Thread 96376500

I'm sorry, anons, I really am. Dark Sun will get a D&D5.5E supplement.

https://www.enworld.org/threads/dungeons-dragons-releases-new-unearthed-arcana-subclasses-strongly-hinting-at-dark-sun.714936/

>Dungeons & Dragons Releases New Unearthed Arcana Subclasses, Strongly Hinting at Dark Sun
>It appears a Dark Sun campaign setting book is coming out in 2026
>Wizards of the Coast has released four new D&D subclasses for playtesting, all of which have heavy thematic ties to the post-apocalyptic Dark Sun setting. The four subclasses, released as "Apocalyptic Subclasses," include the Circle of Preservation Druid, the Gladiator Fighter, the Defiled Sorcerer, and the Sorcerer-King Patron Warlock. Although not stated outright, the Gladiator and Sorcerer-King Patron are explicit nods to the Dark Sun setting, set in a ruined world ruled by Sorcerer-Kings where gladiatorial fights were common.
>The Circle of Preservation Druid creates areas of preserved land that grants buffs to those who stand upon it. The Gladiator adds secondary Weapon Mastery properties to their attacks, with bonus abilities. Notably, the Gladiator uses Charisma as its secondary stat. The Defiled Sorcerer can expend its hit dice to amp up damage to its attacks and can also steal the life of its targets to deal additional damage. The Sorcerer-King Patron gains a number of abilities tying into tyranny and oppression, with the ability to cast Command as a Bonus Action without expending a spell slot, causing targets to gain the Frightened Condition, and forcing those who attack them to re-roll successful attacks.

Let people enjoy things.

>>96376500 (OP)
So the question is, how will WOTC fuck it up

>>96377118
>remove muls because half-races are le bad
>remove lethality because having a gorillion HP is le good
>make psionics mechanically identical to magic

Joke's on you I will ignore them as usual

>>96376500 (OP)
Who gives a shit? I bought the new Spelljammer because I thought the new art was pretty good and the collector edition sets looked nice. I intentionally learned nothing about it before it came out so that I could be surprised. Well I was: it was trash. So know what we did? Kept playing in 2e Spelljammer. The only "harm" it did was that new players were interested in something I already loved. And the $100 I guess, but whatever.

>>96377118
Prism Pentad already happened. There's nothing left to fuck up. Buy a copy of the Original set, Tyr, Slave Tribes, Dune Trader, Veiled Alliance, and Elves of Athas. Fuck everything else ever published for Dark Sun. And then you have the perfect game and there is nothing anyone ever releasing additional material can ever do to hurt it.

>>96377555
They at least had the sense to retcon pretty much all of it in the 4E version.

>>96376500 (OP)
I just hope that it gets popular enough to give us a good mini market. the wizkids minis suck ass and even if they fuck up dark sun with 5e it might rekindle interest in the setting.

>>96378246
Perfectly reasonable hope. I love the wizkid Spelljammer ship minis. Although I still love my Ral Partha Borys mini.

>>96377047
people unironically don't know what is good for them.

>>96377555
>Prism Pentad already happened.
No fren, Prism Pentad was published.

Nothing like the events of Prism Pentad happened in my campaign, especially not naming the bad guy Borys.

>>96378342
I don't need your guidance, faggot
If I want to eat artery-clogging pizza then let me
>b-but le salad is healthier and le good for y-
Did. NOT. Ask.

lol, now that's funny.

>>96378338
I just really don't like wizkids, especially how most of their stuff is pre primed or worse, pre painted. I would love to see more dark sun minis, especially ones based off of brom's art. I've seen a few stl's but unfortunately I don't have a printer, and it's definitely not a substantial selection of minis.

>>96376500 (OP)
>sir, a second nothing burger has been turned into a thread

>Spelljammer
>Ravenloft
>Planescape
>Greyhawk
>Dark Sun
How many old TSR settings can WOTC destroy before it burns out and 6E is announced?

