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Anonymous No.96353504 >>96353753 >>96353947 >>96354011 >>96354056 >>96354485 >>96354888 >>96355039 >>96356774 >>96358390 >>96358445 >>96359298 >>96359309 >>96359424 >>96359988 >>96363334 >>96365914 >>96369822 >>96380576 >>96382012 >>96396716 >>96396852
Every guy and his brother is gonna paint a Blood Ravens Primaris army next year.
Anonymous No.96353530 >>96353537
Okay, and?
Anonymous No.96353537 >>96392320
>>96353530
NTA, but Blood Ravens are cool, so I'm happy about it :-)
Anonymous No.96353539
Ill play it but not for the marines
Anonymous No.96353549 >>96353560
>ANOTHER Necron game
Yup, it's kino
Anonymous No.96353560 >>96353569 >>96353692 >>96353754 >>96381108
>>96353549

How will they reconcile BR fighting the NuCrons when they fought the OldCrons (with Pariahs) in the second game?
Anonymous No.96353567 >>96354003 >>96354687
Anonymous No.96353569 >>96353692
>>96353560
That dynasty had pariahs, this one doesn't
Anonymous No.96353580 >>96353788 >>96354467 >>96354504
>Space Marines
>Mechanicus
>Necrons
>Orks
Who are (You) maining?
Anonymous No.96353657 >>96363545
Will this be the time they give players what they want? Blows my mind that they had so long between CoH 2 and DoW 3 that they could have RETVRNED
Anonymous No.96353692 >>96354906 >>96357712 >>96359379 >>96372926 >>96392784
>>96353560
>>96353569
Are pariahs not canon anymore?
Anonymous No.96353753
>>96353504 (OP)
Better than Ultramarines.
Anonymous No.96353754
>>96353560
Maybe have a bit where the Necrons team up with the Ravens to fight one of the other factions to repay them for wiping out the ones on Kronus because their resurrection was defective and they were reliving memories of being enslaved by the C'Tan so the other Necrons see it as a mercy-killing.
Anonymous No.96353788 >>96353958
>>96353580
I'll wait for the inevitable guard dlc/addon.
Anonymous No.96353947
>>96353504 (OP)
No. Please. Don't do this GW.
>primarislop
Into the don't buy folder it goes.
Anonymous No.96353958 >>96354330
>>96353788
>Inevitable
Anonymous No.96353991 >>96354018 >>96354523
>DoW after the bullshit that was 3
Anonymous No.96354003
>>96353567
lurk learn some board and site culture before you take it upon yourself to start policing it you arrogant newfag piece of shit
better yet fuck off and moderate your own discord which is what your personality is infinitely more suited to
Anonymous No.96354011
>>96353504 (OP)
>primarishit
>EVERYTHING is a direct one-to-one recreation of the models with no variation whatsoever
>no chaos
it's soulless, at least DoW 3 had some unique designs
Anonymous No.96354018 >>96354037 >>96354319
>>96353991
Even 2 was them trying to change the formula because they used the core mechanics for CoH
Anonymous No.96354037
>>96354018
I liked 2. Yeah it wasn't 1, but it was still cute little squad tactics. The multiplayer maps were atrocious.
Anonymous No.96354056 >>96354177 >>96354360 >>96366074
>>96353504 (OP)
theres female space marines in it
Anonymous No.96354177
>>96354056
Source?@?@?@?@?@?@
Anonymous No.96354319 >>96354394 >>96354505
>>96354018
2 is an amazing game in its own right. Not DoW1 for sure, but it pretty much nailed the lite rpg aspect with the loot and the various equipable items.
Anonymous No.96354330 >>96354441
>>96353958
If the game is even semi-successful, they will milk it with 5000 DLC, with all sorts of factions, and cosmetics for each faction etc.
Have you seen how many DLC there are for Gladius?
Anonymous No.96354353
I can't think of a single modern RTS studio I would trust with this
Anonymous No.96354360
>>96354056
Pre-ordered.
Anonymous No.96354394
>>96354319
The campaign definitely makes it, a handful of marines overcoming vastly outnumbering xenos is really appropriate and fun
Anonymous No.96354441 >>96360720
>>96354330
It's published by Slitherine, which were always ripoff merchants pricing their games like their target audience is still buying mail order PC wargames from the advert at the back of a magazine, but have modernised by keeping that and incorporating the worst aspects of Paradox JDLC
Anonymous No.96354467 >>96366044
>>96353580
Space Marines as God Emperor intended!
Anonymous No.96354485 >>96354521 >>96354523
>>96353504 (OP)
>People trying to defend 3 cuz this has "Durr Primaris"
Lmao, we are getting revisionism next?
Btw this is most likely fake af.
Anonymous No.96354504
>>96353580
Admech
Anonymous No.96354505 >>96360479
>>96354319
2 was genuinely better campaign wise. Gameplay wise I'd say 1 was better, but jesus Chaos Rising got me hooked. And the music.
Anonymous No.96354521 >>96354644 >>96354668 >>96359988
>>96354485
Its not
Anonymous No.96354523 >>96354668
>>96353991
New studio so that's... something?
>>96354485
How do you like feeling this fucking retarded?
https://youtu.be/OSCi53UnIMw
Anonymous No.96354549 >>96355215 >>96359988
Its already up on Steam
Anonymous No.96354570 >>96354660 >>96379856
Iron Harvest devs.

