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>>96313940
It’s just a different kind of game. MWO not making players miss 3/4 of their shots like tabletop is probably a better experience for the players, even if it means you have to fuck with scaling and armor and damage values to make it work.

I still think we should’ve gotten melee and collision physics and knockdowns though.

>>96314090
Yeah funnily enough if they did want to make a lore-accurate MWO game...it would basically be Armored Core, just with a more durable mech.

>>96314090
>collision physics and knockdowns though.
Can't do that, we'll just Dragon Bowl the Devs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K2QF70H2hc

>>96314090
>It’s just a different kind of game
Having your mech be off meta if it can't peek corners or hills is a horrible experience. Poptarting alone makes the game unfun every time you have to deal with one.
Every mech is made of tissue paper because you can just focus all your damage in one place and it results in shit like this where you can just tear apart three assault mechs on your own in the span of three TT turns.

>>96314158
Nah that would happen in any game numbers are meaningless if the attacker assaults someone with a superior position piece meal. See it happen in Arma constantly.

>>96314288
>Nah that would happen in any game
Doesn't happen in tabletop. You're not killing three assault mechs in three turns with one mech unless you get supernaturally lucky.
>See it happen in Arma constantly
You mean another game where the time to kill is near instant and the guns have perfect accuracy?

>>96314158
>>96314103
>>96314090
I would play a mode where everyone is assigned a random stock variant, you queue up for weight class only.

>>96314506
It would need a BV system to prevent one team getting four chargers and the other team getting four awesomes.

>>96314521
well, that sounds cool.

>MWO
>PGI

>>96314325
The table top equivalent would be the one mech shooting each mech one at a time while they advance in a single file & miss all of their shots.
The Arma example I'm thinking of involved a handful of defenders holding an objective against a massive NATO counterattack. We took the trench & woodline to the SE of the objective and defended against an abrams, two Bradley's, and probably 20-30 infantry. The problem was each of those slowly trickled in and got killed one at a time from an inferior enemy in a superior position same as that video posted.

>>96314540
>The table top equivalent would be the one mech shooting each mech one at a time while they advance in a single file & miss all of their shots
Yeah, you're not going to hit the same location enough times in that short a time span to kill them in 3 turns even your rolls are good.

>>96314573
Like I said previously all they can really do is add spread, especially if a mech is moving. Atleast then when you peek out you have to come to a complete stop to fire accurately. All those three guys had to do was not bumble into his kill zone one at a time & get rekt anyway

I wonder what the story is with Cajamarca.

Just how bad and/or crippling is the IS XL engine?

>>96314653
How does an intelligence agency occupy a world? Don't you need ground forces for that?

>>96314740
If you lose a side torso the mech dies. It can be repaired later, but it's tactically dead. CASE won't save it either (although it will ensure that it still exists to be repaired). CASE II would save it.

>>96314781
>CASE II would save it.
What kind of black magic keeps an ISXLE working with a torso blown out?

>>96314740
Not especially. You fuck up the shielding enough, the reactor automatically scrams to keep anything actually bad from happiness. It's a fair bit of time to fix, but it's not hard, and the parts aren't even a hard to acquire (there's no rolling to get engine repair components). An average Tech working in a Dropship bay and taking time for the fix can fix 3 XLFE crits in about 2 days worth of work, about 80% of the time. So unless you have a hideously stupid operations tempo, if you have 4-5 days of downtime between major engagements, your XL Mech will be fine.

XLs are actually better than normal engines for a similar reason. To kill a SFE Mech, you generally have to core it out or blow its ammo (which cores it out). So if you lose an SFE Mech, it's almost certainly totally destroyed, and never coming back. When someone XLFE kills one of your Mechs, it's a few days in the shop (assuming you control the battlefield and can salvage it) and it's back in action. XLFEs actually INCREASE Mech survivability. You just have to not play in mindless 1-off games where nothing matters but "last man standing", and honestly if that's what you're playing, you aren't really a Battletech player anyway.

>>96314787
With CASE II, the torso never gets blown out at all.

>>96314787
CASE II makes ammo explosions destroy rear armor and one single point of structure (which iirc still triggers a crit chance check). The most common way for a 305X IS design to die is an ammo explosion in a side torso with XLFE and CASE. If they had CASE II they would die a lot less often.

>>96314740
Pretty bad in the heavier mechs because those tend to lose side torsos before their center torso.
>>96314796
Just eject if the center torso gets badly damaged.

>>96314506
I've been saying that only stock variants should be allowed in PvP. SINCE FUCKING BETA

>>96314812
I am NOT going to be a Kuritan P.O.W.

>>96314819
You are if your XL mech gets its side torso blown out and your mech goes down that way.

What happens if you have 1 LRM ammo and 1 SRM ammo in LT w/ CASE II, LRM ammo blew up and CASE II got activated and then SRM ammo blows up?

>>96314812
>Just eject if the center torso gets badly damaged.
This faggotry is exactly why the concept and fear of dispossession should never have been dropped from the setting. If Battletech ever gets a reboot, if you lose your Mechs your opponent is allowed to punch you in the face as hard as they can. Put a negative reinforcement on losing your heirloom and your claim to nobility and people will understand the need to preserve your Mech at all costs right quick.

>>96314774
They do have some ground forces, although both Dark Shadows and Eagle Corps are a bit above domestic occupation and don't really come in large enough numbers anyway. The Liberation Units don't have any business inside the league either since their main job is to be terrorists ahead of an invasion. They are said to have "other" forces besides those named, but there's no information on them and they may be temporary units only used for one thing and then disbanded for secrecy.

>>96314842
... it didn't go away. Forced Withdrawl and other rules exist because losing a mech is a huge loss both financially and socially.

You still bail on the mech if you can't save it. Only fools and Kuritans and Clanners prefer to be hosed out of the remains of their cockpit.

>>96314826
What XL. SFE, no case, ammo heavy designs only. I like the BV discount for on board explosives.

>>96314867
Didn't ISXLE actually give you BV discount?

>>96314867
Explosive ammo weapons should be removed from the game. There is no gameplay bonus whatsoever that's worth the risk of losing your entire Mech to a lucky roll. Gauss and plasma are fine. Otherwise only energy weapons should exist in universe. Mounting an ammo based weapon is just deliberately crippling your own unit, and realistic people don't build deliberate flaws into their war equipment.

>>96314922
>There is no gameplay bonus whatsoever that's worth the risk of losing your entire Mech to a lucky roll.
You have never played Battletech.

>>96314935
You've never had 3 of your 4 Mechs destroyed by ammo TACs by the end of turn 2. GFY. Ammo weapons are a liability and shouldn't be in the game.

>>96314944
You don't play.

>>96314944
Gyros can be crit by a lucky TAC. Gyros are a liability and shouldn't be in the game.

>>96314944
You've never had a SHS mech with 10 sinks get hit in the engine twice on turn 2.

>>96314778
This becomes even funnier when you consider that like half of the Battletech fanbase is furries

>>96314944
>You've never had 3 of your 4 Mechs destroyed by ammo TACs by the end of turn
This is statistically impossible and has never happened.

>>96314893
A mech that switches to an ISXLFE without changing speed does get a discount, yes, to account for the extra vulnerability. This is often then buried in the extra firepower you add with the freed up tonnage.

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>>96315026
Take it to >>/v/

>>96315026
I can't imagine putting such a massive liability like a gyro in a mech.

Do you think a Battletech RTS would be possible?

>>96315257
I think if I were to make one I would name it MechCommander.

>>96315259
This.

>>96315259
Somewhat pedantic but that's real time tactics.

