Thread 96323098

If you don't kill off players' characters for doing reprehensibly dumb and reckless shit, you're a bad DM/GM. Fight me.

Sorry what I can't hear you

boobies :)

>>96323098 (OP)
>this is what wizards fear

Players who are encouraged to be reckless and open to unconventional ideas are more exciting and interesting players. While repurcussions and failures are important to make big risks actual risks, quick death tends to be an extreme that DMs shouldn't employ as some kind of judmental punishment, but rather as part of the larger tone and structure of the game.

>>96323359
The pure and authentic Cestree poster speaks the truth.
>>96323098 (OP)
The reprehensible slopposter speaks only retarded lies.

>>96323098 (OP)
>>96323359
What if we, like, let the dice decide, man?

>>96323098 (OP)
Back to your AI Slop thread, faggot.

>>96323423
What if C. A. T. really spelled dog?

>>96323424
>ugly troon hating beautiful women he will never be able to even remotely resemble, because he's a fuck ugly gooner scrub

>>96323359
>Just be stupid, bruh. It's like creative n shieet when I smoke a joint, bruh.
No.

>>96323359
What would it take for you to become encouraged to work on your art?

>>96323642
Have sex, trooncel.

>>96323098 (OP)
Ok, but why the soft porn image?

>>96323642
dead meme

>>96323098 (OP)
So you're saying i should storyshit?

>>96323728
no,storycum

>>96323098 (OP)
I agree in the sense that if you don't establish firm consequences for actions then Players won't care about your game.
Just don't fall into an adversarial mindset. Players should not be treated as the GM's opponents.

>>96323359
Local retard strings together several coherent sentences and gives actual good advice. Big day for /tg/.

>>96323098 (OP)
Stop shitting up the board slopfag

>>96323463
A character that's often stupid and reckless is not necessarily a bad character.

>>96323098 (OP)
It depends in how stupid, reckless and good-for-the-story shit is (and the dice helps too)

>>96323098 (OP)
If you are unable to come up with any consequence other than death, you're a bad GM.

>>96323842
He suffered the consequences of his attitude.

>>96323359
I come to TG for posts like this.
Good art, good advice. It's best to find a balance between encouraging fun and risky behavior because otherwise it's no fun, and encouraging creativity and cunning.
That's a great anime girl and I gotta find more of her, looks like she's probably as old as the board is.
OP's slop lacks character and love.

>>96324042
Nah, he just got really unlucky and kissed a cursed girl. Could happen to anyone.

>>96323823
>Local retard strings together several coherent sentences and gives actual good advice. Big day for /tg/.
It's obviously a chatgpt answer
>>96323642
The art is AI generated too so it would take improvements in AI tech.

>>96323098 (OP)

Consequences for bad actions is good.

The only consequence being death signifies your utter failure as a GM.

>>96324921
All games with hit points are literally death-centric. To claim otherwise is weakminded faggotry.

Anyone that fails to recognize this reality is just engaging in a very gay circle jerk in a faggy echochamber of pure jizz and not actually playing said games as intended.

>>96323359
>>96324052
Samfag

>>96323424
>wrinkles at the armpits
>boobs squished correctly by the pseudo-bra
>buildings don't have nonsensical geometry
I don't think that's AI.

>>96323728
Fuck off PBTA faggot.

>>96325344
It's definitely ai, just look at the oversized, off-center lantern in the back. It also has the ai gloss on everything.

>>96323681
>>96323691
Art=not worked on.

>>96325497
Or just look at the fucking hand.

>>96325344
I was going to point to the armpits as a dead giveaway of that AI's style, plus the creasing of the belly and just the overall look of the shading. It's particular to this style but it's a really incestuous pool they're drawing from now so many of the 'amateur' gens look exactly like this. There's also the even more obvious tells of gobbeldygook jewelry and accessories, broken teeth, broken irises, etc. You'd have to be a genuine retard, a shill, or have never seen another piece of generative art to think this was legit.

>>96325519
Or this, she's got melty hand. People suck at drawing hands, but they don't merge them like The Thing. Long story short kill AI 'artists' on sight.

>>96325304
>"There are hit points, so the game is about death."
Okay.

"There are saving throws, so the game is about being paralyzed."

"There are skill checks, so the game is about falling 100 feet."

>>96323098 (OP)
Better yet, have reckless action of one character kill another.

>>96323098 (OP)
> All games should be about tactical planning and smart goal achievement
Just play GURPS, it tends to attract people with tism

>>96323098 (OP)
Since this thread is shit anyways, what are the more obnoxious character concepts that are still playable. I'm thinking a druid that cannot be bothered to move it's ass to adventure and has pic kind of attitude. something that is like a liability not mechanical but in a narrative kind of way

>>96326463
turboslut bard is a classic

>>96325519
There's a hand?

>>96323098 (OP)
sloppa

>>96323359
>basic bitch empty advice
Work on your art.

>>96326232
>retarded take
Why do you even breath?

>>96323098 (OP)
>slop post
>slop opinion

>>96327181
You self described perfectly.

>>96324000
If you are unable to allow dice rolls and the game itself to come up with any consequence, you're a bad GM.

>>96323098 (OP)
I mean, I would, if killing them was a sensible consequence for whatever they did. But I don't run any games where players are incentivized to behave that way. In fact, because I work hard on group communication and setting expectations, I would be pretty blind-sided if someone suddenly went way off the rails, far outside the realm of things I expect to have to give them consequences for. And that's not to say they never surprise me, and sometimes I have to create heavy answers to what they've done.

