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There has only been like 3 ILclam books right? With IlKhans Eyes Only being the most recent one?

Trying to put together a representative Dark Ages/ilClan force for the Jade Falcons. Alpha is intended as a mobile heavy squad, Beta is light-to-medium flanking element, and Gamma are brawlers. Looking for advance on composition; feel free to recommend Omni configs or rearrangements.

Alpha Star
Thor II [70t, 5/8/*]
Jade Hawk 3 [75t, 5/8/5]
???
???
Jade Phoenix [85t, 4/6/*]

Beta Star
Hierofalcon [45t, 6/9/*]
Shadow Cat [45t, 6/9(12)/6]
Black Lanner [7/11(14)/0]
Gyrfalcon 2 [55t, 5/8(10)/7]
Eyrie [35t, 6/9/7]

Gamma Star
Jupiter 1 or 3 [100t, 3/5/0]
Shrike 2 [95t, 4/6/5]
Loki Mk.II [65t, 4/6/*]
Flamberge 3 [70t, 4/6/7]
Night Gyr [75t, 4/6/4]

>>96341275
There was the OG book, the Bear/Drac book and the Marik book + Eyes Only, so I think 4 books at this point.

>>96341275

Tamar Rising
Empire Alone
Dominions Divided
ilKhan's Eyes Only

>>96341324
>>96341330
Ok looks like I'm still current then.

>>96341323
Honestly, too much new shit. If you read the 3134 invasion stuff, they still had a lot of old mechs. Toss in a couple invasion omnis for your gaps. An Uller belongs in there somewhere.

HA HA

>>96341365
Praising Butte Hold? Pepridge farm remembers.

Hello /btg/. I've collected mechs for a long time as a side thing but never really played. I finally have the time and interest to start painting my mechs and visit some of the LGS around here bc of the CGL renaissance, but am wondering if I'll get laughed at for using nonCGL oldies by the current crowd? Do I need to learn all the post 3025 tech or is grogtech acceptable in the current CGL crowd? Is 3025 seen as boring? I'm not interested in alpha strike rules but is that a smarter starting option?

And same deal with my plastic mechs. Will they walk away if I break out the city tech second edition chonks?

And one final question, what tank could I proxy these statcraft siege tanks as? Thank you

>>96341423
Grogtech is still the most common current game. The game has never given a fuck about minis. Your BD Battlemaster is likely a recast. That is all.

>>96341423
>if I'll get laughed at for using nonCGL oldies by the current crowd?
If they laugh find different people to play with.

>>96341446
The Jenner is a 90s Jenner right? I thought it was a 80s ral Partha at first but it's looking suspicious to me. The etching under the base is gone

>>96341423
>am wondering if I'll get laughed at for using nonCGL oldies by the current crowd?
no, most of the people I know would probably give respect to your grogminis. not to my taste personally but I don't mind.

>Do I need to learn all the post 3025 tech or is grogtech acceptable in the current CGL crowd?
most people I know play clan invasion / civil war era games. Most people get bored with introtech at some point.

>I'm not interested in alpha strike rules but is that a smarter starting option?
You'll probably end up playing whatever the majority of people in your scene play. for me its classic, which I like better anyways.

>And one final question, what tank could I proxy these statcraft siege tanks as?
just read through the entries on sarna and see which one it fits best. To me it looks like a variety of light tank

>>96341435
>original marauder sculpt
Anon, you're going to be the coolest dude in the shop, you'll be fine

>>96341435
>>96341423
Yeah, if you're still using old minis, you aren't going to be welcome at Battletech tables. Only the new minis are good, and using the old IWM metals is a sign of shit taste, and you will be discriminated against for that. Rightly so. CGL really ought to ban the use of miniatures made before 2015, just to preserve their own image as a company.

>>96341534
>old IWM
You can't tell what minis he has can you.

So which Clan is the strongest Clan and why? And which one is the weakest?

Not sure about the strongest though I'm tempted to say Ghost Bears or Wolves because of the worlds and resources they hold. For the weakest I'd probably say the Hell's Horses cause they have a pretty shitty combat doctrine.

>>96341547
>So which Clan is the strongest Clan and why?
Imperio Escorpio
>And which one is the weakest?
Wolf

>>96341474
The original has an oval base. Truncated hex base is early 2000's IWM quick start sculpts if it's real, which looks a little short for that.

>>96341534
>using the old IWM metals
They were packing coupons for IWM in the latest box sets!
BEGONE TROLL, DARKEN OUR GENERAL NO MORE!!!

>>96341547
Ravens and Sea Foxes have Warships though, and original Mongol Doctrine wasn't as shitty as Malvina version.

>>96341534
The handful of IWM minis I have are still unassembled. They like having many pieces. Thx everyone for answers so far.

>>96341531
Son, that 3rd ed Plastic Marauder should be rightly lauded for lining up right, but that's the 3rd Mad sculpt after the BD Oval and BD Hex Mads.

>>96341564
Eh, focusing on warships is a pretty major mistake.

>>96341602
I know, but Foxes are also doing the smart thing by becoming Foxstar and getting their fingers in ALL the pies, while the Bears are going full Schitzo on what it means to be a Clan.

>>96341586
It's not lined up right, I need to put putty in between its massive ass gap sometime

>>96341547

Wolf is the weakest. It needs the Falcons, Jaguars, Ravens, and Foxes to prop up its continued existence.

>>96341655
As the plot blunders forwards I begin to like the Diamond Sharks more and more.

>>96341680
They wised up the most after Tukkayid; Warriors are just going to get themselves killed by overwhelming odds, pivot to economic Warfare!

>>96341680
They can get fucking wrecked.

>Haha, we blockaded entire systems with warships that could be breached by a single PPC against a foe that has primarily HPPC fighters and the largest fighter carrier left in IS hands.
>Haha, we bought up all the Comstar stuff because we magically have Comstar-tier money and nothing Comstar did outside HPG's was ever profitable.

Top 2 clans I would wipe from the face of existence.

>>96341341
I was thinking more along the lines of visually being Jade Falcon and suiting their combat preferences, but that is fair.

Though the slim pickings of the 3130's are pretty much over by the 40's and 50's, with everyone swimming in new factories and Omnimech production.

>>96341749
It's still shit-tier 1/3 of 3025 forces in 3145. You'll have some old stuff. The spool up is vastly overrated. Or rather, the Stoner disarmament is underrated.

>>96341765
Would you rather a Bane 3 or a Turkina in Gamma?

HAKKA TENNO BLAKEZAI

How open were CGB on adopting other Clans' warriors they bondsmened into their own?

>>96341340
iirc they said they're not going to push the era past IKEO for a while. They might backfill or expand on some stuff, but the plot isn't going to be moving forward any time soon.

>>96341695
Why use economic warfare when you can just steal other peoples shit instead?

>>96342128
Because if you don't owns the means of Production, you're just a pirate!

>>96342141
Unless you're REALLY good at stealing peoples shit, then you become a king.

>>96342148
Nah, you at least need to feign management skills for that!

>>96342128
Economic warfare is more sustainable.

Have anything interesting happened during 3040-3049? Kind of need some idea for what mydudes should be doing after the War of 3039

>>96342208
Depends on the technological conditions of the world. In a universe like Battletech where military equipment is cheap and easily repaired it's actually cheaper to wage war than it is to build up your economy.

>>96342246
>what mydudes should be doing after the War of 3039
Anti piracy work around the outer edges of wrasslehog.

>Temax Cat Ninjabolt
Why the hell this thing exists and why do I want it

>>96342474
What the fuck did they do to that Axman?

