Thread 96452225

Endless Draws Edition

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>What is EDH?
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>WotC's War Crimes
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>Previously
>>96442812

>TQ
What is your favorite card that draw more cards?

>>96452225 (OP)
>TQ
Unlike Caretaker's Talent it doesn't feel as oppressive.

>>96452250
Probably because it's vulnerable to exile removal.

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Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96452271
Doesn't have an inbuilt draw button with the first class up nor an anthem wincon, either.

>>96452396
There's no way this is a real card.
There's no fucking way.

>>96452405
Why?

>>96452405
That specific frame, no. But it is an actual card, with their own art

Arena is getting a sliver pet despite there being no slivers in the set. Either it will only show up on a card's art or they are making slivers and symbiotes equivalent creature types to synergize with the Hivepool.

>>96452477
if they actually fucking make Spiderman into the Sliver Homeworld set I will laugh

>>96452477
They won't make Symbiotes and Slivers equivalent because that's not how they do things with new types. It'd mean Symbiotes were just a functionally different thing in paper versus Arena if they did, they'd invent a new type if they had to (though I'm unsure if Symbiote needs to be given a new in-universe type, it still is a word and not strictly copyrighted, but then again so was Infinity).

Goblin's Shadow
Enchantment
Uncertain Phantasm - At the beginning of your first main phase, discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
Undying Vengeance - Whenever you play a land or cast a spell from outside your hand, this enchantment deals 1 damage to each opponent.

>>96452514
Equivalent creature types means the types would be the same type according to the rules. The Transformers cards had convert be equivalent to transform despite being differently named they still interacted with transform effects due to the rules saying they are identical.

>>96452477
Let's reuse these forgotten types for the Predator and Avatar Movie tie-ins.

>>96452576
Yes, but they wouldn't make a new type for a set and then go back and say "these are Slivers actually". More likely it's just a pet that has nothing to do with the set because the Arena version of the set was created in a few months so they're just re-using an old model and palette swapping it.
The current stance on equivalent types for UB stuff is they'd make a new one that is interchangeable, as they've done with Infinity/Terminus for example. So an equivalent to Symbiote (if one is needed) would be a new one (Parasite maybe).

>>96452593
>they wouldn't make a new type for a set and then go back and say "these are Slivers actually"
They've literally done exact that, for multiple types. Recent big one was phyrexians.

>>96452603
you are either stupid and misunderstanding anon's point or are stupid for being disingenuous.

>>96452603
That's different, though. That's adding creature types, which is still something they're hesitant to do. Your thing would be changing Symbiotes and Slivers to be equivalent, which they have NEVER done. At most they've flattened types out (a lot of weird old one-offs got homogenised under broader types for example) but that's an older thing, not the current approach.

>>96452603
Phyrexians were made a type and then they went back and said all those obviously Phyrexian creatures also had that type, that was all.

My beloved wife.

>wotc/hasbro licenses android to FFG
>the game does well
>too well
>pulls license for seemingly no reason but spite
Android UB to rub it in, when?

>>96452633
What a shitty card.

>>96452603
Not exactly they just added the phyrexian type.
Originally a minion.
Then they added cleric and human.
And finally phyrexian.
If it was made today it would just be a phyrexian cleric.

Creature types were a mistake.

I've noticed that Scryfall only has English cards for both Final Fantasy and Edge of Eternities. Are they taking incredibly long to add them, or has Hasbro completely abandoned other languages?

>>96452705
They exist, it's just people haven't really provided images and there's some backend stuff with Scryfall because of the update to Gatherer or something?

>>96452705
They are taking their time. The take the images from users own cards so non-english cards must be unpopular.

>>96452726
Dragonstorm had cards in all languages shortly after release, so they must be having some issues recently.
It's a shame because I'm curious to see if the FF cards retain consistency with the games' established localisations into other languages.

>>96452748
I think it's basically the Gatherer update fucked up their backend. Apparently Through the Omenpaths is also gonna be an issue because it's not like Universes Within where they retroactively have the UW card as the 'real' one and the others just being skins, because 'both are real'.

>>96452748
You'll have to resort to the Gatherer for now.
https://gatherer.wizards.com/FIN/fr-fr/321/vivi-ornitier

>>96452766
>mfw running 8 copies of Infinity Gauntlet

>>96452785
anon just because you press your cards onto the computer screen, doesn't mean they're being absorbed into Arena

>>96452785
Well, currently, neither version will ever co-exist in the same space, proxying aside. If they do reprint the Omenpaths versions later on (which they may well do for some), I can see them retroactively pulling the same sort of deal as they did with UW for Secret Lair stuff and just declaring them equivalent (which they are, etc.), the UB version is functionally a 'skin' on the 'real' UW version.

El Señor y El Amo del Infierno
A thing about the Spanish translation of MTG is they usually translate lord as Señor, or Jefe.
Overlord is usually translated as Jefe Supremo with the Duskmourn overlords instead being Amo due to how long their names are.

>>96452768
Oh, I didn't know Gatherer had cards in other languages. Thanks.

>>96452840
I've noticed that Spanish tends to have the best translations on average. They are clearly written by someone with a decent degree of literary experience, so sentences take full advantage of Spanish syntax and expressions instead of awkwardly translating everything word for word. It's also pretty good at localising puns.
Other languages are translated too literally and often miss puns altogether.

