Thread 96453718

Tomb King edition

>Resources:
WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwh
WM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgeba
WFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6
Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H

>TOW:
https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXS
https://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/

>Warhammer Chronicles:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip
>Time of Legends:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip
>The End Times:
https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip

>Alternative Models:
https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL

>Previous Thread:>>96423409

>TQ: What is your favorite proxy mini maker?

>>96453718 (OP)
I use some monsters from ArchonStudio for one-off creatures, like giants, dragons, messed up Mordheim ogres and such.
Otherwise I just take from GW other ranges and specialist games.

>>96453874
Going by your pic, you're not proxying anything. You're using first party sculpts as the thing they were intended to represent (beastmen as beastmen, in your case).

>>96453874
They look so much better in that scheme than the bright blue cartoon colours

>>96453718 (OP)
Forgot to answer
>TQ: What is your favorite proxy mini maker?
Monstrous encounters. If he made minis for each army I'd probably use his stuff almost exclusively. Highlands miniatures for sheer range coverage. Vae Victis miniatures for modular sets with good proportions.

Thanks to the anon last thread who reminded me about Jota for squigs, they are indeed good ones. I'm using Jota's black orcs already, as it happens.

I believe that the tomb kings and wood elves will receive an update on all their miniatures in the near future, because I think it is simple they do not exist in AoS let me explain the high elves and vampire counts are not in the old world because a faction very similar to them already exists in AoS on the other hand we have the empire and bretonnia that will not receive an update of their miniatures for the same reason in AoS there is a faction similar to them empire and cities of sigmar and bretonnia and flesh-eating courts, for which the tomb kings and wood elves will be updated because they have no counterpart in AoS.

>>96454355
wood elves don't need updates, their range is fine, even the 6th ed models.

>>96453922
Yeah, I don't have many that are on square bases or aren't heavily kitbashed. So, here is a wizard.

>>96453940
Thanks!

>>96454377
Why that face, my friend? What bothered you? Is it because I compared the Bretonnians and the flesh-eating courts as equals? Well, I'm sorry, but it's not my fault that the unstoppable and powerful hordes of ghouls and cannibal vampires compare them to the dirty, smelly, stupid, useless Bretonnian knights.

>>96454355
If you count cities and ghouls as similar to empire and brets than surely you can compare tomb kings to ossiarch, and especially wood elves to sylvaneth?
The only faction with 0 equivalent to aos is beastmen.

>>96454760
The Ossiarch are based more on the samurai than on the Egyptians. The Sylvanet are only dryads and treemen, and the beastmen did have their counterpart in Aos. They were called beastmen of chaos. They were practically the same as the beastmen, only adding chaos to the end of their names.

>>96454807
They were actually called "beasts" of chaos and included dragon ogres in addition to beastmen

>>96454355
>high elves and vampire counts are not in the old world

Imagine they add sea elves from AoS to Old World a sa new army.
How would you react?

>>96454943
doesn't really fit, the Sea Guard list is about as close as we will get to a full Sea Elf list in TOW

>>96454943
Cathy shit clearly shows they gave up on the lore, so they might as well port Horus Heresy models

>>96454969
>might as well port Horus Heresy models
Reintroducing powerswords, boltguns and other "technological gifts" of chaos to fantasy would unironically be better than Cathay or retarded fish-elves

>>96454943
eh

I already have my extensive headcanons sorted, whatever they do to the canon is beyond my cares

>>96454911
Show me the VC AJ

>>96454807
Ossiarch still have some pretty clear fantasy egypt influences, as seen by their cartouches. Sylvaneth also have half elf bodies. They're both distinct from their fantasy counterparts, but again so are cities and ghouls (even more so I would argue). I know about beasts, that's what makes it so ironic.
>>96454943
Would be based

Something for wood elves or high elves?

