Thread 96411992

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>Previously
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>TQ
What artwork did you wish got a better card?

>>96411992 (OP)
The obvious

>>96411992 (OP)
Are you ready anons? Is your anus prepared?

>>96412165
Premodern is for brown people

>>96411992 (OP)
>TQ
about half of the original kamigawa block

It got powercrept by another insect

>>96412056
why lately everything on nulorwyn looks gay and sissy to me? i don’t want them to ruin the set…

>>96412328
The races got humanized.

>>96412328
because it is sanitezed and done by feminists and furries.
Kitsumes from Kamigawa were like aliens with fox ears and then after the return they changed their design to have the kitsume be furries...

>>96412328
The Kithkin were the only ones given their Shadowmoor form as it is less creepy.

>>96412372
Those are still acceptable, lorwyn elves but without the stylish art style and a more "realist" look (but some of those elves are fat imo).

BTW lorwyn elves do not live more than 100 years. If new lorwyn have any of the old elves still alive (outside of Maralen) then it is bullshit and will be another case of ""High paid"" wotc employee who can't bother to read 3 books....

So the most popular version of Spiderman (OG movie one) actually owned Magic cards and a box of some old set was shown in his room in Spiderman 1.
Did WotC ever refrence it or was the only link between MtG and Spiderman compleatly forgotten in time for this awful crossover?

any new ATLA spoilers?

>>96412518
That is not polished bronze. Put yellow and a bit of white on the darkest parts and then it looks more like PB.

>>96412646
>thats not polished bronze!
>polished bronze is very specifically (these 8 colors that aren't the same)

Kaldheim looks like it was a fun set
>tfw missed ice age 2.0
:(

Imagine posting in the splitter thread, pathetic

Real thread is here:
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>>96412759
Isn't the other thread the splitter thread because it was just made in spite of the fact that the original new thread was made too early?

>>96412785
The lengths that thread splitters will go to justify their actions are truly pathetic.

Mark, just shut the fuck up and go post in the /mtg/ general with your big nose as the picture until it hits bump lock like a man.

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>>96412759
>Faggit thread
No thanks I will stay here

>>96412816
>Faggit thread
Since when is Mark a gayboy?

>>96412785
Yup

gonna keep using this thread, thanks for asking.

>>96412785
Dude's been trying to shill his thread for the past week.

Would be really funny if they went with the ally type as a nod to the original ATLA card game

>>96412841
>>96412849
>>96412868
I can tell you're all shills (or worse, commander players) because the game is completely unplayable right now thanks to Vivi in not one but two of the game's formats, including the premier format of Standard.

didn't ask, don't care. Going to keep using this thread and keep drafting even if this set is kinda stinky.

>>96412887
>drafting even if this set is kinda stinky.
Nobody has drafted in paper since they killed draft boosters, why are you lying anon?

>>96412759
im posting in both tho

>>96412878
If cat oven could be banned for being annoying as shit then Vivi should be banned simply because durdle kikes take forever to end their turn producing 20 Izzet mana on turn 4

>>96412903
who said anything about paper

>>96412919
GET BACK TO YOUR CONTAINMENT THREAD, ARENA SCUM!
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>>96412928
why would you link me to a thread about south american transgenders when I want to discuss MTG

>>96412934
why would you want to discuss MTG if you don't play it, aside from paid shilling I mean

>>96412951
I bet I have more physical pre-modern cards in my direct possession than you do. Don't talk down to me.

I am of the opinion that Wizards made an enormous mistake by cementing the casual application of colorless mana in spells. This disregard toward color identity has led to the unstoppable tide of multicolored decks out performing mono colored decks. The solution while simple should have been implemented decades ago, simply that all spells should gravitate towards costs such as WW say for disenchant or GG for a grizzly bear. We are seeing Wizard's folly play out in casual formats such as commander. I wish the best for you and please do not allow Wizards to content itself upon their imprudence.

>>96412983
Did you just s-s-sa-say premodern?

