Thread 96406380

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>Thread Question:
What are some fun or fluffy lists you'd consider with 3.0's listbuilding system?

Made up some Luna Wolves livery based on what we know plus later SoH livery.

>>96406380 (OP)
Is this loss?

>>96406380 (OP)
Alright boys I just got news I got promoted dubs decides what knight I buy

what are (your) favorite knight house / freeblade knight color schemes?

>>96406451
big lancer

>>96406451
acheron is cool.

What are you all working on anons? Just finished with the basecoat on this squad sargent.

>>96406380 (OP)
I'm still trying to wrap my head around Mechanicum listbuilding. Every HQ can take paragon blades and thunder hammers but there aren't any good melee units to stick them in, maybe Domitars or Myrmidons? But then the detachment system encourages to take like 6 magos/priests/arcuitors in every list, and at some point you're just wondering where to put them all, and how to outfit them. Do you just take naked pistol/chainsword priests and attack them to your backfield castellax to cast guide? Why do we have so many "reactions don't cost a point" abilities when most of our army can't react?

>>96406451
Atrapos is the only correct answer

>>96406473
Finished these mk4 command lads, ready for painting.
The banner was a bit of a pain to clean up though, and that God awful sword is the thinnest fucker possible.

>>96406451
Porphyrion

>>96406473
Hey there, not-me anon. I finished these today (based and stuff now but I haven't got anything to make good light at midnight).

>>96406475
scyllax are probably the best melee unit (they are almost WS5 terminators with axes) and you can tailor their techno arcana to whatever
alternative is thralls and just winning combat through static combat res
also they want you to take large units of robots, babysitting them with cortex controllers and then buffing them with cybertheurgies

Asked this at the end of last thread, but how do yoy all run your contemptors? My dual kheres loadout does not seem like a great option in 3.0

>>96406543
Incredibly envious of your speed anon, since our last talk I've only now found the time to get back to painting.

I'm gonna have to catch up by tomorrow it seems.

>>96406451
Asterius

>>96406451
Acheron.

>>96406451
Cenobium

>>96406451
Anything other than a castigator and you're a fagget

>>96406475
>how do I play undead

maybe there's an article in WD that can explain this to you, perhaps from 1993

>>96406588
Winner winner chicken dinner

>>96406544
So Krios/Secutors for AP3, Scyllax for melee AP3, thralls for tarpits and... Thanatars for Anti-Tank? Krios Venators?
>>96406599
I hadn't really thought of it that way before

>>96406475
>the detachment system encourages to take half a dozen HQ TAX
Fucking YUCK. I don't know where to put two space marine guys, let alone 6 mechanicum

>>96406628
>anti tank
Ally Solar Auxilia to spam demolishers. Admech struggle with AV14 this edition for some reason.

>>96406628
vulturax for anti-tank too
the arc blaster will practically guarantee a status and then you have s10 missiles to strip off hull points or cause more statuses (this can be done twice due to firestorm and implacable advance)
multimelta thallax are also good for killing deathstars due to their cost

>>96406659
mech's best way to kill AV14 is with moirax equipped with claws for some reason
they get s12 d3 attacks

>>96406563
I paint quite fast, but I also had 2 days without work, partner and kids so I just smashed it out. I even started working on my IW Vet Breachers, and finished weathering a Rhino too. And I built the other 10 men.

Maybe I need to get a life

>>96406588
The gods of dubs have answered, thy will be done. And you know what, looking at their rules an acheron looks pretty sick to pair with my word bearers - a giant flamer to pair with fear spam and the chainfist fucks Av14 vehicles which is something I'm desperately lacking in an all infantry force

>>96406646
Well, regular magos are more like sergeants, not really HQs. It's stil weird how you have your main detachment be the board of directors and then each aux is a specialized unit, but isn't that how IRL armies work too?

>>96406473
T3 Solar chads rise up!
I am having to go back and reconvert my SA companions from spears into swords and fists + make up some sarg models for regular sqauds and an artillery command.

>>96406543
These are looking so good with the wash/oil. well done anon

>>96406478
Atrapos is try-hard lame

>>96406451
Atrapos or death

Why is everyone playing solar aux? That's MY army. You're not allowed to play MY army.

>>96406451
Centura

>>96406741
Good lord anon. Those models are fantastic but between us there are three Aux anons who gave their dudes red undersuits. What a small world lol.

Since I'm pretty much forced to take some Arquitors, are they all viable? Thinking I might take 2 of the missile ones and hide them behind vindicators

>>96406755
Aux aren't a legion senpai. They're a hivemind.

>>96406755
because WAACfags see Dracosans and get a boner

>>96406807
Dracosans are only OP because for some god forsaken reason you can give them all demolisher cannons which are really strong now.

If you leave them with the Gravis Lascannon they're more or less just two Rhinos glued together.

>>96406825
>This unit is only OP because of the options it can take

>>96406451
Castellan :^)

>>96406827
>if you don't take those options they're not broken.
Thats my point yeah, if someone's spamming demolisher Dracos they're a waacfag. If they're spamming lascannon dracos they're just using the only plastic transport in the army thats not a flying pig.

>>96406825
Unlike 1.0, giving them that demolisher cannnon doesn't take away from the troop capacity. Hooray! Now you too can have a super rhino vindicator for only 175 points each!

>>96406825
demolisher cannons were really good anti terminator last edition and y'all slept on em when even with the scatter roll it was still 1/3 to kill any cata outright

>>96406843
Is it waacfaggotry to take 3 demolisher dracosans and only two other tanks, with no superheavies? Is that so bad?

>>96406852
If you're using Demolisher Dracos to transport squads of 20 you're playing it wrong.

I don't care what GW thinks because they clearly weren't thinking at all. As far as I'm concerned the Demolisher Draco can only fit 10.

>>96406861
But if I give them twin lascannons, then my list will be severely lacking when it comes to anti-tank and anti-meq, with only 120 points spare to try and fill that void.

>>96406867
Correction: 105 points to spare to fill the void. I'll only have 9 charonite ogryns and 2 full axe storm sections dedicated to killing MEQs and TEQs. Everything else is either anti-infantry or anti-tank.

>>96406380 (OP)
>TQ

I'm working on a list designed to be Morturg's band of survivors from his Black Book testimony, and I'm having a fun time trying to make a list that complies more or less exactly with what he's stated to have in the books. Seven World Eaters, mostly axemen, a Librarian, nineteen death guard, two land raiders, a "grav-attack" so some kind of Javelin or Land Speeder and then Thallax/Magos Reductor. The rest of my list is going to be more or less normal mech, just because I do need *something* that can hurt a Land Raider.

Current plan for the infantry is that the WE contingent is six Praetorians or Heavy Breachers + Champ in a Land Raider and the Death Guard bring either multimelta HSS or Seekers for the libby to shroud.

>>96406646

They're a lot less tax-y in Mechanicum. A well-geared priest or magos is going to be casting cybertheurgy for +1WS/BS or S/T on a unit, shooting a melta or gravgun, fighting competently in melee and handing out high LD and Line 1-2 to their squad, so you have an Archmagos for your Apex det, 1-2 regular Magi for detachments and then 1-3 50-80pt Tech-Priests who are basically big, fancy sarges for your robots. They're expensive, but even non-fighty arcana Archmagi are going to bend most Praetors over just with sheer stats, they are worth it.

>>96406451
a prostitute

>>96406867
and you don't see the issue with this single weapon fulfilling all the anti-tank and anti-meq needs of your army?

>>96406892
No, I also have a vanquisher, four lascannon rapiers, and 3 melta aethons :)

I just want to be sure that tanks won't fuck me up, you know?

>>96406892
3 of this single weapon, 3 demolishers is all he needs for anti tank lol.

>>96406892
>anti-meq needs
I don't care who the government sends, small blasts are not good anti infantry

>>96406861
Why should demolisher draco only be able to fit ten? I get that it was like that in 1.0, twin Lascannons take up enough internal space to fit a full turret for a leman russ, presumably including the space that would be reserved for the loading mechanism and housing. The same space can be used to accommodate a demolisher cannon on a russ. So if twin cannons and a demolisher cannon take up the same amount of internal space on a Russ, why should the demolisher cannon suddenly swallow up 10 men's worth of space in a Dracosan?

>>96406843
175 points (195 with flare shield) for a single BS3 demolisher cannon is not scary at all. Neither the weapons nor the defenses are anything special.
Space marines get BS4 demolisher cannons for 140 instead of 175 and they're not close to OP.
If you add flare shield it's slightly tankier but at 195 instead of 140 it's not really. Particularly if the enemy isn't entirely reliant on armourbane since it's just 13/13/10 and they don't even need a chainfist to tear it open if it tries to act as a transport.
Demolisher cannons aren't even good anti-tank. It's only 1 shot with dmg3, so it has a 0% chance of even popping a 60 point rhino if it moves at all, for 195 points, pathetic.

And if you spend 600 points to take 3 dracosans, it's Significantly less shooting output than one 365 point Kratos tank while also being over 3x easier to kill.

>>96406914
because a demolisher cannon also needs space to store the ammo. The Russ was designed with a battlecannon in mind and thus comes stock with designated spaces to stow ammo. The Dracosan doesn't

>>96406897
Drop the vanquisher and bring another aethon. Give them all hunter killer missiles and lascannons. Then strap hunter killers on your Lascannon Dracosans.

Turn 1 you dump 14 hunter killers and 10 lascannons, thats enough to 1 turn a Kratos.

>but the Melta does more damage.
At 18", the Aethon is too slow to use the melta lance.

>>96406753
Atrapos is lame shit

>>96406921
Yet the twin lascannon on a russ will use the same space reserved for ammo stowage with extra power stores/batteries for the twin lascannon. It only makes sense that the equivalent amount of space would be used for the twin lascannon on the dracosan...which would be the same amount of space for a demolisher cannon.

>>96406924
You can shoot both hunter killer missiles strapped to a dracosan at the same time?

>>96406940
Don't think so. Lascannons are man-portable, the battery packs likely fit inside the turret. They don't take up extra space in sponsons after all. For all we know, the ammo space in lascannon russes.just sits empty, but isn't big enough to fit people into. Think a waist-high compartment, or maybe some sort of rack. Or perhaps, that space sits empty, and lascannon russes have a transport capacity of 2, but it's not depicted in the rules because it's useless

>>96406948
I don't think a demolisher cannon+ammo stowage takes up the equivalent amount of space of a twin lascannon+power storage for those twin lascannons+space for ten men

Rolled 3, 4 = 7 (2d6)

rolling a cool check to manifest a SoS reveal at NOVA later

>>96406916
Missing a big tank with a small blast is harder than you would think.

