I really want to build a setting with an eternal night and I'd appreciate some help.

The source of the apocalypse is vague; maybe an astronomical event or a battle between the gods. Nobody in the setting truely knows so it might be either.

Temperatures can't be too low to replace the high medieval aesthetic. Maybe the earth is no longer rotating, creating a freezing side and a scorching side. Then however people will live on a narrow twilight band in between the two areas. Not sure if I prefer that aesthetic to one with a gloomy starry night.

Crops can't grow without some alchemy but even then they are pretty limited. I'm thinking mostly a mealworm diet and shrooms for the common folk and some shroom/compost fed bacon for the rich folk. Am I missing some other food hack in a sunless world?

How else would the world be affected besides food and temp?
Should I give up on the idea or just opt for "magic night" explanation that allows an otherwise normal state of affairs. Does something similar exist?

>>96306623 (OP)
>Am I missing some other food hack in a sunless world?
There isn't one. Mushrooms don't photosynthesize, but they still require organic matter to break down. And all that organic matter's food chain goes back to the sun.

A night world is a dead world. No meal worms. No mushrooms. Nothing. Dead.

Except chemosynthesis. Which is what happens in deep sea vents. So you wanna do one that still takes plenty of bullshit? First don't: that's stupid and can't support a complex food chain. It's laughably stupid. But second? Volcanic winter. It's not night all the time. It's just that the daylight is seen through a layer of volcanic ash that's constantly snowing. So some modicum of photosynthesis still happens, and strange life has arisen that lives off volcanic snow drifts performing chemosynthesis.

That's probably your only chance for a world that isn't impossible.

>>96306623 (OP)
>hould I give up on the idea or just opt for "magic night" explanation that allows an otherwise normal state of affairs. Does something similar exist?
Blades in the Dark works like this, there's been no sun since the magical apocalypse, but somehow various types of plants do still grow

>>96306654
Yeah it's more about the aesthetic first for me and then I look how I can justify things. What about the twilight band between complete darkness and hell on earth? You can potentially get a habitable region with wacky climate.

>>96306704
Thanks I will take a look.

How about a world with receding sun. Still I assume that it comes a dead planet a lot sooner before we get a night sky type of view

>>96306623 (OP)
I prefer a "magic night" personally. But that's mainly cause of something I saw in a Japanese tabletop game that I liked.

Namely, that Dracula may have killed the Sun to spread eternal night for his children, but he didn't finish the job. And the remnants are beyond pissed and out for revenge

>>96306750
Sounds cool. Do you remember the name?

I thought about a demiurge type of god and a thief outsmarting him by stealing the sun. This is so fairy folk magic that I might as well go all in on magic.

>>96306623 (OP)
It's a fantasy setting. The less you acknowledge or address the physics of things like climate and temperature the better. It's already disturbing enough to the inhabitants of the world that the sun has gone.
If you want it to be a horror setting focusing on the desperation and inevitability of doom, you could set the story immediately after the event. It probably would take on the order of months? to reach such severely sub-freezing temperatures that life would be immediately impossible. The long-term consequences of being completely without light for months would take longer to unfold, involving much more abstract things like ecosystem collapse. If the night didn't last longer than a few months, it would just be a really weird and intense winter for most ecosystems, depending on when it's timed compared to normal winter. But at least it wouldn't end all life on the world forever.
If it's a more lasting cosmological change and without the concern of realistic physics and biology, then it wouldn't be that significant. In a few centuries, cultures would already be adjusted to the new reality as everyone who remembered the sun would be generations long dead and only their writings would remain. In a medieval setting, very very few people are even literate. "The sun" would be a mythological character in fireside tales and things your granny insists her grandpappy saw once upon a time.
In that way, "eternal night" just becomes a wonky factoid about your setting for players to constantly bonk into.
So you need a really compelling story literally all about that specific thing which directly involves those specific characters.

>>96306777
Dracorogue is the name of the game. And yes, it's a game about vampire knights trying to retain their humanity, but they've also got fairies, pissed off ghosts, twisted former bretheren, and doomsday cultists who worship the the Sun Dragon to deal with
It's pretty cool

>>96307013
*Dracurouge, sorry. I keep getting the u and o mixed up. But I'm making this addendum to note that there's a fan translation of the pdfs out there for those interested

>>96306654
>And all that organic matter's food chain goes back to the sun.
Don't a lot of deep-sea ocean creatures rely more on volcanic faults for sustenance than the sun?

>>96307721
nevermind im an idiot, ignore me.

