Thread 96371334

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY1JaWT-CKo

Critical Role announced that for Campaign Four, they will be using D&D 5.5e.

What was the point of Daggerheart again? Why give Daggerheart a vote of no confidence? How is this supposed to convince people to play Daggerheart? Why abandon it in favor of more direct profits from using the usual 5e?

>>96371334 (OP)
>What was the point of Daggerheart again?
Remember Candela Obscura?

>>96371334 (OP)
>invent own system for D&D style fantasy
>cuck out of using it in your podcast
What????

>>96371334 (OP)
>13 players
>Mercer not DMing
>pick up and go West Marches style of play
OK unironically I think this sounds alright. WM gameplay should mean more focus on the game and less on the players convincing themselves they are the main character and trying to dripfeed their tragic backstory.

lol you actually thought they wanted to make their own game and not just a pretty picture book to sell to dndrones

>>96371334 (OP)
>>96371341
>>96371499
It's called disposable merch. Every influencer does it. That's how the coins roll in. Shouldn't have surprised anyone with half a brain.

Pro tip: they will do it again. And again.

because normalfaggot retards don't care about ttrpgs, they care about 'Dungeons & Dragons™' as a brand

>>96371334 (OP)
Because Critical Role by the time they locked in planning for Campaign 4 didnt know wether or not Daggerheart would be a success or be below expectations. Going for 5.5e is the safe and monetary smart choice. In fact during the very same interview you linked in the OP he says this exact thing, right out of Mercers mouth. Its the financially smart and less risky choice.

>>96371334 (OP)
Focussing their flagship product on the tested 5e system and pushing their own up and coming brand with sideshows seems like a logical move

>>96372360
>tested
The only thing tested about dnd 5e is how much of a shitshow it becomes past lvl 12 or so, encounter builder might as well not exist for the dm and the players can just narratively break everything

>>96372389
Anon, you might seethe as much as you like about 5e, but you cannot deny that they build their media empire and all of their 3 flagship shows on this very system. This is the definition of "true and tested, never change a running system. It just works."

>>96372313
>Because Critical Role by the time they locked in planning

>Planning
>"Live play tabletop"
More like pre-scripted slop and that just confirms it

>>96371334 (OP)
candela obscura 2.0?

From this pinterest leak it seems they started working on the new campaign before Daggerheart came out

>>96372785
>"ummm guys like stop acting like they won't do more daggerheart umm so like they're still doing like umm age of umbra??? y'all bein overdramatic!
>bring up candela obscura"
>they fall silent
Kek

>>96372844
>cuckifornians cant even make a pinterest board without forced diversity

>>96372187
Basically this
Most people are familiar with D&D so it lets the people use whats already known to get things moving quickly. If they switched to Daggerheart, they'd have to stop to explain rules and lore that would have already been known if they were using D&D.

Also, their brand was built by D&D, so it may be too much change for fans for them to switch up the system, especially when campaign four is also switching DMs.

>>96372844
>black elves

>>96374027
>>96374100
>worrying about the ai slop on Pinterest

>>96371483
I was thinking the same, didn't they make a whole new system to get out of WotC of the Coast's thumb? What the fuck happened?

>>96374200
They were probably preparing c4 like months ago, like before they knew about how popular daggerheart would sell. They do all their shit far in advance

>>96374100
Californians REFUSE to explore other mythologies and just want to blackwash Saxon works

>>96374248
Ah fair enough. So this is just clickbait

>>96371334 (OP)
>same mind-numbing 1h+ combats for years again that have zero compatibility with actual play as a medium
fuck me, I thought this was part of what daggerheart was going to fix, with the lose tit-for-tat player-enemy initiative order

>>96374249
It's honestly the dumbest shit. One things they were useful for was that their ideology of inclusion and diversity made them more prone to explore less used mythologies and give us more stuff like arabian nights and conan-shit, but no, they managed to cuck themselves out of that too by talking about cultural sensitivity and cultural appropriation and now they pat their backs at how noble they are for not touching any of those settings as they are so enlightened in their knowledge that they would only bastardize those cultures, and so they stick to giving us witcher netflix inbred backwater villages with perfect representation of every human ethnicity in every type of tolkien race.

