Thread 96451385

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>>96448112

>Thread Question:
What is your favorite T-Sport?

Anyone else thinking about the new Ravenguard set?

TQ:Honestly, I'm just as much into M:tG (kinda burned out on current formats, but still strong with EDH) and Lorcana as a tabletop sport.

>>96451455
Why do they keep trying to force that stupid open cockpit dreadnaught that no one likes?

>>96451385 (OP)
Post models, oh wait you can't hahahaha

my favorite T-sport is World War D

>>96451476
Then they'll have to start liking them. Gotta bloat the product range. Management says more Marine units.

How do I pilot Necrons bros? I bought all the proper stuff for a meta list but it isn’t quite working out

>>96451531
Is this satire?

>>96451544
This is the T-sport general???

Realism>game balance. Make 40k (the game) as realistic as possible within the fantastical context.

Dark Eldar refresh is coming any day now. I can feel it.

>>96451478
Ew

>>96451555
This is a post typed by nomodels hands

>>96451563
I love the DE, but seriously why would you want another refresh? Literally every single refresh has looked WORSE than the middlehammer predecessors.

>>96451574
>This is a post typed by nomodels hands

>>96451555
Based simulationist poster

>>96451455
If this also had the jump pack gravis guys in it, it would be the ultimate all-in-one garbage primarishit collection.

>>96451581
The updated Craftworlder stuff looks good. DE will be the similar (I can feel it).

>>96451589
> Lmao that this nigga who participates in the hobby this general is fucking ABOUT
Literally why are you here?
Shouldn't you be slobbering on the knob of whatever LoreTuber you patronize?

Recent Meganobz. Might be my best work yet.

>>96451629
I rescind this based post after seeing you are a nogames fag >>96451589

>>96451589
You’re the same but with no models either

>>96451555
maybe the Space Fantasy setting of Warhammer 40,000 is not for you, anon. have you considered >>96446708 ?

>>96451640
The guardian defenders are the only upgraded kit, everything else was a downgrade

>>96451661
Reinstate it. Now.

>>96451667
All the new Aspects are good. People bitch about the Dark Reapers' faces, but they look fine in person. Modular Autarch kits is nice. Warlocks are admittedly a downgrade (an the kit is stupidly priced).

>>96451677
I will on the condition you post models

what is the BEST point limit to play 40k at?
There can be only one

>>96451698
0

>>96451698
0

What if I like how Tau infantry and vehicles look, but hate most of the mech suit designs

>>96451698
1500 on a proper 6x4

>>96451725
Truth. But you need FOC limitations.

>>96451725
Thats what I played today, was pretty one sided.

>>96451723
Then play what you like and think is cool? What other answer were you looking for, you ass eating faggot

>>96451736
Whoa…

>>96451736
rude

>>96451660
How did you do the base?

Anons, did you all decide on your kitbash?

>>96451833
Yea A Blood Dragon Knight using the new model for Questoris.

>>96451736
This concept mind breaks the 40shitter

>>96451833
>47 entries
>Two were Yvraine
I'm still a bit surprised.

>>96451781
AK interactive "Dark & Dry Crackle" on top of some cheap hobby stone scenery. Brushed with a light grey cuz I wanted the models to stand out against the bases, but I'm gonna add some darker tufts. It's too bland.

https://ak-interactive.com/product-category/textures-dioramas-building-material/?orderby=date&pa_prod=crackle-textures,ground-textures,special-effects,splatter-effects,water-textures,winter-textures,soil,rocks,ballast/

>>96451833
>cultist-chan
Fuck year.

>>96451861
It's a showy model, even if most Eldar players completely ignore the Ynnari.

>>96451833
going to try something with a predator, if it doesnt work well I've got a big mek I put together a while ago that needs painting

>>96451877
Kek. Didn't notice her the first time.

>>96451735
It’s still 10e after all, but that’s the most fun I’ve had with it

>>96451928
Yea we both still had fun

>>96451455
I like everything in the set but I already own infiltrators from the kill team so won't be buying it. Maybe if it was reivers instead because at least those would have different poses.

The open cockpit is a simple fix, I've got some gundams lying around something will surely fit.

>>96451725
1200

Anyone know from which sprue that staff and sword are coming from?

>>96451476
>that no one likes
this guy does >>96451956

>>96451932
>fun

>>96451988
milhouse is not a meme

>>96451967
Staff is Corsair Kill Team, except the triangle thingy at the top was removed and replaced with that swirly design. Maybe it's from Wood Elves? Blade is maybe a Deldar Wrack's weapon with a gemstone glued on?