Not sure how I feel about that. Its more like 1 though so thats good.
Anonymous No.96354644 >>96354676 >>96354806 >>96355138
>>96354521
From what I can tell
>dawn of war 1 style base building, multiple structures in the base
>dawn of war 2 style resources and capture points, no relic points or that other junk from 1
>larger scale than 1, there are 16 units and that's less than a third of the pop cap
>cover mechanics, can see units behind sandbags
>veterancy and upgrades, can see chevrons and upgrades in the lower right
>special commanders with unique offmap abilities, space marine commander seems able to call in air strikes
Looks cool, a blend of 1 and 2
Anonymous No.96354660 >>96354664 >>96354995 >>96358887 >>96379856
>>96354570
Iron Harvest is a lot better than CoH3 and DoW3, so there is that.
Anonymous No.96354664 >>96354689
>>96354660
I've heard it was Meh/10.
Anonymous No.96354668
>>96354521
>>96354523
>It's real
WHAT!? WHAT!?
Anonymous No.96354676 >>96354697 >>96354781 >>96357729
>>96354644
Yep, looks great. Also pic related is veeeery promising. If its 70 missions minimum, then that means each campaign is 15+ missions long, which is great, even if they would cheap out and doing it DoW 2 Retribution style with giving all the faction the same missions with just slight variations depending on your faction. But i believe they wont do that this time. At least not for the base game.
Anonymous No.96354687
>>96353567
Based. One day /tg/ will learn and accept that generals are unironically good for the board.
Anonymous No.96354689 >>96354694 >>96354995
>>96354664
And Meh is quite a lot better than garbage and utter garbage, dont you think?

Steam reviews for it are 75% positive
CoH3: 62% positive
DoW3: 47% positive

I take the Iron Harvest Devs game any day over Relic.

DoW2 and 3 are 80% off on steam right now btw.
Anonymous No.96354694 >>96354748
>>96354689

I suppose, but better than DoW3 and CoH3 isn't exactly the highest hurdle to leap.
Anonymous No.96354697 >>96354729 >>96359406
>>96354676
>John French
>legendary
Anonymous No.96354729
>>96354697

Bring back /ourlad/ Gotto
Anonymous No.96354748 >>96354783
>>96354694
Thats true. But honestly, if its technically stable with good performance, and somewhat near DoW1 gameplay (base building etc), then i will happily even take a 7 or 8/10 game. Not every game needs to be a 10/10 to be enjoyable to play. And if they add mod support, then thats all thats needed for years to come.
Anonymous No.96354781 >>96354805
>>96354676
>John French
So they getting an actual legit Black Library writter? Huh, coin toss.
Anonymous No.96354783 >>96354789 >>96354796 >>96354812 >>96379863
>>96354748
Yeah I'll remain hopeful, but its very possible it just ends up meh also.

Cyrus has a new VA doesn't he? Thats a bummer.
Anonymous No.96354789 >>96354813 >>96379863
>>96354783
Nope, Steve Blum's just getting old.
Anonymous No.96354796
>>96354783
He does? It felt more like Steve Blum reprising his role from DoW2
Anonymous No.96354805 >>96354871 >>96355085
>>96354781
French isn't bad, but he isn't up there with like ADB, McNeil, or Abnett.
Anonymous No.96354806
>>96354644
Something about these unit positions looks... weird. I hope it's a proper RTS and not like an autobattler or something.
Anonymous No.96354810 >>96354816
No chaos?
Not complaining, it is a interesting decision
Or are they going to be the secret real bad guys?
Anonymous No.96354812
>>96354783
Dawn of War 2 came out 16 years ago. He's just old.
Anonymous No.96354813 >>96354828
>>96354789
>Steve Blum's just getting old.
Anonymous No.96354816 >>96354842 >>96360726
>>96354810
Chaos haven't been a launch faction for DOW since 1.
Anonymous No.96354828
>>96354813
I know. It fucking sucks. The day he dies is gonna be a real pain.
Anonymous No.96354842
>>96354816
So since the good one.
Anonymous No.96354871 >>96354934
>>96354805
Yeah. That being said, I do find those three got their issues but I really like their writting, namely Abnett's.
Anonymous No.96354877 >>96354883
>primarishit
Anonymous No.96354883 >>96355116
>>96354877
Primaris are kings
Anonymous No.96354888 >>96354903 >>96370247
>>96353504 (OP)

I grimaced when I saw the preview and wondered why are they getting back on this horse after the disaster of 3. Like, it has NOT been long enough since that, the whole franchise is still tainted and one remastering of the first game is going to clean that out.