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
45 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71875&f=PREM
40 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71540&f=PREM
81 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71249&f=PREM
107 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71247&f=PREM
60 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71452&f=PREM
50 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=67416&f=PREM
52 players

Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96412983
>pre-modern
but seriously though, how is life in a Brazilian favela? yall still got that one femboy on the bike?

>>96413033
I'm not the favela child, they responded to me in the other post.

Premodern is a format not only fake but also for poors and South American people, stop trying to shill it.

>>96412499
The crossover is only really about Spider-Man comics. Movies will probably give an idea of things that might be in due to mainsteam popularity, but specific movie references aren't really gonna be there. So... No, probably not. I'm also fairly sure that's a minor detail most people aren't even aware of. Just a general way to sell "Peter Parker is a nerd".

>>96412507
No, it's done its first look, we're not getting anything until previews start for it.

>>96411992 (OP)
Have any of you built party decks?
Cards like pic are pretty neat and I want to play around with them more

You think any card of Spider-Man set will be appealing/interesting or everything will be like the same slop we have seen for now?

>>96413179
I like the Jameson one well enough. It's not really all that good, but I just think it's a pretty solid way to make Jameson and it's the first card apart from Kraven's Last Hunt that feels very 'correct' for the thing it's representing.

>>96412472
How long ago did the events of OG Lorwyn happen?

>>96413178
I have and here are the flaws with the deck.
Most Party cards are only worth it if you have a full party and are underwhelming other.
Getting 4 differently typed creatures to stay on board is difficult.
It would have been better if the threshold was 3 party members.

>>96413205
I believe it's approximately 40-odd years ago in-universe, though the only real point of comparison we have is Nissa planeswalked there as her first walk (and she mentions it being two score years ago during the Kaladesh block story) and that seemed to be before the events of the Lorwyn block story because the Aurora was still happening. So post-Mending, but relatively early into it.

>>96413205
Currently 43 years ago.
We left Lorwyn in 4521 and it is currently 4564.

>>96411992 (OP)
Question in physical card game. Let's say I successfully played picrel combo.
Am I expected to go through the motions like
>tap
>add token
>untap
>repeat

Or can I just go "let's not waste time and just add 2,000 tokens lmaoooo"

>>96413271
If you've demonstrated a loop you are allowed to shortcut it and say "I do this X times".

>>96413178
Only for Commander. It's too gimmicky for 60 card decks.

>>96413271
>Or can I just go "let's not waste time and just add 2,000 tokens lmaoooo"
yes, I believe that the only restriction is that you gotta name an actual number, you can't say "infinite", I usually go with 1 billion just to be safe

I've never played this game but am interested in it after watching some youtube tutorial and going to a convention which offered a tournament. I have 0 cards and 0 experience with any trading card games since I was 10 when I played yugioh.
I am interested in Innistrad since I like Bloodborne (It was apparently the inspiration for it.)
What is the easiest, most cost efficient way to having fun, given the circumstances?

>>96413230
>>96413256
So that one Anon was wrong, some characters from OG Lorwyn could plausibly still be alive.

>>96413362
Yeah, probably. Dunno if we'll see too many returning names, but probably some at least.

An inauspicious omen

>>96413362
>>96413368
I hope that Wort is still alive and her title has changed from Auntie to Grandmother.

>>96413389
Ultimate Spider-Man is one of the few good books Bendis has written and it's also one of my favorite Spider-Man runs, so I'm fine with this.

>>96413389
Oh shit…

>>96413389
Ultimate Spider-Man was good though. I am surprised given MaRo's age that his answer wasn't an older writer though.

>>96413389
Reminder Mark's singular favourite comic is Invincible. The Invincible show is pretty good. The comic is... Of its time.
It is VERY weird to imagine Mark reading the scene where the protagonist, also named Mark, gets raped, though.

>>96413349
>coop
>conad

tfw no GS, no Sidis, no Eurospin

>>96413389
At least it wasn't superior spiderman

>>96413431
Would you really be surprised if Mark got raped

I luv my wife.

>>96413610
>the text on her
I have bad news for you dawg

>>96413610
They call me Haller of the Cunt

>>96413368
On Lorwyn elves live 30-40 years, fairies live super short lives.

I can't wait for revoke.