>>96451988
The absolute state

>>96452002
add more circles to your image so it's clearer what you're trying to highlight instead of samefagging like this

>>96451988
Kek. "The Greatest Miniatures Wargame in the World™"

>Assault Terminators in the big box is apparently presumed to be the Christmas Battleforce
>this would only make sense if it released before Christmas
If this rumor isn’t true I’m putting a curse on that fat fuck’s house

This is the most entertaining 40kg I've seen in a long time

>>96451833
No idea because my bits box is more like a bits thimble. If I had access to a lot more misc gun bits I would try converting Terminators into Obliterators.

Where do you draw the line at something being a kitbash vs. just a weapon or arm swap?

>>96451833
i don't kitbash so i'm sitting this one out

>>96452045
a head or weapon swap will count according to collage anon, it's for fun anyway

>>96451988
We did tho, I won easily but the setting was cool and sometimes its fun to be the underdog.

>>96452064
take the lamenterfag's advice

>>96452064
>Marine grav-tanks

>>96452066
Im going to try and ignore all negative comments first.

>>96452053
Cool, I think I can come up with something somewhat interesting then.

>>96451861
>>96451879
Eldar fans are tsundere for Yvraine

>>96451833
Does a headswap count?

>>96451660
I see those black orc heads.
Very nice

>>96452093
Yes

>>96452064
Amazing simulation of warfare in the grim darkness of the far future

>>96451833
Probably going to shelve my planned wraiths to start on my first BTs, some intercessors. I used the crusader squad bolt rifles and jerry rigged the grenade launcher over, so that's a kitbash. Still have to crack open my milliput to clean up bits and pieces like the grenade launcher ammo belt, would be my first time using that too.

>>96451589
>incel
>manchildren
these words have no power here

>>96452001
Looks like it, thanks

>>96452064
>Blobs of toys just mashed together
>"Tank" hiding behind a wall like it's a paintball match

>>96452093
Any change counts. It also doesn't need to be a character.

>>96452070
No, you've said this several dozen times and immediately went on to derail and shit up the thread and your reputation, take a break

>>96452106
What horrifying mould lines.

>>96452115
I mean I think tanks do hide in real war to sometimes

>>96452102
Indeed it was

>>96452130
Not by driving 3 feet away from the enemy and then pressing your nose against a wall kek

>>96452115
>>96452130
Yes, tanks do hide behind walls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7kiibl4bpI

>>96451660
Very nice orkbro

hopefully im not getting too annoying and attention whore-y about my new knight model, but this is my latest progress with it....i got it primed and partially painted today but i like how it turned out for a complete noobie painter

i still have the top half to do and some touchups on the bottom. does it look like total crap or decentish?

>>96452120
The bright white fluorescent lamp light exaggerates them. I did do a scrape down but could stand to go in for another pass I suppose

>>96451833
Really solid work all round. The standouts imo are the slaanesh daemon prince, Cawl and the lord of change.

>>96452163
>simulationfag
As opposed to what? Having we really fallen so far that calling someone who enjoys wargaming a "simulationfag" is an insult?
NTA btw before you use that cope

>>96452186
But which one's the worst?

>>96452163
This, 40K is the best it has ever been? You catch the last GT, shit was NUTS! Me and my buds, gals and everyfolk in between are grabbing some IPAs to celebrate!

>>96452197
You

>>96451833
shout outs to the goff rocka and baywatch assassin

>>96452185
Anon, please.

What the fuck is this melty?
I tried following reply chains and it just gave me a headache. Is half this fucking thread just one dude losing his mind over 10th ed and competitive terrain?

>>96452228
yes, best to ignore this thread and his tantrum and wait for somebody to bake a real one when the current hits page 8

>>96452171
Is this your first model?

>>96452224
How dare you zoom in on my shame, delete this immediately or I'll call the cyber police

>>96452207
>40k is the best it's ever been
You can say that again!

>>96452251
Ive seen this photo and it always shocks me, is it real?

>>96452224
Who cares? I don't remove mine either. It's not even noticeable from tabletop height

>>96452262
Agreed

Painting Tutorials are getting pretty crazy.

>>96452241
my first ever knight yea

>>96452256
Have you ever been to a lgs? I went to one the other day and saw an old world tournament and someone had 3 half built balloons on the table.

>>96452242
It's such fucking lazy slop.

>>96452285
I would prime him black on the back do a few spots on top that you want blue. Definitely might want to do a few more coats with the gold. He looks fine but you could do better.

>>96452193
>As opposed to what?
people that actually play *games* and aren't so up their own ass that they can actually have fun playing them
>>96452207
i've been trying to figure out the simulationally correct response is to my opponent fielding a Fart Wizard and a Greater PooPoo Demon the size of an apartment complex. General Carl von Clausewitz's treatise Vom Kriege has no passage dealing with this possibility.... what should i do, simulationchads?!?!?

