, and I bet they're not genocidal racists anymore and are also 30% african.
Fuck this gay earth, man.

>>96288942
Wouldn't that make him mpreg if they aren't careful?
Or will WotC be cowards, make him fempreg and give him boobies by activating his latent dragon sequential hermaphroditism?

>>96288981
Harrow.

>>96288975
because unfortunately the anime version of the cards sells well thanks to collectors, scalpers and animefags

>>96289030
secret lair started that shit and then hasbro startted adding anime art in some cards sets like jumpstart and neo kamigawa

>>96288902
My expectations go in descending order.
Lorwyn Eclipsed: I see a lot of potential, I remember they wanted the conflict in Lorwyn to be more about pranks and emotions than violence and that kind of failed with most people but I really like the plane. Hype level highest of all these for sure.

Secrets of Strixhaven: I'm not sure what to expect, I don't think it will be another instants and sorceries set but I wouldn't be surprised in seeing more lesson cards. There's more to the plane than the school stuff but it seems to be implied it's about the school again. Not much against it, I liked my first visit to Strixhaven a lot.

Magic Event set: Don't care about the story really but do you know who I miss? Garruk. He was so completely perfect as a green planeswalker, even when he was losing he was perfect . Also fuck Loot. I'm expecting a bit more than the level of enjoyment I get from a core set but since they're taking so much time between Jacewatch episodes maybe it's really good and polished and this is the time they make me care, hoping it's a new plane.

Marvelslop: Don't give a shit, expecting X-Men. They'll print the serialized Hugh Jackman card and that Post Malone will buy for 30 trillion dollars so can't blame them. LTR was fun, FIN was fun, I would be more positive about it if I had not seen all the Spiderman cards with the Hero/Villain subtype and that's given me a really bad feel I can't shake off.

>>96289035
honestly i think foils should get the axe too while we're at it

>>96289030
>shit card
>normal art cost pennies
>anime cat girl cost almost 20$
how the fuck is this even possible?

>>96288975
We saved you from AI, the god machine would have digested everything, bow to your betters.

>>96289009
>Fuck this gay earth
Will this be Bolas' master plan?
The plot of the live action "they ended up in the real world and will visit new york" movie?

>>96289038
>Garruk. He was so completely perfect as a green planeswalker, even when he was losing he was perfect
You will have Vivien Raid from now on and you will fucking like it
>>96289043
>how the fuck is this even possible?
anime is popular now and it sells

>>96289053
>anime is popular now and it sells
>the japanese art of vivien is Out of Stock at 60$+
welp, i think you have a point

>>96289046
Anime is the leading proooompting style tho.

>>96288932
Sadly, no

Gay bolas has fully supplanted all of the canon characterization inside my head and it isn't ironic anymore.

>>96289158
>supplanted all of the canon
Anon, it IS the canon.

>>96289158
>Some random autist took 2 weeks to do what WotC couldn't in 35 years: write a compelling character in the MtG universe

I'm out of the loop on this Gay Bolas thing, is he gay for Ugin, is repressing his faggotry that makes him evil, what's the angle?

>>96287674
>Colour that spams tokens and weenies and gets anthems has a go wide payoff
Colour pie in shambles!

>>96289230
you dont read the lore, right?
tldr: Bolas has loving feelings (as in sexual attraction) for his brother Ugin.
yes, it's real.

>>96288034
The thing is that you can still play your 3GG card in monogreen, the one upside is devotion but it's not very interesting space. They still make them once in a while, I think there's a WWWWW venom coming. The other issue is that I don't think it fits equally across all colors, it makes more sense for black and they usually get them a bit more often or counting the number of swamps, things like that.

>>96287674
very original.
was designed by (((ari lax))) afterall.

>>96289230
He's gay for Ugin after an anon wrote a fanfic that recontextualized a lot of events involving them to have romantic framing around Bolas trying to court and protect Ugin, but not really knowing how to do so, made worse by the fact Ugin (like most "smart" MtG characters) constantly calling him an asshole while refusing to communicate.
Apparently the writing team liked it so much they made Bolas actually gay for him in the Tarkir story.

>>96289266
>>96289300
> you dont read the lore, right?
No I don't. OK, I just found pic related I don't want to hear a complaint about UB ever again make every set Sailor Moon.

>>96288952
I think it's a Hexhaven parallel double.

>>96288902
Is this the scheduled order for everything (i.e., all in-universe sets together), or is this just what we know so far?
>Event Set
The fuck does that mean? Is that just what they call chaotic episodes or battles that occur across multiple planes?

>>96288936
>>96288952
I wonder what they plan on doing with Arcavios. The theme of instants and sorceries becoming other spells through learning being a parallel to morph, along with enemy-color Elder Dragons, made it seem like they intended it to be a direct complement to post-Dragons Tarkir and their creature-heavy themes. Maybe the blurring of lines with this promotional art might suggest changes in color pairings like what they did with Tarkir Dragonstorm (or maybe the art director got lazy).

