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Anonymous No.96448948 [Report] >>96449177 >>96449222 >>96451808 >>96465269 >>96466831 >>96484870
Warhammer Appreciation Thread
You know what time it is, post kino wh40k/AoS pics and games that just make you want to get down to the LGS and PLAY!
Anonymous No.96448984 [Report]
What a wonderful thread.
Anonymous No.96449177 [Report] >>96449222 >>96449556 >>96449648 >>96449952 >>96506768 >>96522475 >>96548048
>>96448948 (OP)
Anonymous No.96449188 [Report]
lmao. Moar.
Anonymous No.96449222 [Report] >>96449364 >>96490312
>>96449177
>>96448948 (OP)
These pics remind me of another point: 40k players don't want to play a wargame with armies. They want big machines/monsters and superheroes.
Anonymous No.96449364 [Report] >>96449619 >>96471971 >>96506456
>>96449222
You know the game is fucked when the rules have to force the players to take a minimum number of "troops" or else there would be zero infantry on the table
Anonymous No.96449393 [Report] >>96449466 >>96449631 >>96455759 >>96522475 >>96547872
age of sigmar has pure kino too!
Anonymous No.96449466 [Report] >>96449556 >>96548048
>>96449393
Holy fuck this one is bad kek
Anonymous No.96449556 [Report] >>96449599
Before I saw >>96449177 I always thought unpainted >>96449466 was the true cancer. Holy shit... I know 40k stopped being a wargame sometime after 6e, but what the fuck 40keks?
Anonymous No.96449599 [Report] >>96449624 >>96449648 >>96449675 >>96506768
>>96449556
It gets worse
Anonymous No.96449619 [Report]
>>96449364
They got rid of this in the latest edition*. They aren't even pretending anymore.

>buh-buh-buh infantry are weak! I need totally elite heroes and big tankz, or else.. or else I'll have too many casualties! I deserve it! My opponent should still give me lotz of targets, tho

*10th. Imagine a game that needs a rules overhaul every 3 years.
Anonymous No.96449624 [Report]
>>96449599
At this point why even use minis or """terrain"""? Just use those stupid cards and roll some dice or whatever.
Anonymous No.96449631 [Report]
>>96449393
At least the armies are painted
Anonymous No.96449648 [Report] >>96449675 >>96481329 >>96486042
>>96449599
>>96449177
Not only are these faggots using nothing but L-ruins; not only are they fucking CLEAR; not only are there dinner plates everywhere... they're using street mats and their "buildings" don't even fit the street plan. Stand-alone buildings in the middle of the road, no city blocks, just completely haphazard construction.

40k players, get in here and defend yourselves, you subhumans.
Anonymous No.96449675 [Report]
>>96449648
And here I thought a windowless wall was stupid. Lo and behold, the 40k competitive crowd keeps on pushing the envelope. What's next? Playing on screens with generated terrain? No, scratch that - that would be better than whatever the fuck >>96449599 is.
Anonymous No.96449843 [Report] >>96449857 >>96449885 >>96449919 >>96450334 >>96522475
You can't make this shit up
Anonymous No.96449857 [Report] >>96449880 >>96449946 >>96450417 >>96506782
>>96449843
How much would total amount of actual terrain kits needed for all those tables cost and how much time would be needed to assemble and paint all of them?
Anonymous No.96449880 [Report] >>96449912
>>96449857
If anon's pic is the best they could manage, they shouldn't have held the event at all.

Also-
>terrain kits needed
Get this: people can make their own terrain.
Anonymous No.96449885 [Report]
>>96449843
My first RTT was a similar experience. And I get that terrain is expensive, I really do. But if you are a fucking gaming club nowadays, there's literally no excuse for not buying a bambu and having it work 24/7 churning out decent quality terrain. Gesso + acrylic gets your terrain painted in 10 minutes.
Anonymous No.96449912 [Report] >>96449957 >>96449976 >>96449992 >>96450449 >>96452378 >>96455218
>>96449880
>people can make their own terrain.
How is it fair for the tournament attendants if every table has different terrain?
Anonymous No.96449919 [Report]
>>96449843
Me sitting on the back row with nothing but artillery tanks, You trying to push..
Anonymous No.96449946 [Report] >>96449963
>>96449857
The story behind this is that the organizers waited like two days prior to the event to start churning out terrain. The solution would have been to not be low IQ niggers and actually plan for the future so they didn't have to churn out last minute slop. Also, players can and should be required contribute terrain to the event. Look at any Mordheim event. Dozens of tables of masterfully built lovingly crafted thematic and immersive boards. Literally only in Warhammer 40k communities are players too lazy and low effort to make some shit themselves. Hell, look at the OP, it seems like 40 shitters can't even finish assembling their models before giving up
Anonymous No.96449952 [Report]
>>96449177
Why?
NovAnon No.96449957 [Report] >>96450099 >>96451782
>>96449912
>How is it fair for the tournament attendants if every table has different terrain?
Wargames are narrative experiences, not competitive ones. Here have some terrain from the TC boards at Nova this weekend
Anonymous No.96449963 [Report]
>>96449946
That's less of a 40kek thing and more of a comp player thing. "I'm not assembling this model, as I'll probably sell it later and the balance patch is incoming"
Anonymous No.96449976 [Report]
>>96449912
Waaah WAAAAHHH it's not FAIR!!!!!
Anonymous No.96449992 [Report] >>96475714
>>96449912
(I was assuming this post is a joke, but in case it isn't)

>every table has different terrain
Sounds amazing, if there's a high enough standards.

