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>>96192862

Check out here for useful links and a catalogue of relevant miniatures retailers:
https://pastebin.com/nnNqqFLn

I'm working on compiling all the RT relevant articles from WD into one document. I'll figure out a way to share it here once I'm done.

Totally dumb, but after some research I managed to find a grotty scan of the first Games Workshop commissioned novel.
After some classic GW fuckery, it got scrubbed of Warhammer references and published as "A Spell of Empire" by Orbit.
I first read about it in this rescued Stephen Baxter article on
https://pariedolia.weebly.com/nimh/oldhammer-lit-101
Which has some great insights into early GW if you are into that sort of thing.
Sill no luck finding scans of the original editions of Ignorant Armies or the Ian Watson books. Would love to see more of the illustrations.

same go file as last thread:
/d/XRKkbB

where can I find the books that have stats of various neutral or unaligned battlefield threats? Things like automated defense systems and planetary flora and fauna. I saw a few of em posted from older warhammer rulebooks I don’t know which ones they came from.

>>96410453

IIRC the original RT rulebook has some of that.

my dark eldar sprues arrived today

>>96411355
Cool! Are you the same anon that scored them dirt cheap in the last thread?

>>96411223
thanks ill look into it

>>96411643

yep. i got a seller offer as well so i might be able to get another ten for around the same price per mini

is there any demand for/existence of an industry of recasting these old sprues? seems a shame to let minis like this die out, especially with how fragile they seemingly are (although gw did rerelease them that one time I guess, although I don't know how much impact that had on supply)

>>96411355
DOPE

We're all groggy, and that's perfectly fine, but what modern 40K thing do you like?
For me, it's Diocletian's descent into the throneroom.

>>96410453
Rogue Trader like the other anon said, and the various creature feature articles from 3rd/4th.

>>96411900
You might could find someone interested in scanning them. There's a bit of an underground for scans of oldhammer stuff.

>>96412704
thanks ill look at it

>>96412145
There's some cool moments in modern 40k, but honestly I feel like most of the lore has been wrong turn after wrong turn.

Writing out the HH in general I think was a bad call. It was better left as this mythical past. Knowing too much about big E and Primarchs ruins the mystique because you get to see them make stupid ass decisions that no one with their supposed capabilities would.

http://www.stunties.com/stunties/index.php?title=Black_Tree_Dwarven_Regiments


What do you guys think about black tree Dwarfs? They seem alright except a few of the slayers arms are too long

>>96411355
These plastics were maligned at the time (or moreso when they were towards the end of their life cycle) but I think they're dope.

nice work lad

>>96415408
DO NOT ORDER FROM BLACK TREE DESIGNS UK

DO NOT ORDER FROM BLACK TREE DESIGNS UK

DO NOT ORDER FROM BLACK TREE DESIGNS UK

Much like Hasslefree Miniatures you have about a 10% chance of ever actually receiving your purchases.

>>96415408
Have you ever ordered anything from Black Tree?
Not sure how much has changed post the July EOE Orbis takeover, but 6 month plus order times was too much for me.

>>96415603
I ordered in 2022. It took 4 months to arrive. The prices have tripled since then though.

>>96412145
The reason that's good though is because, frankly, it doesn't have anything to do with modern 40K. A person who doesn't follow the shitty nufluff could be reading that in a White Dwarf from the 90's and it wouldn't seem out of place. Modern 40K stuff is only good when it's completely indistinguishable from something that might have been written prior to 5th edition - the issue for me is I'm not willing to suffer through the endless, endless pages of nuslop to nuzzle out those few small nuggets of what used to be, and you can't even ask to be directed towards those and away from nuslop because the nuslop-gobblers will act like you've just suggested cooking and eating their newborn child and start screech-shitting at you. Easier to just not bother.

This came today. Mint package and minis. I must admit I am a happy man today.

>>96419212
Nice one anon, do you plan on building them or is this for a collection?

WIP on color blocking some faux grog orks.

>>96419640
Cute little blokes in overalls

Managed to snag a complete dark millennium box for a cheap price. Should be arriving tomorrow morning, cant wait to play some actual 2nd edition on the tabletop for once.

>>96412145
I mostly like genestealer cults and admech. Too bad theyre so expensive points per dollar

What should i choose for 4th edition cityfight or city of death and why?

>>96419556
For now collecting. In the last 2 years I have collected pretty much all of the 2nd edition marines miniatures and lots of RT era plastic and metal marines. The plan is to build a Blood angels army, but it will wait for some future times where there will be a little bit more free time for hobby. Until then I occasionally grab some cool stuff and boxes for goodnprice. This one is one of these.