>>96307721

Yeah but percentage or not theoretically you could posit some sort of chemiosyntesis (probably more akin to Movile Cave than black smokers - read about it, shit is basically a real life lost world). Which might be interesting for some underdark WB I guess, so there might be some value in your question.

Problem is:
1) it would be hilariously less efficient than photosyntesis
2)... and mody surely waaaaaay more localized than plant life on Earth
3),... and possibly toxic to humans
4)... and anyway without a modicum of heat you're gonna have a snowball, not oceans or forests.

Mindflayers, vampires or some other sunlight-fearing enemy set up massive factories to block out the sun with smoke so that they could take over the surface. Gloomy, but not starry. The PCs can take back the surface by blowing up the factories.

>>96306623 (OP)
If it's magic anyway, what if the sun's light was stolen but not its warmth and photosynthesis-activating emissions?

>>96306623 (OP)
You're going to have to put in other sources of light to allow photosynthesis. Something like fireflies that produce sunlight that people then capture and breed so they can be used in farming.

>>96306623 (OP)
>OP creates thread because his partial autism is stopping him truly understanding what fantasy is and just fully accepting the "magic night" option
>all the full-blooded autists come crawling out of the woodwork to give explanations for him to avoid using the "magic night" option
Fuck sake guys, I can only see a couple of you actually saying it's magic, he ain't got to explain shit, but most of you are like this non-breakfast-easting-retard >>96308813 saying you HAVE to have photosynthesis.

It's fucking fantasy, he doesn't need photosynthesis at all. It could be a world where plants grow because the god of earth got infected by a celestial seed, and now "parasites" (all plants) spring up wherever the earth is visible to the sky, because they want to return home. Boom, plants still possible in a sunless setting. Done. One easy possibility of many just shat out on a keyboard for you unimaginative bastards.

Fuck, I hate what /tg/ has become.

The earth's core is a sun. All plants receive energy from it.

>>96309320

Lurk more.

>>96309332
The deeper you go, the more vibrant life is, because they receive more energy form the core sun.
The surface of the earth only receives a minuscule amount, which is why all life there is normal sized.

>>96309338
Been lurking for over a decade, redditspacing newfag. I just know what this place used to be.

>>96309398
The you also ought to see and know what it is now.

And how no one appreciates your "back in my youth" shtick.

You old fuck.

>>96309585
>The you also ought to see and know what it is now.
That's why I said:
>Fuck, I hate what /tg/ has become.
You idiot ESL cunt.

I'm currently playing through a video game with eternal night.
The plants in that world have the ability to create a race of light-humans called Illuminators to shine for them.
The sun in the setting is just one mighty illuminater that has to rest for half a day and even then she can only do it for a certain radius.
But then it turns out the first half of the game was just a dream and the real world is even more fucked. The girl that was the sun died 300 years ago.

>>96307832
>starry. The PCs can take back the surface by blowing up the factories
I like that. Changes the tone to a steampunk / industrial setting where the enemis are the big corpos literally draining the blood and light from the world. I might steal it for another setting

>>96309320
lol it's called suspension of disbelief.
If I have levitation magic that doesn't mean gravity should exist or be addressed right? If someone falls out of a 10 story window can he just walk it off because it's fantasy? Sure, but it will take you out of the story.

If the sun is stolen by magic means, there should be explanation as to how everything else still functions and society changes around that. Or, it can go the route >>96308134 suggsted where only the visual was stolen.

>>96309332
>>96309347
What if the earth cracked during the apocalypse, creating giant shafts going down to the planet's core? Will this release enough heat to preserve life in some radius around it or keep the entire planet from freezing for the next millenia or so?

This will create pockets of civillizations and trade routes along the cracks and a freezing wildreness everywhere else.

Will also boil the see at certain spots creating some intersting sea lore.

>>96310013
>If I have levitation magic that doesn't mean gravity should exist or be addressed right?
You don't even need to have gravity, you can just say the world is flat and constantly moving upwards, that's why everyone gets stuck to the ground, and levitation magic just makes you move up faster than the world.
>If someone falls out of a 10 story window can he just walk it off because it's fantasy? Sure, but it will take you out of the story.
Bullshit. Plenty of games, stories, and films involve characters surviving what should be fatal incidents, but they don't pull anyone out of the story.
>If the sun is stolen by magic means, there should be explanation as to how everything else still functions and society changes around that.
And no explanation HAS to involve existing science.
>Or, it can go the route >>96308134 suggsted where only the visual was stolen.
That's one possibility.

