Thread 96314180

Let's say I have the best fantasy related ideas in the world and can create a setting incredibly interesting to a lot of people who like fantasy
But I have no other skills and am not good with words either; and as we know, in the fast-paced modern day internet, people like to consume slop-settings that are adorned with illustrations (many such cases over the last few years, such as the gay-ass trench crusade with its overdesigned s0yg0y aesthetics and that "dark soulsy" shit faux-rpg that got popular on youtube some time ago, but besides them I can't name anything else simply because I don't remember things that I don't like, these two are an exception only because of how often I came across spam about them)
What is the "quickest" way one can learn or do something with this in order to enable any kind of monteray gain?
This is not a question coming from greed but rather from desperation of someone who is living a purposeless monotonous life but is also for years barraged nearly 24/7 by ideas that have mostly nothing to do with real world applications
Pic is not related

>>96314180 (OP)
For illustrations, try to find the image generator power-users to learn sketching out starting points and fiddling with their internals so you can get usable results nearly immediately but still refine towards more normal digital art.

>>96314180 (OP)
>Let's say I have the best fantasy related ideas in the world and can create a setting incredibly interesting to a lot of people who like fantasy
In what context? Your setting is just window dressing until it's actually used with a product. Do you want to create a war game? A board game? A metal album? A DND module? A book?

>>96314233
adding on to this guy, learn anatomy so you can clean up your genned shit effectively. your op pic for example, the muscles in the legs are completely fucked. Honestly, the hardest part is form and blocking, so if you're gonna use generation to skip the bitchwork, don't specify details like your outfit. Use it as a fancy mannequin for you to work on top of.

>>96314180 (OP)

Honestly, just kill yourself.
If this was really that important to you you would have done what every other creative person has done before, and after you, and just started - irregardless of the results, skill level, nothing would have stopped you. You've already written a paragraph on why you don't want to start; any advice would be wasted on you. People like you will NEVER amount to anything.

>>96314180 (OP)
>not good with words either
Then you cant "create" the setting, can you? Imagining something and communicating your mental image to others are two different things. There are no quick and easy, third party solutions that will create for you. Not in any meaningful way.

>>96314180 (OP)
If you want to learn to do art, go check the /ic/ resources. If you put your back in it, you can learn to draw acceptably within 6 months.
Honestly though, you don't need a lot of art for a setting book, especially when you seemingly don't have a setting as much as series of vague ideas that are loosely connected? Just write your setting, maybe spring for a nice cover art, and then you can re-release with greater art later.

>>96314180 (OP)
Settings are pretty crap, anon. You can't make any money writing settings.

The only way anyone wants a setting is if you've got a hella-interesting system that relies on it, or interesting adventures that introduce it. So learn to write adventures. Then write good adventures for your setting. Then release a setting after the interest exists in it. By itself? No one is ever, and I mean EVER, going to want to read your setting.

Also let go the bitterness. That kinda attitude turns people off in seconds. Happiness is contagious, and bitterness and anger are annoying and icky.

>>96314180 (OP)
>Slop poster is unable to function normally
>Wants to get money for doing fuck all
Why am I not surprised.

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>>96315107
If you didn't understand the thread, then maybe don't answer?
Keep your "valuable input" to yourself
And you are the dumbest one by far >>96315065

>>96315126
What is there to understand? I just refuse to spoon feed a useless slopper.

>>96315126
I'm sorry that you find honest responses so infuriating, anon. But I think your response demonstrates pretty clearly that you lack the temperment to do the thing you want to. You'll need to work on that, first.

>>96315126
We understand that you're bitching about your life being purposeless and monotonous, but apparently can't be bothered to change that without the "quickest" solution being spoon fed to you by 4chan of all places. Quit day dreaming and go actually make something, anything. Then keep doing that until you're good at it.

>>96314180 (OP)
Maybe consider a life coach. Or, you know, read a book. Cause ideas are a dime a dozen, but having the will to actually do anything with those ideas needs actual motivation And if you don't even have the motivation to make a setting for the fun of it, much less to actually apply to an actual thing like a tabletop game or a book or even a web story, then trying to tell you how to "fast-track" that is is rather pointless.

