Thread 96338763

Mechanical Steed edition

>Resources:
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WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:
>>96313229

>Thread Question:
Which model(s) do you want to be (re)introduced to your armies?

Did you end up buying any of the MTO bretonnian stuff?

Anyone ever combined the plastic Cold One Knights with a Fell Beast from the Winged Nazgul kit to make a Dreadlord of Black Dragon?

>>96338691
It's a wyvern, not a dragon. A proper WH dragon should have 4 legs and a long snout. You could try using one of the newer plastic ones or the big resin FW ones if you don't like the official kit.

>>96338789
That doesn't really answer my question at all, but thanks love.

>>96338789
>It's a wyvern, not a dragon.
Wyverns are dragons though.

>>96338772
No
You can still buy them for another 18 hours

>>96338763 (OP)
>Mechasteed
>Skycutter
Are these objectively bad minis or do they just not fit the setting?

>>96338813
They're not true dragons, their species diverged really far back. Same with merwyrms and other wingless species. Elves specifically only ride true dragons because of their long-time bond.

>>96338784
the fell beast is a bit small, which is to say that warhammer heroes riding on top of it don't look as proportioned as the ringwraith, but perhaps the problem is lessened with a dark elf knight instead of, say, some huge chaos warrior which is sometimes been attempted with

>>96338789
in warhammer there are dragon species without the extra forelimbs or dragon species without the wings.
that's on top of the existence of wyverns as distant cousins of dragonkind.

>>96338831
TRVKE incoming: they both fit the setting and are great models. Whiny cunts should stop complaining and leave warhammer for some mudcore misery porn setting instead of being butthurt about them.

>>96338835
dark elves are riding artificially bred and altered dragons.
look at this little armless dude.

>>96338853
That's not a real baby dragon, iirc it's some other reptile native to the new world.

>>96338831
The skycutter is a very bad design for a skyboat, it cut too many corners to fit on the type of sprue they wantyed so it ends up not looking like a boat anymore.

The mechanical steed is not a bad design and it does fit the setting, but there were better designs for it and it was a big departure from what is actually in the miniature range so it ends up not fitting the range
There's a certain disconnection between the empire range and the empire setting as described and depicted past 6th edition, whether you want to say the depictions and descriptions past 6th don't fit and aren't true warhammer is up to you, but I don't think is the crux of the discussion when people point specifically to the steed and not to the art/fluff.

>>96338831
>>96338847
The Skycutter works well enough for the High Elves even if it looks somewhat silly. The mechanised horse is bad and just doesn't work if it were more like the concept art by David Gallagher, it would have been better, as that would have been a steampunk moterbike no wierder or out of left field than the Steamtank, rather than a weird robot with mechanical leg articulation.

>>96338871
No, it's a baby dragon, it was described as such by the sculptor when commenting on the white dwarf that presented that wave of miniatures.
The point was to show the fluff about dark elves not having the relatively large reserve of old sleeping dragons that ulthuan has (of which only a few are awake and they use as mounts), and instead have a breeding program for black dragons, which ends up meaning they have relatively many dragonlings around (of which only a few are mature enough to use as mounts)

it was the same for the 6th ed dark elf cold ones rider champion

>>96338906
>inb4 that art has 4 limbs
the mini didn't
the point is that you can have your dragons however you want

If I build the Empire General as Karl Franz, can his mini accommodate the lance? Or will I need to do some clipping.

>>96338933

You'll either need to take his right arm off and give him the puffy sleeve, or cut the top of the lance off and pin it to either the Ghal Maraz or Runefang hands with a new bottom piece. I'd recommend pinning!

New AJs pre order next week. This time for real.

Cathay enthusiasts, where are you getting Chinesey basing stuff? Stone lanterns, those little red foot bridges, Chinese stuff to make the Sentinel and Lantern bases a little less bare.

>>96339042
They still haven't revealed all the new kits coming with those Journals yet

>>96339055
Because there will be no other kits

>>96339122

Bare minimum there are old DoW Pikemen getting remounted for Settra's Fury

How's this idea for a VC list? I feel like it's a little light but double casting invokation of nekhet should help make up for the squishiness although I'm a bit worried about the knights' ability to survive I can't afford to add the drakenhof banner even with five models so I figure six bodies helps a bit.

++ Characters [392 pts] ++
Vampire Count [392 pts]
(Hand weapon, Heavy armour, Level 2 Wizard, General, Nightmare, Sword of Kings, Sceptre of De Noirot, Master of the Black Arts, Dark Acolyte, Dark Magic)

++ Core Units [314 pts] ++
24 Skeleton Warriors [125 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Standard bearer)

24 Skeleton Warriors [125 pts]
(Hand weapons, Light armour, Shields, Standard bearer)

8 Dire Wolves [64 pts]
(Claws and fangs (Hand weapons))

++ Special Units [60 pts] ++
4 Fell Bats [60 pts]
(Claws and fangs (Hand weapons))

++ Rare Units [234 pts] ++
6 Blood Knights [234 pts]
(Hand weapons, Lances, Iron-shod hooves, Heavy armour, Shields, Barding)

>>96339122
>>96339133
A new Marienburg Captain is very possible too

>>96339206

Based on what, the fact Storm Dragon is set in Westerland?

>>96339223
Tangentially related to this,
Why the fuck would a Cathay player want to ally in Empire units.
I don't think there is anything the empire has to offer, unit wise, that Cathay needs or wants, besides maybe the demi grif knights. Cathay was better artillery, better infantry, balloons, sentinels, better and cheaper heroes... Maybe a wizard? So basically you just need the wizards and maybe demigrif knights. And before someone says hand gunners, BS based shooting is shit (unless it's in the fucking balloons, where it is complete horseshit).
Wasting points on empire just seems like a way to actively nerf yourself for little gain.

>>96339249

>Why the fuck would a Cathay player want to ally in Empire units.

Floof and variety WAACfag

I can also see skirmishing archers being a useful thing for Cathay

>>96339249
Cathay has like three units so probably some variety.

>>96339249
Anything cool looking.
Would actually like to take greatswords or riflemen.

>>96339042
Maybe we just had two weeks of 40k and AoS, so of the revealed stuff that's going to get released, we have
>HH MKII Assault Squad + AJ for HH
>kill team Death Watch vs Necrons
>II book and new models
>AoS Chorfs + underworld warbands
>40k Space Marine characters and boxes
>Necromunda Pallantine Guard models and book
>MESBG models and book
>TOW books and models
>BL books
So there are a lot of things GW could release next week that they have already shown off, some of these releases will be in the same week.

>>96339050
I'm racist against chinese

>>96339223
It's specifically an army of infamy representing allied Cathay and Marienburg forces. They have done multiple Marienburg captains in the past, so I think it's reasonable to assume that Marienburg Captains will be in the AJ. And at that point, why not do a nice new resin character model?
>>96339249
>Why the fuck would a Cathay player want to ally in Empire units.
Maybe they got bored building the same five kits?

>>96339391

Here is your Marienburg Captain anon. What do you think you are asking for subfaction specific variants, a fucking Space Marine player?

Maybe a MTO of old Marienburgers things ?