>>96289038
At this point, all I’m hoping for next year are Blex and Garruk. They teased us with Garruk in Aetherdrift with March of the World Ooze, but no actual references to what he’s doing, at least from what I saw.

>>96289223
Gay Bolas is probably the only character they could put into a set I'd actually care about.
just because it would be funny and I don't give a shit about their actual characters.

>>96289327
If only. Sailor Moon is better than any IP that Magic is actually going to get.

>>96289327
>Chud KNEELS before peak writing

>>96289223
It's even funnier that making a character gay did this when WotC is trying to hard to get those diversity dollars and failing. People don't even remember Niko and they won't remember the next 500 diversity-designed characters, but Gay Bolas left a mark.

LGS says EoE is a bit of a disappointment.
They ordered extra believing some of the Final Fantasy newcomers would keep buying magic, but apparently sales for EoE are lower if anything and the FF fans just keep buying FF boosters.

Given how popular the FF release is, how long until Final Fantasy wave 2?

>>96289653
2028 at the earliest.

>>96288902
>event set
oh so that's what they mask hat sets as now

>>96289653
I don't see it. I just don't see the space. They already did the general FF, so this time they could go for an FF in particular? Unlikely, maybe some commander cards but I don't see another set.

>>96287013
>Red is the worst color
>Blood moon, ruination and price of progress can just win you games
Red is strong, it's just that whenever someone plays a good red card, people won't stop whining

Been cracking a pack or two whenever I'm on my weekly walk that goes past my LGS.
Pretty fun, but now I've got the itch to buy a box.
Which has more value going for it? OTJ, DSK, or LCI? They're my favourite recent sets.
I like EoE too but I kinda ended up pulling everything I wanted from it between prerelease and a bundle.

>>96289738

The FF set is much heavier on final fantasies 6, 7, 10 and 14 than the other games so there is definitely material for another release.

What's up with the TV show they announced, is it still happening?

>>96289779
Yeah there's a lot more 14 content for them to explore.
There's not much mainset HW stuff, and they could go way deeper on the patch content too.
Plus they'll have Dawntrail and whatever the next expansion is to work on too!
You're so right.

>>96289773
Don't crack packs you stupid fucking idiot.
If you want a card then order it online.
Packs and boxes will always be worth more unopened and will never give you what you want when opened. It's a losing game.
And if it's a pack on a store shelf then they have already opened and resealed it. No chocobos for you you dumbass.
Stop wasting money on Magic.

>>96289802
Oh I know that, I just enjoy pulling stuff and adding to my collection.
I don't have a huge collection atm and there's not gonna be a pre-release I care for until Lorwyn so I won't be getting anything from that end for a while either.
Not after mega pulls either, I'm just picking up a pack or two on the weekends and been pretty lucky so far.
Got an Evendo and an Exalted Sunborn the other day...

>>96289779
the only FF I care about is FFT and it obviously didn't get a single card

>>96289814
I hope you at least trade in any money cards you get as soon as you open them

>>96289832
Most of the money cards I've been getting are ones I can use, thankfully.
None so far that're like... expensive but I don't see myself putting in decks.

>>96289832
You won't find money cards in store boosters.
But anyways, I think FF money cards will shoot up in price as soon as the set is retired. "It was the biggest set in history" will keep it's momentum going for years to come as the masses of people will not be able to get over it while also having no interest in any of the game beyond FF. The FF cards will keep selling and going around in their own bubble just because they are the FF set cards. Rest of Magic will be playing catch-up and failing.

>>96289951
Give me racist elves please.

>>96289982
You will get buckbroken apologetic crying pink elves, instead.

>>96288902
where did you get this?

>>96289362
I've seen nothing official with this image so this is just what we know so far. Event sets are basically sets where the focus is some big story event, AKA War of the Spark and March of the Machine-style. In this case it'll be the culmination of whatever the fuck's going on with Jace, probably the Fomori and some other shit.

>>96290004
Pretty sure it's just a fan-made thing with the things known so far. We don't TECHNICALLY know there'll be a non-Standard set actually? I'm pretty sure they've largely said everything will be Standard these days, but it could just be a Commander product.

>>96289738
There's possibly space for covering the side-games (with Tactics as a 'focal point'), but I don't think they'd do another full FF set.

>>96289738
There's a a lot of characters fans wanted and weren't there and of course new versions of already done characters. Plus Tactics and Vagrant Story to pull even more from.

I cant wait for Vivi 2.0 to ruin every format :^)

>>96290164
fpbp

>>96288902
> Two more UB sets
Assuming no more Marvel that year I'm a bit lost, not sure what franchises could be the expected hits, not sure what the kids like. Star Wars? That demons slayer anime? There are some franchises I could see for supplementary products but not sets, like James Bond, GTA, Mario... Bets?

We must retvrn to block constructed

>>96290233
There WAS a potentially leaked Star Trek set but that's dubious. It's definitely possible, though. Bond doesn't really feel likely at all (too 'normal'), GTA is too adult and Mario is too Nintendo-owned.

>>96290235
retvrn?

