Thread 96413809

Energy Weapons Edition

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>Thread Question:
Future Journal wishlists?

>>96413809 (OP)
>Future Journal wishlists?
To fix the shitty rule set.
To make Saturnine termiantors not hot dog shit on the table.
To give us back shit we are still missing
To give options back to things that we got back in the PDF but not fully
To update armies that lost abilities and features for no reason.
For Detatchments for some armies to get options that they realistically should have had from day 1. (IE DA dreadwing should be able to take destoryers, and IW should be able to take legion basilisks and medusads not JUST bombards)

>>96413798
>It's only two elite slots
>only
The only sources of elties slots that aren't apex slots or logi benefit (or the champion detachment that gives you one single slot). They're the best legion for SeekerSPAM, and the AL trait is super strong regardless of the unit it's in. Sure individual TS Seeker squads are probably deadlier, but AL can take more and have a good allrounder trait to boot

Again I ask, what weapons are you running on Tarantulas?

>>96413809 (OP)
there's literally nothing the paid DLC journals can do to fix HH3rd's broken rules. They can't fix terrain, or fix reactions, or unfuck the broken WS system which cripples dreadnoughts, or fix the broken precision system which makes S4 bolters insta-kill primarchs on turn 1, or remove the broken 4 turn system or the stupid line/vanguard horse-shit.

>>96413824
>To make Saturnine termiantors not hot dog shit on the table.
Should be snap fire both if they dont move instead of only one at full BS
>DA dreadwing should be able to take destoryers
Agree, though I am sure a Destroyer Cadre Journal is coming out and everyone will get a Moritat Prime like Kaedes Nex.

>>96413844
the skyfire missiles

>>96413809 (OP)
Let me pay points for Ravens Talons on more models instead of being free on command you cowards.

>>96413809 (OP)
>TQ
Jump pack options for Mech characters
Destroyer Terminators
Legion-specific saturnines, actually just more legion termies in general
More "possessed" WB units
Mechanicum Tachikomas (Lesser scorpions?)

>>96413898
>Destroyer Terminators
DESU siege terminators are your destroyer terminators honestly.

>>96413831
Im always amazed with the kind of retard you can find in these threads.

>>96413903
started looking at mirrors recently anon?

>>96413902
No, I want actual warcrime weapons. Rad, phospex, vortex, stasis. Stuff that only DG, DA, or revenge-boner IH would dare to use

>>96413898
>Legion-specific saturnines
I was legitimately confused that the launch box is Salamanders vs IW, and the fucking things didn't have a big flamer option and a big heavy bolter / autocannon option.

>>96413914
Grave Wardens are basically destroyer termies.

I sure would like to have more that one book about my Primarch, Ferrus Manus.

>>96413950
Nigga it's bad enough that 50% of legion units are just command squads or veterans but allowed to take the arbitrarily limited legion wargear, no need to start taking from the ones with actual bespoke wargear too

>>96413914
Bro not even Destroyers get war crime weapons lmao. They get pistols, one rad launcher, and only just now did rad grenades become an actual weapon instead of wargear.
I would have given them their Toxiferran heavy flamer back. I would have made their bolt pistols be D2, and their hand flamers cause Panic 0. I would have given them a Phosphex bomb, or swap both pistols for plasma pistols, both as a special 1 per 5 weapon.
There are things you could do with Destroyers. Won't get to ever see them.

>>96413992
Their fucking bolt pistols man.
You're telling me "the unit that does the crimes that even other Astartes bear not do".... use bolt pistols? No special ammo?

>>96413809 (OP)
Any good pics of scale size comparison of the new saturnine terminators to the old terminators?

>>96413996
Maybe Poison 3+ D2. So it can threaten bigger stuff (and VEQ) idk. Corium ammo lol

>>96413992
>>96413996
Lol. Lmao even.

Destroyers are the cleanup crew that goes in after the planet has been warcrimes'ed from orbit. They arent retarded enough to give troops man-portable WMDs. They have dual pistols so they can prowl around mass-executing the groveling slop that survived the rad bombardment.

Interemptors are an exception because the lore behind everything to do with the DA is retarded.

>>96413996
>>96414022
Anon at this point it's not bolt even bolt pistols and if it's not bolt pistols it's destroyers.

>>96413992
They should get chem flamer access like DG

>>96413992
Phosphex bombs, rad missiles, and rad grenades are very much warcrime weapons. Those being in other places too doesn't change this.

>>96413992
I wish they had the special ammo rotor cannons Vorax had in HH 1.0

>>96414042
>>96414041
Anon, basically every marine ship carries at least one exterminatus grade munition. Destroyers are a statement...
...That statement being "watch out! He's got two pistols!" Lmao
>>96414043
Toxiferran. I don't want y'all stealing any more DG stuff
>>96414045
Phosphex bomb. Singular. Rad launcher. One. As for rad grenades, we would laugh that argument down in 2.0

>>96414053
Hmm nah I would let Mechanicum keep their gear.
But I'd love to give them Disintegrators and Heavy Disintegrators, and Blasters for the Mortalis guys. I mean even regular Vets can get disintegration now.
Back then only characters and Seeker sergeants would be trusted with them, and it was the single-shot version.

>>96414082
yeah it made no sense to give Vets Dis access en masse and not Destoryers

>Reaping DG
>TSS
>chem flamers
>phosphex sarge
Who needs Destroyers?

The true lore is to accept that destroyers have been a dogshit joke unit from the start that only emerged from a FW sculptor putting two bolt pistols on the the hardened assault mk4 kit he just made and them putting it on the store for a laugh only for it to somehow become a beloved unit for some godawful reason. Trying to improve them or give them any wargear that makes sense goes against their very reason for existence. It's like trying to fix a 40k tank's suspension, or or give boxnaughts knees.

>>96414104
Centurion, deploy the Deathshroud weapon profile for maximum psychological damage

>>96414110
Daily reminder that the only generic models with full 'standard' mk4 armour are the FW mk4 assault squad.

The destroyers come close, but they have extra armour plates to show the old hardened armour rule (and have sculpted on rad nades and fucking pistol holsters which aren't that easy to remove).

>>96414061
>Phosphex bomb. Singular. Rad launcher. One. As for rad grenades, we would laugh that argument down in 2.0

Every single thing you listed is better in 3.0 than it is in 2.0 by a huge margin. Destroyers were a meme in 2.0 for suicidal DG players. Theyre one of the best units in their slot now.

Made a list based on what I own.
I'm not sure about this one, could use some feedback.

>>96414144
Looks great! Are the Tarts footslogging?

>>96414194
Yeah, I figured since they have regular movement and aren't heavy that they could footslog while the Command Squad and the Warsmith use the Land Raider.