>>96315257
If by RTS in the modern sense you mean like basebuilding and resource gathering, then no, that really wouldn't fit Battletech. If you mean RTS in the traditional sense before the distinction of real time tactics, then yes, they've done it before.

>>96314740
It depends on what you can do with the tonnage. For stuff 80+ tons it's kinda iffy just because of how space inefficient IS equipment is, DHS especially make it easy to end up with more tonnage than you have room to use it. It's just a death sentence on low mobility stuff that is counting on thick armor to keep in the fight, too much real estate that you can't afford to take a TAC.

Mediums I think get the most mileage from the upgrade. 55 tonners like the Griffin become really mean and have the right mix of mobility and armor to keep from getting turned into a crater as soon as they run into trouble. They also benefit from being generally less desirable targets.

Lights and heavies it's a crapshoot. Does it matter if you make a mech that's already made of tissue paper a little more frail in exchange for possibly doubling it's weapon loadout? Judgement call.

>>96315359
to whit.
GRF-1N to GRF-3M upgade.

the ISXLFE, gets an lrm10 to an lrm20

What battlemech is closest to the MS-09 Dom?

What might be some good self-preservation/escape clauses you could use to protect against your employer throwing you into a meatgrinder? Or some loophole you can exploit examples?
>looking at you Tor Miraborg

>>96315393
Horned Owl. He's pretty great.

In this house Jerome Blake is a hero! End of story!

>>96315286
An RTS in the style of wargame would fit battletech well.

What's a good mech that has consistently disappointed you on the tabletop?
What's a bad/mediocre mech that has been surprisingly effective?

>>96315419
I thought that was the Zaku

>>96315452
I always saw it as closer to a Death Army grunt with slightly less ridiculous shoulders.

>>96315452
The lack of pipes and shoulder shield really pushes it more towards the dom, I feel. It has a closer silhouette. People painting it as a zaku for me just highlights that the only real similarity is the faux-monoeye and that the zaku is more well known.

>>96315425
Wargame is an interesting comparison because a mech in Wargame: Red Dragon would essentially be like...a battleship that had the speed and maneuverability of a helicopter and could move anywhere over land and underwater. They would completely dominate the meta especially since they would be pretty cheap relative to how OP they are.

>>96314090
>knockdown
Not fun.
>melee
Agreed, Lights wouldn't crotch hug assaults and fast heavies would have a purpose. DFA would be absolutely amazing, use the Halo 5/Space Marine 2 "ground pound" model allowing players to aim where they land.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G88ZTO1RXRs&pp=ygURaGlnaGxhbmRlciBidXJpYWw%3D

>>96315508
That's not how it works in wargame, unit cost is relative to its combat effectiveness, just like BV. Mechs would be super expensive compared to literally everything else.
If they go with TT performance your mech is also not going to have a great time if it gets into a shooting match with similarly armed tanks of similar weight that outnumber it, nor would you want to run it through urban terrain full of infantry or BA or protomechs.
>>96315509
DFA is basically impossible in the mechwarrior games the way jumpjets work in those.

>>96315527
>unit cost is relative to its combat effectiveness, just like BV
Yes and no. Like BV there's definitely a 'meta' of units that are much more effective relative to their costs. Case in point, an Awesome is about 70% more effective than a Schrek, but you need about 3 Schreks to have at least 50/50 odds when facing an Awesome, and the cost of 3 Schreks is about 75% more expensive than an Awesome in terms of BV.

This would be the same case in Wargame. Mechs would be somewhat more expensive on an individual basis but would be so much better that they're still well worth it.

>>96315546
>an Awesome is about 70% more effective than a Schrek
*expensive, not effective

>>96314158
All they would need to do is add sway/recoil and for lasers do what the lore states and have a single laser hit do 100% damage and the rest do reduced damage due to armor vapor. Pulse Lasers were literally created to get around this issue.

>>96314805
>CASE II does what irl blow out panels do
Jesus Christ Battletech has some schizotech.

>>96314842
>be dispossessed
Except most Battlemechs are HOUSE MILITARY. There is a reason forced withdrawal and forced ejection is a thing, you can always get another mech but you only got one life.

>>96315546
Where are you even getting those odds from.

>>96315549
I'd say the Schrek is MORE effective due to it being able to alpha each turn, and 95% of the time Awesome's are used defensively.

>>96315497
The old illustration had pipes, but it got changed because they were afraid of getting into even more copyright bullshit. Funnily enough, it was also traced over from a Gunbuster model sheet, but I'm pretty sure it was the same artist just being lazy since that book was contracted out to a Japanese studio that used to work with Gainax.

>>96315653
A test conducted a few threads ago ran about 50 times to get the results.

The thing about conventionals that makes them so bad cost-wise is mobility crits and TAC's. You can make the most well-armored fusion-powered ultra-heavy powerful expensive tank possible...and it'll get one-shotted by a light mech because of those rules.

>>96315664
Mechs also experience TACs.
In the games I've ran it usually comes down to shots getting through the armor and the awesome doesn't really have a completely certain chance of outshooting just two schreks in an open field.

>>96315624
CASE II does it without presenting any sort of less armored hatch, and with 100% efficacy. Modern blowout panels are necessarily weaker than the armor around them and don't always work, especially if there's other damage or a direct hit to the ammo by an already explosive shell.

>>96315393
Conceptually, I'd say a fast Assault like a Charger or Banshee, maybe a Highlander.

>>96315673
>Mechs also experience TACs
Yes but mechs only have like, a 20% of experiencing a TAC in a part of their body that will destroy them

Tanks have a 100% chance of that happening because it's all just one big blob.

>>96315681
But that's the top armor of the tank, which is even weaker than rear armor. Blow out panels and wet storage are 1940's technology, it's complete nonsense that they ever became LosTech.

>>96315738
>it's complete nonsense that they ever became LosTech.
LosTech =/= Advanced, it's just technology that became lost.

>>96315714
Which is why AP/LBX is so deadly against tanks, seriously bring some AC2 with AP ammo or LB5X's and watch how fast crits and TAC's turn your Demolishers's and Alicorns into scrap.

>>96315664
Didn't that test involve princess constantly running the schreks into melee with the awesome and not knowing how to rotate fresh armor facings towards the awesome?

>>96315746
I'm just pointing out how silly it is to have fusion/PPC's/lasers be as common as dirt yet fucking shit like tandom charge SRM's, CASE, and others are either LosTech or weren't developed until the 32nd century.

>>96315784
Well how is a feudal peasant supposed to develop CASE tech?

>>96315738
Yes, even weaker. Installing CASE II doesn't require the rear armor to be made weaker. You can even install it on one of those weird front-back symmetrical armored mechs without reducing the rear armor at all. It also doesn't add an extra TAC chance when the rear is attacked.

>>96315784
CASE specifically involves ferro-fibrous, which requires specialized orbital foundries. It also involves adding that ferro-fibrous as internal walls separating that section from surrounding sections. That's why it also prevents damage transfer from external attacks that destroy the location.

>>96315814
>That's why it also prevents damage transfer from external attacks that destroy the location.
since when?

>>96315636
>Except most Battlemechs are HOUSE MILITARY.
Begone, secondary. That was not in any way the original fluff. State owned Mechs were badly outnumbered by personally owned Mechs until after the Clan Invasion. That's not up for debate.

>>96314090
Armorered core but trade skating for running, only some Mechs have jets, and there's no auto lock unless you've got some like an Artemis IV or a Targeting Computer.
Try complaining about how often CBT MechWarriors miss shots when you have to deal that.

>>96316304
Meant for >>96314103

>>96316304
Yep, this is the part that people often miss when talking about how OP mechs are compared to conventionals.