>>96452902
Case in point for a good Spanish translation of a pun, best they can. It doesn't really work because the original pun is rather English-specific, but still.

>>96452918
They sometimes don't realize how literal something is. The French translation for Over The Top is Literally Exaggeration. It's mostly Wotc faults since they only give text without context and hire constantly revolving contractors.

>>96452225 (OP)
>TQ
I like turning her sideways and drawing cards. Especially when I make her unblockable or give her trample.

>>96452951
The Spanish translation references trenches so they must have some context.

>>96452902
Portuguese was pretty bad if I recall, very literal translations when they weren't just straight up wrong
t. hue

Over a decade later and my friends still rage like toddlers when I pull out my Narset deck

They S T I L L have not errata'd this card so it functions.

"All of the above" does nothing WotC. X is 4 or greater. That means X is not 1, and X is not 2, and X is not 3. That means when you do all of the above, it does fucking nothing Wotc.

FIX. THE FUCKING CARD. WOTC.

>>96452986
It means "do every above output".

>>96452993
No, it means "Do all of the above."

The above are checking if X is 1, which it is not.
Then checking if X is 2, which it is not.
Then checking if X is 3. WHICH IT IS NOT.

>>96452994
I don't care.

>>96452996
Yes that's because you are low IQ and unable to parse sentences.

>>96452999
I don't care that you're upset about the most obviously intuitive rules text. "If A, do B. If C, do D. If E, do F. If G+, do BDF".

>>96452986
>608.2c The controller of the spell or ability follows its instructions in the order written. However, replacement effects may modify these actions. In some cases, later text on the card may modify the meaning of earlier text (for example, “Destroy target creature. It can’t be regenerated” or “Counter target spell. If that spell is countered this way, put it on top of its owner’s library instead of into its owner’s graveyard.”) Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases—read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.

>>96453008
>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases—read the whole text and apply the rules of English to the text.
Yes.

I read the text.
>If X equals 1....
It does not.

>If X equals 2....
It does not.

>If X equals 3...
It does not.

>>96453015
i'm sorry anon but you have terminal dumb

>>96453018
Please explain how "Do all of the above" somehow instructs you to exclude the if statements.

Go ahead. I'll wait.

>>96453015
None of those apply in the event that X is 4. You just get all of the outputs. It's really that simple.

>>96453021
If 1, do A.
If 2, do B.
If 3, do C.
If 4, do all of the above.
Does that mean "check the ifs again" or "ABC". Any reasonable interpretation indicates the latter.

>>96453027
>None of those apply in the event that X is 4. You just get all of the outputs.
Point to the location on the card where the instruction to ignore the if statements from the above effects is given.

>>96453032
>If 1, do A.
>If 2, do B.
>If 3, do C.
>If 4, do all of the above.
Great.
Go back to the first line. The first line instructs you to check if the value is 1.
The value is 4. 4 does not equal 1. Therefor, you do not do A.
Go to the second line. 4 does not equal 2. Therefor, you do not do B.
Go to the third line. 4 does not equal 3. Therefor, you do not do C.

Therefor, you do nothing.

>>96453033
>If X is 4, do all of the above.
It's pretty self explanatory, anon.

>>96453050
THE ABOVE
INCLUDE
IF STATEMENTS

>>96453039
>Anon flexing his passing grade in ESL

>>96453015
>>96453039
>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases

>>96453053
Nah, those don't apply if X is 4. I don't get why this is so hard for you to understand.

>>96453054
Point to the location on the card where it instructs you to ignore the if statements.
Go. Do it. Right now. If you're so confident, this should be trivial to do.
Where does the card instruct you to ignore the if statements?

>>96453060
>Nah, those don't apply if X is 4.
Point. To the clause. On the card. That instructs you to ignore the if statements.

>>96453056
>Don’t just apply effects step by step without thinking in these cases

>Go to think.
>"Ah, all of the above!"
>First portion of the above.... "If X equals 1..."
>It does not equal 1! We do nothing. Onto the next!
>"If X equals 2..."
>It does not equal 2! Onto the next!
>"If X equals 3..."
>It does not equal 3! Great. We do nothing.

Point to where the card instructs you to ignore the if statements.

>>96453069
I did, but for some reason you keep acting like I didn't. Doing all of the above does not apply to the If statements. This is just common sense.

>>96453077
>>96453069
>>96453061
"Do all the above effects" is the incredibly obvious interpretation by anybody who's not the most obnoxious literal-minded buffoon, shut the fuck up. You have no argument.

>>96453082
>I did,
You did not.

>>96453084
>You did not.
I did. See?

X is 4, do all of the above.

>>96453083
>"Do all the above effects" is the incredibly obvious interpretation
It is an incorrect interpretation. That is the factually, strictly, unequivocally wrong and not correct way to parse the instructions. No accurate assessment of the instructions could result in that interpretation.

"It's obvious." has no baring on whether or not it is correct.

Cool, he's arguing a point that literally nobody cares about for a card that does not matter.
Anybody played any games lately?

>>96453087
>X is 4, do all of the above.
No part of that sentence instructs you to ignore the above if statements.
It instructs you to do all of the above. All of the above is a set of three conditionals effects, contingent on the value of X.

>>96453093
Those don't apply if X is 4. You just get all of the outputs.