>>96419212
I think I might have lost that auction to you, damn it. Next time gadget.

>>96423083
Godspeed future builder, glad you#re happy with your purchase

>>96412145
I am quite big fan of numunda, I know some folk don't like it's aesthetic, but I quite like it's lore, I for example enjoy idea of new goliaths being unrelated to old ones, old ones being a house that went extinct and new ones took up the same name (something the books imply) and some old goliaths became new ones....

Also the silly stuff like plate armour wearing muscle bound dudes in a deeply religious area pretending to be almost lord of the rings style orcs. That feels proper RT idea.

>>96415408
I'm still waiting on an order from June 2024. They are a fucking scam

>>96421158
Make sure to spam as many weird psychic templates as possible.

Sup /grog/ just finished my Bile. Wish I had his ugly bodyguards too but they're pretty hard to come by.

>>96408380
Host it on catbox, mega, or gofile and share the link here. Gonna be a long bloody time before(if ever) we can share PDFs natively again. Looking forward to seeing your work complete, it'd be a nice resource to have, for sure!
>>96411355
This looks awesome, anon, very clean.
>>96412145
Honestly I've been so out of the loop, I think the most "modern" thing I liked was the Shield of Baal campaign expansions they did in 6th edition. Always thought it was a pretty cool narrative with Hive Fleet Leviathan threatening and invading the Baal system and targeting the Blood Angels out of unfathomable xenos spite and hatred. Not only did I buy the campaign books but I grabbed the novellas, too, but I seem to have misplaced them? I dunno where those ended up.

>>96428966
That's great anon, good job!

Silly little project, but I had horus kitbashed from old metal abandon in my collection, and though silly means aquired this mephiston originally without a face...so sculpted an ugly greenstuff mug, bought some metal wings and bam, Sanginius in terrible style. Was fun to paint and it's a nice bit of metal overall. Not pretty face, I admit, but it..works on table top. Couldn't replace thet head since it's got the collar and OG owner filled off only half of the face off.

Trying to plan out an edition agnostic DKoK list.
My idea was a company command squad, two platoon command squads, six ten man infantry squads, a ten man grenadier squad aka storm trooper squad, and a handful of combat engineers aka veterans that I can use to make a squad or two of various sizes, and a bunch of heavy stubbers, mortar, and Lascannons teams, and a heavy weapon platoon command squad.
All this supported by three or six teams of artillery crewmen that can be used alongside various carriage drawn artillery, like thudd guns or earthshakers. Maybe a Macharius for armour support that's cool and lore friendly and isn't just another Leman Russ.
Thoughts? I dunno about the death riders, either ten or twenty of them?

>>96434989
Where are your Commisars Anon?

>>96436061
No, I've posted here sometimes about my ambition to make a 40K collection based around the Third Armageddon War.
For commissars, I was thinking of just a handful that all my guard would share, so they wouldn't look like the DKoK commissars even tho they're awesome.

>>96436061
>>96436261
Sorry I misread your post but yeah my plan is to have a pool of regiment agnostic commissars

Need to get myself to more grog events

>>96428966
awesome face

From /hhg/ -
"Rogue Trader era space marines meet something new -- a war troll carrying two space orks on its back. (Vince Pask cover art for Australian Realms magazine no 3, August 1988) This issue includes two articles with unofficial additions to 40K, the war troll and the Skaven, plus material for AD&D, Gamma World, and Rolemaster."

>>96438683
You know you can just link posts through threads right?
>>96438638
>>96438638
And is there an actual scan of the material or just a synopsis and a cover? Because I am all about the dumb stuff like Vulture Warriors from Dimension X.

>>96440897
>is there an actual scan of the material
All issues are on archive dot org

>>96438683
Oh that's cool as hell!

Decided to get off my arse and do some terrain making, first up is some GW kits I've had sitting in my room gathering dust. Making a shanty town bazaar for my idea of a frontier colony terrain set, kind of inspired by Rogue Traders Helsreach, I've even started writing some homebrew fluff for my little corner of the galaxy. I've got some scratch built stuff too, pre-fab and converted shipping container hab blocks and shops, as well as plans for some industrial buildings and shit. I've got a few little ideas for settlement factions and personalities for flavour, this has been some good fun on its own. I'm really looking forward to showing you guys more as I progress.