...but then I also saw that someone's making a fourth Bubsy game and realised that were just straight up in the bad timeline.
Anonymous No.96354903 >>96354982
>>96354888
Not long enough? Dow 3 was 8 years ago
Anonymous No.96354906
>>96353692
No
Anonymous No.96354913 >>96354937
Why are the Blopod Ravens back on Kronus? Wasn't the world purged?
Anonymous No.96354934 >>96355078
>>96354871

Abnetts only problem is that he occaisionally has to be told not to murder the named characters with attached dollar value when he's doing Marvel stuff. His insistance on killing every single character with a voice line in Alien Isolation is what made that final quarter REALLY drag, and it wasn't helped by the fact that it starts with you doing the Nostromo Self-Destruct sequence moment, which has become the narrative trope for "welcome to the last twenty minutes of the experience TOPS." in sci-fi from that point onwards.
Anonymous No.96354937 >>96357740
>>96354913
missed a spot
Anonymous No.96354982 >>96355008
>>96354903

It needed another two years in the sin-bin. Like, take this time to remaster 2 and merge all the DLC stuff into it, go back and really polish Last Stand mode as well. THEN reveal 4, and as a tie-in put an Admech hero into Last Stand. THATS how they should have played this.
The hype would have been so much better. I should not be feeling mild anxiety and concern with a dim spark of optimism for this. But that's all I've got.

Still... as I said... at least they aren't trying to make a fourth Bubsy game. Jesus fucking christ who the fuck funded THAT? How did they convince anyone with more brains than a jar of pro-biotic yoghurt that ANY Bubsy game in history has been anything but risible garbage that does nothing but make the games it was shamelessly aping better in the comparison?

...is that it? Is SEGA and Ninty secretly joint funding Bubsy 4 to make their own next Sonic and Mario games look better by comparison?
Anonymous No.96354995
>>96354660
>>96354689
Outside the setting Iron Harvest plays like a "cheap" CoH1.5.
The biggest problem about CoH3 is the lack of content and, unlike DoW3, it is an improvement to CoH2 in terms of mechanics.
Anonymous No.96355006 >>96355013
>it will be 3v3 like Iron Harvest
fucking niggers
Anonymous No.96355008
>>96354982
You sound retarded and autistic so I'm glad nobody listens to you
Anonymous No.96355013 >>96356977
>>96355006
And DoW 2
Anonymous No.96355039
>>96353504 (OP)
It gives me Dow3 bit with sync kills and primaris vibe.
Anonymous No.96355078
>>96354934
Pretty much the reason Abnett's most successful mainstream work has been as part of a writing team, especially his work with Andy Lanning.
He can paint really good scenes but his story planning and character stuff has always tended to falter at some point in every book.
Anonymous No.96355085
>>96354805
>French

His Ahriman books were actually quite good.
Anonymous No.96355116 >>96355164
>>96354883
King shit.
Anonymous No.96355138 >>96358454
>>96354644
Sounds like a fair compromise from 1 and 2. This was bound happen as both games have their hardcore fanbases that wish the next DoW was more like the one they like.
Anonymous No.96355164 >>96355276 >>96370234
>>96355116
Nobody cares about Firstborne anymore, you are part of the past, rot away or adapt with the times.
Anonymous No.96355215
>>96354549
so, he does use phobos armor, i don't get why they decide to animate him with a normal primaris armor
Anonymous No.96355276 >>96355317 >>96356794
>>96355164
Shitmaris are the AoS-ification of 40k. Neither will endure.

Secretly, you know it's true.
Anonymous No.96355309 >>96355340 >>96369942
not a tabletop player. do BR have specialty rules on tabletop?
Anonymous No.96355317
>>96355276
>saying this as if AoS hasn't been around for a decade
Anonymous No.96355340
>>96355309
No, not this edition
Anonymous No.96356763 >>96357703
>Plot by John French

>Sigismund returns from the dead to save the Blood Ravans
Anonymous No.96356774 >>96357697
>>96353504 (OP)