You have a 50% chance to not scatter at all. If you do scatter when shooting at a kratos then scattering a 1.5" blast radius weapon 1 or 2" is still gonna hit the kratos in any direction.

So assuming you're only ever going to roll the worst possible angle a BS3 small blast is about as good at hitting tanks as a BS4 regular weapon.

In a fight of 3 Dracos with demolishers and double HKs VS 1 Kratos the Dracos will kill the Kratos but lose between 1 or 2 Dracos depending on who goes first.

Naturally evaluated purely as tanks the Kratos is better. Except the Dracosan also caries 20 dudes at the same time.

3 dracosans don't just kill a Kratos, they do it while dropping 60 dudes in the midboard at the same time. That kind of roll compression is quite strong. Especially since the Kratos is literally the most point efficient tank in the entire game. The Draco is better than many marine battletanks while also carrying 20 dudes into combat.

>>96406953
You're underestimating just how compact lascannons are

>>96406961
You are overestimating how big a demolisher cannon is. It's not gonna take up HALF THE FUCKING TRANSPORT COMPARTMENT to store the ammo.

>>96406966
Demolisher cannons are big, and so are the shells. Plus you need at least 1-2 people to act as loaders, and space for them to move around

>>96406979
>it takes up the same amount of fucking space as the twin lascannons on every other tank

>>96406943
You fire 2 HKs per Aethon per turn for 2 turns. Thats 16 HKs out of 4 aethons over 2 turns. Thats like, 9 HP onto AV14 over 2 turns from just the Hunter Killers. Not even considering the lascannons.

Also aethons are the only war machine you can still takes in squads of 1 to 3 though personally I think 2 sentinel squads are the best.

The Aethons pretty good now ngl.

>>96406924
actually when your 360 point unit of sentinels shoots at the kratos, it'd smokescreen (they don't have searchlights) and then their limited missiles are half used up which would render them nearly harmless and in total missiles+lascannon deal 3 hull points of damage out of his 10 points.

Dracosans adding another 1 hull point total from lascannons and their never-can-shoot-again 6 hunters add 3 more. For 450 points (more if they want to add any survivability with flare shields)

So a grand total of 7 hull points out of its 10 if you were able to see it with 3 dracosans + 4 sentinels costing 810+ points. Maybe if you add 1100+ points you can take out a single kratos and never have any antitank the rest of the game as your entire strategy was missiles that cannot be refilled.

And he can pay ~130 to easily heal 3-4 hull points each turn when he simply deploys where your entire army can't get shots.

And if you empty your entire army to kill a single kratos (statistically not even likely), that's zero shooting onto any of his transports winning every cap and your army drops to dmg1 shitty BS3 lascannons for the rest of the game that lose to the other 2635 untouched points of the rest of his army.

>>96406984
Well now I want Land Raiders with DEMOLISHER SPONSONS lmao

>>96406914
Because lascannons are compact, man portable weapons with (relatively) small power cells to charge them.

While demolisher cannons are absurdly large weapons that cn only be fit on a tank and would take up large amounts of internal room for the breech, space for what is likely to be multiple people to operate the gun, plus A LOT of space to fit the fuck huge shells, all of which is presumably separated from whatever troop transport compartment is unless you all want them to instantly go deaf when the thing starts firing.

>>96406451
Also Atrapos. It's my dream model, let me live vicariously through you

>>96406979
I think it's funny that a vindicator has an entire crane system to load demolisher shells but a dracosan can just also stuff 20 dudes inside

>>96406984
according to what? What other vehicles that are TRANSPORTS can take/swap demolisher cannons? You're just basing this on the bit that sticks out on the outside.

>>96406966
Anon all you need for a lascannon is a Transformer to draw power from the tanks engine.

Demolisher Shells are giant rocket assisted bunker busters, a single demolisher shell probably takes up more space than all the bells and whistles required to make two.lascannons work. Especially since the demolisher isn't just the barrel. There's a shitload of mechanisms behind the barrel and you're also gonna need at least one extra crew member to reload the demolisher that would not be necessary on a Twin lascannon.

Its a way more involved process.

>>96407005
solar auxilia are a brand new invention, so GW gave them the memo that warhammer now lasts only 4 turns so they only need 1 shell in the barrel and 3 shells stored in the tank body. That'd leave plenty of room for 20 scrawny dudes.

>>96406380 (OP)

I'm building an AL list with nothing but support Command choices and oops All Infiltrating.

I'm relatively happy with how this came out as a test of the general scheme.

>>96406987
They were good in 2.0 now they are just straight up legit. Price point, threat range, flexibility and all are in a smashingly good place.

I want Vindicators
I want half-load Vindicators that gain Fast at the expense of their Demolisher being Limited (2)
I want Siege Shield Vindicators that gains AV14 on the front at the expense of losing 2" of speed

>>96407034
Turquoise is the perfect AL colour. It lies about being green, it lies about being blue.

The Dracosan is built like a femboys ass; you can cram anything with enough effort and willpower.

>>96406987
Great little walkers.
180 are 3 points and you can just keep the base rockets and multi laser for easy access to stun and surpass

>>96406993
8 missiles, 4 hits, 1.3 penetrating hits, 5++ shrouded means ~0.9 pens a turn on average

4 lascannons, 1 hits, .8 pens, 5++ means ~.55 pens a turn on average

Take 2 squads of 2 aethons as logistical advantages from your line or Veletaris prime slots. Mag dump AV14 and deal 8 wounds over 2 turns.

Eh, thats enough to almost kill a Kratos for almost as much as a Kratos which I consider good enough against anything weaker than a kratos. Like every other armour choice in the legiones astartes army list.

>>96407070
not sure why you're replying to the actual math with your incorrect wrong numbers. It's 3 average wounds not 4. Over 2 turns the aethon squad no longer has any missiles left and the tank is still at 4/10 hull points and since you used only armourbane weapons, the Kratos has been shooting 100% unaffected by any status each turn. Then you're dealing 0.5 wounds per turn with your lascannons and have no actual power to the 4 sentinels at all. An aethon squad doesn't even kill one kratos if it shoots it for 4 turns of the game and the kratos never shoots them. That's absolutely pathetic. In reality often kratos turn 1 pops a few of the sentinels, sentinel scratch it, kratos has murdered every single sentinel over next turn or two and survived.

>>96406996
MORE FIREPOWER

>>96407071
It’s not my fault that the non-Euclidean nature of a femboy’s ass fits GWs piss-poor understanding of weapon shells and vehicle volume.

>>96407125
God I love guard superheavies with quad sponsons, makes them feel like land battleships.

>>96407146
they need to be way bigger

>>96407125
Sexy af

>>96407098
Anon. You know that the hunter killer missile battery is D3 right anon?

You average 2 hunter killer wounds and 1 lascannon wound through smoke over 2 rounds. thats 8 damage total assuming the tonka tank never shoots back, which is a fairly big assumption i suppose but I'm not too torn up if it does decide to shoot my aethons, they'll just return fire anyway.

Really though theres not really a more efficient way of killing a Kratos in the auxilia armylist outside of spamming Demolisher dracosans which I'd rather not do.

>>96407098
And a picture.

Had an awkward night with my gf that led to her deciding not to come over tonight so I'm gonna paint instead.
I'll let you guys decide - do I work on my Vindicator or do I work on my Support Squads?

>>96407194
Vindicator.

>>96407194
Work on your relationship

>>96407204
Vindicator it is.
>>96407225
It was just an awkward kiss, nothing too pressing.

>>96407194
Vindicator. If you gf really had an issue she'd bring it up with you directly.

>>96407125
Every time I see anything painted yellow I feel like a failure with everything Ive ever painted yellow.

>>96407047
>>96407071
>>96407139

>>96407125
that one dude in the front with the single lascannon must be pretty fukken optimistic.

Man. Am I reading this wrong or can I not take bayonets on a shotgun? I really wanna have breachers with shotguns and chain bayonets, but it doesnt seem like I can.

>>96407324
Sadly you cannot, GW lives in mortal terror of the chain shotty.

>>96407335
Damn. Honestly, Id like the SoH legion trait a little more if more weapons had the "Assault" tag. But no, its basically just pistols.

>>96407324
You realize that bayonets are more or less cosmetic this edition right?
>>96407357
You'll soon come to realize that the thought process for designing the SoH kit was "how does this help justaerin?" and nothing past that. Take a look at their prime advantage

>>96407357
The SoH trait was clearly made for terminators more than anything else, if it can get Inexorable advance it can volley fire with anything that isnt heavy or ordinance.

>>96407365
Bayonets are a waste at the moment, but that wont always be the case. Plus I think the chain bayonet shotty is just fun.

>>96407365
>>96407368
Looking over their stuff, that was the impression I got. I know that the whole "speartip" thing was like their legions identity, but Id rather see them get something assault-oriented that helps the whole legion as opposed to just one kind of unit. Either way, Im playing my boys because I like *them*, not the rules, so it is what it is.

>>96407047
Ur a gay lord faggot with turbo aids and you will wear diapers for the rest of your life

>>96407301
why do I want to fuck it

>>96407633
Iron Within, Iron Deeper Within, brother.

>>96407365
Bayonets are a waste but chain bayonets can lead to hilarious consequences when the stars align.

>>96407663
Sure, sometimes you oneshot a terminator if the stars align. Not worth the points cost desu

>>96407674
Doing a little trolling is always worth the cost if trolling is your goal.

Shred being conditional +1D is stupid and makes chain weapons really awkward. Should have been lethal hits.

>>96407034
Hydra dominatus, for The _______r

>>96407301
Is this that same guy who made the Nurgle butthole tanks? or is this some other sick fuck? (unsurprising)
Question: To any Black Book owners out there-do they mention general company strength for the Legions? Specifically numbers, motor pool/ancillaries, and even further the Blood Angels?? Talking full compliments. Is it “varies widely” or even going by the old assumption that a full 40k chapter (1000) is equal to one 30k company?

Just a fluff question. Though it might have a baring on my pocket and time….

>>96407798
It varies widely even within the newest lore. Legions range from 100k marines to a million marines each, depending on who is writing them. I think current lore supports the million marine legions more

>>96407798
Ignore autistic lore in the novels/new books.

The first blackbook is very clear, see pic related.The way everything else is organised makes sense if its true (i.e. a centurion, a company commander is in charge of 100 dudes, hence the name, unlike nulore where a company is 5 trillion marines).

Of course the blackbook also is clear that legions began to vary away from these original numbers, but it says this tended to be at the chapter level. i.e. some legion's chapters (or chapter equivilents) could be a lot more than 1000, but generally a company is still 100 dudes.

>>96407897
pic 2/2
Note this is 'notional organisation' of the LATE great crusade era, not the start.