>>96455302
AoS

>>96455212
what if I show you the high elves one, retard

>Ogors rumored to be getting a refresh in AoS
>Ogres received a refresher course of their lore in the Cathay Journal
My delusions will not be quenched

>>96455302
>>96455340
Judging by how thick the edge highlights are, it's probably some mesbg thing. I'll be pleasantly surprised if it turns out to be a wh model, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

>>96455302
MESBG

>>96455302
probably AoS

>>96455302
looks almost exactly like the arrowtip in picrel (topleft), probably aos wood elves.
>>96455445
recent tga rumour seems to suggest all pre-8th edition stuff getting either refreshed or squatted

>>96455212
"vampire counts are not in the old world" is not the same thing as "vampire counts don't have an arcane journal".

>>96455579
I don't think that ever gets rumor engines

>>96455600
wood mechs look so fucking bad
aos design is so fucking soulless

>second Cathay Journal with no Battlemonks
I suppose the models I have will just be painting projects after all….(Is an all Goblin army doable in TOW? Night Goblins seem like fun)

>>96456135
>so fucking soulless
So it fits in with wood elves

>>96456160
No but it fits with whatever soulless copyrighted name they gave to the wood elves in aos.

>>96456136
the Cathay Monks did at least get mentioned in the new AJ.
Yeah a Night Goblin army works well enough in TOW but I'm not sure how much that has changed since the change in rules last month

>>96455600
>all pre-8th edition stuff
except gnoblars, weirdly enough

>>96456287
Gnoblars are free if with the Leadbelcher/Ironguts/Glutton kit, if they’re updating/squatting them, then people will actually have to pay for Gnoblars.

>>96456315
Gnoblars are an actual kit, anon
And the rumor in question didn't say they would go away or get updated, unlike all other stuff that got directly mentioned

>>96456400
My j-joke didn’t land…..

>>96456425
To be honest with you, at the third slash I stopped reading.

The empire needs mechs.

>>96456769
this is not the thread for you

>>96456793
Like a magical golem.

>>96456769
No the empire is the boring human faction you can only get uh…cool wizards at best.

>>96456823
Oh, then the empire* already has that


*of grand cathay

>>96456769
steampunk mechs.

>>96457186
OPR has a range for you

>>96457186
RoL > RoN

How do your dudes deal with their local beastmen tribes?
Are they nothing more than a nuisance, a growing threat, or does your guys try and stay under the radar of their cloven overlords?

Do any of you play OPR alongside/instead of WHFB/TOW?

>>96457431
Those look neat, , though I wish GW did it themselves.

>>96457494
Definitely. Legends was so good, and desperately needs more attention (and be brought to Steam/GOG).

>>96457540
The ruleset I mean, not specifically using their proxies

>>96457540
I do, yeah. I enjoy Age of Fantasy Regiments.

>>96457526
In the off chance he runs into beastmen, Korgoth challenges their chieftain to a duel to the death.

uhoh, lots of drama with the WTC schizos.

>>96458722
who?

>>96458722
What drama now?

>>96458750
>>96458779
Belgians submited an Errantry crusade "list" as they call it and didn't pick Crusaders vow, now there is drama about them wanting to change it.

Team germany lost a captain after a 1 year powerstruggle with 9th age players.

Appearantly the guy who runs the WTC is an IRL lawyer and literaly trademarked the event for himself so he always gets the last say on stuff.

Captcha: NAGAY

>>96458820
9th age players are hilarious, remember when they got banned from GenCon after they went around smashing Age of sigmar displays?

>>96457540
>>96458534

It's a fun little game, but the lack of morale rules, charge reactions and stuff like that makes it feel lacking. A rank and flank wargame needs a bit more meat to its bones than what OPR does at the moment. I don't also expect many improvements in the near future as that's their least played game.

>>96458845
ain't no way LOL

>>96458820
>Belgians submited an Errantry crusade "list" as they call it and didn't pick Crusaders vow, now there is drama about them wanting to change it.

If the event hasn't started, what's the issue?

>Team germany lost a captain after a 1 year powerstruggle with 9th age players.

I can only imagine. Ran into groups from my countries team. While 3/4 were good lads, one guy was a snobby bastard. Wonder what power struggle went on.

>Appearantly the guy who runs the WTC is an IRL lawyer and literaly trademarked the event for himself so he always gets the last say on stuff.

Doubtful. Its unlikely a lawyer would have time to engage in warhammer events, let alome organise, unless his business tanked or he is filthy rich.