>>96411992 (OP)
I feel like you could make this card into a meme.

>>96413748
Seems balanced.

>>96413649
nta but i genuinely have no idea what you're trying to imply
what bad news

>>96412869
they went with the ally type because the entire show is about finding allies

>>96412056
I'm praying Spiderman flops hard that the Avengers set is scrapped.

>Guy behind Dragonstorm is behind Lorwyn Eclipsed
Will the art be good considering Tarkir Dragonstorm had a ton of female cards that looked attractive?

>>96413714
A hundred generations in elven years is 1335 years. In human years it's 3000 years.

>>96413804
It will be moved to Alchemy with the other art the art director doesn't want in paper.

>>96413349
Commander
It's a more casual format, singleton with 100 card minimum decks so you get exposure to the card pool the most. Innistrad isn't legal in standard format anyway, so if you wanted to play it you'd either play commander or modern/legacy/vintage. A new player definitively doesn't want to play the last 3. You could try looking up some commander format rules as well as general MTG ones. Then look through legendaries from the innistrad block for a commander.

>>96413349
play arena until you have a basic understanding of the game and then go play draft

MTG arena is actually only missing a few cards from having all of competitive modern (cards that have shown up in decks that are more than 1% of the meta game lately). It’s around 30 cards

They should probably add them and create a queue for pseudo-modern (name it whatever)

>>96413955
they wouldn't be able to stop themselves from letting the alchemy slop be legal.

>>96413955
They would just call it modern, they did the same thing with pioneer.

>>96413362
Elves life spawns are like 60 years I think, have to reread the books & articles to be sure tho.

>>96413714
Oh, perhaps it is it. Yeah, they were short lived from what I remember.
>>96413818
Giants and Treants/treefolfs could live really long lives. Colfenor had seen many auroras before the interval started to shorten. And it was somewhat rare for the normal races to ever see 2 auroras in their life spawn.

>>96413955
>MTG arena is actually only missing a few cards from having all of competitive modern (cards that have shown up in decks that are more than 1% of the meta game lately). It’s around 30 cards
what you're describing here is a format for grinders, they already have that well established in paper when RCQ season comes around and on MTGO when it doesn't
nobody, and I mean nobody, wants to play even more boros energy mirrors on arena, if they're not gonna bother adding all the cards, there's zero purpose to include """""tournament""""" modern on arena

if you're desperate to play MH block constructed onlin, historic and timeless are what you're going to get like it or not

I wonder if Lorwyn will see the return of UB Faeries in standard. It already got a good package in Eldraine, this could push it to over the edge

>>96414124
A Bitterblossom reprint would get people hyped. I'm hoping for a successor to Vendilion Clique.

>>96413431
The show is shit though. Only the first season is decent.

>>96412222
Do they not like bushido because they are faggots or is there a mechanical reason?

>>96413271
You have to have 2000 tokens or I’ll throw your cards at you and chase you out of the store.

>>96414346
Probably because they think it is racist. Liberals also hate the use of Banzai for a similar reason.

>>96414124
I took a standard list to diamond fairly easily. The removal + counter package is actually pretty good.

I think if you got a faerie as good as siren you’d probably be set. Sleepy fae sort of does what you want… it’s sticky to enable fae spells, but the 3 counter turn on is a pain in the ass if it gets bounced.

Basically just need some tech as good as the mermaid/beastbinder shit on a faerie and Dimir will switch to it. Something that makes a token would be kino

>>96414398
That’s cool. I like it because I think it’s racist.

Will [[Anti-Venom, Horrifying Healer]] make for a good mono white commander?

>>96414251
Oh actually that would be sick. That and a borrower reprint

>>96414346
it sucks. it's not a popular mechanic.

>>96413822
So ugly cards go to Alchemy?

>Avatar has no Commander sets
Why when players only play Commander now? You'll never see anyone play anything else.

>>96414827
WotC is still coping and trying to salvage Arena.

>>96411992 (OP)
God, amonkhet was peak

>>96413966
>>96414119
Alchemy is a trash and a failure for everyone that actually is not a faggot or a HS addict. No one likes it and is wholely disliked by anyone that ever played real Magic.