>>96342479
solaris gladiator patching up his ride with parts of the mechs he's trashed. Including but not limited to a ninjato, catapult, and thunderbolt

Bishop Steiner has been posting his Chibitech art

>>96342654
Is he still hiding in Mexico?

>>96342776
I think he just lives there because the cost of living is low enough he can make a living on commissions. He visits the US frequently

>>96341733
You, sir, have terrible taste. How are you gonna use your mechs if they never reach the planet?

>>96341547
>Strongest
Right now, I'd say the Foxes are the strongest. Having the monopoly of the HPG is a veeeery big deal. However, theirs is a more 'behind the curtains' power. Military-wise, the Bears might take the trophy.

>Weakest
The reformed Smoke Jaguars are basically glorified bodyguards for Alaric. I doubt they even have independent ways to leave Terra.

>>96342128
Go ask the Smoke Jaguars how that worked wfor them

>>96342851
>How are you gonna use your mechs if they never reach the planet?
Luckily mechs can fight in space too so that's not a problem.

>>96342897
If they actually get a monopoly on HPGs. Right now there's no real competition, but they haven't solidified anything. They've been given administrative control over HPGs in a few places on the condition they get them up and running again, but they don't own them.

>>96342932
And the Free Worlds League specifically rejected their offer to control HPGs.

>>96342962
Didn't FWL have some trouble because of HPG control? Some Marik's sister was being a Comstar spy and leaking all his HPG messages or something

>>96342900
Tbf being a feudal lord is just stealing but you do it repeatedly until the people stop resisting.

>>96343009
That was way back in the first succession war before even Comstar really had their plan decided. The Captain-General's sister joined them and was one of the earliest true believers, but the C-G figured she was still a Marik and asked her to sneak him some info. She went straight to Toyama who decided to give it a try and approved the leak. But he also started leaking to Steiner and Liao, and Marik noticed that they were both getting a bit too lucky with their strategic movements, so he sent some fake plans via HPG and real ones via courier and his enemies miraculously showed up to fight where the HPG plans had indicated. So he nuked the HPG where his sister was and impounded as much comstar stuff as he could. The FWL went dark for a while but even with extra help the Lyrans and Cappies couldn't take them out. Comstar thought an interdiction would win the conflict immediately, but it turns out it wouldn't win at all, so they learned to be a lot more subtle.

Shame, too small. I was hoping for bigger then the Atlas sized kaijus

>>96343156
Manmade horrors beyond comprehension. Based. CGL when do we get the construction rules for them? Never. In the trash it goes.

>>96341547
Wolf, Plot Armor
Ghost Bear, Plot Armor

Scorpions, Ravens, and Foxes have the actual best situations.

Jags, Falcons, and Cats exist for being heels and gone native.

>>96343190
Cats exist?

>>96343194
Nothing ever dies in Battletech. They got bands of em waiting for a new Republic to screech for.

>>96342654
That's just shimmy's design style.

>>96343156
>Gothic

>>96341564
>Ravens and Sea Foxes have Warships though

Aren't all the Sea Fox "WarShips" turned into Quarian space RVs so that the Foxes can be space gypsies?

>>96343194
A few of them escaped the Drac genocide.

I promised the thread a Dragon Fire and now I deliver. Say something nice about my hipster marauder.

>>96343448
OH COME THE FUCK ON I EVEN HIT YOU WITH COMPRESSED AIR WHERE DID THAT FUCKING CAT HAIR COME FROM?

>>96343454
Him

Tried to re-read the DA books in order and realized why middle school me skipped a bunch of them. Decided to read older books. Finished GDL up to Dying Times, and four of the Kell Hounds. Currently reading the Warrior Trilogy. Also read Wolfpack and Ideal War. Any recommendations for jihad era books?

>>96343463
KITTY!

>>96343015
>Tbf being a feudal lord is just stealing but you do it repeatedly until the people stop resisting.
No, again you have to feign management skills, otherwise the guys you have doing your stealing are going to wonder why they're not in charge.

>>96343169
>CGL when do we get the construction rules for them? Never. In the trash it goes.
Indeed, how else will we make giant biohorror waifus?!

>>96343407
>Aren't all the Sea Fox "WarShips" turned into Quarian space RVs so that the Foxes can be space gypsies?
Can they still nuke you from orbit?

>>96343492
confirmed

>>96343496
>Indeed, how else will we make giant biohorror waifus?!
I deserve this. I wished on the monkeys paw and now I get fetish slop in my mecha game.

>>96343169
You know, it's always bugged me how aggressively rectangular that Atlas' legs are compared to the rounded head and upper body. It looks like they stuck the top and bottom halves of two totally different mechs together.

>>96343496
>Sidonia
I see you are a /m/an of culture.

>>96343524
If you had thoughts beyond OMG BRO! Dat Atlas is riding a White Shark! Fuckin Radical!!!111!! You are interpreting the piece incorrectly.

>>96343509
>I get fetish slop in my mecha game.
Anon, I...

>>96341423
There are really fucking cool versions of classic mechs in later eras.

>>96343554
Thats barely even dressup. I would have gone with Joanna or whatever falconer it was using her sibko as fuckmeat. Thats definitely worse.

>>96342271
Kuritans murdering ronin fuckheads.

Htm-27/28t
Mal-1R
Drg-5g/n whichever.
Hbk-4g
ptr-4r

Lel.

>>96343586
>ptr-4r
My brain says Penetrator, but surely this is a Panther? Anyway seems fine. Mauler is cool. Hatamoto is a Thug so its based. Followed by standard Kuritan trash. 9/10 would have my seneschal pour me tea in my double cockpit Battlemaster while I watch the serfs thrash you.

>>96343597
Grand dragon is actually stupidly good. Its a fast brick. And if you play with quirks it can run past targets, and then torso twist right and shoot behindnit with its ppc. As it zooms away to do a U Turn and repeat its 'slashing' cavalry charge.

>>96343571
I know, there is also that Combine big wig with a literal rape cave torture dungeon, but that's not as funny as the fursuits.

>Wanna use these mechs in Late Succ War games
>Shiro as ARC-2kh
>Roku as PNT-9Rh
>Dragon as... Dragon
And I gotta find which Introtech mech has a gun for one of his hand, another gun on the torso, and a boombox on the shoulder. Anyone got a candidate?

Could Battletech work in Super Robot Wars? Or would the very nature of its universe just make it not be able to fit?

>>96343819
I mean hasn't ever component Anime BattleTech took designs from been in Super Robot Wars?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrOyTQEJCJY

>>96343836
No, I mean. There is no one central good guy or mech to base everything around. So, that would make it difficult to put it in.

>>96343862
Pretty sure his name is Hanse Davion...

>>96343862
the Master and the WoB, infidel

>>96343882
The fed suns are the closest thing to a "good guy" the IS has. But, having them be the main house, would cause an insane power imbalance. To be honest. The best thing you could do would be have some OC pilots in various battlemechs get thrown out of their universe due to some FTL fuckery and show up in a gundame stage on earth. Not like jump mishaps have not happened before.

>>96343819
Yes. Super Robot Wars balances mechs within itself rather than based on their individual franchises. Otherwise a chunk of its roster would eat shit every game.

So since the Clans tend to have better mechs than the IS, and the Clans tend to have smarter combat doctrine too, the question becomes which Clan has the best of the best mechs?

>>96343940
Since when have they had smarter combat doctrine? They're idiot LARPers.

