Thread 96453299

A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby". I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his game. You know what AI slop is? You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools. You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter. Continue down your path. One day you will awaken and see yourself in a pit of disingenuous tar. An inescapable muck that you have built into your home, a fitting place for a wretch unwilling to unabashedly display their love for their fellow players in any form.

Anyway, post art from your campaigns. I need to update this, but its mostly my current party. Goblin and the orc died during the end of the last dungeon.

OP is highly homosexual.

>>96453299 (OP)
>A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby". I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his game. You know what AI slop is? You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools. You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter. Continue down your path. One day you will awaken and see yourself in a pit of disingenuous tar. An inescapable muck that you have built into your home, a fitting place for a wretch unwilling to unabashedly display their love for their fellow players in any form.
The last artist I approached was a "non-binary vegan anarchist" who wanted $80 for slightly polished MS paint slop, and had a melty because I asked their fujo ass to draw a female character. They all deserve replacement lmao eat shit.

Artists are barely even human anyway.

>>96453299 (OP)
I commissioned an artist for dirt cheap and he drew some sick art of my BBEG. This was like 20 USD.

AI art is inhuman and OP is based.

>>96453399
>BBEG
>but smirking and rounded

Yo dude they don't look evil or imposing

>>96453403
Supposed to look smug as fuck so the players enjoy kicking her face in

>>96453299 (OP)
>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools.
That's kind of our whole deal as a species, that's how mankind conquered all of animal kingdom. Blades of stone and metal to compensate for our underdeveloped claws and so on.

>>96453299 (OP)
>OP makes a post on 4chins rather than mailing a letter to his local paper

>>96453299 (OP)
>AI sucks

Yeah

>>96453399
I can fix her.

>>96453299 (OP)
>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools
What is digital art for 200.

>>96453299 (OP)
>A lot of stupid fucking faggots have been posting some bullshit about how AI art is "good" and "fine for the hobby".
It is. AI, like anything else, is a useful tool to reduce busy work.
>I am here to tell you, no, you are a FAGGOT who will not pour BLOOD SWEAT AND TEARS into his game
I put the effort I would spend drawing or editing the art for dozens of NPCs into making actual content for the players to engage with.
>You know what AI slop is?
A useful tool for NPCs that the party will probably meet once or generic enemies.
>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools.
Humans' greatest trait is their tool use and intelligence. That's why we're the dominant species.
>You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter.
The automatic drill will provide me with work equal to or greater than the carpenter's work. It's more precise, faster, and allows me to focus on other parts of the job rather than wasting days screwing in every single screw by hand.

And I do make art, occasionally. I'm working through drawing art for all the subspecies for my own original Modern Fantasy RPG slowly but surely. I do art comms where I draw myself. AI is just a tool to make GMing easier. Anyway, did this for a DDA 2E game I play in, me and another player 2v2'd some NPCs in a tournament (we're trying to save Angewomon, Mirei - yes THAT Mirei's - Digimon from a Cendrillmon and have to win the tourney to do it) and my digimon basically walked away with only a few scratches and dealt tons of damage to the enemy, basically walking through them.

>>96453399
Tell the artist they can probably charge more. That's really good, better than my best, and I charge 30 bucks for a shaded full body comm (this was after the insistence of some people I know saying my initial rates were too low). That's easily worth 50+.

>>96455201
>AI is just a tool to make GMing easier
Hasn't made mine any easier. Nor harder. Honestly, AI has been so utterly superfluous in the field of roleplaying games I have to wonder what the point of it is. From what I've seen, the only people who even seriously use it are people who are such lazy fucks they can't even be bothered to just steal shit themselves like people used to do for decades before, and want a computer to do it for them. And I can't even feel upset at that. I just feel pity.

>>96455169
It's still reliant in part on actual artistic knowledge and skill. Maybe it's what I use (Paint Tool SAI) but I still have to draw everything myself. Mind you, I do like the stabilizer since I hold my stylus (and thus pencils/pens/other writing implements) wrong, but I'm still drawing everything myself. Using tools is what makes humanity the dominant species. Without our tools, we'd be little more than upright chimps and we never would have risen to the apex of the planet. You aren't hunting mammoths with your bare hands.

Like, I've been drawing since before tablets were even common, I hated the screen-tablets we had to use during my brief stint in art school, but I've had my current one for like 12 years now and as soon as I started using it my art quality started improving drastically. Using tools is, ultimately, part of being human. We're not mindless savages, our keen intellect and tool use is what made us what we are today, and if you think that using tools = no talent or ability, suck a bag of fat cocks you braindead Luddite.

>>96455264
You're lying out of your ass, or you don't know how to use the tools. Which means you're retarded. Like, genuinely mentally handicapped. Tool use is a basic human skill. It's why we're what we are.