>>96452298
trying too hard

>>96452256
Tell me, have you ever seen a 40k game posted that DIDNT look half assed?

>>96452298
Show the class how it's done properly, big guy

>>96451666
>space fantasy is not for you
>links to space fantasy thread

>>96452298
Yea under a microscope

>>96452311
Wow what a thematic and immersive battle!

>>96452307
sadly i only have blue primer atm so i just use that and paint over it. i havent decided what the primary color will be but i know gold will be the secondary ?

>>96452239
You can keep malding all you want, but we are already 120 posts deep. You lost. Posting another thread would just be spamming.

96452338
not how this works shitstirrer

>>96452338
I dunno man averaging a post a minute reeeing over tournament terrain and other autistic fixations seems more like malding to me.

>>96452308
This dude, it’s just a GAME bro *hits bong* dude did you catch the newest marvel

>>96452352
Uh oh he's still upset

>>96451661
I'm not that anon. >>96451555 is the only thing I've posted in this thread today. Went to go see a movie after posting that.

>>96451666
>DURRRRRRRR YOU CAN'T EXPECT REALISM IN SPACE FANTASY

The point is trying to have points of realism within the space fantasy, anon, because you can't expect me to believe that tanks have literal health bars and people squat on objective markers for victory points in the actual setting, anon. That would be retarded. AT weapons should still be good KILLING tanks, not just "wounding" them over time and doing chip damage that eventually kills them (since that's not how RL tanks work). Maneuver tactics that are explicitly mentioned in lore should work on the tabletop. The ideal tactic shouldn't be blobbing your dudes up around characters for aura bonuses and employing "GOTCHA" card game strategems, it should be actual maneuver tactics. Fucking Gaunt's Ghosts features the ghosts employing basic fire and maneuver tactics (you pin those guys down, we'll flank them and shoot them up close and from the side), which isn't encouraged by the rules and provides zero benefit.

The tabletop should be a simulation of the lore, not an extremely slow version of a vidya game that feels extremly artificial. Abstraction only does so much, especially at 28mm heroic scale.

Soon

This is a next level mental breakdown. What even set you off?

I want to make Argentinean marines, what GW paints do you suggest?

>>96452389
Corvus Black

>>96452383
Video game HP bars on tanks was the breaking point for me, when I decided the game is too far gone and no longer worth playing. They literally even call it "HP."

>>96452311
Idk I think my games look good

>>96452311
Why are GW rules designers not flogged for designing a game that allows this?

sisters of battlechads what are some must have units for a 1k list?

>>96452410
>no pics
Yeah...

>>96452411
They should be

It's overtly a game of unit abilities and unrealistic space fantasy. If you're after realistic tactical engagements, there's quite a few historical tabletop games that do that. Why not play them?

>>96452422
kino
>>96452433
slop

>>96452433
Lmfao

>>96452438
Explain why the necron game is slop and why the GIANT PURPLE OBJECTIVE MARKERS are kino, anon

96452448
I won't entertain your several hour long tantrum, no

>>96452447
Cant just leave him in the open tho

>>96452422
>>96452433
>>96452251
>>96452311
Lads, we really went from dawn of war being an abstracted, streamlined and arcade-y version of 40k to dawn of war becoming a more simulationist version of 40k than actual fucking 40k.

>>96452448
He's probably the same mass bait poster that started this thread, now trying to provoke decal into being milked for (you)s. See also the ms paint circles and general absentee father attention seeking behaviour.

>>96452434
Because the fantasy being sold in all the fiction if of tactical combat, not of standing on circles until everyone goes home

>>96452454
Why not?

>>96452469
Have you seen the void dragons dmg?

You know I wouldn't mind it too much if it were at least different pictures being posted, but when it's all just the same pictures from the other shitpost thread then it just becomes a sad attempt at bringing your shitpost into the general the shitpost is about. Like at least defend your "argument" instead of just going "lol"

>>96452468
>Because the fantasy being sold in all the fiction if of tactical combat
uh huh

Non-vandalized thread for whenever:

>>96452486
>>96452486
>>96452486

>>96452463
Bait? Nonsense, 40k is now a SPORT, anon, that's what the 10th edition influencers on youtube told me.

>>96452502
Its a war…

>>96452497
I don’t see a grid of L shaped ruins or giant pie plate objectives?