>>96452986
"Do all of the above" in this case is shorthand for the rewards of the IFs 1 through 3.

If there was enough space, the fourth option would read:

"If X is 4 or more, scry 1, then draw a card. You may choose a player. They return a creature they control to its owner's hand. Create a 4/4 blue and red Elemental creature token."

hence, "All of the Above"

>>96453098
>Those don't apply if X is 4.
Where is it expressed that they do not apply?

>You just get all of the outputs.
The outputs are conditional on the value of X.

>>96453093
The card doesn't tell you to consider the if statements, either. So you don't consider them if told "do all of the above".
Checkmate

>>96453105
Not if X is 4. If X is 4, you just get all of them.

>>96453108
>The card doesn't tell you to consider the if statements, either. So you don't consider them if told "do all of the above".
Yes that's because the if statements are present in the text of the card. Which means you do them by default.
In order to not perform the default, you must state the exception.

good old autism thunderdome

>>96453110
>Not if X is 4. If X is 4, you just get all of them.
Wrong. Read the fucking card, you actual retard.
The card states:
>If X is 4 or more, do all of the above.
Simple reading quiz:
Do the above effects include if statements?

>>96453113
"if" is not an action word
you can't do "if"
you get all effects
Checkmatearoony

>>96453121
If in MTG is a signal for a replacement effect.
In this card's context, the default state of each effect is "do nothing", which is replaced in the specific event of X being a specific value.

If X is not that specific value, no replacement effect occurs and you do nothing.

All they had to do is
>If X is 1 or 4...
>If X is 2 or 4...
>If X is 3 or 4...

wa
la

>>96453120
No, they don't, because X is 4. Seriously, it's not that hard.

>>96453137
>because X is 4.
Anon. Let's ask some simple questions to test your mental capacity:

>Is 4 equal to 1?
>Is 4 equal to 2?
>Is 4 equal to 3?

>>96453132
>the default state of each effect is "do nothing",
except when x is 4, when you're told to "do everything"
checkmate-chan

what is one reason to play standard at this point over literally any other format

>>96453145
>except when x is 4, when you're told to "do everything"
Everything includes the if statements, Captain Retard.

reading the card explains the card

>>96453149
It doesn't, though.

>>96453152
>reading the card explains the card
WRONG.

>>96453101
They ignored him, because he told them the truth

>>96453153
>"The set of everything does not include all things."
How stupid do you have to be to make a statement like this?

>>96453159
Honestly it was just tl;dr.

>>96453163
Did you lose to this card somehow? Is that why you are throwing a hissy fit?

>>96453189
You have to be exceedingly stupid is the answer.

>>96453190
>Anon lost to some random blue card from Strixhaven and is now making it everyone else's problem.

>>96453199
You can not parse simple sentences. Your assertions are irrelevant.

>>96452986
Cards sometimes use English words to express the rules. For example, this card tells you to hide items. In the case of Multiple Choice, "do all of the above" is plain English meaning exactly what it tells you to do.

>>96453221
>In the case of Multiple Choice, "do all of the above" is plain English meaning exactly what it tells you to do.
It is not multiple choice.
It is a sequence of if statements.

>>96452986
this post is peak autism.

>>96453169
>anon comes to the thread to ignore 4 sentence posts
Never understand why you dumb fags revel in your slow reading ability

>>96453269
It's impossible to know what this can target by reading the card.

>>96453280
Clearly it can only target things that are being targeted by other things.

Fog should've been in Foundations

I forgot how abysmally dogshit the duskmourn trailer was

>>96453287
it might be in avatar. they use use waterbending to create concealing fog multiple times

>>96453281
Read it again. It doesn't target.
As long as something is a target, you may choose it for shock's damage. An important distinction for when your opponent's hexproof creature has become a target by way of that opponent's spells.

>>96453311
A fascinating interaction....
obligatory reminder that the only reason this wording exists was the absolute fucking fiasco that was Planeswalker damage redirection fixes

>>96452396
>>96452405
Jesus...

>>96453332
anon you know this is a reference to a real spider-man story, right? it's not something the internet made up

>Spider-Man attempts to catch a man looking like Peter Parker who steals a valuable manuscript, but the man's bodyguard Brutus knocks him down. The culprit is Charles Cameo who impersonates others while stealing art treasures. A trap is set by J. Jonah Jameson and the police with a Credenza tapestry, with Jameson thinking Spider-Man is responsible for the other thefts. Brutus knocks out the police officer who is delivering the tapestry and takes his place, while Cameo impersonates Spider-Man. Cameo and Brutus are apprehended by the real Spider-Man.

>>96453373
And the spongebob counterspell is based on an actual frame from spongebob.
Your point?

>>96453376
that neither are bad

>>96453421
Matter of taste.

Posting here also because I didn't see this thread at first
I was reading a paper about MTG in the mid 2000s and can one of you that played back then explain why the edgelord was accepted but the dwarf RP guy wasn't.

>In general, regulars regard imagineers in two ways, either as “cools” or “squares” (sometimes referred to as “dorks”). Such subcategorizations demark how regulars respond to overt displays created by the imagineers. Cool imagineers presents themselves in more understated ways, or ways that regulars do not find distracting. Although cool, such imagineers remaintied emotionally to their adopted persona. A square or dorky imagineer, in contrast, creates displays that regulars regard as “over the top” and conspicuous in an amateurish way.