It's not just that mechs are basically land-battleships while conventional vehicles are glass cannons.

It's not just that mechs are surprisingly cheap compared to conventionals and far more efficient in terms of what you're getting for their price

It's that they move like goddamned ninjas dodging attacks in the middle of battle and doing combat acrobatics like a fuckin' ballerina while they have ECM cranked to the max so you can't get a read on where they even are

How often should you actually foght against mechs in 3025? Reading thr house books and stuff it feels like there are way less mechs in the setting than I expected, and even the mechs that exist are in really bad shapes

>>96316416
The extent of the post apocalyptic stuff has been being ratcheted down since basically the start of the setting. The first scenario packs give you the impression no one has the state capacity to do more than cattle raids anymore, and then of course the first major story arc is about the 4th succession war and dozens upon dozens of regiments being moved around.


Bottom line, the vast majority of military units that get named have at least some mechs. motor infantry v. motor infantry fights must happen sometimes, but in universe only when both sides have messed up and out of universe the authors don't care about that.

>>96316416
The overwhelming majority of almost any force will be conventional vehicles and infantry. Mechs are expensive and advanced vehicles that are much more difficult to produce in number compared to conventional vehicles.
Logistically, mechs hold a major advantage as invading units. An optimal ground force would be almost entirely mechs and some infantry for clearing close quarters environments.

I grabbed the Snord's box because Frankenmech's are cool. I hadn't heard of the Spartan prior to that and looked it up after buying it.

Am I wrong in thinking this Mech is insane? Faster than a Charger, hits hard with 3 medium pulses and an ER PPC, well armored, good hardpoint locations, and 13 DHSs. Plus 2 SRM-2's, AMS, and Tag. All at 80 tons and using Star League era tech.

I started with HBS' Battletech and kept going with MW5, so its been cool learning about mechs that never made it to digital. This one seems terrifying given how it's Star League era.

>>96316575
Sounds retardedly optimised.

>>96316693
It's not even close to optimized. There's no such thing as an assault Mech traveling faster than 3/5 that is in any way optimal. Speed is never the right choice once you hit assault Mechs.

>>96316060
We're not in the Succession Wars anymore grandpa. It's the ilclan era now

>>96316416
This is technically the wrong question: The important question is "if mechs are so scarce in introtech, why are mech on mech battles still so common?"

While it can be tempting to shut this down with "Battletech is a game about mechs fighting, so if players are going to be involved, it's going to be in mech fights" its important to consider that scarcity may actually have an ambiguous effect on frequency of lance-on-lance contact.

With house forces even struggling to maintain garrisons and forces, the odds of going against a well equipped lance goes down on any given sortie. In places of intense fighting, partial lances or even lone mechs may be attached to other forces where proper formations are untenable and that means that if you can field a proper lance your success in combat is substantially higher.

Conversely, commands would be incentived to keep in reserve rapid support forces including lances of mechs to stomp out fires caused by perceived weakness.

Mechs would be deployed cautiously still and skirmishing patrols more similar to cold war fighter jockey posturing would be the norm rather than team-deathmatch, but on the whole, mech on mech contact would be frequent.

Mechs would also regularly face Vees where they can ambush them or where forces are stretched so thin the opposition cannot field mechs against them; and similarly Vees may engage in surprise attacks to try and punch above their weight, crippling the enemy's greatest assets, but on the whole the point would be that fighting would be common, but with forced withdrawl and strategic reasoning being what it is, losses would be less frequent than expected.

>>96316843
Not FASA, not canon. Simple as.

>>96316853
>The important question is "if mechs are so scarce in introtech
The IMPORTANT question is "if mechs are so scarce in introtech, why have the governments not forcibly seized them all and why are civilians allowed to own weapons of war"? You don't see ordinary people owning a front line fully operational Leopard or Merkva tank, or operating a Rafale or Eurofighter. Civilians aren't supposed to be able to own weapons, and governments have a monopoly on the means of warfare. That's literally what being a government means.

>>96316880
Please don't ask retarded questions. This has nothing to do with Battletech.

>>96316843
>It's the ilclan era now

>>96315546
>>96315664
That test involved two schreks, not 3. Three schreks would significantly tilt the odds in favor of the vehicles.

>>96316926
Cry more.
Ignore the retarded plot. Play with cool mechs and tech.
3145 uber alles. DEUS vult.

>>96317187
NTA but 2 Shreks is already more expensive than one awesome in every way that matters(C-Bills, BV, logistics, etc) if the argument is another Schrek would tip the scales, then it's already proven the Awesome is the better choice because you're tying up 3 CVs to one Mech, let alone full lances to companies of Mechs working together.

>>96314796
Just to add onto this, this is why C.A.S.E. on an IS XL is a thing.
Think of not the next battle but of the next dozens battles you are expecting and it becomes way more logical.

>>96316553
Mechs really aren’t that expensive desu, at least not relative to their power. Sure, a mech might be 50% more expensive than a single tank…but if you need 4 tanks to go toe-to-toe with that mech, what does it matter?

>>96315359
>especially make it easy to end up with more tonnage than you have room to use it
You could armor components or even get a reinforced structure, even out the fragility of the ISXL a bit.

>>96317304
If you get an atlas into a brawl with two demolishers you have pretty good odds of losing the atlas.

>>96317327
just step on one, ezpz

>>96317336
Assuming you get good initiative rolls, that's certainly an option, but that still entails closing into short range with four AC/20s and if they're really close to you the odds are good moving into melee with one will let the other roll right around you and shoot your rear torso.

>>96317327
That’s because you’re using the wrong vehicle for the job, Demolishers are very weak to light mechs.

>>96317751
Can demolishers load precision ammo? Because if so, I’d be very hesitant to just feed light mechs to a unit toting around what’s effectively a pair 20-damage pulse cannons.

>>96317815
You have to keep in mind that even light mechs are still going to have more durability and survivability than a demolisher because of the lack of TAC’s and mobility crits (and even disregarding that they can just close distance and stomp)

is it just me or is this shitposting even more stupid then usual?

>>96317848
If it's more than one demolisher they can cover each other and make closing distance an incredibly bad idea for light mechs. Most introtech light mechs have less than 20 points of armor and structure combined per leg.
>lack of TAC’s and mobility crits
Mechs get both of those.

>>96317862
Its not just you. Some retard must have lost their job or something.

>>96317862
Shitposting will continue until franchise improves.

>>96317953
The franchise hasn't improved in decades.

>>96317885
Mechs get TAC’s but they’re not nearly as bad, getting a crit in your arm means you lose the arm, getting a crit on your tank means you lose the tank.

>>96317973
>getting a crit on your tank means you lose the tank.
You've never actually looked at the vehicle crit table, have you?

>>96317997
Regardless tank crits are still a lot worse than mech crits.

>>96317953
Honestly, I think having one big FM for mercs the way they do for the Great Houses is a dumb idea. There's too many different companies with totally different organization and culture. Just do some short PDF/PODs for the various notable ones and call it a day.

>>96318016
The overwhelming majority of crits tanks receive are just penalties to driving skill rolls.

>>96318037
A mobility crit’ed tank is dead in the water and is just a sitting duck of artillery or to just be ignored. Whereas even missing a leg a mech can continue to move and be a threat.

>>96318060
You've never played a game in any capacity if you think a mech that's lost a leg isn't a sitting duck.
Tanks usually take quite a few crits before one of them results in immobilization.

>>96318076
Regardless a tank has all of its important bits all jumbled in the same place, a TAC is still doing a lot more damage.

What would a Royal Victor have looked like if they hade made one? Hard mode, must keep the AC/20.