>>96452502
IT'S WAR, THEN

>>96452503
Your dad is not a part of your life

>>96452454
This really sums up the problem with how 40k handles tanks, when you can't use an armored transport vehicle in the manner that they are intended to be used,. ie moving troops across open ground. If the tank is just laying in cover and bunny hopping from cover to cover you might as well just get rid of it and have the troops laying behind cover.
40k fails to meaningfully utilize different types of units in the manner that they should realistically operate. Instead every single unit functions the exact same way, bunny hop from L.shaped ruin to L shaped ruins

>>96452434
It's not about realism it's about not looking like shit. Also this is literally a car in lotr because fantasy tier argument.

>>96452497
>posts artwork of epic scale 40k battle
>it vaguely looks like something you'd see in an epic armageddon game which is based on ww2 battalion scale games

Sit the fuck down, anon. Like I said earlier, it says a lot that fucking Dawn of War, which was created to be a streamlined and more arcade-y version of 40k at the time, is now more simulationist than 40k.

>>96452544
Oh yeah when the marines and necrons and dark eldar land and start building bases and spawning troops in, just like the REAL 40k

>>96452384
this by the nonce artist?

>>96452411
Because it's not the designers' fault that WAACfags will always abuse rules. What is the designers' fault is bowing to them and focusing on shaving all of the fluff out of the rules. Ironically, tournaments became too big for their own good. GW should have simply held the stance that the game is never going to be perfectly balanced because it needs that little bit of wiggle room to be fun and thematic. What I think they could do is focus on mission layouts and objective scoring to help keep the game balanced, like has been done in Starcraft of all things.

>>96452532
They are trying their very best

>>96452532
Tanks need to use cover IRL too. They're not magically invulnerable.

>>96452550
>I JUST FUCKING SAID IT WAS MEANT TO BE ARCADEY

Can you not fucking read? I'm not saying it's simulationist, I'm saying it's more simulationist than fucking 10th edition because at least the weapons on vehicles have to face the direction of the unit they're shooting at to fire at them. At least cover actually means something ingame. At least everything isn't L-shaped ruins and seeing who can squat on pie plate objectives the longest. At least an entire unit don't get to be shot at (or shoot at other units) because one dude's toe is sticking out from behind a building. Granted, you're fighting over retarded requisition points and basebuilding, but the point remains.

>>96452596
Continuing, my point is that the nonsensical video-gamey nature of dawn of war, which isn't accurate at all to the fluff and was ORIGINALLY far more arcade-y than 40k proper at the time, is now slightly less arcade-y and game-y than fucking 10th edition. That's the state of the game.

>>96452583
By pressing their nose up against a wall so they have no vision and now need to back up before the can move or fire?

>>96452612
I would actually rather see people use the stupid DoW capture point objectives than the gay ass colorful pie plates everyone uses now

>>96452631
It blows my mind that this is a real game

For getting into playing 40k would it make the most sense to buy the rulebook for the faction I want to see what units I want first before actually getting units?

So one of these threads is 160 posts of nothing but bait, and the other one is fairly tame. You decide which is a better environment
>>96452486
>>96452486
>>96452486

>>96452583
Tanks don't cluster together and all fight each other within 100m in an urban environment, either. There should be a hard limit on their number so that the battlefield doesn't start to resemble team yankee (which also looks retarded, btw)

>>96452647
don't buy the rulebooks, look for PDFs online

>>96452647
Yeah, but don't actually buy the faction rulebook (codex). Acquire it through other means. It won't be able to be used in a year's time, anyway.

>>96452631
Isn't that age of sigmar, anon? Post a 40k example.

>>96452657
I don't disagree. They should return the FOC design around 1500 points.

>>96452720
grim.

>>96452720
>new soijak spotted

>>96452720
>>96452631
>>96451385 (OP)
>>96451988
>>96452251
>>96452422
Why are these new circle objectives everywhere even outside of tournaments when they are ugly as fuck

>>96452763
Because 40k is a Table Sport now. Very serious, very hardcore. Just like MtG!

>>96452763
I use painted model objectives points

>>96452677
>>96452720
Kek

>>96452763
nu40kiddies players don't do too well with abstract thought, they need to see the literal "zone" for scoring just like in Marvel Rivals and Overwatch 2

>>96452720
Why would someone take this picture and then post it?

>>96452879
These people are on a combination of SSRI and Adderall lol, they don’t know where they are.

>>96452904
I think some people truly don't become self aware until much later in their biological development

>>96451692
While the autarch modularity is awesome, would be nice to just be one sprue instead of 2 separate kits

>>96451849
You are banned stop trying already. I thought you were going to take a break?

>>96452974
I am well aware that I am banned so I just paint a model for fun.