It makes it easier for a number of reasons. Need some art for a one-off NPC or low-tier mooks but don't want to spend 30 minutes editing an existing image just to get what you want or worse, 1+ hours drawing to get something presentable? Gen an image with AI. Having trouble coming up with quests to give your players but can't bounce ideas because your players are your friends (as they should be)? Write a prompt to Chat GPT, see what it spits out, and use it as a sounding board (this is different from going "HEY CHAT GPT GIVE ME QUESTS TO GIVE MY PLAYERS" and it feeds you irrelevant stuff you use wholesale btw).

AI is no less a tool than a booru or google images or a fucking stylus and tablet, and to denounce it entirely is the pinnacle of foolishness. Using it as a replacement for everything however is also stupid, because it's just a tool. It requires a human hand to guide it. Like all things, extremism is a cancer and those who cling to extremes are incredibly low IQ and will inevitably be left in the past.

>>96455293
>you have to use this!

Why
It's also easier to play a computer game

>>96453307
>>96453340
>>96453371
Not arguments. Find a based artist to buy from instead of generating a woman with 8 tits

>>96455266
>>96455293
AI image generation is like using Bryce 3d's noise tool for generating terrain. Technically I did make it, but all I did was adjust the prompts involved. Claiming that I'm now a 3d modeller or 3d artist because a machine spat out a result for me (even though I had input) is retarded.

My problem with AI-lets is them claiming that their tool somehow makes them the genuine article, rather than just a monkey cranking a lever for a banana with no concept nor understanding of the actual processes involved.

>>96455293
>You're lying out of your ass, or you don't know how to use the tools
Nah. Tried it a few times, just wasn't any faster than doing it the caveman way is all. I'm glad you've found uses for it, I just haven't had any luck.

>Need some art for a one-off NPC or low-tier mooks but don't want to spend 30 minutes editing an existing image just to get what you want or worse
Not an issue I deal with, since my players don't scrutinize where I get my art from
>Having trouble coming up with quests to give your players
Not an issue I deal with either since I steal from list ideas online when I'm not just listening in on things my players say they want their characters to do and just editing a few names

>Like all things, extremism is a cancer and those who cling to extremes are incredibly low IQ and will inevitably be left in the past.
How am I an extremist to express AI doesn't offer anything for me?

>>96455318
Technology has rendered a lot of jobs obsolete over the last 200 years. Why should you pretentious faggots be exempt?

>>96455318
"Ree stop that" isn't an argument either. Artists do not deserve my money.

>>96453299 (OP)
2023 called. They want their AI slop outrage back

>>96455349
Not an artist so nice try. But also AI art literally scans art so if the artists are useless why you stealing their shit retard
>>96455356
I understand you Baljeets need more rupees to pay for your local street slop by the Ganges, but skill in art is more important

>>96455434
When you need some spoons do you go commision a real smith to make them for you or do you just buy some stamped chinesium from walmart?

>>96455459
It'd depend on if he wants some good quality spoons or some real cheap ass ones, wouldn't it?

>>96455471
You'd have a much better argument if the stamping press couldn't make better spoons almost any actual craftsman.

>>96455489
And yet that's spoons. Art is sadly a different ballpark cause everyone has a different sense of aesthetic or need for a particular desire.

>>96455499
Smithing is just as much of an art as drawing is. Explain why the latter deserves protection when it was perfectly fine for the former to pretty much go extinct.

>>96455459
>>96455489
>>96455518
False equivalence
Also stamping press doesn't make "art" like this
https://a.co/d/dwbUT33

>>96455518
I'm not going to explain that, because I would argue the art of smithing has inherent worth in preserving it.

>>96455216
I have! I keep telling him he can charge more but he's in the Philippines and thinks his current rates are fair.
I tip him semi-regularly though

>>96453299 (OP)
Don't care, will use AI if only to make you mad.

>>96455318
What exactly am I buying? It better not be digital, why should I pay for a mere copy of something everyone else can also have, etc

I'm fine with people using AI art for random NPCs. However I'm also fine with simply not having art for random NPCs.
They're random NPCs, why do they need art when the spoken word will do just fine?
Important characters deserve the SOVL of a human hand. Preferably the hand of the player who is playing that character, or failing that the group's most proficient doodleist.

>>96455518
Smithing was done for the purpose of creating a certain physical object, where as the arts are done for the purpose of communication.

>>96455308
I hate to break it to you buddy, but pencils, paper, notepads, digital documents, spreadsheets, and even rulebooks and dice are tools. If you're using any of those in your games, then sorry, you're using tools. And I use spreadsheets (every single system I run or play I either have or have made a google character sheet for, myself, diving into coding hell), docs (Keeping notes) and even a VTT (because in this day and age, it's largely impractical to have a dedicated space for gaming unless you're stupid rich, like inherited wealth rich, let alone to play with people who might live continents away), which guess what? Those are all tools. Humans use tools. It's what makes us the dominant species. Without tools, we'd never have gotten where we are today. Or whatever arbitrary time period you think came before what you perceive as humanity's decline.