Reminder that the reason why GW isn't saying anything about the forges of Saturn is because that'd invite people to realize that there's only 5 days left in August and militia rules aren't out yet

>>96407935
I can't wait to see how shitty the daemon rules are next month tm

>>96407948
>next month
I think you mean Sept 74th sir

>>96407948
>next month
There's a point where optimism becomes self-harm.

>>96407948
Bro it's just going to the bound rainstorm daemon list again, and then GW will apologize and say they realize that they "missed the mark" with the initial release and say they'll make it right...in March 2026, with the release of the daemon tactical journal

>>96407903
Ahhhh. This info and pics are perfect. Thank you anon.

I’m so fucked aha

I shall show my Crimson Paladin conversion from 40k Deathwing Knights in penance. They have been defeating me for 2 months now. Greenstuff is my nemesis, I only just learned about the GS/MP combo so you can actually sand it down

>>96407967
>Bro it's just going to the bound rainstorm daemon list again
Bound Daemons were unironically better than Unbound Daemons
Bound let you
>make your warlord, no matter the faction, a spoopy psyker
>grab an Allied AND LoW Detachment if you wanted too
>didn't lock you out of other detachments
Unbound let you
>take some daemon brutes for your esoterist
>lost possessed
>could neither ally or be allied to anyone

>>96407967
>in March 2026, with the release of the daemon tactical journal
Bet that drops before Talons does.

>>96406956
Fingers crossed, but I doubt we'll see anything until after Aux and Mech 2nd waves, as well as a shit-tonne of new marine releases.
Even then, rumours only mention bananas getting new releases. No one has even hinted Sisters are getting anything.

Are there any Marines Command units that come with Expendable by default?

Post Games Anons.

Here is me getting up in some SOH grill on the weeked. The Golden Keshig are fkn fast as fk boi.

So the order I made for the accidentally underpriced HH boxes shipped on Monday. I'm very curious to see how the store solved this: I genuinely have no idea what's in the box.

>>96408213
I love finding an accidentally underpriced item. I got my Oathmark core rulebook for the lower price of an expansion not too long back. It's always so nice, like stealing but legal.

>>96408222
Hell yeah.
I know I'm not the only one who saw this, makes me wonder 1. why the price is still incorrect and 2. if someone got fired for this blunder.

(49 SEK is like five dollars btw)

>>96408236
>49 SEK is like five dollars btw

>>96408213
It depends on the country of course, but many countries have laws so companies aren't obligated to fulfill orders where there's been a genuine mispricing like this.

How many you order tho?

>>96408102
Custodes are getting at least one kit, they can easily add in some sisters with that release

>>96408286
They would have cancelled it before shipping if that was the case unless the entire thing is automated

>>96408236
>Games Workshop Mail Order
Tangent: I'm curious how the people at GW are discussing the future of the US market right now. The removal of the de minimis exemption means that all the mail order stuff will have $80 minimum added on top of the item price tag. For inventory freighted in to fill store shelves that won't matter, but MTO kits and online-only products will be affected, and the US anons buying shit from China will suddenly be paying $80 more than they used to.

>>96408310
>I'm curious how the people at GW are discussing
They'll jack up the prices.

>>96408310
>the colonies shall bear the cost

>>96407903
>>96407897

Concept: All Loyalist Alpha Legion are from 00 Chapter, which has a variable number of Battalions, as a reference to the old Mobius Configuration warlord trait.
...I mean it's that or Sonic the Hedgehog.

>>96408286
Just two boxes. I'm having a low-spend month, so I just thought I'd toss my proverbial hat in the ring just to see what happened. No email with a "So sorry, we're going to have to cancel this order because the price is wrong" or anything, and the store is run by like four guys so they don't ship out items automatically. Everything is hand-picked and hand-checked.
>>96408242
I basedjaked when I saw it, and bought them immediately.
Weird thing is that certain items that were incorrectly priced have since been adjusted, but not all of them... I'd call this a fluke, but it wouldn't surprise me if they just wanted to shift a bunch of excess stock and made up an excuse for it. I know that the big Saturnine box, while appropriately priced, is selling really slowly over here. Since release, it looks like a total of ten boxes have been sold.

In the entire country.

Are any of the assassins worth using a Prime Benefit on?

>>96408451
Prime benefits are so gay and cringe, its such a soulless and lazy mechanic, to the point that quite literally in certain detatchments, you actually cannot do anything with a prime bonus, while also leaving room for it to endlessly powercreep detatchments and create unexpected cheese.

>>96408310
The US is over half of their market, so they need to do backflips to make it work out. It might be beneficial for them to try and cheat by getting an exemption for making something in the US by setting up some resin/metal casting for specialist games shit.

Is Pardo cool again?

Rules query gang,

Vanguard unit charges a unit with one model "controlling" an objective.

Their volley fire kills the only model within 3" of the objective.

they charge in and wipe the unit.

Do they score vanguard or not?

>>96408557
They score vanguard the moment that one model controlling the objective is removed as a casualty as a result of volley fire.

>>96408550
No, never.

>>96408550
he never was.

>>96408550
Who?

>>96408292
but they wont

why make 1 custodes unit and 1 sisters unit, unknowing if the sisters will sell, when you could make 2 custodes units and guarantee the sale because custodesfags are paypigs and redditors?

>>96407030
The dracosan came out 11 years ago along with the SA. I doubt most people would consider them new.

>>96408557
You score Vanguard by model, not by unit.
>>96408563

>>96408747
Retard-kun please.

>>96408747
Are you fucking stupid, bro?
Like seriously.

>>96406380 (OP)
Based and also fuck the gross horse spamming faggot.
Maybe work on your shit painting?

>>96408862
do you prefer rats perchance?

>demolisher dracosans carrying 20 axe velataris

Is it waac?

>>96408854
>>96408857
SoS have a single plastic kit, a character, a transport and some bolt pistols (all resin)
meanwhile custodes have an entire plastic range AND an entire resin range

there is more desire to see, and profit in, making plastic versions of those resin custodes units (because 40k players are fags who apparently have an allergic reaction to resin unless the unit is OP then they work fine with it) than there is to make a new SoS unit, doubly so if that SoS unit is 30k only

I like SoS, i'm sure many anons like SoS too and would like to see a model range
but because of the popularity of custodes, SoS getting an update first just wont happen

>>96408870
I prefer that tr/a/nime faggots embrace the noose; I heard it will transport you into your gay fantasy worlds were your modern knowledge will make you the chosen one!!

>>96408876
Why are you trying to hard to fit in?

>>96408875
I hope you get beaten to death with hammers

>>96408872
We're painting Kratos' for a reason Anon.

>>96408884
>t. custodesfag mad he's been called out

>>96408872
Honestly no, Demolisher Dracos carrying Lasrifle Tericos are way stronger because lasrifles are half the price, roughly as durable against shooting and have line instead of vanguard.

>>96408885
What does that mean?

Assuming the cost is no issue, is a full Auxilia army (with perhaps some minor tank support) of ten men squads all mounted up in Arvus Lighters possible and viable?

>>96408888
I play DG, you double-nazi

>>96408896
Forgot my pic.

>>96408292
Several kits, actually. GW had literally said as much. What, and how much exactly, is unknown.
This is further supported with what little rumours there are have said.
Yet everyone is oddly silent on the sisters. This suggests they aren't actually getting anything.

>>96408896
It's certainly possible. And such a fucking cool idea I wouldn't even care about how viable it is.
Would be a crime not to blast ride of the valkyries each time the arvus arrive from reserves.

>>96408872
It's not particularly OP imo, but it is lorebreaking. Demolisher dracosans should have 10 transport capacity. The only reason they don't is because of the rules writers being retarded, despite it reducing transport capacity to 10 for both prior editions

>>96408903
it's a damn shame because 2nd gave us a taste of what a SoS army looks like

they would rather introduce a half assed lore retcon that pisses everyone off than actually give a bit of attention to the sisters, that's how GW treats them

>All Volkite Kratos
>Two Laser Destroyer Vindicators

vs

>Melta/Las Kratos
>2 Regular Vindicators

Pointswise the Volkite very marginally wins, but what would either option be better suited for?

Why does the concept of a Dreadnought wielding a sword, axe or hammer upset people so?

>>96408943
Get rolled by a Galatus and lets see how salty you get after.

>>96408943
Outside of custodes it looks silly.

>>96408611
The (HH) midge.

>>96408896
Its doable but difficult.

10 man lasrifle sections don't do anything but collect line points for a turn and then die. 10 man veletaris sections can all do decent damage for their points cost but would gain no benefit from solar pattern cohort doctrine.

Also after you've blown your load the Arvus is a paperweight. You're paying 80 points per squad to give your infantry +18" on their first move.

Vanguard Sections with heavy flamers would be extremely funny with this strat so if you wanted to do this you'd probably split your forces 3 ways between vanguard sections, storm axe sections and lasrifle sections.

>>96408557
hmm

not for Volley Fire, because:

Vanguard (X) requires that the *last* Model in the Unit Controlling or Contesting the Objective be removed as a result of an Attack made by the Vanguard unit, which does not occur when the last Model which is within 3" of the Objective is removed as a casualty if that model is not the last model in the unit - there's no option for VP award if the Unit still exists, UNLESS that Attack causes the Unit to Fall Back - but only if the Attack that causes it to Fall Back is made during a Combat;

per the FAQ, the second condition is now:

>• If a Unit that includes a majority of Models with the Vanguard (X) Special Rule has at least one attack made for it in a Combat that results in one or more enemy Units that had at least one Model within 3" of an Objective at the start of that Assault Phase either Falling Back from Combat or being Massacred.

so in the event that the unit Controlling the Objective at the start of that Assault phase is removed by the Vanguard unit in Combat, yes (but not any other phase, if you have a rule that lets you fight out of normal sequence for some reason)

this wording change may have been made because no Unit can Control an Objective if it is locked in combat - so for Vanguard, unless it's specified that the Unit Controlled the Objective *before* it was locked in combat in the same phase, there's no way to score on the original wording of the second point; the new wording allows the scoring while also gating it behind certain behaviours - you can't use Vanguard to score extra points by dogpiling units already locked in combat at the start of the phase, for one thing

>>96408896
>>96408959
Seconding this anon, its a little awkward for Auxillia and Arvus' right now. Not a bad way for a Legate to arrive and plant themselves on an objective mid game. Last edition the Solar Cohort gave them to Veletari's as DT but with no assault benefit. If you want to do something aireborne, I'd wait for the Militia PDF which is hopefully coming today.

>>96408451
Assassins can only be taken by using another Prime Advantage to add three Support slots that only Assassins can use to the Primary Detachment

none of those slots has a Prime Advantage option

>>96408987
Read it again anon.