Is there a lore reason why the marine in the poster is fifth company.
Anonymous No.96356794
>>96355276
>Neither will endure.
Yeah, two more weeks till the 10 year old thing gets remove from the setting
Anonymous No.96356977
>>96355013
Dow 2 had 1v1s 2v2s 3v3s FFA and 2v2v2.
It also had Last Stand
Anonymous No.96357697
>>96356774
I hope it's because The Fated are coming back
Anonymous No.96357703
>>96356763
>this is the lore reason to explain the gene-seed of Blood Ravens is Imperial Fist
>all TS/WB loyalist theorists go into a riot
Anonymous No.96357712
>>96353692
they are in a weird canon limbo last I recall, they haven't been outright retconned by at the same time they also haven't really been mentioned at all since the cron shake up
Anonymous No.96357729 >>96358423 >>96360479
>>96354676
>John French was the guy who made the Ahriman series
place your bets on how much will he beat you over the head with the TS and Blood Raven connection
Anonymous No.96357740
>>96354937
I think it might be more the necrons are just invading the place to scavenge for shit, after all one of the shots is a necron lord looking over a planet
Anonymous No.96358390
>>96353504 (OP)
Oh noes. Another different color spess marine.
Anonymous No.96358423 >>96358897 >>96359321 >>96360618
>>96357729
It would be a good thing. We finally have clarification
Anonymous No.96358445
>>96353504 (OP)
>RTS which looks like autobattler for mobile
>Every guy and his brother
Doubt.
Anonymous No.96358454
>>96355138
>Sounds like a fair compromise from 1 and 2
Nah, seems more like attempt to match tabletop scale (it's Iron harvest devs after all), which is terrible idea.
Anonymous No.96358887
>>96354660
That's more of a testament to how low the bar is than anything else
Anonymous No.96358897 >>96358937
>>96358423
>ambiguity is le bad
I would bitch about how awful the loss of ambiguity has been for the setting but I don't have it in me to care anymore
Anonymous No.96358937 >>96359355
>>96358897
Nobody said it's bad. But after 15 years such a rumour has been discussed to completion and there can be something else.
Anonymous No.96358984 >>96359024 >>96359307 >>96359981 >>96380531 >>96380574
I played through the space marine singleplayer campaign of DoW1 earlier this year and was quite surprised by how boring it was. Is it just me? I know most video games suck ass but people talk like god himself programmed this shit.
Anonymous No.96359024
>>96358984
I played it last week when the definitive edition was released. And it really was pretty bland. Times have changed of course, and I'm a lot older than I was when the game originally released but it really wasn't very special.
The campaign in DoW 2 did the presentation and storytelling way better, and it also aged way better, despite the definitive edition of 1
Anonymous No.96359298
>>96353504 (OP)
I dunno, ask /40kg/
Anonymous No.96359307
>>96358984
I don't think I ever played the campaign just PvP and PvE skirmish.
Anonymous No.96359309
>>96353504 (OP)
Oh no! One less FOUNDING CHAPTER BUTTFUCKINATORS PRIMUS(tm) getting painted?!
WHAT
EVER
SHALL
WE
HECKIN
DOOOOOOOOO?!
Anonymous No.96359321 >>96359366
>>96358423
>It would be a good thing.
>We finally have clarification
These two statements directly contradict one another, wiki-diving loretuber scum
Anonymous No.96359355 >>96359368 >>96359381 >>96359781 >>96359886
>>96358937
>there can be something else.
How mamy times must GW blast your face with the wet farts they call EPIC REVEALS before you learn that some mystery boxes shouldn't be opened?
>nothing was wrong Lion, he was literally just sleepwalking
>the Fallen were just a miscommunication, the Dark Angels never actually had a dark secret to protect
>the Terminus Decree is just a note in a box that says "pls put Bossman E back on his toilet if he gets up"
>the eldar death god of salvation doesn't actually do anything
>the tyranids are only here because some space marine accidentally poked a funny relic during the horus heresy
>the entire horus heresy was caused by a woman moment
Literally every time GW has revealed or progressed anything, it's always a subtractive process. It doesn't expand or flesh out the setting in any meaningful way, it just rips out a tiny nugget of mystery and wonder and leaves a gaping wound where that nugget once rested.
Anonymous No.96359366 >>96359421
>>96359321
How do they contradict themselves? Do you even know what you said?
Anonymous No.96359368 >>96359428
>>96359355
>Muh mystery

There is no mystery left if it's decade old lore. Everything has been discussed countless of times.
Anonymous No.96359379
>>96353692
The animated series from 2023 was called Pariah Nexus so I think it's safe to say Pariahs aren't totally forgotten and might get reintroduced in the future. Hopefully with a huge redesign though because Pariahs look like shit
Anonymous No.96359381
>>96359355
Did you get all your lore info from some YouTubers? It's completely wrong for the most part
Anonymous No.96359406
>>96354697
Nah French is great, as long as he doesn't touch any faction he dislikes

So basically he's only good at writing Ahriman, but he's REALLY REALLY good at writing it!
Anonymous No.96359421 >>96359507
>>96359366
He has erroneously implied that it would somehow be a good thing to give Blood Ravens a definitive origin. Utter foolishness, I know.
Anonymous No.96359424 >>96370196
>>96353504 (OP)
>armies getting painted
holy based
Anonymous No.96359428
>>96359368
>mystery = my ability to shitpost and poggers out over information on reddit
Someone call the Culexus Guild, we got a soulless Blank here for em.
Anonymous No.96359447
>admech is in
odds are they're gonna go GS Cult and Votann too?
Anonymous No.96359507 >>96359518 >>96359880
>>96359421
Would you rather repeat the same theories for another 10 years?
Anonymous No.96359518
>>96359507
It's an eternal loop.
Old thing good - new thing bad.
New thing comes, formerly new thing becomes old thing.
Old thing (the artist formerly known as new thing) is now good thing.
Anonymous No.96359781 >>96359890
>>96359355
Not all mysteries are equal, reveling who the Hive mind is or who/what made the Tyranids and for what purpose would be bad because part of the charm of the faction is the cosmic horror, telling what made them move to our galaxy is whatever at worst because the faction is basically the same and the explanation makes sense, and no, just because it debunks the "Tyranids are running from something bigger" theory doesn't mean that the mystery is killed because that was a retarded theory anyway that didn't make sense when you thought about it for more than 12 seconds
Anonymous No.96359880 >>96360113 >>96360323 >>96360347 >>96364757
>>96359507
Yes, unironically. Leaving them open ended is far better than a definitive answer. Sometimes you just plain shouldn't know what's inside the golden glowing suitcase and it only makes the story worse, not better.