>>96339391
No one plays Warhammer because they like building the kits it's a means to an end. If you liked building kits you would be doing Gundam, historical tanks, ships, etc

>>96339299
Balloons are better by an inconceivable degree

>>96339482
>skirmishing archer facing line of cathayan balloons.jpg

>>96339479
I find simple kids to be cathartic, I can get into an almost assembly line structure without having to reference instructions constantly which I find annoying and tedious. If I wanted to build shit complex enough to require instructions I'd buy and assemble more furniture I could use.

>>96338836
I was worried about the scale difference but the Cold One Knight rider isn't a massive, bulky bastard like you said so I'm hoping it evens out.

>>96338910
>>96338906
Look at that fella, total chad. I miss the 6e Dark Elf models and regret not getting some as a kid

After feedback, I came up with this O&G 500 list.

Orc & Goblin Tribes [496 pts]
Warhammer: The Old World, Orc & Goblin Tribes, Open War

Orc Bigboss, Great weapon, General, Dead 'Ard Armour - 94
16 Orc Mob, Shields, Big 'Uns, Full Command - 145
16 Orc Mob, Full Command - 97
10 Orc Mob, Warbows - 50
5 Orc Boar Boy Mob, Cavalry spears, Heavy armour, Shields, Full Command - 110

Thoughts?

Dropped the Goblins and Troll to add more melee efficiency and decent ranged support

>>96339249
Cathay has no ranged infantry or skirmishers

>>96339482
Balloons fill an entirely different role. You can't use balloons to screen.

>>96339479
If you're buying the kits just to play warhammer and not because you like the kits you're a dumbass.

>>96339793
This is so true. Similarly if you're playing this game (or any other game) just so you get to play and you don't enjoy it... wtf are you even doing.

>>96338789
>It's a wyvern, not a dragon.
Here we go with this troon again.

>>96339847
He's still right.

How good are dwarves in a fist fight

>>96340049
not good enough to break your nose, but you better have your nads protected by a codpiece

>>96340049
Good, but orges are better

Cathay
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ceirqemh/sunday-preview-miao-ying-raises-a-storm-in-the-old-world/

>>96340117
Not sure I like the transfer sheet all that much, maybe if it wasn't just for armies from the Northern Provinces

>>96340117
>cathay
I sleep

>>96340136
At least the preyton is finally coming out

>>96340117
Finally!

>>96340117
There's your fucking preyton.
Now what's gonna be the next white whale?

>>96340145
a new faction people actually want

>>96338772
I spent my hobby money this month on Neptunia 3, so can't.

>>96339050
I don't.

>>96340117
they announce mo yangs price yet?

>>96340192
*monkey paw curls*
Enjoy your russians.

>>96340219
he said a faction people actually want

>>96340220
GW would only fuck up Amazons and Kislev is cool.

>>96340216
It will leak either later tonight or tomorrow at the latest

>>96338772
what a slut

>>96340216
>an oath of loyalty to the CCP
>or £200

>>96340049
It depends. In many novels it's described that taking a dwarf one on one without weapons is either suicide or a really really bad idea.

Of course how much to believe BL novels is up to you.

>>96340117
finally, miao ying :3

>>96340241
id gladly pay both

>>96340256
finally some trans representation

>>96340333
we already have that with elves and slaanesh

>>96340368
can they transform though?

>javgoro was wrong about the release date of the cathay book
>”u-uhh my source said it was coming out in 3 weeks but it seems we somehow both forgot about sunday previews haha woops”
what a hack retard lmao why do people believe this lying cold reading fag, he just vagueposts then pulls shit out of his ass as a defense whenever he is disproven

>>96340374
daemonettes for sure

>>96340389
GW releases can change on a whim, with things either being pulled forward or delayed for no reason whatsoever, like if the HH box set was better received, I'm sure the separate release of all that stuff would have been later in the year.
So while I do think that guy is full of shit and making up stuff for his own amusement, I wouldn't blame a genuine leaker for getting a weekly release wrong.

>>96338789
DnD player please go.

>>96340415
his excuse was quite literally that he “forgot sunday preview” was a thing which pushed the leak estimation back a few weeks, as if sunday preview being added to the mix somehow alters a release date? lmao

>>96340117
Preyton anon doesn’t have to kill himself over his generic monster now

>>96339479
I like building the kits

>>96340253
That's probably one of the many many reasons orcs like fighting them.

>>96340545
But he did sacrifice a lot of Gors into the Tamiya Thin in the meantime
Shame he never posted any footage of that

>>96340557
>Tamiya Thin
the what?

>>96340592
>tourist spotted.

>>96340592
Tamiya Extra Thin*
A couple of weeks ago, the Preyton anon said he would sacrifice some of his Gor models into a pot to turn them into Spruce Goo.

>>96338763 (OP)

>TQ

skirmishing marauders with javelins would be neat and thematic I believe. Maybe warbows for marauder horsemen too.

>>96340600
I don't get it, why not just use putty instead of hazardous alchemy?

>>96340631
As proof of devotion, obviously. I bet you burn crops as offerings instead of livestock.

>>96340631
People make spruce goo as it cheap and easy way to recycle unused spruce

>>96340706
Sprue anon, sprue. Spruce is a type of tree.

>>96340741
spurce resin is a type of goo, spruce goo even

So how is it compared to 2e or 4e? What does it do differently and does it do it good?

>>96338763 (OP)
That horrible shitty art.
and TQ, let's get those old plastic troops back again, much better looking than the 8th ed state troops

>>96340816
Im not the target audience

>>96340201
>Neptunia 3
PS3 or Vita?

Man, I really thought they'd have a couple other kits left to reveal that would release alongside Dawn of the Storm Dragon. Even just something like resin kits for a named Magistrate character and some Marienburg guy

I'm sure people will come up with cool conversions to represent the Empire mercenaries you can now run with them, but right now it feels like such an obvious stop gap, something released purely so Cathay players can have more options than just "A normal list" or "Too many lanterns"

Maybe the rules will be super fluffy and thematic, but right now I'm disappointed.

>>96340904
>right now I'm disappointed.
I’ve been disappointed since their reveal.

>>96340240
lmao

>>96340901
Switch.

I'm planning on building an Empire army themed as being devoted to Myrmidia with the paint scheme based on the Knights of the Blazing Sun. Since the Order shares it's primary colors and symbols with Averland besides the gold armor, is there anything I can do to try and differentiate the two a little more? Or am I just being too nitpicky?

>>96340816
it is much less crunchy than any WFRP edition it's Magic and corruption systems are kinda interesting, but lack stuff like mutation tables, The Wond table is good, but WFRP 2e and 4e do it better.

>>96340935
>The Illogical Watch towers of Middenland

>>96340949
why it illogical mister

>>96340816
It's based more on 40k Wrath & Glory/AoS Soulbound so its more of a lighter system with dicepools.

You still got WFRP stuff like careers and 4e's downtime system and combat is pretty deadly.

>>96340949
It's just the Towers you can buy from GW, done in Middenland and Tablaabheim colours

>>96340914
Their reveal was great, love the kits (except building the Sentinel, jesus christ) everything we got was good.