>>96318092
A tac destroying a tank is far less likely than the tank just dying the normal way of armor loss and internal destruction.

>>96318106
Which is still pretty likely for a tank since tanks tend to lack armor compared to mechs

>>96318140
A TDR-5S has an armor factor of 208.
A Patton has an armor factor of 232.
Both are 4/6 65t units.

>>96318191
Yes but more of the mech’s armor is facing the enemy compared to the tank’s so you have to chip through more of it.

>>96318201
You can usually rotate to keep the fresh facing of a tank pointed towards its target.

>>96318076
Mechs are a lot harder to mobility-kill, though. You need to either destroy the leg, strip off the armor and roll a crit, or if using floating TAC rules (which admittedly most people do), roll a TAC (one in 36 odds) and then roll a leg as the location. Vehicle by comparison have a chance of mobility damage every time they get hit, and while most of the results don't immediately immobilize it, over the course of the game vehicles tend to lose speed from repeated motive hits, and getting one immobilized isn't unlikely from the sheer volume of fire.

>>96318201
The Thunderbolt has 185pts of forward facing armor. The Patton has 194pts of forward facing armor.

>>96314144
Robinhood is definitely on the list.
>96314153
>One of the best books in existence. Classics are famous for a reason.
I saw it there on the shelf, realized that I've seen at least 3 different movie adaptations of the book during my life, but have never read the book. I'm assuming that there's going to be a lot that got left out of the movies that was in the book.

Of course my big problem is that I'm a slow reader. Not slow in the sense of when I'm actually reading, but slow in that I don't often make time for myself to just sit down and read. I'm more likely to play Battletech on my main computer while having youtube videos playing on my secondary computer than I am to just lay down on the couch and read a book. I need to get back into regular reading of things that aren't just the Bible, rulebooks for tabletop games, or techmanuals at work.

>>96318251
Not to mention tanks in general tend to underperform as a whole. Case in point, it was generally assumed that 2 Schreks would be a favorable matchup against an Awesome on open terrain, only for the Awesome to win over 70% of the time, and this despite the 2 Schreks being more expensive than the Awesome.

And that’s on open terrain, in rough terrain the Awesome is favored much more.

>>96318284
You keep referring to a test where schreks drove into melee range of an awesome under AI control as if it proves anything.
That the schreks won that often is miraculous.

>>96314144
Robinhood is definitely on the list. I also browsed around looking for some sort of book about Camelot or King Arthur, but then I realized that I don't actually know the names of any books about that either. All the Camelot stuff I just know from cultural osmosis as well.
>>96314153
>One of the best books in existence. Classics are famous for a reason.
I saw it there on the shelf, realized that I've seen at least 3 different movie adaptations of the book during my life, but have never read the book. I'm assuming that there's going to be a lot that got left out of the movies that was in the book.

Of course my big problem is that I'm a slow reader. Not slow in the sense of when I'm actually reading, but slow in that I don't often make time for myself to just sit down and read. I'm more likely to play BattleTech on my main computer while having YouTube videos playing on my secondary computer than I am to just lay down on the couch and read a book. I need to get back into regular reading of things that aren't just the Bible, rulebooks for tabletop games, or tech manuals at work.

>>96318299
Which just proves how terrible tanks are. You’re spending more than your enemy to lose most of the time even in ideal conditions.

>>96318310
Melee range is not an ideal condition. Intentionally driving into melee range is not an ideal tactic.

>>96316926
>pretend
It's definitively not canon if it's not FASA.
At BEST there are multiple canons
>Canon
>wizkids canon
>clickytech canon
>cgl canon

>>96318327
Maybe don’t use vehicles that can handle melee in a setting where melee is an important part of combat then

>>96318428
Maybe don't drive them into melee range.

>>96317862
Protomechs were the ONLY way to fix Battletech and since all of you fucking BABIES said NOOOOOO! PROTOMECHS ARE STUPID!!!!! I can only sit here and smile and laugh as your precious franchise burns all around you

>>96318486
>Protomechs were the ONLY way to fix Battletech

Elaborate

>>96314832
CASE II applies to both ammo bins so resolve the effects back to back.

>>96316060
>Battlemechs are only owned by individuals and not house armies
Yeah no. 95% of the mechs in setting are owned by house military/large mercenary companies or private security firms. Personally owned mechs would be the equivalent of private jets, only the top 1% can even entertain that notion.

>>96316416
Depends on the location. Border worlds or worlds with less strategic value would be 95% CV/VTOL/Infantry with a bug/light lance mix (Spider/Locust/Javelin/Panther/Urban) with a medium thrown in as lance leader.
The more valuable a world is the more resistance you see. The only time you will see pure Heavy/Assault lances is in full scale war or a core world.

>>96318475
Shoot them to immobilize them first!

Fellow GMs, what are some of your favorite OpFor units to throw against your players? Personally I like the AWS-8T, it's big and scary and can reach out and touch people, but it isn't as likely to accidentally delete a player in one turn of shooting like the 8Q could. Scorpion (tanks) are also great if I want to pad out the numbers. Being able to reach out to 18 hexes let them contribute, and those 5 damage hits eventually add up to become threatening, but their low mobility and limited armor means that once the players start paying attention to them, they can remove them in short order.

>>96319003
SMasters/Warriors/SRM-LRM carriers/Pikes/Galleons/Hetsers/JEgers, there are lots of options.

>>96318969
I feel like Periphery and border worlds are kinda stuck in a perpetual cycle of poverty because of that. They can’t afford the facilities to build mechs, which means they’re forced to rely upon expensive inefficient tanks instead, which get blown up quickly and waste a lot of their resources, which means they have no resources left over to build mech factories

>>96318177
Wow, it's kinda shit.

>>96316575
It has the same speed as Charger, it also has XL engine (bad). Spartan is a unicorn of unicorns. Probably the rarest operational mech in existence.

>>96319316
Most of the variants have 4x ammo crits in the torso and no CASE, which explains why so few remain.

If you’re a noble’s son and your brain is incompatible with neurohelmets, do they just assign you to administrative duties instead? Or is it more of a “Get in this tank and die for your dishonor” sort of deal?

>>96319400
A lot of nobles are business or government focused. Some are just useless fops. A small time single-mech family would just start training your next sibling for it. They probably won't make them the heir over the firstborn, but it would be a factor towards that if you also turn out to be a shitheel or incompetent failson who can't do admin and socialite tasks successfully.

>>96319494
Ironically it seems that higher end nobles are actually the ones more likely to pivot to other branches of the military. They've got the connections to send their kids to proper military academies, they'll just send the one with a fucked up brain to officer school for something else. Melissa Steiner was an infantry officer. The smaller nobles who have to do internal house training probably just dump their non-mech kids on a local finishing school or hand them over to an eccentric aunt to learn how to manipulate people and navigate regional courts.

>>96319534
Tbf being an officer is a pretty cozy job since you can just command from the rear.

I made a crain, does it look like any existing repair/recovery vehicles, or I should make a custom one? And what equipment I need for field repair/recovery?

>>96319589
Generally speaking you wouldn’t use a convee for this sort of thing, mechs are far better for vehicle recovery

>>96319600
Citation fucking needed.

>>96319589
Check TRO vehicle annex iirc

>>96319589
That's a big boy crane! Do you play hexless?

>>96319600
What about field repairs then?
>>96319638
Thanks.
>>96319643
No. Originally I made this as a Necromunda terrain, so the size is a bit off.