>>96376500 (OP)
Sad

>>96383235
All of them. :(

>>96376500 (OP)
That dagger looks like a cock from the catalog page

>>96377118
they completely omit any kind of survival related mechanics

>>96384327
Or forget to remove spells like Create Food and Water. I guess they could also make Arcane magic non-toxic but 4e's take on that was pretty neat, with the stuff that ruins the natural world being more powerful so a caster is always tempted to do it.

>>96376500 (OP)
Remember when you used to get sexy art like this?

>>96384571
4e mechanics? Almost guaranteed not to be in there! Or mangled to hell, like short rests - a five minute break, smoke 'em if you got 'em, turned into a solid hour.

>>96377047
The argument used by British opium salesmen in China.

Fuck yourself. We should have a bureau in the government that draws exclusively from chudswith more than six weeks of collective bans from /tv/, /tg/ and /v/ and give them the powers of polticial Commissars in those respective industries.

>Why is this Memphis Corporate Standard art here?
>Well we tho-
BLAM.

>Why does this Tiefling have Vitiligo?
>well in order to be incl-
BLAM

>Cool game, what's the single player campaign like?
>It's multiplayer only the Campaign is a day-1 DLC for 29 ninety ni-
BLAM

>Is that Pedro Pasqual?
>It's actually spelled Pasc-
BLAM

So what Sorcerer King would you follow?

>>96385387
This is a hilarious post because you are an impotent, mentally ill lunatic.

>>96385387
Why does it bother you that other people like what you don't? Are you insecure about your own preferences?

>>96385387
>>It's actually spelled Pasc-
>BLAM
Lel

>>96376500 (OP)
I dunno man.
Seems kinda gay to me.

>>96377047
>Let parasites enjoy people.
No.

>>96377393
>half-races are le bad
kinda racist ngl

>>96386160
>no argument except seething
>>96386172
>corporate damage control
Thanks for conceding.

>>96385387
based

>>96387387
>Thanks for con
>BLAM

>>96384725
Five minute breaks having any mechanical effect never made sense.
But if you liked them, the DMG gave a variant to just keep using them, alongside an eight-hour variant where a long rest is a full week of bed rest.

>>96377118
They give it D&D5.5E rules.

Wonder how much of the setting they'll butcher to please the zoom zooms.

At least we have
2E
Revised 2E
4E
Even the 4E version had more edge than anything 5E can conjure and covers 90% of playable 5E races.

>>96377118
Trump references and promoting sodomy

>>96384128
shut up about your insatiable cocklust

>>96376500 (OP)
I hope all the retarded gigafaggots who have been jerking it off finally realize that Dark Sun's entire point was to be anti-authoritarian, pro-green, and anti-slavery. Because it was. The Sorcerer-kings are THE bad guys. There aren't even any gods in Dark Sun, they fucked off.

>>96378342
Oh look, a Sorcerer-King in need of silencing.

>>96387383
>>96387387
Mentally ill chudcels who think they're relevant

>>96376500 (OP)
>>Dungeons & Dragons Releases New Unearthed Arcana Subclasses, Strongly Hinting at Dark Sun
that's it? People were saying the same when the thrikeen were brought back and nothing happened. Remember the UA for cyberpunk casters?

>>96378342
did you do cardio today?
are you covering all your vitamin needs?
Did you read a book that would had filtered you a few months ago? Are you lifting more? Is your pulse for painting minis improving? Can you paint good eyes? Is your house clean? Do you have a garden? Did you improve your relationship with your neighbours? Are you liked by your coworkers? Are you looking for a better job?
Everyone knows what's good for them, we just don't focus on that. When you decided to focus on policing if strangers play a game on their own you lost all moral ground.

>>96376500 (OP)
Wow this guy is really hot who is he?

>5.5e does a gay Dark Sun about muh heckin' communist revolutionaries fighting ecological collapse with the power of non-binary polycutes and zero mentions of slavery
>ACKS lets you run the original setting, has rules for the cost of slaves and become a Sorcerer-King
Let the slop-eaters eat their slop, I'll be over here with my Steak Tartare.

>>96376500 (OP)
Rip

>>96391514
>It's just a pile of ground beef that's been sitting out in the sun for months.