>>96408954
NTA, but that seems like a very silly distinction. The customer contemptors are basically identical outside of colors, a some filigree and a different helmet, they'd probably fit in just as well as blood angels as custodes. In my opinion, what makes other dreadnoughts holding shit not work is usually down to people shoving shit awkwardly in their fingers and weapons that are too big

>>96408960
>Vanguard (X) requires that the *last* Model in the Unit Controlling or Contesting the Objective be removed as a result of an Attack made by the Vanguard unit, which does not occur
No, it doesnt, read the rule.
>>96408563
It specifies model controlling the objective.

How stupid is the idea of units of rapiers in Spartans

>>96408943
Because the sword in that picture is far too large and unwieldy. The sword and board Contemptor has a blade thats a reasonable size.

>>96408960
>this wording change may have been made because no Unit can Control an Objective if it is locked in combat - so for Vanguard, unless it's specified that the Unit Controlled the Objective *before* it was locked in combat in the same phase, there's no way to score on the original wording of the second point; the new wording allows the scoring while also gating it behind certain behaviours - you can't use Vanguard to score extra points by dogpiling units already locked in combat at the start of the phase, for one thing
What are you talking about, the second condition doesnt require the unit to control the objective, just be within 3" of it, which just happens to be one of the conditions (and a common situation) for controlling it. The wording change just adds Massacred to the list because RAW if you wiped the unit you didnt score, because the first condition says "controlling."

The thing that prevents dogpiling multiple units with Vanguard is the explicit wording of the rule after that clause that says it only can be scored once per objective per turn.

>>96408451
Taking a vindicaire is good when your army doesn't have snipers of its own. And I do like the vanus as its reactions don't use up the reaction points.

are you an armor autist, or do you make kino mixed mark squads?

>>96409046
Yes.
>>96408943
Usually because they're too big, imo.
I'm getting some bits delivered next week including the sword from the new plastic Daemon Prince, that I'll be using for my Word Bearers dread. Not sure if I want him to hold it, or just have it grow out of daemonic flesh.

>>96409008
>No, it doesnt, read the rule.

the relevant part of the rule as amended by the FAQ states:

>• If an attack made for a Unit that includes a majority of Models with the Vanguard (X) Special Rule causes the last Model in an enemy Unit that is Controlling or Contesting an Objective to be Removed as a Casualty.

the Model doesn't Control or Contest the Objective - the Unit as a whole does, so this provision can only refer to the Unit losing Control or Contest of the Objective, not "a model from a unit which is within 3" of the Objective"

you don't get VP for removing one Model, only if you remove the entire Unit that model was part of

>>96409023
you are correct; the first provision requires the Unit to be Controlling or Contesting the Objective, the second provision does not

Why was Eidolon promoted to be the perfectionist Legion's #2 even though he's universally disliked and also embarrassingly bad at his job?

>>96409129
His job is to play toady for fulgrim which he is pretty good at.

>>96408310
I think you've got something wrong about de minimis there. It was a tariff exemption for packages under $800, not an $80 fee.
UK tariff is 10%, GW will have to eat that or pass it on by raising prices. They will probably bump up their prices a bit but not immediately, maybe they'll do it across the board like they did a while back.
It may be already be accounted for by their planned continuation of price increases on new products, which they stated to investors in their annual financial report a few months ago.
On average, new kits are 5% more expensive than they would have been if released last year, according to the report, and this will continue.

>>96408557
No

>>96408563
>>96408850
Anons, "last Model in an enemy Unit that is controlling" means the final survivor of the entire unit. Not the last model "of" the unit that was the last one in control range. It's the unit that's controlling the objective, not the singular model. That one model may be the only one in range, but it is scoring for the whole unit.

You need to wipe the unit.

>>96408943
Execution of the concept. That power fist is not meant to hold that sword. It looks bad. The sword is comically large but that's less of a big deal. If you're going that far for a conversion, just get a custodes dread style ha d to actually wield the sword.

>>96409172
>not an $80 fee.
>UK tariff is 10%
The rate is set to $80 for any packages ordered from a country with a tariff lower than 16%. Even if $80 is more than 16% of the price tag. It doesn't go lower.

>>96409207
Should have read the FAQ, the answer is now yes as >>96409099 points out; it checks the start of the phase. They are also correct in that the unit controls it and needs a wipe.

>>96408960
Anon did you actually read the question you're answering?

>>96408917
Lorebreaking? What? But shooting a demolisher cannon into a unit to stun it and then charging 20 axe velataris at them seems like a perfect combo.

>>96406380 (OP)
>dislikes horse
>posts Loss instead
That's worse.

>>96409305
If you identify with anime women, you are a tranny.

>>96409478
Anon you do realize that saying that a because someone thinks a woman is hot it means they want to be them is literally a telltale projection of trannies right

>>96409499
It's not just you thinking the woman is hot. It's you posting that woman repeatedly, incessantly, as a reaction image or just as an identifier. That means you identify with a woman. That makes a you a faggot who likes taking it up the ass at best and a tranny at worst.

>>96409305
the joke of the horse was funny at first but now it seems to hijack every thread. i prefer the loss now honestly.

>>96409507
Not even the same Anon retard, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy

>>96409507
>Spamming a meme image means you want to be the person in that image
Guess there's a lot of people that identify as a rare pepe :^)

>>96409514
It's literally one raging retard, no one else cares other than pointing out the funny places OP anon hides it. Don't let reeing idiots control your hobbies - that's what trannies use ;^)

>>96409563
I don't want any more anime horses in the OP anon. thats all.

>>96409567
>Feeling this threatened by anime horse girls
Rent-free

>>96409575
I'm not
>>96409507
>>96409499
>>96409478
but if you want to twist it that way to endorse further 7-8 more threads with this stuff because some random anon was 'threatened' by it, whatever. Its just become annoying.

>>96409567
You do realize you're acting like a petulant child, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J_B-2DQF0w

>>96409593
ReverendBurn in 2025?

Is that guy even still alive

>>96409567
Anime horse goes in every field.

>>96407125
I mantain that superheavy tanks are operated more like warships than like actual tanks:
>Helm, set a course to the main gate, marching speed. Gearhead, keep the reactor warm
>Yes cap'n
>[Compliance]
>Comms, broadcast our heading to command, they can come or not
>AYESSIR!
>Sponson gunners, prioritize targets by distance, then size
>Sir!
>Aye aye!
>Yes sir!
>Your will!
>Turret, prioritize targets by size
>Copy that!
>Casemate, pound that gate, continuous shelling no matter what
>Rrroger!

New sister of silence model got shown off

>>96409514
I fucking love old Phobos bolters UOOOOH ;__;

>>96409645
I wish.

>>96409666
Yeah.
I'm the Sisters' Strongest Soldier and I need more models than the one fucking box and shitty upgrade kit

Do you think some SoH would keep a single shoulder pad, or knee or something white out of pride for their time as Luna Wolves, or does that seem too l*yalist?

>>96409682
>MkIV legs
>MkII torso
>MkVII helmet

>>96406979
>>96406996
The Land Raider Ares and Vindicator sacrifice their transport capacity for a demolisher cannon BECAUSE the demolisher cannon is bolted on and replaces the transport capacity, rather than replacing any existing weapons on the vehicle. By contrast, the Dracosan's demolisher cannon replaces an already existing weapon housing. Maybe the writers realized that and decided to have it keep the 20 man capacity

>>96409713
It sacrificing transport capacity is also a thing in Legions Imperialis. It's an oversight, anon, don't abuse it

>>96409704
think it's one of these mkIV helmets with an open face vent actually. what looks like the bottom "lip" seems to be part of the neck. we do a little armor mixing around these parts

>>96409713
Proteus taking twin hull guns doesn't sacrifice any transport capacity despite adding a new gun where there wasn't one before. Typhon replaces the Spartan's hull guns (and front ramp) with a big gun and loses all of the transport capacity.

>>96409805
Least fucked up Raptors

Hi guys, genuine question about infiltrate. I had my first test game and infiltrate seemed super busted.

Am I right in thinking that, since you deploy all your infiltrators alongside the rest of your army who ever deploys first has a massive advantage since they can control everything but your opponents deployment zone? Like being able to freely deploy onto objectives.

This to me seems massively OP for any infiltrate heavy armies or just anyone with a load of tarantulas/recon marines,

Am i reading that right?
Are there any ways to count this? (Like 2nd ed augury scanners)

>>96409820
AL can infiltrate twenty tacs on an objective with one of their characters.

I think they're going to be a big problem now there's nothing that interacts with infiltrate anymore

>>96409820
Yes, infiltrate is that good. It's worse than it used to be though. And deploying second means you can infiltrate units to out-position enemy units, so deploying first isn't that much of an advantage.

>>96409867
>>96409873
Fuck and double fuck.

I'm an AL player and it seems like you can just fill the board with cheap sentry guns and slap troops on objectives then just out score the enemy so there's nothing they can do. This feels to me like a massive oversight desu.

I don't get it like 2.0 was so easy to have infiltrators come on AFTER both sides had deployed their regular guys.

>>96409820

The downside there is that you then have a giant pile of recon marines, which are incredibly overcosted. If you're AL or a similar faction that can drop a whole bunch of actually good infiltrators it'll get mean, though, I'm not aware of a counter.

>>96409867

Dynat's infiltrate ability works cross-faction, too. If you can still get a 40-50 model Levy blob from Militia, it might be possible to infiltrate the whole squad on the 12" centreline, react them 3" forward when the enemy moves up and zone them off every centreline objective with a big line of dudes, since they can't get within 1" of you without charging and they can't control objectives while in combat.

You can also do this with Thralls, which can't be routed in combat, but in that case they can actually get models onto the point without engaging you in melee, since thralls can't Reposition. Since you only want this screen to last long enough to deny a rhino rush and let you score R1, the cheaper and shittier you can get the infantry the better.

>>96409910
>This feels to me like a massive oversight desu.
Bro you just described literally 90% of the problems with 3.0 its chalked full of massive oversite issues

>>96409910
Yes it was you retarded, thats why alpha legion and raven guard were busted for anyone with a brain, you started the game basically controlling 2/3 of the board.

>>96409910
You're not right in the head if you think infiltrate now is stronger than in 2.0. Units that can infiltrate on objectives are like the perfect target for units with vanguard though. And they can't charge turn 1, but enemy units can charge them - which is pretty much guaranteed with the increased mobility of transports and such. And by the way, units can no longer grant infiltrate to their transport, another huge nerf.
And don't forget infiltrators have to stay a certain range away from the enemy deployment zone - which is basically what augury scanners did.