Besides, you wikifags will never be satisfied until the setting is reduced to a series of dry, bland articles. What will you really get out of Blood Ravens being descended from TSons instead of Black Legion or some loyalist chapter? How has your opinion of Black Dragons changed now that they've gone from an unknown founder to being Salamanders successors? How has that improved or fleshed out the setting in any way?
Anonymous No.96359886 >>96359917
>>96359355
>nothing was wrong Lion, he was literally just sleepwalking
Only happened recently, he wasn't like Guilliman who got stabbed twice in the same place with esoteric weapons and literally had to die to come back.
>the Fallen were just a miscommunication, the Dark Angels never actually had a dark secret to protect
People literally bemoaned the whole "dark secret" as dumb and try hardish for decades. And the whole Miscommunication thing is reductive as fuck.
>The eldar death god of salvation doesn't actually do anything
This is not revealling a mystery because Ynnead was all about giving the Eldar a chance against Slaanesh through Sacrifice.
>the tyranids are only here because some space marine accidentally poked a funny relic during the horus heresy
Doesn't reveal anything about the existence of the Tyranids. Only explains how the Tyranids found our system.
>the entire horus heresy was caused by a woman moment
Literally dumb nonsense on the same level as "The Emperor deliberately caused the Heresy".
Only the terminus decree is
Anonymous No.96359890
>>96359781
>muh mystery
But anon, if you don't reveal the hive mind or who created the nids then we'll just have the same old theories for another decade!!!
Anonymous No.96359917 >>96360117 >>96360317
>>96359886
>People literally bemoaned the whole "dark secret" as dumb and try hardish for decades.
The problem is they replaced it with literally nothing. DAngles went from cringey tryhards to sauceless retards.
>This is not revealling a mystery
It was a half-assed progression (and apparently conclusion) of a long-dangling plot thread for the eldar. Just like how Cadia and Octarius were flaccid and half-assed as fuck. I expect the Rhana Dandra to go much the same way.
>Only explains how the Tyranids found our system.
And it's a stupid reveal that links literally everything back to the HH again.
Anonymous No.96359981
>>96358984
I like 1's campaign. It's good, not great, and oldhammer to its core.
Anonymous No.96359988 >>96365606
>>96353504 (OP)
>Every guy and his brother is gonna paint a Blood Ravens
Good
>>96354521
>>96354549
>Plain Assault Ints with no Jump Packs
Fucking why? Did this game start development before GW designed them?
Anonymous No.96360113 >>96360161
>>96359880
>How has your opinion of Black Dragons changed now that they've gone from an unknown founder to being Salamanders successors? How has that improved or fleshed out the setting in any way?

What did it take away tho? You can always claim it's an in universe propaganda lie to cover up the truth.
Anonymous No.96360117 >>96360171
>>96359917
>And it's a stupid reveal that links literally everything back to the HH again.

You don't like the HH?
Anonymous No.96360161 >>96360364 >>96381252
>>96360113
>What did it take away tho?
Some of the sinister mystety of the cursed founding.

More importantly, what did it add? What have we gained from gouging out that tiny nugget of mystery? This is the exact same logic as femstodes/femarines, you know.
>You can always claim it's an in universe propaganda lie to cover up the truth
And you can claim the same about primaris or the inevitable femarines.
Anonymous No.96360171
>>96360117
I have SOME semblance of self-respect, so no.
Anonymous No.96360317 >>96360373
>>96359917
>The problem is they replaced it with literally nothing. DAngles went from cringey tryhards to sauceless retards.
Sauceless retards and cringey tryhards are the same thing, opposite spectrum.
>It was a half-assed progression (and apparently conclusion) of a long-dangling plot thread for the eldar. Just like how Cadia and Octarius were flaccid and half-assed as fuck. I expect the Rhana Dandra to go much the same way.
Only pushes how it's not a mystery and more of a grimderp 2: electric boogaloo situation 40k is
>And it's a stupid reveal that links literally everything back to the HH again.
Wow, something connects to a huge galactic conflict? Shocker
Anonymous No.96360323
>>96359880
The general consensus was that they were Salamanders in all but name,but they were being vague
Anonymous No.96360347 >>96360384 >>96360398
>>96359880
>What will you really get out of Blood Ravens being descended from TSons instead of Black Legion or some loyalist chapter?
Literally anything? You can learn what they did to escape the flesh change, how the rest of their legion (and specially Ahriman) sees them, you can create division on the Blood Ravens, you can have the Word Bearers blackmail them, etc. Hell, you can built new mysteries on top of it, you could have it that in order to escape the flesh change they did something horrible that they don't tell you what is and it's only vaguely implied, you could have them have some mysterious pact with demons for whatever reason which will tie up with their relationship with the grey knights. And please, anyone and their mothers knows that they are TS, literally none is going to be surprised if they reveal who they are, not to mention that being from a traitor legion isn't even that special
Anonymous No.96360364 >>96360396
>>96360161
>Some of the sinister mystety of the cursed founding.