>>96319589
If you want to go for a mech recovery vehicle they look like pic related.
That looks passable as a conventional recovery vehicle though.
>>96319600
Could you stop talking out of your ass and constantly try to mislead everyone in the general.
Fucking hell, what did battletech do to you that you hate it enough to make shitting up a general on 4chan your part time job?

>>96319114
It's actually the other way around. The Taurians famously produce a fuckton of Mauraders, Thunderbolts, Archers and Warhammers they can't use and lack flexible CV and VTOL/ASF assets.

>>96319400
99% of nobles NEVER get near the fighting. If anything they're more business and administration managers, who network and build relationships. While mechs are held to be the highest form of service, many nobels can and will do other things such as tactical command, artillery, and even in the case of Nondi Steiner be a ASF pilot.

>>96319600
The main requirement for recovery is a lift hoist, or in the case of BMR vehicles, a fluff winch and trailer capable of carrying things. Most mechs can't do much recovery other than grabbing loose arms and legs without also having infantry support and "external cargo" equipment like chains and mech-sized backpacks for said infantry to strap things to.

>>96319721
Eh, CV’s and ASF’s are far from “flexible”

>>96319638
>Mech is downed in rough terrain
>CV Crane can’t get to it
What now genius

>>96319823
You turn the heavy woods into light woods.

>>96319768
Many heirs start their career as mech officers before moving up to their daddy's office. Guys like Janos Marik who started as a Lieutenant in the Free Worlds Guards and eventually becoming the Colonel of the 1st Atrean Hussars, piloting a Rifleman his father gave him the entire time before becoming the Captain-General and handing the Rifleman over to the regiment for the next colonel to use.

>>96319823
Vehicles can move into rough terrain, learn the rules.

>>96319814
There are more mobile CV's and ASF assets anon, not everything need be Demolishers and Stuka's.

>>96320000
repair vehicle for ants' mechs I suppose

>>96320000
>Malice
WHY

>>96319308
That's the Victor for you

>>96320068
VTR-9B is fine, SSRM2s and ISMPLs are just bad.

>>96320011
Yes but CV’s and ASF’s basically universally have the dual traits of both being built for very specific jobs, and being pretty cost inefficient at those jobs.

>>96319589
IIRC all of the BattleTech recovery vehicles had integrated beds.

>>96320078
The Star League liked tossing random SSRM2s on their Royal Mechs, though less so on the MPLs.

Something like the Victor probably would have gotten a Gauss Rifle, though.

>>96320034
Because Alaric "Amaris had a lot of good ideas" Steiner-Davion-Steiner-Davion-Ward cut himself off from all production outside of the Terran core worlds and also it's supposed to be a mercenary favorite of the republic era. I dunno if that really comes across for the few people playing in the dark age, but putting it in plastic at least gives the option.

>>96320143
>alaric steiner-davion-steiner-davion

I don't know what I found this so funny.

>Amaris had a lot of good ideas

He did, though. Also some bad ones. But lots of good ones, too!

>>96320078
ISMPLs are fine for the ranges the victor is meant to work in, and lets it jump without absolutely fucking its to hit numbers.
SSRM2s are bad, but that's the star league for you.

>>96320120
They have attached trailers. They don't actually conform to the rules for trailers or lifting though. The record sheet for the BMRV and HBMRV just give them a small amount of generic cargo space and a paltry amount of armor. Their ability to pull mechs up onto the bed of the trailer and the trailer itself are purely fluff. It's not exactly a combat action anyway, so it doesn't strictly need rules, but it could do with a rules pass to at least give a time-frame for how long it takes to drag a mech carcass up onto the bed and secure it. Probably minutes at best.

>>96320162
"Y-YOU DOUBLE STEINER-DAVION!!!"

>>96320162
Almost all of his ideas were bad ideas, he was evil and stupid to the point of parody.

>>96320000
What's that up in the top right corner, an avalanche?

>>96320165
>They don't actually conform to the rules for trailers or lifting though.

That's because they all predate those rules.

streak laser
pulse autocannon
ultra XRM

>Using Berserker
>Can never hit anything with the hatchet
It bring me fathomless rage

>>96320278
The Hermes has Streak Lasers. They reduce wear and tear but you still have to dissipate the heat of charging them to fire. If a GM added collateral damage rules, they'd help with that too.

>>96320347
Streaks don't build heat if they fail to lock.

>>96320374
That's because you aren't burning the missiles fuel inside the launcher. The Hermes lasers are fully charged and holding all that energy. If they get a lock, they fire. If they don't, now you have to dissipate the heat that would have gone into the shot.

>>96320416
Then they're not streaks.

>>96320471
Then they can't be streaks because streaks are missiles. But they function the same way, not firing unless a guaranteed lock is achieved.

>>96320500
Not generating heat on a miss is one of the mechanics of streaks.

Are there any mechs that are like an updated version of the thunderbolt 5SS? Except not the 9S, I hate that mech

>>96320525
Not using ammo on a miss is also a mechanic of streaks.

>>96320563
A streak laser would certainly fulfill that requirement.

Do the non-mech portions of the military generally tend to be conscripts or volunteers? It’d fucking suck to be anything but a mech pilot during an actual war, but if your planet doesn’t have an invasion during your entire tour of duty it’s probably a pretty easy gig

>>96314506
>>96314817

Shout out to when PGI killed the comp scene with the stock only tournament
(Turns out most stock builds are complete nigger ass and the meta just turns into the like 4 stock mechs that weren't built by mech techs huffing glue)

>>96320630
Yeah, that's why you can't be allowed to choose which stock mechs you use.

>>96320164
I'd rather have 1mpl and 2x ml, it has plenty of heat sinks

>>96320278
rotary SRM
streak long tom

>>96320675
>streak long tom
They have TAG-guided artillery rounds ("Copperheads"). Does that count?

>>96320269
Wendigo

>>96318380
Wrong. Seethe as much as you like, canon is canon until the game gets a formal reboot.

>>96318931
>95% of the mechs in setting are owned by house military/large mercenary companies or private security firms
That is true now. It was absolutely not true during the early FASA days, which is the only canon that actually matters. A huge percentage of the Mechs were personally owned, which is why the entire system of Mechwarrior nobles and vassalage came about. Throw away any fluff written after 1994 and actually go read the original house books and 80s era fluff.

>>96320630
Cheat commandos? How many layers of irony is this meme on.

>>96314796
This whole post is so much cope it's hilarious. XLFEs are shit and anyone arguing in their favor doesn't play the game.

>>96314796
>You just have to not play in mindless 1-off games where nothing matters but "last man standing"
That is how Battletech always has been and always will be played. Campaigns are a joke and not a funny one. People don't really play those. The 2 map, lance on lance battle is always and will always be the only way Battletech is played, and that is what Mechs and rules should be designed around. Just kill yourself already instead of wasting your life shitposting about games nobody will ever play.

>>96318486
But they are stupid.

>>96320312
>not having weapon specialist hatchet, melee specialist, and melee master on a berserker
If you're aren't going to use the rules available to you, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Skill issue.

>>96321103
Protomechs are good because I can roll a Protomech pilot as an RPG character and drive an Eyrines, which allows me to finally be inside something shaped like a woman. Mechs can't do that.

>>96321136
Wyvern?

>>96321096
Some of the meaning lost to time. Ancient /gerg/ meme

Hatchetman, Cataphract, and Merlin are toted as the first mechs designed in centuries in 3025, what then was the last mech designed before the great dark age of the late succession wars?

>>96321557
Probably vindicator or viper.

>>96321557
There are a handful of mechs designed in the first succession war or during the star league and then put into production in the first succession war. I'm not sure if anything got designed in the 2nd or most of the 3rd though.