>>96455325
It's a useful tool like anything else. As I said, it's not a replacement, but nor is it something to be shunned. it is no less useful than a table in a rulebook, a set of dice, or a notepad and pencil for keeping track of campaign notes, but just like those things, on their own they are useless. And as I've shown, I still do draw stuff, I just use AI when I need something quick because it's faster than going "Okay I have to find art someone drew, photoshop it to be exactly what I want, or worse sit down and draw something for glup shitto who's going to show up maybe twice in the campaign if that".

>>96455580
Keep pressuring him, he's worth more than 20 bucks. Do keep tipping him too, bro needs to understand his value.

>>96455318
If you think that's what AI does these days, you haven't seen what it's capable of. It's even starting to get hands and eyes down pretty well.

>>96455869
I'll take what is a statue for 500 alex

>>96455891
What if AI isn't useful to you, though?

>>96455737
Right, exactly. Every case where AI would be okay, nothing would be also. So why bother with the AI? Nothing costs you nothing, AI, even if you aren't paying for the model has a cost.
>>96455891
>what is a statue
Still often made, and always designed by a person.
>tool
Generative AI is not a tool, it's a """toool""". My dick is a tool. You are a tool. You're making a retarded semantics argument, because that's all you have.

>>96455891
>>Keep pressuring him, he's worth more than 20 bucks
His prices change depending on what he's drawing (full-body, half-body, etc.)
For example pic was 30 USD

Listen, stupid faggots, yes AI can be used as a tool but like other crafts and trades increasing the rate of production adds NOTHING to the craft. Look at buildings from 1950 and look at what we have now. Look at actual art with personality and compare it to the shit you churn out and claim has any value. Explain to me why YOU don't make some fucking art. Put your god damn heart into your campaign, make shit that expresses you and your players. Or just churn out faggotslop that only has meaning if your a Jewish golem.

>>96455737
>fine with simply not having art for random NPCs.
Not okay for OP, because his "games" are online multimedia webinars.

>>96456827
>Look at actual art with personality
Artists stopped producing that decades ago anyway.

>>96456827
Wouldn't every AI image I generate contain my "personality" since *I* wrote the prompt for it?
The more detailed my prompt is, or the more control I have over the AI machine, the more of my "personality" would be transferred into the image.

>>96457397
Considering your input amounts to telling a goldfish what direction to turn, not really. Unless you consider your personality to be nothing more than data points and numbers.

>>96456827
There is art that is meant to be contemplative and there is (an overwhelming majority of) art that is meant to be consumed and discarded. It’s the whole difference between fine arts and practical arts. Both AI art and twitter drawfag shit fall squarely into the latter category.

>>96457663
How do you know art that you think was meant to be consooomed wasn't actually meant to as contemplative?

>>96453340
why did you approach an artist with an artstyle you dislike who doesn't do the subject matter you're after?

>>96457627
So do real artists' personality boil down to nothing more than ink or pixels?
And that's a bad analogy, because I can give the goldfish exact instructions on where to move and how and for how long, enough for me to make it move however I want. And it wouldn't be doing anything if it weren't for those instructions. Imagine attributing an real artist's work to their pen.
How many steps does there need to be in between the creator and the creation for it to no longer be considered a creation of the creator?

OP is:
bald
fat
a commie
and maybe considering being a tranny

>>96458153
I'm read OP in a Jordan Peterson voice and it's just too fitting.

>>96458138
A computer understands you as well as a goldfish does. i.e. it thinks like a computer/goldfish, not a human. Your instructions mean diddly dick to the computer any more than your words matter to the goldfish beyond the bare minimum association. Even then, for it to count as the work having "your personality", you would have to have a direct hand in the involvement of the piece, something greater than just telling the computer what to do. We don't praise HarperCollins for the work on the Hobbit any more than we credit Pope Clement VII or his successors for the The Last Judgement. Why the fuck would anyone praise YOU for taking all the credit for the machine's handiwork, dumbass?

If I had to use an artbot I'd ask it to draw something that makes it happy :)

>>96458350
>Your instructions mean diddly dick to the computer any more than your words matter to the goldfish beyond the bare minimum association.
What the goldfish computer understands doesn't really matter does it.
>, for it to count as the work having "your personality", you would have to have a direct hand in the involvement of the piece, something greater than just telling the computer what to do
Where is the exact line between direct involvement in creation and having no involvement at all. I could draw a line that bends a specific way (the *exact* way *I want it to* bend) in the middle with a pen on paper or I could tell a computer to make it.
>taking all the credit for the machine's handiwork
The machine was used as an extention of the user's will to do as they wanted it and how. It wouldn't have done anything without the user.

>>96458599
>What the goldfish computer understands doesn't really matter does it.
If you want it to be taken as art and not just "a drawing the computer made", it kinda does

>>96453299 (OP)
Your art is low-effort and your group's characters are even more low-effort. Yeah I'd rather look at AI slop than that.

>>96453340
You and the artist are both faggots. You deserve each other.

>>96453399
Pretty good but extremely generic. Who fuckin cares?

>>96456827
90 percent of commission artists are soulless and unoriginal anyway.

>>96458662
Not really. Not anymore than if your stylus pen had sentience.

>>96459167
Then if you don't care what went into the piece, why should anyone else care?