>have infiltrators come on AFTER both sides had deployed their regular guys
That was one of the things that made infiltrate waaay stronger than it is now. Even if you had to deploy first, infiltrators were put down after both sides deployed regular units. This meant that you could use infiltrate to always position your units perfectly in response to how your opponent deployed, or force your opponent to deploy extremely defensively and concede board control entirely.

>>96406473
Almost done Blackshield siege breaker

>>96409681
>all the SoS heresy stuff is out of stock
it's never gonna happen, I bet solid money we'll get female custodes as models before a new SoS

>>96409976
>blackshield
Yeah okay bro nice iron warrior

>>96409624
>SIR, WE APPEAR TO BE IN A 28MM SCALE GAME
>an oversized skirmish ruleset? Ah. Ensign, hand me my pistol from the emergency suicide drawer.

>>96409650
Real

Why do you paypiggies continue to play a game where you just farm "victory points" that make no narrative sense from arbitrary objective markers? You know that's not how battles work, right? Even in the lore?

>>96410061
stop playing with tourneyshitters

>>96410082
Those aren't just tournament battles, that's the default mission type in the 3.0 book. And the 2.0 book. They locked all the cool narrative missions in the journals this time, too.

>>96409976
Your cape bro?

>>96409805
>pedo artist

>>96410104
I dont have a photographic memory of all nonce artists and there are no kids in that

>>96410088
3.0 is gonna be terrible, everyone is either going to play 2.0 or the game’s dead in a year

>>96409873
>so deploying first isn't that much of an advantage.
Then infiltrating first isn't that big an advantage anymore, i hope? Plus you can't infiltrate the other guy's Deployment Zone, so there's that.
I would use a Saboteur to Big Boss his way around in enemy territory, soloing Recon squads and unabombing vehicles of opportunity
>>96409910
>there's nothing they can do.
...can't they kill you or something? You know, seeing you are now closer to the enemy. You only have so many Reactions

>>96410115
Nogames, didn't you hear Pardo and read Goonhammer? 3.0 is gonna be the best edition EVER!!!! The game is PERFECT!!!

>>96409805
Did the Raptors have actual bird/raven features?
I always felt like they just had slightly demonic or heavily mutated features, a bit like the Wulfen.

>>96410112
This time pedoposter is right.

>>96409913
Infantry cannot impede Rhino rushes, anon; vehicles go through them unimpeded. They can even disembark their cargo afterwards.
As for Thralls, if they don't have a nanny they can be Routed easy, right? Natural Ld4. They better use some attached character's Ld9 (and lose Expendable in the process)

>>96409974
>you could use infiltrate to always position your units perfectly in response to how your opponent deployed
Yeah. As in "you can deploy 12 inches in front of my Augury Scanner castle". You could really force the enemy to waste their infiltrate
Man, Augury Scanners were that overpowered

>>96410136
Honestly, I don't really care since the raptors art is good and has 0 kids in it
>>96410130
I actually read the book and I do not remember

>>96410130
I remember some of them getting talons but not more past that, except the guy who's spine turned into a U shape

>>96410061
>You know that's not how battles work
Maybe yours lmao

>>96410124
I despise how influencers caved and instantly started hyping up the edition after the leaks because they get free goodies from GW. It's fucking horrible for the community, because they've effectively gaslighted people into liking 3.0 and making the switch just by saying "it's good, don't listen to the haters! Negativity bad!"

Ten years ago, this wouldn't have happened. 3.0 would've been trashed like it was during the leaks, and without the influence of the shill influencers, the community would most likely have turned on it entirely and it would've been remembered as a huge failure by GW and an example of why they should do market research and give a shit about what their customer base wants.

Now? 3.0 seems to be successful, so far. All thanks to the shills doing damage control after the leaks. Hell, it's actually better for GW that the leaks happened at all, it allowed damage control to be done before day one. Had the leaks not happened, people would've bought their books on day one and lost their fucking minds once they opened them. So now we're definitely gonna see HH enter the 3 year edition cycle hell 40k is stuck in.

THANK YOU, PARDO AND GOONHAMMER.

>>96410122
Yeah infiltrate is way less of an advantage now. Not being allowed to infiltrate in or near the enemy deployment zone is another of the huge nerfs to it.

>the realization that I might be getting hundreds of dollars worth of Horus Heresy stuff in the mail soon that I only paid a few bucks for
Is this... guilt?

>>96410186
Elaborate?

>>96410168
Please show me an excerpt from a sourcebook or even a shitty BL novel that showcases marines fighting over who gets to squat on a random spot the longest, even if they got beaten back from the objective by the enemy.

>>96410141
Augury scanners meant shit, because units could infiltrate inside their dedicated transports. Unless you made a wall of units the infiltrators could not move through, there was no way to stop them from getting into melta range or whatever.

>>96410124
>Goonhammer
I know it was sarcasm and all, but in all seriousness i can't imagine anyone who would seriously take what this shitters says

>>96409567
Agree. The SoB on the feral world stuff was nice, but this is just forced and crappy.

>>96410188
>>96408213
>>96408236

>>96410178
>The leaks actually were a good thing for GW now according to the haters
Peak schizo. Top kek.

>>96410206
Oh, cool.
Normally stores will cancel the order if the price is obviously wrong like that but it seems you might actually be getting them.
You didn't do anything wrong

>>96410061
As opposed to controlling objectives after an arbitrary number of abstracted gameplay turns have passed?

>>96409733
>Where does the bolt go?
But giant cannon edition

>>96410178
If you play Mech or Auxilia 3.0 is infinitely preferable to 2.0 and likely still a better gameplay experience than 1.0 too.

If you play marines in the marine game tho you do probably want to go back to 2.0 yeah.

>>96408943
its just too cool...

>>96406473
Trying to work out how this goes together

>>96410206
slap your belly until it is pink to atone and then enjoy your free crap

Man I really need to get an Acquisitor, it's so cool looking.

>>96410178
>So now we're definitely gonna see HH enter the 3 year edition cycle hell 40k is stuck in
Just say no, pass it along

>>96410283
>the hatches in the sides that they lock psykers inside.

It is a real cool model yeah.

>>96410283
It's big too, do it anon. Buy it

Does anyone else think about painting and other projects while at work or while doing something else then when you get time to paint you just don’t? I walk by my half finished army that I’ve been working on for over a year that I’ll maybe pick up and work on for a few hours a month. I feel really shitty because I do like the hobby I just have no drive to actually paint and when I do it’s in “spurts”. Am I lazy or is it something else? Wondering if this happens to anyone else. This is the last thing I put a brush to like a month ago maybe.

>>96410357
I don’t know why it posted sideways

>>96410357
Yes, every day. Depression stemming from ADHD and burnout.

>>96410357
You’re not lazy you’re just burning out. Don’t force yourself to do something, its supposed to be fun.

>>96410193
Alpharius deploys to a mechanicum station to blow it up (Capture the Objective: set up Demo charges). They hold the enemy long enough (Capture the Objective: defend the charges), and the station is both blown up and the evidence is destroyed by hurling the debris into the sun.
He wasn't Alpharius, and pic related is from a similar operation elsewhere. Tenebrae, Muror and Paramar, take your pick.
No excerpt, infer shit yourself. Extract data, transmit coordinates, defend an artifact. I won't imagine things for you.
I bet you don't even say "pew pew" when guns fire.

>>96410195
>no way to stop them from getting into melta range
Deploy your vehicle behind augur tacticals? Every play has a counterplay. Doesn't mean stuff is pointless, but I am saying no thing is unanswerable

>>96410302
I will, I just found one for $50.
I got a termite ages ago and that's also way bigger than I expected.
I might also pick up a Draykavac as he looks fun.

>>96410394

Big fan of Draykavac's model. The 30k Magi in general have a lot more drip than their 40k cousins, they feel a lot more aesthetically cohesive and don't have quite so much stuff stuck on everywhere.

Sorry for posting these dudes again, but done (?) I think.

I'm pondering how to best use the mechanicum Macrotek Apex and I'm starting to think it might just be three Krios, which feels a bit janky if you have all these other tanks.

All the other vehicles already have AV14 front and enough hull points to take a melta hit, you basically can't use the Macrocarid or Triaros anyway because it can't transport anything worth shit if it has the Macrotek keyword and the Karacnos is going to be in the back. May as well take a bunch of cheap tanks and boost them up to 14/13/10 7HP with amazing speed. The Venator laser is pretty mean against anything short of AV14, since D3 means it'll chunk dreadnoughts and EW TEQ, and the basic Krios gun is a monster of a template for 135pts.

>>96410487
Never apologize for posting models

>>96410487
they look good. white isnt an easy color to get right and the details look clean. good work

>>96410495
>can't use the Macrocarid or Triaros anyway because it can't transport anything worth shit if it has the Macrotek
What about Scyllax? You do have a Macrotek Archmag- never mind: you can't take Scyllax at all because they are Apex Retinue, and your Apex is already spent bringing improved tanks, and you can't take any Logistical because that detachment forces you to take the tank improvement. SAD!

>>96410454
Yeah having come from 40k, the HH Mechanicum are way better looking.
I got a scoria a while ago and it was gorgeous, though a pain in the ass to build and paint
>>96410487
They look great, good work.

>>96410373
>at least 5 patterns of terminator armor
Saturnine confirmed?!?!

>>96410658
Saturnine isn't real, child
These are your delusions again
Enjoy Cataphractii

>>96410658
>cata
>tarta
>indo
>satur
>???

>>96410373
Why does everyone play alpha legion?

>>96410691
technically gorgon?

>>96410691
Gorgon

>>96410693
Everyone IS Alpha Legion. The entire Heresy was a psyop.

>>96409225
Oof. That's fucking retarded.

It's even worse for China.
>Countries with an effective IEEPA tariff rate between 16-25% (inclusive): $160 per item
>Countries with an effective IEEPA rate above 25%: $200 per item.
Guess which category they're in.

>>96410699
>>96410708
Yeah but that wouldn't be fun would it?

>>96410731
Scout termies. Made by the RG, stolen by the AL.

>>96410727
Chinese recasters will go from eating like kings to digging through dumpsters overnight.

>>96410760
Doubtful, even with tariffs China cast is cheaper then GW

>>96410693
Cool color scheme, cool design language, satisfying to play, lerneans are gorgeous models, fun kitbashing (Effrit, headhunters).
They're also a high skill floor army and are kinda busted when played well, so it attracts technical players. I do think their rules do a great job of embodying how tricky and nasty the legion is but unfortunately that's not something that's fun to fight (as opposed to more "honest" legions like world eaters or death guard or something). I really wish each legion trait still had a downside like in 1st Ed, something representing the martial hubris and arrogance of the AL to counterbalance their various tricks.

Their biggest flaw is that their lore is kind of lame sometimes and their community is almost as insufferable as DA, IF or NL.

I'm an Alpha Legion player so take everything I'm saying with a grain of salt.