And what the other anon said: mini wargames are by nature not suited to fairness or competitive play.
Anonymous No.96449998 [Report]
>go into a porto-john
>take a picture of the heap of shit inside
>go home
>post about how the huge heap of shit inside the porto-john is ruining bathrooms
Anonymous No.96450016 [Report] >>96450200 >>96450334 >>96454590
Anonymous No.96450099 [Report] >>96450305 >>96450345
>>96449957
It's a tournament retard probably with an entry fee. If you're going to a tournament you're not there for a narrative experience.
>hur dur there shouldn't be wargame tournaments!!
But there are and the organizer has to meat some standards to make it a fair competition.
You're sperging about something you clearly don't understand
Anonymous No.96450200 [Report] >>96450328
>>96450016
this wouldn't look too bad if the players didn't leave their cards and trinkets spilled all over the fucking table like baboons
the table next to them looks way better though
Anonymous No.96450305 [Report] >>96540067
>>96450099
>It's a tournament retard probably with an entry fee. If you're going to a tournament you're not there for a narrative experience.
>hur dur there shouldn't be wargame tournaments!!
>But there are and the organizer has to meat some standards to make it a fair competition.
>You're sperging about something you clearly don't understand

Anon, I just showed proof that I had been in a tournament with a $40 entry fee in the last two days. I understand that perspective, it's just immaterial in what a war game is and what they're about. I'm now going to stop feeding the trolls because they're retarded and just looking for attention.
Anonymous No.96450328 [Report]
>>96450200
I can't stand when people litter the play area with all their shit. Warhammer hogs are very notorious about this
Anonymous No.96450334 [Report] >>96450419
>>96449843

I liked the original of this post where the Infinity players were in the next hall taking the piss.

>>96450016

What's going on with the Bretonnians? Are they supposed to be Slaneesh corrupted or is the player just doing them in troon colors to make a statement?
Anonymous No.96450342 [Report] >>96548048
Anonymous No.96450345 [Report] >>96451288
>>96450099
If you can't adapt to different terrain layouts (not bad, just different. Maybe bad too.) then I don't think you have the right to say you're actually good at the game.
Anonymous No.96450417 [Report] >>96450648 >>96486422
>>96449857
>Hold a concert
>Charge people to attend the concert
>Fail to organise any instruments or speaker systems for said concert
>"BuT AnON, how much time and money would be needed to prepare and install all that audio equipment and sound check all of it?"
Anonymous No.96450419 [Report]
>>96450334
the peasant unit has slaanesh whip bits so i presume they're going for slaanesh bretonnians, but it is a warhammer tournament so i wouldnt be surprised if it were the other case too
Anonymous No.96450449 [Report]
>>96449912
>How is it fair for the tournament attendants if every table has different terrain?
Literally just tell each contributor what size of footprint their piece of terrain should have, what theme the board is, and what kind of terrain it should be (e.g. low linear obstacle) and let the contributors make whatever they want within those guidelines, and then all the contributed terrain gets spread across all the tables. Like a terrain secret Santa. It's really not difficult, unless you can't see beyond the end of your own nose.
Anonymous No.96450460 [Report] >>96450499 >>96478426 >>96483064 >>96486422 >>96548048
the peak of the wargaming hobby on full display!
Anonymous No.96450499 [Report] >>96450955
>>96450460
I would pack up my things and leave if I went to a tournament and this is the best they could come up with. It's straight up disrespectful to the players
Anonymous No.96450648 [Report] >>96450811 >>96450835 >>96451115 >>96451145
>>96450417
In this case the organiers did provide eveything needed to play the music, while you cry that the the violins are off-brand
Anonymous No.96450811 [Report]
>>96450648
It's very odd for you to defend their low efforts. I wonder what you have to gain from simping for them
Anonymous No.96450835 [Report]
>>96450648
>eveything needed to play the music
Anonymous No.96450955 [Report] >>96452446
>>96450499
God the soulgrinders look so fucking bad
Anonymous No.96451115 [Report]
>>96450648
>Concert
>In big concert hall
>No instruments or sound system
>"bUT aNoN the musicians were still able to play some music"
Yeah because that sounds like a concert that people would pay money for and not expect a refund.
At this point I'm going to assume you simply must be being disingenuous, because it's just not possible to be so oblivious to this issue otherwise.
Anonymous No.96451145 [Report] >>96452141
>>96450648
>the terrain is just off-brand bro
Anonymous No.96451288 [Report] >>96451370 >>96452168
>>96450345
rambling untethered from any understanding of game theory or strategy. unbalanced terrain decides games before they begin if your game has shooting worth a shit.
Anonymous No.96451370 [Report] >>96451534 >>96451765
>>96451288
Why aren't you playing chess instead, tourneyfag?