>>96288902
>7
>SEVEN FUCKING SETS IN A SINGLE YEAR
This is ridiculous

>>96290298
I have no idea where this supposed seventh set has cropped up from. There's no info about anything like that anywhere.

>>96290004
It was revealed to me in a dream.

>>96285410
I'M BACK HOME AFTER EXPOSING YET AGAIN THAT JANNY CAN'T HANDLE BANTER

>>96286496
Courser of Kruphix with additional upside. Courser was an expensive card when it was in standard and this was when prices were still somewhat lower in general.

>>96286514
It's great to know that Commander is responsible for absurd prices yet again.

>>96290495
Look at the most expensive cards in Standard.
>Standard: 282 in total.
>Commander: 1613 in total.

>>96290495
Look at the most expensive cards in Standard.
>Standard: 282 in total.
>Commander: 1613 in total.

>>96290236
Star Trek definitely hits. That Star Trek leak if real could be some concept to sell to suits, not necessarily something happening yet. I assume if that's happening next year Star Wars isn't. What else is there? Compared to things like DnD I'm running out of stuff. Harry Potter but the world isn't ready for the nonbinary rage.

>>96288902
>seven sets in one year
>a set every 7.4 weeks
I LOVE ETERNAL SPOILER SEASON

>>96290724
I could see a DC set happening, but PROBABLY not during the Marvel releases.

>>96290742
There's no seventh set, that's just... Entirely a made-up thing.

>>96290724
I'd say something like Game of Thrones but that feels like it hits a similar issue of being a bit 'too adult'. Brandon Sanderson has said there were talks about doing something Cosmere-related and he's heavily involved with the game so there's crossover there already, but who knows.

Real question when players and customers will actually vote with their wallets and assume 6 sets a year and half of them being non-Magic stuff is unviable?

>>96290786
But they are voting with their wallets, hence 6 sets a year and half of them being non magic.

>>96290786
>when
They're already doing it, and they voted for the 6 sets per year option.

>>96290789
>>96290840
the can we confirm mtg players are retarded

Is Pioneer dying?

>>96290789
>>96291040
shame faggots at your LGS who play with fallout precon decks

>get tilted after losing a draft 2-3 with an insane deck due to mana screw multiple games in a row
>go 7 wins with a bad deck by right play and a few lucky breaks
>still feel tilted

>TCGplayer customer sends me a sterile complaint email saying that his card is not near mint because of one small scratch on the surface and demanding I give him a refund
>check order
>0.15 chaff card

>>96290786
If they do it will be the non-UB sets that get the boot. Dragonstrom did alright but Aetherdrift and EoE haven't done well compared to the FF and Spiderman money

>>96291171
>Spiderman money
What? The set is not even out man and hype is minus negative in every single place

Nothing has ever come close to Final Fantasy money, not even other hit UB sets. It was a perfect storm of being a huge property who appeals to a demographic that overlaps with Magic’s target audience. During the Hasbro earnings call Chris Cox revealed it made 200 million dollars in *one day.* It took lotr six months to do that

>>96288902
>nonstandard set
but why? wasn't the whole thing of turning everything into a standard set to revitalize standard?

>>96291171
>Spiderman money
This will be a net loss because it won't be on Arena, and Standard is mostly played on Arena.

We're still getting the Spiderman set in arena right? Just the names changed like a bootleg copy of Gaystation 2.

>>96291225
This will only motivate them to find the next IP to beat FF. I wouldn't be surprised if 2027 is a year where every set is UB. There are so many properties with the potential to make far more money than the already obscene amounts that FF made.

>>96291251
The sets will be mechanically identical, just not Marvel flavored.

>>96291258
Make me a list. I don't see that many.

>>96290786
They are voting with their wallets. But the majority of consumers are not regularly engaging with discussions like these about whether they should financially support whatever the business side of the game is doing. They just see "more of that game I like" and drop cash on it. Even those kinds of players will start hitting their limits at some point, but so far it's still working out fine.

>>96291258
So many properties like:

>>96291269
It will likely be gaming properties that appeal to people into RPGs. I am pretty convinced they will work with Bethesda again, likely doing both a full Fallout and a full Elder Scrolls set (not in the same year.) The Witcher would be good too

>>96291101
Yes. Pioneer is the replacement for extended. And just like Extended, no one plays it so it's dying.

>>96291316
I like those suggestions, I have trouble envisioning a full Fallout set in Standard, I just don't see mana basically. But Elder Scrolls and Witcher, something can happen there for sure.

no fetches makes pioneer so fucking boring

They really need to cap the number of non-land permanents allowed in any deck to 20.

>>96291344
pioneer with fetches would just be 5c goodstuff vs 5c goodstuff tho, there's no meaningful land hate

>>96290786
All roads lead to Damascus, anon.

If the core audience stopped paying, that would presumably produce a more-or-less flat decrease in sales. However, that would show up in the data as non-UB having a higher percent sales reduction because the sales of normal sets are lower.
This would then be interpreted as "players are rejecting non-UB products", instead of anything about product fatigue. This would then provide a mandate for WotC to triple down on UB and scrap the internal Magic IP almost entirely.