>>96343953
Well, for starters, the Batchall makes sense in the context of trying to preserve resources, and it only applies to people that are actually willing to respond to the batchall properly, if you don't do it back then you don't get the benefit of a limited engagement and they can come at you with everything. Additionally, they have better mechs, and they're more focused on mechs than most factions, not wasting resources on the inefficient and wasteful conventional vehicles, which although cheaper on an individual basis, are more expensive as a whole. The only exception is the infantry they use which integrate very well with their omnimechs, and the omnimechs themselves are a smart design.

>>96343704
thud sort of fits?

>>96343862
Th answer is obvious and you simply are blind.

>>96343933
The plot and multiple factions would be hard to adapt into a game though. Plus, the tech in most japanese mecha shows, make anything in BT look quaint. The FTL of Macross would render rock the IS to its core because its much faster and can travel much farther in a single shot.

>>96343940
>and the Clans tend to have smarter combat doctrine too
Bring enough bullets, dumbass.

>>96344009
Lasers fix that problem handily

>>96343972
Batchall is not a combat doctrine, it's ritual warfare.
Clanner combat doctrine is usually moronically simple and they pretty much only ever win during the clan invasion due to warship superiority, clantech and the writers saying "they just win lol".
Tukayyid demonstrated the clanners were totally incompetent against prepared opponents engaging them in actual combat.

>>96344027
>Clanner combat doctrine is usually moronically simple
Simple is good. No need to overcomplicate things when you have mechs.

>>96344032
It's not good when it's losing you battles.

>>96344040
It's really not though. Tukkayid required immense effort and it only slowed the Clans down. They still took Terra and they still have wiped out tons of Periphery nations.

>>96344045
It really was.
That's why the clans didn't take terra during their initial attack. Their adherence to clan "warfare" and their comically stupid assumption that spheroids knew what a batchall was is precisely why they failed to take terra until a century after the clan invasion instead of a decade.
The clans were carried by the fact they still had warships and nobody else did.

>>96344063
To be fair. They basically had to make everyone else an idiot to let Clan Wolf take Terra, and make the bears have a civil war because...reasons.

>>96344063
Though having superior mechs and not wasting resources on convees certainly helped too.

>>96344027
>Clanner combat doctrine is usually moronically simple and they pretty much only ever win during the clan invasion due to warship superiority, clantech and the writers saying "they just win lol".

Most Clans. Some, like the Wolves, Adders, Ravens, and Horses, are said to have tactics and maybe even strategy. The Wolves even have fucking artillery Mechs!

>>96344074
Eh, the Hell's Horses are pretty fuckin' retarded.

>>96344068
>and make the bears have a civil war because...reasons.

The Bear civil war was actually pretty interesting and somewhat reasonable. It was essentially a religious conflict, which often cuts across society pretty clearly. Even the participation of IS folks isn't that surprising, since the Clan has been controlling the education system for three or four generations by that point.

>>96344070
Clantech is so vastly superior to the introtech most successor states were equipped with and what little star league tech they were rolling out that the clans would have won ground battles even if they were only using clantech conventionals.
>but my stronk atlas is so much better than your tank
And the clans can hand out a bajillion CERPPCs and gauss rifles that instantly turn a mech into a big metal corpse.
Nobody else can figure out how to mass produce clantech for like 100 years so it's not like that advantage would disappear any time soon either.

>>96344091
but how many mechs and warriors could they bring, and how many warriors could they spread out on their conquered worlds for garrison?

>>96344113
As many as the plot demands. Clan toumans and the overall clan population were already impractically small from a logistical and strategic standpoint and it still didn't matter at all.

>>96344118
Doesn't really matter when one side has super-mechs and the other side is feudal peasants.

>>96344121
Both sides had mechs, the IS actually had way more mechs by a ridiculous margin.
Clan laborers live measurably worse lives than the general IS populace.

>>96344125
>Both sides had mechs
I'm referring specifically to the garrisons here. It's pretty easy to control a planet when all you need is a single decent mech.

>>96344131
Didn't work for the star league(and technically the great houses). It suddenly worked for the clans because the devs are hacks.

>>96344131
warrior can't stay inside the mech 24/7; he gotta eat, shit, sleel, jerk off, etc, leaving him vulnerable to all sort of shits

>>96344174
The Star League made the mistake of investing too much into convees.

>>96344210
Failures regarding their occupation garrisons mostly refer to their mechs being defeated.

>>96344227
Should've invested in more firestarters.

Wouldnt you need a hell of a lot of people to occupy an entire planet? How did the clans even manage to hold a single world?

>>96344125

The Clans were able to set the tempo and location of the war, dictating when and when battles occurred. In this way, they were able to defeat the IS forces in detail.

When the IS was able to concentrate forces and dictate the terms of engagement, they did far better.

>>96344274
They also started to realize that the batchall was something that no clanner could ignore, and they took advantage of it to the fullest.

>>96344273
it doesn't make sense and it's not going to.
don't start down this path, there is nothing to find but pure autismal frustration

>>96344273
Comstar who has that ridiculous amount of local manpower helped them administrate until Scorpion.

Imagine how the mainstream media runs cover for the US Democratic party but it also being the bank, the telecom company, the postal service, the Solaris PPV...you know what? Just imagine the first thing. It's pretty much the same.

The Clan OZ's after that either fell into 2 categories. Retreat to little reservations to preserve their culture and only let the laborers interact with the locals like the Bears did, or forcibly keep converting the locals to clan castes a piece at a time like the Falcons did. A hundred years in and the Falcons were still at it.

>>96344273
Comstar took over administration on most of them, because for some reason they didn't think the returning SLDF wanted Terra.

>>96344278
>that no clanner could ignore,

That no clanner dared refuse*

>>96344274
This was a strength of the omnis, because they could refit and repair ridiculously more quickly, you could defeat a battalion of IS stuff with a star just by fighting a lance or two at a time and repairing before the next showed up.

>>96344288
IIRC the crazy Primus was riding so high on her own genius that she was physically incapable of considering possible flaws in her plan.

>>96344273
Not really. Most planets don't really care who rules over them.

>>96344369
They care a lot when you uproot the local culture. Only the clanners and stoners do that. Clanners mostly learned to stop doing that by 3055.

>>96344369
If the new ruler is from other IS houses, maybe, but from the Clan?
>"Yay I rather be under the Caste system than being a pleb"

>>96344369
Most successor states don't actively try to force their expected lifespan down to the mid 50's.

>>96343194
Some of the Clan Protectorate is made up of Nova Cats who escaped the collapse of the Republic of the Sphere or the annihilation by the Draconis Combine.

>>96344438
Isn't part of the problem in the Clans that the worlds are so hostile?

>>96344504
The star league had technology capable of making the clan homeworlds comfortable, the clans have demonstrated they're easily capable of making star league tech even better. The clan homeworlds are that hostiile because clan leadership wants them to be hostile.
In the case of some planets, the clans actively make the planet's environment even more hostile than it naturally is.

>>96344536
>In the case of some planets, the clans actively make the planet's environment even more hostile than it naturally is.
>*Meat-eating horse noises*

>>96344539
The horses weren't supposed to be released, because even Clanners have limits.

Also that was done when it was still the SLDF.

>>96344623
The clan decided to not destroy the wild population, they later released it onto other planets.

>>96344623
The Clan Wolf sourcebook says it was Clan scientists who created the hells horses and a Clan warrior who set them free

Which ship do you consider home?

>>96344690
Invader always sounded cozy.

>>96344539
>*Meat-eating horse noises*
Gotta go fast, you know?

>>96344005
That was going to be my second answer.

>>96344286
>Imagine how the mainstream media runs cover for the US Democratic party
That's rich...