>>96414140
I am glad they did get better. Especially rad grenades; now they feel like actual war crime weapons.
It's their bolt pistols what still doesn't convince me, and I wish it wasn't about replacing them with another weapon like serpentas or rad launchers.
I wish their basic pistols themselves got something going for them. I really think some form of special ammo could give them a unique niche. Especially not one already filled by twin Volkite Serpentas, hence I was proposing Poisoned 3+ & D2. That wouldn't make them any better against MEQ than Volkite, but would improve then against bigger, monstrous stuff like Thallax, Automata and such.

>>96414249
what about something like S3 but AP2 or D2? Make them the "finish off the guy dying from radiation sickness" guns

>>96414249
The changes to rad missiles and volley fire make them hilariously good at kill meq chaff, and the toughness penalty finally applying unit wide just generally makes it a super useful utility unit.

Although the image of a squad of destroyers chucking 2 rad grenades every turn out of the presumable dark age of technology era bags of holding they must be carrying around is also pretty funny.

>>96414283
I mean, if every guy carries 1 grenade then a 10 man squad isn't out of grenades over 4 turns. Unless you mean they can chuck 2 grenades per model

>>96414300
>Unless you mean they can chuck 2 grenades per model
Each model can throw a rad grenade, so up to 10 per round of shooting.
I was mistaken though, they only have the rule that lets them not snapfire in volleyfire, not the other ne that lets them use non assault weapons. Rad missiles however ARE assault weapons, so you can fire 4 rockets per turn, per rad launcher.

>>96414329
now you know why they have drum mags

Am I correct that the only way to get a Prime Elite slot is the Army Vanguard apex detachment? I wanted to play around with Malefic Vets being buffed by equally Malefic techpriests, but bringing a Praetor and a Delegatus just to get two units of them seems a little steep.

>>96414300
>origin of 4 turn 30k ruleset
The Team Owners have gotten together and agreed that as Dark Age of Technology items get more and more scarce, costs are ballooning out of control.
In order to curb these cost increases, we're limiting battles to 30 minutes instead of the usual 2 day affairs.

>>96414283
>Although the image of a squad of destroyers chucking 2 rad grenades every turn out of the presumable dark age of technology era bags of holding they must be carrying around is also pretty funny
Neighbor look at the Siege Breaker model. The dude has two Phosphex Bombs leather strap bandolier'ed to his backpack, resting directly on top of the servo arm that holds his computer thing.

You ever fuck up moving a VESA mount and accidentally drop a napalm charge?

>>96414384
Your legion specific detachment likely has some. The character specific ones also have some (Master of Descent and Champion specifically)

Use Prime Slots to take more.

>>96414449

That gets you Elite slots, which are easy enough. Prime elite slots, which I need to start slapping Malefic on anything that is both long-ranged and won't atomize under Cybertheurgic Feedback, are rather harder to come by. Looks like it's just the Assault Vets from the Master of Descent and that one Apex. I suppose Malefic Termies are also pretty solid, they're just much harder to actually do anything with than vets because the Magi boosting them can't hop in a transport or Deep Strike.

>>96414384
If the Mechanicum character is an ally, then a Magos model may be the only Prime they get
>>96414449
He's looking for Prime Elites (which can be Malefic), not just any regular Elites

>>96414521

The Mechanicum allied det doesn't need the prime slots, so that's not too much of a problem. I can get two if the Magos takes a techpriest det with an extra prime priest in it, although I only really need one decent caster priest per Prime Elite. I'm just playing around with the fact that a Malefic Archimandrite in a Malefic allied squad can buff that unit on a 9 or below, which is funny with plasma vets or any of the various snipey squads even if he does blow himself up a bit with feedback, since you can get BS6 and start critting.

I suppose I can just grab the Elite apex for the Marines and start playing around with Headhunters or similar, no need for two Magi and two squads of snipers even if it would be fun to blow up a primarch in a storm of critical bolter headshots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBJigEW9k7E

Heresy battles for this feel?

>>96413898
>Mechanicum Tachikoma
hey that's my artalax habeeb it or not
some bits of a revoltech toy to be its basis ;3c

also aaa i'm proooning again, sla machine appears to be purring away fine after a break in use and some reshuffling of environ
a sedivalle mk.v with adjusted proportions and some miscellaneous stuff on a stuffed plate to break everything back in

>>96413923
They fucked up so bad not giving us the heavy weapons over the back in between the shoulders like the art.

>>96414598
>tranime game

>>96414632
I don't understand half the words in this post

>>96414655
making one of these fags out of goop basically

>>96414693
Oh it's a printer, I thought it was some sort of autoblow device. Now post pics of the tachikoma

>>96414704
SLA is short for Streolithography, which is the technology used in resin printers specifically.

Would AL have an archived catalog of pre-Primarch legion tactics or nah

>>96414704
he's in pieces but used to look like this
two of his large legs are going to serve as mandible/frond/bludgeon/energy projection limbs drooping off of the front with an articulated plasma cannon coming out of the center and low spot, three eyes to be maintained pretty much as they are, the antenna has been lopped off with the spot awaiting sanding down for a beegass section of open space for some nature of neat painting
the rear pod is also discarded and he'll have a great big drape of machinator cables and the like in the vein of a matrix sentinel coming out of the ass and anchoring him to the base
still in the air as to how the autocannons and explicit power blades are going to be oriented but there's lots of room and free orifices to use
couldn't tell you how he'll be painted that is all very up in the air for a lot of my mech stuff

>>96414723
>there's lots of room and free orifices to use
>
>
Archmagos Pr00ntos, please step away from the tachikoma. Anyways I love your project, keep us updated. The marines too, they look interesting.

>>96413831
>pedo artist

>>96414556
I've been meaning to ask - those of you who actually bothered with getting the Saturnines, are Disintegrator weapons any good? What's a good general loadout for them?

>>96414925
No, no they are not.

>>96414925

The Inversion Beamer on the dread is extremely mean, and it's an extremely durable platform so it will probably get to use it. The Grav-Pulveriser is also not bad for the pinning, although it struggles to get lots of use out of its D3-4 because of the relatively low AP, so honestly I'd personally go double IB and the nipple templates of your choice. Panic (2) on the Photonic Incinerators is neat.

The terminators tend to kill themselves with the disintegrator guns, so I wouldn't go for them there, and the rest of their weapons aren't massively inspiring, I'm not sure they have a clear role right now, although the Praetor is at least a huge beefy sidegrade on the traditional terminator praetor and probably does just fine with that absolutely murderous hammer.

>>96414925
Disintegratorsfeel intentionally designed to suck. The only ones worth a damn are the ones on the dread, but they're short range on a slow platform and compete with the much better grav gun and inversion beamer

>>96414947
>>96414971
>>96414988
Aw, that's unfortunate. I've heard voices say that plasma was nerfed so that ashguns could shine, but it seems to not be the case then.