>>96371334 (OP)
Draw steel will become the dominant alternative to 5.5 in one year's time. You will see. Screencap this.

>>96372313
>Going for 5.5e is the safe and monetary smart choice.
Considering how badly 5.5e is doing, it really isn't. People hate WotC more than ever and when the new books start coming out with more and more AI slop in them, CritRole will have to find a way to salvage the PR disaster that will come fro them when they have to explain why they are continuing to support and promote and work with a company that everyone has hated with increasing fervor for the last several years.

>>96375529
this is just always online hardcore lens shit, 99% of consumers of this shit don't even know about wotc's bad practices or don't care.

>>96374249
>elves
>saxon
The eternal anglo strikes again.

>>96375457
4e tactical bootleg game or 5.5 and the supreme gaming experience?

>>96375457
Old School Essentials will become the dominant alternative to 5.5 in one year's time. You will see. Screencap this.

>>96375703
>>96375457
Shadowdark already is the dominant alternative to 5.5 and it will be even more so in one year's time. You will see. Screencap this

>>96374100
Forsooth, we were Sidhe and such.

>>96371499
I thought they'd written something for there own tastes or failing that be less blatant about it being a cash grab.
>>96374248
You think they can't convert an unpublished generic fantasy setting from one system to another when it's their literal, get paid in cash, job? It's possible but I don't believe it.

>>96375572
Tolkien was doing Anglo-Saxon elves.
Anglo-Saxons used to worship Woden et al
Fuck off

>>96371334 (OP)
>Critical Role announced that for Campaign Four, they will be using D&D 5.5e.

>>96376063
They will come crawling over once they realize they want to do more on their turn than just "I attack". The modern audience also craves some storyshitter stuff where their character isn't retired after 2 sessions. You will see. Screencap this.

>>96371498
>pick up and go West Marches style of play
>West Marches style of play
>with three set groups
It doesn't sound West Marches to me

>spend all of gencon shilling your "dnd killer"
>instantly turn around and betray your audience
Absolute scum. Daggerheart is the new Candela Obscura.

>>96375529
>Considering how badly 5.5e is doing
It’s not made a splash and most people don’t give a shit about it. But D&D itself continues to be popular. It has the brand recognition, the retards who will never learn another game, and that lack of desire to learn something new even applies to a half edition. You think drooling retards like that want to learn an indie rpg? That’s too “nerdy” for them or using the new word too incel like. Critical role fans just want to be so nerdy and quirky XD girls who play D&D. Watching someone play an indie rpg is something an incel would do not a quirky Stacy.

>>96377642
You can just skip the game reviews whenever anyone asks about Daggerheart, now. Just tell them that even Critical Role doesn't play their own game.

>>96377660
D&D remains popular. 5.5e is a resounding flop. Not reading the rest of your tryhard post.

>>96377665
>Just tell them that even Critical Role doesn't play their own game.
This is so fucking funny

>>96377665
>5.5 is a flop
Crit role disagrees, they’ve paved the way for everyone to update to it

>>96377665
>Not reading the rest of your tryhard post.
I called you out huh femoid

>>96374074
>Lore
The thing which won't be similar to baseline D&D you mean? Already BLM talks about the orcs having a "revolution" against their dark lord, like the faggot saw what they did on Rings of Power and thought it was a good idea.

>>96371334 (OP)
They will always be remembered for their gigantic success with C1+C2, but this is one of those black spots they will aksi be remembered for. How they were in the unique position to potentially break the stranglehold of dnd and for real create a new landscape by introducing a real competitor, thus leading to a more varied scene where it's encouraged to play different games, and this in turn makes the games better with the variety and healthy competition.

Instead, they will be remembered for stabbing their fans in the back who believed in Matt's vision for an alterntive to dnd and who bought his product.