>>96455678
if cost matters to you surely the energy spent by electricity and water using AI should be enough

>>96455891
>you haven't seen what it's capable of.
Anon... should we replace you if we find a cloning machine that replaces Indians like yourself

>>96453299 (OP)
Anti-AI shit is so performative.
The day is coming where you won’t be able to recognize AI art as AI, what will you cry about then?

>>96453340
>I approached an artist I hate
>With the artstyle I hate
>Asked to do what they hated
>How could this be happening to me?

>>96459568
Considering how many ai artists can't help themselves but brag about how much the anti-ai art babies will cry seeing their work, they'll out themselves without anyone trying

>retarded culture war shit #28964187341280342
fuck ai and its consoomer cultists who somehow believe putting absolutely no effort into anything you do is owning the libs. amazing. these same people believe that it will replace art, when they use a 14 year olds doodles as an example of why real artists deserve to be replaced because they will not provide them with underage blonde bob and vagene. no wonder pajeets love ai so much. sad!

>>96453399
>comissioning a furry porn artist for campaign art
bruh

>>96460631
He actually mainly does humans. I was curious if he could do a snake person and he could!

I, as a DM make extensive use of AI to generate: NPC, monsters, mooks, generals and bosses.
My players love it.

>>96459616
>Asked to do what they hated
this is like a shit artist take.
like if you're looking for work, you shouldn't turn down something so broad.

>>96455318
This is also not really an argument but moralizing.
what's the functional cost between me using an image from my character art folder (something we have right now) and using AI?
that a human hand made it?
no money is passing hands between me and the artist.

AI Is a tool, like automation, it raises the skill floor we expect from artists as a result the lower skilled artists get crushed and these tend to be the people who rage most vehemently against it.
I would still prefer imagines made with intention, and the foibles of man but that doesn't mean turning into DR Ted because some faggot used AI Elf titties in his DND game.

>>96461106
TL;DR We get it, you enjoy ai slop, but trying to frame this as a "muh progress" narrative doesn't make it any less slop

Not since the NPC meme has there been a more telling litmus test. Many, many people on this earth have no soul.

>Warcraft fan getting rectally ravaged about AI Slop
This is like Kurt Cobain trying to have a seminar about not doing drugs, not anheroing, and not putting your wing wong in crazy.
>>96453307
Fippy Bippy!

>>96459219
What the tool I use thinks about my work has no relevance on what I think about it.
And really it's up to the viewer wether or not they care or not.

>>96453399
20 USD is a sweet bargain.

Genuinely strange that you guys who've for years prided yourself as pro-nature, pro-human, pro-soul, real, hardworking, all of the above, who would reject lazy, ugly, easy-way-out, degenerate art created by humans are now with open arms embracing similar degenerate art as created by a machine. Genuinely is the only reason because you don't like the people who're largely against it? Is your tribe more important than your humanity? Or did you reject your humanity? Do you want real human expression to be destroyed and replaced by a degenerate glob of noise and pixels that was barely even touched by human hands? I am genuinely asking because it's really baffling to me why we're headed toward a world where hard work and effort, to glorify one's ability, one's Creator, one's purpose, one's humanity is just completely rejected in favor of leaving it up to a machine for instant gratification. Are you literally retarded? Do you hate the talents that God gave you? I am so confused.

>>96462621
Mooom he's using vague spiritualist language to pad out his arguments again!

>>96453340
None of that shit ever happened and you know it.

I'm a professional illustrator and make my living doing art, and even I totally get how AI art is an almost irresistible tool for anyone wanting or needing visuals who does not have the time or skills to produce them, or who doesn't want to pay for them (good art is expensive yo - the 20/30 bucks shit in this thread is massively underpriced, I take 80 bucks an hour).

So while my market will definitely shrink, and having honed this specific skill that's being replaced for more than two decades, I still understand having AI at your disposal is a massively useful tool and there's no way around that now. For examples like mentioned in this thread - once-occurring NPCs, mood pics of a landscape in a private game - sure why the fuck wouldn't you? The results are genuinely amazing quality, if you manage to iron out the sloppy artifacts.

Personally, if I see AI anywhere that is supposed to be a professional work, I am immediately turned off and boycotting that product - not because I am offended as an artist, but because it tells me the company doesn't care about their product and would rather skim on cost than deliver quality. Because you can't compare AI to an automatic drill - it doesn't just help you in your creative process, it takes over the entire creative process.

>>96462018
Worse than that. They do have soul but hate the fact and desperately wish they were those aliens from Blindsight as they were sold the dida that becoming such a thing will make them more competitive in whatever markets they are involved in.

>>96462739
You need an LLM to give you a tldr?

>>96462499
Glad that you've resigned yourself entirely to just pumping out slop then

>>96462621
>as pro-nature, pro-human, pro-soul, real, hardworking, all of the above, who would reject lazy, ugly, easy-way-out, degenerate art created by humans
Who are you quoting?