>>96451833
well, depending on what qualifies as a kitbash to the standards of the challenge, i've got a couple in mind. I've got something thatI built as a wolfguard battle leader, or the free model of the month Blood Claw from last month. unless kitbashed squads are also acceptable, I've got a couple Grey Hunter packs I really need to work on that could also qualify.

the Battle Leader would go alongside my termy wolf lord, the blood claw would be good practice for the rest of the project, and the grey hunters would be good practice /and/ be more progress towards completion

>>96452408
nta, but haven't hull points been a thing since like 5th? this seems to be a very strange hill to declare you're dying on after they've been a thing longer than not

>>96453046
A simple headswap is enough. Doesn't need to be a character, can be a squad or anything you want.

>spray a bendy limb spider with a mix of shell coating, paint and flow improver
>have to wait 2 days to see if it shells like I need it to
I hate the wait. If my first test was fine I would've been spraying 30 a day or something by now. I picked the problem I hate to solve. I just had to get the spindly limb spiders didn't I? It'll be fine... I'll crack it in time.

>>96453090
Holy shit paint! Can’t wait for the final product king!

>>96453104
Trying to use tamiya X-22 to help shell the paint onto the model. If I have to paint glue before doing a base coat I will. I have a bottle of Starbond ready to become the new basecoat. When handling the spiders they always felt greasy. I may have to brush this shit onto them, and do it outside. I'm just hoping test2 gets shit done.

>>96453070
cool cool

>>96452720
Why does be look like a naked mole rat?

>>96453046
>>96452974

I had a tournament this weekend, and it sure was something (Blood Angels). It was a regional affair, but still among some very competitive players. A real test of generalship. I won some, lost a couple, but pulled through in the finals and won the trophy.

Pretty proud of it, and I can't help but notice everyone else was also impressed. I even messaged some old friends from school about it, though I haven't heard back from them yet. I also told my parents, but they just shook their heads and looked disappointed.

Anyways, looking forward to some more riveting tablesports and Warhammer® action!

>split across two threads again
god damn it

>>96451833
Probably kitbash an archon with kabalite bits

>>96453537
This is the discord raid thread, use the other one

>>96453570
>discord raid
lmao
>>96453537
This is the good one.

>>96453537
This is the real thread, the other one is full of secondaries

>>96453468
This is Games Workshop. The term is Blood Angels® not "Blood Angels." We are deducting pay from your ShillBucks® account accordingly.

I frikkin love T-sports. Just got my XXL team jersey. It's a little tight but it feels great finally being one of the boys. Or should I say Boyz?! Haha WAAAAAGH! haha

Last thread was fun, can we get some Deldar love here?

Blade Champion (120 pts): Vaultswords
Shield-Captain (165 pts): Warlord, Guardian Spear
Enhancement: Augury Uplink (+35 pts)
Shield-Captain in Allarus Terminator Armour (155 pts)
Enhancement: Adamantine Talisman (+25 pts)
Shield-Captain on Dawneagle Jetbike (160 pts)
Enhancement: Veteran of the Kataphraktoi (+10 pts)
5x Custodian Guard (215 pts) with spears
5x Custodian Guard (215 pts) with spears
3x Allarus Custodians (180 pts)
5x Custodian Wardens (260 pts) with axes
5x Custodian Wardens (260 pts) with spears
3x Vertus Praetors (225 pts)

Is this a decent 2000 point army? I tried making one without resin units as they are too expensive for me, so just cheap custodes.

>>96452143
Every scene from this show gives me PTSD holy shit.

>>96451833
All the time

>>96451833
I'll paint one of my massive backlog kitbashed models.

>>96451476
Because it's not selling, that's what bundles are for.

I've been thinking of trying to save it by getting some redemptor parts to make it an actual dreadnought

>>96454328
I just purchased my Art of War codex mastery class! I'll go without insulin for a while, but it's worth it to become.a CODEX MASTER! I love t-sports!!!

>>96451555
Fun > balance

>>96453537
The other one is a seethe thread started because they were butthurt about OPs pic and how accurately it represents the hobby

>>96454372
Looks decent enough anon

I thought /40kg/ couldnt get any worse and it constantly surprises me.

>>96454357
Not until GW says they're still a faction and quit with the constant limbo

>>96454525
What's wrong with table sports?

>>96454534
I dont think theyre getting squatted anon, what makes you think that?

Theyve been present for too long

>>96454546
kys

>>96454546
Nothing, that's why we are transitioning to /TSG/ 40k/tabletop sports general

>>96454564
I agree! It's time we 40k fans treated this hobby with more honesty

Are the T'au auxilery ship navigators using the Astronomicon to navigate? Do the T'au expand using Imperial infrastructure that is literally the Emperor.
Do they know what they are being guided by, or do they just think "ahh sweet a lighthouse"

>>96454610
They don’t use navigators or the astronomicon, they use the same technique humans used when there wasn’t an astronomicon, turning warp travel into a series of short controlled jumps. It’s slower than the standard imperial method but safer and more reliable

>>96454633
Nicassar got squated?