>>96410693
Because every LGS should have two alpha legion players who each INSIST they are Alpharius.

>>96410777
How would one achieve the old Indigo color scheme with an airbrush?

>>96410740
That's a fun idea actually

>>96410676
Speaking of cataphractii, arent there rumors that its going to get an updated kit soon?

>>96410529

I could Logistical Benefit some in with my primary detachment Primes, but putting the Archmagos in the transport means he can't use Battlesmith 4, LD10 Cybertheurgy, his free-reaction special rule or his ability to give a tank a 6++. Ordinarily, I'd just take a cheap cybernetica techpriest to give them Comptroller 1 and maybe some cybertheurgy buffs, but he can't go in the Macrocarid, so it would just be naked scyllax who can't score or react. Faction-locked Macrocarid kind of killed the unit, despite a solid statline.

>>96410777
This mf didn't just skip leg day, he never bothered to begin with

>>96410777
Question for the knowing, do they use spears as a gimmick weapon or is that just their Primarch?

>>96410794
If I were to do so I'd go for pro acryl dark blue and dark purple, with dark blue airbrushed as highlights.
>>96410805
Unfortunately that's a byproduct of mk5 being so old lmao, I kind of love how goofy they all look though

>>96410810
Honestly mostly just their primarch but a ton of their culture comes from the Greek so a unit of AL hoplites would be insanely cool, I'm planning on doing up a squad of vet breachers with that loadout soon.
Alpharius himself in the books uses a sword as often as he does a spear, but we'll have to wait for the Omegon model to see if it's represented.
The one melee weapon I most strongly associate with the AL is power daggers, fits their underhanded and cqb focused nature so well.

What would make a good conversion basis for an SA Legate? I don't want to just have the regular Command Section leader dude but without a helmet or something

>>96410823
>pro acryl dark blue and dark purple, with dark blue airbrushed as highlights.

So would you highlight the dark blue on the dark purple, or would you mix dark blue and dark purple and then add the dark blue airbrush highlights?

>>96410831

I like 3.0 AL a lot, but I do slightly miss the old function of power daggers where they gave you an extra attack and the option of using them as a sneaky fast profile, rather than being your sole melee weapon. It felt more fitting than trying to fight a thunder hammer with a knife.

>>96410771
It explains why my Chinaman told me he wasn't shipping to the US anymore because of the tariffs.
I thought it was just the 50% tariff rate, but it would have been a 200$ charge plus the tariff, on what would have been a $200~ order he would have lost $100 before the cost of making and shipping the models.

>>96410875
I think I would completely base it in the dark purple (maybe mix it 3:1 with their dark blue) and then zenithal dark blue with the airbrush. From what I've seen the key to making the indigo scheme look good is a ton of green geometric designs, so freehanding will be your friend.
>>96410876
I do miss how versatile it was, but I think a change was need because of how stupid things could get (like in FotA, where you could give your warlord contemptor dread a tiny powerdagger to still get an extra fist attack on top of whatever ranged gun you wanted). I definitely think they overcorrected in 3.0 when they removed all attack bonuses outside of lightning claws

>>96410831
What would a power dagger look like? Just a knife with a strip and a bead?

>>96410904
Your chinaman has shitty shipping then.
Mine just stopped shipping for like a month or so to figure it out,and now he has it sorted and we pay about ehhhhh 30% more? thats about it?

>>96410916
And what color would you prime it with? Black?

>>96410919
The ones in the Headhunters kit look straight up just like a regular knife. I'm assuming that because they're so short, the emitter can be in the handle and doesn't need to stretch out onto the blade.
I mostly use bayonets on the forearms because I think it looks cool and the bits are so easy to source

>>96410940
Black and probably grey zenithal priming so it gives some more depth to the purple if you're light on the trigger

>>96410693
Because they play like space marines should: Shock assault from all possible angles, sowing confusion while targetting enemy's central command and isolating and exterminating any pocket of resistance
As opposed to Iron Warriors, who do unstoppable encircling assaults so shocking the enemy is stunned, and they exterminate any resistance
As opposed to the Sons of Horus, who do unstoppable speartip shock assaults targetting the enemy's central command, and exterminate all resistance by sheer brutal aggression
As opposed to the Space Wolves, who do unstoppable shock assaults that...

>>96396649
I hope anon didn't end up on LiveLeak at work.

>>96410777
Checked. How would one go by making a Veteran-heavy force? The idea is for multiple cells each of them dangerous, instead of the old Termies-in-LR approach of other legions. This seems to be the VEQ edition.
But it feels like they are going to be vulnerable, and the legion doesn't infiltrate nearly as much as before.

>>96410777
>insufferable as DA, IF or NL.
Huh? What's wrong with DA? Outside of WAACfag ofc

>>96411072
gay but ashamed of it unlike night lords. whole legion trying to accuse each other of being DL

>>96411050
If I were to do a vet heavy force I think I'd go all in on banestrike for them, they're expensive but that's a lot of firepower. You could also sprinkle special weapons through the squads to make them more versatile, basically like old 40k tac squads. Give em a bunch of rhinos, put in some heavy armor, and maybe some seekers for precision.

>>96410802
Can't you just take a rando techpriest in your primary detachment and give him macrotek? Primary detachment can mix races

>>96411108
>DL
Dewberry Lover?

>>96411072
DA are constantly wanked, and their fans never shut up about being better than everyone else at everything. DAs whole thing is being the first and best at everything, which means they're incredibly boring Mary Sues.
This is obviously just my own experience, but people that go for DA (or custodes) almost always seem to be very insecure and corn Redditors so thats very much tainted my view of their legion.

>>96410115
Yes. My basement group is remaining in our own 2.5 world. I didn't even have to convince anyone. They just read the rules/libers and noped the fuck out.

>>96411146
Dark Langles vs Death Lard

>>96410871
You could do a lot of work modifying one of the fancier Imperial agents models from 40k. Either a rogue trader or an inquisitor.

>>96411157
NTA but there's nothing more reddit than giving out psych evaluations based on legion preference. I've literally seen BAs with INTJ freehanded on their chests.

>>96411146
(gay) on the Down Low

>>96411197
I mean more like the DA and Custodes players I've physically met and played with, some of them being my close friends. If you're short, fat, and can't look a person in the eyes while you play Warhammer with them it's not a huge jump to figure out why you picked the super special perfect boys that can do anything better than everyone else.

>>96411240
How's your experience with other armies anon? I wanna see how it fits with mine.

>>96411279
Other AL and IW players were pretty autistic, space wolves and white scars players were great, Ultramarines and word bearer players are bros, solar aux and mechanicum dudes are usually chads and all the ones I know have beautiful armies.
I only know one SoH player and he's perhaps the greatest man of all time. He's a 5 foot 3 Filipino man that only responds to Horus when we're actually playing and I swear to God he must have multiple personalities because he acts absolutely ruthless when we play and then is the nicest guy ever when we're done. Based on my sample size of one that makes SoH players kings.
I haven't played against legions outside the ones I mentioned above (and DA, IF and NL).

What are your experiences anon?

>>96411240
>>96411197
>>96411157

>Something something something Dark angel players are the worst Something something
>Be a DA fan
IDK man i just like terminators, plasma, space knights, and ravenwing/deathwing wombo como

>>96411377
Also i like Old man tells a compelling story from his younger days as he swings a big fucking sword around.

>>96411377
Don't get me wrong, DA are very cool and embody the "knights in space" aspect of space marines incredibly well. We're just saying that the average DA fan kind of sucks, just like the average AL or IF fan is kind of annoying. It falls to every Warhammer player to strive to be a good counter example of these trends - i.e. don't be a faggot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kBrhn1EdvY

Legions for this feel?

>>96406557
Twin lascannon for long range is safest. Dual melee will fuck up any vehicle it hits, but may not make it there. If yoy wanna go melee, a drop pod is your best bet.

For mid range, plasma is the best option. Plasma +q fist is what i plan to run

>>96411447
Thousand Sons

>>96411447
well given that racehorses, much like thunder warriors, get put down when they are no longer of use, I'd say Legio Cataegis

>>96411447
Night Lords, because you're a fucking tranny.

>>96411522
obsessed

Would (You) put a nuncio-vox on an Interdiction Cadre?

>>96406805
I am not a fan of them. The low range makes them vulnerable and I would just run more vindicators

>>96411528
Hell yeah I'm obsessed, tranny. I'm gonna fuck your asshole.

>>96411447
why are the horses singing? I thought they were just racists?

>>96411539
You're a tranny for posting this image

>>96411551
can you shut the fuck up about trannies? no one was talking about you mentally ill retards

>>96411157
>>96411240
Lmao how homosexual do you have to be to give out a psych eval based on your idea of what a Legion would attract. Sounds like youre projecting schizo-kun.

>>96411447
Ultramarines post shadow crusade, en-route to Terra.

>>96411539
because Umamusume was developed so Cygames could have their own in-house version of iDOLM@STER instead of only being the devs given the license to develop cinderella girls. The horse girls giving idol concerts is one remnant of that.

>>96411566
I'm gonna fuck your asshole.

>>96411529
Depends on how many interdiction cadres I was using. Just one? Hell no. Three? Yeah, opponent is going to have a hard time deleting all 60 marines and might opt to status them instead, plus despoilers are likely to status themselves with a failed charge.

>>96411575
Did you not read what I said about basing that on the people I know that play those factions? You insufferable faggot?
Did I hurt your feelings shitting on your gay ass Mary Sues?

>loyalist fans are almost always ugly/fat/short/balding/autistically awkward or any combination of the above, except white scars players who are chads
>traitor legion players are always normal, except night lords players who are trannies/faggots

I think it's just safe to assume that liking the baddies/mongolians means that you have more self-confidence and you're not afraid to play a bunch of guys with zero redeeming qualities. Pic related

>>96411635
I fucking love white scars and WE
I fucking hate painting white.
I play DA because i like big fucking swords and black armor is easier to paint.

can a vehicle still pivot for free? or does any movement mean its giving up heavy (x)?

>>96411647
You play Dark Angels because you're gay.

>>96411635
LUPERCAL LUPERCAL LUPERCAL LUPERCAL!

>>96411628
>people I know that play those factions?
Nigger please. There are exactly 2 Heresy players in your area and exactly 0 games being played. Both of them are IW "players" who spend all their time jerking it to horses and dodging Putins meat grinder.

>>96411447
I'll just say it, idol concerts are the most skippable part of the anime. I don't play the phone game but the anime is one of the only sports focused ones that I really like but once the few singing parts come on I start skipping around. Anyways, UM.