>>96371498
>Brennan Lee Mulligan DMing
Ew

>>96371498
Realistically you'll probably like 1 table out of three, meaning you'll be waiting for a long time before they rotate back to the gang you want to watch.

>>96377685
Sadly, all their fans just spent money on Faggershart and won't be buying more books for another game they aren't going to make time to play.

critical role is overhyped. It's okay, legends of vox machina is okay. It's just okay nothing to write home about.

>>96378208
What would you recommend instead for liveplay D&D?

>>96378230
Recreational bleach drinking.

>>96378240
>critical role is overhyped
>ok who should I watch
>j-just google
Ok

>>96377876
People will point at how Tolkien's Orcs had dreams of being free from Sauron's yoke, while ignoring that those dreams extended only as far as pillaging when and where they want, instead of getting told those details by Lugburz.

>>96371334 (OP)
>What was the point of Daggerheart again?
Cash

>>96378240
Keeps you healthy.

>>96378230
World of Io

>>96378461
Did you just recommend me some furry shit?

>>96378461
Is this you?

>>96378470
The dm's avatar is a raccoon dressed like a wizard but I don't see how that makes it furshit

>>96377669
Why did you turn the goodfellas scene into sloppa?

>>96371498
>13 players

Sweet Jesus why. I have 5 players and one more I'd kill myself

>>96377942
This is exactly what Im expecting. One table will be with the few chars/peeps I actually like and those I can tolerate the most and the other two will have those I have always disliked more on the show.

>>96381604
It will be in groups of 3

>>96376063
>>96375703
>>96375457
my shitbrew will become the dominant alternative to 5.5 in one year's time. You will see. Screencap this.

>>96371334 (OP)
Brennan has dainty little lady hands

>>96374248
It also brings in the potential annoyance factor of having to keep reworking shit based on playtest changes.

>>96376063
>5e is going to get replaced by a worse version of 5e whose main gimmick is a worse version of Darkest Dungeon's light mechanic

>>96378230
Playing D&D live

>>96372699
>>96372699
They schedule people to >>96372699
They professionally schedule people to play a live game. Just because you either don't play games or play with a bunch of people without jobs to schedule around doesn't mean people doing it professionally don't have to plan in advance play a live game. Just because you either don't play games or play with a bunch of people without jobs to schedule around doesn't mean people doing it professionally don't have to plan in advance

This is like that Dune concept of hesitating and giving into your fear and trying to play it safe is the very thing that kills you. I don't think this will pay off in the end.
or cr paypigs really are that stockholm syndrome where they will tolerate anything and stay loyal with them, reverting to 5.5 until two years from now when they will try to relaunch daggerheart again, and then they'll be there to give them a second chance once more

>>96385786
is this bait?
how is scheduling related to choosing a system?

>>96371334 (OP)
>my wholesome chungus celebs turned out to be disgusting grifters woe is me

Mercer just wanted to cash in on the WOTC drama, probably the most based move he made recently. Retarded CR fans need to be exploited.

>>96375457
Why not, this should piss off the bluesky tourists who hate anything not lame and gay.

ACKS will be the dominant alternative to 5.5 in one year's time, you will see. Screencap this.

Daggerheart is unironically a good game if you want a mix of dnd and pbta. You're all just too retarded to see it.

>>96375457
God I fucking hope you're right. It looks so damn fun.

>>96376063
Literally noone plays Shadowdark at my place. The shelves are lined with dnd, pf, and coc.

>>96388038
>Daggerheart is unironically a good game if you want a mix of dnd and pbta.
Critical Role doesn't think so. They won't even fucking play it on their own show. They're playing DND instead. LOL!

>>96372699
>schedule guests
>make props and decorations
>project budget including electricity, paychecks, etc
>shop around for sponsors
The APs that make money are a business, it's not that they are better at rpgs than random people on twitch it's that they're better at the money game

>>96388038
I know of 3 groups of 5e kids that switched to shadowdark in the last year.