But it's not enough. If this had been wave 1, and then like 6 months later they released wave 2 with some pikemen, shooty Jade Warriors, and another character? Absolutely fantastic. That would be, IMO, just enough to be going on with. We'd all be eagerly awaiting wave 3 next edition, but at least you'd be able to play around with things.

Instead Cathay has four fucking kits and OP rules to try to distract players from the fact that they have no options.

>>96340931
Make the black on the Knights blacker and the yellow yellower. Like, the knights have black armor, the Averland guys are just a dark grey. Dark enough so if you look at one of the guys by itself you'd say he's wearing black, but then when you put him next to the knight there's a visible difference.
The sun on the knight standard is eye-searing yellow, the sun on the guys banner is a little orangeyer
Knight weapns are shinier than guy weapons
and so on
Basically, just make the knights nicer looking

>>96340928
At least you did not buy it on PC. You are absolved.

>>96340955
>No raods leading to them,
>No way to get horses or mass of troops across
>The waterway is in no way protected by them, nor can they act as toll station
>Entry to them is by a small door atop stairs, no way a wagon can go across.
>Canons and lifts are poistionnned in a way that the canon can only be facing the other tower somehow rather than the river.
Middenland's tower is way too high as if that ladder's the only way to get in.

>>96340963
Idk. The entire range was a disappointment for me. I thought the cannons were the only real highlight, the dragon and the ballon are neat but I’m gonna proxy em with thinks that catch my eye more.

>>96340816
ffs I can't find anyone who wants to play whfrp, so why split the limited playerbase?

>>96341031
I'm pretty sure those are all on purpose, they clearly don't like or trust each other so they have only a small passage for diplomats and meets and the like, so they made it too small for an invasion force to cross and the cannons are a warning to the other side. Typical state/noble house Empire shit. Also how do you know there isn't an entrance on the other side of the tower?

anyone here use or have experience with any Frostgrave/North Star models? a guy at my local uses pic rel instead of gors

>>96341652
I like them, very easy to mix kits together.

>>96341311
Right, so diplomats meet in some abandonned towers, in the middle of nowhere, with no roads leading to them, to discuss..what exactly? Where will the diplomat sleep? His retinue and guards? It's a watch tower, not a grant inn nor a palace.
You're finding excuses for the artist, it is an illogical drawing with zero thoughts put to make it actually realist.
Here's some more of that modern 'WFRP' ''''art''''

>>96341031
>No raods leading to them
You can clearly see that there's a road leading from the more distant tower (shitty dirt road, but a road nonetheless).

>No way to get horses or mass of troops across
I mean you door looks large enough for a horse to be able to get through, and bridges don' exist solely to march mass troops across lol.

>The waterway is in no way protected by them, nor can they act as toll station
I don't see how they aren't able to protect the water way, and they aren't detailed enough time be able to tell if they could collect tolls or not.

>Entry to them is by a small door atop stairs, no way a wagon can go across.
Okay?

>Canons and lifts are poistionnned in a way that the canon can only be facing the other tower somehow rather than the river.

I mean both towers do sport different colors and flags, could be a small border post.

>>96340125
It's nice but I'm not sure I want to make a Meow force

>>96340143
About damn time!

Do you guys mind people posting hobby updates, batreps etc. about the WHFB setting being played with non-WHFB rules?

Naturally, I wouldn't be posting antagonising shit like here's why I like X rules over TOW.

>>96341777
Yeah, it's completely fine. There was a guy in here who used to play his games using historical figures to represent the empire and used a different ruleset to play warhammer fantasy

>>96340216
its 120€ / 185$

>>96341738
It's better than the core rulebook for 4e, which isn't saying much, but there are some decent bits of art in the book

>>96340240
> Average Warhammer consumer, colorized, as he pays for decades old trash MTO sculpts

>>96339592
Please advice fellow Greenskins

>>96341665
any models or ranges in particular you like? I’m trying to find some alternatives for beastmen units w/ no models like harpies, warped gors, etc

>>96340333
> The female dragon can turn into a female human
> Disgusting trannies: SHE IS JUST LIKE ME!!!!

>>96340550
But building the kits isn't the end unto itself. You don't play Warhammer to build the kits.

>>96341738
> Yes, a mediocre picture of several fat ugly woman of various Warhammer races.
> This, THIS will get the female audience!

>>96341865
It's a 500 point game anon who gives a fuck. You, or your opponent will more likely lose in deployment or due to who gets to go first.
Just build and paint your shit

>>96341871
please stop making up stuff to be mad about

>>96341865
The list is fine is anon

>>96340253
The average Cathayian peasant could easily match, if not overcome, any dwarf in a brawl anon.

>>96341915
> Literally anything happens that the general populace is excited for
> Trannies: ThIs Is TrAnS RePrEnTaTiOn!!!!!!!! Yasssssss Queeensss!!!

>>96339592
how much are shamans costed for greenskins? maybe take one of those and drop some of your normal orcs and leave the big uns?

>>96341777
Perryfag did that and he was annoying and gay. Don't be like that.

>>96339592
Tbh I would have kept the troll and goblins for painting & gameplay variety and to avoid burning out on painting orcs in your first 500 points. Then you can paint a second brick of orcs if you decide to expand to 1000. But in terms of gameplay your original list or this list are both fine, you'd be better off just making a start now lad

>>96341862
Kek

>>96341967
Thanks man. I guess I will co pilot both and decide from there.

>>96341947
60 points, its a fair bit. Not bad but hurts the blocks.

>>96341925
Thanks anon.

>>96341908
I don't have anything yet man. I am going to play with both and if I am happy, then I burn money. Main reason I ask is, TOW is expensive so got to make sure I don't burn cash needlessly.

>>96341777
I think it depends how far along the scale you go between pure whfb and nothing to do with whfb...
>Whfb minis, whfb rules: obviously fine
>Whfb minis with a different rank and flank ruleset: fine imo, as long as the focus is on the minis
>3rd party minis with whfb rules: fine, especially if the minis fit the Warhammer aesthetic but if not then focus more on the batreps maybe
>3rd party minis that don't look anything like Warhammer, playing a game system that isn't anything like whfb, but "it's set in the Warhammer fantasy setting": not for this thread imo. Especially not if it's some round based perryfag-adjacent shit

>>96341738
They ride in off the beaten track because the lords don't want to officially talk, talk in the middle of the bridge over the river as the neutral territory and then they ride back.

It's not that hard.

>>96342004
Then just buy the battalion box and a war boss and paint it all.

>>96341777
Just do it in /awg/ if it's not WHFB/TOW then it doesn't belong here
If you want to post your painted Warhammer WHFB/TOW models here, go crazy, this place barely ever has WIPs and basically never has WIPs of quality work so nice painted minis would be great

>>96342441
>Everyone's paint jobs are shit
post models then.

>>96340240
Kek

>>96341915
NTA, but the Total War discord is really like that.