>>96315126
You're asking for a get-rich-quick scheme with an untested IP. Your setting isn't going to attract people by itself. It's just an idea until it's actually tied to a tangible product. If you want a tangible product, then you have to put in work.

I can't tell you how to make that product because I don't know your skillset and from the way you speak, it sounds like you lack any drive to actually do anything. What exactly do you want from me? To tell you your setting is great? That people would pay you to use it in their own products? My impression is that you're an ideas guy who likes the idea of having a profitable IP, but lacks the drive or conviction to make it happen.

>>96315126
...I repeat:
>so you can get usable results nearly immediately
You specifically mentioned that you understand people like to consume slop-settings adorned with illustrations as context to asking what the quickest way to get to a monetizable point is. There are already people making sales with products using low-effort AIslop as the functional equivalent of free-use clip-art.

Why is directing to the higher-brow image generator users who's practices actually scale an irrelevant response? Because if you have the slightest technical competence, it should take under an hour of effort to find an appropriate model and figure out its inputs to start generating images.

>>96314180 (OP)
>I have the best ideas.
>...
>I have no other skills.
>...
>so when do I start?

>>96315126
>Please help me out and give me some advice
>No wait not like that

>>96314180 (OP)
Lets say you've come up with the best invention in the world, but you don't know how to build it or explain how it works.
Then you'd have nothing.

>>96314180 (OP)
>Let's say I have the best fantasy related ideas in the world and can create a setting incredibly interesting to a lot of people who like fantasy
>am not good with words
You're fucked. Cool settings need stuff going on in them to be worth bothering with. This is why people tend to scrape stories they like for setting details rather than fawn over settings with characters and plots they don't care about. Lacking words to describe your amazing setting is also a death knell, but it's not the most serious issue.

>desperation of someone who is living a purposeless monotonous life
>for years barraged nearly 24/7 by ideas
Surprisingly common.

The trick here is that ideas by themselves aren't very useful; they need copious effort to forge into coherent art. This means you need discipline and resolve to do tedious work on a single idea reliably over long periods of time. You have too much creativity as is, and it's already shown you that endlessly daydreaming isn't very productive. Building good habits and working hard are unglamorous and don't feel good in the moment, but what's easy and fun is often not what's prudent.

Start by picking a project. A small one, something that's manageable but cool. It can be anything- writing a novel, programming a video game, drawing a comic. You can even pick something unrelated to art, since the point is to build skills.

Then start blocking out time to work on that project. Doesn't have to start out as a lot, 20 minutes a day might be plenty, if 5 is all you can manage then do 5. You're building a habit, so regularity is more important than raw man-hours or productivity within that time. The trick is that you absolutely cannot do anything else. If you let yourself get nervous and get some quick internet to settle your nerves, you'll just act like you currently do.

If you can convince yourself to stick with this, you'll slowly build skills, both directly artistic and more general life ability.

>>96316343
If you're reading this and wondering when the bullshit stops and you can do stuff for real, there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that this is more or less how most big things get made- day by day, bit by bit, and it's tedious the whole way through.

The good news is that it gets easier and bigger over time. It's kinda like how novices and masters at a given video game tend to push more or less the same buttons, but the masters do so much more fluidly and precisely.


>>96315126
This is an ego response, and it will poison everything you do. Ego is the sensation that your worth as a person is based on your external results or reputation among others, and the associated mental gymnastics that goes into trying to feed or protect that.

In particular, it is very hard to take risks or work hard with a big ego, because it'll delay the former and scream that you're not moving fast enough on the latter. A lot of artists have huge egos and do good work anyway, but they're extremely prone to burnout and stagnation. Many wannabes never make it that far.

To erode down your ego, pay attention to when it flares up. Avoid rationalizing things to yourself, be honest and inquisitive about how you feel and why you think that is.

>>96314180 (OP)
Post your discord I'll do some rough sketches for you

>>96315126
if so many people misunderstood your post it's because you expressed yourself poorly
>am not good with words
evidently

god damn that pic is ugly
no one gives a shit about your best fantasy related ideas or your condescending ramblings about shit you don't like
all the helpful comments itt are pearls before swine and this guy >>96314889 is right
maybe stick figurines in your pooper and make an OnlyFans and if you want quick monetary gain
also there is a worldbuilding general in the catalog

>>96314180 (OP)
monstermonger here

I am looking for desperate people like me all the time.