>>96385387
>reddit spacing

>>96389196
Mentally ill chudcel*

>>96391645
No such thing.

>>96388863
>Dark Sun's entire point was to be anti-authoritarian, pro-green, and anti-slavery
Yeah, but I don't trust modern D&D to write about these heavy topics without being utterly shit.

>>96377047
Has this actually been released anywhere?

>>96386160
>>This is actually hilarious post because
>BLAM

posted without comment

>>96393046
not yet
>>96393060
seek mental help

>>96386160
And you are a mentally ill tranny that the air would be cleaner without. Your point?

https://youtu.be/smyRYVzB_jQ?t=1785

>We're never going to do Dark Sun again, it's too problematic.
What exactly changed since 2023?

>>96393046
there's anounced UA classes
like the cyberpunk classes they made for 5e that resulted in that one cyberpunk setting that totally existed, or the thri keen in 5e that resulted in dark sun

>>96393711
There is literally nothing wrong with being trans.

>>96388309
3.5 in Dragon/Dungeon/Polyhedron.

>>96389196
I wonder, how many franchises are you poofters going to kill by driving away the "irrelevant chudcels"(ie, the actual paying audience) before reality begins intruding on your delusions?

>>96393749
>What exactly changed since 2023?

Brink was fired at some point in 2024.
The 2024 rules/5.5e was released and the audience for 5e wasn't all that interested.
Hasbro thought that they could channel players who bought BG3 into D&D by making sub-classes based on the game and it didn't work because BG3 players want to play BG3.
WotC managed to shed all the lead designers for 5e and are left with their sycohphants who don't know anything about genre fantasy or why people want to play D&D.

This UA is to try and tease the oldschool players with classic content to get them to come back to D&D after years of Hasbro funding puff pieces that also slammed oldschool players as horrible people who were bad for the hobby.
If an official Dark Sun for 5e is on the horizon, expect it to be a skinsuit for a vaguely desert-themed Forgotten Realms. Al-Qadim will never be adapted again.

>>96388863
I hope all the retarded gigafaggots who think screeching about chudcels on an Azerbaijani rare earth mineral mining discussion board eventually grasp that there's a difference between "being political" and "being woke", and that it's the latter - defined by its simpering, sneering, wilfully-ignorant, gratuitiously-petulant lecturing tone and petty, overblown, overbearing methods all of which combine to make any project tainted by it inevitably and irrevocably shite - that normal sane people object to.

I'm honestly surprised Dark Sun is getting any kind of official attention at all because the list of "problematic" things about it could fill enough essays to host a conference of "academics" to bitch mindlessly about it. Which doesn't matter for fictional stories which have political aspects because the key word in the sentence is "fiction", while subnormal wokeoid crustbusters can only see the word "political"(and only have the intellectual capacity - ie, very little - required to define that as "me right, you wrong, ooga booga where me brick").

>>96393749
>What exactly changed since 2023?
Brink doesn't work there anymore, neither do Jeremy Crawford, Mike Mearls or Chris Perkins.

>>96385387
This but unironically.

>>96394533
Yes, but did Dark Sun become any less problematic?

>>96394921
Once you remove all the slavery, rape, cannibalism, hopelessness, and racism.
All sorcerer-kings will be named a variation of flonald flump.

>>96394237
>normal sane people object to.
>normal sane people object to woke
>that's why the only places I can post about how much I hate it is 4chan, and even there I get pushback

>>96376500 (OP)
>I'm sorry, anons, I really am. Dark Sun will get a D&D5.5E supplement.
Oh no, not material that I can use if it's good and ignore if it's bad! This is so horrible! Thank you for the warning, anon!

>>96377047
>>96377538

>>96383235
>Birthright is enough of a complete "Who?" setting to be safe for one more day.
Blessed be the wisdom of the dragons.
>>96385387
You're a tit, but the Pascal one did make me laugh.

>>96393222
>>96393229
Even in the 90s, Rifts was eye-rolling edgelord-land. It's why it's better now than it was then. The horniness and edgelord trash is kinda quaint.