>One cool imagineer, “Rogue,” a self-styled “black mage,” wears black nail polish and eyeliner, metal-stubbed leather over garments, and carries or wears a variety of magic amulets to the game. Regulars regard his presence causally and acknowledge his self-stylization; they never used his dress appearance as a source of derision

>On the other hand, “Dungan,” a self-identified “warrior dwarf,” exemplifies squareness. He carries a wooden battle axe andoften wears a green tunic to play. When entering the game area he will announce his presence by proclaiming: I am Dungan. I have come to conquer. Who dares challenge me? Patterned responses such as groans also include jibes: Sit down and shut-up, Bashful [a reference to the Disney film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs].Although regulars accept Dungan’s presence they do not acknowledge his authenticity; regulars use Dungan’s imagineering as a source of verbal abuse and “trash talking

Beyond Place On Being a Regular in an Ethereal Culture, Patrick T. Kinkade Michael A. Katovich 2009

>>96453448
this isn't even a question of playing magic 16 years ago, it's a question of being over the age of 12 16 years ago. Goth/scene/vamp culture was big back then, wearing all black and cutting yourself was cool. Being a faggot ass roleplaying nerd wasn't cool, even when playing MTG.

>>96453451
Interesting,
If it was like nu-metal tier I would get it but from everything I have head and read.
But in the period from 2003-2007 that the article covers I would think that in the wake of the 9/11 culture shift, the goth would of gotten mocked at the same venues that would do that to a roleplay guy.

>>96453448
gonna need way more context

>>96453373
lmao this anon is a spidernerd

>>96453619
no? just simple research
>search "imposter spider-man" on youtube to find the clip of the scene the card is referencing
>the video had the episode title
>search the episode list on wikipedia for a summary, copy/paste it

>>96453596
A Guy who played from 2003-2007 decided to make his time playing into an ethnographic survey where he basically just took notes on his local community and made a detailed breakdown of the kinds of people who would show up to play and came up with cheesy but associated to their personalities nicknames for himself and the notable regulars

Note the dude who did the research is referred to as Playa" (totally not the guy writing the paper....)

>Although Playa’ participated at four different gathering sites, he made his primary observations over a 36-month span at Kamikaze’s, a video store specializing in anime and Asian videos. Kamikaze’s has three gaming areas set aside for Magic play, deals in Magic cards and paraphernalia, and records all tournament results according to standards set by the DCI, which then processes all results and posts them in its newsletter. By far and with great consistency, Kamikaze’s held the largest tournaments, drawing up to40 players at time.

after seeing all this shit I think he was right. there is nothing they can do to make me stop playing. no broken mechanic, no art, no meme they print will deter me from wanting to like the game. and that, MaNo, is a challenge. maybe one day I'll even feel nostalgic for companion

>>96453637
yes you are a little spidernerd

>>96453665
Far more self-aware than most players I know. I sometimes hear people saying making Lessons work in Commander would cause them to quit and I'm here wondering how Partner and Companion didn't already do that.

>>96452959
>so they must have some context.
Like the card art?

>>96452902
>>96452918
The Spanish localization team actually has a podcast where they explain the thought process and difficulties of translating each set.

>https://www.youtube.com/@CoalicionAzofar/videos
>https://open.spotify.com/show/44Xecx9tTeB7B702jPf2UD

>>96453733
it's a cry for help if anything

>>96453673
>not one complaint about the lack of the SUPERIOR spiderman

there aint no spiderman fan here besides me just like you slop consumers were ok with ff garbage having no setzer gambler or ramza or my nigga delita

>>96453157
>Turn this creature face up. If you can't, exile it
...What? What the fuck were the designers smoking when they made this?

>>96454153
imagine outing yourself as a spiderman fan

*Snap*
Yes, this is a great picture of Magic corpse.

>>96454183
i hate everything spider-man since end of the original spiderverse comic series

>>96453015
>>96452986
Truth nuke.

>>96453088
There is no good way to format it in magic legalese without adding a keyword, ie.
"Overspend" "Pay X, select Y, where Y is equal to X, if X is superior to Y do all of them"
List of shit.
Alternatively, change the 4+ to read "If x is 4 or more, scry 1, then draw a card, chose a player..." and so on. which would add an actual brick of text for something that is obvious using english.
But they've done that before.

>>96454221
HIRE ME WOTC

>>96453088
Git gud

>>96453373
It doesn't fucking matter because it's clearly supposed to reference the meme first and foremost, you pedantic retard, since they are straight up just remaking the original meme image anyways. Had they truly wanted to reference a comic character that is all about copying people and a spider-man villain, they could have easily used the Chameleon or referenced him or even just any panel from the clone saga, hell play on the name itself and reference a panel where Peter gives up on being spider man and someone else takes the mantle.

SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU FAGGOT!

This would've been a funny build-around card in standard if Beanstalk was still legal.

>>96454651
"If X is 4, X is also treated as if it was 1, 2, and 3"
The more i read that back the dumber it sounds.

>>96454868
>flip murktide regent in modern

I really think this set is worse than Asscreed.
The Asscreed at least was minor and small set this shit has the condition of actual big real set and the undeniable cringe of this UB slop they are trying to push

>>96454868
The artwork is missing Paul and Mephisto.