- balanced
- meant for pure competition
- involves actual prestige (literally nobody on earth gives a shit if you're good at mini wargames; if anything, it only makes you look like a faggot)
- no need for painting, modeling, creating terrain
Anonymous No.96451534 [Report] >>96451711
>>96451370
Because competitive chess actually requires intense mental focus, research and study, the ability to dress presentable, and a high IQ. All of these requirements essentially bar 40kucks from the game
Anonymous No.96451711 [Report] >>96451755
>>96451534
That can't be. I was informed they were all master tacticians. Surely that should translate?
Anonymous No.96451755 [Report] >>96451788
>>96451711
>Master tacticians
Indeed!
Anonymous No.96451765 [Report] >>96451794 >>96451798
>>96451370
because painting and modeling are fun
Anonymous No.96451782 [Report]
>>96449957
I flip the dice to all 6's and table you on turn 1.
What, mad? That's not fair? It's a narrative experience faggot, it's not meant to be fair, real wars are like this, and if you bitch again I'm going to stomp on your gay little plastic minis.
Anonymous No.96451788 [Report]
>>96451755
Should ensure ultra-tight grouping in the impact zone. Impressive. Would estimate that player would have an ELO of at least 1700/1800, after the initial learning of the ropes.
Anonymous No.96451794 [Report]
>>96451765
Tourneyfags can't paint for shit. They're the true "casuals."
Anonymous No.96451798 [Report] >>96451871
>>96451765
You can paint and model chess pieces and the boards if you want. What's the matter? Don't want to do it? Why not? It's so much more balanced and competitive dude!
Anonymous No.96451808 [Report] >>96451845
>>96448948 (OP)
What is the reason they didn't bother fully assembling their knights?
Anonymous No.96451845 [Report]
>>96451808
WAACfag wanted to counter his next opponents list so ran to the shelves and bought several knights and then hastily clipped them off the sprues and glued the bare minimum pieces together
Anonymous No.96451871 [Report]
>>96451798
that sounds fun too
Anonymous No.96452141 [Report] >>96452304 >>96486972
>>96451145
>here's your instrument bro
Anonymous No.96452168 [Report]
>>96451288
Doesn't the game let the guy going second decide which side he wants? They do that, right? Like you have a stratefic decision between striking first or having a more advantageous starting position? Like some kind of... game mechanic or tactical decision or something?
>but what if the table was dogshit?
There isn't a binary between unplayable shit and perfectly symmetrical prescribed slop? Cope.
Anonymous No.96452304 [Report]
>>96452141
>If wuz mi first gitR, dnt ru iN it
Anonymous No.96452378 [Report] >>96475708
>>96449912
Its fair because the game is more interesting when it looks thematic. Tournaments have indirectly robbed 40k of fun. Its so difficult to find a match now due to "its not a tourney list."
Anonymous No.96452381 [Report] >>96452412 >>96455707
ITT: Anons have difficulty comprehending storage logistics and the concept that people can enjoy the same thing differently.
Anonymous No.96452412 [Report]
>>96452381
no we just think they are retarded fags for enjoying it
Anonymous No.96452426 [Report] >>96506808
I didn't know ADB tried to an hero. Apparently been a while since, but not much in the way of updates. Hope the guy is okay.
Anonymous No.96452446 [Report]
>>96450955
Anonymous No.96454550 [Report] >>96468884 >>96548048
Anonymous No.96454590 [Report]
>>96450016
Whats with the ice cream sticks?
Anonymous No.96455218 [Report]
>>96449912
This was the terrain we had in my third world country. If I recall correctly it was around 5th edition.
Do not mind the cardboard drop pods, I made them the night before because I was a dumb kid and summited the meme list instead of the correct list, almost won though
Anonymous No.96455707 [Report]
>>96452381
>storage logistics
A pair of connected flat panels on a rectangular base, fully painted weathered and flocked, takes up exactly the same space as a pair of connected wireframes on a plain MDF rectangle. Nothing to do with storage issues.
Anonymous No.96455759 [Report]
>>96449393
This one would be basic but okay if not for the horrible objective markers
Anonymous No.96458002 [Report]
Anyone got some quality greytide to share?
Anonymous No.96460941 [Report] >>96466121 >>96468357 >>96468779 >>96470804 >>96471182 >>96490759 >>96501062
As much as I love the game, the lore, the models, the best part of Warhammer™ is our community.
Anonymous No.96465269 [Report] >>96466316
>>96448948 (OP)
So is the joke that everyone posts horror?
Anonymous No.96465587 [Report] >>96466105 >>96466155
Anonymous No.96466105 [Report]
>>96465587
>Giant blobs of dudes mashed together just advancing towards each other
>Tanks "hiding," whilst infantry freely walk in the open
Truly, a game for strategists and scholars
Anonymous No.96466121 [Report] >>96467248
>>96460941
You'd make a fortune if you set up a booth at this event selling hair loss pills
Anonymous No.96466155 [Report] >>96466259 >>96466613
>>96465587
if you have a few trillion troops ready to take their place infantry is more expendable than vehicles
Anonymous No.96466259 [Report] >>96466271 >>96466765
>>96466155
>trillions of troops
>space Marines and necrons
That's true for neither of these armies
Anonymous No.96466271 [Report]
>>96466259
Necrons could have trillions, we dont know.
Anonymous No.96466316 [Report] >>96506813
>>96465269
You think there's a joke here? This is just a frequently reposted troll thread.
Anonymous No.96466613 [Report] >>96466765
>>96466155
Worlds smartest 40k fan
Anonymous No.96466660 [Report] >>96466765 >>96468377 >>96471625 >>96481359 >>96548048
He has been summoned
Anonymous No.96466765 [Report]
>>96466660
Wearing his T-Sports jersey and all

>>96466259
>>96466613
It's funny, when you point out something retarded about 40k they simply can't accept it in their brains, the immediately begin looking for excuses and coping. There is no reason why infantry happily march in the open and tanks hide behind cover, that makes no sense and defeats the entire purpose of tanks. But they try to rationalize it lmfao
Anonymous No.96466831 [Report] >>96466933 >>96467150 >>96467307 >>96483403 >>96501088
>>96448948 (OP)
I know were all huffing each other fart's about how we don't play 40k and don't take part in how soulless it has become.
>BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT
What are some ways to fix the problems were laughing at?

Read spoiler if you're brave:
I printed and painted some 3D printed terrain, generic sci-fi gothic ruins that were even L shaped then donated them to the LGS. To this day they're still collecting dust while the unpainted MDF stuff is still being used constantly.
Anonymous No.96466933 [Report] >>96467174 >>96467515
>>96466831
It is simply a lost cause at this point and will never recover.
I don't want to waste my evening outlining the problem, but simply put
>GW as a company is no longer a collection of eccentric and passionate creative types, it's ran by talentless corporate minded millennials
>the entire core of the game (the rules) encourages slop and discourages creative expression and hobbying
>the community itself has attracted the absolute worst types of players in the entire tabletop wargaming hobby, and they are not leaving. Even if you "fixed" GW and the awful rules writing, you would have to forcibly evict all current players are replace them with something else for the game to be good again
Anonymous No.96467150 [Report]
>>96466831
People will build a superiority complex out of anything they can to feel special.
In this case it is by not playing the most popular wargame. Hipster mentality really.