>>96458876
But OPR has all of those? Were you using the basic rules, Anon?

>>96458549
>The two generals duel all night and come morning they're best of friends

>>96458918
>If the event hasn't started, what's the issue?
What isn't the issue? If they allow people to change lists like that then every team will just want to look at what the other team is bringing and try to build counters against them. Having a set date to submit your list and live with the consequences is the most unbiased and pure way to do it.

Saw this linked the previous thread, I'm interested in starting an army of Dwarfs or Orcs and Goblins, do you anons think this is a good start for playing. Imo seems better than the batallion boxes and much cheaper. Hell would buying 2X of either be a good idea, lots of core stuff on it's own. Maybe I could paint or find some cheap bits to kitbash warriors into ironbreakers + give em a different paintjob etc..
https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/dwarf-army
https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/orc-army

A bit more pricier, but lots of gobbos:
https://maxminishop.com/collections/army-deals/products/goblin-army

If you anons know any other good proxy deals or better ones for Dwarfs and Orcs I'd appreciate it if you could share.

Is it just me, or TOW actually sucks? It's brittle, not that punchy, it's special rules weak just enough so they won't do too much and you have to pay for a cone attack that seems kinda useful?

Heard they can be good for sniping monsters, any opinions?

P4a, I'd like to get one but what's the point if it sucks?

>>96459014
Which of the optional rules would you recommend for each of those?

>>96459313
TOW or the COCK?

>>96459313
COCK!

>>96459334
COCK in TOW

Theoretically can I make a decent high elf list with this, how would it play?
>noble on griffon
>2 mages
>banner noble and horse noble
>about 60 Seaguard
>about 15 sword masters
>15 reavers
I figured I could play it as a force that steadily advances forward just peppering the enemy with arrows. A big brick of Seaguard with the +1 strength banner would be a big scary brick of strength 4 ranged fire. The reavers can harass flanks while the sword masters snd griffon can act as counter punch?

>>96458918
I am have at least 2 financial lawyers in my local ToW scene.

>>96459610
I don't know, can you?
https://old-world-builder.com/

>>96458918
>Its unlikely a lawyer would have time to engage in warhammer events
I'm a med student and I'm slowly putting my army together. It's not hard to find the time if you put down the sissy hypno rectangle once in a while, but it might be slow going.

>>96453718 (OP)
I don't think I even agree with the idea of proxies.

If I've got a knight/goblin/troll/giant/skeleton mini it doesn't stop being a knight/goblin/troll/giant/skeleton just because it's not a Games Workshop official knight/goblin/troll/giant/skeleton.

>>96458918
>Its unlikely a lawyer would have time to engage in warhammer events, let alome organise
What exactly, do you think lawyers do?
Little is stopping an established lawyer from working 10 hours a week or even less.

>>96458918
>Its unlikely a lawyer would have time to engage in warhammer events, let alome organise
I used to go to networking meetings with a local lawyer who was into warhammer and ended up helping one of the big warhammer YouTubers draw up contracts for some big titan he purchased or hired for a video or something. I can't remember the details, it was getting on for 8+ years ago now. That lawyer is now a KC (king's counsel, UK senior lawyer) and posts pictures of his minis on social media. Sure he's not a golden demon winner but he still finds time to hobby.

>>96459220
Hopefully this helps, thoughts on each:
- the dwarf army has plenty of useable units and the minis look fun to paint. Overall it has everything for a decent starter army imo. However it does have 3 cannons which is a bit overkill, if not outright illegal, I can't remember.
- the orc army has 20 crossbows which iirc are not a unit choice in TOW. Then you have 20 spears alongside 20 hand weapons alongside 20 savage orcs. All very similar units, I would have liked to see something else in place of maybe the spears like black orcs or a chariot. I think you might be adding units to your army fairly soon if you buy this box. Also the aesthetics of this box aren't the best imo, especially the trolls which look like they have weird proportions, but I know that's personal preference.
- the goblin box *looks* like a big army but again there's quite a lot of overlap or units that don't map to TOW. You have 20 netters and clubbers, but in TOW netters are just an upgrade to regular night goblins, so you only really need a couple of them to show that the unit has nets. I don't think clubbers are in tow at all, but they're in 4th edition if you're planning on playing older editions. Then the knives and the axes would both count as hand weapons, so although they're 2 separate units in the box they'd be the same battlefield role in TOW. Same for the 10 wolf riders and 10 wolf archers, nobody's going to care if your wolf riders have bows on the model or not, so you have 20 wolf riders which is quite a lot, possibly more than you'll ever take in a battle. Same with 3 wolf chariots. The trolls in this set look like better sculpts then the orc ones.