>>96454935
>LGS tried to make people spend twice for a prerelease because packs had less cards inside
mini sets should be abolished

>>96454941
It would be very funny is Paul got his own Card

>>96453421
leave MTG and never come back

>>96454868
>”Things gotta go my way eventually, right?”
No, JOTC, no one will ever like your garbage even if you force it down our thorats.

>>96454961
>{1}(W}
>Creature - Human Citizen
>Hexproof
>When ~ enters, exile target creature an opponent controls with mana value 2 or less until this creature leaves the battlefield.
>0/1
Imagine the response.

>>96452477
They are going add all the missing Slivers. Screencap this.

>>96452477
>>96455044
To be precise, the Arena release will have bonus sheet, which will likely include the missing slivers.
Well, because they cannot have Spider-Man in.

Modern trash are trying to get their format on arena. They need to stay in their shithole client where they belong

>>96454161
You can manifest nonpermanent cards, retard-kun.

>>96455125
I like Modern. Is not worse than Vivi wasteland.

>>96454651
>There is no good way to format it in magic legalese without adding a keyword, ie.
>"Overspend" "Pay X, select Y, where Y is equal to X, if X is superior to Y do all of them"
FOOL
I HAVE SOLVED THIS ALREADY
>>96453136

>>96455138
That's not the point I was making, retard-kun.

>>96454868
>end of turn
This feels like it can kill easily with just a bit of library manipulation.

>>96455174
I am not your fucking kun.

>>96455262
How are you consistently manipulating the opponent's library like that?

>>96455125
yea,bro. wouldn't want to take away resources from adding fake cards to the client.

Here's your Spider commander

>>96455342
I used to complain about 5-color commanders, but there's so many good ones at this point that a 5-color commander that only serves to benefit a mediocre tribal strategy is fine, since if you're running this you probably just want to play all of the Spider-Men, you'd pick something else if you just wanted 5-color good stuff.

>>96455174
It's an incredibly simple design, retard-chan. You can turn up your manifested/cloaked permanents for 2UB. Nonpermanent cards obviously cannot be turned up, so you just cast them for free. It's not even a busted card.

>>96455362
This is a Standard release.

>>96454868
>More Owling Mine support
WotC you are forgive-

>It's UB slop
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>96455312
Modern Horizons 3 cancer killed Historic, which was an amazing and diverse format prior to MH3. Now it’s all Eldrazi and Energy slop

>>96455342
>Not do thing, draw card or any other source of card advantage
>Just play all Spiders and smash with Spiders
So this is a Timmy card.

>>96455342
This should be a transform card. The front side should be Peter Parker, Spider-Man and he transforms when something thematic happens. Not quite sure what the trigger should be

>>96455393
Fine, I'll clarify what I meant since apparently you think I don't understand what the card does: I know what it means, I just think designing cards that do shit like that is retarded and worthy of getting fired.

>>96455407
We both know there is no way Cosmic Spider-Man was designed with Standard in mind.

>>96455456
>>96455472
I think it has a decent shot. As I've said many times in these threads before, there are two lands with tribal manafixing in standard right now and there's even a 2-mana spider mana dork that can make any color. Even if you just throw out a few 2/2s, dropping this guy in on your first main phase and swinging in with a bunch of creatures with keyword soup (mainly flying, lifelink and haste) is probably gonna get a lot of damage in and gain you a ton of life. While it doesn't instawin you the gain, it definitely has the potential to swing it in your favor, at least more than the Avatar card does.

>>96453817
Neat. Thanks.

>>96455472
Neither were golos or kernith

The absolute state of Magic: The Gathering where every single card, specially those mean for constructed, are designed with Cummander in mind...

>>96455342
>generic keyword soup tribal lord that doesn't even give blockers keywords or stats
this entire set should've been starter packs

>>96454866
>since they are straight up just remaking the original meme image anyways.
which is... a screenshot from the episode

>>96455342
How many Shapeshifters are in Standard right now?

Where Cauldron ban?

>>96455036
Makes me realise we still don't have a standalone MJ card outside of the starter decks.

Speaking of MJ, though, here's her and her kid from that alternate universe where One More Day just didn't happen.

>>96455770
Haha tall ask booooi! Wait until November with luck and don’t worry for that moment we will already print the next red cancer haha!

>>96455819
I think we need more red threats with toughness above their CMC that produce card advantage.

Oh hey Arana I was kinda hoping she'd show.

And Mattie gets a non-legendary rep, weirdly.

>>96455819
>>96455835
>"Sir we can't think of any ideas for the new red card."

>"Just slap impulse draw on it!"

And Kraven's card is, you know, fine. Good art.

>>96455849
It's Kraven time.

>>96455842
Hopefully Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter get represented.

>>96455876
I feel like Jessica will, and there's a chance Julia will be Madame Web if they don't go for Cassandra as her.

Morbius and Madam Web ARE getting cards, right?

>>96452986
rules are written by retarded niggers now, don’t expect them to make sense. Wizards’ method is now print slop and then fix it in oracle.

Why can't all the cards designed for Commander be in the Commander set?

>>96455892
Yes, Maro's teaser had a Vampire Scientist Villain which is Morbius almost certainly, and Mutant Adviser which is definitely Madame Web.

As a Brit I feel shame.