Writers are usually great but go insane after a year or two. Artists are usually flakes and quickly run away to do stuff for b/pussy. Codedudes are usually overworked and delusional about the time they can invest in a project. Editors and layout people are expensive.

I wrote some shit and got paid doing so, can help with the wordy word-words aspect a bit.

I need to get paid at some point though, so be ready to take this seriously or I will stop replying to your messages and feel bad about it all.

>>96314180 (OP)
>What is the "quickest" way one can learn or do something with this in order to enable any kind of monteray gain?

You learn something by doing it regularly. If you enjoy worldbuilding it wont be a problem. Making money from it takes longer. Start an instagram account where you post images and snippets of text from your setting, and add a bunch of tags that relate to fantasy, worldbuilding, roleplaying games, just so your posts pop up in peoples feeds.

Build your world up one image at a time, one text at a time, and if it's any good comments and subscribers will start trickling in even when you are passive. When you have enough material you can add a patreon link in your description and see what happens. Or start submitting it to whatever creative forums you can find.
>How long? Trench crusade was concieved by two veterans of the gaming industry in 2016 and took until 2023 before they released any rules and minis
>Also don't be bitter about other peoples success. Just focus on your own thing for your sake

As for skills there are no shortcuts. Just regular practice. Want to learn how to illustrate? Buy a sketchbook or drawing pad and doodle whenever something pops into your head. Find artists who inspire you and try to mimic the basic elements of what they are doing. Want to learn how to write? Go back to a book you really liked, look at how they describe the world, what kind of details they put in their text and try to write similar things on your own setting.

It doesn't have to be pure gold from the beginning to help your ideas mature. Just do it for fun and before you know it you are sitting with a drawing you made that you can't take your eyes off of, something that came out exactly as you wanted it to. How long? A couple of months, depending on what you consider worthy of showing people. Have you ever said "man, how is summer over already"? That's how long. You just need to fill your days with something productive.

>>96314180 (OP)
Do anything to completion. The internet is full of abandoned projects, people are sick of not having an end. All popular amateur projects are the few complete ones. And if you post a WIP project, you need regular updates and it's a guaranteed success.
You can draw stickmen and dump all your ideas like a retard and it'll work out as long as you're persistent.

>>96319303
Also, >>96314889 is right. I know your kind because I suspect you're the same as me. You have a lot of cool but not very defined ideas floating in your head or in random notes spread around multiple files. Too lazy to actually invest to efforts to materialize your ideas and finish something, anything.

>>96314180 (OP)
You need to kill yourself, because idea guys are worthless. Learn how to do something creative. Any fuckass can come up with "good fantasy ideas," but it took me a year to write my first book.

>>96316355
This is it. The 4chan tg post with actual psychological advice. You've covered everything OP actually needs to hear, and I give you genuine praise, from a fellow anon who tells people how to actually solve their habits.

There is nothing more to say, and it is a testament to stupidity that the thread kept going beyond this.

I will add one more thing, though. An idea is never worthless. Statistically most people give up on their ideas. By telling OP to man up without true advice, you will merely kill another idea. You will stifle him for the sin of speaking out instead of being silent like most of us. Think on this, and perhaps grow a little.

>>96320857
>An idea is never worthless.
Ideas are always worthless unless:
1. You work your fucking ass off to deliver well on them.
2. You have the money to pay someone else to work their fucking ass off to deliver well on them.

Work is valuable. Ideas are not.