>>96395009
Actually you can post about thinking woke is shit everywhere, and outside of your little bubble of poofters on Bluesky ~80% of people will agree to one extent or another. I come here so I can slag off woke *and* say slurs. Fag.

>>96395259
No, posting about how much you hate woke is so fucking annoying that even on 4chan people will tell you to fuck off. Claiming everyone you don't like is on Bluesky doesn't change that. Fuck off, /pol/ tourist.

>>96395002
>Not 'The greatest villain is 'Borys, the Dragonald Trump'
Easiest joke I've made in months

>>96395272
Was it supposed to be funny?

>>96395344
Is progressive humour ever funny?

>>96389263
NTA, but I figured it would be fun to check your list. I encourage all Anons to do the same becaue this thread is turning cancerous. Prove you're gmi, or else get to it.
>did you do cardio today?
Yep
>are you covering all your vitamin needs?
Uh-huh.
>Did you read a book that would had filtered you a few months ago?
Not sure what that means, but I am reading a book yes
>Are you lifting more?
Not more, but I did get back to it after a brief illness
>Is your pulse for painting minis improving?
I got into mini painting just recently and found that I love it
>Can you paint good eyes?
Not yet
>Is your house clean?
Cleaned it yesterday
>Do you have a garden?
My tomatoes are having a pest problem
>Did you improve your relationship with your neighbours?
Said hi to some neighbor kids playing outside this morning, they said hi back
>Are you liked by your coworkers?
Most of them
>Are you looking for a better job?
Nah, my job's pretty cushy all things considered

>>96394223
>spoiler
Yup, was gonna point out to >>96383235 at least that one might be safe.

>>96395097
I'm honestly amazed they didn't revive Birthright to try and cash in on the Game of Thrones fad when it was still popular with normies.

>>96394204
how many copies of the same book are you buying?
Because companies don't care how much you love something they already sold, they need to sell to new people. Go buy a monthly copy of things you don't want to change or accept they'll change to keep feeding the creators (or the people who bought it from the people who hired the creators)

>>96394223
>Al-Qadim will never be adapted again.
they used al qadim items and locations as references in a module already, it's more here than dark sun

>>96394921
Zuckerberg, who was invited to Trump's inauguration with other tycoons, made sexbots for kids. Now that woke bad is a politically valid argument we'll have a wave of the sociopaths controlling corporations tasting the limits of what they can call woke. In this case, not sexual AI was too woke
>nternal guidelines approved by Meta’s legal, public policy and engineering teams — including its chief ethicist — explicitly allowed bots to describe children as attractive and engage them in flirtatious exchanges.
https://nypost.com/2025/08/20/business/senators-press-mark-zuckerberg-over-metas-ai-bots-sensual-chats-with-kids/

>>96392999
There's nothing heavy to it. There wasn't nuance in the originals because those are all objectively morally correct stances to have.

>>96395268
Lol, yeah sure buddy, 4chan is a bastion of pro-woke sentiment, it's totally not just you, your even gayer alternative personality, and your five tranny bunkerchan refugees seething endlessly at having to exist in a world that regards you as deranged and pathetic.

>>96397573
Project harder, samefag.

>>96396017
Feeding the creators, lol, the only reason the audience needs to perpetually expand is to keep Line Going Up, and Line Going Up is a demand of shareholders not the plebs making this shit. Every single IP out there could happily sustain itself just on recruiting new weirdos who happen to like that specific brand of weird with only an occasional new release to drum up some buzz. What they and you refuse to accept despite the evidence of your lying eyes is that over and over again Normification kills nerd stuff because you *can't* change things quick enough to keep up with the novelty-addled normie locust hordes and eventually they're all going to fuck off - over and over again these corporate dipshits trade long-term stability for short-term cash, over and over again wokeoids and business major retards defend them because all such morons care about is "deconstructing oppression"(ie, Stop Having Fun And Do What *I* Want WAAAAAH) and adhering to their shitty knockoff religion respectively, and over and over again the result is formerly successful IPs in the fucking toilet because when the normie swarms move on they find they've already driven away their core audience and all that remain are the most pathetic of brand-simps, who are thankfully a tiny tiny minority.