>>96451555
>as realistic as possible within the fantastical context.

A completely contradictory statement. Something can't both be fantastical and realistic

>>96454644
Just made irrelevant by new tech. Dey took der jerbs

>>96454652
Something can be fantastical to our own world but grounded within its own setting anon. “Soft” fantasy systems don’t lend themselves well to wargames, which you either need a simulationist (for those who enjoy history, creative writing, etc) approach or a gameist approach (for people who enjoy cards against humanity and the like)

>>96454652
>My Mom recovered from Cancer
>That's fantastic
>Anon thinks the second person in thie coversation is trying to say he doesn't believe the first guys Mom recovered from Cancer

>>96452115
That's an apc not a tank

>>96454661
The T'au shouldn't have better technology than the Necrons.

>>96452193
The pursuit of simulation in a completely fantastical setting where no faction has a strong realistic grounding is pointless.

>>96454691
Necron tech is still faster and doesn’t plunge you into hell full of evil rape daemons. They recently got their proper FTL drives back after the short stint of only using Dolmen Gates and inertialess drives.

>>96454695
Imperial guard are just ww2 guys, using that as a basis seems simple

>>96454676
Something being fantastic isn't the same as something being fantastical lol.

>>96454675
They aren't grounded within their own setting anon. 40k is not a "hard" fantasy setting.

>>96453090
honestly, if you painted little red patterns on the back and based them I'd think this is ready to rumble

>>96454731
You don’t need the exact dimensions of a heavy tank’s armor to know that it should behave like a tank and not a big blob of flesh

>>96454712
But they aren't. That's a gross simplification and make sit obvious that you're just looking to play a WW2 wargame and are trying to Hamfist the most ppoular game to fit your needs

>>96454739
They largely are anon, they provide a realistic jumping off point to explore more fantastical creatures and weaponry. Because at the end of the day the fiction says little laser rifles and tank cannons can kill other dimensional daemons

>>96454738
Instead it should completely ignore how ballistics work at an angle and treat every attack as if it's a direct blow? That's not very realistic anon.

>>96454750
Did people run around with flak armour and laser guns in WW2 anon?

>>96454753
I do miss armor facing, minor differences in elevation are handled by the abstraction of To Hit and To Wound (previously penetrate). I remember older version of cities of death would give bonuses to shooting from a higher elevation

>>96454759
Laser guns that are fired like semi automatic rifles and kill a man in one or two hits like a normal gun, flak armor that provides little real protection like the normal lack of armor. Base them on more modern militaries if you like, but the fiction has them employ tactics similar to 1941 era Soviets despite their tech and equipment

>>96454768
>and kill a man in one or two hits like a normal gun
That depends on what media, by what author and when it was made.

>>96454786
Much like real life, some men die to a single shot to a leg, others can be riddled by shrapnel and survive. Simulationist doesn’t mean creating hyper intricate tables for every single minor detail, you aren’t rolling to die of malnutrition with your conscripts. It just means getting a sense of the setting and trying to portray it in a fun to play way. Problem is fighting over infinite symmetrical haphazard imperial ruins over random circles doesn’t evoke the feeling of 40K, and it looks like crap too.

>>96454768
I'd like to see a modern body armour tank a shot from an autocannon. We can barely give basic scopes to all our troops and lasguns come with built in scopes.
>the fiction has them employ tactics similar to 1941 era Soviets
Asymmetric guerrilla warfare? Armoured flanking? Mechanized infantry? Orbital drop troops? These the tactics 1941 Soviets used? Because they're the tactics IG uses, despite what the memes tell you.

>>96454796
No some sorces describe las fire like it's a .22, while others describe it like a .100 musket ball. It's not a small difference. People keep fighting after taking a .22, a .100 musket ball will always be a soldier down, if not dead, then completely incapacitated because he is down a limb.
>>96454801
>Asymmetric guerrilla warfare
>Armoured flanking
>Mechanized infantry
>These the tactics 1941 Soviets used?
Yep... well, maybe not mechanized infantry quite yet, but the US, Germany and UK all had APCs, and the Soviets bought American APCs in substantially number before the end of WWII.
>Orbital drop troops?
What's the real diffrence between an orbital drop pod and paradrop? The material diffrences must be minimal.
>Because they're the tactics IG uses, despite what the memes tell you.
Surely this would depend heavily on the unit of IG we are talking about.