>>96453299 (OP)
You could have had a genuinely good thread, if you left out that blog post.
>Share art from your campaigns.
>No slop, only the art you made yourself. Quality doesn't matter.
Voila, you would have had a fine thread.

>>96463041
Ok.

>>96459219
>Then if you don't care what went into the piece
I do though.
I'm giving the goldfish computer precise instructions on what **I**want it to make.
What it thinks doesn't matter since it won't do anything on it's own.

>>96453299 (OP)
The thing I genuienly dislike it's that AI has really made searching for art a challange, I wish there was an AI filter so I didnt have to spend way too much time being extra careful not clicking in an image that will pollute my search just because It looks decente in small size only to reveal itself to be generated trash once I click on It.

>>96463430
duckduckgo has this feature. Although it's not really reliable. We can only hope it will get better. Unfortunately AI mongrels do tag stuff wrong on purpose (both ways), which makes developing this stuff harder than it should be.

>>96459475
> “oops, it ripped in transit!”
Just paint me another one, bitch

Photoshop and illustrators are just you stealing the work of programmers.

>>96463550
Main energy cost of chat GPT is in setting it up and training the underlaying neural net

>>96463430
>I wish there was an AI filter
So much this.
I'm not even anti-AI but same.

>>96456827
>Explain to me why YOU don't make some fucking art.
Because I don't fucking care about anything other than the results and manually doing art takes time away from other, more important things, like actual fucking campaign prep or hashing out a bestiary you retard.

>>96463662
>I don't fucking care about anything other than the results
Hylic detected

>>96463669
Give me one reason to care about doing something deeply unenjoyable that I don't have to do.

>>96453299 (OP)
>if you don't use AI, you'll be left behind

I don't understand where it is I'm supposed to have been going.

The only time I want a computer involved in my hobby is never.

>but I can't draw!

Unironically a life skill up until not long ago. If you can paint a miniature, fuck outta here

>>96463669
This. The hobby is the journey

>>96463679
If the process of creating something does not bring you joy, you're not human.

>>96463810
>Unironically a life skill up until not long ago.
How.

>>96455266
>using tools is what makes you human
>>96463852
>using a tool makes you inhuman
WHICH IS IT??

>>96453299 (OP)
Personally, I agree. You need to invest more than a token amount of effort to get something really worthwhile out of AI.
Yes, it gen basic bitch sameface anime shitters, but greater variety requires tinkering with the style and a good exp with the promts. It's annoying, and it's rarely quite "right" as you think it up.

It's a tool for the lazy and uninspired. Like 5ed. Or nuhammer 41k.

>>96463633
The irony that you’d love to make it about cost because that’s something you can ask it about.
> ban collages! tehy steel!

>>96463904
Your reading comprehension is lacking.

>>96453299 (OP)
>You coveting the ability of others and compensating by using tools.
Put your money where your mouth is, faggot.
No more grocery shopping. Hunting & gathering only.
No more googling shit and don't even think about going to the library. Hands on experience only.
You didn't even build the house you live in. Tear it down and rebuild that shit with your bare hands. No tools allowed, obviously.

>>96463892
Because even a mute illiterate boob could communicate via drawing a house on fire to indicate someone needs to call the local fire department immediately. Even monkeys and babies have a rough grasp of shapes and colors.

>>96462779
>blueskytard cope

>>96455737
Having NPC token art for tactical grid-based combat is nice to have if you're playing online.
When playing in-person, it's probably better to improvise with whatever physical objects you have on hand.
"Alright, this zippo lighter, pencil eraser, and silver dollar are the three goblins you are fighting now."
Otherwise, yeah, you don't really need art for random NPCs.

>>96463662
You can also do camping prep and a bestiary with AI, why would you waste that time

>>96464138
The only person on the planet who is described as a "non-binary vegan anarchist" is Andrew O'Neill, who is a comedian.

Shit did not happen.

>>96463892
>>96464105

Pre photography it was something people across the English speaking world did casually at a level that would wow most artists today. Especially in the professional fields and throughout the British empire and definitely peaking in the Victorian era. Lithographs or mass print and photography really had taken over but if you did any sort of surveying, exploring, botany, medicine, restoration, excavation, engineering, cartography, school teaching, frontline journalism or were even just keeling a ship's log, you would have had need of it.

By the Edwardian era, sketching and cartooning had become more specialised.

It really bothers me how much you Zoomers don't know. Look at the botanist Joseph Banks and his diary is "yeah so basically I'm no artist but shitmunch that I am, I knocked something up that hopefully pleases King George, God bless the mad old Kraut bastard" *proceeds to make something incredible*

>>96464356
I just get the AI to play DnD while I pull lithium and gold out of toxic, filthy piles of ewaste.

>>96464356
Higher payoff to time-investment ratio. The fine details are a lot more important and easy to fuck up for in-game stuff than art. The impact of a single sentence of worldbuilding, story details, or game mechanics will have consequences that players will feel for the rest of the campaign. Meanwhile, players might glance at a piece of art maybe only once and forget about it. You would know this if you actually played games.

>>96464356
Because the AI can never do those competently and I actually get enjoyment out of them.