>>96320312
You improve the piloting skill. I prefer to kick things with it myself unless I am being cautious, then maybe the hatchet.

>>96321098
>2 map
might as well not even play with that small an area.

>>96321571
>viper
This mech basically doesnt exist. It can't be retconned into novels or sourcebooks. It's just a ghost in the machine.

>>96321637
There are a bunch of mechs that aren't in novels. Something being featured is only indicative of it being featured. It doesn't speak to its existence. TRO 3025 only features the lucky ones and some interesting unicorns. There will never be a complete list of mechs that exist.

Can you guys recommend me a mapsheet with balanced terrains? Need one for 1 mech vs. 1 mech and/or 2 mechs vs. 2 mechs tutorial/beginner games

>>96321774
>Can you guys recommend me a mapsheet with balanced terrains
No such thing, unless you flip the map and use the blank side.

How do I use the commando effectively? It's like it's made of glass, at least for me and not quite fast enough to make up for it

>>96318100
I feel like giving it an LBX/20 would be a really obvious choice though.

>>96321828
It's a cheap glass cannon. There is no 'one weird trick' that lets a 600 bv 25 tonner perform like something twice or three times the price.

>>96321977
The SLDF seems to have been uninterested in making extended range medium and small lasers, LB autocannons other than 10, Ultras other than 5, or pulse lasers with reasonable range.

>>96322026
good, because ISERs are shit

>>96322026
UAC was a failure, that why great houses got them early.

>>96318100
XL engine, Endo, 4/6/4, 14.5 tons of armor.
2x AC/20.

>>96322058
The jade falcon science department made a really, really good version seventeen years after being founded.

>>96322082
Telling us anything about the clans prior to them invading was a mistake.

Where are the issues of Mech? I've not found them in the obvious place.

>>96318100
Large pulse
AC20
2 streak SRM2
10 DHS
Max armor
Endosteel

>>96322072
Delete the XL. Nothing with an XL can be good. Ever.

>>96322146
Legitimate skill issue

>>96322146
Hmm.

Just a heads up that the new-looking Battletech stuff on preowned minis store on eBay are recasts. The one Anon that bought a BD marauder and got had was right. I never noticed anything suspicious on the BD Strikers because the sculpt is simple enough to clean perfectly before recasting. I should have suspected since they weren't lead, but weirder things have stayed in production. Other stuff had double mold lines and some cracking in areas that cooled too quickly. They are good recasts, though. This person knows more about what they're doing than Dave ever did.

So plus side, I get to weed out the previous BD Striker fakes from my collection and know somebody I'm never going to buy from again.

Negative side, gotta eat $140+the striker cost, I don't want to have the return fight. I'll see if my buddy wants them. He doesn't care as much. If not, may raffle them to you guys as prizes or offer them as a prize to a tourney or something.

>>96322306
Do you have any pictures of the issues?

>>96322306
BD?

How much of an asspull is it to say /mydudes/ have one of these?

>>96322366
If you're one of the raven, why not

>>96322366
Well, the Ravens kept manufacturing it and the fluff says that they're deploying it in small numbers in the Dark Age.

So, any time after the Jihad you could say that there's a non-zero chance to have one.

...It's still pretty ass-pully.

>>96322366
Did you salvage it or recover it during legitimate gameplay? Then it's fine.

Any other situation, it's an asspull and you should delete yourself for even considering it.

>>96322333
Battledroids, the original first first run metal minis.

>>96322366
Are /mydudes/ really /myrobes/?

>>96321557
These are all the new or 'new' chassis introduced between 2786 and 3030, as nearly as I can tell.
2787 Valkyrie, Zeus
2798 Hermes II (derivative of Hermes)
2801 Centurion
2826 Vindicator
2832 Viper (derivative of Crusader)
3010 Merlin
3018 Liberator (prototype only)
3022 Mauler (prototype only until 3038)
3023 Hatchetman
3024 Raven
3025 Cataphract (derivative of Marauder et al)
3028 Wolfhound
A couple are recent IRL additions, two others don't make it out of the prototype stage in that time period, and a few are derived from other chassis so may not meet some definitions of 'new'. By and large, the Vindicator is the end of post-Star League development in 2826, and the Merlin is the first new design after it in 3010.

>>96322331
Yep. They really are minor and easy to miss. The scorpion was also obviously not the same as in the auction because what arrived was new with sprue and the auction one was glued together.

I'll do the bulldog and the scorp. It's the most obvious there. A lot of the others, you wouldn't really guess.

>>96322561
Scorpion missile underside.

>>96321774
wtf is with the giant worm?

>>96322568
Scorpion base.

Again, these look good, and the metal mix is basically correct. I just got the 'tism about having fakes in my collection. If I want fanmade, I'll print some, and I do. But my metal uglies better be real metal uglies.

>>96322569
Hyperspace creature.

Misjumps don't happen because of physics, they happen because of space-sea-monsters.

>>96322100
CS Story Time, I think.

>>96322100
I put them in the drop box a good few threads back. Ask Snord. I can mediafire them temporarily if a couple folks want to take a look.

>>96322585
The crazy visions people have if they have jump sickness is so great for starting stories like this.

>>96322657
What story? Giant squids live in hyperspace. Simple as.

>>96322694
>Bro has never actually read the story of the Philadelphia
Sad.

>>96322694
Then how do the blakists fight them off on their secret bases in hyperspace on the surface of suns?

>>96322701
With mechs. Duh.

>>96322585
Larry Niven did this and it was by far the stupidest shit in his books. Which is saying a lot.

>>96323131
This was never in his book, this was in "Down in Flames", a story he came up with when he was getting bored of Known Space and wanted to burn it to the ground. It's apocryphal.

>>96323131
>>96323142
Here it is, btw. Too long to quote.

https://larryniven.net/?q=down-in-flames

>>96323142
Pretty sure he brought that idea back in Ringworld Throne or one of the other later ones.

Local shop's single mech sales table looks normal

>>96323131
I liked The Game of Rat and Dragon when I read it.

>>96323178
God, I hate when authors pick up 20 year old series and continue them. They're no longer the same person, and they're writing a very different series. *cough*OrsonScottCard*cough*.

...Which is fine, but don't call it the same thing.

>>96314032 (OP)
I feel like I can't make shadowhawk 2h do anything useful in Classic Battletech. I mostly just use it as bait, or to cover an assault mechs ass.
Can anyone recommend a better medium around 1060-1100 BV(succession wars only)? Definitely the first mech in my lance I'd like to replace

>>96323576
CN9-AL or HBK-4H

>>96323576
There's several Phoenix hawk variants around that range.
Wolverine 6R is 1101, it's pretty much the SHD-2H but better.

>>96323589
>>96323602
Thank you both, HBK-4H seems to be just what I'm looking for. Wolverine 6R is great too but my opponent likes to run exactly that variant and we like to avoid duplicate mechs when we can

>>96315738
>Blow out panels and wet storage are 1940's technology, it's complete nonsense that they ever became LosTech.
seems to be lostech for the russians already

>>96321311
please stop making those threads. thank you in advance.

>>96322306
Well, my buddy declined for the same autismal reasons as me. How do you boys want to shake this out? Princess match where you roll your own unit and I mail it to you? Lottery for a single anon to get the whole lot?

Sell me ideas bros. They may be fakes, but they's good ones like Black Hawk KU.

I had homemade potstickers and spicy chicken tendies for dinner tonight :3

I think I'm done this one now?

has btg been painting anything?

aahhh~ marauder-kun, why are you looking at my rear armour like that?

>>96323739
First you need to determine if anyone is even interested in sharing their contact information with some random guy on 4chan who may be from another continent or might be three towns over. Also what'd you even end up with, a bunch of counterfeit metal tanks?