>>96344539
>>96344623
Remember that these supposedly failed "experiment" of man-eating demon horses were produced in a large enough number to have a stable breeding population...
Fuck man, even movie Jurassic Park had enough sense to only have a handful of Raptors at a time!

>>96344655
It can't have been, if they were a totem of one of the Clans.

>>96344536
>We gotta import this extremely dangerous bears to the IS because muh ritual and fuck natives

>>96344690
Sabre Cat, duh

>>96344819
Well...yes.

No part of that is surprising.

>>96344816
Presumably it was the Hell's Horses who did it because it was in the description for the Clan itself

>>96344914
So did they send a team of Scientists and Warriors back in time?

>>96344921
Sure. A group of Goliath Scorpion Seekers went back in time to search for SLDF artifacts and in their necorsia-addled stupor they released the Hells Horses into the wild thus creating the Clan

>>96341442
Maybe use them as Demolishers?

>>96341534
Behold, a GW 40k drone trying to enforce "you can only use the latest thing" retardation on other franchises. I would love to see you spurg out when you see my local club using card standees.

>>96345189
It's pretty obvious bait my dude

>>96344125
The IS did have way more mechs, tanks infantry, aircraft, etc, but due to the Clans tactic of threatening to glass each world from orbit if the IS didnt agree to a tiny Batchall fight, meant that the IS could never use their huge numerical advantage in their favour.

LGS is starting a mercenaries league set in 3050s Chaos March. As a wobfag I want to play one of the Wobby-aligned mercs that they were setting up all over the Sphere, using mostly downgrade of the iconic Comstar mechs. Blake Docs has a huge list of them, any of them stand out in lore and/or paint job?

>>96345259
Plus convees perform very poorly against mechs, let alone Clan mechs.

>>96341219 (OP)
How come the Roastie gets an Awesome?

Is there an in-lore explanation for why the science of the setting is so advanced but the engineering is so terrible?

>>96346336
No. Engineers shouldn't be playing games anyway. Go back to your spreadsheets.

>>96344006
They had Gunbuster and Votoms in the same entry, that shit doesn't really matter in the context of the game. And you probably could condense it down to one Clan character and one IS character.

>>96345220
but what if it real and he speaks truthfully, from his heart?

>>96343448
Oh dang. That looks nice.

I was looking at that box in a store today, as well as a couple others, but... All the boxes were $40~50 and only had 1~2 mechs I wanted in them.

Looking at the way you've painted it makes me wish I had gotten one.

Has anyone else painted anything over the weekend? I was spending time with family so didn't get a chance.

>>96343454
Happens to the best of us, man. A Dark Crow I was photographing a few weeks back had a hair sneak in (left shoulder) that I didn’t even notice until much later.

>>96346808
And here’s a shot from the front - the cat hair is barely visible in this one, which is why I did the back pic first.

>>96346607
If that were the case he wouldn't be posting on 4chan

>>96343481
>jihad era books?
Do any even exist?

>>96343156
>fucking D&D monsters
Anyone who plays Gothic deserves a wedgie and then thrown into a trash can. Seriously.

>>96343538
>semi obscure /m/echa
I'm still mad about Broken Blade.

>>96343554
>must wear
>while naked
Uhhhhhh

>>96347382
You'd put it on a chain and wear that.

>>96344791
>every MSM company except one is HARD left
>they don't do it i swear
ok

>>96344819
Aff.

>>96347342
>Blood Rage
>Embers of War
>Icons of War
>Isle of the Blessed
>The Quest for Jardine
Sarna lists these under Jihad-era alongside a bunch of source books. They look like post-CLG books. Low-key hoping for a pre-clg book but no luck.

>>96347444
I wonder if tattoos would count?

>>96347556
Keith Rupert Murdoch.

inb4 >>>/v/ but I just wanted to share the randomly generated lance my friends and I got in MW5 modded. We played for a couple hours, got jumped by pirates, lost and gained a ton of c-bills and won a close arena match. It was really fun.

>>96343571
>I would have gone with Joanna or whatever falconer it was using her sibko as fuckmeat.
That's not even a fetish though. That's just being smart. There's nothing wrong with having sex with students; they're available, young, hot, and they want it. Being in authority over them just makes it easier since they can't get an attack of conscience and tell you no. The entire reason to put up with the misery of being an instructor is the side benefit of getting to fuck the students. Joanna isn't doing anything unusual or wrong, so it's not really an authors fetish, just an observation of reality.

>>96347609

They do. Lots of Falcons get tattoos.

>>96347773
>Image of women who are clearly in their mid 20s
>Students

>>96347624
>Fox
He said the thing! Now go sit in the corner.

>>96347903
What, you think I'm stupid enough to post of pic of the students I work with?

>>96347933
Be sure one of them is wearing a shirt that says "Tigers" on it

>>96347624
Fox is a left leaning channel. They're the most truthful MSM agency out there, which is an incredibly low bar, but they're still biased in favor of the left. An actual good news channel would be Infowars. OAN also isn't terrible.

>>96347627
>VL2T
Medium Rifle, 2 ton ammo, Medium laser, Flamer, ditch the MG and ammo.
>Rifleman and Flea
Is this modded?
>Banshee
2 PPCX.

>>96343906
>The fed suns are the closest thing to a "good guy" the IS has.
The guys who instigated the 4th Succession War at a wedding after putting the names of planets they were going to conquer on plates they served food on to the owners of said planets, and announced their war of aggression by the groom "giving" the bride a third nation they had just secretly invaded? Anybody else doing that would be described as cartoonishly evil, I don't understand how they get a pass.

>>96347948
In reality there are no "right wing" parties in the west, a "modern Republican" is nearly identical to a 90's Democrat. The Overton Window has moved so far left in society due to leftist dominance in media, education, finance, entertainment, and social media.

>>96348014
Because they're STILL the good guys. Even after all of that. They're still the good faction in the game. The others are just THAT EVIL, to the point where calling Capellins literal subhuman bugmen isn't invective, just an observation of reality. It's how we can still call Republicans good guys, because they are opposed by the literal subhuman pedo democrats.

>>96348014
A while back I ran a non-Battletech TTRPG one shot that used these events as the main plot with the players pulling a heist during the wedding. I included the "My dear, I give you..." moment (though I skipped the plates) and the players did ID the Steiner-Davion stand ins as the villains. On the other hand, while the Capellan stand in had been the ones who hired them, their conclusion was that after these events the Capellan stand in wouldn't have the money to hire them and they left for greener pastures.

>>96348046
This. America needs to be much more conservative. Complete removal and repudiation of minority groups, the removal of their ability to participate in political process, and a return to the only American who matters economically and politically being the white land owning tax paying Christian male at the head of a family household. This is God's nation and it's high time we insured it became such. Only through a repudiation and a purge of the 100 million Democrats who have worked their entire lives to spoil this country, can we again find favor in God's eye.

>>96348014
Who married and deflowered a jailbait wife who he was 20+ years older than. And said guy found a civilian Star League library, stole every "how do gun work" book, and then burned the rest.

>>96348079
Yeah. Good guy.

>>96348073
Just to clarify, do you think that posting these thoughts on a senegalese sugar glider raising forum's thread about robots stolen from backwards chinese girl cartoons is a good way to produce societal change?

>>96348098
Clearly a parody at best, false flag most likely.

>>96347948
>Fox is a left leaning channel.
>>96348046
>>96348073
Just get to your ideological cannibalization already...

>>96348098
I mean that's probably why they are here.