>>96291344
Fuck no.

>>96291428
At this point I will be sincere I rather have 3 sets of whatever thematic than 6 fucking sets a year. This amount of cards, unending spoiler season and shitty overload of content is infuriating and tiresome to me.

Every other card:
>whenever you X put a +1/+1 counter on this creature
>whenever you Y draw a cards
such boring and garbage design. Is this all JotC can do now? I remember 15 years ago when MTG was still fun. And then suddenly by time we got to RTR and Theros, this started to become the norm until today where it's all MTG is.

>>96291316
Neither of those will get remotely close to FF's numbers. People just aren't as fervently 'into' Fallout and TES as they are FF.

>>96291526
Definitely wrong about Elder Scrolls. Did you just miss the internet going berserk over them releasing Oblivion? Skyrim is the most selling rpgs ever. TES is a huge property it’s probably why Microsoft bought Bethesda

The only problem with it from a magic point of point of view is that the player creates their own character, so you can’t print John Skyrim, Dragonborn. Not that huge a deal though

>>96291548
It's weird. It has mainstream appeal, definitely, but FF's fans are WAY more likely to buy FF-related shit. TES fans... Will play TES. And not many people are hardcore fans OF TES, they're just "oh cool new Bethesda RPG".

>>96291442
Fair, and I agree, but it's also an impossible wish. Hasbro have made up their mind about what market they want to sell to, and it's not Magic nerds.
The new demographic is pop culture merch buyers, and maximizing value from them means cycling through fandoms and assuming they won't become repeat customers until you revisit their particular interests.
If the oldheads keep buying, it's a signal to keep going. If the oldheads stop buying, it's a signal to triple down and keep going because they have "proven" themselves "unreliable".

>>96291567
This just seems wrong to me. It would do huge numbers. Maybe not quite as much as FF but a lot. Same with Witcher.

Fallout has a hardcore fan base but I don’t think it’s quite on the same level

>>96291262
I understand the licensing reasons, but I'm not understanding how this looks in practice. Are we getting Jhoira as Mary Jane or are they coming up with new random people? What's going to happen with the art, what happens with flavor text? Can we have like spiderlooking equipment or do we need to make a new thing completely? And then it's like, maybe people want some of that art in paper?

>>96291612
Instead of Peter Porker you are getting Garruk, Primal King. That’s it

i’m so glad i’m not dealing with Spooderman garbage…

>>96291612
>Uncle Barry, Grand DAD
>Pedo Patrick, Astounding Arachnologist
>Becky Venti, Spirit Silk
>Trayvon D'varius, Ultimate Electronid

>>96291673
>Spongebob, Chef of Crabbypatties

>>96285275
True

>>96290474
Holy based Tog poster who keeps russelin' the janny's.

>>96291612
For mechanical reasons they will have to keep all the hero/ villain stuff in the set which I feel shoehorns them into to super hero esque themes

>>96291101
>dying
-ing?
It's dead, anon.

>>96289327
>...his massive cock head.
What did they mean by this?

I've been living under a rock for many years, what is the practical difference between a play booster and a collector booster besides costing 10x as much? What cards can only be obtained from collector boosters, just the pimp my deck versions of a handful of cards? Are they just for speculating on sealed product?

>>96291936
>what is the practical difference between a play booster and a collector booster besides costing 10x as much?
One has all foils and certain versions of cards are only found in collector boosters. In particular, the serialized cards (MY VERSION OF THE CARD THEY PRINTED 200000 COPIES OF HAS A NUMBER ON IT ZOOOOOMGGGGG!!!!!)

Basically, collector boosters are a money grubbing scam tactic.

>>96291800
>wake up
>think about cocks

>>96291101
>be wotc
>decide you need to revive standard
>kill pioneer
>throw the cropse into the pits of mtga
>hope this ritual kill revives standard
>fast forward multiple sets
>standard flopping from one unbalanced meta to the next
>everyone still hates standard
>tfw pioneer died for standards sins

>>96291952
>standard flopping from one unbalanced meta to the next
>everyone still hates standard
Seven bans.

>>96291548
>Skyrim is the most selling rpgs ever. TES is a huge property.
That doesn't matter. Final Fantasy is an instutition and is the defacto JRPG series for most normies (except in Japan where it's Dragon Quest). TES only ever broke into the mainstream with Skyrim and even then it doesn't have the same pop-culture reach that Final Fantasy has.
I want you to think about the last time you saw a TES cosplay at a convention. Or compare the amount of fanart/fanfiction of TES to that of Final Fantasy. This also completely ignores tertiary FF stuff like Kingdom Hearts.

Final Fantasy is probably only going to be matched by actual big guns like Pokemon or Star Wars. There was a period of time where Genshin Impact might have competed with it but I do not believe that GI has the same reach as it did at the height of its hype (similar 'height of hype' contenders would include Game of Thrones and League of Legends).
>Did you just miss the internet going berserk over them releasing Oblivion
And how has that turned out? How many people are still talking about the Oblivion remaster? How well did it review? Generating short term hype is piss easy. The Diablo 2 remaster was the same and nobody gave a shit about that after it came out either.