Your issue seems to be you don't grasp what's being said. My point was you don't need to restrict yourself by forcing everything to fit a scientific worldview. It's fantasy, the sun can be a giant eyeball, atoms don't even need to exist, dreams can be in a physical place, it's up to you. Getting tied up in bullshit about how things might still function scientifically in a fantasy setting is just pure autism.

>>96310013
> lol it's called suspension of disbelief.
Yes, and yours seems to be shockingly low. Like, to super autism levels

>>96309320
>>96310053
>My point was you don't need to restrict yourself by forcing everything to fit a scientific worldview.
Then try making productive suggestions instead of whining that other people didn't make the ones you would. Dipshit.

>>96306623 (OP)
Perhaps the night is something people don't really understand--like the light has changed from the human visible spectrum. The Sun is now black, and looking at it still hurts the eyes, because the light is still there, but it is now invisible.

People still sunburn, maybe they call it Starburn now. The heat of the light is still there, but it isn't visible. Plants still grow, but without the intuitive presence of light it is harder to work out where to plant them. Superstitions form around how the stars were always the force that actually did all of these things, the sun was just there for the benefit of sight and is now gone.

>>96310139
I already did, you dumb fuck. You literally quoted me giving a suggestion. Stop being an idiot all your life.

>>96310363
>Throws massive fits
>Wonders why no one read his entire post
Next time try it without spending a paragraph throwing a fit, if you want anyone to read your post?

>>96310053
>And no explanation HAS to involve existing science.
obstructing celestial body, commet collided with moon chaging its course to just the right (wrong) trajectory, it's now permanent solar eclipse

>>96309320
Having something like the fireflies makes it so that sunlight is available but is a valuable and at least semi-scarce resource which enables story elements such as fighting to steal/protect this precious resource as well as the power on those who have possess said resource in substantial amounts. It serves multiple purposes not just to provide an explanation. If you're too stupid to arrive at that conclusion on your own then I don't know what to tell you other than you're a fucking retard and you should probably keep your dumbass opinions to yourself.

>>96310378
Oh, I get it, when you've been shown to be a retard, just pretend who you're replying to is "throwing a fit" to distract from you being a retard. Nice try, but it didn't work. I'll highlight where you fucked up again: >>96310139

>>96310053
I'm sorry but it seems you don't seem to understand. I already mentioned in the op I can go the "magic" route. I know I can and you are not adding anything to the discussion by saying again and again how I don't need to explain stuff because "fantasy".

I am interested to hear from people, who are into world building, how something like this might work. Because I prefer to have consistent logic in my setting as opposed to not having it.

You almost seem to understand:
>You don't even need to have gravity, you can just say the world is flat and constantly moving upwards,
Exactly. That is one explanation for the behavior we call gravity in another world. You didn't say "don't talk about gravity who cares" but instead you gave a reason why a flat earth behaves similarly to what we know. That is what i'm looking for. Saying "fuck photosynthesis" is like saying "fuck gravity" - you CAN do it, but I assume you understand why one might like to think about it carefully before deciding on it.

>>96310490
I didn't read the rest of your post past your throwing a fit, anon. Sorry, I guess? Maybe post better.

>>96310593
Guaranteed even with your limited attention-span you did read it, you're now just being a little bitch because you got shown up. Back to your embarrassing post I guess >>96310139

>>96310569
>I'm sorry but it seems you don't seem to understand.
Despite multiple posts of me fairly clearly demonstrating I do... sounds like you're just looking to defend your autism and pushing it on me. Not my problem, dude, you struggle along if that's what you really want.

>>96310611
You "guarantee" that the reason I didn't know what was in your post after the whining is because I did read it?

Anon take a break.

>>96310709
I guarantee you read it but you're too much of a retard to have understood it, hence your embarrassing failure and now pretending to not have read it. Either option, you're still a little bitch and you still fucked up >>96310139

>>96310719
That's an interesting theory, anon. What other conspiracies center around you?

>>96310732
Currently in this thread, these two:
You're an idiot loser that fucked up and won't admit it.
You're desperately trying to distract from your fuck up with irrelevant shitposts, but here it is again >>96310139

>>96310743
>You're an idiot loser that fucked up and won't admit it.
Anon admit what? I already stated that you're right: I didn't read the rest of your post past the angry screed.

>>96310852
>being this incapable of understanding what's happening
>being this useless and repetitive
Wow, it too me far too long to realise you're the furfag from the other thread. Get fucked.

The Sun became the Moon.

>>96309707
Nobody cares grandpa.

>>96311021
And yet here you are, proving you do.

Man, I can't wait until school starts back up and all the kids have stuff to do other than post here.