Is time to let it go. The introduction of Modern lite format would be a step in the right direction.

>>96414881
I've played quite a bit of hearthstone and still dislike alchemy

It's time to bring positional mechanics into mtg.

>>96414902
it’s time to let me put trap cards into my opponent deck. mtg needs new mechanics.

they can try to turn Magic into Hearthstone all they want. The only things hearthstone really has going for it is guarenteed mana without any flood or screw, and that your opponent can't hold priority on your turn- two things that Wotc will never do.

>>96414939
how could the land problem be solved? maybe with some new rule regardless mana? like “discard a card search for a land”?

>>96414866
>Return to Amonkhet fully
>Everyone is now black
Didn't that happen in the cards in Aetherdrift with Amonkhet?

>>96415014
I'm not doing your job for you JOTC employee

>>96415014
>let's let any creature self entomb so we can allow players to run shitty manabases and never be punished for running 6 colours
No
Kill yourself

>>96415014
Every card is now an MDFC with land on backside.
Refuse to ban any Oops All Spell cards for 5 years because it would mean admitting you made a mistake.
Ban Charbelcher and call it a day before painting Balustrade Spy into Standard.

>>96411992 (OP)
What's the best event to convert Gold coins to gems for a beginner Standard player?

There's a Standard event, gives less rewards than the Premium Draft event, but also has a lower cost of entry and I would be more at my element, using a deck I'm already familiar with.

>>96412056
Only 7 sets per year? Haven’t those retarded Jews figured out there’s 12 months in a year not 7.

>>96413033
He's a Nepo baby.
Favelados play pauper and cave his skull in.

>>96415349
>Now
We love our masc tribbies gape king here

>>96415407
The goyim, it's the goyim who can't count!
Oy vey, g-d knows I am trying to give you more product!
Follow blogatog for more news.

>>96415014
What problem?
Mana screw is an intentional design of the game

>>96412056
>>96412404
I know I'm not gonna be happy once the aesthetic changes they've made have been fully realized during First Look (or whatever it's called). If they have treatments that make the cards look a lot like what they used to look like then I'll be partially willing to forgive them.

>bought an MTG product after quitting almost decade ago
>picked a bloomburrow fat pack cause I thought the animals and thems were cute
>fewer lands, no booklet, no paper deck boxes, no poster
>EVERY fucking pack comes with a foil
>the lands are full art and some of them are foil too for some reason
>notable pulls were a Fountainport which is 15 USD on tcgplayer for some reason, a season of gathering, a foil Azure beastbinder and Hugs

I probably just should've bought singles but at least the box and d20 are cute and pack opening was fun. I'm trying to make an Otter/instant and sorcery themed EDH deck with either Melek or Alania as the commander so I'm shopping for singles now and got a couple at the LGS.

It begs the question, what's the appeal of fat packs nowadays?

figured this would be the place to ask.
i recently started playing MtG, thanks to the introduction of FinalFantasy, i was always a huge fan of FF specially 8 and was curious about MtG. the merge of IPs made it easier to join you guys.

with all that said and me spending the last weeks going through every set in search of cool art cards and effects i am left with mainly one question.

who is the strongest entity in MtG? lore wise that is.
i see flavour text refering to many powerful characters, dont know yet if they all have cards but lore wise, for the sake of simplicity if you will, whos the strongest in the multiverse, ever?

thank you.

>>96415699
Probably the Ur-Dragon, followed by Yawgmoth.

>>96415699
this post reeks of mexican DBZ power scaling masturbation, jorge

>>96413187
Jameson can kill a bear? Damn

>>96415699
o-kagashi is the most powerful lorewise.

>>96415808
brazilian detected!!!!

>>96411992 (OP)
>finally make a new edh deck I enjoy after 3 failed ones
>none of my friends are in an edh mood anymore
See you in two years I guess.

>>96413187
>>96413748
the mechanic keyword salad is becoming ridiculous
"untap convoke" sounds like a C++ function declaration
some card descriptions are 90% the equivalent of wikipedia blue links
and when a card doesn't have three new mechanics, it just has 7 lines of text with unique one-off rules

>>96415808
O-Kagachi literally lost to Kyodai.