>>96463952
Like if we'd ask for the benefits of it, we'd end up with a societal net loss.

Might as well shop lift.

>>96462621
>Genuinely is the only reason because you don't like the people who're largely against it?
Yes. Fuck those whiny entitled bitches.
>Is your tribe more important than your humanity?
Yes. I am more important than anyone else.
>Or did you reject your humanity?
Yes. Humanity means nothing to me.
>Do you want real human expression to be destroyed and replaced by a degenerate glob of noise and pixels that was barely even touched by human hands?
No, but it doesn't make a difference to me in the end.
>I am genuinely asking because it's really baffling to me why we're headed toward a world where hard work and effort, to glorify one's ability, one's Creator, one's purpose, one's humanity is just completely rejected in favor of leaving it up to a machine for instant gratification.
We have shortening attention spans and worsening critical thinking skills in the global populace due to bombardments of instant-gratification short-form-content and covert corporate-lobbied political propaganda campaigns. Worse still, increasing work hours, lowering wages, and increasing costs of living give less time for leisure, hobbies, and introspection. All critical thinking and creative pursuits must be streamlined, optimized, and offloaded to corporate narrative machines in order to provide more time to work. Then we have intensified online tribalism as product brandnames replace religion, friendships, family bonds, facets of personal identity, measures of self-worth, and shared cultural narratives. All of this working to squash all human individualism.
>Are you literally retarded?
That is what I hope to be.
>Do you hate the talents that God gave you?
Yes. Human sapience and creativity are just a burden in today's world. If I did not have a soul, everything would be easier. I'm tired of fighting. I've given up. Go ahead without me.

>>96453307
Fpbp
>>96453299 (OP)
>/tg/ - Traditional Games

>>96453402
AI is literally a human invention

>>96455201
>reduce busywork
If you see your campaign as busywork, just don't fucking do it and have someone competent do it instead.
>making content
I thought you said it's busywork, you fucking nigger?
>generic enemies
You're a troon and have failed. Enemies aren't meant to be generic. If I was your player and saw that you're not putting in the effort, then why would I put my effort into your game?
>tool use and intelligence
Nigga, it's literally artificial intelligence. You're using a statistical text extender AND you weren't the one who invented it anyway. You're letting somebody else draw cards with pre-gen text on them.
>using an automatic drill makes you as good as a carpenter
There's a great Russian story called "The Monkey and the Glasses"

>>96455891
>spreadsheets
Holy shit, just fucking kill yourself.

>>96463904
But you aren using a tool, you're commissioning something from an electric idiot.

>>96464948
>If you see your campaign as busywork, just don't fucking do it and have someone competent do it instead.
Do you chop down trees to mulch and press into paper too or that """busywork"""?
>I use a compu-
Oh. Lmao.

>>96456929
Wrong. Also, you're brown.

>>96457397
No because it's statistically transformative. Also, you're brown.

>>96457663
Consumable art isn't art. Also, you're brown.

>>96458599
Wrong. It was the extension (fucking ESLs) of the creator of the neural network. You were entirely incidental. Also, you're brown.

>>96459568
If you were like me and trained on classical western art, you will be able to tell the difference. Also, you're brown.

>>96460713
You and your players - actually who am I kidding, you're a nogames - are hylics. Also, you're brown.

>>96463679
It builds character. But since you're brown, you wouldn't know anything about it.

>>96465003
Are you actually retarded? Don't answer that, the answer is "yes."

>buying paper
Someone made that. I am exchanging money for goods.
>printing the book
Again, someone created that and I paid for it.

>using AI
There's no creation involved because there's no human element. Thus it's a false equivalency. Go back to Delhi, ranjeesh benchod.

Yeah that's right. Fuck off AI niggers. If you need to outsource your creativity to a machine, you're literally not human.

>>96464600
>It really bothers me how much you Zoomers don't know
I'm pretty sure even boomers wouldn't know much about the era before the camera was invented.

>you're a hylic
>you're brown
>you're not human
I genuinely didn't expect an AI seething thread to summon /pol/

>>96464970
>electric idiot.
What is a tool for 500.

>>96461220
You actually suck at reading if you think this was a matter of "progress." and that i like AI.

i like how you can spin around and say everyone else has no argument and then scream and piss when someone actually does.

Not paying $200 up front for a half-assed sketch in two years. Maybe you should have listened to the boomer and got a real job.

>>96467552
You use a lot of ai shill language for someone who claims they aren't

>>96465010
>Consumable art isn't art. Also, you're brown.
>classical western art,
show your art. i'm a romantic and even i fucking think you're wrong.
All art is a craft, an an avenue for human expression, when people made those classical works they were meant to be consumed, placed in common places to be looked at.
they were also displays of wealth, opulence or religious commitment
they had a social purpose.

popular art isn't really different, from the moment we had common access to materials people will and can make works that express either something about the human condition or try to connect with other people.

popular art is not lesser for it, art that is not deep will still resonate with people. they can simply be executed to show one's mastery of the craft and not be deep or meaningful.

all works exist to bridge that lonely gap between people, to express something, to share something and just like bonds between people they can simply be transitory, temporary and not intended to be more.