>>96443387
Here's the big stall I used the rest of the underhive market parts to make. It's gonna be a ratburger stand, this is non negotiable.

>>96438683
Well, looks like these articles will be getting added to my WD Rogue Trader article compliation!

>>96443396
Nice work anon, looking forward to seeing it painted up!

Nice grog haul from the toy soldier shop in Gettysburg. The citadel journal especially because it has the conversion of Last Stand at Glazer's Creek to 3rd ed rules (plus an epic rant from Jervis about how people who only play points values games are knuckle-dragging subhumans).

What edition did chaos space marine havocs become a thing? 3rd?

Played Mordheim this weekend, my squig ate my opponents troll. Hes gained the name Trollchompa but some reports say he exploded shortly after the battle while the boys were pillaging the battlefield for loot.

>>96445224
I believe so... 2nd ed had small, infiltrating vet squads with heavy weapons, but no Devastator equivalent. (iirc, of course).

>>96445332
Mordheim was always good for.... oddities... once had a Zombie armed with a Hochland long-rifle.

>>96410453
Creature Feature in WD for 3rd had creatures and the core rulebook had rules for deathworld terrain

>>96427783
So i should play eldar? Gotcha.

>>96430918
Shield of Baal was early 7th edition.

>>96443542
Are you gonna add Little Sisters of Purgation?

Got myself some more Repentia for my Sisters

Is 40k 3rd edition grog? What are the pros and downsizes of this edition?

>>96414920
BL is very hit and miss, a lot of slop but FW treatment of the Horus heresy with the black books were kino. I am happy they covered it and I love the old power armour marks.

>>96412145
UR-025's internal monologue was very fun to read. Just the faintest glimpse into the machines that brought mankind so low.

>>96448517
At some point my goal is to collate all magazine articles on RT into one document. So yeah. This first pass my focus is on getting all the WD material since it's "official".

Huh I didn't know this existed, Space Marine Assault

>>96450062
>>96450073
Holy soul wtf

>>96450062
>>96450073
I could barely find anything about this on the internet it's crazy, I thought it was like a fever dream or something when I remembered it existing two years ago

>>96448913
Very cool, these mogg the plastics and have so much more soul. Pics of your Sisters of Battle please?

>>96448938
>Is 3e grog
One of several options, yeah.
>pros/cons
It depends on which version you're playing.
OG 3rd, black book-only is extremely limited. Vehicles and close combat were extremely powerful, especially sweeping advances. 3e was the last bastion of Guess-range weapons, which was a perpetual source of skub until 4ee killed them. Walkers always used Front armor in close combat, which made Wraithlords and Dreadnaughts a nightmare for S3 armies; it's why you'll see so many Veterans with melta bombs and dedicated Dread-killer squads in period armies. Over the course of the edition, armies started becoming more and more customizable, and it was kind of a golden age for kitbashers and people into a more narrative playstyle.
The Dark Eldar were the very first 3e Codex and didn't get a codex update during 3rd and 4th edition, which left them kind of a relic. Orks at least got the Armageddon update. In general, 3e codexes have a lot fewer option for customizing your stuff than 4e, but in turn 4e severely neutered close combat options and carved off a lot of wargear that had been more universal in 3e.
The Chapter Approved modifications, AKA 3.5e, are very nearly what they would become in 4e. The Sisters army from the CA books is hilariously overpowered compared to the BBB/White Dwarf or Witch Hunters lists, while the Necrons are a stopgap that's barely more than their old 2e selves. They'd get a massive overhaul later. The Vehicle Design Rules are universally beloved by kitbashers, and also broken as shit.


4e expands on the original Combat Patrol ruleset and fixes a lot of the mechanical issues in 3e, and the codexes from late 3e/early 4e are some of the best of any era if you're into /yourdudes/. Late 4e started the Great Culling of any unit and wargear that didn't already have a model, pivoting hard towards tourneyfagging. 5e is where everyone agrees that /grog/ stops - flyers, Apocalypse, and straightjacket codexes put a bullet in the head of the old game.

>>96452905
>In general, 3e codexes have a lot fewer option for customizing your stuff than 4e
Or rather, the first round of 3e codexes, with the re-issues and the late 3.5 codexes as well as 4e expanding your options a lot

>>96448913

I've always disliked Repentia and would much rather have had official Frateris Militia or full blown Redemptionists in the army list.