>>96348079
And his jailbait wife could kick his ass since she was jump infantry and he was just a mech pilot.

>>96348146
Why are you engaging?

Pic unrelated.

>>96348079
>and then burned the rest.

I don't remember that part. What book was it?

>>96348180
Because I'm easy like that!

>>96348098
Yes. Any publicity is good publicity, and it's important for lurkers to know that real patriots still exist out there, even if they're forced out of the liberal controlled media.

>>96348073
Bro you're reaching levels of based not thought possible.
>minorities
Unfortunately they have proven to be completely untrustworthy, the only thing minority politicians, electorate, and the parties thereof led to is them enriching THEIR group at the cost of everything else, look at every hellhole in the US and three things pop out.
>minority/majority
>Democrat
>monopoly for decades

>>96348161
Which is absolutely hilarious.

>>96348139
Why is it every time someone with right leaning beliefs says something stupid and consistent with that political platform, it's a false flag, but every time someone with a left-leading viewpoint says something just as stupid, they are a true and accurate portrayal of the left wing?

>>96348189
House Davion and House Kurita sourcebooks.

>>96348274
Do you have a canon source?

>>96348272
Because only things that make The Enemy look bad are real

Hercules 9001 or Axman 3S? Also are there any mechs like the firestarter but with a bit more staying power?

>>96348281
>The Enemy
Who the fuck is that?

>>96348098
Either this or shooting up a synagogue, so I'd just be grateful that they're here. (As planned)

>>96348292
Details aren't important, the only thing that matters is that we hate The Enemy, whoever they are. If we defeat The Enemy, we must choose a new Enemy.

>>96348286
I like the Axman 3S, but that's not a popular choice. Completely different from from the Hercules you mentioned though, Axman is a close in brawler and Hercules is a midrange all rounder.

>>96348286
>Also are there any mechs like the firestarter but with a bit more staying power?
Not really, but there should be. A 60 ton fast heavy with 8 flamers and a plasma rifle and a couple SRM4s with inferno ammo really ought to be a thing. Give it to the Davions since they're the bad guys.

>>96348301
Unironically this, though. Life isn't worth living if I don't have someone to fight against. Life is defined by struggle and an enemy. It's not out fault the liberals can't understand that.

>>96348295
>I'd just be grateful that they're here. (As planned)
Hey Glowie Anon, am I on the list?

>>96348301
>If we defeat The Enemy, we must choose a new Enemy.
But what if you are your own Worst Enemy?

>>96348272
I never saw someone trying to insert a fourth reich into BT that wants to exterminate non-whites and say it's a good thing. I did see someone trying to make the clans racist and arguably sexist, as well as advertising they want to use a rigid, extremely one-sided caste society as a "positive depiction of sex work" because it aligns with their politics.

Reminder:
I'm better at Battletech than you are.
I'm better at painting than you are.
I'm more attractive than you are.

>>96348420
Only in your dreams.

>>96348420
Post tournament batrep, painted models, and cock then

>>96348436
post butt with timestamp.

>>96348445
Modesty is more attractive than whorish behavior.

>>96348439
I've done all those things multiple times. Next tournament batrep will be in March.

>>96348420
Desperation is grossly unattractive.

>>96348014
Didn't Max directly threatened Hanse's life and plotted to overthrow FedSun shortly before that?

>>96348449
Confirmed ugly and dezgra. A true warrior would never back down from a challenge.

>>96348455
You seem to be projecting.

>>96345176
I see the resemblance but aren't demolishers pretty big next to mechs or am I imagining that

>>96344690
we got anymore hirez aerospace images like this?

>>96348280
>canon
>the literal fucking source
Are you fucking serious.

>>96348330
>glowie
More like a roach, but whatever.

>>96348500
You could use it as the Zhukov, as that's basically a smaller demolisher

>Victor Davion
>Jamie Wolf

Is Battletech THE game franchise for manlets?

>>96343819
The BT team'd end up being the weirdly racist uncles and aunts who think that Aliens, Newtypes, Cyborgs, Coordinators and Androids really should not be eating with us humans.

>>96348608
Davions consider a 1.6 meter taurian imposing, so yes.

>>96348608
Jaime was short too?

>>96348478

Yeah. He kidnapped Hanse and had him tortured while inserting a brainwashed body double to replace him.

>>96348804
And before anyone goes bUt CaNoN, this was in novels, which are officially the highest form of canon.

>>96348810
>this was in novels, which are officially the highest form of canon.
Mechs are 30 meters tall then.

>>96348748
I can't find it but I remember it from one of the books.

>walk into wolf dragoons HQ
>everybody stares
>they wait for you to pick out which one is Jamie as some kind of test like in Last Crusade.
>It's the short dude, not the buff guy

>>96348649
>Androids
*Sad Lamia Loveless noises*

Firestarter Omni F or Blackjack Omni D?

>>96343819
Ok so what series would you throw in with BT for a Super robot wars title?
Obviously Dougram is one but what are some others?

>>96349126
Xabungle would definitely work. But as stated several times. It's more like the tech in BT isn't much when compared to some of the mainstays of SRW. Imagine a Getter Robo showing up anywhere in the IS. Or any of the macross main ships or VFs. Gameplay wise, sure. They wouldnt be THAT OP. But story wise, it would certainly cause the IS and even the clans to panic.

>>96349155
I disagree only for the fact taht things like VOTOMS and code geass being the same area as any super robot and tehy don't bat an eye, its about treating it all as in universe so I think the bigger issue is the galactic nature of BT where as SRW focuses namely within the solar system for most games. Thats easy to work around but it is a narrative issue for (mostly) super robots.

>>96349191
Macross does interstellar stuff, and New UN Spacy controls a lot more planets and has a higher tech base than BT. The Macross-Class ships can walk under gravity. Shin Getter Robo can cleave solar systems in half. For that kind of powergap in terms of story, you would have to either have the IS be some lost colony attempt from thousands of years ago that lied about its history via Comstar. Or have dimensional fuckery happen, which is what a lot of SRWs have gone with. Need I remind you there were three different Japans at one point?

>>96348804
sounds pretty solid casus belli to me, especially in monarchy

>>96347624
Australian here. Rupert murdoch is ALSO hard left. He is for giant government ruling every second of your life with regulations. Corpratism and statism. Textbook fascism, leftist autocracy.

>>96349461
Funny, that sounds more like the RIGHT wing here in the States...

>>96349475
No. Thats just your brain of left wing propaganda.

>>96349124
They're pretty different. What do you want it for?

>>96349482
No, that's what the Right Wing in America actually wants; They say they want "smaller Government" but that's FOR THE CORPORATIONS, meanwhile they're also pushing for Sharia Law by another name.
Supposedly support Free Speech, but only for hate speech, education and classical literature NEED censoring after all...

See, I KNOW this not because people just told me that's what's happened, but because I actually witness it.

>>96349543
And other anons can rest assured this is true because the most psychotic poster in this general is ranting about it.

>>96349663
This is 4chan, assuming any of us are in our right mind is folly.

>>96349674
Yet the overwhelming majority of arguments that aren't clearly political shitposting or posts by manic are reasonable.

What’s a good lance archetype to build from if you’re new? 1 of each class? 2 heavy 1 med 1 light?

>>96349745
hatamoto-chi or mauler.
grand dragon
hunchback
panther
stereotypical drac lance.

>>96349745
The performance and role of mechs in their own weight classes varies so greatly that simply picking a random mech and expecting it to perform to your expectations based on weight class isn't a good idea. Even just variants of the same mech will wildly alter what it does.
You'll need look at the mechs you want to bring on an individual basis and make a judgement based on that.