>>9632388
Very good fake metal tanks. Also, I've dealt with bros here before. My very first Unseen Galleon came from a man in this very thread. I'm not afraid to share my PO Box if gents can think of something fun.,

>>96323739
I'd say spread it around, but that's going to be more effort on your end for shipping than sending everything one place.

>>96323867
She's pretty. Good job with making red and white play well together

>>96323792
Falconer is highly underrated.

Thin your paints

>>96323985
The faggot can't thin his paints, he uses a marker.

legendary warriors III arrived today. warhammer K and mad II K to add to my Hatamotochi and mauler. ultra heavy seige / assault lance.

griffin 2n is sexy. and the fucking timber wolf S model rocks.

>>96324082
The faggots Mechs are painted better than yours, so you've got no room to talk.

>>96324319
Does one having better painted mechs than another somehow make their paints thinner?

>>96324351
You don't get to talk shit unless you can prove you can do it better. Absolutely nobody has a problem with you having an opinion (even though I'm pretty sure that opinion exists only because of the person whose posting them, rather than any actual issues with the painting), as long as you keep that opinion stuck inside your own diseased head. If you want to voice it you'd better have the skill to back up your criticism. So post Mechs, secondary.

Pic unrelated

>>96323972
ty!

>>96324082
-3- I based these ones with marker yea

>>96324351
yes

what are the rules for making the mechs kiss eachother?

>>96324510
TacOps pg 134

>>96324496
>You don't get to talk shit unless you can prove you can do it better
What an absolutely moronic stance.
>you can't say a movie is boring unless you can make a better movie
>you can't say food tastes bad unless you can cook better food
>you can't say someone did anything poorly unless you can do that exact thing better
What if you're better at something than someone else? Should you then not be allowed to praise their work?
Go fuck yourself, I can criticize whoever I want for whatever reason regardless of my own ability in that field. The right to criticize something is free to all, just the same as the right to praise something.
>even though I'm pretty sure that opinion exists only because of the person whose posting them
There is more than one person posting in /btg/. I have never even called bottom a bad painter, but his paints are very obviously way too thick, it's a plain problem that has persisted since he started posting here.

>96324536
be less cranky

>>96324545
Fuck you, seethe and dilate and kill yourself. Everyone but me is shit.

>>96324545
Not an argument.
How are you even going to stop someone from criticizing something if you deem they shouldn't be allowed to?

>96324547
i think your jorts are too tight

>>96324536
Post mechs

>drawfags are gone
>paintfags can't paint
/btg/ is low effort

>>96324496
>So post Mechs, secondary.
People that make this demand without posting their own first just seem disingenuous at best.

>>96324574
At least we move three or four times as fast as /hwg/

>>96324571
No.

And your paint jobs suck.

>>96324496
Holy fuck what söy chugging fag actually saves these dogshit cartoons LMFAO go dilate you degenerate tranny fuck

>>96324608
I'd paint & post my mechs but apparently all of my fucking paints disappeared in my last move which is a real kick in the balls. 90 percent of the reason for buying AGOAC was to paint them fuckin shits

>>96324496
If manic was a writer his dialogue would probably look like this.

>>96324695
This. And empathy IS a sin. Caring about other people is for liberals and faggots, and if you think that comic is funny or clever, your both. Real men don't concern themselves with feelings.

>>96324688
A shitty paint job is better than no paint job mister nomechs

>>96324721
where are yours

>>96324707
wrong. you are commanded to be empathetic for your OWN, YOUR neighbour. YOUR brother. but commies and leftists with suicidal, stanic 'empathy' have tried for about 70 years to twist those godly words into LIES, to say it MEANS you're meant to turn the other cheek and present your daughters assholes to be raped by the hostile satanic, sinful invaders flooding your land to conquer, despoil and destroy.

Furthermore, Christian EMPATHY means to take up the sword when necessary, and kill Every single last motherfucking hostile, down to the last man woman and child, so that your people may be saved now and for the future.

read your fucking bible. it is full of times god lead his people, his faithful, to bring the sword to an intractable hostile force, to the last one.

ALWAYS as the defender. though.

/btg/, why does everything I like only get made worse over time. Not even stagnant, actively made worse than it was before.
For decades, every single franchise I enjoy gets narratively ran into the fucking ground irreparably. And when I think it can't get worse it somehow gets worse.

>>96324814
because every single franchise WAS an escape from leftoid programming and messaging. and that's VERBOTEN. its the 'long march through the institutions' that both yezmenov and solzhenitsyn defected to the west with the proof of it. and once they were done with the institutions, they started with everything else.

>>96324725
True Battletech fans use cardboard counters, as Jordan Weisman intended. Now post mechs

>>96324922

I lol'd

>>96324922
this is the response you deserve

i also got a pack of those 'battletech counters' it has a whole 'nother set of the buildings from the AS box and the trees and shit standees, plus a bunch more terrain features. quite neat for the cheap price point.

Yep, overnight /btg/ is definitely the lowest effort shitposters. Australia was a mistake.

>>96325020
/btg/ was a mistake and I wish we'd stop making threads.

>>96325020
Yeah, the people currently asleep are the problem posters

>>96325048
>we
(You) need to fuck off.

I wonder if I'll enjoy this thread more next month after I switch to night shift. No recent paint progress, but here's s picture from my last game, a Solaris themed Tag Team Brawl / ladder match.

>>96325051
They aren't stopping the inane ravings of people like >>96324732 and >>96324885, so yes, it is their fault.

>>96325164
cry more, sinner. Christ is always waiting for your repentant contrition.

>>96325164
My favorite part is how that guy probably believes his posting on a sasketchewanese igloo sculpting forum in a thread about robot designs stolen from backwards chinese girl comics will genuinely change minds and effect lasting change.

>>96324970
That's a big cannon. Is it Yen-lo-wang?

>>96325178
you will either change your mind and accept Christ or you'll be killed. So make up your mind, sinner. There's no room for artists, apostates, and the godless on this world, and with Trump on our side we're going to have a new crusade starting right here at home. Convert or die.

>>96325176
What's Christ got to do with anything? This is Blake's country.

>>96325164
>people
It's pretty clearly the one guy who's had the
>you disagree with me? YOU MUST BE KILLED
>uh you play your mecha game different? YOU SHALL BE ERADICATED
gimmick for a while now. All he does is pick a random stance on a matter and start raving. It's probably just bottom trying new gimmicks. Seems to happen whenever he doesn't get enough attention from his other posts.

>>96325051
What time is it in Australia? What time was it six hours ago?

>>96325299
wrong. >>96325206 is not me.

>>96325299
Bottom is asleep right now.

Just gotta add some decals and these two should be ready to rumble

>>96325407
What config is the one on the right?

>>96325373
Clearly wasn't 3 hours ago.

>>96325413
That’s a Mad Cat III 2, 2x medium pulse, 6x micro pulse, and 4x SRM6 with Artemis V.

>>96324574
Well with such sterling dialog as:
>>96324547
>Fuck you, seethe and dilate and kill yourself.
Can you blame us?

>>96324706
I mean you're not wrong...

>>96324732
>to say it MEANS you're meant to turn the other cheek
>>96324738
One of THE fundamental teachings of Christ!
Are you sure your not Jewish, Muslim, or Protestant?

>>96324496
I'm pretty sure the only thing I need are eyes and a functioning cerebral cortex to make the determination that this >>96325407 is infinitely better than the marker slop the tranny keeps posting

>>96323650
4H is my favorite hunchback of the era.