>>96342764
Who gives a shit
I'm not looking forward to the inevitable influx of tourists when the second aj releases and it will be more cathaywank

>>96342764
>caring about faggot ass greasy vidya trannies
They aren't in muh LGS so I don't give a hoot. 41% of them sort themselves out and the remainder will probably play AoS or 40gay Tyranids or nu-D&D or something, if they bother to into /tg/ at all. I pray AoS stays supported so they stay contained in sissy faggot game.

I have a want to piss and shit over everything. What's the standard bunga list for beastmen

>>96342798
i am at least curioes what Gw mean when they say
>A War in the Westerland section contains terrain generation rules for the Wasteland and Shadowlands
Isn't terrain generation just random scatter terrain?
Also it's nice we are finally getting full campaign rules in that AJ

>>96342844
>pray AoS stays supported so they stay contained in sissy faggot game.
But anon. They’re already here. They can’t deny the sovl that old metals provide to their axe wounds.

>>96342844
im trans lol whats da big deal chudder youre probably fat and smell bad i dont judge

>>96342933
You’re so brave. I hope we get more of you in this hobby!!!

>>96341862
Lol
>>96342152
>Build a tower and a bridge over a river at extra expense due to its remoteness
>Keep it manned at additional expense
>For unofficial meetings and missives you could have anywhere
It's still retarded. Stop white knighting shitty artists. Lol
>>96341777
If you're worried about it post it in AWG and link it here for interested people to read.

>>96342844
>tfw TOW is barely alive at FLGS
>Tranny doing weekly AoS spearhead demos on TOW night

>>96342865

Don't know about typical but here's my 1k list.

>General Doombull
>Shaman
>10 Gors
>6 minotaurs
>Ghorgon

Unga fuckin bunga

>>96342964
A lot of noble spending habits in the Empire doesn't make sense, and maybe it's out of the way for a reason. I'm just pointing out reasons that would make sense in universe, you sound like you just want to be mad at it for the sake of being mad. But that's not my problem anymore, peace.

>>96342973
You are getting outdone by a tranny. Where are your demo games.

>>96343116
You sound like you're coping, But that's not my problem anymore.

>>96343116
Indeed, it could also be that the artist simply did not think muhc about it as well, but like you said, not my problem, I ain't going to buy it, but I'm going to have it still.

>>96340389
So true, we should start cannibalizing people who follow his bullshit

>>96343128
>Where are your demo games.
I uh, left them in my other pants.

>>96342988
That's some fucking Unga but might be lacking in bunga

>>96338784
No but that is a great idea

Warrior-Priest WIP, with shield, holy relic and a small mount of heads with a magic sword in it (Barrakul)

>>96340991
Oh no, I meant the KotBS scheme on my units other than the Knights.

>>96341273
I'm assuming it's GW pushing to have an RPG system for all of their big setting games. That's probably why C7 is doing The Horus Heresy RPG now.

>>96340240
That’s how they make their horses the best on the battlefield.

>>96340904
Told you.
If you read the community articles, you would have known there wouldn't be any other new miniatures for this AJ.

So I was talking to someone yesterday about the Arcane Journals. We are of the opinion that instead of cranking out a new edition and army books every few years they just release AJ's.

>>96344236
I don’t hate it, certainly would make reintroducing dark elves, vamps, etc easier: just put out a journal that features them and put the old ranges up for sale. piece of cake really

>>96344236
Honestly, it seems like a good way for GW to keep their player base happy and make more money easier.

If they keep making new editions, then they have to update all the army books and either scrap all the AoI or update them too.

If they just keep releasing arcane journals, then they're more likely draw people into factions they weren't interested in before through the AoI and thus sell more models.

>>96344670
but new editions sell more, freshen the meta more, and while we're nowhere close to that, there must a limit to the number of journals they can make, keep in production and feasibly have for each army before people get frustrated with bookkeeping

>>96344736
>freshen the meta more
Just a note that if they made a truly balanced ruleset for the game (which is well within their power to do) then there would be no need to 'freshen the meta'

>>96344794
shaking a perfect meta with a flawed but different meta drives sales all the same
it's sad, but they have more incentives to have change for change's sake than aiming for an ideal

debating which horse to use for my old school vampires, gonna have all the blood dragons in a unit

>>96344871
use the older steed, if you want to make it extra special, give him a big base with some fancy diorama or tactical rock

>>96344524
legacy factions will never be reintroduced.
the sooner you can accept that, the better for your mental health

>>96344834
Yeah that was the subtext in my point really, they could make a balanced meta but they don't and I think it's worth calling them out on that when the discussion comes up, as otherwise people stop noticing it

>>96344889
Why wouldn't they be? The expensive part of development is already done, now they just have to find the moulds somewhere and fire them up. People are already playing legacy factions, it's just that they're buying 3rd party (or from AoS), why wouldn't they want to cash in on that. It's pretty telling that aos for the past 3 years has focused on updating older ranges, and has even started separating unit names between systems where possible (eg barrow guard and knights vs grave guard and black knights)

>>96344925
they wont because they are and always will be in AoS. you wont get them for TOW

>>96344944
I'm sure they will be in aos, it's not a beastman situation (except maybe dark elves). But I think it's a fairly easy and obvious route for expansion for tow, again the models and lore and whatever have already been paid for, now it's just a matter of selling them. Vampire counts are like a top 3 army in popularity already, you think they don't want to cash in on that? [/spoiler] I also play aos, so your dumb consolewar ragebaiting doesn't really apply [/spoiler]

>>96345002
>fucked up the spoiler
Well fuck, anyway you get my point

Some progress on the terrain pieces

>>96344944
I haven't got a dog in this fight because I prefer 6th edition anyway, but will note that whether or not something makes it from AoS to TOW seems to be on a per-model basis, not a per-faction basis. See:
>warriors of chaos being fully represented in TOW but with zero crossover in kits with AoS
>empire models getting slightly delayed for TOW while they finished retiring them from cities of sigmar
>beastmen being a faction in ravening hordes but being the only army without any photographic representation in the rulebook, because they were still on sale for AoS at the time
>squigs having unit profiles but not having any models available and no photographs of them anywhere in TOW because they're AoS kits
So it is plausible that legacy armies could appear in TOW so long as there's no model crossover. It'll be interesting to watch what happens with VC as their last few whfb kits were retired from AoS recently (grave guard, zombie dragon, etc).

How the heck are you supposed to paint these bases? The flying stands have a flat base themselves that covers a good amount of the base. Do you prime the base, then glue on the flying stand, and then brush paint over the stand's base?

>>96344794
this will never happen (willingly) it is against their best interest

they want to sell shit, they only care about meta and rules as means to sell more books and models
they will keep the ball rolling the same way it has been

>>96345323
hey buddy I think you got the wrong door; the leather club's two blocks down

>>96345275
The zombie dragon actually survived the most recent round of squatting, against all odds. It's alive and well :) in the recent ghoul battletome. Agree with your overall point though.
>>96345323
Might wanna post this in aosg my friend

>>96345336
oh shoot, thanks

>>96345323
You just mask the stands and glue the dude on later

>>96345372
...are great

>>96345380
...for melting.

>>96345449
Why are they melting the model with paint still on it?

>>96344871
Modern. It's suitably impressive, can't have your general riding a fucking pony.

new addition to the zombie horde for some added diversity for a grand total of 87 zombies.