>>96292021
>TES only ever broke into the mainstream with Skyrim and even then it doesn't have the same pop-culture reach that Final Fantasy has.
Bro, your FUS RO DAHHHH tho!??!?!?
Your dovakhin theme song tho?!?!?!?!?

Yeah seriously TES has barely enough cultural sway to fill out a regular Secret Lair, let alone an entire set.

>>96291952
The fact they killed Pioneer a format waaaay more fun than Stroontard and what’s worse tried this hard to push such format with seven bans and shit just to end with these shit show we are seeing today at Arena Championship is enough proof Nosewater, Cocks and every single person at Hasbro/JotC are not only clueless but absolutely incompetent.


I hope for next year someone with brains come back and at least bring Lio back in the competitive scene.

>Sweet Roll
>2
>Artifact - Food
>When ~ enters, draw a card.
>2, T, Sacrifice ~: You gain 3 life.

>"What's the matter? Someone stole your sweet roll?"

It's happening. Habeeb it.

It's Rosewater, ok?

>>96291936
>>96291949
Also, collector boosters are exclusively printed in the USA, so they have the absolute worst quality print while costing a gorrillion times more.
At least with play boosters you can track down Belgian or Japanese made stock.

They're an absolute fucking insult and I'm disgusted that a handful of ugly serialized cards was enough to win the whales over. I'd have thought the people spending thousands or tens of thousands per set would have more exacting standards.

Playing with or against Cauldron/Vivi is an embarrassing experience I don’t know how these retards could allow these shitshow of a format

>>96292150
>They're an absolute fucking insult and I'm disgusted that a handful of ugly serialized cards was enough to win the whales over.
Something really has to be done about whales. How the hell people allow themselves to get cognitively stunted to where they think that kind of behavior is acceptable is not something a functioning society should accept.

The people who design system to exploit stunted psychologies like this need to be arrested.

>>96292056
TES is one of those ones that hits the mainstream gaming crowd for like about a year when a new one comes out, and then promptly kinda vanishes forever apart from memes of the NPCs being stupid.

>>96292159
>Playing with or against Cauldron/Vivi is an embarrassing experience I don’t know how these retards could allow these shitshow of a format
They were too busy not playtesting Cori-Steel Cutter to test the card with the best activated ability in Standard history alongside the other card that gives activated abilities to everything.

>>96292168
I'm not objecting to them existing, I'm mad that all that money isn't buying them some fucking standards.

>>96292184
>I'm mad that all that money isn't buying them some fucking standards.
Money in the hands of a fool does not make a rich man. It just gives the fool something to do.

>>96292168
You can buy a set of power nine off of TCGplayer for less than it costs to buy the biggest collector booster case of FF from them.

Please understand. These are emergent systems that are very hard to spot!
How were we supposed to figure out that people would try to cast two spells a turn alongside Cori-Steel Cutter? We were only testing it in midrange decks with average cmcs of 5+ and it seemed fine.

And Vivi! Do you really expect us to test Vivi alongside Cauldron? That's two cards! How are we, the playtest team, responsible for finding and testing problem combos before they see print, figure out that we have to test the best activated ability ever alongside the activated ability enabler card!?

Please, we are a small team with a meagre billion dollar budget. Please understand.

>>96291800
Well it's not like he's exactly covered up while Ugin is plowing his asshole. It's kinda obvious it would all be on display.

>read the tarkir story
>ugin and bolas aren't actually gay
you guys lied to me. i was actually hyped up about magic story for the first time in a decade

>>96292082
With him being jewish and all - no, by default he is not okay.

>>96292227
>Having sex with your homie isn't gay

>>96292239
what sex. touching foreheads isn't sex

>>96292239
>having sex with your homie isn't gay
Unironically, yes

>>96292213
it still baffles the scientists how people fall for that after oko

>>96292239
It's only gay if you take it.

>>96292238
You're saying that to be edgy, but it really do be the jewish condition. Constantly tormented by their own neurotic tendencies.
I'd feel bad for them if they weren't so spiteful and venomous.

>>96292252
>touching foreheads isn't sex

>>96292262
Taking it, or taking your socks off.

>>96291982
>>96292075

no refunds

>>96292252
>touching foreheads isn't sex

Guys quick, it's an emergency. The arena team needs you, you've been tasked with renaming this card for the arena release, those disney lawyers are looking.

>>96292382
Green Token White Card

>>96292382
"Creation of the Kamigawan Super Spider"

>>96292382
Why is mono-white getting Reach?

>>96292382
Birth of Arachno-Xir

>>96292382
Origin of Man Spider.

>I wanted so hard Spider support for a Lloth kind of deck
>The most Spider support we are getting forever comes from Marvel capeshit slop
Is this what they call “Monkeys Paw effect”?