Having Sisters who have failed in something be sent or choose to go on a crusade like has happened with various Space Marines would be fine, with only the very best or most blessed surviving. That would mean a table top unit of super veterans with their own high level Sacred Rites/Acts of Faith but with very limited wargear choices.

Instead we got Sisters who devolve so badly that they strip naked, staple scripture to their tits and tongues and fanatically charge the enemy. Oh and if they aren't charging fast enough a non-redemption seeking "Mistress" uses neural whips on them to make them go faster.

Great for Rule34, not so much for the fluff of the army.

>>96453587
Fanatics have rules in WD304.

>>96453587
You can ally in guard as Frat Militia

>>96452905
What makes Sisters so overpowered in CA books specifically? That's the army I'm looking at, I just want to avoid the worst WAAC stuff

I love kit bashing so 3e sounds like a good fit for me

>>96428966
What did the bodyguards look like?

>>96451199
I had something similar with this building kit. Never saw it in a store, only later on ebay.

>>96451973
>Pics of your Sisters of Battle please?
They...aren't painted. I've assembled 30 out of 40 though.
My brother and I are making up plans to play Warhammer 40K 4th edition Invasion, which is a game mode that came to life through Battlefleet Gothic. It's shipboard combat through the various rooms and corridors of a Battle Cruiser and uses expanded squad coherency and in some cases increased lethality to represent close quarters battles. The attacker takes one elite and one troop as their compulsory ForceOrg while the defender gets the usual two troop. From there out, both forces use the rest of the ForceOrg chart to build out their attackers and defenders.
For my Sisters, I want to flood the corridors with Repentia and have my SoBs take up position behind them with storm bolters and flamers. Each room uses the "close confines" rules so you use Cityfight Rules, no weapon of strength 7 or higher can be fire in rooms near the hull, the density of terrain in a battlecruiser gives everyone a 6++ etc

It's gonna be a blast.

>>96456694
where are the rules to this?

>>96456811
kerlin dot de/pic/w40koldhammer/nebensysteme/gothic/BattlefleetGothicInvasion dot pdf

You'll probably need the Cityfight book too.

>>96457560
thank you very much!

>>96456547
Another anon, but guard are too good, you want something more shit for them, like people who don't get proper guns even.

>>96419212
these boys are about to go fight a 2nd edition zoanthrope
forgot to quote because I'm a retard

I did a little more work on some of my projects so far this week, I recomposed a terrain piece I started last year for an outlaw frontier colony set(I shared some pics of the market and scatter I made earlier) and got my terminators caught up for mt Retro40k Blood Angels. The Blood Angels infantry should have their armour all done today and then I can get on with their details, squad markings, insignia, honour markings, all that fun stuff.

Here's some pics, first ia the reconposed building, this will be a nice mid-sized LoS blocker. It's Tino's Bar and Brothel, on the edge of the docker district. Built from recovered bulk freighter cargo containers, and cheap prefabs the colonial council was gonna scrap. I plan to have some warehouse and industrial pieces to go along with this as well as some other cheap looking vice businesses(bars, gambling dens, and dodgey food vendors) to mix together to sell the look od the district. This whole project is growing way out of the scope I jad planned before, but it's pretty fun to do so I'm not too worried atm, I've got the storage space to handle it for now.

>>96459175
What was in the Dark Legion box in the background?

>>96459175
And another view of Tino's. I've been scribbling some fluff for this colony and it's star system, kinda want it to be my own Helsreach from RT, you know? A little playground to throw things together and justify it.

>>96456563
>What makes Sisters so overpowered in CA books specifically? That's the army I'm looking at, I just want to avoid the worst WAAC stuff
The new style of Acts of Faith and the bonuses it game (Witch Hunters toned them down a LOT), plus the ability to make a command squad in a 10-man transport with a Priest, a Canoness, and SIX squaddie models with full armory/wargear access. The second game we tried out a unit of Chosen of Khorne were sprinting around the battlefield screaming like little girls while the Sisters chased them to the dulcet strains of the Imperial hymn "Yakkity Sax", after violently raping multiple squads of Berzerkers in the first three turns. If you had a Repressor (I converted one) that goes up to 12 models. There's a reason there are so many restrictions on wargear in the WH dex and the CA one is very much why.
CA is also when we finally got the Exorcist and the Multimelta Immolator, which were extremely useful now that you could move and fire the main guns on a tank. So you could Tank Shock the corner of a unit, park the tank in a way that forced them to bunch up, pop the hatch and drop a heavy flamer and regular flamer shot from the passengers, plus whatever was in the turret. It made for some.. interesting games, let's put it that way. Partly balanced in that the only usable long-range anti-tank in the entire army was Superkrak missiles and the Exorcists, which were of course Public Enemy #1.