So if it was up to me, out of these boxes I'd probably get the dwarf one and maybe convert 2 cannons into a bolt thrower and a flame cannon maybe. All 3 boxes are a great price for the amount you get though.
Alternatively you can go on Etsy and find 3d prints of loads of different ranges.

>>96459610
Is 60 sea guard legal? Either way I feel like such a big brick wouldn't be very manoeuvrable, and especially with objectives you might find yourself with too little board control.
For straightforward battles though it does sound like a fun concept.

can you guys claim back perry fag hes shitting up the board and 40k for some reason

>>96460905
…no

>>96460905
no refunds!

>>96458918
> How could a lawyer find the time
Lmao.
> T. Lawyer

>>96459610
Dies to balloons, SM die to everything, Noble on griff cucks to a dragon, your infantry 'deathstar' is avoided all game while they opponent kills everything else

>>96459014

I've used advanced actions and chit activation, not sure if optional morale rules were in place when I last played OPR.

>>96460905
no, you're not

>>96459051
I can get behind this too. Worthy opponents. Then go raiding together!

>>96460514
>>96460413
>>96460122
Since when was the Warhammer scene filled with high tier professionals and not alternative occupations like archaelogy or NEETs?

>>96462741
since the fans grew up and got real jobs

>>96459220
I can only comment on the dwarf box.
It is good as is, except for the cannons, like the other anon mentioned.
Dwarf cannons are not that good in TOW, but one can be useful against monsters or tanky units. If you can find an organ gun and a catapult you are set for 2000 points. (And a runesmith if you go against magic)
Paint half of the warriors with grey/white beards, so you have a block of longbeards.

>>96460662
Would you recommend multiple smaller bricks? 3x20 or 2x30 both sound good and would have a broader front

>>96462741
40K and sigmar is for neets and poors, TOW is for people still clinging to childhood and are one step removed from historicals

>>96462822
>and poors
not at those prices

>>96462830
>poors don’t have bad spending habits

>>96462814
I think those numbers are better and give you more flexibility overall.
If you want a deathstar with the banner that benefits the whole unit, keep the 10x6 and see how it goes for a few games. Personally I'd try maybe:
>8x3 8x3 6x2
Or if you can find 3 more models:
>7x3 7x3 7x3
I think that gives the best mix between:
>Tactical flexibility
>Manoeuvrability
>Getting lots of shots off
>Ensuring everyone is within fighting range if you get into combat.

Also don't forget sea guard can redress the ranks for free when charged, so you could always start the game in 2 ranks of 10 (plus 1) for shooting, and then stand and shoot *and* then switch to 3 ranks of 7, for free, when charged for combat.

>>96462875
Those are really good tips, I hadn’t even thought of that trick with redressing the ranks, I’ve got my first demo game next week I’ll post how I did

>>96462729
Time to find a local beastman player and make him your best mate and have many fun narrative battles together

>>96463001
Not only would that be amazing, also ideal! Sadly there are no beastmen in my local scene. Would love to do a Dark Monolith mini campaign. There are a shed ton of dwarfs though, ironically.

>>96463036
Be the change you want to see, ask around about a join chaos v order campaign, and if you’re willing you can sponsor them with a beastlord or something.

>>96462976
Please do, and good luck!

>>96456160
Nah it down look very good, they look like Marvel's groot not stragly weird Ian Miller trees with faces

>>96456135
Agreed. It's why I'm sculpting some of my own tree dudes.

>>96464796
something looks off in one of them

why does the one on the left have two different types of bark?