>>96465027
no that'd be you.

there's a lot of arguments you can made about AI.
that it's a Chinese room,
that you're stealing people's work
that it's just a pattern finding machine that makes nothing with intention and will inevitably fall apart when given bad data.

but you choose to focus on the value, the money.
instead of using AI someone will just find an image. the artist will not get compensated for my use. no new art is getting created/commissioned. what is the FUNCTIONAL logical difference between that an AI if all you care for is the exchange of money.

>>96467570
like what?
there are retards who think LLM and other neuralnetworks are the second coming.

i think it's an overstated piece of software with niche applications. it's just a photobash.
the difference is i say that it demolishes the lower tier of artists (kinda) because while it's not good it absolutely raises the skill floor for commissions.
that's seperate from saying, i think it's moral that people scrape the websites and use people's art as training data, that's shit
NN will not beat humans at intention, it lacks soul and when it does we're fucked anyway

>>96465097
I'm too old. This argument looks exactly like how artists argued against Photography, Digital Art, and tablets.

>NO!!! NO!!! SAAR, I NEED CHATGPT TO GENERATE MY BASED ARYAN TRADWIVES, BENCHOD!!! DO NOT REDEEM!!!
Why are so many AI shills pajeets?

>>96464621
Try and I bet your players wont notice if you actually do use AI
>muh details!
No one cares.

>>96464648
You could get enjoyment out of drawing too if you tried.

>>96467720
post skincolour anon.

This is fun to watch

>>96467102
You're a little dense, aren't you?
If you pay someone 500 bucks to fix your car you're not a mechanic. Even if you told them in detail what to fix.

>>96464648
Go with the time old man. Human GMs are a relic of the past. You're just in denial.

>>96465010
>Consumable art isn't art.

Pack it up, boys we got an intellectual

>>96467063
>non statement for the purpose of hearing its own voice in its head

>>96467088
They usually love AI, being creatively bereft.

If anyone can point me in the direction of an AI breakthrough that has msde us all richer, happier or healthier I'd love to hear about it.

>>96468076
>If anyone can point me in the direction of an AI breakthrough that has msde us all richer, happier or healthier I'd love to hear about it.
AI can be a brilliant technology. It's already commonly used in fraud detection and cybersecurity. Some pretty ground braking stuff is currently being tested in the medical field like tumor detection and other diagnostic tools.
It's just not the AI techbros and jeets love so much, since it requires a few more brain cells to understand instead of just generating a pair of tits with octopus limbs. LLMs are a bit of a mixed bag. Currently they're little more than interfaces that bundle multiple tools which would each be better off being developed separately.

>>96453299 (OP)
Here's our sorcerer dunking on a crystal man.

>>96467063
Man, I wish we had records from that time.

>>96468139
When it does something really cool I'l support it
Until then it's a bubble used by people who can't drawt to torture Wacom furries

To all the faggots using AI in their games all I have to say is this SHOVE YOUR AI SLOP UP YOUR FUCKING ASS

>>96467623
>all art is a craft
You ain't romantic, you're a hylic. Pic related can never be created by an "AI." The fact that you're conflating art with illustration tells me everything I need to know about your opinions. I'm not gonna even bother reading the rest of it.

>>96467708
Post a picture of your skin with a timestamp.

>>96468076
Correct. Consumable art isn't art, I'm glad you acknowledge my intellectual superiority.

>>96468288
Post your art.

Also, why not use AI to summarize things anon, i know your reading skils are shit?

>>96468302
>Consumable art isn't art
objectively wrong.
you are literally a philistine.
your ability to talk about art is revoked.

>>96455266
Did you draw her? shes cute

>>96467766
I have tried. I don't just not get enjoyment from it, I get negative enjoyment.

>>96469127
thats because youre bad at it, eventually youll be good at it. you getting "negative enjoyment" from drawing is just you being a faggot embarrassed that youre bad at something and instead of embracing it and pushing forward, you make a robot do all the creative parts for you.

>>96469280
No, it's not because I'm bad at it. I'm bad at plenty of things and enjoy them.

>>96469290
other than saving time theres no reason to use ai art other than insecurity

>>96469299
False. It's adding visuals where there otherwise wouldn't be any.

>>96469317
im not arguing with someone this brainrotted from constant slop consumption.

>>96453299 (OP)
I would be unable to refrain from calling one of those characters a Tonka truck if I were at this table. That's my contribution to this thread.

>>96469321
It's not an argument. i did without art for 2 decades. Your butthurt is not my problem.

>>96468180
It already does, if you look beyond the toys techbros try to sell as the future. AI is a broad term that includes way more than generative AI.

>>96470483
Most of that is in fields that are also heavily involved in tech that rarely if ever directly touch the lives of the average schmuck. All this AI stuff is to most people is a bunch of resource depleting toys that the rich are using to become richer while the world keeps going to pot to support the techbros’ dream of replacing humanity for more literal drones instead of just metaphorical ones. It’s not exactly fair, but mass media isn’t exactly in a hurry to correct that.