Money unspent is money saved.

>>96414996
It's reañly strange because every single new unit in the box is complete ass save for mayne the praetor and the turret. We expected the rules to be badly written due to the dtate 3.0 released in, but we expected them to be OP to sell more boxes, not underpowered to the extreme
>Infantry disinregratrors
Unwashed ass
>Sarurnine disintregrators
Shorr range, slowe platforms, the termies dome themselves
>Sattie terminators
Slow, expensive, short ranged, bad melee, bad guns. Their flamer is super fucking good at mulching MEQ but they can't really bring it to bear unless...
>Saturnine Praetor
Actually decent, reañly good weapons, weirdly downgraded offensive stats but the weapons probably make up for it. Can take a teleport beacon to let Saturnines deep strike, but then you've got a melee monster in a unit that wants to avoid melee. I guess you could split him off post DS?

>>96414996
that's incorrect. Both disintegrators and plasma suck cock. There's no reason to ever take either (except for thousand sons)

Plasma is insufficient against light targets, it does worse output than the most basic bolter per point. It fails against terminators and AP2 instantly while dmg1 makes it double-useless. It's absolutely fucking pathetic against 3+ armor saves which it should be AP3 against but isn't. The s7 mode is still garbage but self-harms to accomplish nothing, and the s6 mode is a complete joke harmless against even the lightest of light vehicles.

The only thing that cures plasma's trashness is thousand sons rending5+ cheatmode, which makes plasma suddenly the best gun in the game - but 17/18 legions don't have that.

Plasma really proves the writers of HH have never read a single 40k book in their lives or even watched any of their shitty animations. Power armor does not stop plasma blasts. That is it's one and only job - being AP3 or AP2, and they failed to reflect that.

I never ever ever EVER want to do a banner transfer again. I fucked it up initially and had to go buy a scalpel to try fix it up.
Still a bit scuffed, but much better.

>>96415155
Looks great, but also how did you not own a scalpel?

>>96415162
Simply never had need for one, xd. Glad I have it now at least

Who was the biggest punching bag of the Heresy, Word Bearers or World Eaters?

In last edition i built a veteran unit with power weapons and combi-weapons and now its not possible to build such a unit anymore. Nice one GW

>>96415464
That sucks. Somehow I dodged most removed wargear options, only had to change two or three of my consuls' weapons.

>>96415461
night lords unfortunately

>>96415461
Your dudes.

And you know it's the truth.

>>96415461
every nightlord in the universe other than Curze. "Uhoh, we're gonna get beatup, I got a plan, scatter into insignificant defenseless homeless people in all directions never capable of doing anything ever again!"

Nightlords weren't even able to take Pharos with 10,000 vs 300... the black library authors aren't even trying to write non-trash at all. It's not even believable that 100 marines fights 5 marines and loses 40 soldiers somehow instead of just instantly winning in 5 seconds because 20v1 means you can shoot and grenade from every direction.

>>96415461
neither took even close to the most losses of the heresy and both remained substantial legions at the end of the siege, literally the next biggest after the SoH and IW. Of those two though the WE were committed in more warzones than nearly any other legion and did the most attritional assaults, so probably took more losses overall.

>>96415146
>(except for thousand sons)
>The only thing that cures plasma's trashness is thousand sons rending5+ cheatmode, which makes plasma suddenly the best gun in the game - but 17/18 legions don't have that.

Read.

>>96415155
Microsol neighbor.
Get them in place with Microset, and then give them a quick dab of Microsol to get them to sit totally flat and work the bubbles out.

have you fucked legio mortis today ?

>>96415513
I dont really understand this argument. The Night Lords are literally the retarded edgelord Legion, why would they not do the most retarded and ineffective thing possible given the opportunity?
Their spiritual liege is fucking Batman ffs. You cant not be any more edgy, retarded, and ineffective than Batman.

>>96415579
I put that Mortussy on a pedestal. The Ferrum Morgulus are gay and probably homosexual too.

>>96415019

The only decent new Disintigrator is probably the blaster. AP2, Str5, 2 damage. Kills Terminators and Command choices, costs less than the Heavy version and you can have an entire unit of HWS Vets take them.

>>96415461
salamanders. made irrelevant in their very first battle of the heresy

>>96415597
A veteran HWS with volkite blasters might be one of the best units to put a moritat in. The vets have implacable advance and the blasters aren't heavy, so they can volley fire with them. Then the moritat allows them to decide not to follow through with the charge, and adds extra firepower too of course.

>>96415146
The lightest target you're likely to fight is auxilia lasrifles.

90 points gets you 5 plasma guns. Hitting on a 3+ means 7 hits, wounding on a 2+ means 6 wounds, 6 unsaved wounds.

90 points gets you 9 bolters. 3 attacks each when not moving, hitting on a 3+ means 18 hits, wounding on a 3+ means 12 wounds, 6 unsaved wounds.

Against auxilia safe plasma is comparable to its weight in stationary bolters and better if the bolters have to move

Against marines bolters make 27 attacks, hit 18, wound with 9 and kill 3 marines.

Safe (breaching 6+) plasma makes 10 attacks, hits with 7, wounds with 5 regular and 1 AP2 and kills 2.7 marines.

Against castellax bolters get 27 attacks, 18 hits, 3 wounds and deal 1 unsaved wound.

Uncharged plasma gets 10 attacks, 7 hits, ~3 to 4 wounds and deals 1.5 unsaved wounds.

A safe plasma gun is worth like, 2 stationary bolters Against most things and can also shoot tanks in the ass for real damage.

The advantage of plasma is that it squeezes roughly 2 tactical marines worth of firepower on the body of a single tactical marine which means you can squeeze a full squad in a Rhino and do decent damage.

The obvious downside of plasma TSS is their durability is slightly over half that of an equivalent number of tactical marines.

This means you don't want plasma shooting at equivalent tacticals because they will get slaughtered with return fire. If you want a TSS to kill tacticals use Calivers.

You should only use the overcharged profile in 2 scenarios.

Scenario 1, its turn 3/4 so keeping an extra dude alive isn't super valuable.

Scenario 2, you're shooting Thallax equivalents or terminator equivalents in which case the S7 and breaching 5+ are pretty big.

>>96415612
Please learn to format your posts in a way that doesn't scream "I'M A FAGGOT FUCK MY MOUTH" please.

>>96415613
Don't flatter yourself.

>>96414632
>Mechanicum Tachikoma
Replace the balls on the head with servo-skulls. Make the crew compartment with an armoured sarcophagus with a view slit. Heavy stubber in one arm and either a grenade launcher or a rotor cannon on the nose. Maybe one of those Reiver grapnel hooks in the other arm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShZ2c267FSs

>>96413898
>Mechanicum Tachikomas (Lesser scorpions?)
Sounds like the machine that would later get possessed and turn into the Venom Crawlers of 40k.