>>96464796
what a chad

>>96465038
Because it's made of real wood. I'm hoping I can blend the green stuff in with the plastic and real bark with some clever painting.
Or I'll fuck up. But it will be my own unique fuck up.
>>96465679
Thanks senpai.

How would you build sort of mix of scholar and fighter in WFRP 2nd ed?

Why are O&G one of the very few races where 99% of their named characters are already dead?

Takes away a bit from their substance where all their famous warlords are worm food. Nearly everyone else has their special characters alive in the present

>inb4 Grimgor

Doesn't count, biggest mistake ever for O&G characters. HURR DURR ME LUV KILLIN

Morglum > Grimgor

>>96466181
what do you think the life expectancy is for orcs and goblins?

>>96466181
I can’t imagine caring for green skin characters that aren’t goblins

>>96466301
Gorbad, Gorfang, Azhag, Morglum. They're all pretty good.

>>96466276
Immortal barring killed in combat

It's baffling that the Knightly Order AoI is so incredibly shitty when 6E explored exactly the same concept but actually made it fun.
> Orders have a range of positive traits such as being wealthy, blessed or brave
> They also have negative traits like being humble, foreign or undisciplined
> Mix and match to make your own Order

It would be so simple to produce an updated list of these and actually make an AoI that is both fun and tactical.
Also why is the KO the only AoI not to have any unique units or traits? You could just remove the 0-1 limit on Order upgrades in the GA list and the whole AoI becomes redundant.

>>96466094
>educated, scholarly noble who isn't a pussy in a fight
This is the easiest archetype ever, this is what actual nobles were in medieval European /his/

Can humans and beastmen interbreed? Is there any canonical instance of this happening, or is the closest you get when humans produce gave children?

>>96466534
Beastmen are the result of such trysts at times

>>96466534
If it weren't for the explicit mention of "beastwomen" in the Archaon book, I'd think it was the only way Beastmen came into being. But yes, they fuck elf women, they fuck human women, they probably would fuck dwarf women if they could get their shit-soaked ammonia-scented hands on them, and this results in half-beast monstrosity offspring.
>b-but muh biology
Chaos magic nigga

>>96466785
Beastmen have lots of females. They're closer to animals than human in social structure, but that doesn't mean they're mono-sex. Just because we only see alligators, or whatever aggressive animal, when it's trying to kill us doesn't mean it's always hostile all the time. When they aren't blood crazed Raiders they mostly just live in holes fucking and raising offspring.
There are 3 general types of offspring - two human child born with chaos taint, raped human women who usually die in childbirth due to Gor child shape, and two Gor children. Also minotaur, centigor, etc.

>>96466914
I mean, take wild pigs. They don't build any structures but there is fucking unlimited of them in the forest. Just give them all the hands and watch what happens when they realize humans keep food inside barns.

>>96466914
>Beastmen have lots of females
Breastigors, if you will.

>>96466534
I don't think beastmen and human making babies was ever confirmed.

>>96467107
>Breastigors

>>96467107
Fat beast(wo)man tits

>>96466785
>Chaos magic nigga
That's what I've always liked about chaos from a "your dudes" standpoint. You can get away with a lot of bullshit you otherwise couldn't with other factions.
You want to make a full warband of beast(wo)men that does the raping? Fucking go for it. Just make them a Slaaneshi warband or empowered by Khorne or some shit and you'll be fine.

>>96466319
>Immortal barring killed in combat
yeah, so about 10 years give or take

>>96466181
because the best way to give importance to an orc character is by detailing his big waaaagh

you can have one big waaagh active in the present
you can have 6 small waaaghs acting at once in the present
you can have 6 big waaaaghs through history
you can't have 6 big waaaaghs active in the present at once
they wouldn't feel important

>>96466181
Orcs reincarnate so their big names bosses can be played at any time.

>>96467280
Look at that nose. So fucking disgusting, I bet her fur is all greasy, and matted. I want it so bad, females like this are a lost art.

>>96467530
>you can't have 6 big waaaaghs active in the present at once
That sounds like a WAY better event than Somehow, chaos has returned.

>>96467890
Based

>>96467787
What the fuck is this bullshit Green Buddhism???