That said there’s lots of problems with 40k and 40k players and it must be pointed out and ruthlessly mocked to hopefully give them the reality check they need to be better wargamers and hobbyists.
Anonymous No.96467174 [Report] >>96467232 >>96467374 >>96539916
>>96466933
>core of the game (the rules) encourages slop and discourages creative expression and hobbying
what current rules exactly discurage creative expression and hobbying?
Anonymous No.96467232 [Report]
>>96467174
Tournament play requiring gw Models only discourages a lot of customization of models with third party or bits from other manufacturers. That’s the first thing I can name off the top of my head.
Anonymous No.96467248 [Report] >>96467457
>>96466121
Post body
Anonymous No.96467307 [Report]
>>96466831
The cause is primarily the players themselves who play this way and see no issue with it. In order to rid the hobby of this type of slop we'd need to shift the culture of the hobby entirely and shun soulless compfag games and players like this.
The only other option is for GW to completely rewrite the 40k rules to be like Necromunda or Mordheim where the game is fundamentally opposed to competitive play and doesn't work in it at all since the randomness and scenarios can completely fuck even the most well thought strategy and list up the ass, or snowball an army out of control, to a much higher degree than 40k's dice rolls. This not only makes the game unappealing to compfags but also encourages things like houserules and a game master
Anonymous No.96467374 [Report]
>>96467174
The warrior options from the henchmen squad of an Inquisitor from 3rd edition has more creative options than any modern codex.
You get to choose up to 3 models that can be in any combination:
>Combat Servitor
>Gun Servitor
>Crusader
>Veteran Guardsmen with: flamer, grenade launcher, hellgun, hellpitol & close combat weapon, meltgun, plasma gun or shotgun
Things like the acolyte henchmen has access to the armory so the random dudes can have access to pistols, combi weapons, melee weapons, power armor, carapace armor, bionics, etc. Then you have the inquisitor model itself and whatever transport itself that could also have all sort of dumb thing.
The very process of list building encourage you to make your army and models unique, current list building, result in rather samy list. Since there is no reason to ever take suboptimal option.
Like for example lets say the squad can have a guy with lasguns for 8 points, Bolters for 3 points per model, heavy bolter for 10 and a plasma canon for 20.
A naked squad with just lasguns would cost 40 points. You add a heavy bolter and you have a nice 5 man squad with some range to threaten something and gun down some already dead squad. Maybe just make a squad bigger like 10 models with just bolters since the rest of your army has enough fire power. Or you have some points left and add some random dude and bulk this squad up
In 10th? The squad would cost 75 points and still come with just 5 guys with lasguns, but would give you the options to equipe them how you like for "free". At this point there is no reason to ever not give everyone a Bolter and add the plasma canon. You had some points left? Fat chance you can't add a random dude you can only buy 5 o 10 guys.
The entire thing limits how you build your army
I've experience the mess of squad size for example a lot with Sisters of Battle they have gone from 5-10, 10-20, 5-15 and all kind of random of combinations and gear limitations.
Anonymous No.96467457 [Report] >>96468084
>>96467248
Finally someone asks me
Anonymous No.96467515 [Report] >>96467565 >>96492011 >>96506895 >>96518838
>>96466933
What are some things one can do to enjoy 40k but not be part of the problem?
Anonymous No.96467565 [Report] >>96471253 >>96506837
>>96467515
Play 4th with 3rd edition codex.
Play Necromunda
Build cool dudes and armies.
Build cool tables to play with said cool dudes and armies
Anonymous No.96468084 [Report]
>>96467457
I would DRAIN your pipe
Anonymous No.96468357 [Report] >>96468509
>>96460941
>0 women
>The only non-white dude is litteraly security
Kek
Anonymous No.96468377 [Report]
>>96466660
This thing was at nova last weekend holy shit
Anonymous No.96468509 [Report] >>96470581
>>96468357
The way you describe sounds amazing, too bad its all losers instead of normal dudes. When normal white men gather together without minorities and women - great things happen
Anonymous No.96468752 [Report] >>96470694
Why are all the 40k tables just cardboard ruins ? Did all the factions agree to only to fight in cities now ?
Anonymous No.96468779 [Report]
>>96460941
I finally understand why they shrank the battlefield. Its so you dont have to leave gaps for players to walk around so they can cram in in the trournies like sardines.
Anonymous No.96468884 [Report]
>>96454550
The new location better have good terrain.
Anonymous No.96470581 [Report] >>96471395
>>96468509
>its all losers
only half of them
Anonymous No.96470694 [Report]
>>96468752
The game is explicitly designed to only work in symmetrical grids of haphazardly designed ruined city blocks where each buildings has been half leveled into an L shape of varying heights.

The game is about fighting for the 3 main “lanes” and your home base, represented by giant circular objectives. Units are no longer customizable beyond your sub faction choice, forced theme lists like the late warmachine.
Anonymous No.96470804 [Report] >>96471150
>>96460941
>get hobby and go to a club you'll find a girlfriend in no time
Anonymous No.96471150 [Report]
>>96470804
>cooking classes, nothing but men
>reading club, nothing but men
>dancing classes, nothing but men
>nitting classes, nothing but men
>bar, finally some women. Nop... at least half of them are men and the other half are twice the size of men
I'm not even asking much just something for someone who does not have their own moons.
Do women just spend their entire day doomscrolling and watching Korean dramas?
Anonymous No.96471182 [Report]
>>96460941
Big pet-peeve of mine: too much fucking shit on the tables. I don't want your datacards, rulebooks, dice tray, dice pouch, vape pen, and pile of random assorted dice strewn all over my table. It totally spoils what little immersion is left.
Anonymous No.96471253 [Report] >>96471858 >>96472663 >>96481298
>>96467565
Better yet is there a current non-GW game I could play instead?
Anonymous No.96471395 [Report]
>>96470581
kek
Anonymous No.96471406 [Report] >>96471435 >>96471801 >>96471932 >>96486247 >>96508803
As a non-wargamer, can someone explain the clear walls to me? What purpose do they serve? Is it some gamplay reason?
Anonymous No.96471435 [Report]
>>96471406
They're used for terrain/cover in game. Someone made these clear versions so that you and your opponent can see each others models at all times so that they don't lose track/forget
Anonymous No.96471625 [Report]
>>96466660
fuck you nigger faggot
Anonymous No.96471801 [Report]
>>96471406
40k isn't played by actual gamers any more, it's the realm of sweatlards and e sport rejects.
Anonymous No.96471858 [Report]
>>96471253

Xenos rampant, it should map to most 40k models quite nicely, and the scale excludes superheavies, knights, fliers and other silliness.
Anonymous No.96471932 [Report]
>>96471406
Cheating is so rampant in this kind of events that some organizers started to use this clear walls to prevent some of the "nuh uh my guys where not there" kind of arguments.
40k tournaments attract the worst kind of people
Anonymous No.96471971 [Report]
>>96449364
They got rid of that rule which is a big reason why 40k tables look awful these days
Anonymous No.96472663 [Report] >>96472772
>>96471253
What is this question? Yes, there are dozens of wargames. Are they played in your area? Who knows, you gotta find out yourself. Ask at local game stores, check online for groups.
Anonymous No.96472772 [Report] >>96481321 >>96481351 >>96489864 >>96518857
>>96472663
Oh autist-kun, your inability to read a simple question is adorable. I'm not asking if other wargames exist outside of GW's stuff, I'm asking what non-gw games capture the spirit of what the other anon was suggesting.
Anonymous No.96472893 [Report]
Anonymous No.96472919 [Report]
heres the warhammer appreciation discord too please join if you like this content

https://discord.gg/mSRYkhvatt
Anonymous No.96475702 [Report]
I know the joke is tho post bad terrain, but having this kind of table has always been a goal of mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWcrIA9mdtg&t=926s
Anonymous No.96475708 [Report] >>96476767 >>96486254
>>96452378
>Tournaments have indirectly robbed 40k of fun. Its so difficult to find a match now due to "its not a tourney list."