I hate this fucking set so much it's fucking unreal. Universes Within is the only silver lining.

>>96455907
I can't get over how off looking that flag is

>>96455907
no offense but compared to this, there are way worse things bringing shame to Brits right now

>>96455881
We already know Cassandra is in the set since nobody else could possibly have the Mutant Advisor typing MaRo teased.

>>96455907
>>96455937
and those roads, and cars.. dear god

>>96455945
That's just how roads look in the UK. The flag is weird though, I dunno what's going on there, it's like we're seeing both sides of it but it LOOKS like one contiguous side.

>>96455907
Oh nice India and UK together by the slop lmao
Also is just me or this looks IA-made?

New tapped dual. New cycle, possibly?

>>96455955
I think they intended it to be a very long banner-like flag, but drawing it correctly would mean the union jack wouldn't be centered. So they said fuck it and drew it centered anyway.

>>96455966
>Tapped duel
>5 mana to surveil
holy shit its beyond shit

>>96455907
was this shit AI generated? I’m genuinely asking.

>>96455966
I know surveil is better than scry but they could've really just finished this cycle

>>96455980
No, the UK just looks like that.

>>96455966
Seems like a minor upgrade to the campus cycle.

Some Goblin shit.

>>96455998
Since when did black get cheap efficient direct damage to creatures?

What does it mean "timing rules still apply"?

>>96456007
It means you can only cast it when you could normally cast it.

>>96456001
Pretty regularly, though it's usually as part of some lifedrain flavor.

>>96455998
can that sorcery be used as rakdos madness pauper sideboard?

>>96456019
Or play in the case of the land.

>>96455998
>Sorcery
Sorcery
>Sorcery
>Sorcery
Sorcery
>Sorcery
>Sorcery
Sorcery
>Sorcery
Seriously what should happen for them to stop with this shit? Are they so fucking clueless about their own game they can't understand this kind of removal is pointless and stupid in an environment with threats like Vivi, FOMO or Hearthfire?

>>96455907
At least it isn't the dumb black women they shoved into the comics

>>96456040
It's clearly designed to work with the mayhem cards, instant speed doesn't make sense for that.

>>96456026
>Pretty regularly, though it's usually as part of some lifedrain flavor.
Yeah that's what I mean. It's just not black-coded to do this without gaining life.

I guess WotC just doesn't give even the slightest fuck about their own game though. So why should I care?

>>96455907
i want USA spider-man now lol obviously must be a fat fuck with half belly out of the spider costume

>>96456040
they design for commander and maybe limited. They don't gaf about standard anymore.

>>96456053
It's happened before without lifedrain, it's just not usually a thing Black does because it CAN do it with lifedrain, but Red can't.

>>96456065
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and green gets "damage can't be prevented" sure sure fuck it whatever who cares. Just delete the color pie at this point, it obviously doesn't matter.

There's the boy.

>>96455955
>That's just how roads look in the UK
boys really do be playing the aMAZEing labyrinth irl

And a different boy who, you know, sure.

And the classic scene.

>>96456092
Kaine?

>>96456074
easiest way to tap pic related for cheap? station lands?

Another classic.

god this UB shit is fucking so fucking tiresome

Shout out to the two kids dressed as normal-ass witches among all the superhero costumes I guess.

>>96456168
yeah man

And a board wipe.

this whole set is horrible bros...

>>96456214
1000 dollar collector boxes

>>96456217
Whales are killing this game for me

>>96456158
What the fuck is this story told in the card? The name is "The Death of Gwen Stacy" and in the first picture she is falling from a bridge, the next she is caught by spiderman and the final has spiderman holding her while she is unconscious

>>96456237
She falls off, he throws a web out to catch her and the broken fall snaps her neck, and Spidey shakes his fist and screams for vengeance at Green Goblin while holding her dead body.

standard is saved sisters

>>96456237
>while she is unconscious
Anon, I...

>>96455998
Wait, that land seems actually playable.

>>96456288
>Izzet Cauldron has not placed below 2nd in a single tournament since the bans
Format's fine. Izzet Cauldron sometimes doesn't place 1st.

>>96456288
Bro it's flourishing, don't you see that mono red won the event and that there is one (1) Azorius control in the top 16?
I don't know about you guys, but I'm about to head to my local store to preorder some Spiderman mtg product so I can get some awesome new cards for my Tapir commander deck!

>>96456178
That's one way to punish token decks.

>>96456237
If you want to know the actual story, Spiderman tries to save her from the fall. When he catches her, he breaks her back from the whiplash and kills her.
It's pretty fucked. Legendary story, back when comics were great.

>>96456256
>>96456291
>>96456309
Guess that makes sense, the card doesn't really give off that vibe based on the panels they chose for it lol

>>96456326
>Guess that makes sense, the card doesn't really give off that vibe based on the panels they chose for it lol
Not at all no. WotC's dumb as shit, what do you expect?

>>96456309
They were technically ambiguous on if she was already dead when she was falling or if Peter killed her for a long time, but nowadays they've come down pretty firmly on "Peter accidentally broke her neck saving her".

>>96456288
Whens the ban happening?

>>96453136
what if X is 5?
You didn’t cover the “or greater” part, bozo. Maybe apply your stick-up-ass particularness to your own stupid ideas

>>96456349
Either way, it was a great expansion of the themes of "With great power, great responsibility."
Brilliant writing. RIP comics.