>>96413898
>Lesser scorpions
What about...

>>96415503
>>96415513
Please understand, Curze is just a baby girl, he can't be held accountable.

Quick question about medium area terrain and the Alpha Legion trait.

Since medium area terrain blocks line of sight if you draw a 3 inch line over it and the Alpha legion trait means your 2" further away. Do these effect stack?

In essence, can you as the AL player put your dudes 2" into a piece of medium terrain and see out of it, but since you count as being 2" further away your opponent is drawing line of sight over 4" inches of area terrain and can't see you.

Is this the correct reading or have i missed something?
Cheers

>>96415780
The AL legion trait doesn't affect the medium area terrain rule.
The AL trait adds 2" distance when measuring the distance between models with certain interactions.
Medium area terrain blocking LOS takes effect when the LOS line is drawn through at least 3" of the terrain. Only the crossing distance through terrain is measured, not the distance between models.

>>96415780
No
Stop being a faggot

>>96415613
>Sees another man talk
>Immediately imagines him sucking cocks
And you call other people faggots

>>96415798
thanks man!
>>96415828
:(

>>96415835
Only the ones acting like fucking faggots.

>>96415835
I think that's the same guy that kept sperging out about "trannies" when people were posting the horse girls.

>>96415853
No.

>>96415780

Unrelated but fucking hell these terrain rules are shit.
It's a tabletop war game. You'd have thought that terrain and objectives would be the most important part of the whole ruleset and the bit that gets the most attention alongside movement.

>>96415853
Sounds about right

Surely militia today

>>96415949
Surely.

>>96414061
>Singular. One.
As opposed to the zero(0) in almost every single other unit in the game? You don't give your suicide squads expensive forbidden tech en masse. Just enough to get the job done. One rad missile launcher with irradiate large areas. Also phosphex isn't one use anymore so it's multiple.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/z9ikifym/imperialis-militia-download-this-free-pdf-army-list/

Militia is here

>>96416069
Techmarine's servitors could each take a rad missile launcher.

>>96416087
>Can still hold objectives when under status effects
Excuse me??

>>96416087
Feels more like Codex: Imperial Agents where they just lumped all the different infantry kits they had and made them into provenances. You got Skitarii, Arbites, Votann, GSC, etc.

>>96416087
THat's looking pretty good. I was afraid they'd get the SoS treatment

>Eternal Warrior
Holy shit

>>96416141
Cybernetics confirmed for Cool.

>>96416141
rad grenades on all sergeants sounds a lot more useful.

>>96416141
These guys fuck

>>96416141

That depends entirely on how many irregular units have 2 or more wounds.

>>96416150

This. Taking marines down to T3 like the rest of them en-masse is going to suck for them.

>>96416141
>my vision is augmented
>you mechanicum may have copper wiring to reroute your fear of pain, but i've got nerves of steel

I'm looking forward to black shields now

>>96416141
>Force Commander on Bike
the fuck

>>96416141
>All ogryns can take power mauls
be afraid

Why is the funny meme pdf army so much more poweful and has more options than the main armies?

>>96416214
Just shut the fuck up and buy the Saturnine box. Why is this so difficult for you?

>>96416214
Because someone did this purposely for shit and giggles and for seething of marinefags obviously

>>96416207
>Every Model with an assault shield in an Ogryn Brute Troop Unit in this Army can have its assault shield exchanged for one boarding shield for +2 Points per Model.
Hm

WTF

Whoever wrote the astartes rules should kill themselves.

>>96416087
>chainaxes still in, but not locked to feral warriors
I got worried they removed chainaxes, but they are generic now which potentially frees up a providence for me. And heavy flamer support squads are back!

Looks like power armour militia is back on the menu for those playing 3.0, very nice.

Well shucks, I suppose I lucked out.
Got these in the mail today, an administrative error at the LGS caused them to be priced five dollars each.
Happy days!

>>96416282
You know it's not up to the writers that some moronic suit is pushing the no model no rules retardation
The militia pdf is what happens when you let the rules writers do what they want...

>>96416272
>BL

>>96416289
Militia chads won. I'm so happy for them, none more deserving.

>>96416272
>Life is unfair. Stop whining.

Imagine this full of ogrys with boarding shields and power mauls

>>96416316
HH 3.0 has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's the suits higher up enforcing the no models no rules bullshit. Everything in the libers or official books is highly restrictive, yet all the free PDF rules are full of options.

>>96416087
So how can I take rhinos or land raiders?

>>96416336
Dude we knew this before the libers came out in leaks lmfao. They all but outright told us this in the early warcom articles

>>96416106
Angels of death confirmed for being pussies compared to John, militia of the 9772661th regiment from bumfuck sector

>>96416348

Survivors provenance does exactly that

If I'm reading it right RAW abhuman infantry squads can replace their guns with assault shields. But because they do not specifically replace their rifles with pistols, they do not get to pick up a melee weapon to go with it, leaving them with only shields and no other weapons which is a shame.

>>96416377
John Militia has balls of steel, apparently

>>96416353
That's what I meant.
Been feeling like I was the only one who paid attention to the early interviews and warcom articles.

>>96416409
Yes, I guess the idea is that you either have a shield or a proper melee weapon
Even then, considering the melee weapons they have access to, the shield guys are not that different desu

>>96416447
A couple squads of shield guys to follow the main wave and hang back on objectives does not seem like a bad idea, after all why pay for weapons that you don't plan to use? Gives me an excuse to field some variety in what is otherwise an "oops all chainaxes" army as well.

>>96416445
Yep. People caught the reeing too hard and went with 4th hand information which is obviously gargled

Militia seem very expensive for points

>>96416087
It's not even August 43rd

>>96416214
Because GeeDubs wants to convince you to buy their overpriced plastic shit to build your Militia army. Line must go up.

>>96416502
They're supposed to be, a militia army isn't supposed to be able to compete directly with a first line army. They're meant to be a gimmick list full of tricks that let's you build whatever ridiculous army you want.

Medics have to be bought as singles now

>>96416554
>the meme pdf list with zero official models was released so GW can make more money.
It was released so guardfags can play 30k with their old armies.

> commissar exists, shots their own squad to reroll status effect
> Infantry squad can be added to up to 50 men
> commissar attached to 50 men platoon
> looks like 5e Guards are back on the menu boys

> Be peter-turbo
> Instilled iron-discipline through brutal decree of decimation
> Be random chem junky on random planetoid #5131342
> Same effect

So let me get straight
John Militia is now more resilient, harder to kill and push out than fucking Death Guards marines?