Well, seeing as the thread can't get any worse, I finally got around to finishing this Sunder.

Anyone actually playing battletech this weekend?

>>96326067
I usually play on weeknights, my weekends are too busy with other things for battletech. mainly painting my minis so theyre ready for battletech on weeknights

>>96325920
turn the other cheek doesn't mean 'let them fuck you up more' you god damn communist. its idiomatic of the day for getting ready for MORE incoming attacks, so you can FIGHT BACK.
for god damn 200 years at LEAST you faggots have tried to pervert the meaning of 'turn the other cheek'

>>96326097
Live by the sword, die by the sword, bitch about being stabbed...

dont want to interrupt any nihilism posting, but can anyone whose seen it tell me what to expect from Macross/Robotech? picked up a new YF-19 kit while looking for BT boxes at LGS and was thinking about watching the series.

>>96326425
>tell me what to expect from Macross
I mean that's going to depend on the series.

>>96326138
Live by the sword, Die by the sword doesn't even mean that either, you retarded faggot.

"live by the sword" means if THAT is your justice, your law, ruling despotically by the reach of your swordarm, then eventually you will
"Die by the sword" someone is going to kill your despotic ass for it.

you fucking assclown.

>>96326456
oh dear. is the the plot passable to ignore the writer's fetish?

>>96326562
It's not fetishy. Calling it a fetish show is like assuming walt disney really wanted to fuck animals. He's just the guy who made the shows that a bunch of kids got all weird about.

>>96326606
I'll give it a shot. Wasn't Walt's fault a legion of autistic kids took things too far.

>>96326562
It's not fetishized. The only alien girls shown as love interests are shrunk down to human size. In the first series, it's to spy on and assassinate the humans.

It's mostly battlestar galactica but with giants and giant robots to fight them, and also defeating them with the power of making the Grinch's heart grow two sizes that day.

Now we DO have a Giantess faggot that posts about it all the time in here and he loves fanart of the Zentradi girls for that.

>>96325179
It's just that big regularly.

>>96326536
>YOU SHOULD BE READY TO STAB EVERYONE!!!
>WHY ARE YOU STABBING ME?!

>>96326562
>>96326606
>>96326632
>>96326642
Yeah, I was actually referring to the tone of the plot; Original, Plus, Zero, and Frontier are generally more Battlestar Galactica while 7 and Delta lean into the Idol Power Cultural Victory.

>>96326798
7 is hilarious but Delta was a total fucking shitshow. Man, I can't believe I actually waited for it every week when it released.

What is your ratio of BV matched team death match pick up games to campaigns/narrative/historicals?

>>96326870
1:1, one of each a week, generally.
Tho, the campaign is a 1 pilot per player pseudo rpg sort of deal, which isn't really my jam, so I'm thinking of dropping the campaign.

>>96326870
I play with my friends and not strangers so it's like 9:1 campaign to pickup. Pickup is usually when we just want to try out new era tech or crazy things.

>>96326817
>7 is hilarious but Delta was a total fucking shitshow.
Yeah...
While I've pretty much only been exposed to the series via cultural osmosis, 7 is GOOFY but that's kind of the point, while Delta just turned into Alien Magical Girl Idols and there are Aerospace fights occasionally?

>>96326976
It's the whiny pretty boy faggot bird aliens that ruined it. Also best girl losing, but that's basically happened in everything but the OG.

Lisa is best little christmas cake.

>>96326870
Currently it's 0:0 since I've only played objective based pickup games this year. Everyone got bored of TDM pretty quickly but my schedule hasn't been consistent enough for the campaigns that are going on locally.

>>96326065
Love Sunders, very cool mech. Your red is reading a bit pink? Is that just the camera? I like using a fluorescent orange to highlight red.

Heck yeah scheme twins~

>>96325407
Very clean~! Good work! What's that bring your mech count up to?

>>96324534
Thanks

>>96327165
>Your red is reading a bit pink? Is that just the camera?
The highlights are sorta pink, but the camera+lighting is washing it out a bit as well

>>96327013
>Also best girl losing
Sheryl won though

>>96327426
That was Frontier right? Nice callback to the OG there.

>>96323390
But why?

>>96326425
Robotech is fun.

>>96326067
Played last night, playing tonight. Good fun yesterday, took like 6 hrs.

>>96327741
Why did it take so long?

>>96328076
Sounds like a Batt scale game.

>>96328076
probably using the kissing rules

>>96324922
I know you are joking, but I like those standees. They are very well made.

>>96328572
Totally need Bug Standee packs!

>Gothic started 2.5 years ago
What was going on back then, regarding BT and CGL? They were doing so good and had nothing to make and pledge to complete, enough to throw time and money away?

Marauder 5T
Marauder 7S
Warhammer 9K
Falconer 8R

thoughts?

>shitty ballooned panels and low detail
>no swappable weapons
>cheap, easily warped Chinese plastic
Give me one (1) good reason to ever get an official miniature

>>96329072
I for one think the dragon is a cutie

>>96329088
Dragon mini IS a freaking adorable chunky.

>>96329072
Shimmy will get angry if you don't.

>>96329072
I hate resin and pewter. Simple as.

So I heard the Battletech is Cassette SF? aestheticswise. How different is it from the 'rockets and rayguns' thing they're making? (Not familiar with SF sorry)

>>96329154
Cassette sci fi: 1980s technology
Rockets and rayguns: pre-70s Sco Fi, particularly Flash Gordon

>>96329185
>Flash Gordon
They're just going to copy modern Fallout, especially after "Gothic" was just straight up 40K

>>96329072
Give me one good reason why I fucking care about what you buy?

>>96329401
I haven't followed 40k in a while but I'm confident they haven't changed it to the point Gothic is a straight copy.

>>96329411
Buy?

>>96329401
Nah, the Battlemaster they showed off had a much more 1930s Art Deco look than anything from Fallout.

>>96329491
Not much shared with Liberty Prime

>>96327627
What's the actual difference anyway, did they just change the name in the English dub, or is true that they mashed a bunch of mechs anime together and called it one show?

>>96329688
They did some mashing because they needed to stretch it out to make enough episodes for syndication. But most of what they mashed up were different Macross series and Mospeada, and because the different origins had different visuals, they split it up with timeskips in Robotech. Their plot involves some elements of the original plots, but it's not the same. They made up a new mcguffin energy source for the various aliens to be coming after rather than their original motivations. Scene for scene isn't too different if you ignore the dialogue.

>>96329688
>is true that they mashed a bunch of mechs anime together and called it one show?
I believe Robotech is a Frankenstein of three Mecha Anime, looking it up quick:
The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Sister series Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross
And Genesis Climber MOSPEADA

I love medium mechs!!

>>96329732
I bet you are the kind of loser that thinks mobility matters.

>>96329717
Scratch that, it's two Super Dimension series and Mospeada. The SD series aren't in the same universe as each other, so only one of them is Macross.

>>96329724
>>96329717
huh, was it any good?

>>96329803
The Southern Cross mechs are also weird LAMs. Only instead of turning into aerospace fighters they turn into hovercraft with a super-jump capable middle form that can't really walk or remain in the air. It just jumps constantly.

>>96329745
Lots of fun, cool mechs are mediums. Clint, Crab, Centurion, Hunchback, Enforcer, Dervish

>>96329813
They're also more like Protomech size. They probably could be put in Battletech if the phrase "Protomech LAM" didn't evoke dread and disgust.

>>96329832
>Protomech LAM
Every day we draw closer to sexually identifying as an attack helicopter.

New thread!

>>96329846
>>96329846
>>96329846
>>96329846

New thread!

>>96329840
You're in luck