It really isn't.
Anonymous No.96475714 [Report]
>>96449992
So then don't got to a tournament?
Anonymous No.96476767 [Report] >>96547773
>>96475708
>usually Asian people are shorter than European
>I've seen tall Asian
Woman moment
Anonymous No.96478426 [Report]
>>96450460
hahhahaha
holy shit
and they did pay for that mdf "product" instead of building it with cardboard
Anonymous No.96481298 [Report] >>96481321
>>96471253
Yes, hundreds
Anonymous No.96481321 [Report] >>96481351
>>96481298

See

>>96472772
Anonymous No.96481329 [Report]
>>96449648
It's just le heckin quality of life, let people enjoy things.
Anonymous No.96481351 [Report] >>96482490
>>96481321
>>96472772
Your fault for not being able to communicate effectively. Work on your English composition
Anonymous No.96481359 [Report] >>96489760
>>96466660
stop posting your bf
Anonymous No.96482490 [Report]
>>96481351
lol, lmao even
Anonymous No.96483064 [Report] >>96483278
>>96450460
>people literally pay hundred if not thounsands of dollars including food and hotels to play on these dogshit tables
40kucks aren't even human
Anonymous No.96483278 [Report]
>>96483064
>40kucks aren't even human
Yeah they're subhuman. We have all known this for a long time
Anonymous No.96483403 [Report]
>>96466831
Bring back terrain placement rules and leadership score rules:
>Team gets strategy points based on amount of leaders/HQ units in list
>Before game starts, decide how many points you want to use to place place pieces of terrain on the field
>If the points you don't use on terrain are modifiers for deciding deployment zones and who starts first.
Anonymous No.96484870 [Report] >>96503234
>>96448948 (OP)
If you give absolutely zero fucks about the look and feel of a wargame why just not play with tokens or maybe even just chess. I have no idea why bother paying GW for expensive miniatures along with assembling and painting them just to play on horrible looking tables.
Anonymous No.96485152 [Report] >>96485997 >>96548048
Deployment of first 2k game back since 5th ed.
Felt good killing tau again
Anonymous No.96485997 [Report]
>>96485152
Kek another one to add to my collection
Anonymous. No.96486042 [Report] >>96486191
>>96449648
40K player here.
This is a compfag.

Now competitive gaming is something like the Black Rage, but for players.
It is a degenerative behavioral condition that eventually results in what you see in many pict-captures in this board of discource.
It is hallmarked by many behaviors such as a hatred of irregular scenery, kitbashed models, non GW plastic (as these are hallmarks of unfamiliar irregularities or the world they shun), even or symmetrical arrangements of regular L-shaped terrain on the board, unpainted or even unassembled armies, obsessive meta-chasing, degrading emotional stability, bodily hygiene, weight gain and exponentially increasing tendencies to subterfuge and cheating, much of which will have been meticulously planned out to estimate how much they're risking to get away with every cheat, and what excuses they may be able to sell.