Most of the art I liked in Duskmourne is on cards that won't see any play ever.

>>96411992 (OP)
magicfriends, I have a ruling question.
If I have Wilhelt Rotcleaver, Poppet Factory, and Altar of Dementia, I can infinitely sac a zombie, make someone mil, and then I get the zombie back, so infinite win combo.
But if someone has an eldrazi titan, it'll make them shuffle their grave into their deck.
Since I can infinitely redo this combo, could I just force a board state when I continue doing it until in the process of shuffling the eldrazi titan is the bottom card in their deck? I know I could physically just keep doing it, but I know it's a rule for the sake of time you can just say how many times you'd like to use an ability/force your opponent to give something a number, so in the same vein of thought could I say "in the effort of saving time, I activate altar of dementia as many times as needed until you are left with only 1 card in your deck which is -insert titan here-"?

>>96415699
>who is the strongest entity in MtG? lore wise that is.
Anyone who didn't say BFM is wrong

>>96416180
I guess you could, yeah. That said, assuming there, say, 40 cards left in a deck, how many cycles on average will be needed until you just happen to mill the Titan last?

>>96416173
I love all the monsters and luckily i can play cards like overlords, valgachad fomo or fear of isolation in Pioneer

>>96415966
Anon you know that's not a real card, right?
And there are only 67 cards in the entire game that have rules in the CR just for them. Some of those rules are just mundane shit like "defining what triple means".

>>96415966
Untap convoke is apex java.
C++ would be
"Untap typal elven convoke (6GW)"

>>96412056
I want to die

>>96412056
literally made up lol

>>96412205
Name a better format.

>>96416201
>how many cycles on average will be needed until you just happen to mill the Titan last?
assuming no cards in exile, 1 in 99 chance for it to be the bottom card. So basically an average of 100 cycles until it's his last card

>>96412205
Why?

>>96416437
If you got hands?
Pauper.
I guess if you are a paypiggy shitter that already got filtered off modern and pioqueer, premodern is the next best step ;)

>>96416127
is kyodai the strongest entity ever in MtG lore or is it Yawgmoth or someone else?

>>96416173
Make a small duskmourne cube with only the good art then

>>96415027
Basri was the only actual egytian on. The others looked american rather than Nubian.

>>96415014
Exile 2 cards facedown search your deck for 1 basic land. Lose 2 life.
Lands enter tapped the turn you activate this effect.

>>96416867
spiderfucks on life support, chinese proxy printers in ecstasy

>Had to play through 6 matches before the Arena shuffler finally stopped kike-ing me
>Literally never have these kinds of hands in paper Magic
Kikerena is a failed state.

>>96416941
stop playing bo1

>>96416867
What the fuck?

>>96416944
I’m on best of three and still getting shekel’d

>>96416946
>One 2025 set, Magic: The Gathering® | Marvel's Spider-Man (as well as future Marvel sets) will not be coming to digital Magic platforms. Instead, we will release our first Through the Omenpaths set on September 23.

>>96413389
BASADO

I hope we get a shark jump saga.

>>96416867
digital chads can't stop winning

>>96416867
paperboomers in shambles

>>96416960
In other words, instead of licensed IPs in the card game, they'll get in-universe versions of the cards

>>96417017
Like so.

>>96416867
is there a single good reason why they don't do this with every UBslop set (besides "money lol")
they said they fucking would when UBslop was still just secret lairs and then fucking forgot about it
can't wait till they decide they wanna fire up the money printing machine and make more One Rings in a few years before realizing they legally fucking can't, stupid bastards

>>96416200
you are like a little child

>>96416960
>(as well as future Marvel sets)

>>96417093
The franchises probably require them to use their IP and ask for specific sales. Hence why they're in standard now, to help push numbers. For spiderman though, they didn't get the digital rights so they have to do it this way or not have it on Arena at all.

>>96417124
>on Arena at all
MTGO, too.