>>96346365
nigga do you know what game you're playing? I spend my whole day engineering and referring to tables and spreadsheets so I can come home and refer to tables and spreadsheets to see how badly I beat yo dumb ass

>>96349867
ah a german.

>>96346336
>Engineering is terrible
>Most products have a service life of 500 years

Terrible for the shareholders?

>>96348649
I agree that aliens being missing is nice. It generally just devolves into fantasy archetypes that don't really add anything but fetish fuel and lazy writing. I wouldn't mind seeing more done with the Blakist cyborg stuff, but I'm also OK with things more or less how they are.

>>96349745
Weight classes aren't really that helpful when you're freely picking mechs for gameplay reasons. The sort of "classic" lance structure is one short range tough guy, one long range fire support, one fast guy, and then the last one doubles up on one of the previous. Personally I like having two fast units for flanking, but depending on your budget the fourth guys role might be "cheap and participating". In later eras this might be a utility mech with ECM or plasma weapons or other oddball things like tasers.

>>96349900
Someone gotta have drawn Tetatae furry porn somewhere already

>>96349712
>reasonable.
FOLLY!!!
See: >>96349935

>>96349952
You are simultaneously a very stupid person and a very disingenuous person. Usually it's one or the other.

>>96349483
An agile medium energy boat. The lance is fairly heavy so I want something smaller and faster than a 3/5 missile boat that can pair up with the other fast guy in the lance (5/8) and flank/apply pressure

>>96349963
FOLLY!

>>96349973
You are genuinely mentally impaired.

>>96349969
EXT-4Db, of course

>>96349996
And yet your still here as well.

STRANGE, ISN'T IT?!

>>96350012
You're.

>>96350015
FOLLY!

>>96349674
>us
>our
redditor

Are 'unknown, uncharted and/or forgotten planets within the IS' a thing? Isolated human cultures?

>>96350282
>This man hasn't read the Interstellar Players Series
Get on that.

>>96349889
That's the product of good materials science, not good engineering. With a good engineer they could be making products that have a service life of 1,000 years instead.

>>96350282
Yes.

Mostly in the Deep Periphery, but some lost within the IS, too.

We know that ComStar intentionally helped lose a few worlds (https://www.sarna.net/wiki/The_Five), who's to say they didn't do more?

Or a world lost its HPG station and undertook some heavy damage in the Amaris War or a Succession War and recovered but wasn't able to get their HPG or JumpShips working and everyone just assumed that they were gone.

Maybe you could even have one such world get lost right as the Terran Alliance turns into the Terran Hegemony, a freshly-colonized world that the Alliance abandons but none of the other powers really know about it and it falls through the cracks.

>>96349969
I'd go Firestarter.

>>96350332

It's not like the 500 year old Mechs are falling apart or anything.

The only things we really hear are falling apart are some DropShips like the Union whose life support system is often fucked, or Invaders whose hydroponics booms get broken.

>>96350434
Sure but you can have a 500 year old piece of garbage.

>>96350434
We know that Stalkers can't handle their own weight indefinitely and eventually need a full refurbishment or to be left underweight to save their own inner structure. There are even standardized refits to lighten the load (although they're fucked by old game rules and the "never alter record sheets" mandate). Any mech that actually makes it to 500 is most likely the Mech of Theseus anyway. The problems that build up if you don't get a refurbishment every couple decades will add up very fast on the scale of centuries.

Why did the RotS (I assume) fight against the ComStar? I thought they were allies

>>96349436
The early material plays kind of loose with it but as far as I can tell the federated suns and capellan confederation were at war continuously since the fall of the star league. No peace treaty or formal ceasefires were ever signed.

>>96350461
What's refurbishment in this context? How is it different from maintenance and repair?

>>96350469
They were. Levin even begged for their help in the 3135 RotS civil war. It was McKinnon who decided to build a task force to wipe them out in 3142, likely because he was an OG Blakist.

>>96350475
This. The 3rd War was low level warfare with everyone, but everyone was still at war.

>>96350469
>>96350484
>Precentor Malcolm Buhl (3076–3141)[1] was Director of ComStar's Special Projects branch as well as the leader of the secret neo-Blakist Blessed Order faction within ComStar.

The RoTS does not have freedom of religion, especially not for people building secret mech forces.

>>96350494
Exarch Levin explicitly did not give a fuck in 3135. He was just like "Can you guys keep hold of more than Australia for me?"

>>96350479
It's taking out all the duct tape, purging all the viruses the pilot has racked up by running porn.mpeg.exe on the battle computer, replacing everything that's worn out, reupholstering the seat, replacing every gasket and seal, and generally bringing things back to factory standard.

Going to be joining a campaign for the first time, is there anything I should know before setting up my force, or general rules of thumb ("buy N number of guys", "do/don't buff stats", etc)?

>>96350534
Are you using Battlefield Support Points?

>>96350566
C-Bills
Rules straight from Campaign Operations AFAIK.

>>96350587
In that case unless the whole campaign takes place on one planet everything depends on what kind of drop ship you managed to roll. You are punished severely for moving things and especially people as cargo.

>>96350587
>>96350600
Yeah, fun with BSP is that you get a bit with every mission and BSP units aren't tracked like your Mechs, basically making them free expendable firepower.

>>96350532
Wonder what would happen if you need to refurbish your salvaged Vindicater, you can used the factory service but you're stuck in FRR Periphery border for another year

>>96350744
If you've actually got access to a whole mech factory they might be able to just core out the problematic parts and replace them with something more standard. It would have to be a lot more than 10% expensive and probably increase the time from weeks to months, but I don't think anyone who can actually book a mech bay at a real live mech factory would really care about the cost.

>>96350534
do absolutely everything you possibly can to get a DropShip. those rules are basically predicated on you having one to not instantly go bankrupt the second you have to move between planets. You also want a cargo model, not military, generally speaking

So.. if you're ok with being ugly (or ugly to begin with), you get VDNI without downside like brain burning and limited lifetime?

>>96351338
The effects of "Limited Initative" and what that box says about their maximum lifespan say otherwise. Maybe one of the mental effects is that they aren't bothered by it, but it's pretty bleak and they probably aren't given a lot of freedom.

With the clans' complete dominance of deep space and high orbit, what with them having warships, was it simply impossible for an IS or periphery power to conduct offensive operations into clan space?

>>96351410
Task Force Serpent, Operation Bulldog, Great Refusal...

>makes you overheat
Nothing personal kiddo

>>96351416
All of those take place years after the initial clan invasion, a deal with comstar allowing very limited warship construction for the successor states until the jihad once again destroyed their warship manufacturing and maintenance capacity.

>>96345259
>the Clans tactic of threatening to glass each world from orbit
Indiscriminate orbital bombardment is the tactic of monsters like the betrayer Stefen Amaris. Only a dezgra would advocate for such tactics

>>96351410
If only any of the Clans but one and a half gave a shit about their navies.

Shout-out to the Star Adders who made an abtakha Snow Raven head of their navy.

>>96351448
Who said indiscriminate? You can just glass military facilities.

Hell, BT orbital bombardment is accurate enought that with elite crews and good spotters you can hit military targets inside a city without much collateral damage.

>>96351410
Not impossible, just risky. It's a problem that they have warships and it's a problem that a bunch of garrison clusters and even trinaries have 10-20 ASF but people still raided clan holdings.

Some of those attacks just ate shit.

>>96351648
That feels like a plot hole if that’s true.

>>96351929
Clanners just don't do it because they're retarded. Everyone else doesn't because they have PTSD from the Succession Wars.