>>96317896
I'll work with you, let me get your discord

>>96320949
Complete retard
>>96316355
>>96316343
These are good posts but the contrast of their decency vs the immature n soul poisoned nature of the scum repliers in this thread makes me think that these are AI generated replies, not that I have anything against them as nowadays I'd rather talk to AI than the typical internet user. However you have assumed that my reply was driven by ego, it is not; mine is actually diminished through much introspection and real world observation. Maybe you prescribe too much weight or importance to words - then it is question to your inner realm! If anyone here is ego driven then it is the mouth-foaming bunch who feel obliged to reply to every thread whether they understand it or not, and from experience and observation I know that they are acting on assumptions.
>>96319355
U are right. I "suffer" from this for last 2-3 years.
> You have a lot of cool but not very defined ideas floating in your head or in random notes spread around multiple files. Too lazy to actually invest to efforts to materialize your ideas and finish something, anything.
I sometimes can't even sleep because I have so many ideas and really vivid images in my mind it is like waiting to cross a railroad blocked by a passing train with thousands of wagons attached, and the other side you must reach in order to fall asleep
Dont have time now as I have to go to my slave job (every day spend 3 hours on commute; and at the end of day I sometimes cant even "think", just sit like an inanimate object), but I could go on very long description of all the "unfortunes" of my hyper creative thinking & inability to do anything makes me feel; It's been a lifelong thing that caused me lots of stress from start of puberty and Im towards the end of my twenties - the inability to do shit and to let others in into the fictional worlds that are greater than most popular shit like elder scrolls or whatever (which seems to have hundreds of communitie dedicated to discussing it non

>>96314180 (OP)
You don't have to be good at writing to make a successful fantasy novel. Robert Jordan couldn't write himself out of a paper bag and Wheel of Time still is beloved, because the world building is interesting and complex, so people will overlook the garbage quality prose.

OP might legit be a schizo

>>96325065
Kek, you're a worthless piece of shit who can't take good advice and would rather drown in self pity. Only a moron would give you sympathy.

>>96325873
Autism. But the real thing, not the "internet-autism".

>>96314180 (OP)
>monteray gain

>>96325065
>vs the immature n soul poisoned nature
Again, how is pointing you towards image generator power-users a bad response? You specifically identified illustrations as a major draw, and want to make money quickly which requires a draw with relatively low overhead, learning from people who engage beyond base proompting still gets you results far faster than any normal drawing technique.

>>96325890
99.9% people are "worthless pieces of shit"
>good advice
There really hasn't been. And nobody asked for advice. Maybe you got raped in the eyes and thus do not understand what you read?

>>96325873
>>96326207
Nah. It's just an emotional intelligence and maturity thing. Look at >>96325065
>my hyper creative thinking & inability to do anything makes me feel; It's been a lifelong thing that caused me lots of stress from start of puberty and Im towards the end of my twenties - the inability to do shit and to let others in into the fictional worlds that are greater than most popular shit like elder scrolls or whatever
He genuinely doesn't realize that everyone has an active, internal life exactly as valuable as his own. It's a lack of socialization and peer-bonding. Consume endless media that makes you feel special, special, special! without having to learn skills or accomplish things. Emotional dunning-kruger.

>>96327598
>And nobody asked for advice.
This line certainly appears to be a request for advice:
>>96314180 (OP)
>What is the "quickest" way one can learn or do something with this in order to enable any kind of monteray gain?

>>96327598
Nah, most people are fine, unless you count thirdies as people.
You though? You're worthless trash, the only use you'd have is being ground up into fertilizer. You're not creative, you have no good ideas, you're just a deluded loser who wants to convince himself he has untapped worth so he can pity farm.
Whoever you leech off of to sustain your worthless life, I hope they kill you and dump you down a drain.

>>96325065
>at the end of day I sometimes cant even "think", just sit like an inanimate object
>I sometimes can't even sleep because I have so many ideas and really vivid images in my mind it is like waiting to cross a railroad blocked by a passing train with thousands of wagons attached, and the other side you must reach in order to fall asleep
If you can't think when you get home, use that time to sleep. If you can't sleep becuase you're thinking, then use that time to practice art.

>>96327787
>Randomly shitting on other people on the internet to puff yourself up
You get that you and OP are kindred spirits, right?

>>96327787
>Nah, most people are fine
Most people are under 100 IQ by definition, and there are many studies about shocking cognitive failings not even a full standard deviation below average. If I understand the terms properly, that's over a sixth of the population with some manner of genuine mental retardation.

>>96327834
People who think IQ measures intelligence don't understand what either of those things are.

>>96327803
Do explain how it's random.

>>96327834
Guessing you're in that sixth, because 1/6th is not a majority, let alone "99.9%".
Besides, despite the retard cope of faggots like >>96327845 I actually do agree that IQ doesn't measure worth. It's rarer, but I've met dumb people who are infinitely more worthwhile than almost everyone in the >100 range.