>>96467787
>>96468057
I could see the spores on death thing allowing some orcs to keep some skills from their previous life.

>>96468126
or wait, is that only 40k? I know they are still mushrooms, but i don't think its the same kind of spores.

>>96453874
Using tzaangors as beastmen seems like such a crazy idea that just works and feels totally natural like a latina girl with big tits telling me she loves me and then I wake up.

>>96468242
Amen

>>96468242
>tzaanGORS
>beastmen
A revolutionary idea!
>latina girl
Disgusting.

What races can become vampires is it just humans?

redpill me on morr

>>96466094
>Ask question
>image is the answer
Weak.

>>96468242
>Using beastmen as beastmen
Big brain move. Who would have thought

>>96469266
Whatever ones you want.
>>96469279
Just read the fluff senpai.

pestigors soon :)

What kind of stuff should I grab to start empire in old world? My mates play chaos and bretonnia with the bret player starting to work on vamps as well. Just wanna not get smashed and the changes to infantry seem to work to fix that a little

>>96459313
Cock and the alone preyton make me wanna play beastmen very badly. Want my zoo.

>>96469893
Demigryphs, mages, a block of vet state troops with griffon banner (often halbs),
A few cannons, and then whatever else you want. The Nuln army, of infamy is also very strong.
But as always Empire is more about mixed arms and ensuring your army is where it needs to be or counter.

>>96470049
Do it Anon. You can even fluff the Warherd as having its start in the Altdorf zoo after Morrsleib mutated a bunch of the animals, creating perhaps the first Gors, the shaman and beastlord along with the first monsters who then all escaped into the forest

>>96459313
I got a game set up in a cople fo weeks, I'll let you know.

From my own theory, it would be great for back fielders, arty and the like, it'll hit usually first via I 5, but it's done to flank or one turn kill, because it's still weak and not armoured.

>>96469266
Vampires are a human invention, for humans by humans.
It is an infusion of Dhar to bring the human on par with the other races (elves and dwarfs) in terms of longevity, because humans and only humans are "the short-lived ones" who desire a longer life.
An Ogre or a Halfling getting the Blood Kiss would be like you taking dog medicine.
Would it work?
Maybe, maybe not, maybe it half-works.

>>96470844
Wasn't there a dorf Neferata turned?

>>96462741
The biggest Warhammer Fantasy fan I know is working as a legal advisor or something like that in his local Municipal Police department

>>96462741
That's a natural progression from playing HoMM3 on your laptop during university lectures here in Central Europe

>>96470875
Based.
>>96470866
Pretty sure there have been turned ogres and halfling ones too.
The truth is anything the author wants to be a vampire can be a vampire.

>>96469266
Disregard what the other anons said, they don't know their fluff. It's humans, and ONLY humans, because the elixir is tailor made for them doesn't work on anything else.

>>96471055
source?

>>96470844
True

The description of the necrofex collosus by a dark elf days that only humans could make such a thing because only they could see life as so disposable so as to be able to make it.

>>96471055
the red kiss works like a disease, its not something so fixed.

>>96471444
But dark elves have animated statues of khaine imbued with the souls of sacrificed elven assassins.

RAISE YOUR HANDS AND GIVE YOUR ENERGY FOR GOKU SO HE CAN SPIRIT BOMB THE REST OF THE ARMIES OUT OF LEGACY
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>96471622
>dubs
WHAT HAVE YO DONE

>>96469266
It depends on the author, in ET you even have elf vampire.

>>96457431
>>96457540
>Prefer OPR for simplicity and easier newfag engagement and smaller unit sizes and more ability to customize your list and more opportunity to proxy and kitbash and be creative
>Too autistic to even countenance the "OC" factions, even though they're cool, and get mad whenever someone refers to units by their OPR name/lore instead of the TRVE Warhammer name/lore
I hit the sweet spot, huh?

>>96471622
Did he punched Goku in the balls?

Imagine playing OPR

>>96453718 (OP)
Do we have any of the erratas from WHFB 6e?