>>96453587
>>96458085
There are actually grog-era rules for Frateris. Before the White Dwarf article came out, a lot of us Sisters players used the Hive Gang Militia from the Armageddon codex. The Chapter Approved (2002) version has FM as "Redemptionists" that effectively use the same rules with a tweak for underbarrel flamers. For the Witch Hunters 'dex there was a White Dwarf article with Frateris as well as the option for Inquisitorial Guard and Stormtroopers.

>>96459187
That was my box of acolytes, those have sadly been sitting around not being painted for a few years now, but I've got good reason to start painting them now with this whole terrain and worldbuilding project, a local cult of crazies and their mystic leader would be a fun one to throw into a battle as a mid game NPC force.

Next up is the start of some low income housing, poor as shit single occpant pod houses that are naturally packed to the brim with families, yoghurt pots and some other bits and pieces to add some visual interest.

>>96459240
Just enough room for models to move single file between the habs and an open middle for close combat or some other kind of structure to sit in as scatter for more cover.

>>96459268
Lasty my terminators, they're nice and red now, and will be slightly redder later today after I get home from work.

>>96459283
The 2e plastic terminators may be stiff as a board, but I've come to find them to be charming on their own, maybe I've just come to appreciate the simplicity of them after all the years of watching things get blinged the fuck out.

>PPWAR
Yes, captcha, yes indeed.

>>96459283
Why on earth would you put them on those bases? Terrible thing, lipped bases.

>>96459309
Fuck you, they're wonderfully aesthetic.

>>96459309
This.

>>96456636
Yo quiero Taco Bell

Skwots.

>>96459692
Wicked

So weird to be watching a Minisodes episode and hear a shoutout to Iron Snakes guy, even weirder to then see him shilling for Doctor Spork who've I've interacted with. Oldhammer community is small even online.

>>96460383
For as enthusiastic as it is we really could fit comfortably into a decently sized convention centre. And that number only shrinks as the retiree portion ages up and dies. I'd be surprises if there were more than 2000 of us out and about, desu.

We have to go back

>>96456636
I didn't know they sold these as their own package either wtf

>>96459322
nta but ugly bases indeed, abomination

>>96459231
Woah wild stuff

>>96461614
They did a WFB one too...

I don't think either were about for long.

>>96461294
Peak

So those Aus Realms magazines were pretty cool. Good scans and some really wild articles on all your favorite old systems.
Thanks for the heads up.

Mordheimers, I'm about to come into possession of a number of classic WHFB minis the original owner bought for Mordheim and some Mordheim minis.
Is is more acceptable to base everyone on square or 25mm round bases?

>>96408299 (OP)
starting a readthrough of the Rogue Trader era of White Dwarf(which at least according to Lexicanum should be issues 93 to 165, though I wouldn't be too surprised if an article or two relevant to RT showed up past 165), and it was interesting to see in issue 94 that apparently Rogue Trader as a concept actually preceded Warhammer Fantasy, they just went with the latter first because well obviously it made more sense to start off with a fantasy focused game since that was right in the midst of the D&D boom of the early 80's, though obviously by the time Rogue Trader became an actual game in 1987 it had evolved into the beginnings of Warhammer 40k as we know it

also looking through my copy of Rogue Trader, the original take on the Tyranids are definitely quite different from what they'd become by 2nd Edition, Rogue Trader treats them more like a conventional(if incredibly weird) race, some of that more individualistic nature would of course get funneled off to the Genestealers once the connections between the Tyranids and Genestealers got solidified(even if Genestealer Cults as a concept took a backburner for a long time) but still interesting to see where they started(especially when compared to the Imperium, Orks, and Eldar who were all fairly recognizable compared to their modern incarnations from the get-go)

>>96470048
'Rogue Trader' is a weird one. Originally it was publicized as going to be a set of space-ship and boarding rules... but they eventually gave up on releasing that game. The fans never got that message, and kept pestering them for a solid release date... so they just slapped the title on their sci-fi ruleset to shut people up (iirc).

The RT Genestealer Cult lists are in the RT Compilation, and the Chaos Genestealer Cults in an issue of WD... I think. Though, like many more obscure RT Lists, I don't Know how much use they ever got.