>>96411655
Pivoting on the spot doesn't count as moving yes. Don't be the faggot that tries to abuse this with rhinos doing donuts BTW

>>96411171
I unfortunately talked 2 of my friends who are 40k refugees into full investment into HH before 3.0 faggotry got leaked and pretty much everything I sold them on got swept away or heavily implied that its getting cut. I told them straight up I’d play 3.0 with them if they want to play that way or we can homebrew the new units into 2.0. they’re leaning towards 2.0 but I still feel terrible for talking them into this shitstorm.

>>96411655
If you want to pivot you have to hand mr james work'shoppe 50 bucks. More if you go over a full turn.

>>96411635
>not afraid to play a bunch of guys with zero redeeming qualities
This implies Dark Angels have redeeming qualities or I'm not fat and both my scale and I know one of those is a fucking lie.

>>96410487
That cream looks tasty

>>96411674
That Teio scene is pretty much the only idol concert of any substance since it shows Teio still trying to perform despite her injury but yea, most of the concerts are just awkwardly shoved in.
Haven't watched Cinderella Gray yet though.

Horus Heresy by the way

>>96411635
Idk about that, playing the bad guys is just fun. I don’t think its about identity or personality. All my friends play loyalists and they’re pretty cool.

>>96411657
I think people looked into the nightclub thing, and it turned out no such nightclub ever existed in Nottingham, and the whole thing was just made up, but the poem is very much about Johnson's personal struggles and self loathing because of his homolust.

>>96411838
the loyalists don't even get to shine in the heresy, only two of them really achieve anything of note, three of them are BTFO and the rest are virtually out of the game. They also have the worst characters in the novels and frankly in the lore also with no decent side characters and not many recurring ones.

>>96411925
Yea there's no gay club in Nottingham or London named The Rock, but the promontory Nottingham Castle sits on is nicknamed "Castle Rock" and there are some things around Nottingham that have Rock in the name like the Rock City music venue.
We actually do have a list of a bunch of different gay bars/clubs in Nottingham from the 70's and 80's, and none of them have Rock in the name.
https://leftlion.co.uk/features/2011/07/a-history-of-gay-nottingham-gay-up-me-duck/

This is a long shot, but does anyone know the excerpt or have a cap of the passage that describes the ridiculous amount of weapons and armour that the Lion has stashed in his personal armory?

>>96411604
Hope you got 3 HQ bro...wait that's not an unreasonable ammount of HQ to have.
So, Despoilers? They're going to need a 5", no? That's probably like a 50-50 when rerolling the dice. You may have more trouble fitting them all than making the charge itself

>>96412004
Roll twice drop lowest provides consistently good rolls more regularly than a reroll.

>>96411447
It's a show about singing and wanting to have sex with horses.

Emperor's Children.

>>96412288
>honse show
>about singing

>>96412004
They can't be deployed within 5" of enemy models, so you've got to roll a six. Still not impossible, but worth taking a vox in case they fail and your opponent decides not to delete them - or another way to look at it is it might force your enemy to delete them instead of shooting at more important units.

>>96410136
thanks for ruining that tummy pic for me cunt

>>96412004
>>96412234
Interdiction seems pretty funny for just cockblocking turn 1 objective rushers - you don't even need to land directly on the objective, just block their rhino when it moves near on objective, so the unit inside can't get on the objective, but you can still have a go at trying to charge them/cap the objective later if they don't blow your balls off.

>>96412350
Why were you looking at child porn to begin with?

>>96412396
>drawn images
>child porn

>>96411635
>except night lords players who are trannies/faggots
I feel bad for the other NL players who can't post anymore because of that one tranny from a red state

Curious, is working with resin a nightmare as everyone makes it out to be? I just got myself some superglue, a toothbrush, and some dish liquid.

>TQ
I'm working on a Thousand Sons list. Don't know if it makes any sense - but I like Wizards that shoot fire.
So, 40MKVI Troopers, 10MKIII with hand flamers 10MKIII with heavy flamers, I'm dicking around with my list still...I'd like to get a Kratos and Sicarian Battle Tank since they look cool and speedy. Maybe a set of Skyhunter dudes? Speedy and Flamey - Thoughts? I just think they look dope.

>>96409478
>>96409514
Loss is even more cringe, he's trying too hard.

>Take Praetor
>Use Apex Detachment for Officer Cadre
>Take 2 Centurions in that
>Take 3 Centurions in the main detachment
>Use 8 detachments on Combat Pioneers
>Fill both slots in each Combat Pioneer with Tarantula Batteries
>Build a wall around your opponent's deployment zone
>Use your remaining points and remaining 2 detachments to get enough troops on the table that when he escapes your 32 free heavy bolter reactions, you've already claimed all of the objectives
Gaming.

>>96409805
Corvus you hack!

>>96412503
Go even faggier: use AL to spam headhunter leviathal so all those tarantulas are also Malefic, making them completely immune to s4 shooting.

>>96412396
I am an unashamed tummyfiend, I saw a picture of a nice tummy and was horny and happy in my ignorance. I have not felt such betrayal and disgust since a guy in HS sent me a link to a femboy tummy archive he made.
May you be blessed by Nurgle.

>>96412447
>is working with resin a nightmare as everyone makes it out to be?
characters are fine in my experience, but I've heard big vehicles can be a real pain in the ass to try to make things align properly.

>>96412447
> is working with resin a nightmare
No. After collecting 30k for a while, I genuinely have come to prefer resin models overall as they are easy to work with and modify, and have better detail.
That's for infantry/dreads/small tanks.
Large vehicles/flyers CAN be fucking awful to work with though, since you have a bunch of resin bricks you have to try align properly and they can all warp in slightly different ways.

>>96412503
>>96412530
>We should put daemons in our tarantulas
>Wait! What would Alpharius say if he was here?
>"I am Alpharius."
>. . . Good point.

>>96412503
>Flies over them with jump pack units
Ok.

>>96412604
That doesn't stop them from shooting you.

>>96412503
>take 520 points of HQs before upgrades
>LOLOLOL look at this super powerful meta-breaking meme list!!!
Play the game, wanker.

>>96410927
de minimus change goes live 2 days from now. International recasting gonna lose half its profits overnight.

>>96412336
>in case they fail
Aww no, a 6? Those aren't good odds, anon
>>96412360
If blocking is the goal, maybe Tacticals might be the better option?
>Block their Rhino
I'm not trying to be a cunt, anon, but how do you block a Rhino? Vehicles can go through infantry unimpeded. And they will be able to disembark, considering the incoming squad has to remain 5" away from it. That's a broad enough area to disembark a squad.
A squad that can disembark unimpeded, mind you, as the Interdictors are forced to attack the Rhino you declared against. The one whose hull is immune to their bolters, and the one they need a 6 to reach.
Though I guess the Rhino wouldn't be able to declare an Overwatch, so that's nice.

>>96412503
>>Build a wall around your opponent's deployment zone
Do anons really not know? Vehicles can go through infantry unimpeded

>>96412533
I do not understand why Tummy. I recognize it exists, but I do not know why it does

>>96412675
> but how do you block a Rhino?
It's not blocking the rhino's movement, anon.You react after they complete their move.

Rhino moves up towards an objective. Your tunnel snakes jump up in front of it. You can then try and charge the rhino before it can disembark which will entirely block the unit inside from getting anywhere near the objective (if successful) but even if you fail, you're still preventing the unit inside from disembarking their full move towards the objective.
At the very worst, you will contest the objective stopping them from scoring unless they kill your unit, and at best you will stop them from reaching it.

>>96412675
cant you death or glory ramming vehicles using melta charges or am I thinking of a different system?

>>96412745
You can, but you need to either kill the vehicle or roll a Motors Damaged. And meltabombs are both D4 (can never kill even a 5HP Rhino) and Armourbane (can never inflict statuses). So, unless the vehicle was already damaged, you can't really stop it.

>>96412447
>Curious, is working with resin a nightmare as everyone makes it out to be?
base by base basis, some things are easy as fuck in resin, other things are a bitch.

>>96412722
bonus points if you have more than one interdiction unit, so if your first unit doesn't completely cockblock the rhino itself, you then activate your second trap card against the disembarking unit, potentially getting 2 scoring units into range of the objective in reaction to the enemy trying to move just 1 of theirs.

>>96412633
>>LOLOLOL look at this super powerful meta-breaking meme list!!!
Where did I say this?
Show me where I said it.

>>96412745
yes, the rhino driving through the unit must temporarily halt its move touching at least 1 enemy model in the unit it was trying to drive through, then one enemy anywhere in the unit can attempt to shoot it or melee it. Every shot or melee attack auto-hits, but goes against front-armor. So rhinos can't simply drive through enemy units to go to objectives, they could get popped and drop their troops far from it.

Any troops that can't be placed without hitting impassable terrain or being within 1" of any enemy unit just instantly leave the game.

>>96412629
Haven't you heard, new terrain rules means no one gets to shoot ever unless it's point blank

>>96412786
>they could get popped

Not even melta bombs or lascutters can pop a Rhino in one hit. Nothing is stopping that Rhino unless it's already damaged by something.

>>96412802
Vehicles block LOS too, so even the tarantulas themselves block each other's shooting.

>>96412802
It's 100% of shots or 100% of melee attacks, not "one hit", so you're simply wrong.

>>96412503
>assuming in all cases your opponent chooses not to deploy within 9" of any edge of their deployment zone, on a 72"x48" board

Search and Destroy is a 116" deployment edge

Hammer and Anvil is a 48" deployment edge

Dawn of War is a 72" deployment edge

call Tarantulas 100mm around and say you've got all 32 spaced 2" apart (there's no worries about coherency and nothing is going to be able to move between them - in theory, then a line of angels could conga through the head of the pin exactly 1" from each Tarantula, but in practice, get fucked; packing them tighter just makes them eligible for bigger boys to bully them with templates)

that gives you a maximum coverage of about 190", so it can be done even on S/D but bolters are 1/9 to inflict a Status on each Tarantula and volkite is minimum 1/9 to inflict a Pen and at S5 is 1/9 to inflict a Status - the only saving grace here is that the Tarantulas are separate units once placed so units shooting them have to deal with them one at a time (blast and template weapons do not have this problem hence the need to space them out); melta at any range is almost a coin toss to destroy one, stationary lascannons are 1/9 to Status and 5/9 to fuckin destroy a Tarantula

each time you lose a Tarantula you have to plug that gap (it's no good relying on their free shooting - they can't Volley RAW, and they only get to shoot as Overwatch, for one model and one Reaction Point, or as Automated Fire); even on a 40k ice rink board with unimpeded lines of sight there's still weapons range to consider as well as unit types which don't care about heavy bolters, and the other guy can stand there and pick off each Tarantula in turn in his own Shooting phase without you being able to fire a shot at him, so long as he doesn't move

so far you've spent 1340 points for six footslogging dudes with bolters and chainswords and 32 roboguns so stupid they can't even shoot back if you don't move

like I get it but the Dracosans roll you

>>96412706
It is top third of the most important aspect of femininity.
It is the contrast needed for the honored hourglass.
It is the medium in which we connect with new life and the tender moments of intimacy.
Why not the Tummy?
The twink and femboy are a cruel mockery of this. They offer nothing but lies.I will not shame those who find solstice in it but you will not find me among it's number willingly.