In reality, any balanced wargamer knows that any subject under GW design, save perhaps for small model count games, is average at best for competitive play experience. Yet due to the brain rot of this condition, these Compfags will fail to identify the cure to their own condition. Because they cannot fathom the idea of narrative play, or having fun with games anymore.
Anonymous No.96486191 [Report] >>96486684
>>96486042
Games like starcraft brood war have been the same for almost 2 decades now. And the meta is constantly evolving and no one that plays casually or professionally would say the game is balanced.
You can at best mitigate the bullshit with how the maps are made and even then the map makers try to make maps that do not look like ass.
One would think that game that got released about the same time as StarCraft would have accumulated enough terrain pieces to avoid the abominations of bland L shape terrains.
But balance between just 3 different armies that are slightly different is almost impossible due to the fact people have wildly different levels of skills and understanding of the game. Trying to balance the cluster fuck that is 40k at an army level is just retarded. Specially when you are changing "Engine" of the game every year or so.
Closest thing GW manage to actually to balance this game was 4th, that was basically 3rd with all the FAQ, Erratas and experimental shit added on.
Anonymous No.96486247 [Report]
>>96471406
Tournament players have strict time limits and chess clocks so they don’t have the time or stamina to walk around a table to see what is behind a wall, so they use clear walls to save time
Anonymous No.96486254 [Report]
>>96475708
>go into lgs
>every single game uses tournament board setups and scenarios
>check out crusade leagues
>same setups and scenarios but they talk about the cool builds they want to get enough xp to try out
Anonymous No.96486422 [Report] >>96486595 >>96486612 >>96486972
>>96450417
answer the question anon, how much would it cost? Your comparison is stupid, it's the differnce between paying 20$ to see a local band and hundreds to see a well produced show with tons of special effects. If you want to pay hundreds for a tournament with good tables you can, but don't complain when your local shop doesn't want to spend time putting all that together for the 20 guys who show up that week.
>>96450460
this is the worst one by far, why even bother with terrain if it's just going to be big ugly cardboard?
Anonymous No.96486595 [Report] >>96486612 >>96486631
>>96486422
>big ugly cardboard
That is not cardboard, that is mdf. Someone had it a machine cut into that shape.
They had the option to cut them into at least some ruin shaped thing or engrave some ancient civilization runes on it like Necrons.
It added nothing extra to the processes, but decided to just have L shaped mdf with nothing on it.
Anonymous No.96486612 [Report] >>96501298
>>96486422
>>96486595
What do you think they are thinking, as they walk into the venue and are met with this abhorrent sight?
Anonymous No.96486631 [Report] >>96486684
>>96486595
>They had the option to cut them into at least some ruin shaped thing or engrave some ancient civilization runes on it like Necrons.
>It added nothing extra to the processes, but decided to just have L shaped mdf with nothing on it.
What are the odds this was on purpose, to avoid overstimulating the clientele and make the tournament 'more accessible'
Anonymous No.96486684 [Report]
>>96486631
Just take the StarCraft example from >>96486191
The map makers could easily make maps as dull as possible to avoid confusion, but they do not do that, they intentionally add decorations and even some environmental story telling. I've seen some maps add little decorations to where a base need to be set optimally to harvest minerally that not only help the players but also looks good for the casual observer.
They absolutely do not need to make a map like picture related (current 2025 map for tournaments), but you are telling me the guys playing a supposedly wargame can't be ass to at least some texture to their tables?
Anonymous No.96486972 [Report]
>>96486422
You're missing the analogy anon, and excusing lazy business practices in the process.
Paying to play at a hosted tournament without proper gaming facilities is not the equivalent of seeing a local band, it's the equivalent of seeing a band that doesn't have any instruments and ends up playing drums on the venue's beer kegs and guitar on a makeshift contraption like >>96452141.
A good 3d printer is £170 brand new these days, and that's not to mention that most people in the hobby now know somebody who already has one so could be borrowed for a nominal fee.
Filament costs £18 per kg for really good stuff.
If the TOs were charging for tickets, then they could have used a fraction of the takings to print a modest set of terrain, and heaven forbid they give it a rattle can undercoat and a zenithal or drybrush. They are, after all, organising a wargaming tournament. "Organising" being used incredibly loosely here. They can even use the same terrain at multiple events at which point it's zero time or monetary investment from event two onwards. All they have to do is set the printer going and take the finished article off a few hours later, and presuming they booked their tournament venue a couple months in advance, they had ample time for this if they were serious about providing value for the ticket fee.
But no, they provide last-minute bare MDF squares or blank styrofoam blocks, not even held together in some cases. That's tantamount to failing to provide the service they took people's money for. No excuse.
Anonymous No.96487590 [Report] >>96548048
The WTC terrain either starts as an L, ends up as an L, or it is a forest, which forms an abstracted L. This is like looking at modern art
Anonymous No.96487609 [Report] >>96490436 >>96548048
>Here is your terrain bro
Anonymous No.96489760 [Report]
>>96481359
that's a woman
Anonymous No.96489864 [Report] >>96491022 >>96494387 >>96506837
>>96472772
how comprensive do you want the list.
my suggestions:
>quar, ryfles, 15mm and the upcoming platoon game.
>warzone the mutant chronicles (pick the reboots you like)
>drop-x-commander. fleet 28mm and 15mm if you'd prefer
>full spectrum dominance 8mm game
>heavygear
>void 2.0
>warmahordes
>falloutwastelandwarfare
>fallout factions
>actung cthulhu
>saga
>turnip28
>trench crusade
>Burrows and Badgers
>infinity
>Starwars legion
>dust 1948
>konflict
>saga
>bolt action
>x- rampant
>stargrave
>oathmark
>battletech
>malifaux
>warpath/other mantic games
>warcrow
>ARGATORIA (it's spellcrow's game)
>Asoiaf
>1490doom
>laserburn (yes technically GW, byran ansel took it in the divorce)
>The Ion Age
>gaslands
>osprey has a single player/multiplayer stalker game
>a thousand smaller games including what your local group does
HAPPY NOW FAGGOT?
Anonymous No.96490312 [Report]
>>96449222
Yeah? Warhammer 40k is a spin-off of Warhammer Fantasy Battles, both of which have featured things bigger than a modern MBT since their first editions? Space Marines have been a core part of 40k since 2nd edition, and Space Marines are superheroes, considering they have super powers.
Anonymous No.96490436 [Report]
>>96487609
But that's actually great, I could spend an afternoon with the boys getting that all painted up, and they're versatile enough to either make multiple small buildings or a couple of gigantic ruins. Not to mention they've let me skipped assembly, which is the most thankless and rotten part of building ruins.
Where can I get this from?
Anonymous No.96490759 [Report]
>>96460941
The average weight here must be 275lbs.
Anonymous No.96490812 [Report] >>96524799
>Play Battletech
>No clear acrylic, no l-shaped ruins, no chess clock, no "footprints"
>Just a few mechs and a paper sheet
Anonymous No.96491022 [Report]
>>96489864
I mean I would've taken two or three, but thanks anon. I really appreciate the suggestions!
Anonymous No.96491625 [Report] >>96500682 >>96548048
played a great game today
Anonymous No.96492011 [Report]
>>96467515
Play 4th.
Play imperial armour scenario campaigns.
Anonymous No.96494387 [Report] >>96497498
>>96489864
Damn. You're a blessing for making such a list, anon.
Now what's the best way to get people to try alternative games to GW games after making both opposing forces for said wargame?
Anonymous No.96497498 [Report] >>96498920
>>96494387
>best way
i forget the saying but finding the right opponents is like half the battle in wargaming. even if you're playing GW which has a lot you want these people to be fun to play against, buddies if you will.
finding/building a community is difficult, people are a herd so it pays to have some like minded people to start with. fucking my local crew started with like 10 people playing one game then hit like 40.
also it pays to put extra work in, if you can show a lot of passion it will draw the eye and help you stand out.