>>96397580
>samefag
Did I say NTA? If you refuse to take your meds maybe it's time to let Fruity Freddy take the wheel for a while, at least that faggot has a sense of humour.

>>96397639
most IPs can't sustain the creators
There is no indie game developer that survives on sales alone. They all have patreons and/or day jobs to cover their living expenses, no extra money to print without a pre-sale which means working for free hoping people will pay for it and making it as low as possible so you get some money. Even big corporations (inside the hobby) can't afford to print what they think is cool and trust their audience will buy enough to make it worth it.
I don't know where you got this idea that every single IP could happily sustain itself with whatever audience it first gets. It does sound absolutely retarded.

>>96397646
Again, everyone finds you tedious and unpleasant, everywhere you go, including 4chan. Complaining about woke is a very bad replacement for a personality.

>>96388309
>Even the 4E version had more edge
holy shit

>>96377047
> "Let people enjoy things"
> Wizards proceeds to remove all the good stuff, the flavor, conflic, the things that make it Darksun (because slavery bad, half races bad, cruelty bad, intolerance bad, everything bad). Now its just generic random vanilla desert setting with no personality or interest.
> No one likes it.
> "let people enjoy things" retards and Wizards: looks like the haters won or people didnt really care about Darksun. Anyway, this will be the canon now, deal with it. Hur hur.

I would have preferred Darksun to stay dead than for them to ruin it like they are going to.

>>96398024
New Spelljammer came out. I got some new art, some decent minis of the ships and more people interested, and lost absolutely nothing. All of my 2e books are exactly where they'd always been.

You sour grapes crybabies gotta get over yourselves.

>>96397756
It's pretty close to the Pre-Revision Dark Sun setting, biggest difference is non-evil characters can use Arcane Casting with an option to pump the power up at the cost of doing harm to the environment. Which the grogs at my table love because it means you can always tempt a Good player to do something undeniably Evil.

>>96398024
>> "let people enjoy things" retards and Wizards: looks like the haters won or people didnt really care about Darksun. Anyway, this will be the canon now, deal with it. Hur hur.
This didn't happen with Spelljammer or Dragonlance. Don't make up shit to get yourself riled up, stop being hysterical

>>96398129
Dragonlance always sucked. You could replace every character in it with turd-monsters and it wouldn't be any worse than it started as. Except Laurana, my one true waifu.

>>96398185
kek, kinda true. But it was a bad module in the exact same way spelljammer was: a pointcrawl with an abstract ticking clock that players can't change at all, not even for worse, that takes you through what they think is the important parts of the setting with no time to see why they'd be cool nor descriptions for new DMs to make them cool in any way. Literally the exact same issue in both. I didn't follow the creative process, I don't think I even read who wrote them, but it's kinda weird how 2 big revivals had the same issues one after the other. I didn't have the stomach to check Sigil, WotC started their editions by directly shitting on it, I believe it was similar.

>>96398024
you can buy the old ones online as pdfs
what's the problem?

>>96393749
>What exactly changed since 2023?
Woke was defeated and routed to the hills, cool stuff can exist in public again

>>96398337
>Compares Dragonlance to Spelljammer
You are dead to me.

>>96398443
Since woke was defeated, can you get all the /pol/ tourists to stfu about it?

>>96398042
As you said your 2e books and boxed sets are exactly where they've always been. Those 3 books added nothing substantial and can't really even function as a replacement for your 36 year old TSR products. A well made Spelljammer product should have made owning the 2e stuff nice but unnecessary for enjoying the setting.

>>96399057
And? You're still confusing "not getting what you want" with "losing something."

>>96398129
It happens to ravenloft, greyhawk, planescape, forgotten realms. stfu.

>>96398337
>it's kinda weird how 2 big revivals had the same issues one after the other
Were they smaller than the colossal issues with 5e Ravenloft?

>>96399098
You are in denial that the product sold was not what it was marketed as. You already had the full original product. Many of those interested in the 5e version of Spelljammer were hoping for something that compared well to the 2e product what they got was inferior, full of holes and made them feel like they should have bought the old pdfs from DrivethruRPG rather than buy the new books. They lost money by spending more on a lesser product.