>>96340143
>Huge model
>Resin
I'm guessing about $80-$100 price point for a shitty unit you'll use once and then never bring again.

I like the model though and will buy it.

>>96345275
Neither zombie dragon nor black knight kit were removed.
They didn't even remove the zombie dragon build option from the datasheets you just have the new bigger revenant as a separate thing and you can run both

>>96345571
The black knight kit is technically still around because hexwraiths are, but black knights themselves got replaced by barrow knights in the gravelords tome

>>96344871
Too bad vampires are shit

>>96345519
>>Huge model
what base size do you think is that?

>>96345571
>Neither zombie dragon nor black knight kit were removed
But everyone was expecting that and everything will keep expecting that next time around.

>>96345575
It's a count has necro anyway

>>96345643
You shouldn't put him inside a unit then, it'll make him vulnerable, prevent him from casting spells and from using invocation of nehek.

>>96345661
He won't be just trailing behind, worded it wrong. It's just an aesthetic question. I got 5 of the old blood knights and all the retro blood dragon gonna make them all blood knights. Just thinking about mounts for the retro models

>>96345478
It's from the film "The Patriot" (ft.Mel Gibson).
In it Mel's character melts his dead son's army to make musket bullets.

Are there any kits that feature bellows? (The big pumping things that make a forge hotter) I am thinking about making a custom warmachine for my chorfs

>>96345614
Everyone was expecting that because their build options were split between different armies, so when they updated one everyone assumed the whole thing will go.
Turns out GW decided giving new dedicated kit to 1 side and letting the other keep the old one is enough

is there any in-setting information about how dwarfs are meant to go to war? do they just line up a whole bunch of thunderers in the front, then retire them behind warriors, or what?

>>96345802
nighthaunt have no use for the black knights parts of the hexwraith kit
ghouls have no use of the vampire lord parts of the zombie dragon kit

there's no way in hell gw will keep on having these outdated kits like this long term

>>96345763
the fyreslayer pizza oven has one on the back

>>96345763
Anvil of Doom kit, but that a metal kit

>>96345814
Grudgelore, I think, has a section on that.
Failing that, you might find something in the WFRP books like Stone and Steel, Archives of Empire vol 1, or the recent player guide and GM books for 4e.

>>96344889
the old dark elves models are already being phased out of the ‘cities of sigmar’ lineup. there’s basically no reason to do so if they aren’t going to TOW ala the beastmen

Does anyone have a cleaner version of this map?

>>96345954
are they? I thought dark elves were the only part of cities that was staying (for now)

>>96338772

Yes, I bought five sets of spearmen, three bowmen, and a Halberdier (Which will sit in the front rank of my spearmen). I should have enough infantry for basically anything now. I already had all the command sections (And in fact some of the alternates that they didnt offer as well). This was obviously very expensive and is basically my hobby budget gone for a while.

In other news: I would like to create some brick bases for an (Marienburg themed) Empire Project that I plan to work on on-and-off while I'm doing my Brets. Anyone got some suggestions for this? I was considering one of the GreenStuffWorld rollers or something, but perhaps there are other options as well. I have some pourable resin so if there are some nice moulds for base toppers or something of the sort, that would be suitable. My brets are on forest (or wheat field?) bases, but i'm still working it all out there.

My fellow Druchii players, behold my BSB.
On another hand, any ideas for the banner symbol are welcome.

Anyone knows where can I get the 6th edition Shadow Warriors? Meaning any recasters that have them. No need to mention the full name, just the initials, by the way.
I don't really like the plastic kit, they look like dummies. Also my first actual model was one of those metal SW with some kind of mask that looked so cool. Swapped it in for a MESBG figure back in 2002-3, and years later I regretted it.

>>96346040
Great work, but knowing nothing about the army, unit or this dude makes it difficult to come up with anything for the banner.

>>96345967
You reminded me of the project i was going to do just before end times ruined my motivation. I was going to make a 500 pt list of empire done completely in English Pith with foreign Legion outfits. Could be a fun side project now.

>>96345967
The greenstuff/millput on base with a texture roller works well enough.
Another way is just making small squares and rectangles of plasticard and just sticking on the base also works

Anyone know where this chaos dwarf sorcerer is from? I can't find him in any of the old catalogues, defaulting to fan commission.

>>96346102
MF has 3 of them, and some of the ones from 7th

>>96346330

I'd look forward to seeing it!

>>96346350

I'm leaning towards the texture roller approach, I'm not confident that I can get a good result using plasticard without a lot of shaping effort. I'm also looking to see if anyone just sells a big bag of resin bricks, though the issue is they sort of want to be half thickness and fairly small to actually look decent on a base. w8wha

>>96346510
I think you can buy big bags of foam bricks from places and then cut them up some more for variety

>>96346467
Russian Alternative miniatures, Dwarf of Fire Canyon 2

>>96346580
Thanks m8. Appears OOP. Such a shame, beautiful minis.

>>96342933
>youre probably fat and smell bad
You've literally just described 99% of your own kind. Unless you're one those flaming bottom twinks who got snipped to land more dudes you're no different.

>>96346477
Thanks anon! Just checked and he doesn't have the one with the face cover, sadly, but that'll do.

>>96346642

I think scans (can't vouch for their quality as I didn't print them) used to be available on cults3d.

>>96346792
Yes, I found what appear to be resin recasts, but I prefer metal to that or plastic. They truly are a cursed army to collect.

>>96346642
No worries man, I went on a bit of a chorf research spree a couple months ago and found the RA models then. Yeah they're discontinued, but as >>96346792 says, you can find the STLs online still for most of the range (I haven't found the one you posted though)

>>96346102
OSF has some.

Do you think these guys could fit as Empire Militia proxies with some minor kitbashing?

What feature from another game would you add to WFB if you could?

I would add the order system from Warmaster to make your leaders more than just crumpy gits. It would also singlehandedly drive away competitive players.

>>96347028
I fear they don't really look like empire with top hats especially but maybe if they are representing a city mob? Or some nuln school rioters?
And I'd

>>96347074
Whoops misclick
I'd remove the rifle ones or make sure they are only a few as FCM have 2 weapons

Newfag anon once again coming back to fantasy (Only managed atm getting minis, no set or rulebook)

>Siege weapon question
So we no longer guess the shot? It's an instant hit with only the missfire being the negative?

>>96347028
I think we already had this conversation
I think you should change the hats

>>96347137
>So we no longer guess the shot?
Cannons do still. But with unrestricted measurements it wouldn't make sense. That said, I really hate you can't choose where to aim bombards. It's only middle of unit.

>>96342933
Fucking love the old goblin models

They have their own charm

>>96347183
Interesting... Thanks anon

So i presume the other siege weapons (Rocket barrage, giant crossbow, flame-spewer) have their own army rules or same as the old rulebook?

>>96347074
Oh no, the top hats are definitely getting replaced, it's more of their clothing I'm a worried about. These won't be mixed with actual Militia troops but I'd like for them to be apparent that's what they are and not look too out of place with their clothes.

>>96347038
A short, comprehensive rulebook so I could convince my friends to play.