>>96416867
The funny thing is none of this matters for IP licensing rights, when as more UBslop is printed it exponentially speeds up the death of Magic as a whole. Then the game will linger on zombie-like for commmader players until Hasbrew sucks out the last shekel and sells JOTC to the highest bidder like a Bain Capital scheme

>>96417093
The only reason they're doing it this time is because not competing with their mobile card game is inherent to any deal with Marvel. If they could've done so without (like Final Fantasy) then they would've, and if it were any other brand but the one Nosewater's been ""inspired by"" since the Jacetice League they would've considered it a dealbreaker.

>>96414346
What is there to actually like about Bushido? It doesn't do anything worthwhile.

>>96417093
There isn't a lot of demand for it. It only appeals to 7 percent of players who may not even buy.

>>96417158
Old thing good.

>>96417145
Magic is already dead you idiot.

>>96417106
Until which year my format of choice will be polluted by capeshit? Also which dying horrible Marvel franchise will be next? The 4 faggots? X gays? Maybe Trashengers?

>>96417272
Assvengers

>>96416867
Based on the cards that don't need name changes here's what could be inferred about the set and what planes we'll visit.
1.Actual police so probably not Cappenna.
2.Science experiments going wrong so Ravnica or Innstrad.
3.Crime gangs signify cappena and ravnica
4.Experimentinting on meowing cats.
5.An LGBTQIAA2SP+ romance since Wotc's only abstains from that on printed cards.
6. An Island of Spider people probably Innistrad based on the Innsmouth horror.
7.Taxi driver implies either Innistrad or Cappenna.

>>96417272
imagine a she-hulk whole set aaay lmaooo

>>96417310
Part 2
1.A royal advisor sitting on a throne
2.Sapient Lizards so either Viashinos or Bloomburrow Lizardfolk.
3.We are going to be in a city so Ravnica or Cappena.
4.Robots implies non-magical tech.
5.We are going to explore the Multiverse maybe each basic land type representing a different plane.
6.A lot of people wanting to become heroes so we either return to Theros or a bunch of new super heroes.
7.A viashino students in an academy.
8.The cloning of people.

>>96417183
Retard, they can’t Slopify the Premodern format

>>96417399
AN ENTIRE SET OF AI SLOP
>AN ENTIRE SET OF AI SLOP
AN ENTIRE SET OF AI SLOP
>AN ENTIRE SET OF AI SLOP

CAN

YOU

DIG

IT

?

Just play Premodern, lmao.

The only EOE construct.

>>96417552
>Everything I don't like is AI slop

or better yet, just make your own damn game
that's what I'm doing

>>96416200
Nastiest tribal support when?

>>96416867
NOO MARK YOU FUCK LET ME BUY THIS IN PAPER, MANOOO WHY FUCKING MANO WHY

>Anachronism
>(This card can be in your premordern deck)

>>96417671
Proxy the in universe variants. Bring them to your LGS. Bring them to non-sanctioned tournaments. The more people do it, the louder the signal for WOTC that people don't give a fuck about Spider-Man.

>>96413931
Any recommendations for a starter commander deck? The Innistrad precons are kinda expensive now.
Also, Suggestions for the commander? Color?

Commander is the cancer that's killing this game.

>>96417993
killed*

Cummander faggots and i mean every single one of those vermins should be gatekeep, mock and ignored.


They will never be Magic players and what they play could never be related to real Magic.

>>96418157
>Ask how to get started
>Be told to start with a format
>Ask followup questions
>People sperg out.
I suppose this isn't indicative of the rest of the community? Should I have asked the guy who recomended arena? Or would that be as egregious?

>>96418213
Try /edhg/ instead.

what we do about cauldron, there is no way they will let this meta until november right?

>>96418213
Fuck to your containment gulag faggot. We don’t need you here.

>>96418157
>>96418242
lel keep seething. we won

>>96418256
Won the race to destroy Magic?

>>96418256
You have a curious definition of “Win”, faggot.

>>96418267
yeah, fuck this game

>limited has the best gameplay it has ever had
>more sets come out
>easy to draft on arena
>you can even win collector's boxes or real money

yeah limited chads won

>>96418236
Yes, Vivi is not the problem

>>96418404
>>limited has the best gameplay it has ever had

>>96418404
Pick 2 draft seems easier to draft.