>>96470379
>'Rogue Trader' is a weird one. Originally it was publicized as going to be a set of space-ship and boarding rules... but they eventually gave up on releasing that game. The fans never got that message, and kept pestering them for a solid release date... so they just slapped the title on their sci-fi ruleset to shut people up (iirc).
which makes it a bit ironic that one of the most iconic things about 40k ended up being Space Hulk which is tied pretty closely to what that original concept would have been

>The RT Genestealer Cult lists are in the RT Compilation, and the Chaos Genestealer Cults in an issue of WD... I think. Though, like many more obscure RT Lists, I don't Know how much use they ever got.
there's also an entry for Ork-Hybrid Genestealers in the Freebooterz book, which is definitely one of those concepts that doesn't quite line up with modern lore(can't recall when they started doing the "Orks grow from spores like mushrooms" thing) even though I don't think it ever got officially decanonized(kind of like how Chaos Orks are mostly nonexistent in the modern lore but still technically exist)

kinda makes one wonder how Rogue Trader era versions of later factions like the Dark Eldar, Necrons, and Tau would be like(most of the other additions from later editions are basically just expansions upon concepts already present in the RT era rather than being new concepts like those three*)

*well okay sure evil Eldar was nothing new as a basic concept and the Necron were visually derived from one of the more popular Chaos Android designs, but both ended up antagonist factions that helped fill out that niche outside of the big three of Chaos, Orks, and Tyranids, much like Tau did for the "Order" side beyond the Imperium, and Craftworld Eldar(especially after the Squats got well Squatted)

>>96470486
Freebooterz was a bit of an odd one. Some of the units in that book require another 5+ rulebooks to use. Great fun though (even if some of the units had too low an Int stat to use the weapons they started with)!

There are rules in the RT Rulebook for stat-fiddling infantry, and making your own vehicles, so it's certainly possible to make rules for later factions, though they may lack the special faction rules that later editions loved to hand out. You'd have to decide if you wanted your Necrons to act like robots/vehicles or conventional units though.

>>96470597
I'd honestly make all Necrons but the self-aware one function like robots, with the most senior ones able to adjust programming in a limited fashion. Desroyers would be vees using the Robot rules for extra giggles.
>>96470486
>Dark Eldar
Hinted at briefly in RT and sort of implied to be the RT-era Corsair Eldar operating out of their own Tortuga when they show up in 3e
>Tau
There's room for them but I'd probably tie them into the Enslaver fluff instead of the Eldar/Necron War in Heaven.

>>96470597
>There are rules in the RT Rulebook for stat-fiddling infantry, and making your own vehicles, so it's certainly possible to make rules for later factions
true at minimum would just need to create baseline stat lines for Tau and Necrons(Dark Eldar one could probably get away with just using the existing RT Eldar statlines, much like if you were to do Votann you'd probably just use Squat stats)

>though they may lack the special faction rules that later editions loved to hand out
also true though I imagine it wouldn't be too hard to backport some of those as needed

>You'd have to decide if you wanted your Necrons to act like robots/vehicles or conventional units though.
yet another thing to sort out, though I could see them being a mix of both(much like how core RT Tyranids make use of the regular equipment and vehicle rules just fluffed to fit their biotech niche)

>>96470648
>core RT Tyranids make use of the regular equipment and vehicle rules just fluffed to fit their biotech niche

This varies, depending on whether you use the Vehicle Manual rules or not (and the only Nid 'Vehicle' they ever released a datafax for was the Screamer Killer Carnifex). The Tryanids list (In White Dwarf 145) actually had a monster stat-line for them instead, so you can happily live without the vehicle layout plans and Perspex targeting matrix, if you want to.

The only lists really stuck with the Vehicle Manual rules are the later Ork ones, the Space Wolves list and... the Knornate Ravagers (because of the Wheelchair of doom). And, even then, I don't think robots ever got a targeting card (weird, considering that a Nid unit did).

>>96470597
It wouldn't be hard to make statlines for anything with RT's core book.

One of these days I'd like to tackle a RT Battle Bible, so all the scattered rules are in one spot. Though you end up with oddities like the original vehicle rules being superseded with stuff released in WD. Honestly you almost have two different games with RT, corebook only RT which is fairly self contained and RT+ where all the WD material gets added in.

>>96470048
I play in a large campaign and it really doesn't seem to matter, a lot of people use modern minis on bigger circles, some 25mm circles and some squares. I personally use my WHFB army so i use 20mm and 25mm squares for normal stuff and 40mm for monster.