But fastest way is to have social skills and consider your environment.
if you're in a more urban place with a lot of artists you could have a conversion heavy game take off if it doesn't already exist
hunt down local communities first.
if you're literally the only person, then generally have a friend who wants to play it first, people are most interested that ways. they can come by, see you having fun and want to join in.
another method is setting up a group for it, via the messaging App of your choice, set up a demo gram with your LGS (or join a club)
my local sore has a lot of AWG players, we've got people playing Saga, bolt action, forbidden psalm, and a bunch of smaller things.
there's a lot of people, i've met many of the people who play epic in my city whilst playing other games.
i always suggest skirmish first, it's lower effort, lower commitment and allows people to engage in self expression first but it really depends on where you live.
Anonymous No.96498920 [Report]
>>96497498
Personally finding people is not the hard part.
Wrangling the dopamine fucked twats is the hard part.
At least in my country we have encounter the constant issue that people simply won't show up to the events/games
Anonymous No.96499374 [Report] >>96499696 >>96506537
>go to a local tournament to play some mesbg
>stellar tables packed to the brim with color and detail, and since the game is designed to work with dense terrain it doesnt interfere
>on break go look at other tables
>old world is just flat mats with maybe a single terrain piece on the entire map
>infinity is a mess of unpainted mdf kits
>40kek is just literal cardboard L shapes
>only historicals (I think it was flames of war or bolt action) have tables that look impressive
>even blood bowl tables had more effort in their scenery than 40cucks
AoS and 40k piggies are just astonishing. At least old world sloppa has the excuse of rank&flank not working with dense terrain.
Anonymous No.96499696 [Report]
>>96499374
Warhammer fantasy usually just had some hills, a building or two and maybe some forest. A very terrain heavy table had all of those.
Anonymous No.96500682 [Report]
>>96491625
Four "centerpieces."
Anonymous No.96501062 [Report]
>>96460941
Our very very smelly community
Anonymous No.96501088 [Report]
>>96466831
Strict adherence to hygiene and appearance standards.
Anonymous No.96501298 [Report]
>>96486612
>thinking
40k tourney fags don't think
Anonymous No.96503234 [Report]
>>96484870
They have no answer to this.

- Chess
- Go
- Backgammon

All great games, designed for pure competition.
Anonymous No.96505862 [Report]
The greatest miniatures wargame in the world.
Anonymous No.96506456 [Report]
>>96449364
they removed that. now everything is a skew list. there isnt even a reason to run infantry for objectives anymore. vehicles have more oc than infantry because they are big points dude who stand in the magic circle. You can’t even suspend your disbelief and imagine the ground troops are evacuating buildings, securing intel, occupying structures, or doing anything you would need soldiers for because now a fucking dreadnought does more than a squad for some reason and if he touches the arbitrary map circle you get arbitrary victory points
Anonymous No.96506537 [Report]
>>96499374
>At least old world sloppa has the excuse of rank&flank not working with dense terrain.
Not necessarily, it's just that everything about WFB (average table size, scale, size of maneuver elements, movement rates per turn, number of turns per game) makes interacting with terrain overly punitive. If the unit sizes were the same but Priestley wrote it for a table that was 6' deep rather than 4' it would flow a lot better.
Anonymous No.96506768 [Report]
>>96449599
>>96449177
Never, in my wildest imagination, in the absolute depths of my expectations for the sort of retards who support GW post sigmar/8th ed, could I ever have dreamt it would be this this bad.

This is ontologically upsetting.
Anonymous No.96506782 [Report]
>>96449857
Zero you fucking retard, zero total amount. GW offered to loan them free terrain for every table
Anonymous No.96506808 [Report]
>>96452426
I don't, must have read one of his own fucking books
Anonymous No.96506813 [Report]
>>96466316
>Anyone questioning the wisdom of my purchases is a troll
Anonymous No.96506837 [Report] >>96507466
I really don't get the point of this hatewank of a thread.
It doesn't take much effort to find photos of 40k tables that can land anywhere on the spectrum from "presentable" to "very pretty".
>>96489864
>>96467565
>Build cool dudes and armies
The harsh truth is that very few wargames actually put a focus on /yourdudes/ part of things.
Less still are flexible enough to include a wide array of aesthetics.
And as such 40k/AoS/FB/Munda/Mordheim are still one of the best options available and even then Munda/Mordheim are semi-lacking in terms of full on monsters to play as.
Anonymous No.96506895 [Report]
>>96467515
Play old editions and make sure you homebrew the rules, make your own models, rulesets and terrain, wash.
Anonymous No.96507466 [Report]
>>96506837
I've started playing 4th 40k with 3rd codex and the amount of random and stupid crap I can make to make my dudes is insane compared to 10th.
Even armies with meme codex like GSC have more personality while having less units to choose from than modern GSC.
The guys making the 4th project really hate how lame the GSC codex is in 3rd due to how stupid it was made compared to it 2nd edition version
Anonymous No.96508803 [Report] >>96514081
>>96471406
so you can see through it and see any units obscured by the wall. 40k is a dogshit wargame which operates on the rules of an entire army acting first and the enemy has to sit like ducks and eat dirt until its their turn to return the favor. so the best strategy is to just huddle every unit where they cant be shot and wait for a chance to throw out reactive fire, then run units so fucktardedly tanky/spammy/worthless to the midboard to bait your opponent’s valuable units out of cover.
Anonymous No.96514081 [Report] >>96517573
>>96508803
That didn't really answer my question but ok, you do you. :)
Anonymous No.96514166 [Report] >>96533682
Holy fucking shit. I was tempted to pick up 40k again having played 2nd to 6th edition but after reading this thread it looks so fucking ass. I don't even recognize it anymore. Looks like some MOBA-shit with oversized models.
Anonymous No.96517573 [Report]
>>96514081
I explained why its see through and then I explained why the game requires giant LOS blocking terrain boxes all over the board. I think I did answer your question. You’re welcome.
Anonymous No.96518316 [Report] >>96521611
The worst part are the dinner plates, they don't even fit in visually
And, of course, their 'manufacturers' always have the audacity to slap their fucking logo ON A CARDBOARD CIRLE
Anonymous No.96518400 [Report] >>96518429 >>96518787 >>96540442
Is this truke?
Anonymous No.96518429 [Report]
>>96518400
just a little cold, he'll grow his skin back soon
Anonymous No.96518553 [Report] >>96518702 >>96520970 >>96521009
Giant hate boner circlejerk thread. Why did I bother LMAO being this pissed off about nothing is just schizo levels of 1st world problem. WAAAH WAAAH terrain isn't good WAAAAHH WAHHH PAINT YOUR MODELS man fuck you I betcha nobody wants to play with your ass good luck making friends sitting alone in your room with your righteous stance. That's the hill you're gonna die on, you are antisocial not because people are mean or you got bullied but you are the bully now, and then your fucking alone
If you really want to enjoy yourself hell enjoy life, you're not gonna do it on here, doing this really nobody gives a shit about whether or not everything is as perfect as can be most people just want to play the game and have a good time, win or lose all this hate does is push you away from people who would let shit go and make friends that would crucify you for the slightest infraction really just the most minor of inconvenience and then you'll be right back here doing the same shit, again making a terrible thread on a dying board the world would be better if people learned to relax and let stupid shit like bad terrain go, or unpainted models
World isn't gonna change by you yelling at it and telling it off it only changes when you fucking do something else a tree doesn't grow by you chopping it down does it? So what the fuck are we doing here fellas? im so done
Anonymous No.96518702 [Report]
>>96518553
Thanks for broadcasting your bad day to us anon. It will get better tomorrow I promise. <3
Anonymous No.96518787 [Report]
>>96518400
nah, he just restin
Anonymous No.96518838 [Report]
>>96467515
Play single player vidya and read the books
Complete isolationism
Anonymous No.96518857 [Report]
>>96472772
Anonymous No.96520970 [Report]
>>96518553
You okay there, man?
Anonymous No.96521009 [Report]
>>96518553
Anonymous No.96521611 [Report]
>>96518316
its neoprene you dumb fucking nigger
Anonymous No.96522475 [Report] >>96522516 >>96522519
>>96449177
>>96449393
>>96449843
Do 40k games have to be played with symmetrical tables? That looks aweful and boring.
Anonymous No.96522516 [Report]
>>96522475
The tournament people are running the asylum right now so yes.
Anonymous No.96522519 [Report]
>>96522475
Yeah, it's in the rules lmfao. Games gotta be "balanced" like a League of Legends MOBA map brotha
Anonymous No.96524799 [Report] >>96531875
>>96490812
>Just a few mechs and a paper sheet
Excuse you sir, my company sized board has full city terrain with hex hills and trees all over it. It's awesome
Though mat and mech gameplay is still giga comfy
Anonymous No.96529975 [Report]
Weekend's almost here...
Anonymous No.96531875 [Report] >>96533938
>>96524799
Pictures or fake
Anonymous No.96532474 [Report]
This is why i only play 40k with friends. Tourneys are literal cancer.
Anonymous No.96532911 [Report] >>96533682
They're all just clustered in the Ls. Do they ever come out and fight? Is there even room to maneuver giant tanks and blobs of infantry around?
>t. only plays Blood Bowl, Warcry, and Battletech
Anonymous No.96533652 [Report]
How fucking hard would it be to at least spray something in gray, shade, and drybrush? I will never understand those people.
Anonymous No.96533682 [Report]
>>96514166
Buy the 4th ed rules and codexes and adapt any later units you want to the system. Play the fun editions with frens.