>>96418420
It's actually true though, they have gotten much better at limited set design

>>96418448
>It's actually true though, they have gotten much better at limited set design

>Hey yeah I used to work for Michelin star restaurants ...
>But now I'm REALLY good at flipping McDonalds burgers!

This is not an improvement in quality.

So how many cauldrons in top 8 this weekend?

>>96418472
8.

>>96418448
>they have gotten much better at limited set design
I mean, yeah if you ignore all the broken as shit unbalanced trashfire formats like BLB, MKM, WOW, DFT, TDM...
That is to say, every fucking set of the past three years+

>>96418517
>WOW
we had a warcraft set???

>>96418534
woe.

>>96418542
fugg

>>96418517
Dragons of Tarkir was the only one of the sets you listed that was bad. You're just using rose colored glasses, older sets were even more unbalanced on average, had less playables, and also less complexity so teh gameplay and drafts were less interesting. The complexity creep may be bad for constructed, but it was a boon to limited

>>96418564
>Dragons of Tarkir was the only one of the sets you listed that was bad.
ok bud

I said UNBALANCED btw, not "bad"
You shifting the goal posts from what I asserted, to a more vague term, is pure sophistry.

25 out of the 75 cards in the deck i'm playing next week for fnm are real wotc cards, the other 50 are chinese proxies

>>96418574
Most of them were reasonably balanced. Few draft formats have all color combinations as top tier. DFT was bad because the multicolor soup deck was just way better than anything else. Sets like Murders or Aetherdraft had multiple decks to draft and fun gameplay, tehre is no sense in which they were bad.

Name an era of magic with better limited set design

>>96418595
why the fuck are you playing 25 real cards?

>>96418614
>Most of them were reasonably balanced.
Name one.

A lot of magic boomers are just delusional and romanticize stuff that objectively sucked because it used to be that way when they were young. Blocks are one example, old limited is another.

>>96418619
because they don't make proxies for 20 cent cards like spell pierce

>>96418635
I literally named two in that post. Out of the past few sets Final Fantasy is an all time great, EOE is good , DFT was bad, Aetherdrft was fun but flawed. FF was also extremely balanced with basically all color pairs viable

>>96418637
>Blocks bad
Outed yourself as a slop enjoyer, anon

>>96418656
They were. They consistently sold poorly, had bad draft formats, and were poorly received by players. The concept of an evolving story wasn't inherently bad, but it didn't work for 3 set blocks. Maybe 2 sets would work better

>>96418654
>Out of the past few sets Final Fantasy is an all time great
White in FIN had a 63% winrate vs the 49% winrate of Red. Only made worse by the presence of super-mythic ultrabombs like Urza that just randomly show up to crack the format in half without recourse. Try again.

>EOE is good
A format utterly obliterated by mythics with 65%+ winrates. Formats entirely reliant on cracking mythic bombs are not and will never bee good.

>"FIN was a good format."
No.

>>96418614
Invasion block through Onslaught block

>>96418695
You're just an idiot. The consensus among limited players is that FF was amazing, everyone loved it. Not all colors have to be equally strong for it to be a good, balanced format. UR spells was one of the best decks overall, red, was very playable. You also dodged my question when I asked you about a better era of limited set design.

>>96418717
I play limited and Final Kikery is grotesque slop that belongs in its own card game which it has instead of infecting Magic because Gavin is such a fucking fanfag

>>96418717
>You're just an idiot. The consensus among limited players is that FF was amazing,
And the consensus among fentheads is that fent feels good. People liking something has zero (0) (Z E R O) impact on the quality of that thing.

You are, right now, the moron running around arguing that 50 Shades of Gray is the greatest work in literature history, Christmas jingles are the pinnacle of music composition, and James Cameron's Avatar is the greatest of all cinema.

Fuck off. That's retarded beyond belief.