>>96473508
Meant for >>96468834
my bad

>>96470379
>The RT Genestealer Cult lists are in the RT Compilation, and the Chaos Genestealer Cults in an issue of WD...
All Genestealer Cults are Chaotic, they're called Genestealer Covens if they aren't.

>>96474470
>Covens
*Clans

>>96470788
mind you when I said "Core RT" I meant specifically if using only the core Rogue Trader book but I get what you mean once we go into the supplements and WD material

>>96482099
Amazing

>>96411355
Hey I'm doing that scheme too!

I've more or less ignored GW since getting back into wagaming, just doing fairly generic sci fi and fantasy skirmish and some historical stuff.

Had a brief look at 10th and as ever the models are too complex and pricey and the rules just donxt ever seem to stabilise.

Imagine how pleased I was to find 40k second and third in PDF...I will probably hunt around for WHFB 4th and 5th because they coincided with my hobby way back when.

For those of us who don't want to oay premium on old models, are there any STL designers out there who do a good, old school adjacent range? Doesn't have to be specialised, just basic foot is a good starting point

>>96484574
There's scans of most of the old models at that. Just need telegram and some patience. No reason not to just print the old stuff if you already are already 3DP.
There are few current digital sculptors that capture some of the old school feeling but they are pretty rare. Most are pretty sterile cad sculptors.

>>96484830
>There are few current digital sculptors that capture some of the old school feeling but they are pretty rare.

New takes on old things are kinda interesting but I'll settle for the 2nd ed box and some Eldar.

Roughly around 60 percent done with my project to collate all the WD RT articles in one document. Got some third party magazine stuff going in as well. Hoping to have it done by Monday night!

>>96484886
Waiting for this anon, as this feel like fun project to play with

>>96412145
I liked buying stuff for each individual sword brethren attached to my crusader squads. It felt like they were truly "my guys". I even painted names on their bases: Weisshelm, Parscifal, and Tannhauser

>>96443396
I have some street judges I kitbashed from some metal scouts, and early 2000s plastic scouts, along with 3rd party executioner bits from puppetswar. I was keeping them around for Palladium rifts games, but now I'm gonna look into necromunda.

>>96448938
Just play 4th. It has all the FAQs and rules updates to 3rd

Predator that will be used for HH, thought I could post it here

£10 for six Prince August moulds and some miniatures cast from them. Do I buy?

>>96485217
Looking good lad, rails are intact as well. All original parts?

I have like four but they're all knackered, the main chassis got squashed in the post from Sweden to the UK years ago

>>96485500
It depends if you like casting. £10 for six fantasy moulds is a good deal if they aren't completely worn out. Bear in mind that a lot of the figures are the old "true 25mm" scale. So they match pre-slotta citadel, ral partha etc, but will look small next to 4th Edition Fantasy minis and beyond.

Got a bunch of og storm troopers, and a couple steel legion I've had since 7th grade. Probably gonna paint them up. Where's the best place in the Midwest for grog, whether it's to buy/sell or get games in? I don't have social media

>>96487042
35 or so storm troopers. Tried stripping the paint 5 years ago. I was thinking about painting them as steel legion with gulf war style desert camo

Kommandoz I'm working on.

I know that posting pics of purchases in a low effort content but getting all three of this books in foil made me very happy. I have read Realm of Chaos scans like 120 times so having physical copies feels like a dream.

>>96487223
Nice lad, trip to Warhammer World or one of the cafés?

>>96485505
I got the rails some time ago in an old vehicles batch of bits, it's grey plastic sadly, but OK, I will not be cocky about it :) Sad to hear about your predator, it's a shame that auch cool and old model is broken in postage :/ I have another one that is overall in better shape, the rails broken on one point, but pretty fixable. Even the antennas on the cupola is intact. But this one will go for my 2nd ed 40k .Blood Amgels army.

>>96487223
Baller. Is Rogue Trader an original or one of the reprints?

Are there rules/models for these, or was it just a concept? I need 40k lizardmen

>>96487707
What a funky looking guy

>>96487253
They're all wrapped, so I'm guessing Warhammer World re-prints, which is a good thing. I have a couple of original copies of the main RT Rulebook, and the glue holding the pages in has (long ago) died on both. Might get a re-print myself for ease of reading.

>>96487707
In rogue trader main rulebook slann were present, that's where most of their lore is. I run a lizard people army a lot and OG slann had similar stats to orks so I sometimes run em as orks.
For models, you can get a few options from third party as well as OG space slann recasts.