>>96399185
Simply don't buy 5e products, whether or not they are labeled with 2e campaign settings, as they are bad, much like the system as a whole.

>>96395986
If Marvel is anything to go by, monarchy must be too "problematic" right.
Unless maybe all royal blood players are forced to play women, I guess.

>>96399185
>You are in denial that the product sold was not what it was marketed as.
Nope.

You didn't get what you wanted. No one took anything from you.

>>96399210
They took his money.

The sorcerer kings did nothing wrong btw.

>>96401523
A fool and his money are soon parted. If it hadn't been WotC, it would have been someone else.

>>96395070
Mispackaged item?
Toy maker didn't care about the artwork?
RLM taking parody to the next level?

>>96394223
>The 2024 rules/5.5e was released and the audience for 5e wasn't all that interested.
There are genuine improvements but it's still saddled with umpteen things for casters and the rest is even more pared down
They just didn't know where the fuck they were going with it

>>96393749
>What exactly changed since 2023?

>>96401523
No, he gave them his money. There's a difference. Purchase books, give money, get books.

>>96402318
Where's the war with Iran that you promised, sign tapper?

>>96402644
The usa already bombed them, and its about to enter in south america so, in other stuff, destroy Drone industry made be iran in Venezuela so they can suck Israel dick deeper.

>>96385387
King shit

>>96389263
>cardio
5k run every other day
>vitamins
Have a giant stack, yeah
>book
I exclusively read pulp fantasy and scifi and I refuse to change.
>lifting
1.5 hours every other day. I can bench 1.5x my body weight
>pulse for painting
don't know what that means
>good eyes
sure, I guess
>clean house
yeah
>garden
It's shared with my neighbors, I don't spend time on it.
>neighbours
I started running my neighbors dog recently because she hurt her leg
>coworkers
yeah
>better job
No, I like my job and it pays well. I am working on various sidegigs like earning more on commisioned artwork

Based, I win I guess.

>>96395009
Normal sane people not liking woke has decided like 8 presidential elections in the past couple of years anon.

>>96388863
https://www.wargamer.com/dnd/dark-sun-problematic
>the potentially "problematic" aspects of the setting Brink refers to are numerous. Sensitive topics like genocide are ingrained in the setting, and slavery is commonplace. Several DnD races from the setting also potentially perpetuate harmful stereotypes. According to the Dark Sun wiki, Dark Sun Halflings live in forest tribes and are known for cannibalism, and the Muls are a race of slaves noted for being particularly violent.

You sure chuds are the ones who are misunderstanding the setting anon?

>>96395009
Woke is so over than even hitlers is starting to not be seen as so bad after the recent jew shenaningans.

>>96402820
>>96402872
Right, you guys live in an X bubble of alternate universe stuff, I know. I hope you one day realize that, actually, Hitler is bad and this is a widely-held opinion by normal people, not the deranged lunatics you hang out with.

>>96386160
>>96386172
You can tell the tourists by the fact that they are seriously responding to someone BLAM posting.

>>96388819
How can I shut up if its inable to be satiated?

>>96395435
Dried crushed (i use a blender) egg shells will really screw up a beetles day. Diatomaceous earth will keep things away.

>>96376500 (OP)
RIP.

>>96377393
I've seen the new Unearthed Arcana psion. It's a straight up regular Vancian spellcaster with all of the unique charm stripped out.

>>96402785
>Based, I win I guess.
all time not spent worrying about what Hasbro does is won time.

>>96376500 (OP)
a G rated Dark Sun.... I am sickened yet curious.
ah well, should be able to get some miniatures out of this if nothing else.

>>96408037
I look forward to being informed that the Sorcerer-Kings are heckin' tyrants, but also respect the pronouns of their enemies.

>>96408037
>>96408804
Imagine the blue-skinned, gay mexican smiling tiefling minis for Dark Sun (TM).

>>96403109
I've never had a twitter account or spent any time on social media in general, I'm just going by the general vibe among my friends and coworkers.

>>96377047
OK, I enjoy raping you. Please bend over.