10th ed (and modern 40K) is just fucking soul sucking
>everything is a horde army
>nothing plays distinctly from one another
>every difference between armies is just how they get rerolls or +1 to something
Nothing ever has a cool flavourful ability, it can only be a stat increase

>>96454840
>modern warfare is just 1941 Soviet warfare
Fuckers even had drones:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletank

wtf does this mean
im fighting these niggers in dawn of war rn, how can they be possibly loyal

>>96451589
Lmao this nigga is trying to act superior while posting on a basket weaving forum for plastic soldiers

>>96454801
In every edition of the game Flak armor could not tank an Autocannon round, no save allowed. Soviets did employ all of these tactics in 1941, befofe they had APCs they utilized tank riders.
>>96454840
All of these will knock out a man in a shot or two, just as las fire is described in the imperial primer. It’s consistent and internally realistic, while also providing a good base for simulationist design

>>96454901
Alright, show me where a human gets hit with a .100 musket ball and will still be in fighting condition
>Grazing shot to the ear
A 120mm APDS that grazes your ear won't kill you either does a M1 Abrams main canon kill a human in 1 or 2 shots.

How are autogun sergeants versus pistol and melee sergeants game wise?

>>96454762
you started after primaris and have no soul
>>96454923
you asked this last thread and many years ago already
>>96454919
you are canadian and have never handled a firearm in your life

>>96451660
beautiful. wish I had an ork player among my play group and with amazing models like these

>>96454936
This is advanced schizophrenia.

>>96454950
This is /40kg/

>>96454960
/tsg/, formerly known as /40kg/*

>>96451478
>Edgecoc really is back
Explains why these threads are actual dogshit.

>>96454970
Right, gomen

>>96454936
>you are canadian and have never handled a firearm in your life
Yeah, definitely not the guy citing the "caliber doesn't matter reddit" meme

Real non-raid thread
>>96454962
>>96454962

>>96454919
Notice how I said 1-2, but lasguns are very consistently displayed as taking down a man or man-toughness alien in a few shots, a few outliers can be chalked up to rolling 6s (or the enemy rolling 1s)

>>96455004
Greater Deamons can be killed by a few Guardsmen, or 1-2 tanks on the tabletop. They can destroy planets in the fluff.

>>96454991
A new safe space thread already?

>>96455023
A lot of weak men in these threads.

>>96454991
Can we please do something about the fucking throoding? FFS you faggots are insufferable cunts.

>>96455051
We certainly need some more hard times

>>96454875
They're a meme. They are intentionally inconsistent, contradictory, and likely written from a narrative perspective where the authors do not actually have a real motive in mind in order to keep them mysterious. This is the legion who lost one half of their primarchs because he was trying to talk to Dorn while also stabbing at him wildly with his weapon in an attempt to murder him.

>>96454901
>In every edition of the game Flak armor could not tank an Autocannon round
Flak been able to tank autocannon shots for several editions now.
>Soviets did employ all of these tactics in 1941, befofe they had APCs they utilized tank riders.
US Marines use 1941 Soviet tactics.

>>96452256
Its ai slop

>>96455129
>AIslop
>In the discord raid thread
Kill yourself

>>96455083
I like him!! What paint did you use for the flesh and how did you make the hair? That's actually very cool

>>96454875
Don't EVER use the wiki as a source, never trust them, only use lexicanum and sourcebooks as a source

>>96455015
They also get killed by bolter rounds, well represented by their invulnerable save but no armor save, warp stuff is fickle
>>96455228
You gotta be dense to not see the Soviet theming of guard tactics, they even got classic commissars anon

>>96455281
Is this the new cope for pictures we don't like?

>>96451555
>Make 40k (the game) as realistic as possible within the fantastical context.
not possible while playing the rules as written in any edition of the game currently. you'd need to play the game Kriegsspiel style with a referee that interrupts orders from two players or teams of players during the game with the actual rules of the game using something like a 40k version Chain of Command instead.

note that playing Kriegsspiel outside of its original context of an officer training tool requires MASSIVE amounts of autism, so it isn't really available as an option for most people.

>>96456376
>resolving kriegspiel battles using chain of command
How many years do you have?

Current ownership status.

>set a meetup to play 40K with a friend who I haven't seen in months and just came back in town
>finish the Vespid unit I was working on for the occasion
>friend comes over with his minis and everything
>turns out he has a 9e codex while I have 10e
>ofw
We ended up checking for cards to add in my MTG decks and I had him try out Shadowverse Evolve, but it still fucking sucks.

>>96456723
FUCK CAPITALISM

>>96456791

You nub why didnt you just play fucking ninth edition?

>tranny couple at my store plays dark eldar and sisters
walking stereotype

>>96457118
My FLGS has a short balding buff catholic guy who plays SM and a tranny who plays Sisters and watching them play is funny because we're pretty sure they both hold abhorrent political beliefs that would see the other put against the wall but they get at it in a way that could best be called "politely yet firmly".