>>96416643
Anon John Militia has T3 and a 5+, let's not get over our heads here

Aren't Levies way too expensive?
BS/WS2 and a 6+ save for the same points as infantry squads while not having Line seems really dumb?
Expendable 3 is great and all but they aren't going to be doing much if anything at all

>>96416087
>Picrel now have explicit 30k rules
What a time to be alive. I guess I have a militia mining union army.

>>96416667
Anything stopping you from taking them as allies and having a librarian cast dome on them for a 3++ Shroud save?

>>96416637
The drugs are good for you!

>>96416637
>Random chem junkie has a better Trait then DA.

>>96416713
>DA are supposed to be the gay legion
>can't even do meth

>>96416667
It's all gone up, going over my list for 3.0 I'm finding that If I want to bring the same number of bodies, I have to give up a lot of the teeth that I could take in 2.0.

Rules make sense now. Team wanted an official port to be able to play giant games of necromunda without getting bogged down on an individual model level.

>>96416667
To be fair, a 5+ save might as well not be there when most basic weapons are ap5
And they still have that rule that lets them control objectives while under status effects. This rule makes Line not very useful to have to begin with so I'd say they are more or less equally useful.

>Third Line Vehicles suffer a hull point lose with a glancing hit along with the status effect
>Glancing third line vehicles is actually more attractive than penetrating them now
Wot

Interesting

Da, comrade!

>>96416087
Guess I know what to do with those 60+ chaos cultist model, now that they are no longer allowed to be used for 40k TS.

>>96416759
>tranny Crusade models

>>96416554
>Line must go up.
Militia doesn't have live 2 so no, it doesnt

>>96416693
>Gene crafted
>Industrial levy
GSC getting full rules for 30k was not on my bingo card for Militia.

>>96416624
> looks like 5e Guards are back on the menu boys
i don't see those BS4 triple special weapon veterans on chimeras.

So, militia can only pick 2 Provenances?

>>96416822
Man, what's the fucking pdf say?

>>96416822
what the fuck where you expecting?

>>96416822
You get 1 provenance for free and a second if you have at least 1 force commander.

So 1 minimum 2 maximum.

>>96416797
Grow up.

>>96415461
IW easily. sieging is retarded lightning war tactics that creates heavy losses in exchange for fast capitulation of the target. Both the emperor and horus used the 4th legion for that purpose because they knew perty would throw a bitchfit but end up doing it anyway.

>>96416667

Hey, you can give basically the entire army Rite of Pure Thought for free, so this is where the shitty and cheap tech-thralls of old were hiding the entire time. They're bad, but also basically interchangeable with the infantry squads, so there's going to be some situations where they have some fun options.

I'm personally feeling like Rite of Pure Thought + Voidbourne infantry squads would make great early objective cappers, since they have just enough infiltrate to make the push to centre without transports and won't run quite so easily. Throw in some of those 85pt basilisks for annoyance fire, maybe a Rogue Psyker or some attack crocodiles for kicks.

Really under-estimated how nasty Exodus is now. Thought needing a 4+ on the to hit roll to snipe would make him too unreliable, but didn't realise how strong each 4+ to hit also being a crit is. Even dreadnoughts have to fear him now, one 4+ means a 3 damage hit.

>armory of old night
Grenadiers get +3 save and volkite chargers, so 265 points per 20 man blob.
I don't know which other provenance i could pick for more fun if the one that makes them hit on +3 or the land raider one.

>>96417010
that model needs the rifle replaced with a guitar for a noise marine champion

>>96417042
Well his rifle is called The Instrument...

So they removed Needlers from the Sisters of Silence 2.0 list and gave it to Milita 3.0 instead... wtf

>>96416958
Without the Iron fourth the warmaster would not have breached the walls of Terra. Perturabo was one of the few reliable primarchs on Horus roster, as was Mortarion.

>>96417010

Yeah, all the high BS sniper models are basically working under the assumption that their precision shots are almost always going to be crits. Prime Vigilator does something similar, since he can be BS8 for a very reasonable price, whereas Exodus is rather more expensive but doesn't need the Prime slot.

I am pondering taking 10 headhunters in that apex that gives you Prime Elites, then allying a malefic magos to boost them up to BS6. Some of them may die, but that's a sacrifice I am willing to make to put 40 Crit (6+) Banestrike shots into a Primarch, EW Marine warlord or Archmagos and take 4-5 wounds off. Maybe a Vigilator to finish the job, too.

>>96417010
That's a big rifle

>>96416722
I thought faggots used poppers to loosen up their anuuus to destroy their poop shoot so they have to wear adult diapeers, sodomy is truly a sin

>>96417085
>disposing of your command structure
>with no survivors!

>>96417096
they use meth too

>>96416330
>No generic power weapon access
It's so over

>>96416330

Make them EW1 ROPT Ogryns with power mauls and boarding shields for good measure. They won't run and they won't die.

>>96417096
Only the ones who receive

>>96416087
>Augmented Levy
Those unaugmented thralls conscripted into the ‘Tech Guard’
of Mechanicum-oathed worlds in times of dire need undergo
rapid, forced augmentation, a process which uses crude
neuro-suppressors to numb the subject to the horrors of war.

TechGuardbros, we're back!

>>96417137

It's just the old thralls again, it's great, and we can take 'em as allies without even needing an allied HQ, so no big deal there. Now Lacry magi can sit there necromancing up T5 thralls and everyone else can just roll with cheap, shitty infantry that isn't spooked by shooting without needing a dedicated magos to make them cost a reasonable number of points.

>>96416272
KWAB

>>96417136
Mastrubating using another man's shit hole is nasty and you risk all kinds of disease
>>96417105
Yikes

>Gene react become light and get splinter rifle and cannon equivalents
Dark Eldar Militia?

>>96416330
I don't get it, mauls are still AP3? Terminators and proper elites will wreck them

The Provenances all look very fun and encourage some very silly builds.

I really wanna combine gene crafted with legacy of the great crusade for grenadiers with assault needlers. Thats a LOT of poisoned shooting.

>>96416336
Not true with the Sisters of Silence :(

>>96417203
Yes very cool

>>96417120

Ogryns don't get EW because they aren't irregulars

>>96417082
Out of curiosity why does either party need to be malefic? Is it just for the status immunity?

Also are Crits that worthwhile when every primarch has some variation of Eternal Warrior? You get to auto-breach but the extra damage is wasted.

>>96417201
WS5 beats them, Ogryn will fold WS4 terminators assuming you give them EW1.

>>96417297
With Crits you're putting out 10 ap2 wounds and around 7 normal wounds if my math is right.

Without Crits you're putting out 5.5 ap2 wounds and 11 normal wounds

>>96417254

Damn, I did not notice that, that removes a lot of the juice from the Ogryns if you can't buff them with anything but the ogryn provenance.

>>96417297

They need to be Malefic because techpriests cannot buff arbitary infantry from other factions, but they can buff any Malefic unit if they take the heretek options. If they're in the squad they'll cast it very reliably, if they're not it's a little harder.