>>96327728
Have any proof that everyone has it, faggot?
Delusional trash that says such shit definitely does not go outside and interact with people
Most dont, most are blank, copy-pasted and non-individual. Hylics are real and more than likely you are one of them.
>>96327787
Another retard that doesn't go outside and experience the real world. Most people are NOT fine. Brainwashed, yes, but not fine. You have clearly never spoken to or heard conversations of other people IRL.
Hell you don't even need to go outside to realize this is the case. It is evident on "social media" such as YouTube as well.
Brain damaged little shit.

>>96327887
>Most dont, most are blank, copy-pasted and non-individual.
You really should grow out of this.

>>96327787
>You're not creative, you have no good ideas
I literally do. Some of the best ones, as I dedicate most of my waking hours to thinking about these things.
Fiction and video game design PLENTY A LOT. Some other things little.

>>96327900
Then show us your ideas right now if you have so many

>>96327899
Assume less retarded pig. I spend 3 hours on commute every day and your pic is exactly the opposite of me. Mentally I am able to envision vividly the various lives of many people that I observe. They can live colorful lives that have different variables to them.
I've spoken to more people than I would like and there are VERY few people that have anything interesting to say, both IRL and on the internet.
You however are teenager scum who is desperately trying to prove someone wrong. That's all there is to you. I'm guessing you are traumatized from being "categorized" at some point in your life

>>96327887
Kek, imagine saying anyone doesn't go outside when you're such a useless piece of shit you can't even do anything but screech for pity. Kill yourself and spare some oxygen the indignity of being used up on you.

>>96327845
Then what's YOUR explanation for the correlations like the breakfast question? It doesn't "properly" measure some ideal overall "intelligence" as an immutable characteristic fit for eugenics programs, but it does definitely measure achieved cognitive abilities and the aggregate tracks with quite a bit.

>>96327866
>Guessing you're in that sixth, because 1/6th is not a majority, let alone "99.9%".
Over a sixth having genuine mental retardation indicates vastly more than one-sixth not being fine. Adding in things like holding-pattern NEETs, bullshit job holders padding HR metrics, the bureaucracy expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy, and sundry other industrialized wastes of time and breeching 50% of people being net negatives on society or so profoundly wasting their potential as to be equivalent to such is hardly difficult.

>>96327900
Hotboxing your own farts has no guarantee of good results, you must have a systematic approach that actually tests the ideas against SOMETHING to converge on SOME kind of quality.

>>96327887
nta, but may I ask what kind of experience you have "outside"? The church I attend, the social club I volunteer for, the clients I work with, they all have their own interesting stories. While it's true most aren't making their own fantasy worlds, their interests simply differ from mine. I'm the only one in my circle who draws and sculpts, and I do so to express this inner world I create. I don't think less of the others for not being artists.

>>96327900
Lmao no, you got nothing. Your thoughts are a scattered mess of the blandest shittiest most unmotivating and uninspiring garbage possible. There's a reason you don't bother putting in any effort: You know everything you've ever conceived sucks.

>>96327935
>Over a sixth having genuine mental retardation indicates
Cope and project moar.
It's under 3% btw, not one sixth. You're so worthless you can't even do basic math.

>>96327925
>You however are teenager scum who is desperately trying to prove someone wrong. That's all there is to you. I'm guessing you are traumatized from being "categorized" at some point in your life
I'm genuinely trying to get through to you. You've got the same "psuedo-autism" that's currently being defined in the literature. It's something that a whole lot of young men have these days. It's what's leading to such rapid declines in employment and education among young, white men. It does worry and sadden me. I know you can't, right now. Your defenses are up. You don't have anything you do to feel proud of, so all your sense of personal worth is connected to your identity. So you're deeply invested in the angry screeds you're typing, here. When you've calmed down, try reflecting. Try empathizing with others. Realize you're roughly the same as everyone else. Realize you're not special, unless you do something special. Then go try to do something good, or at least well.

>>96327967
So many assumptions. That's all you may ever do.

>>96327915
This, please.