And for precision, it uses artillery rules. With a good enough crew, TAG, good spotters, etc. you can get precision down to within a couple hundred meters no problem.

IIRC Stephen McKenna was known for calling down orbital bombardment on targets practically on top of himself during Klondike.

>>96351963
My own theory is that the Battletech universe is essentially Greece compared to IRL’s Rome. In the sense that, Greece had amazing science for its time, but comparatively poor engineering, while Rome had great engineering, but comparatively poor science.

How often do dropships just get swatted out of the skies before managing to actually land? Or is there a custom forbidding that?

>>96347981
Yeah. I pilot the Banshee as the Inner Sphere’s angriest Rasalhagian.

>>96352032
No custom forbidding it unless a clan grants safcon, but most bring aerospace fighters to escort them.

How should I paint the Comguards whiteness? My friends told me to get grey spray paint, before applying the white over it. Do you think it's a good idea?

>>96352383
I did this:
>0, brush base gunmetal
>1, quickly paint marker tan then white
>2, touch up with tamiya white
>3, AK dark wash
>4, repeat step 2 & 3

mini took like, idk 2~3 hours?

>>96346808
>>96346818
Just want to say this is a fantastic job on the paint work and finish

>>96352434
Anybody else think the Falconer looks like it's related to the MWO Marauder?

>>96352670
Probably looks closer to that than the original falconer.

>>96349900
It's a joke about how BT's low key human supremacy, anti-transhumanist. It doesn't matter much in BT, but it would become an issue in SRW.

>>96349220
>Macross does interstellar stuff, and New UN Spacy controls a lot more planets and has a higher tech base than BT.
Their FTL tech is superior and their LAM transformation mechanics are much more refined, operating approximately six times as fast as BT's. BT probably still has the edge in armour solutions.

>>96350469
RotS literally are Wobbies.

>>96352708
The nice thing about Macross is they do a much better job than Battletech at explaining why the giant robots are used (being adopted from giant aliens basically). You kinda need aliens as an explanation (Macross, Obsolete, etc.) if you want to explain why mechs exist realistically without just making everyone in the setting retarded.

>>96352708
Armor solutions dont mean much when your enemy runs circles around you. A Battlemech wouldn't be able to touch a VF. It gets worse if the VF is being buffed by a songstress

>>96352708
>anti-transhumanist
The states that have been stomping everyone else in every field for about one in-universe century are run by heavily genetically modified people that have transcended the natural reproduction process entirely.
The clans are obviously transhumanist and they're the designated winners of the setting, presented as an equally viable future for humanity as any other, good writing be damned.

>>96352746
This is less to do with transhumanism and more because the Clans have achieved dominance in the “meta” of the setting. Both in lore and in the tabletop combined arms sounds smart but actually achieves worse results statistically than using more and better mechs instead. It’s why the Hell’s Horses are so weak. By focusing on superior mechs many of the Clans have ensured that they essentially conquered the meta of the setting, and so the setting itself.

>>96352730
The fact you don't like the explanation why everyone uses battlemechs in the battletech universe doesn't make them retarded. They'd be retarded not to use several story tall metal super-soldier-vehicles when they, as a matter of undisputed fact in universe, are the pinnacle of cost-effective force multiplication and have been for centuries.

>>96352796
The retarded part isn’t that they’re using the battlemechs, it’s that engineering has declined so much in the future nobody has used the technology they do have to design anything better than the retarded designs they do have.

Do mechs “run hot”? Like, could an infra red missile track the heat signature of a mech? Or would a mech be too cool for that?

>>96352805
Anon, the retarded designs ARE the greatest war machines ever devised in setting. There are good ones and bad ones and you can go full autism-mode on which are which, but the battlemech (and to a more limited extent, the omnimech) is king of the battlefield.

Take into account that this is also a wargame that is meant to be played on a table with people, and a wall of hyper-optimized math-blasters would be the most intensely boring gameplay known to man and nothing about the giant stompy robots needs explained further than some rule edge cases and vindictive retcons by line devs.

>>96352775
The fact all clans invest more into warships than any successor state and have done so since their founding, the fact warship superiority was arguably the most important factor in their total dominance in the initial invasion, disproves that little theory. Also the fact they all still make common use of conventional vehicles. And one of their most crucial imports to the inner sphere, something advertised as a huge tactical advantage, was BA and the people they made to use that BA.
The clans were investing more resources into non-mechs than the great houses.

>>96352746
>heavily genetically modified people
Not at all. The Clans take great pains to point out that they are only running an accelerated breeding program, not an actual genetic modification program.
Even the tiniest Aerospace pilot and the hugest Elemental produced by their are capable of breeding true with each other and with any other human being. They are still anti-transhumanist.

The actual, geniune "I can breath in space", Clan-derived Transhumanist faction, the Gene Caste, might not even exist as far as we know.

>>96352862
That’s the point anon. That’s what I’m getting at. The engineering of the setting has declined so far that those terrible designs still manage to be better than anything else the retards can come up with. There is not a single vehicles in the setting that’s actually a good design from an engineering perspective, it’s just retarded designs smashing up against even more retarded design.

Their science is very advanced, don’t get me wrong, but if you plopped a battlemech down on modern Earth and we reverse engineered it, within 50 years we’d have designed a new set of military vehicles that would make battlemechs obsolete.

>>96352746
>>96352873
On top of that, most of their success is ascribed to their cray elite training program and their tech superiority.

>>96352873
You're not anti-transhumanist if your ideal human was born in a test tube.

>>96352875
I'm going to be more emphatic just so it's clear and there's no room to talk past each other on this:

The year is 3144. Clan Protectorate Arms develops a battlemech prototype for a new Shadow Cat derived omni. The Firestorm is produced for the Wolf touman in an anti-vehicle and anti-infantry role.

This is, to my understanding, the latest new battlemech chassis produced and the culmination of around 700 years of iteration, development and engineering. It is not strictly better than any other battlemech, but it features the latest technologies and know how available to clan weapon scientists and mech engineers.

The fact you could strip out a bunch of the weapons and slap pulse laser dicks all over it is a function of the abstraction of a wargame and the ability of an outside perspective with knowledge of discrete probabilities of success being able to design with omniscience.

It does not make the Firestorm retarded in spite of having five different kinds of weapons and specializing in heat-based warfare that may be more or less good based on optional rules.

It is the new, latest, greatest thing and clan and inner sphere scientists are working hard "right now" to develop the next greatest thing for its particular combat role or circumstances.

okay test tube. keep telling yourself you're an actual human. you soulless flesh golem.

>>96352926
Oh, in my case I’m no even really talking about battlemechs entirely. With the technology of the setting you could easily make Hammer’s Slammers and VTOLs that could easily do the job of a mech but better. Hell, ASF’s are about as durable as mechs are but they just nosedive into the ground when they get scratched, but we’ve already created planes that can lose half their wings and the pilot doesn’t even know, he just says the controls feel “slightly sluggish”.

Battlemechs are definitely the best that the engineers of their setting can create, I don’t doubt that. Their engineers are just shit.

>>96352912
The Calvinists are called a Christian sect, even though ideologically, they're literally Chick Tract Atheists.

It's a bit sad that people always want to pick on mechs for being "unrealistic" and that they'd should definitely use something else but they never have anything else cool to replace them with. It's always just back to tanks. Oh, great. It's not like tanks have an amazing forecast after dealing with current conflicts either.

At least come up with something new. Maybe we'll all wage war on motorcycles in the future. That'd be fun.