What exactly Anon? You are not saying anything.
It changes nothing about the sinister nature of the cursed founding. Something went wrong there, and nobody knows what. It was clear before that they used geneseed of existing legions, and it was never implied that they didn't. So what does it change if "unknown" changes to "known", when the main fact of your sinister mystery is still unclear?
How are the Black Dragons less mutating now?
Anonymous No.96360373
>>96360317
>Sauceless retards and cringey tryhards are the same thing, opposite spectrum.
They're really not. At least the tryhards have SOMETHING you can work with. Now DAs just sort of...exist.
>Only pushes how it's not a mystery and more of a grimderp 2: electric boogaloo situation 40k is
I never said it was a mystery, dumbass. I specifically also addressed the "false progression" that's been occurring since 8th where sweeoing chabges to the setting big and small amount to nothing except for making the setting less interesting. 40K is lesser for not having a massive ork vs nid tarpit powder keg engulfing a chunk of the galaxy, not greater for having a definitive conclusion to it.
>Wow, something connects to a huge galactic conflict?
Not everything needs to go back to HH. Would you like it of GW revealed that the Emperor was just an Eldar science experiment gone wrong?
Anonymous No.96360384 >>96360653
>>96360347
>Literally anything?
Like what?
>You can learn what they did to escape the flesh change
How does that make the Blood Ravens themselves more interesting or change things going forwards?
>you can create division on the Blood Ravens
Did you even play DoW2?
>you can built new mysteries on top of it
Yeah, look at all those new mysteries DAngels got like...
And uh...
>not to mention that being from a traitor legion isn't even that special
And now you're just admitting it'd be an uninteresting reveal if it's not even particularly noteworthy.
Anonymous No.96360396 >>96360410
>>96360364
>So what does it change if "unknown" changes to "known"
If it changes nothing, why change it? What's been gained?
>when the main fact of your sinister mystery is still unclear?
What's unclear now? They're just sallies with a flawed geneseed now
>How are the Black Dragons less mutating now?
They've never been mutatING as in constantly undergoing mutation. They just have a single weird flaw in the geneseed now.
Anonymous No.96360398
>>96360347
But but but Anon.. all the mystery.
Anonymous No.96360410 >>96360625
>>96360396
>What's been gained?

Nothing. My point is rather that it does not matter at all, and you are making a lot of drama about literally nothing.

>They're just sallies with a flawed geneseed now
Just like before

And just like before, nobody really gives a shit about them. Have you ever seen someone post a Black Dragon miniature here?
Anonymous No.96360479
>>96354505
1 is without doubt the better game, Overall. 2's campaign though, ooh that got the Feel of space marines right. A small group going ham on everything in front of them.
>>96357729
So long as we get ADB crying over the matter again, I'm willing to accept French. So long as the inevitable Le Chaos is... here! twist doesn't feature Iron Warriors. I find 'em bland, sure, but I think he's done enough damage to them at this point.
Anonymous No.96360618 >>96360677
>>96358423
I've seen your kind, time and time again. Every fleeing man must be caught. Every secret must be unearthed.
Such is the conceit of the self-proclaimed seeker of truth.
But in the end, you lack the stomach.
For the agony you'll bring upon yourself
Anonymous No.96360625 >>96360999
>>96360410
>Nothing.
I accept your concession
>My point is rather that it does not matter at all
Yet you want it to happen. Odd.
>you are making a lot of drama about literally nothing.
If you don't care then why do you clamor for reveals?
Anonymous No.96360653 >>96360681
>>96360384
>How does that make the Blood Ravens themselves more interesting or change things going forwards?
Are you kidding me? A subsector of Thousands Sons that weren't affected by the flesh change would make them more interesting because they were the only one to do it, not to mention that you could written a better dynamic (or any really) with how they interact with the main legion or even the Black Legion given how Abby was interested in them in Retribution
>Did you even play DoW2?
I'm not talking about something like half the chapter going traitor, I'm talking about a ideological division, over the top of my head, you can have some marines wanting to come clean to the Imperium and give themselves to the Inquisition to prove that they are loyal, you can have marines that want to bury everything and pretent that it never happened, you can have marines that want to go on a penitent crusade to kill all Thousands Sons, etc
>Yeah, look at all those new mysteries DAngels got like...
And uh...
But we never got any mysteries revealed, or at least in their latest novel
>And now you're just admitting it'd be an uninteresting reveal if it's not even particularly noteworthy.
Yeah, because the interesting part are the implications and possibilities
Anonymous No.96360677 >>96360684
>>96360618
Not him, but if I was him I would rather get called a faggots and a nigger over getting dropped such a tr hard and faggy text that looks copypasted from Reddit
Anonymous No.96360681 >>96360843
>>96360653
>A subsector of Thousands Sons that weren't affected by the flesh change would make them more interesting
The Ynnari already cured the flesh change once and that changed literally nothing.
Anonymous No.96360684
>>96360677
Which is why you deserve the dark souls text drop. It clearly hurts you more.
Anonymous No.96360720
>>96354441
Gladius and Zephon are quite good though, just dont pay for it lol
Anonymous No.96360726
>>96354816
Marines, Chaos Orks and Elves is the best starting roster
Anonymous No.96360843 >>96360933
>>96360681
>The Ynnari already cured the flesh change once and that changed literally nothing.
Because it was redundant, Ahriman was already interested in the Eldar given how he wants to enter the Black Library, if the Blood Ravens are able to actually pull it off it would be more interesting because
1)They actually were part of the legion
2)They are human and therefore, Ahriman is more familiar with them
Also,it doesn't have to change the wider setting, you can just have the Blood Ravens running away forever from the Thousands Sons or having to fight the Black Legion constantly because, let's say that Abby have a suspicion that they were TS but doesn't know how they avoided the flesh change and he wants to know about it to buy the entire TS to his side (this would explain why he was so interested into them in Retribution but threw Eliphas, the literal who who failed twice, to do his bidding)
Anonymous No.96360933 >>96361010
>>96360843
>Because it was redundant
But it won't be this time when nothing is done with it again!
Anonymous No.96360999
>>96360625
>Yet you want it to happen