>>96532911
From my understanding of it, everything is now so hyper lethal that infantry units get deleted the moment the enemy has los to them.
Anonymous No.96533938 [Report] >>96534186 >>96540099
>>96531875
Your father was a black man who left your pregnant mother when he first heard his seed had taken root
Anonymous No.96534186 [Report]
>>96533938
Cool table. My nigga obsess anon.
Anonymous No.96537800 [Report] >>96537895
Just got back from game day... so much fun. I love the Warhammer Hobby!
Anonymous No.96537895 [Report]
>>96537800
Why do they ALWAYS have a goyslop coke can on their tables?
Anonymous No.96539916 [Report]
>>96467174
It's straight up impossible to play a optimal army at a higher points range without having a big eccentric named commander character like Lucius, The Silent King, Farsight, Typhus, Kharn, Guilliman and the list goes on and on
Sure you can try and kitbash and use the same rules for /yourdudes/ but that's a half assed incomplete solution that's really just trying to hide a corpse under the carpet, it's there we can all smell it and see it
At most you can agree with the other person playing to not use any named characters and with my friends group we have been able to manage that out quite well but it's abundantly clear the armies are meant to work with them unless they're one of the ones without any or one that's not really prevalent like GSC or orkz respectivly
Anonymous No.96540067 [Report] >>96540152
>>96450305
>trench map
>vital supplies and items are stacked exposed outside the trenches

This triggers my autism.
Anonymous No.96540099 [Report] >>96540152
>>96533938
hexes kill it for me. They are tolerable in open space or strategic paper chit scale, but modelled cities and streets on hex grid are just offputting to me.
I think thats one of the reasons i never really tried to get into BT.

Dont get me wrong, thats a cool board, its just me thats being a faggot here.
Anonymous No.96540152 [Report]
>>96540067
Lol now that you mention it... that does also kind of bother me. I'll need to make sure we think about that in the future desu
>>96540099
It's definitely strictly necessary for battletech which is also absolutely not a game for everyone. No shame in that being the case. If the biggest issue is no shit genuinely the hexes though, maybe look up the alpha strike rules variant, it's faster, slightly larger scale, uses inches instead of hexes, and normalizes damage bands. Either anon appreciate that you think my board is cool
Anonymous No.96540442 [Report]
>>96518400
that was clearly intended to be the horrible secret truth when the game was first created, yes. The Imperium has no one at the steering wheel and everyone is just ignoring that the ruler is very clearly dead. "No, the Golden Throne is sustaining him obviously." It's a pretty funny set up.
Anonymous No.96547724 [Report]
Leagues of Votann vs Imperial Guard!
Anonymous No.96547773 [Report]
>>96476767
I'm not saying that it isn't impossible to find a match without it being comp match , aim saying it's not even difficult.
Anonymous No.96547872 [Report] >>96548019
>>96449393
Never saw someone using the ugly circles. We just use a token and rules, nothing of ugly circles. Thats only for tournaments and retard losers who want to play "like official tournaments"
Anonymous No.96548019 [Report] >>96549398
>>96547872
See them all the time at my flgs
Anonymous No.96548048 [Report]
>>96449177
>>96449466
>>96450342
>>96450460
>>96454550
>>96466660
>>96485152
>>96487590
>>96487609
>>96491625

I fucking hate L-ruins. If your battlefield is 50% (or more) L-ruins, i have no sympathy for you, and you deserve to be gangbanged by a herd of hippos, you retarded trash faggot with bad taste.
Anonymous No.96549398 [Report]
>>96548019
Really? damn, thats... horrible. Everyone in my LGS think they are anti-aesthetic and lazy.