>>96352974
I'm talking about the battlemechs. If you're not talking about them we have nothing to discuss.

>>96352976
Well mechs are more of an analogy for planes than tanks desu.
>fragile, but fast
>Can handle any terrain and strike quickly
>piloted by a crew of one
>highly customizable loadout

>>96352975
Calvinists are christians because they worship christ, clanners are transhumanist because they transcend the essential human process of natural reproduction.

>>96352976
The future technology that kills everything now is gay little quad rotor drones bought off amazon tied to a grenade.

>>96353029
Kind of an embarrassing situation for tanks. Even so, it'll never last. There's always something new. Everyone thinks war is solved in their generation until it gets unsolved again.

I wonder if people thought full plate was going to solve war. Or like, trebuchets or something. Plonginus the longinus writing about how ye foreigners have a rock-hurling device that can fire so far, is there even a need for soldiers anymore?

>>96353017
>because they worship christ
If you believe that you are already saved and that all human actions are inconsequential to god, then your acts of worship are purely styling on all the plebs who are condemned to eternal suffering.

Speaking of Jesus I’m surprised faith has stayed mostly dead in the setting.

>>96353157
Cults of personality have replaced faith. People no longer need God because the Davions are their new gods.

>>96353157
All the major religions are still around the modern authors are just aware enough of their limitations to not focus on the way various religions change how people think.

>>96352488
Thanks dude. I finished that one up right before vacation and was trying to keep up a good pace on it to get it done before leaving, but go so fast as to rush it. Glad that somebody thinks it turned out OK.

>>96351338
I kind of wonder if they're suppose to be Clanner Pilot equivalents with that skill step up, much as I fear the other Abominations are just going to be reskinned Battle Armor and Protomechs.

>>96351350
I mean there maximum Lifespan is still better than Clanners, plus "Limited Initiative" outright makes a point of relying on Human Commanders.

>>96351648
>>96351929
>>96351963
>Clanners just don't do it because they're retarded. Everyone else doesn't because they have PTSD from the Succession Wars.
I mean there is also the fact that you're going to get dicks using Civilian structures as Human shields, which is why you'd want a digressionary force like BattleMechs to go in and wreak VERY specific shit.

>>96353474
That post is shit. I watched Walküre Romanze and pretty much all girls were Best Girl in their own way.

Though Bertillie is pretty much perfect, on account of being the one who doesn't give a fuck and acts like they're in a shounen sports series.

On how MechWarriors are trained to fight against other MechWarriors, how does that work when having to learn how to use lasers? What happens to mechs used in training battles that get hit by lasers?

>>96352708
>BT probably still has the edge in armour solutions.
Pin-point Barrier System says hi!

>>96352873
>The actual, geniune "I can breath in space", Clan-derived Transhumanist faction, the Gene Caste, might not even exist as far as we know.
*Laughs in Belter*

>>96352974
>With the technology of the setting you could easily make Hammer’s Slammers and VTOLs that could easily do the job of a mech but better.
Eh, like I said in my previous post, Mechs give you "digressionary" force; It's a LOT harder to hide your insurgency under a hospital when your patrolling ground pounders are backed up by a VERY visible giant stompy robot.

>>96353545
Man I've only got so many Military Monster Girls and that is the only one with Harem implications!

>>96353547
In regular exercises, they probably work like real life wargames where a low output targeting configuration is used and the mech computer is configured to register being 'hit'. It's the same way attack and defend exercises for real life fighter pilots work, and how infantry do wargames with simulated ordinance and beepers basically.

Given the stakes of mech combat however, live combat exercises are also probably a significant part of academy or freelance training. Small or even medium lasers can be used relatively comfortably with the appropriate mechs to work real combat with low risk to the trainee and instructor. In fact with cooperation between both sides of a conflict, most weapons can be employed against 'friendly' battlemechs in a limited degree to get a feel for real combat, with the added benefit of producing real battle damage for the training of techs.

The specifics will depend a lot on circumstances. A small mercenary company training up dregs they picked up on contract will more likely take the wargames route and expect pilots to learn on the job with the safeties off and the pressure on.

>>96341219 (OP)
Friendly Reminder that Clan Ghost Bear is technically House Rashalague-Jorgensson
They are the Sixth House Unmourned and forgotten

Thoughts on the Wardog?

>>96354255
It threatens to add a fourth dimension to the war-wolf-hawk matrix and ruin the cube they're building.

>>96352670
Considering how many other Mechs are based on the Marauder, I assumed that the Falconer was too.

>>96352873
>Not at all. The Clans take great pains to point out that they are only running an accelerated breeding program, not an actual genetic modification program.
I am going to let you in on a secret; the scientist caste has been engaged in mad genetic modification the ENTIRE TIME and have been simply lying to the warriors about it

>>96355391
I love my freak clanners. I head-cannon them as having the science cast breed features from their totem animals into the warrior caste like how some people can look like animals or certain types of dogs.
I wish the clanners were weirder but it seems to all be hidden in the margins and the current PGI depiction of them isn't helping much either.

>>96355487
>having the science cast breed features from their totem animals into the warrior caste
This was the plan for MechAssault 3

>>96355487
fixed ur book cover :)

Honestly the genome editing program seems like massive waste of time and resources for clans and I'd go as far as to say that it is not worth the issues and societal tensions it generates, on top of being antithetical to whole merit-based society thing.
Elementals are unnecessary, BA fit for regular humans works good'nuff. Enhanced mechwarriors provide only marginal edge compared to clantech weapons, omnimech chassis, armor etc.
Pilots are probably most promising area for gene manipulation, but even there clans get their asses handed to them by a fucking periphery nation, what more proof do you need it's all just completely pointless?

Idk why I can't post pdf.
Rate my Annihilator.
2/3/2
18t stealth armor
8 light AC5 with 8t of special ammo, mostly armor piercing
4 medium lasers
compact gyro
10 DHS

>>96356080
shit/10

>>96356080
PDFs were what killed 4chan a while back.

>>96356080
You're just gonna have to post an image, like god intended.

>>96356080
just print screen megameklab and crop it in paint my guy

>>96355487
>That Mandrill about to rip the pants off that Ice Hellion.
There's a slow down joke in here somewhere.

>>96355487
>mannish chin
>harsh features
>ugly face
>wide shoulders
Of course the Jade Falcon is a non passing tranny. The propaganda goes back so fucking far.

>>96356080
early DA/10
>captcha is JJSRM
real battletech hours here

Light autocannon 5's are my freaking jam.

MAL 4R comes with four of them pair with its 2 CLPL and 2 CLRM15

>>96357178
They're pretty fun.

>>96352848
Have you looked at the heat scale? It's a fundamental part of the tabletop.

>>96357178
I like that one Regulan beemer with four of them and a command console.

Can retrotech primitives mount non-primitive armor?

>>96357385
Yes, Regulans are all over that shit. See the Sarissa refit. God damn bros piloted fucking Mackies against clanners and did well enough the Sharts hated them forever afterward.

>>96357402
I thought so, just megamek throws a shitfit if you try to do that, even though the menus give you the option.

>>96357452
As with many things, you must give the devs time. Just getting LAM's to work in there took like a decade.

>>96357452
Ruleswise it's technically a mixtech design since primitive is a tech base. I don't know if any of the programs actually do it correctly. SSW has all the primitive stuff as options within the IS base rather than in their own base.

>>96357178
Blackjack-4 has two linked to a Targeting Computer, and enough spare Ammo to take Precision!

>>96357525
AND precision ammo bins etc ALSO happily make ammo bins 1/2 as deadly an ammo bomb.