My honest opinion is that if you didn't like FF draft then you just don't like limited or are totally delusional because of nostalgia or some reason

>>96418695
This moron looked up mono color winrates on 17 lands (mono color wasn't really viable) to make his point. They were weird outliers you idiot

Among color pairs there is only a few % difference between the worst and best and ALL are in the viable range. RG was bad though

>>96418760
>My honest opinion is that if you didn't like FF draft then you just don't like limited or are totally delusional because of nostalgia or some reason
Cool story bro.

>>96418760
>Among color pairs there is only a few % difference between the worst and best and ALL are in the viable range. RG was bad though
More goes into balance than mere aggregate, as aggregate does not capture individual outlier cards that ruin games by existing. Of which, FIN has an UNGODLY number of.

>>96418695
By that metric, what set do you think was actually a good limited format? Because all of them are like that.

>>96418789
You just don't like losing to rares in limited. That's fine, but FF had a lot of removal and was far from a prince format. Maybe draft just isn't for you

The best rare in FF were all weird alt art special mythics like Atraxa that barely showed up anyway

>you may cast that card.
>you may cast that card this turn.
they need to figure out a better way to distinguish between these enormously different mechanics. I play with people who have been playing for years and still get this shit wrong.

>>96418802
>By that metric, what set do you think was actually a good limited format? Because all of them are like that.
Yes. Exactly.
You can not claim WotC is good at something when every single example of that thing is bad.

>>96418834
Well, we do like limited and think it's better than it used to be. If you don't like it then that's fine but it was never for you

>>96418805
>You just don't like losing to rares in limited
I don't like limited format balance being skewed toward luck in pack cracking due to an overwhelming presence of massively broken bomb rares and mythics.

The design trend of lumping 90% of a set's power into the mythic slot and 10% of it into the rare slot makes limited bad.

>>96418849
>Well, we do like limited and think it's better than it used to be.
t. has played MTG for 5 months.

>>96418864
I've been playing for years and am usually in pretty high limited mythic on arena. This is a consensus among good players

>>96418889
>I've been playing for years
Uh huh.

>This is a consensus among good players
The opinions of consumers with shit taste and no knowledge of game design are irrelevant.

I love this card so much.

>>96418911
>Flickering it in response to the trigger.

>>96418834
>limited has never been good
go back

>>96418940
We're talking in the context of nuMagic.

>>96418963
Correct: Limited was bad until about 5 or 6 years ago when they figured out how to make limited formats and then it become good

>>96418972
>Correct: Limited was bad until about 5 or 6 years ago when they figured out how to make limited formats and then it become good

>figured out
Ah yes, lazily slopping together ten two-color archetypes and shipping it without testing it a single time. "Quality."

>>96418963
None of those older sets met your standards either.

Neon Kamigawa and Wilds of Eldraine were the only good limited of nuMagic

>>96419004
3x 5DN. Now THAT was a draft format.

>>96419017
NEO had the specter of Fable haunting the format.

Limited formats today are such garbage, I can't believe they print all these busted instawin mythics that require instant removal.

>>96419063
>Limited formats today are such garbage, I can't believe they print all these busted instawin mythics that require instant removal.
Anon you could remove that with a Sorcery and be fine. What are you talking about?

>>96419063
>beautiful white women on Magic cards
Another time, an ancient and forgotten past…

>>96419100
oh sorry, posted the wrong card

>>96419130
Dies to Tragic Slip xD

>>96419130
oh shit, I posted the wrong card again

>>96419154
Imagine trying to make this point about a format that was completely assraped by a single uncommon rendering even the strongest mythics within it completely irrelevant

Only proving you're a zoomie newfag.

IMAGINE thinking people were worried about Mythics in fucking Innistrad draft of all formats.

>>96419206
Yeah, back in those days we had top tier decks with 38 commons.

Standard really is trash now. So is Modern. Magic boomers are right about that. They are 100% wrong about limited being worse, that's pure nostalgia talking

>>96419260
Pack Rat is a perfect example of why broken rares ruin limited formats.

People just numbing their brain to it then going full NPC repeating "I had fun. I had fun. I had fun. I had fun. I had fun." in the face of persistently miserable Pack Rat tier design is a flagrant display of stupidity.