Who said that?
Anonymous No.96361010 >>96362460
>>96360933
Ok, so what's the problem then? Nothing it's done and therefore they won't reveal any more mysteries outside the ones that are soft confirmed.
Anonymous No.96362460 >>96362767 >>96363073
>>96361010
>soft confirmed
Relic specifically put out multiple contradictory hints to shroud the Blood Ravens' origins in mystery, dumbass. Nothing about them is "soft confirmed"

And you've yet to answer WHY ypu want to answer, because you can't admit the truth: you just want to fill out an entry on a wiki. You want loretuber "content" rather than an interesting setting with murky zones of wonder and lost history.
Anonymous No.96362767 >>96362910
>>96362460
>Nothing about them is "soft confirmed"
They are a chapter with more psykers than usual, with an obsession with knowledge and to guard it, they wear red like the legion before the heresy, all of their chapter masters were psykers until Angelos, they have somewhat of a connection with the Grey Knights as seen in DC and Soulstorm (if you want to count that as canon), for fucks sake Isidor falls to chaos the exact same way as Magnus and his legion, who the fuck would they be otherwise? The fucking Word Bearers because Eliphas called them brothers once (even though marines do this with marines of different geneseed all the time anyway) and it's never mentioned again? The fucking Blood Angels because they have the word "Blood" and their icon has a drop of blood?
>And you've yet to answer WHY ypu want to answer,
I literally explained it to you on the first post, if you can't read that's your problem
Anonymous No.96362910
>>96362767
Tbf anon, Eliphas calls them brother out of smug mockery.
Eliphas is one of those faux affably evil characters who's affably is just a front and is too smug to realize when shit goes downhill until it hits him back
Anonymous No.96363073 >>96365303
>>96362460
>And you've yet to answer WHY ypu want to answer
Isn't the point of a mystery the fun in piecing out the answer?
You want an interesting mystery but you don't want people wondering about the answer?
If you have a mystery that people can't piece out, even remotely, then it doesn't end up being that interesting
Anonymous No.96363334 >>96363350 >>96364235 >>96380548
>>96353504 (OP)

I remember being too contrarian to want a VG based army when 1 came out, but it's been 20 years and they're now pretty firmly in the Warhammer lore.

Also weird they never did a female farseer for all the Macha and Taldeer fanboys.

Anyways, I find 40K pretty unplayable as a mostly non-autistic 35 year old dude but I'm thinking of doing my phobos kill team as Blood Ravens(that or Mentors).
Anonymous No.96363350
>>96363334
Funny thing cuz 1 was basically hand-waving the lore at times. Like remember Crull, the WE Chaos Lord? Tbf he and Carron were reskins of Bale. Same attitude, and bizarre khornate behavior
Anonymous No.96363545 >>96364125 >>96369807
>>96353657
it's not made by relic
Anonymous No.96364125
>>96363545
That's a good thing considering it was Relic what ran DoW to the ground
Anonymous No.96364235
>>96363334
>Also weird they never did a female farseer for all the Macha and Taldeer fanboys.
None buys eldar since they are just inferior version of space marines
Anonymous No.96364757
>>96359880
>How has that improved or fleshed out the setting in any way?
Bro there's more LORE bro! I can now read more LORE on the wiki! There's a game on this shit? I don't care, I want more LORE!
Anonymous No.96365303
>>96363073
>You want an interesting mystery but you don't want people wondering about the answer?
You can't wonder about the answer if the answer is given, retard. Would Pulp Fiction be a better movie if you saw inside the briefcase?
Anonymous No.96365606 >>96394183
>>96359988
>Fucking why? Did this game start development before GW designed them?
It's an upgrade, so that's the mechanical reason - tech trees and unit customizations. According to some folks who had access to the preview demo build, you can upgrade the assault marines (I refuse to use nuhammer terminology) with jump packs and you can give upgrade them with either power swords and hand flamers (for anti-infantry) or thunder hammers and plasma pistols (for anti-vehicle)
Anonymous No.96365914
>>96353504 (OP)
>Every guy and his brother is gonna paint
I'm not sure I've ever been as optimistic as you.
Anonymous No.96366044
>>96354467
Adeptus Skibidi?
Anonymous No.96366074 >>96368412
>>96354056
I wish. I'm not the kind of turbotard who meltsdown because of female custodes
Anonymous No.96368412
>>96366074
Real talk, the issue of female custodes isn't their existence, it's that they pull a "they are always there", and they attempt to showcase them, only so they get sidelined by a Sister of Silence.
Anonymous No.96369807
>>96363545
Gives me more confidence the devs might actually deliver tbqh; though Relic, being gutted before they went independent again, would have to be hungry for a successful game and would be under pressure to deliver what the market actually wants instead of what it should want
Anonymous No.96369822
>>96353504 (OP)
Primaris garbage is still garbage even with good colors
Anonymous No.96369942
>>96355309
They had some index rules for either 8th or 9th edition in a white Dwarf. I think I've still got it somewhere because I was doing a clear out of my white dwarves and keeping the ones I genuinely enjoyed.