I myself use lancer miniatures space lizards, they are nice old school metal minis and while not best scults, are quite fun.

>>96487795
>which is a good thing
Agreed. Glad you got it all the same anon, it's a marvelous tome.

>>96487707
There are rules AND models for Space Slaan in the RT book. They never really took off - the stats were weak and the models kinda similar to the WFB ones, but with guns.

>>96487851
Oh... I've got... all 13 of the 1st ed rulebooks. Picked up my first copy of RT when I was 10 or 11 - only for all my friends to decide that computer games were more fun. Then took another 34 years to complete the collection, though I was helped by the books being fairly cheap in the 90's and 00's due to GW's "all previous editions are inferior" sales tactics.

In hindsight I'd have been better off spending my money on loose women and drugs, but it's a bit late to decide that now.

>>96487854
This is what I need

>>96487854
Knightmare got one chaos slann it's great model got it myself, and someone else in U.K made some nice space frogs for this type of stuff...

I like Space Slann

This guy was a Lead & Steel event miniature

>>96487898
That collection is fucking sick, nice one

>>96488404
>Lead & Steel event
Always wanted to attend one of these but I'm afraid of going outside, so that sucks lol

>>96488404
Seems like there's more stuff for oldhammer everywhere except where I'm at...

>>96487241
>>96487253
Warhammer Store in Akihabara. I was really surprised to see those books there.

>>96488592
>Akihabara
Well damn, that's unexpected. Hope you enjoyed the trip anon

>>96487223
Love it, these are the best books GW ever made, you've got a lifetime worth of excellent games wrapped up in there. If you're serious about playing R.O.C. regularly like I am, my best advice it to use the Narrative Scenario Generator starting on page 61 going through page 72 in Lost and the Damned to generate objectives for your games. It's often fun to just line the guys up and let their different mutations do the talking as you smash it out in a classic style of warhammer fantasy battle, but the game really shines when you have one warband disguised as nuns to rescue their champion as he's marched to the gallows, while the enemy warband disguises themselves as the dungeon guards so they can loot the treasury on their way to try and kill the captured champion themselves to bring glory to their vile god. The game spirals further into chaos when you have a group of bounty hunters show up on the trail of the second champion and release all the prisoners from the sells to conceal their ambush.

As a bonus, these secondary objectives also provide an opportunity to earn more rewards and mutations more quickly which is really the most satisfying part of the game, building horrible & absurd mutants with which to menace the darkened corners of the old world.

Here's an old-school style photo of the khornate warband I'm currently running taken with my black plastic brick of a phone with clicking buttons, captured during my last game of 3rd edition WHFB. The warband is comprised of original Realm of Chaos era figures I've collected, some non-citadel figures of the same vintage, and a few that I've sculpted and cast myself.

Absolute kino

What is the base size and rough height of a 2e/3e Ork dread? I have a hankering to make a retro army and want to scratchbuild a dread out of junk.

>>96494193
3rd edition ork dreadnought base size is 60mm

>>96494193

55-60mm tall with the feet the same from outside toe to outside toe.

This is a 2nd edition one on a 5mm grid.

For base size there was a lot of variation. They didn't come with a base during 2nd and maybe early 3rd so if you did see them based they were often put on 50mm square or at an angle on 40mm square bases cause those were easy to get, then you had a few people making their own base that was just big enough to fit the model on. Even after the 60mm round base became a thing you had a lot of people who didn't bother rebasing their old ones.

>>96494193
~53mm to top of can, ~95mm to top of banner pole on the 2nd edition metal one. 60mm round base.
I don't have the third edition one, but it's 10-20mm taller and completely fills out a 60mm base to the point of toes hanging off.

>>96496238
>>96495193
>>96496344
Thanks homies. I'm going to make one with a pill bottle body or something. I'll be searching the dollar stores tomorrow.

>>96496576
Kinder surprise egg capsules would be a cute hybrid between 1st-2nd edition shapes.

>>96496859
Egg?

>>96499649
Brilliant egg.

I don't know which thread to ask, this one seemed fitting so:
Do recasters of old stuff exist? I assume yes, but I only recently got into the hobby and the recasters I've found so far are mostly doing current GW stuff. And I wanna get 3rd ed guards, only found stls of Tallarn so far. So I don't know if I should keep looking at all.

>>96501374
Yes. To the point that scanners buy recasts of hard to find old models. It's all out there. Good luck on your journey.

>>96502104
Awesome. To be fair it would have been weird to not have someone "claiming" this market