>>96292263
Im not saying it to be edgy. It could be another coleration, with public faces and some sort of mental anguish. But most of the time jewish people in the spotlight are some of the most tortured or unhinged souls in existence. It is a stereotype, but there is always a kernel of truth in their roots.

>>96292417
The icing on the cake, arena doesn't get the marvel slop

>>96292417
The monkey's finger curls.

>>96292262
Oh, so just Bolas is gay and Ugin isn't. Good to know MtG works on Greek rules.

>>96292425
>the most tortured or unhinged souls in existence
Read the bible. God keeps trying to rehabilitate them, but they reject His lessons over and over again.

>>96292489
Yes Ugin is not gay that is correct.

>>96292427
I look forward to what kind of mental gymnastics they do to create a lore-friendly card with the typeline Legendary Creature Spider Pig Hero.

>7 Izzet Cauldron in the top 8
LMAO

>>96292382
Origin of the omenpath spider hero

>>96292719
WE DID IT, BOYS
WE FIXED STANDARD!

Reminder that (You) could be playing an actual good, fun and properly balanced format.
Instead you choose to continue to play cancer slop.

>Extend rotation
>Somehow manage to print print zero (0) playable interaction pieces in even a single set within that entire extended rotation
>Surprised Pikachu face when decks that demand you interact with them take over the format.
Don't worry, bros, good designers are in charge!

>>96292770
Reminder that your format is balanced because nobody is actually trying to break it since nobody play it.

FLOURISHING

>>96292793
>since nobody play it
More people are actually playing it every day since they are getting sick and tired of shit like:
>>96291982
And also like:
>>96288902
The question is, why aren't (You).

>>96292795
Total Spiciness level of top 8:
2%

Let's GOOOOOOOOOOOOO this shit fucking sucks
SEVEN BANS

>>96292770
Uhhh where's my tendrils?

S E V E N B A N S

Monitoring the situation

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH THEY BANNED SEVEN CARDS AND THE FORMAT ONLY GOT WORSE

AHAHJAHAHAHAHAHAH IT'S WORSE THAN BEFORE THEY BANNED SEVEN FUCKING CARDS AND THE FORMAT GOT EVEN WORSE AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

SEVEN FUCKING BANS AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAA

>>96292823
Banned. As it should be.

What really makes it embarrassing to me is the banning of 7 cards. When you're making bans for like the 4th best deck or whatever getting this level of domination from a deck that isn't playing new cards is really sad.

>Flourishing
>Rich and diverse metagame
>There's a chance of success with almost any style of deck
>Room for new strategies to emerge

>>96292848
Imagine not playing legacy, the best format, and enjoying storm properly. 40 dual lands are a perfectly reasonable one-time investment.

>>96292857
>All macro archetypes are present (At least 0.1% meta share)

>>96292857
>Rich and diverse metagame
>There's a chance of success with almost any style of deck
>Room for new strategies to emerge
This only applies to Premodern right now actually.
Pretty funny.

>>96292824
>>96292829
>>96292840
You don't understand goyim! If we didn't also hit the control and combo pieces to make things fair for the 80% aggro presence, people might start playing combo or control! Those decks are toxic antifun!

>>96292777
>marauding mako can be cycled
>Fomo rummages
>Steamcore Scholar draws 2 then discard 1 or 2
>Tersa Lightshatter rummages
>Winternight Stories draws 3 then discard 1 or 2, can be recast from the graveyard
>Proft's Eidetic Memory cantrip
Look at an UR list, more than half of their non land cards draw cards in some way, the problem is not the quality of the interactions, the problem is that you are against a pile of "do things draw cards" that never run out of gas.

>>96292855
The root cause is that they just don't have any understanding of the format and they aren't in control of it. What by control I mean that they don't have a grasp on how things work and what removing or adding a piece does to it. There's a 2 year pipeline churning shit and they don't have any proper processes in place to quality control what comes out of it and how it impacts standard.
Of course you can't get everything right all the time and mistakes happen. But the degree of the lack of control is so fucking astronomically bad that they would be better cleaning house and starting over at this point

>"This has going to be so hard to win for Simon now. Jan untapped with Vivi, this is going to be a loss for Simon."
I love Standard formats where untapping with one threat for a single turn means you instantly win!

>>96292874
>Look at an UR list, more than half of their non land cards draw cards in some way, the problem is not the quality of the interactions, the problem is that you are against a pile of "do things draw cards" that never run out of gas.
Yeah it's a huge problem that the consistency is so high. Every card filtering means you basically always have what you need in any given situation.
Other decks relying on regular threats literally can't compete. Why bother playing fatties when you're going to be chumping a 12/14 Vivi via Profts?

Holy fucking shit imagine this deck with Cutter ahahhahahahahahahahahahahahhahha this deck was going to be legal alongside Cutter if WotC had the format they intended aAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

>Vivi Cauldron completely breaking the format
Nice game, magictards.