>>96347243
Also
Square bases
Right?

>>96345027
Finished my terrain pieces

>>96347518
I can now make mini dioramas when combining everything I have made.
Man I love this hobby.

>>96347395
But of course

>>96347518
>citadel water pot

>>96347530
Pretty sleek anon, are those rocks all XPS?

>>96347530
>can make diorama
>out of actually WHFB related stuff
You are a king amongst men, a beastlord amongst ungors

>>96347222
Barrage is same as bombard now too. I forget how bolt throwers worked in older editions but now they are just a ranged attack with the ability "through and through" which I do like. I think flame spewer is the same, but uses d6 instead of artillery die now. I'm really not sure on that one though cause I never played an army with spewers. Fire breath I think changed to be too good now cause it just has to start on front side and doesn't need to be entirely in front arc. Some one please correct me if I'm wrong on these, as I'm sure they will come up in one of my games eventually

>>96347660
Yes, they are all made out of the pink XPS foam, glued onto the thinnest masonite board I could find, then I just glued some sand onto the bases, painted the ground to look like my model bases and did the rocks.
Here's a closeup on the rock with the runes as well, I used the page on the dark tongue found in the AJ to write the stuff on here, so some of it can be interpreted.

>>96347684
>bolt throwers worked in older editions but now they are just a ranged attack with the ability "through and through" which I do like.
They were like that before as well. I never understood why cannons got keep their gamey ass sniping rules for so long when they should have just been treated as S10 bolt throwers that misfire on 1s or something.

>>96347530
Nice. You're a true hobbyist Anon. I wish had more people as engaged in the hobby as you are.

>>96347038
Double turn from aos

>>96347038

Yeah command friction would be good, driving away sweaty disgusting subhuman competitive players would be the cherry on top.

>>96347038
The Legion Imperialis alternating unit activations

>>96345755
With which avenge him by killing the soldiers that shot him.

What a great fucking movie.

>>96345883
I want that kit now for my Tilean dwarfs. It actually looks like a pizza oven, it'd make for a great addition.

Any miniatures of dwarfs cooking pizza or baking bread out there?

>>96348413
yeah in the Dwarf player guide.
it has about a page on Dwarf Cuisine practice and beer

>>96345965
From off the wiki, by the resolution is shit.

>>96345519
Are chariots also "huge models" anon?

>>96347038
Simultaneous turns.

>>96348466
No I meant actual miniatures/models.
From anywhere, they most definitely don't have to necessarily be from GW.

>>96348475
So a lot of these are obviously based on real life germanic tribes and stuff (endals = vandals, brigundians = burgundians, ostagoths and ostrogoths etc). But what are the unberogen referencing ?

>>96348413
Reaper has "tub the dwarf baker"
It should be pretty easy to convert any spear dwarf to have a pizza paddle.

>>96348708
Man. Now I want to make Tilean dwarves so I can have a pizza oven Anvil of Doom.

Maybe some broken spaghetti slayers..

>>96345965
On the Spanish wiki, some maps are in higher resolution and larger.

>>96342964
>governments misusing money to pay for completely unnecessary things???? How unrealistic!

>>96348913
But it is Spanish

>>96347137
>>Siege weapon question
>So we no longer guess the shot? It's an instant hit with only the missfire being the negative?

No? Artillery still scatters and cannons have a random distance for their bounces

Might be a better question for /grog/ but I was wondering if any of there were any older editions that are worth picking up the rules for a fun change of pace?

>>96348990
Would you prefer it to be in Russian?

>>96348946
Cope

>>96349026
5th unironically

>>96349099
Greek personally, if we're going for a non-Latin European alphabet.

>>96349176
Spanish is a better language

>>96348475
>>96348913
Pity.
I tried to do a collage with bits a pieces of it (plus a shitty attempt of AI upscalling)

>>96348708
What a lovely moderates, that's perfect! Thank you!

And yes, I have a few dwarfs with various polearms that I was thinking of converting. The main issue is that they're still in armour and often wearing an helmet.

>>96348788
I mean... I have been building and painting my dwarf collection as tilean since 2019. Most of the heavywork is done outside of the miniatures: I wrote (and keep writing) tons of fluff for them. History, geography, economy, clans, guilds and tribes. The fun part is coming up with punny Tilean names for units and heroes.
There's very little in terms of miniatures that scream "Tilean" except perhaps a few 4th edition and 3rd party reinassance dwarfs.

What I'm trying to say is... if you really like the idea and it woidl motivate to paint models go for it.

>>96348990
is you are from the usa you should say 'gracias' every time the spanish are mentioned

>>96349102
Seethe

Anons, do you know of any fan-made lists that let you play Chaos as it was in previous editions (namely 6th) where you could use mortals, demons, and beasts at the same time in TOW? I know it wouldn't be difficult to houserule, I'm just wondering if anyone has done it already. I don't really get why they changed that, it was the best and it would likely lead to people buying more minis to flesh out the segments of their combined army

>>96348653
seems like a corruption of the german word for hungarian which is “ungarn”

>>96348653
Unbearable.

I hate this trend on maps of the Empire to put the Moot in the bottom east triangle of Stirland instead of it's actual place at the confluence of the Blue Reach and the Aver. The whole point of the place is that it's inconvenient, don't just put them in a convenient little triangle off to the side.

>>96349959
I don’t care the empire maps at all. It’s fucking stupid.

>>96347530
Sick.

Here's the trolls I just finished on display.

>>96349977
You also can't speak English, thirdie.

>>96350064
Hell yeah, what's that background building, a kit or 3d print?

Anyone have scans or anything of the TOWRPG books? Curious to run a game of that

>>96349026
I will always and forever play 6th edition as it was the best and last edition before GW turned to shit. As a concession to slightly streamlined rules and better magic I will also play 7th edition whfb with 6th edition armybooks.

Has anyone done a chaos army themed around dragon ogres? Like the dragon ogres + shaggoth are the mainstay of the army and then there's chaos warriors with a storm theme to them, like they worship the dragon ogres as embodiments of the chaos powers?

>>96350823
I feel that would not only be more thematic, but also directly feasible in a beastmen list.

>>96350851
Hmmm maybe but don't you think chaos warriors in a night lords style scheme would look pretty sexy?

>>96350890
Probably, but I'm already doing slaanesh beastwomen myself. This is my Ghorgon

>>96350960
wip i hope

map of Lustria or the southern lands please.

>>96343116
>I'm just pointing out reasons that would make sense in universe, you sound like you just want to be mad at it for the sake of being mad
This is literally just you coping, trying way too had to defend a called out piece of nonsense while appealing to triviality

>>96351042
Go here for maps: http://gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow.html

Does blue-and-green-Dwarf anon post here still? I'd love to see his models again for inspo.

>>96351122
>huahuan desert
wait, did lord hua hua did that?