The crits are a big damage add, since normally you're wounding on 6s with S4 guns and only breach on 6+ anyway, so a standard 10 headhunter squad does 1-2 wounds to a HQ rather than 4-5 to Primarchs/EW models/Archmagi and a comically large number to anything else. Can't feasibly get two squads of demon snipers and obliterate primarchstars in a hail of critting bolter rounds, but one is probably plenty for anything lesser, and if the deathstar does respond to that by trying to shoot or charge the headhunters while they're still buffed it's entirely possible they kill the primarch or the rest of the terminators they were just blasting with Return Fire/Overwatch.

Greetings from a newcomer! I haven't bought any miniatures yet, I want to play this somewhat smart. Got a lore question to ride me over: was the whole widespread superstition present in 40K about Machine Spirits and the like also a thing in HH? I know the Mechanicum existed, but I'm ignorant on the general status of the Imperium at the time. Were there Enginseers in the Imperial Army? Did the Legions have Techmarines of dual loyalties to Mars and Emperor?

>>96417420
Greetings and welcome!

>was the whole widespread superstition present in 40K about Machine Spirits and the like also a thing in HH?
Mostly yes. There were a rare few individuals that were more secular and knowledgeable rather than superstitious about it, but that didn't last long.

>Were there Enginseers in the Imperial Army?
Yes, though more attached to rather than in. Tech priests were already responsible for the maintenance and repair of most of the Imperium's vehicles and wargear.

>Did the Legions have Techmarines of dual loyalties to Mars and Emperor?
Yes, techmarines receiving final training on Mars was established during the early Great Crusade. Some legions were more accepting and trusting of them at this time though, intra-faction relations within the Imperium somewhat soured after the whole HH shitshow.

>heavy seismic cannons are S7 AP4 D2 breaching (5+) flamers for 25 points.
>every 20 point Quadbike can take one. You can take quads in squads of 5. Every quad has 3 wounds at T4.

Quads only have a 5+ so they die to bolters sadly.

>>96417381
I mean that's a lot of damage but you've only got 18" of range, can't infiltrate because of the magos, and also can't use transports because of the magos. Headhunters are 1w 3+, I don't really imagine you'd ever be able to make it to the shooting phase in the first place.

You've also used a praetor and a delegatus to get those two vanguard dets, meaning that you're at around 900 pts, almost a third of your army. For that price you could also just bring 4*10 seekers, that'll do more damage, are more durable, are more versatile, and are incredibly easy to get through Headhunter Leviathal.

It is a very interesting combo though, one squad might be cool to use.

>>96417507

Two squads is not feasible, I agree. One squad, tucked behind cover in the back to respond to big squads of termies/primarchs/whatever trying to push the backline or pop out and hose down an objective if there are none, might be pretty decent. The Magos is reasonably bulky and can take light to medium fire on his 4W 2+ 5+++ body to defend the squad while battlesmithing things from behind a wall.

Magos, 2x Vultarax, 2-3x Krios and maybe a Karacnos is a solid allied det, and AL is relatively independent of Apexes anyway, so 10 Prime Headhunters and maybe some Effrit seems like a reasonable use of that. A Karacnos firing statuses at two or three different squads that are subject to the Effrit disadvantage aura seems potentially mean.

M10, 2 multi-melta shots, hitting on 4+, 65 points each, up 5 per slot . . . are multi-melta scout sentinels worth it?

>>96416260
THAT SHOULD BE A FREE REACTION AVAILABLE TO ALL

>you just HAVE to serve baseliner filth for the entirety of your pseudo-immortal lives okay!? you just do!!!
how about no?

>>96416797
Get fucked haha.

>>96417646
yea instead you serve extra dimensional parasites and have devolved into a parody of your old selves
so great

>20-man interdiction cadre blobs with allied 50-man endless horde levy blobs
holy kino

>>96417666
oh gee sapient undercurrents of reality itself that dote and reward and love their devotees vs. a tyrant that was already effectively a corpse on a throne well before he was properly installed as such
what a contest

>>96417711
You will never be a Daemon Prince.

>>96417646
I have no idea why anyone expected anything else. Transhuman soldiers and robot soldiers are always gonna start wondering why they serve normals eventually. Its inevitable. The Horus Heresy was just a second Iron Revolt.

>>96417774
It's probably part of why the Emperor made marines reliant on implanting geneseed into regular humans to replenish their numbers. It means that marines can never eradicate all of humanity and replace them.

>>96417711
>that dote and reward and love their devotees
>Traitor cucks actually believe this
Jesus Christ how grim

>>96417711
The Chaos gods are the ultimate manifestations of our base urges, Nothing more.

Every human who's ever lived has wrestled with their inner daemons, you chose to worship them instead.

>>96416822
>So, militia can only pick 2 Provenances?

Yes. Like in 1.0 and 2.0. What did you expect?

>>96417787
>ohohohohohohoho

>>96417787
No instead they would have to construct farms where they cultivate aspirants. Like several loyalist chapters in 40k already do.

>>96417507

If I'm calculating this right 40 Seekers actually do less precision damage than one squad of Guided headhunters against anything more durable than an artificer armour Praetor, although they're a lot more reliable about it and they'll obviously take out more non-character infantry if needed.

80 Seeker shots is 10 wounds to an artif praetor, 6.66 to termie praetor and 3.33 to saturnine praetor/primarch.
40 Guided banestrike shots do 8.5, 8.1 and 7.7 respectively, or 5.2/4.8/4.4 to if the targets are EW.

If you had to spend infinity points on glass cannon snipers, maybe one squad of the headhunters and 20 seekers? 800-ish points for the lot, just about kills a 6W primarch and a couple of his escort in one average or better round of fire, and is much more versatile than shoehorning multiple apex detachments into a list because they'll also mow down multiple lesser characters or infantry squads.

there's a section in one of the ultima segmentum books that has a sequence pertaining to the four's more final designs for the grand expanses of the galaxy in the form of vast demon fortresses that begin to blot out the spaces between the stars, a contingent of astartes ships coming face to face with a fathomlessly large facet of such a structure and needing to pull the fuck out of their trajectory

So. Catgirls in power armor are on the menu (abhumans with armoury of the old night).
Would Escher heads with greenstuff ears) on Veletaris bodies work? Obviously I'd have to bulk up the Veletaris slightly, but it'd work, right? Right!?

>>96417085
>>96417104
>The detachment I just filed with the company lists me, my rifle, Alpharius here but only one of you!

>>96417842
Precision hits still wound against majority toughness right? Against T5 (which is what most primarchs are going to be running around in) the 40 seekers output 13.3 precision ap2 wounds.

If wounding isnt against majority toughness ignore all the above.