>>96456353
soon, 3 more years

>>96456353
November, if you're lucky

>>96456288
Mamma Mia! Seriously you guy enjoy this shit of a format? I rather play against Cutters and Annex than go against red or see this motherfucker all day long…

>>96456288
>1 green
>1 white
>0 black
>In the top 20.
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

>>96456353
November, then Firebend, Electro, Punk and whatever new shit they print will make you wish Vivi was the issue…

Ah, finally. Yuri in Magic the Gathering.

this is the first good UB card I've seen in months
I just appreciate good clean design that manages to use the card text itself to tell its flavor (even if admittedly the effects feel like they were arbitrarily chosen to meet syllable count)

>>96456288
Unironically the worst Standard has ever been.
I honestly thought the Lin Sivvi era could never be topped. Why do I continue to put faith in WotC not fucking up?

>>96456288
what compels a company that leave their “pushed format” like this? i mean this is the format after seven bans. SEVEN fucking bans… how can they fuck up something this badly?

>>96456379
>Fear Gas

>>96456379
BBBBBBBBBBBBBRRRRRRRRRAP

>>96456389
Because banning the chase mythic of a recent set would be really bad for $$$

>>96456389
Cauldron is 50 dollars
Vivi is 50 dollars
Figure it out.

>>96456404
ITS STILL A CHASE CARD FOR COOMANDER

>>96456288
S E V E N B A N S

standard
lmao

>>96456127
Honestly, yeah. Stationing and web-slinging synergize rather well, which is weird since FF didn't really synergize with stationing at all even though it came right before it

>>96453489
It says exactly why that is right in the text:
>"Sit down and shut-up, Bashful"
There's no need to tell Dracula to sit down and shut up if that's what he's already doing.

>STANDARD FUCKING SUCKS THE META GAME IS TRASH
>no I don't play standard and never have haha why would I
Meanwhile actual paper standard players are having a blast with goofy decks while troonmander players get board wiped on hour 3 of their "fun social experience"
>lol literally everyone is playing izzet cauldron bro cope
Unless you actually play standard in paper your argument is invalid

>>96456368
My favorite part is every single fucking game, ad nauseam, the announcers (likely forced by contract) praise the mirror match as "skill testing!" and "amazing!"

Then someone passes turn, the other guy swings for 62 damage out of nowhere and the game ends instantly without either player having any ability to make any changes to the result. Then the announcers go to the next match and it's...

Vivi Cauldron vs. Vivi Cauldron.

>"What an incredible mirror match!"
>"So skill testing! At least we have a good mirror match as the only deck in the format!"

Then again the game instantly ends when the first player gets a single turn without the opponent removing everything from their board, instantly wins without recourse and...

>"The mirror match is incredible!"
>"So skill testing!"

l m f a o

S
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>>96456389
standard isnt the pushed format anymore old man

>>96456442
what deck are you playing? I force orzhov in every environment. I am having a miserable time playing Ketramose.

Their unwillingness to compromise on Vivi during the first round of bannings is going to cause their standard revitalization efforts to fail miserably.

The crash is coming.

>>96456384
It’s trash though?
How brain rotted do you have to be to think holding 5 mana open is “good.”

>>96456379
>Vicious Vigilante
>Azorius
I get that she's a cop, but still.

I honestly think the UR Proft's/FOMO deck would be dominating the format almost exactly as hard without Vivi. Winternight Stories and a few other tools really push that strategy over the edge.
Most of the time, you drop or partially drop Vivi in the mirror match anyway. Cut out Cauldron/Vivi and you end up with an even more consistent, though less explosive, list. Standard still would not be able to handle that, and it shows by how often the deck wins without ever having drawn Vivi.

Vivi isn't the only issue. It's a compounding of broken pushed designs all stacked together. FOMO, Proft's, Tersa, Quantum Rider, the deck is STACKED and still the best aggro deck in the format by far without Vivi.

>>96456501
Right now I'm mostly playing a jeskai Rooms deck would post the list but arena is down for me. Im licky enough to have a regular weekly standard group of 8-12 people who all play a mix of jank and sweaty meta decks. Yeah the big tournaments like orlando are all one deck but in real life people play all types of stuff. Saying standard is all one deck is like saying commander is all whatever the best CEDH deck is. If you play arena on standard you see all types of different decks there too. While obviously vivi is a mistake and the 7 bans look bad (they really only needed to ban cutter IMO) people that don't actually play standard are the ones complaining about it which is perplexing

>>96456178
>finally a good wrath
>its ub slop
i dont want to run spider trash...

>>96456288
>1st place deck needed to mainboard a playset of Razorkin Needleheads just to keep anti-control izzet in check
It's fucking Magebane Lizard all over again.

>>96455998
Vivi or not, I'm almost certain people are gonna try to throw the Goblin Glider on something with prowess.

>>96456171
>Four-mana land aura
>Etb make 3 1/1s
>2 mana repeatable Might of the Masses at sorcery speed
It doesn't look that scary, but I have a sinking feeling it'll get broken eventually.

Dead serious.
Look at this shit and tell me it wouldn't still be shitstomping Standard. You even still have redundancy between Planisphere, Artist's Talent etc.

Vivi is barely even half the problem.