>>96326463
Can't agree. The 'do nothing' character is essentially unplayable, as it won't do anything by definition.

The religious fundamentalist in a party where they aren't all of that religion is a functional character concept, even if absurdly obnoxious when taken to its natural conclusion. As is a political ideologue. Or really any mover and shaker type character that the party isn't 100% onboard with.

A do-nothing character is essentially out-of-character begging the player to break character to do something. A do-something character can at least be played around, shuffling them away from situations that wouldn't work well with them around, and keeping them in on situations where they can helpfully contribute.

>>96328086
>no u!@?!?!~?!?!?@!
Why are AIsloppers so unoriginal?

>>96327106
If you wish to argue, then explain your point, or I shall mock you like the frenchman from monty python and the holy grail.

>>96323359
You might think you are being interesting but you end up just being this video, predictable and LCD.
https://youtu.be/em7hwLutvHg

>>96323098 (OP)
Player characters die of the rules of your game say so.

>>96323359
Work on your art and also play actual games.

>>96329764
>screams "NO, YOU!!!!!!" into the void

This thread wouldn't deserve any answers if not for the lust-provoking sloppa. Otherwise, OP should be beaten with sticks.

>>96323098 (OP)
>If you don't kill off players' characters for doing reprehensibly dumb and reckless shit
I do, welp, I let rolls decide; they usually do it so reckless they die

>>96323098 (OP)
I just tell players what their characters should know about the risks they are taking. Usually, reprehensibly dumb and reckless shit is being done because the player misunderstood the situation or wasn't paying attention.

>>96323098 (OP)
I give them a chance to die within reason
But the dice and mechanics will decide their fate

They are cruel yet also unpredictable, they also have luck points but only a small margin of them

>>96332211
Also this

>>96326463
This >>96326475
At the end of the day, they need to act. There are plenty of media examples of characters who will go out of their way in order to avoid doing something. Don't want to fold laundry? Tame an otter and have him do it. But that secondary task is far more arduous than the initial task, and it would've been so much simpler and faster to 'eat the frog' and get it done and over with.
Alternatively, the character needs to have a conscience. Where they'll fight the task, but at the end of the day, they know it's important and resign themselves to doing it.
There are ways to make this character work, but I've been nogames for awhile now, so no anecdotes to share.

I used to take ridiculous risks playing a level OSR 1 character because if he died I’d just roll another one and that was fun for me. But when we started playing 5e, it became very hard to die, and I got stuck with a character in an experience so boring that I made an excuse and quit.

>>96323359
>so randumb is actually good, you can't kill players for being suicidal
Awful take. Reckless players aren't more interesting, they're just more annoying. Clever players are more interesting

>>96333811
you sound like my friends they constantly do this
>roll the craziest meme characters
>take barely anything seriously, except retarded NPC's, which they will treat like their best friends until they sacrifice them
>they always die in the most spectacular fashion and make a big deal out of it every time
>roll new characters in mere minutes and jump back in

>>96335046
Oh hey, we must have the same friends.

>>96334987
You're conflating randumb with reckless, and imagining clever players can't also be reckless.

>>96323098 (OP)
> Intelligence is rewarded, stupidity is punished.
Oh you sweet, sweet summer child, I hope you never have to grow up.

>>96336728
Clever players aren't reckless. That's the point

>>96323098 (OP)
This is the kind of thing you really should only have to do once.

>>96323098 (OP)
you can only spring the threat of death on players if they fully understand what they're doing.

have you truly communicated to your players the consequences of insulting the Fae Queen to her face?
d0j2rr

>>96337457
a clever player can play a reckless character tho

>>96325353
Storyshitter

>>96323448
>anyone who doesn't validate my emotional dependance on hyperstimulating cartoon porn must be some kind of freak weirdo evil person

>>96323098 (OP)
why can't real women have bodies like that and love me back

>>96342899
>why
They do, when they aren't pounding back beer and chips.
>love me back
Women only ever love themselves.
What you want is a true lady.
True ladies no longer exist.
Just bitchy women.

>>96323098 (OP)
>came for the near-naked lady
>stayed because I agree with the OP argument
Yeah, its the "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes" type of deal.

if Kyle can't stop himself from trying to murder every important NPC, then eventually it won't be just jail sentence, it'll be a Ray of Desintegration, no save, from a wand, crumple your character sheet, rolland new one, unrelated to the last one, you keep doing your stupid shit, you get the boot, I mean it Kyle, I'll fucking tell your mother you keep being a shit-heel and she'll fucking tear you a new one, Kyle, I got her word on it.

>>96323359
nice try but difficulty is what breeds creativity, not lenience. People don't change and improve if they aren't challenged to do so

>>96323098 (OP)
If you play every NPC smart, then you are a bad DM. Most NPCs in fact should not be smart, which makes the smart ones stick out even more. Fight me.

>>96323359
Exactly. The most retarded way to punish players is to use the law. That's boring. Law and "le Guards" shouldn't be this universally present force in the world. You are rather uncreative, if that's your only punishment for your players. A fantasy world should allow for freedom and not take place in a modern bureaucratic world. Why would the local count execute rowdy adventurers in a tavern for starting a brawl, if he can use them instead?