>>96416087
Yikes. As in, I wish this was true for all vehicles, actually.
No, not really. I'd rather have Pens cause Statuses instead. You know, like it's always been?

>>96418005
Third line makes a joke of armourbane.

>>96417887
I would use Kasrkin bodies if you're going to Shirowmaxx

>>96418000

I was just looking at that exact thing because I realised I wasn't sure how it worked in this edition, and it's not immediately intuitive for snipers targeting a particular model to roll against the toughness of his friends.

I think you are right and precision wounds still target majority toughness, so the Seekers do double or triple the damage I thought they did unless the Primarch is running around with Saturnine Terminators and the Headhunters get bumped up to 4.8/5.2 wounds against a T5 and T4 escort respectively. That's very janky, although good to know for a Mechanicum army - put those Archmagi or Abeyant Magi with bots for better sniper defence.

>>96418046
I dunno, I still prefer to straight up kill a tank rather than do a single HP of damage and a status effect.

>militia firearm description says that it can range from anything, including bow and arrows
who will be the madman that does it and kills a space marine with one?

>>96417887
Where would you shove the tails on a void suit?

>>96416797
Those stls precede that by years.

>>96417105

A few years ago there was a case of a famous gay singer who got busted multiple times for meth use, turns out he and his buddies were using it as a rectal anesthetic/aphrodisiac and were later filtering it from their urine for another go. He had also watched and shared CP, made a 12-year old boy record him engaging in sodomy and his dealer was a part of the country's largest CP ring. Not cool at all.

>>96417887
I've seen a small warband some years before so if you can pull that for an entire army yes.

>>96418074
>Heresy era Catachans

>>96418005
We get it anon
You've said the same thing in every thread since the edition released
Are you going to get over it at some point or is this going to be a regular for the next 3 years?

what is the math between autocannons and culverins? i am looking at the artillery apex detachment from militia and i am kind of temped to get start a project of 6 to 8 heavy weapons squads with culverins as part of my Kampfgruppe Terra

>Beastmaster Troop with Caimans
Today just got a lot more freaky.

>>96417887
Fuck you and your gay shit. Use GS for facial and body hair and that's it.

>>96418191

If it's tougher than a 1W MEQ use an autocannon, if it's a 1W MEQ or squishier use the volkite. Conveniently there aren't that many multiwound models with bad saves outside of enemy Militia, since there it depends on the exact stats of the target. Both do about the same damage to T3 4+ Solar Aux, AC only edges out the volkite while both are stationary by 5% or so.

>>96418197
As someone not familiar with militia is this worth it at all lmao. 1 s5 ws3 attack at i2 doesn’t really seem worth it for 15 pp caiman

>>96418191
>Autocannons: 2 damage, want to shoot multi-wound models and light vehicles
>Volkite culverins: more shots and deflagrate, want to shoot chaff and MEQ infantry
Hard to compare weapons that have entirely different purposes now.

>>96418245
I'm not here to win, I'm here to farm aura. My mining union now has an illegal caiman fighting ring. It's also hilarious that Raptors are anti grav.

>>96418149
god I want to collect catachans so fucking much but the base kit just sucks ass compared to the command squad and HWT kits

Looking at Iron Havocs this edition and their ignoring cover saves only really seems to be useful for a lascannon squad

is it habbening? am i late to militia?

>>96418390
yes, the PDFs are already sold out

>96418272
>I'm not here to win, I'm here to farm aura.
That's just militia in general are supposed to be so you're doing something right

>>96418405
oh no, i'm too late

>>96418456
I'm sorry anon, now you'll have to play Custodes

>>96418469
you can't make me go back to the oil pits, i'd rather die

>>96418489
But.. you've already posted the yellow bird. Without realizing it, you're already halfway there.

>>96418061
Giant muscle mommy catgirls in power armor?

>>96418097
Same place as the marine's limbs in Saturnine armor.

>>96418140
Not sure if I have it in me to make a full army. Was thinking a small allied force.

>>96418227
True, sufficiently poofy hair should hide the ears anyway, but adding chest floof might be a step too far.

>>96418501
Surely there must be an all-women Shield Host headquartered within the Imperial Palace.

>>96417077
dont get me wrong, the fourth was instrumental because of their mastery of siege tactics but also their willingness to enact them. horus was on a clock and had inferior numbers, his only chance was to siege terra. IW still took a beating inevitably because of the nature of the plan but they were used to it at that point.

>astartes have an 11% chance of dying if they get hit by a fucking bow and arrow
Truly pathetic, Warhammer powerscalers will never recover from this PDF

>>96418338
>their ignoring cover saves only really seems to be useful for a lascannon squad
Too bad, anon. Gotta pay +60 pts for their autocannons now

Militia chads, how is the list building going? Any new unit or options that you are excited to make?

>>96418177
The dust settled, but it doesn't feel right for me. Does it, for you?

>>96418603
Well I play GSC in 40k and 30k now, so that's fucking sick. I can also buy picrel to add to my collection and actually play them. I see why you can spam grenadiers, they make so many units with how customizable they are. All my acolytes and orkalytes are going to be them.

>>96418615
Yes. We've been over it a million times.
Non penetrating hits that don't damage the structure of the tank can still damage outside equipment like sights, guns and tracks, which results in the equivalent statuses.
This is standard military practice in real life to deal with armor you can't penetrate.
Game play wise it also makes a lot more sense to have statuses apply only 1/6 of hits instead of all the times you penetrate, specially when most anti tank weapons have armourbane.
You just don't like it cuz it's different, even if it makes more sense and it's more fun to play with and against compared to your tank being fucking useless for the rest of the game every time it gets penned and/or being able to glance vehicles to death really easily

>>96418651
I'm so jealous the Militia get the Tauros. It's such a lovely kit.

>>96418736
NTA but turning a reactor into swiss cheese with lascannons and leaving it with 1/5 HP but it's still at 100% fighting efficiency and armor value is fucking stupid and you know it. Sure glances can be hand waived as non terminal damage to systems etc, but pens should absolutely do something other than "number go down on tank until tank dies with zero other influence on gameplay".

>>96418736
>it makes more sense that a gun that blows the tank in half killing half the people inside doesn't interfere with operation
KYS
He clearly doesn't like it because it's not realistic or fun. A 150mm cannon always has a much higher chance its shell that successfully tore through the actual armor will have shredded the tracks, broken wheels, destroyed the gun breach, tore the aiming system to pieces and eliminated several crew members inside the vehicle (it really slows down reloading when the guy whose job is to reload happens to be dead)
It's something you have to be seriously mentally retarded to struggle with understanding for even 1 second. Only complete and fucking morons (like the british) would ever think its how tank combat goes.