>>96327957
...The "Standard Deviation" is generally considered 15 points, with two-thirds of the population within one from 100. This leaves one-third between the rest of the range, divide in two and one-sixth "should" be more than one standard deviation below the defined average of 100. "Mental retardation" has long left formal medical use with the colloquialism including specific cognitive failures like the breakfast question and autism.

Do I have to get out the screencaps and Paint to show how I came to this conclusion and how I'm using the terms?

>>96327967
It's impossible to get through to retarded narcissists like this. We'd be better off if they were all dead.

>>96327998
>Starts coping again
Hey retard, you can literally look it up, since you can't do basic math. Once you've done that kill yourself.

Ahem.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/ustat/ustat0301-01.htm
"The vast majority of people in the United States have I.Q.s between 80 and 120, with an I.Q. of 100 considered average. To be diagnosed as having mental retardation, a person must have an I.Q. below 70-75, i.e. significantly below average. If a person scores below 70 on a properly administered and scored I.Q. test, he or she is in the bottom 2 percent of the American population10 and meets the first condition necessary to be defined as having mental retardation."

You're in that bottom 2 percent, don't (you) me faggot.

>>96327994
Trying to insult me isn't going to make you feel better, anon. Five minutes from now, you'll be the exact same. The reason you've insulted every response in this entire thread is because you're trying to deflect from the inevitable conclusion that the thing you need work on? Is you.

>>96328048
...Yeah, I'm going to just quote myself:
>>96327834
>and there are many studies about shocking cognitive failings not even a full standard deviation below average.
>>96327998
>"Mental retardation" has long left formal medical use with the colloquialism including specific cognitive failures like the breakfast question and autism.

It is immensely bullshit to assert a definition that renders the claim invalid by moving the statistical goalpoast AFTER the meaning the argument is actually using is clarified. Your "disproof" is categorically invalid because it's actually a semantic argument.

>>96328058
Refer to this post ---> >>96315126

Keep your "much needed" advice to yourself, teenager.
You WANT everyone to be a non-individual because you are hurt. It's how you convinced yourself you will have your "revenge".

>>96328167
Well, good luck, anon. I hope you can pull out of it. When you calm down, try reading some of that advice you're so angry about.

Traditional games

I'd also love to see some of OP's ideas. I bet they're just great.

>>96328422
He is just going to claim he's unable to get them across due to lack of communication skills.

>>96328501
To be fair, he does seem to lack communication skills.

>>96314180 (OP)

Christ, can the summer holiday please be over so all you little shits go back to your state mandated prisons.

>>96328520
I really wanted to hear his ideas :(

>>96328552
>guy says he is nearing the end of his twenties
>AI concludes he is between 20 and 29
Whatever would we do without this marvelous technology?

>Complains about jewish conspiracy nonsense
>Admits to having no creative power
>Immediately wants to get into it for money and not love of the game
Your projection is wild and there is a reason why you're a failure, you lack the human spirit required to create things or the drive to better yourself.
Make sure, go to the amateur game dev thread, read, make, learn, edit, repeat.
Also learn to fucking spell.

>>96327900
>I think about things a lot
>I however cannot put them into words
If you lack the capacity to formulate sentences beyond asking how to slop-out in the market I don't believe you'll ever amount to anything.
Give examples or fuck off.

>>96314180 (OP)
Why did you choose 4chan for this question?

>>96314180 (OP)
>I have no other skills and am not good with words either
You're fucked. The whole point of any rulebook or setting guide is to inspire people. Writing and art exist to create a tone and mood. Without that, the setting is going to be boring and/or forgotten because GMs need a setting that inspires them to make stuff up on the fly.
If you want to convey ideas for worldbuilding and such, you're better off writing a blog.

But if you're actually serious, you should start learning to write. Read books on the topic, and then start writing. Short stories, novels, even wiki entries or incomplete chapters. What matters most is that you keep trying new things and keep practicing.

>>96316343
Beat me to it.

>>96327925
>I've spoken to more people than I would like and there are VERY few people that have anything interesting to say, both IRL and on the internet.
You're just a boring misanthrope who overestimates his self worth. You're the same person you're looking down on in your imagination. You've failed to communicate anything of value or say anything interesting in this entire thread.