>>96457169
wargames, bonding men since sports were invented

>>96456376
40k Kriegsspeil. I want to play that.

>requires massive amounts of autism

Okay, and? Most people who aren't FUCKING SUBHUMAN get into 40k because of the setting anyway, why not try and embody it?

>>96457200
Kriegsspeil* fuck I'm retarded

>>96456992
Because the 9e codex is not in my FLGS and we had no idea that his codex was a 9e one because the art looks the exact fucking same as 10e?

>>96452358
>He takes 40k super serious
Quite litterally the most normie take

>>96456707
In practice it would only be possible as a play by mail system over something like discord, like how actual Kriegsspiel is played today yeah. With the referee playing on an actual board or just over tabletop simulator.

>>96454768
But flak armour does provide protection the RPGs does a better job showcasing this

>>96454283
I have failed.

Hello. We are couple of friends that are thinking about getting into WH40K, but the game is just TOO big. Someone in our circle suggested combat patrols, but still looks too overwhelming to complete newcomers.

Is there a way to get a taste of the game before starting buying physical figures? Like videogames that teach you (sort of) how to play the tabletop thing.

BTW, we are interested in Sister, Orks and Tau, and our only other wargame is Infinity

>>96457229
what is googling your armies ninth edition codex
i swear tertiaries will do absolutely everything they can BUT play the damn game

>>96457378
Barring Tabletop Simulator, BattleSector's as close to a digital version of the tabletop as you're gonna get. They happen to have Sisters, Orks and Tau as playable factions but they're DLC. Game goes on sale often though so if you're interested, you should give it a look.

>>96457229
https://wahapedia.ru/wh40k9ed/factions/t-au-empire/

>>96456723
I bought some more shares recently. They've been a decent investment, unlike the heaps of plastic in my cupboard.

DING DONG KNIGHTS ARE DEAD

>>96456167
>You gotta be dense to not see the Soviet themes of guard tactics
I, too, hate it when people use my logic against me.
>they even got classic commissars anon
Which dress like Prussian and SS officers. Not to forget that political officers and commissars were used by various nations way before the Soviet Union and Red Army were a thing. Shooting your dudes as a job is more Soviet, for sure.

>>96457169
So they're gonna fuck eventually, right?

>>96457316
To be entirely fair anon, the RPGs are dogshit because everyone is too damn tanky.

In Chaos Knights what is considered more player friendly - i.e less waac - "swarm of war dogs" because more armies can have a meaningful interaction with every model and it's a less of a stat-check, or "mixed army with big and small knights", because big knights a less effective (probably)?

>>96457675
Do not play with one's feelings like that. I wish, but is it ever enough?

>>96458152
the new codex nerfs them enough
with the increased points you probably wont see them much anymore

>>96458149
Swarm of wardogs!

>>96458571
because of a more interactive play or because it's a weaker list now?

>>96458713
Mainly because it's more interactive than all big knights

>>96458763
Thanks

>>96457338
You must make a pilgrimage to Warhammer World and spend half of your savings there in order to redeem yourself in the eyes of almighty Geedubs.

Does "Chaos Knights: Battleforce – Houndpack Lance" contains all elements for all war dogs? So can you, for example make 7 Stalkers or 7 Executioners? Or magnetize them and get 7 universal Dogs?

>>96458794
Remember that no one likes playing against Knights no matter if you spam wardogs or big guys. It just sucks. Knights players usually use their Knight armies only for tourneys because no one wants to play them anyway.

>>96459738
You can make all but one type of War Dog. I think its the one with those lance like guns.

>>96457378
No not at all. Battlesector is somewhat close as the other anon said but nothing will substitute the actual game itself. Combat Patrol is easy as fuck and not overwhelming at all, if you can't handle Combat Patrol you wont be able to handle the tabletop game at all lmao. If you're still too scared of Combat Patrol I honestly recommend you just wait a few months/until next year to get into 40k and I am 100% sure GW is going to phase out Combat Patrol in favor of a 40k version of Age of Sigmars Spearhead, which is like Combat Patrol but an actual proper mini game.

For the love of GOD IGNORE ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU TO PLAY KILL TEAM IT IS IMBALANCED AS FUCK AND THE LOS/TERRAIN RULES ALONE WILL destroy you if you think Combat Patrol is already complicated.

New bread

>>96459972
>>96459972

>>96459991
Troll thread. This is the real thread, we haven't even hit image limit yet

>>96460381
Yes, but this thread isn't bumping anymore.

>>96454875
Non-meme answer is that they have a shit ton of wildly different warbands, some of them crypto-loyalist, some of them straight up loyalist.