>>96418781
>>96418790
You can go play 40k if you like tanks that turn to shit when they lose wounds

>>96418809
>Tanks that are smoking, armor is slag, half dead crew, thrown track, ammo cooked off should be 100% efficient in combat within the narrative game unless the weapon just scratches their paint and does no damage.
Go and stay go

>anons talking about using GSC or Necromunda models with Militia rules
>Me thinking about playing 30k Orks with it

>>96417010
he's nothing special. It's 165 points to attempt a single shot, which half the time does not crit (so dmg1 if having to move, and only dmg2 if stationary). Say the opponent ignores him and he gets an even spread, so 1 crit moving, 1 crit stationary, 1 non-crit moving, 1 non-crit stationary and game ends. Before even rolling to wound that's a total dmg 8, wounding on 3+s average was 5.3, and getting past the dreadnought's 5++ was 3.5 wounds and game ended. Provided the enemy let him go all 4 turns without simply killing him - he killed half a contemptor across 4 turns that costs the same points exodus costs.

That's bad output against dreadnoughts, and his gun is totally ineffective against tanks, so it's hard to find a situation where exodus isn't simply worse than buying a 10man Seeker unit which has far more damage output.

>>96413809 (OP)
Where did this art come from? Why are the lascannons blue and not yellow like they have been for the last 40 years?

>>96418966
>Where did this art come from?

>>96418980
I love this art because it makes that one anon seethe about flamers every time it gets posted

>>96418882
How would you play 30k orks? Beast meme + feral worlder?

>>96418997
>Promethium can't melt plasteel!

>>96418997
And nobody ever points the real issue: why the Spartan is painted in WE colours?

I find it interesting that a lot of the stuff in this Militia update are things that were in fanmade docs like the Liber Imperatus.

I know a lot of people shit on the Panoptica folks for all the reasons including their core revisions being goofy, but their Libers had lots of fun and interesting units and options for basement narrative players like myself. Big fan of this kinda thing.

>>96419015
Something like that, yeah. The real issue is how to proxy Nobs and Warbosses

>>96418882
I can see it. You could also do small bands of Dark Eldar, Corsairs, or Exodites. Add in mechanicum for Necrons and you have quite the spread for great crusade content.

>>96419043
These are all too elite for Militia, but orks are perfect. Even the looted vehicles with third line fits them perfectly.
Their HQs are the issue. It's hard to proxy a killy Warboss...

>>96418882
Already been thinking about doing the same thing in 2.0. Anything is better than having to play 10th.

>>96419060
nah, orks are rubbish for militia too. They're supposed to be far stronger and tougher than humans, closer to an ogryn than to a guard conscript.
S3 T3 doesn't match them at all. Nothing in the militia list resembles orks even slightly.

>>96419060
Gene-crafted is literally psuedo battle focus and splinter weaponry

>>96419037
2.0 militia had a shitload of stuff first seen in the 1.0 mournival homebrews so it's nothing new.

>>96419079
Pay attention to Provenances, anon. Kinfolk helots makes them T4, for example

>>96419079
Kinfolk Helots are orks and it even gives you meganobz. Add in Endless Horde or Abhuman Muster and you have Orkz baseline.

>>96419119
>Assuming people on /hhg/ read the rules
Lol. Lmao, even.

>>96419088
Gene-crafted is gene-crafted, wanna play a splinter group of selenars? Go ahead.

>>96418882
Thought the same in 2.0 but they really don't have good melee weapons

>>96419106
Fair enough, I haven't looked through those but I think I should.

>>96419148
Why does that dude's gun have a ballsack?

>>96419165
...does your gun not have a ballsack?

>>96419060
Gene crafted + legacy of the dark age makes grenadiers into proto dark eldar, the only problem is I3 instead of the standard eldar I5.

Craftworlders aren't doable but they barely even existed during the Heresy. Certainly the path system hadn't been formalised by Asurmen yet.

there are some proportional variances that dicking around with models in the slicer couldn't properly account for and only found partial remedy on the other side of things but i'm actually reasonably pleased with the shape these guys will take relative to the present plastics and older fw scales of dudes, scaling much down any further would start to impinge in its own ways i think and i'm all about some size nuance between marines anyhow
plan is to have a few of them sprinkled into each of a few tactical squads as i find them to die for, otherwise

>>96419149
They don't need to be OP. Orks are supposed to win with numbers

>>96419175
Great crusade, not dark age, the one that makes you BS4.

BS4 grenadiers rushing around with assault needlers sounds pretty fun ngl. You could also use quads to carry needler cannons and strap lascannons on ridgerunners to make a mobile force.

>>96419151
gofile.io/d/PnTl5c
Here, I don't think it's all there out there by the mournival team is but it's almost everything.

>>96418603
the cop provenance was a surprise, the only new one I think; being able to combine weapons from different provenances is interesting too

Cavalry Troops with lances have either got to kill you first round on the charge or they're dead; they've lost a bit (tighter controls on wargear, melta lances are gone) and gained a bit (lances are D2 instead of Brutal (2), 2W models now, militia pistols are worse than auto/laspistols) but Firestorm is good and Impact (S) makes chainswords into chainaxes for a round (and improves chainaxes almost into marine with chainaxe), and shock mauls/tainted implements are both improved by Impact (S) as well, I can see that Apex Detachment getting some use even if it's just someone's old Bretonnians; Abhuman Muster with Cavalry Troops is probably fun too

Sentinels are much improved and I can see them doing the heavy lifting in a lot of lists, transports are improved, Ogryns are improved (ripper guns as standard, cheaper than before), dune buggies are a nice addition, Go To Ground is good (for units with 20 models it'll preserve a lot of them, and it doesn't prevent Irregulars from scoring), the Industrial Tools good, mining lasers look like a good way to keep Vehicles away from Objectives or choke points

Rapier Troops has a "Legionary" typo that needs correcting but from context the meaning is obvious

haven't had enough time to digest the combinations with Provenances but it's looking solid, Knight armies should be happy too - don't need a Force Commander to get a single Provenance for their special Detachment

>>96419175
Not true, by the HH there were Aspect Warriors around. Eldrad is accompanied by several when he tries to warn Fulgrim too late.

>>96419200
shit, I keep forgetting to remove the sage, sorry

>>96419190
yes but they are also supposed to be good in melee to some degree and I don't thin you can't really make deffdreads or kans or mega nobs.
Seems fine if you want to do speedfreeks for some reason they got a lot of vehicles and bikes now

>>96419213
why'd you put sage in your name field

>>96419211
I'm afraid to open this image given what it's replying to

>>96419165
Emps thinks he can take Luna and yet his men don't even have balls under their guns, baka.

>>96419220
yes they can't be played 1:1 as in 40 but I'd say that they shouldn't be anyway.
30k orks should not be le funny hooligan orks of 40k. They should be more serious, and the rules open new types of converted units for them

>>96419264
>baka
I forgot about the word filters lmfao.