>>96371334 (OP)
both are shit
play pf1e

>>96388038
I play Shadowdark by myself

>>96375572
Yes, literally. The Saxons believed in Woden, and the term "elfshot" and it's meaning prove that the Saxons believed in elves.

>>96375572
Is this implying there are other kinds of elves besides anglo saxon?
Personally I haven't seen any

>>96374249
>REFUSE to explore other mythologies
The ones that explored are Greek, Norse, Egyptian, sometimes Japanese and that's it
Other ones get over shadowed and maybe it's better they are so they aren't bastardized either

M O N E Y
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>>96387055
I think trying to read that anon's post hurt my head. Though I think it's true that trying to shoehorn Daggerheart into a West Marches style of game wouldn't work great. I wouldn't run something like Shadow of the Weird Wizard like that either.

Further from normal D&D you get, the less it works.

>>96388038
Little game stores aren't gonna stock anything but the big stuff most of the time, though the hilarious fuck ups in the printing industry maybe will change that. When it comes to Shadowdark, all I know is it has a big presence at conventions.

CR have probably spent over a year before Daggerheart dropped, and they will be playing a parallel DH campaign besides a West Marches campaign.
Why fucking 5.5e, though, this shit is gay dwarves with tattooed beards-tier.

In any case, my players like DH, will keep running it but it's gonna take a bit for me to autism an entire world, cause fuck modules and other people's campaign ideas.

>>96371334 (OP)
what happened to /crg/...

>>96397679
It's still a thing

>>96395442
>shoehorn Daggerheart into a West Marches style of game
stop being silly
it's not a West Marches style of game, they are just calling it that but it's literally missing everything that makes a West Marches style game

>>96390202
based soloplay enjoyer

Oh wooow, Critical Role is the little bitch of Hasbro. Who would have thought?

> A bunch of shit-ass actors
> Create a role game that fails because is a bad copy of another one (Candela Obscura)
> Create another role game and try to sell it to others but never play it because you have 0 faith on it, its s cam or you hate it. Besides has a horrible OGL who fucks in the ass all the creators.
> "a world ruled by orcs, wooo such original". Its literally Draenor from Warcraft

I hope Matt Mercer and all his smegma addicts followers burn in hell.

>>96399985
You are /pol/-tier contrarian.
Game isn't really that bad, already playtested it with the group. It's just more narrative-driven, combat is better, the weakness is the loose rules which could make any sperglords of your caliber ruin the DM's day.
D&D is a better pick for West Marches. Deal with it, faggot.

Why should I play Daggerheart if even the creators don't want to?

>>96404692
Play what you like.DH is ok. It's too new and doesn't fit the next campaign. Which said campaign was probably in development for a long time before DH was even in beta.

>>96388396
>They're playing DND instead. LOL!
"Playing" is a strong word

>>96371499
/thread

I've run DH games for twenty five different people so far, none of them have seen CR and even they are feeling awkward at wanting to keep exploring the system, it's so stupid

>>96388038
>Daggerheart is unironically a good game if you want a mix of dnd and pbta
>if you want a mix of dnd and pbta
>pbta
why the fuck would you want that

>>96374249
In the end progressives just wish that entire world was the West Coast USA with the West Coast American sensibilities.

>>96404460
>>96405740

> DH is good. Matt Mercer made it, so its good. No amtter if he and Critical Role dont play it. Believe anon. You are just haters.

Anon cant cope enough about his heroes dont give a shit about "their new, great, original, better game" that only exist so Critical Role drones keep consuming and talking about them.

>>96381604
It's not 13 players all at once, it's gonna be discrete groups cycling out it seems like. Normally West Marches games are a pool of however many people gathering together for somewhat adhoc sessions in usual party sizes; instead of all 13 people at once. But since this is basically their side hustle I imagine they've got something more rigid.

>>96408083
Don't lump us all in with the braindead Americans that would freak out if they actually had to interact with a foreigner that wasn't white or white passing, let alone try to process something like Aboriginal identity not revolving around how black they look.