>>96351183
the geomantic web network in the lizardmen maps is a funny thing assuming the maps are mercator projections

>>96349026
4th and 5th are fun because of the bright imagery, wealth of magic items, and the magic system is cool too. Crown of command on youtube does lots of good 4th/5th content
6th edition plays really well, brought the focus back to infantry and cavalry after the hero-centric 5th edition but without the huge hordes of 8th edition. Magic phase is better than TOW in my opinion, and the rules are generally pretty tight, and every army got a book in this edition iirc so it's nice for that reason too. 7th rules with 6th army books is good for an extra tidying up of the ruleset without the broken army books of 7th
And although I've not played it yet, Warhammer renaissance is a combination of the best bits of all of the above, and freely available online. Looks pretty good imo, worth a try if you're looking to branch out

I wish we had more fluff and attention regarding the Colonies of the Old World factions in other places, like Sudenburg or Port Reaver.

>>96351656
Sigmars Heirs has a bit on LeopoldHeim, an imperial penal colony in the Southlands.

What can you guys tell me about the 3 Battles of Black Fire Pass?

>>96351938
They happened at black fire pass, I guess.

>>96351951
All 3 times in fact!

>>96350540
It's a cheap castle toy.
I need to paint it but honestly it's pretty far back on my to-do list.

>>96351656
>I wish we had more fluff
Why? You can just make it up.

>>96351988
>You can just make it up.
Yeah, but it's not canonical and consensually recognised.

>>96352007
Eww.
Why would you want that?
Your personal interpretation is bound to be better then corporate nu-slop.

>>96351975
Well maybe not the second, that one might the battle for black firepass, not blackfire pass

>>96352037
nta, the same reason you play warhammer fantasy and not you own fucking game with your own fucking lore
because having a common frame of reference that people already know makes it easier to engage with other people

>>96351009
Nope, I'm just a shitty painter. Ain't getting better either cause my hands shake more and more every year and I'm colorblind. I have up on that 30 years ago. I just paint for fun.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/harhjltg/old-world-almanack-what-prompts-the-stoic-miao-ying-to-travel-to-the-old-world/
some AI written empty bullshit about why cathay leaves for the old world

>>96352399
Chaos dragon kit when?

>>96352399
Do my eyes spy warpfire dragons influences?

>>96352399
Shame would rather have had an article about the crunch of the book rather than dumb Cathay wank Fluff

>>96352399
God whoever wrote this needs to be taken out back

>wall is manned by veterans because of the scale of threat
>replace them all with recruits and have her leave

>she can fly at lighting speed across Cathay
>make a big deal about how she can’t leave her post for five seconds
I hate Cathaywank so much

>>96352131
It's good to have a shared setting in broad strokes but specifics being left largely open is more fun for headcanon and custom armies. Whose in charge of the colonies? You want it to be your expert duelist baron/general kitted out with melee weapons? Great! As a brief example. Gaps in lore are perfect for players to fill with their own armies. Personally my favourite armies are ones that cabonically exist but have next to no lore except a name and maybe a paint scheme and some vague "they are known for some general style of warfare or type of behaviour or mannerism."

I remember there being a statement along the lines of "the warhammer world is more infused with magic than most worlds in warhammer 40k" in one of the older rulebooks but I can't find it. Does anyone remember which one it was?

>>96352399
thank god china is here to save the world

>>96352556
if one were to rationalise things better for five seconds, the problem wouldn't be leaving her post as much as leaving her post because her brother is telling her to, at a time when allegedly the brothers are squabbling between each other and vying for control of a cathay divided by the absence of the emperor and empress

but no, that shit isn't here

why is the empire so incompetent and needs to be saved by superior cathay?

>>96352599
when have germoids done anything but try to destroy all civilization?

>>96352573
not many rulebooks said things explicitly like that, maybe realm of chaos or the 3rd edition fantasy book, but I doubt it

there's this old internal document though

>>96352399
>Their first triumph is upon the Sea of Claws, where her fleet wins a crushing victory against a tide of Norscan raiding ships who are totally unprepared for the aerial fusillade from massed Sky Lanterns.
Will we get TOW Man o War before we get a new version of Battlefleet Gothic?

>>96352599
why did they need a Chinese sensitivity team for the development of Cathay?

>>96352613
this must've been it, thanks

>>96352599
If it's any comfort TWWH has the opposite with Galt helping put down Cathayan rebels.

>>96352616
we won't get either, the specialist team has toyed with titanicus, aeronautica and now legion imperialis, and it all seems like an exercise in futility, more than a thriving game

>>96352399
Man that is a lot of dashes

>>96352624
I dont need any comfort but I feel bad for empire players.
their faction can never win on their own. always need outside help. be it dwarves, elfs or chinese.

>>96352659
I actually think that's a rather unique feature of empire. Unlike all the other armies the empire is actively NOT xenophobic and is shown to be advancing regardless of the enormous number of setbacks presented to it. Hell, if they could I bet they'd allow goblins to work for them if they would cooperate.

>>96352556
Recruits can hold walls easily.
Miao can move quickly, her army cannot.

>>96352399
Miao is so badass

>>96352399
Yin-Yin mentioned!

>>96352821
>>96352824
Herro ferrow chinamen

>>96352821
>>96352399
>At times, the Celestial Dragon’s children have ventured west to strike friendships with kings, queens, and emperors.

>>96352777
goblins working for good is an underplayed theme

I do no care for Cathay and I continue to be embarrassed I was fond of the prospect of them. What a fucking humiliation ritual.

>>96353121
Dont be ashamed anon we all make mistakes

>>96352638
Honestly I think GW just don't have that self belief any more to do "here's a micro-armour game" or "Check out the (space) boats" or the like. Whether it's due to historical sales figures, an internal doctrine about numbers of miniature lines or whatever, but I don't get that impression of "let's do the show right here" swagger that they USED to have - or at least fake that they did.

>>96353398
Didn't one specialist game (Dreadfleet?) get a literal public execution by bonfire?

>>96353421
It certainly bombed, but as I recall it was as much a failure of what it WASN'T - what was hoped for was Man O War 2. What we got was a ... passable boardgame (only had two games of it many many years ago). If there were any theatrics about disposing of any unsold stock I don't remember; it's been how long now?

>>96353121
I don't mind it, I just find the execution bland as shit. Compare it to the Empire and Bretonnia. The Empire is clearly 16th to 16th Century Holy Roman Empire. It matches that in lore and appearance of their units. Bretonnia likewise is clearly Arthurian myth mixed with some shit covered Monty Python style peasants, they have knights on quests, ladies riding side saddle, and shit covered peasants who only the most humble of nobles will even fight alongside. Meanwhile Cathay is just vague, generic, bargain bin China. Their only real units are cavalry and infantry with nothing particularly Chinese about them besides their armour which looks kinda Chinese, the only thing which would let someone instantly recognize their influence is dragons. It's not like hot air balloons or giant animated statues tend to be associated with China.

Also I think Araby would be a better choice than Cathay if it wasn't for Chink money. It's closer to the general setting of the games and could thus reasonably (and canonically did) fight with Bretonnia and the Empire and it gives Tomb Kings a human faction to deal with without something like "Someone pissed off Settra so he traveled halfway across the world to calm his fragile ego."

>>96353562
>Araby
Agreed. Cause at minimum it could give one unique kind of trait with camel cavalry having cause fear(light and heavy cavalry). Camels apparently freak horses out pretty badly.