It's mind-blowing that standard is completely warped around a deck that ultimatley amounts to nothing more than attacking with Tarmogoyf 2.0. Imagine if there was a way to actually use that mana for a wincon.

reminder that all this spamming is a single Brazillian micefag who's still mad his deck was taken down lol

SEVEN.
BANS.

>>96292596
A helpful spider teaming up with a pig, calling back to Charlotte's Web?

Imagine still playing this shit game

So, we can pretty much confirm the format needed at least 8 bans to fix then, right?

Fucking hell...

Next ban announcement in November lol

Is this fun, spamming a 4chan thread that less than 100 people are in?

FOMO should have been a 2/2

>>96292996
2/1 at TOPS.
Red should never get a Bear without downside.

How would you fix Standard at this point? I mean… You ban Vivi, Nemesis remain and Red dragons already won a challenge, Kaito still remains and Dimir is already the second in charge… Pic related is another problem…


And don’t forget they did this shit after 7 bans and neglecting completely Modern and Pioneer with 0 fucking bans in neither.

THANKS JOTC SAVIOURS FOR THIS UNENDING SPOILER SEASON AND EXTENDED ROTATION THAT TURNED STANDARD INTO MODERN 2.0. BROKEN SHIT AFTER BROKEN SHIT AND AGGRO OF COURSE FOR THOSE DOPAMINE ADDICT ZOOMERS!!!

THANKS MARK! NICE 6 SETS A YEAR AND 0 INTERACTION! COOL FORMAT!! THANKS FOR KILLING PIONEER FOR THIS SLOP!!!

>>96293009
>How would you fix Standard at this point?
just wait for everything to rotate out, commander is the main format anyways

>>96292943
>eight legs

>All the removal in the format is shit
>The instant a creature gets above 4 toughness, it might as well be hexproof indestructible.
Good design.

>Every single game is Solitaire
.... the pre-ban format was unironically better...

>Clicking all the flashing lights
>Miss lethal
kino

>>96293114
>When the deck is so solitaire autopilot that you autopilot yourself into a loss.

>draft is just luck

for you anon, for you

my fucking god this format sucks so much

>>96293106
There are a ton of turn 3 and turn 4 combo decks. It's funny, it unironically reminds of old Modern. Kona into Omniscience, Vivi, etc.

>>96293184
It's not even close to old Modern.
Old Modern was a tug of war between interaction and explosiveness.

This shit is just brute force solitaire where the interaction is a token gesture afterthought.

Standardbros I don't feel so good

They didn’t ban Vivi besides it was a new chase mythic but not banning omniscience given all the combo cards they’ve printed was dumb. It’s just going to be used to turn 3 or 4 combo until 2030.

>>96292795
well now I'm automatically rooting for Marvin

How have they managed to develop multiple formats featuring exclusively mirror matches that are worse than Lin Sivvi IN A ROW

>>96293271
Ah. Thanks for the reminder. Kona is now banned in Standard and Suspended in Alchemy.

>>96293247
>Kill Pioneer a format between Modern and Standard in power level that people enjoy
>Extend Standard rotation to 4 years
>Add THREE (3) while non Magic universe sets to an already bloated format
>Take the most retarded and and not playtested design choices ever like: What if an artifact that gives haste but also generates threats every two spells with prowess? What if Creature with haste but returns every damage received to any target and you can’t win life for the WHOLE game? What if Planeswalkers but also creature with hexproof and value? What if FREE MANA counters and damage to face with each spell?
>Print 0, literally 0 powerful interaction in all the format
>Refuse to make the amount of bans this mess requires because “Less profit!”
Small indie company of absolute retards i guess?

If I want to get back into magic, which is the best way to play these days, paper, modo, or arena? I stopped going to FNM because of the smell years ago but spending money on digital cards feels bad.

>>96293309
It sucks because I don’t mind combo decks one Yuna or Kona thats not running Omniscience, it just makes all counterplay braindead. Especially with Cavern of Souls in the format

Fun fact: Vivi originally tapped but they decided it was too weak and buffed it

>One player gets the thing
>The other player doesn't get the thing
>Total, absolute fucking uinstoppable steeamroll every game

This format is BEYOND shit.

>>96293373
Haha! Professional card game designers am right? haha!
Nadu, Town, Rage, Abuelo, Cutter, Vivi! I guess that’s what means to be a professional designer! Haha! Just fuck up things and apologize later, haha!

>>96293321
Kaito is fine, it’s strong but not broken. It’s not like Vivi.

>>96293332
it really depends on what formats you want to play, most people playing paper are only doing commander right now and arena doesn't have the cards for anything older than pioneer
my best recomendation is pauper on mtgo, decks are cheap, the format isn't turbo fast and you'll likely find something you enjoy playing

>>96293393
>Kaito is fine
NO.

>>96293406
In Standard that isn't that good. If they release a ninja set then you might have a point. It requires you to have a creature that's unlocked to ninjitsu in and then on your turn you can just kill it. It reminds me of people whining about Sheoldred when Fable of The Mirror Breaker was in the format

This Championship is a complete and utter embarrassment for the designers of MTG.
What a fucking joke. You have to be retarded beyond belief to allow a format like this to FLOURISH.