>>96412831
Melta bombs and lascutters only allow a single attack. So yes, one hit.
Power fists and thunder hammers only have 2 damage, so a model needs to have three attacks minimum to destroy a rhino - and it better not fail a single penetration roll. Characters have better odds with more attacks, but a slightly below average roll means you just lost a character to a fucking 50 points tank.
Best bet would probably be a melta weapon, because melta bonus, but it is again one hit. That's a 50/50 in most cases.
The odds aren't as great as you seem to think.

>>96412867
Don't forget that even tactical marines come with krak grenades standard. 10 attacls with Str 6 damage 2 will rip through a tarantula quite reliable.

>>96412867
I appreciate you engaging with my silly post to this level.
I hope your pillow is cold and firm tonight, anon, you earned it.

>>96412898
Another case of GW just porting things over from old editions without any thought into how it will actually work with their current ruleset.

>>96412891
>It is top third of the most important aspect of femininity
I swear, I go feral for a moment every time my gf's shirt rises up a bit and I see her bellybutton.

>>96412920
I can't remember a time people ever used death or glory in a serious manner. It always has been a silly fun rule that usually results in one of your models getting flattened.

>>96410916

I'm mostly familiar with how they worked in 1.0, where you couldn't do that, so if that was possible in 2e I can definitely see how they corrected in that direction. I do appreciate Headhunters being able to strike at I6 though, that's pretty fun.

>>96411144

I could, but the point of the Cybernetica techpriest is to make the Scyllax score at Comptroller 1, and he can't get in the Macrocarid with the rest of the Macrotek units, so I may as well not bother. Jump packs for Magi and allowing me to run Macrocarids of any keyword would fix most of the issues I have with Mech.

>>96410137

They don't take Ld tests from shooting and they don't count towards combat res, so they're relatively hard to rout. Rhinos can move over infantry but they can't stop while overlapping them, so you can still stop a rhino rush if you're in the right place and thicken your line directly in front of enemy transports. I'd rather do this with a Levy blob, since then you can react forward to zone harder, but Thralls are pretty good at forming roadblocks.

>>96412937
You used to be able to force morale tests by tank shocking units with cheap empty rhinos, which was actually really useful value for money.
And back when you had entire units armed with melta bombs, risking a single assault marine to try blow up a rhino (a pen had 4/6 chance to stop it from moving) was very much worth the risk.

How in the fuck do you paint black armor this is driving me insane

>>96412991
I usually use acrylics.

>>96412991
I like Vallejo German Grey, but it's not a true black

>>96412891
this anon gets it

>>96412991
Spray abaddon black. Highlight with progressively lighter grays. Alternatively,
>https://youtu.be/su5i6OHMn2c

>>96413159
>a million steps to replace something that could have been done in 3
Truly a youtube video

>>96413325
do your models look like his?

>>96413327
Grey with a slight grey zenithal? Thankfully no. It doesn't look bad, but it is padded with extra steps.

>>96413341
So no, youre just shitposting. Go back to r*ddit retard-kun
>>96412991
Spray black, lightly edge/drybrush with something dark grey like Eshin Gray, and then move on. You think it looks bad initially until you block in the detailing, and then a decent hobby matte varnish makes it look great.

>>96412991
1. Spray the model Black.
2. Blend into the black a very thinned down coat of Stormvermin Fur.
3. Add some Mechanicus Standard Grey to the Stormvermin Fur and blend in the Highlight.
4. Line highlight the very top panel lines with Mechanicus Standard Grey.

Red:
1) Basecoat with Khorne Red.
2) Highlight with Evil Sun Scarlet
3) Wash with Tamiya Clear Red.

The FW painting recipe

are TS the only waac magnet in 3.0? are IF safe again?

>>96413424
It's looking like AL and Solar Aux might be WAAC too, but that's more due to a specific broken unit rather then a core component of their faction
>IF
I mean, just having BS5 on everything is still a pretty BS ability, but it's been toned down slightly and no more stone gauntlet, so go nuts

>>96413424
Well no stone gauntlet, phalanx warders are shit, and no more 3++ invulns (Thank god). On the other hand, the legion trait is unchanged and still affects the most common weapons in the game, including the winners of the most improved the autocannons. Dunno honestly, maybe the loss in durability makes it work out.

What are you running on Tarantulas, IW bros?
Heavy Bolters?
Volkite?
Lascannons?

>>96413482
>WAACrantulas

>>96413424
Yes. IF are entirely forgettable this edition which is good. Primarch is 5/10, units are 5/10, traits are 5/10, named characters are 5/10.

TS are the only SSS-tier broken legion in HH3.
Alpha Legion (anti-melee), Raven Guard and Iron Hands (anti-shooting) and White Scars (free super movement) are probably A-tier. World Eaters is opponents aren't playing as anti-melee as possible are A-tier as well (but anti-melee exploits like AL trait, only counterattacking with flying transports, having your good unit in AV14 so WE can't hit it) - but against smart opponents WE probably drop to B-tier average.

Almost everyone else is B-tier.

Then Dark Angels and Word Bearers are the only two in chump tier.

>>96413490
How the fuck is a 45point emplacement WAAC?

>>96413424
* also, it's kinda sad how pathetic Powerfists are for Imperial Fists... their gimmick fist just gets Crit6+ (doesnt work on vehicles) - while a Salamander powerfist gains +1 damage every single attack to units and vehicles instead of only when rolling a 6.

A salamander master sarge actually has chances to full-kill a rhino that tries to drive through his squad. An imperial fister with their namesake Solarite Power Gauntlet has no chances vs the rhino.

>>96413499
Huh, I guess you must really love Tarantulas, you ran them all the time in 2.0 right?

>>96413568
No, because they weren't plastic and I don't like resin for non-characters.
This isn't the gotcha you think it is.

>>96413568
>If something is improved from being unrepentant dogshit it's op

>>96412751
meltabombs have instadeath I thought that can kill vehicles. if it cant then I dont see why they put the rule on them

>>96413602
Even if you were trolling about 2.0 you'd still be wrong, instant death has never affected vehicles

>>96413375
>So no, youre just shitposting
Its almost indistinguishable from flat grey with bright studio lighting. It isn't exactly revolutionary.

>>96412920
What should Death or Glory be like? All the "good antitank" have Armourbane (can't inflict statutes), meaning they pay extra to not engage with the shit Vehicle Damage is now lmao
So try fixing Death or Glory and you'll notice Vehicle Damage and meltabombs are wrong as well

>>96413728
There's nothing to fix because I realize there's nothing wrong with having something leave a vehicle heavily damaged but not destroyed for 1 reaction point and a tactical Sergeant. Not everything has to one shot or completely a vehicle to be useful.

>>96413436
What's the specific broken unit? Effrit?
Lerneans are great but so are a bunch of other elite termie squads, and headhunters are kind of dogshit aside from melta character hunting.
The effrit debuff is pretty crazy but I don't know if I'd call the unit broken

>>96413743
Lerneans are good because they have line, but the broken unit in question are Seekers. They're not AL specific, but AL get Headhunter Leviathal making them the best seeker-spam legion

>>96413436
Headhunters lost 2A.
Daggers now replace a weapon, instead of being extra.
Effrit snipers are still massively overcosted (go on compare them to Mor'Deythan).
Lerneans gained +1WS, but worsened their shooting aim, and Hatred only really works against dreads, who aren't meta anyways.
And Saboteurs got their melee locked to a knife, and their guns (combi-meltaaaa) locked to a shotgun. And their meltabombs can no longer kill even a Rhino.

I'm not sure why people say AL won, but I look at DA, EC, IW and WB and shudder at what "losing" really entails!

>>96413728
There's nothing to fix. Death or glory itself is fine, its the vehicle changes that suck steaming anus.

>>96413741
It's called "Death or GLORY", not "Death or Also Death But At Least That Rhino Lost Some HP Ain't It?", Mr. Sour Grapes Fox.

>>96413764
I am lucky no tummy was shown in this picture

>>96413764
Headhunter leviathal does literally nothing for seekers. It's 2 elite slots with no prime advantages for the elites at all. Only the recons benefit from alpha legion. A regular elites group is 3 elite slots with 1 prime elites slot.

AL seekers are nowhere near as scary as Tzeentch Seekers with +1 WIP prime advantage for WIP9 very reliably casting 5+ Rend on their guns, with Precision4+ and Breaching4+ that any rending 5+s activate automatically to melt even primarchs as if they're made of paper. Or simply buffing themselves to Toughness 6 or 4+++ shrouded, while alpha seekers stay paper.

>>96413809
FRESH BREAD
>>96413809
breado fresco
>>96413809
you leave my seekers alone

>>96412637
'x' to doubt
Unless their prices some how equal the same as FW, no they wont. If i can still get FW casts, for half the cost they are still gonna sell more
Peak GW cock sucking cope if you think otherwise lol.

>>96413815
>I'll be able to get them cheap
Except you won't, retarded fuck. The $80 fee added to each item instantly makes that $30 primarch not half the price of a $128 GW primarch. If I'm gonna pay $110 to a shitty inferior resin china-clone with months shipping time, sketchy payment, unreliable refunds and support or $128 to get the real thing, 100% of the time I'll just buy the real thing.

I don't even like GW at all, they're greedy cocksuckers. But the new important laws are not something a faggot like you can just ignore away.

>>96413838
Yeah they said the same fucking shit last time we had tariffs also this assumes that they are actually selling this shit via a legit store front, which spoiler, they are not. they are just coming across as normal mail packages.

Ill believe it when i see it, but x to doubt.

>>96413851
normal mail packages are currently exempt under $800 - you stupid fucking child - that is what is going away on august 29th.

>>96413856
Again, ill believe it when i fucking see it.
And again, yo uassume they just wont do the same shit other countries do, which is ship it to another country then into the use.

>>96413838
>murican
aylmao.

Also my chinese recaster has better stock than FW, ships things absurdly fast, and has actual quality control unlike FW. They even went so far as to give me a whole bunch of free shit when I told them about some minor issues on some backpacks.

>>96413865
Which country is trump waiving the import duties for?

If he's fucking over all of Europe and Asia I dont think he's going to go easy on third world shitholes

>>96413876
Any way you can share that info? Been looking for a reliable source.