>>96353421
dreadfleet wouldn't have bombed if it was a more sandboxy game that contained more factions where everyone could have taken their own ship for their own faction and played more freeform scenarios, from alliances to free for all

the main vampire count ship was shit and should have been replaced by a dark elf ark, the norscan ship was shit and should have been replaced by a bretonnian vessel, the undead sea monsters and scenery were shit and occupied plastic sprues that could have been used for more ships (orcs and chaos and lizards, tilea), and instead replaced by tokens and cardboard for normal game purposes

>>96353589
horses aren't the only steeds in this game

>>96353635
Sure, but it's an abstraction to make them have something interesting and just make them fucked up warhammer camels.

>>96353643
that's not interesting, it's just dumb

having long rifles while on a steed that could also possibly be a vanguard or scout or ambushing unit is already more than enough, if you want to give them special-special rules give them something that complement their role as light cavalry or what they should evoke when you imagine them in the desert, like some magical bullshit that creates mirages so they always look farther away for the enemy than they actually are or some shit

>>96353562
I’m not gonna lie anon, brettonia itself is blander than Cathay in all respects even as a fully fleshed out faction now.
Cathay is a disappointment however.

>>96352399
So of all siblings, Yuan Bo picks the BUSIEST one to go on leave to the other side of the world?
Why not the literal sea dragon that is always fucking around the world? Just let her do the job. God, the fucking mental gymnastics to throw us the postergirl character in the campaign.

>>96353727
I could see it as Yuan Bo manipulating his sister so he has greater control of Cathay while she is out on a Wild goose chase in the Old World, meanwhile he solidified his control for the upcoming civil War that is about to happen, which only ends when the Dragon Emperor comes back after the Great War Against Chaos.

>>96353727
from how they presented the article yin yin is swamped by enemy forces too
it should have been the iron dragon or the jade dragon
the latter in particular would be a nice way to justify how the monkey king got in power, since the central province would be left without the big administrator

>>96353684
Why dumb? It makes them an anti-cavalry cavalry faction without adding any special rules.
Magic aside Araby is supposed to be the best medicine culture so just extrapolate that to alchemy for something different. Give them a bunch of bound spell potion options. And give those light Cav with guns close range satchel charges.
Long story short I agree that Araby is a better faction for TOW than Cathay in its current implementation, and has more design space even though Cathay should have had it.

>>96353765
>Why dumb?
Because you're making camels cause fear to spiders and boars and wolves and mutant chaos steeds, just because you're extrapolating a niche factoid about real life horses.
Horses in real life are scared by literally anything they're not trained to recognise as safe and become practically useless after one serious battle due to trauma.
We can't write rules based on such things, it's absurd.

>let’s add more humans!
I…sleep…

>>96353763
Monkey King is the only hook I find remotely interesting with Cathay. Making the faction good and perfect has made them extremely boring, so the idea of some lunatic leading them for awhile might get me somewhat interested.

Gonna be so pissed if they turn it all into “hearsay” and the Monkey King is actually reasonable and good and etc etc. Let there be some goofy shit going on. Let there be a Skaven advisor.

>>96353936
>
>humans

>yeah mysterious trading partner, just land your entire army in our city
Ah the Dutch

>>96354300
Surely the arcane journal is going to address how it's not that easy to have a foreign army simply march into a city? Right?

Somehow I'm even more disgusted every time something new is released about the chinks

>>96354300
reminds me of Crusaders passing through Byzantium

I'm sure GW will be faithful to the setting of WHFB and have both sides cynically try to gain an advantage over their 'ally', right?

>>96354413
that will only happen in TOWRPG books or BL books if they ever bother to make them

Wait, Cathay are just fantasy primaris aren't they
>Brand new designs which are physically larger than existing model ranges
>No flaws, unlike any other faction in the game
>No weaknesses, unlike any other faction in the game
>Their rules are strong compared to the current meta, because you know, they're super duper and have no weaknesses
>Whatever your faction is known for being good at, these guys do it better
>"They've always been there bro"
>10 new asspull stories across 3 books and 5 Warhammer community articles that describe what they've been up to all this time
>Released with like 5 kits on launch
>The first campaign book released for the game is all about them (what are the odds that they get special attention in every release for months more now)
The only detractor is that they're not replacing the most popular line of minis in the game, but they are taking a large part of the "human faction" market share so there's that.

>>96354466
Even if they took it all, I will always be a Bretonnia man.

Where is our the old world game….

>>96353936
I'm fine with more humans, I just want them to be interesting. There's only so many traditional fantasy archetypes you can add as entire armies after all. You have vampires, mummies, werewolves (albeit not as an entire army) which rounds out the horror trifecta, elves of three standard flavours, orcs, and dwarves rounding out the standard fantasy races, mammal people, and lizard people. What else reaply is there to do without digging up some esoteric bullshit?

>>96353727
Zhao Ming is a unliked by other the siblings.
Yin-Yin seems to be doing her own stuff in TOW era.
Li Dao is proably busy with the Monley King (it's near the time he take some power in Cathay) and/or is not as reliable than Miao.

>>96355201
>I must defend our borders against the Naggas from the South
Oh so that's why cathay has no black representation

>>96355201
>defend our borders against the N*ggas [...], keep peace with the *igers [...], and war with the monkey king's legions
did he really say that?

Well, Cathay is shit.
Let's skip it and go on to Nipon.

>>96355409
I'm sorry, but nippon is utterly off limits now.
You gotta buy third party for them.

>>96353727
Hopefully they take the time to go into it, but yin-yin is viewed as a reckless fuck-up by the other dragon children. So that's probably why Yuan-bo doesn't trust her to handle it, even though she's probably better suited for it.

Honestly TWW teases so much good lore for Cathay and GW keeps ignoring it. Give us the monkey king, crowmen, alchemists, elaborate on the shugengan breeding program anything other than just spamming miao ying

Wip IoB rats and the free stormvermin that GW was giving away some time ago.

>>96351242
I do, sometimes. Not as much as I used to for reasons both related and unrelated to this general.

What would you like to see?

>>96355201
>>96355366
Damn, best dragon confirmed.

>balloons have a higher than 70% winrate in tournaments
Jesus Christ.

>>96355817
What's winning against them most? Seems vulnerable to viletide, and several beastmen trash skirmishers

>>96355439
A whole new army would be way too much, but I do hope we get some MTO Nipponese units as mercenaries for Cathay.

>>96350064
>The Smurfs villages next to the factory

>>96353936
AoS was made for you my dude

>>96355920
O&G from what I hear, fanatics and arty. I think Viletide would do good as well but the balloons will shred through beastmen armies at range.

>>96356470
Artillery eh? Is there a good forbidden chance cygors might have a purpose?

>>96351138
That's not a appeal to triviality it's making the argument that you're trying to make an unfalsifiable claim with no actual standing.

>>96353589
I don't think camels specifically spook horses, I think anything that a horse isn't used to will spook it.

>>96355817
What are you talking about? They only have a 56% rn

>>96356809
>Wild herd has best performance stability
Huh, Wild herd is that good eh.

>>96356809
KO?

>>96356884
Knightly Order I think