>>96456628
Arenabros won

>>96455342
>>96455819
>>96456074
>>96456092
Captain Universe/RYV/Clone Saga Chad's, we won.

Spider-Man and Avatar are supposed to be shiny new toys but will completely fail to move standard. They'll still sell well due to commander, but wow is it not looking good for Standard.

>>96456092
things nobody asked for

>>96456178
who likes this character design? it's like the hentai ugly bastard had a child

>>96456178
>coulda get Alfred Molina kino cards
>get WIDE manlet ugly bastard

>>96456467
7 wasn't enough

Does this mean we're getting OG Swarm in the set?

>>96456715
3,251 would have been better.

>>96456442
>no I don't play standard
Correct
>and never have
False, I haven't played standard in years and looking at the decklists in standard I have 0 reason to take it up again. Also Commander being shit has nothing to do with standard.

>>96455907
Spider-punk is a much cooler UK representative.

>>96456737
Spinder-punk is American in the comics

>>96456628
Proxy yourself UW variant.

>>96455998
Madness land is crazy.
>>96456074
cool
>>96456092
shit
>>96456158
not bad.
>>96456171
>>96456178
cool ones.

>>96456171
Those kids just like Agatha and Scarlet Witch more.

>>96456706
The artist is korean

>>96456714
Do you think WotC would pay extra for the actor's likenesses? They weren't willing to fight to keep the spider-man stuff on Arena, they ain't fighting with Disney to get the MCU actors likenesses.

>>96455907
Wow Uk gets 2 spidermans

>>96456114
Pretty good

>>96456801
they gave me a Jeff Goldblum card...

There's a spider-man stream by the way https://www.twitch.tv/magic

>>96456927
>Hot Dog Cart

>>96456927
haha how long till we get the actual literal food deck
we have instant ramen and hotdogs
I want pizza next

>>96456788
is the original 'murican design different?

>>96456801
They are already paying to have the cards in paper.

>>96456946
Have a bagel too anon

>>96456965
should have been Wheat Cakes

the trend of "Let's put a food in every set except it's even dumber and more cringe than the food we put in the previous set" trend needs to sto[

>>96456074
For a good 10 minutes I thought this was the strongest card ever printed, but then I reread it and realized it's mana value and not power. Still pairs really well with Spider Punk and Cactuar.

>>96456949
No, anon, you don't get how these right purchases work. It's the same reason why the LOTR set had none of the characters looking like the movie actors (Well, beyond the pointless raceswapping, of course)

Actors have likeness rights and have to be paid separately from the rights to a character they portrayed. You could buy the rights to make a product based on a movie, but you'd still have to pay extra for the actor's likeness to add to your product.

Hot Dog Cart..............

Seems good

>>96456965
Wow, so the universes beyond is....New York. Fantastic.

>>96456927
AAAAAAAAAAAAA
FUCKING STOP
STOOOOOOOOP

Where is "Pizza Time"

>>96457072
counter and bounce, yeah, it is good but not usable outside of maybe commander.

>>96456927
>>96456965
Slots right into my Ragost deck.

>Instant Ramen
>Overkill
>City Pigeon
>Hot dog Chart
>Bagel and Schmear
>Guy in a Chair
>Cabbage Merchant
And then some faggots have the nerve to ask what’s wrong with UB and why the real Magic fans hate it…

>>96457135
Real Magic fans are almost extinct, for the real Magic you are a fan of is no more, adapt or move along.

>>96457072
I’m using this in my Esper pixie in Pioneer seems better than Negate for such deck

>>96457019
wait, doc premiered in a movie?

FRESH BREAD

>>96457190
>>96457190
>>96457190
>>96457190
>>96457190

>>96456722
MaRo already said that there would be an Insect Villain, and Swarm makes the most sense for that.

>>96457355
I was just worried it would be Madame Swarm instead, but it seems like we're getting the classic.

Aether Vial of sorts on a body.

>>96457166
No, he didn't.

>>96457417
Should have used the post Clone Saga Lady Octopus.

>>96457491
They are the same person, she just ditched the pink hair.

>>96457547
Yeah, she got redesigned to look like Liv from the Spider-Verse movie because synergy, even if she's a different person entirely.

>>96456927
WHY IS THE MUNDANE HOT DOG CART GENERATING MANA

>>96457597
Power of community. Next question.

>>96457597
It's a radioactive hot dog cart.

>>96454881
>Brainstormed to the top in Legacy

>>96456384
Sokka's haikus were basically a rap battle, so all the card's effects are countering or undoing things to gain the edge.

>>96457417
>You may cast
>cast
Retard

>>96455842
Are those actual real tits I see? Maybe all the breasts of Magic Universe women were siphoned off to be put on UB women

>>96456288
Wow
So this is the power
Of POWERFUL WHITE CARDS
Kek

>>96456965
This means jews are canon to Magic

>>96455472
It was designed so it would have minimal impact in standard.

>>96455907
My new favorite Indian Spider-man.

the game....
is evolving....

>>96460539
pushing boundaries was the first mirrodin and llorwyn. all this set has done was rehash mechanics and leech off existing IP for card ideas.

>>96459380
white just caught up its still a shit color but now its just not unplayably shit in casual formats

>>96456965
Guy in the Chair is eating Bagel and Schmear

>>96455856
Oh yeah, Morbius is a spider-man villain. Wonder where that card is.