>>96293418
>It's not as broken as the other things, therefor one of the worst design ideas of all time is acceptable.
WRONG.

holy shit Mazza's going to win

>Totally ahead, 2 life to 11
>Giant board vs no board
>Opponent draws Cauldron
>Generates 16 mana
>Draws through half his library
>Instantly kills you through 4 blockers from having almost no board state at the start of the turn.

QUALITY.
GAME.
DESIGN.
BABYYYYY.

Shouldn’t someone by FIREDat this point? I mean if I had a company that has become the laughingstock of all their customers event after event and set after i would try to improve the situation somehow…

>>96293449
>holy shit Mazza's going to win
Reminder that interaction doesn't matter. Good play doesn't matter. Being ahead on board doesn't matter. Being ahead on card advantage doesn't matter. Having lethal threats doesn't matter.

In the world of nuMagic, you flip a coin. If you win the flip, you get to flip... another coin...

>"I've never seen a deck that plays like this!"
Motherfucking moron announcer it's literally just the exact turbo-solitaire ultra-linear play pattern as Arclight Phoenix except in a format with zero interaction do do anything about it.

How about you hire someone that knows fucking anything about the game at all to do your announcing, WotC, holy fuck.

>>96293495
>"I've never seen a deck that plays like this!"
Fucking clueless announcers i swear…

what are we watching?

>>96293513
Arena Championship 9.

Seven bans and the format somehow got worse. Absolute humiliation of WotC designers, absolute humiliation of the announcers who are locked into non-disparagement clauses, absolute humiliation of the dumb idiots who are stupid enough to spend time playing such a shit format.

>>96293513
10 Vivi Cauldron mirror matches in a row twitch.tv/magic
Finals are about to start. I'm hoping we get a huge meltdown on camera from one of the players

We went from Beans, to Cutter, to this absolute vomit pile.

WotC what the FUCK are you doing. It's embarrassing how bad these game designers are at designing games.

>>96293523
>The only non-Cauldron deck in the top8 faced zero Cauldron decks on the way there
Dire.

>"really gets him back into the game with that small amount of mana advantage."
MOTHERFUCKER IT'S FIVE MANA A TURN WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN "SMALL"

>>96293406
Don't forget that he himself is a ninja on your turn to benefit from his own emblem :)

Welp, that sucked.

Predictions on bans?

>Year is 2010 +15 and still gotta make players share the screen because the client lacks a fucking spectator mode
this is a clown fest in every possible way

is standard revitalized yet

Can this game be saved somehow? I thought YuGi and HS were in a bad spot but man… This is beyond ridiculous

There was a specific, identifiable moment when magic died. It was when they ended gatherer comments.

>>96293523
you know, for the tantrums they trow here for spelling mistakes you would think there would be at least a single yank on the top 8

>>96293716
Need to bring back mana burn

>>96292382
Advent of the Spider Savior

>>96293513
maat33 playing yugioh

>>96293755
I agree but it wouldn't really change much, combo will either resolve that turn or lose and who else is floating a bunch of extra mana?

Miss me yet?

>>96293513
Joseph Rothschild AKA MBT playing Master Duel

>>96293523
how do we even fix this, go back in time and help the Confederacy win?

>>96293780
No but please take Vivi, Nemesis and Kaito to oblivion with you…

>>96293513
Old SCG Legacy videos circa 2012-2016

Premodern will save this game.

"izzet cauldron was the breakout deck of the night" LMAO

how many viewers did this event get? does anyone even watch competitive magic anymore?

>>96293885
I doubt it, we are talking that since the Pioneer championship, the extended rotation and UB added we had a row of absolute slop of same decks dominating formats

>>96293755
Mana burn wouldn't matter, because it never did. Nobody floats mana they don't intend to use.

>>96293939
>what are infinite mana combos

>>96293945
Someone who has an infinite mana combo doesn't fire it off until they have the thing they're going to use this mana on in their hand. If they do, there's nothing you can do anyway.

>want to use picrelated in D&T
>there's no reason to because there's a million different versions that are almost strictly better

We're at like ten major Standard tournaments in a row where the finals were a mirror match.

>>96292382
Origins of Niggers Tonguing My Anus

ded gaem.

>>96294593
>>96294593
>>96294593

>>96292382
The Spider Ascends

>>96294018
they gave him a 2024 glow-up and he's actually pretty viable.

>>96295205
The point is that I want to play with the original. It has better art and TWO better frame options, but especially in a Vial deck there's no reason to unless I need to deal with an enormous number of Marit Lages for some reason

>>96285323
mark barely has any power these days.

>>96285622
Big white titties on art.

Can someone explain to me why the fuck are the artifact lands legal on Pauper when they're too busted for Modern?

>>96289030
>>96289043

>furry art cost pennies

FTFY

>>96289060
>Normal art is an ugly frumpy black or a transsexual Asian.
>Anime card is a waifu who looks cute
I wonder.