Also cute seal pic
Anonymous No.96370196
>>96359424
Do you think they'll let you upload custom banners/markers again?
Anonymous No.96370234 >>96379910
>>96355164
you are the rot killing 40k and are corposlop
Anonymous No.96370247
>>96354888
Yeah things start to feel like they go by faster as you get older, don't they mister?
Anonymous No.96372926
>>96353692
Saaar. Pariah is racist term saaar.
Anonymous No.96379856 >>96379966
>>96354660
>>96354570
I'm one of the like five people who really liked iron harvest so for that alone I'll probably buy the game at some point.
Anonymous No.96379863
>>96354789
>>96354783
I imagine steve's also been too busy with the new cawaduty to really do anything else too.
Anonymous No.96379910 >>96392106
>>96370234
Just go to another setting man.
Anonymous No.96379966
>>96379856
I liked the demo until base building became a thing. I liked the vibe of a ragtag band of militia and mechs tromping through the countryside better.
Anonymous No.96380531 >>96381898
>>96358984
There's a reason why most DoW vets go straight to Dark Crusade, or Winter Assault if feeling like getting some more cutscenes.
Anonymous No.96380548
>>96363334
>Also weird they never did a female farseer for all the Macha and Taldeer fanboys.
There was a female Spiritseer before DoW dropped.
Anonymous No.96380574
>>96358984
DoW in general is very casual-friendly. It might be a good entry point, but it's certainly lacks of any spice, simply because game was designed in such manner
Anonymous No.96380576 >>96380985
>>96353504 (OP)
so they've finally accepted nobody gives a shit about Eldar and they're a wasted slot as a base game faction?
Anonymous No.96380985
>>96380576
>reddit opinion
>posts a reddit screencap
lel
Anonymous No.96381108 >>96381452
>>96353560
Except if anything DoW had nu-like Crons as one of the first canon sources seeing they talked to others and had personalities instead of being shitty completely silent bland Terminator expies wholly controlled by Ctan like pokoemon, no?

As for Pariahs, they were never de-canonized. Just made rare not staple of all Cron armies. Or maybe that was just fancy Lychguard or something seeing they do mostly the same thing now and it would make sense for one to be herald/speaker of the Lord in charge.
Anonymous No.96381252
>>96360161
>What have we gained from gouging out that tiny nugget of mystery?

What "mystery"? That bit was always idiotic, every single SM chapter is forced to tithe part of their seed to testing on Mars so it should take them roughly 5 seconds to learn who exactly their Primarch was. At least BR have excuse of it being potentially traitor or lost primarch but Black Dragons were made from what AdMech had on hand in late M35 so it couldn't be one of these...
Anonymous No.96381452
>>96381108
>Except if anything DoW had nu-like Crons as one of the first canon sources seeing they talked to others and had personalities instead of being shitty completely silent bland Terminator expies wholly controlled by Ctan like pokoemon, no?
Not really. It was a pariah acting as a mouthpiece for a silent Tomb Lord
Anonymous No.96381898
>>96380531
Dark Crusade is arguably the best for that, namely because one of the things it does is introduce a completely diferent Chaos Lord and the Necrons with their funny mouthpiece
Anonymous No.96382012
>>96353504 (OP)
>they're going to paint
Come on now.
Anonymous No.96388389
maybe
Anonymous No.96392106
>>96379910
just uninstall from the hobby
Anonymous No.96392320
>>96353537
>the Gore Eagles
>the Angry Fists
>the Sons of Turpentine
>Our Lady of Perpetual Support Fire

When will this game die
Anonymous No.96392784
>>96353692
They don't have tabletop models or rules anymore, but weren't really removed from canon either. Plenty of necron factions do experiments on robotifying humans, to help figure out if they can reverse their own robotification.
Anonymous No.96394183 >>96396899
>>96365606
>I refuse to use nuhammer terminology
I refuse to use nuhammer terminology because it's hard to remember.
Anonymous No.96396716 >>96400566
>>96353504 (OP)
no Macha
no buy
Anonymous No.96396852
>>96353504 (OP)
If they make an upgrade kit I will use the shoulder pads on real ("firstborn") Space Marines
Anonymous No.96396899
>>96394183
That's silly. Stratoffensive Towardguard Intercessionators is pretty straightforward.
Anonymous No.96400566
>>96396716
>Arks of Omen excluded Eldar from Webway plotlines
>Dawn of War excludes Eldar from fight against Necron plotline
Future seems so bright
Anonymous No.96406281 >>96407638
Never got the hate against Primaris.
Anonymous No.96407638
>>96406281
Same, desu