>>96468325
My art? Sure.

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/en/product/516466/twisted-shadows-compendium-of-the-dark-elves

https://files.catbox.moe/xsolyj.pdf

None of this used AI. All hand-written, all art purchased from artists. Your move, faggot.

>>96467758
How about you try playing a game.

>>96471922
post it in thread, with timestamp anon.
what are you scared?

>>96453299 (OP)
Regarding this debate, I keep thinking about these three cavemen.

You see, one caveman had figured out that if he chewed up the pigment and spat it on the cave wall, it sore or created and airbrush and he could block it either his hands to create patterns.
The other two cavemen were observing this and one said to the other:
"Sure, it's quicker and easier. But is it art?"

I am an artist and a writer and I am not afraid of AI. All it means is that I have to be better than the machine.
Challenge accepted.

>>96475697
No one is afraid of it. They’re just tired of the spam of endless low-effort garbage, ai or not.

>>96475725
>They’re just tired of the spam of endless low-effort garbage, ai or not.
This is 4chan. Low effort garbage as been most of what I have seen since 2013.

I just posted a thread hoping for discussion and fully expect it to die without any interest, just like many before. But not all.

>>96453299 (OP)
You fucking "artists" have been so shit for the last decade that A.I. is infinitely better than your woke ass shit. Self-entitled delusional freaks will never get a penny from me. Hail AI.

>>96464496
>nuuu stop pointing out how pathetic my ilk is!!
That's the average loony on tumblr, you dilating retard

>>96476187
Stop lying anon, just admit that you lied for attention. Lashing out like a cornered toddler is not a good look.

I'd rather see shitty ms paint art like OP than anything AI could ever shit out

>>96476217
You take zero responsibility for being insufferable even when shown the facts, and then complain about being replaced, hold this L faggot

>>96453340
>The last artist I approached
You are now the last anon I responded to on 4chan. Should I conclude every retard on 4chan the same kind of retard that you are? No.
Stop conflating.

>>96476258
I can't even tell what the cherry picked text in that image is intended to be.
But yes, many people are mentally ill and completely lacking in self awareness and latch onto a cause they think others care about in order to join some form of shared identity.
I hope the irony is not lost on you but it probably is.

Pic related was the second image AI concluded from that description.
The first might've earned me a ban.

>>96476410
>Pic related
Goddammit

>>96475287
Post what? My PDF-only book?

>>96456110
Not that guy but god damn you got that brainwashed christian desperation "w-well just do it it doesnt cost anything" in that post lmao

>>96476982
>christians catching strays out of nowhere
Man, leave this between you and that guy, please.

>>96456110
>Generative AI is not a tool
It literally is.
If someone uses a tool to do all the work, the result is slop. Like autotuning.
If they take the time and effort to use the tool to create with intent, then the result is something that has quality even if you can see the marks left by the tool.
Topnotch tool use is indistinguishable from works made without the tool, it's simply easier and quicker.

I've seen a number of videos with AI generated elements and a handful were really fucking great.
Don't hate the tool. Hate the useless fucker throwing out slop.

>Every case where AI would be okay, nothing would be also. So why bother with the AI?
>>96455737
>However I'm also fine with simply not having art for random NPCs.
>They're random NPCs, why do they need art when the spoken word will do just fine?
Something is better than nothing. But for the most part, I'd agree. Random Villager NPC art or silhouette or nothing is all fine.

>Important characters deserve the SOVL of a human hand.
Sure but if the available hands suck and there isn't time or money to acquire it, why not AI? In my experience, it varies.

>Nothing costs you nothing, AI, even if you aren't paying for the model has a cost.
Do tell. I am curious about this "cost".
It really seems like you're working hard to apply weight to an issue lacking one.

All this said, I'd prefer getting a request from a draw thread and Photoshopping it.

Photoshop would be another one of those tool things.

>>96453299 (OP)
>You are a fool with an automatic drill acting greater than a true carpenter.
Your analogy is retarded. Should I use a fucking rock to hammer in nails because it's more "authentic," than building with actual tools? Tell my player to fuck off with the 3D printed model of his character because he didn't whittle it out of wood or something? The goal is to run a fun game for your friends, not to play out some suffering artist shit.

>An inescapable muck that you have built into your home, a fitting place for a wretch unwilling to unabashedly display their love for their fellow players in any form.
It's a tool. It's the modern version of ripping a picture out of an old D&D monster manual. You think Gygax personally sculpted every miniature and painted every landscape for his players? Never repurposed old toys, never reused stuff from old games? Get the fuck over yourself.

If you can draw and you have the free time to make art for every single NPC and monster your players might encounter, go ahead. It's your game. I'd rather spend my time writing, thinking of plotlines and quests, or designing dungeons and traps. Those are the parts of running a game that I enjoy. Much easier to generate an image or look for some art online than spend a year+ training a skill or shell out $30-50 for a decent commission (which could take weeks for the artist to actually get to).