>>96471987
imagine playing any games

>>96459220
Get the one you like the look of the minis the most.
You'll be spending way more time painting than playing, so make sure you at least enjoy what you're painting.
Don't worry too much about what the direct in games options are (who the fuck cares that the Army book doesn't have xbows orcs; no player worth playing with will complain about you using them as archers or something)
Also.. rules change all the time and there are plenty of other games you might be interested in trying.
Your models are forever.

Also, make sure to post pictures once you start painting them.

Sounds like the new Ogors™ are going to be more primal and less gunpowder-y and modern for those of you hoping to proxy them in TOW.

>>96472944
It's not like there is a lack of Orge Proxies that can be used in TOW, the WGA Orges are an easy example of that.

>>96472969
Oh yeah, Ogre 3rd parties are definitely the for all fantasy armies from what I've seen. No big loss, but I know some people were excited to maybe get some new GW ones if they were good.

>>96472944
Who is this rabbi and what is this hebrew nonsense

>>96472985
Whitefang, a AoS leaker with a 100% hit rate. No, that is not an exaggeration, he has never gotten anything wrong. He barely posts but when he does it is correct. That post was in reply to someone bemoaning the loss of gunpowder units from the rumored Ogre refresh.

>>96472996
>>96472944
Ogre return for TOW soon?

>>96473006
Originally I thought it was just schizo copium, but honestly the more they change old aesthetics of AoS armies to be new and different™ the more I think it is happening down the line.

>>96472944
think it just means Ogres are gonna join TOW range, which is good because they'll be sold in bulk for cheaper.

>>96473006
>>96473035
they're getting a refresh soon, wouldn't count it out.
that being said no tow rumours have hinted at legacy factions returning, though that's obviously a very easy route for them to go.
rather I think it was plastic chaos mammoth and dragon as far as rumours go.

>>96473101
Outside of Dogs of War getting released, does TOW even have any rumours?

>>96473101
Some of the recent rumor engines are also very Maurader coded, so that could be possible as well.

>>96473101
>plastic chaos mammoth and dragon as far as rumours go.
Sounds too good to be true.

>>96473122
nope

>>96473122
Nah, they’ll do the HH thing of these shitty campaign supplements with a character until we roll around to next edition

>>96473101
>no tow rumours have hinted at legacy factions returning

There are a couple reasons I think it's pretty likely. Firstly, if they're being replaced in AoS it frees up the whole Ogre range to be re-released for TOW. Secondly, TOW is now at a point where everything planned has been released. While I personally would prefer GW to leave it alone for a little while and let the game breathe, that isn't how they operate. They're obsessed with keeping the release cycle churning, and so they must have stuff lined up for after the Settra AJ. Dripfeeding the legacy factions back into the game would be a smart way to always have new stuff to keep the money coming in.

>>96473122
The 3 big rumors are:
Dogs of War (well not a rumor anymore allegedly, Border Princes is confirmed already for the Settra book and that is them apparently)
Chaos Refresh: Chaos Mammoth was missing from its display case at WHW and some rumor engines have been Marauder focused
There is also a Vampirates rumor that is more unreliable and just hearsay but I want to believe.

I'd bet we get Kislev next, probably early next year, followed by a proper edition 2 that I hope will do a new big book named like "Defenders against chaos" with Ogres, Lizardmen, and Kislev. Maybe something else new as well, but unlikely.

>>96473224
Or "war against chaos" with Kislev, lizards, daemons, and skaven

>>96473168
>>96473224
It's interesting because by all accounts Cathay did really, really well. A local store owner said that it did "Space Marine" numbers for them (though thats obv. just anecdotal).

I wonder if there's a point where they say that making a new army has more potential than ez cash from bringing back legacy stuff.

>>96472944
I reckon they'll be going for the more Viking Aesthetic we've seen from some of the newer Ogre models they've released rather than the old mongol aesthetic.

>>96473253
By the sound of it they might double down more on the Cave Man vibe, some of the orge already have

>>96473253
>>96473295
Yeah the post he was responding to said "Neolithic" so more unga-bunga I bet

Where in the Old World do your dudes call home, at least for the moment?
In the case for my beasty bois they hang around a forest on the borders of Ostland and Kislev, from which the raid the surrounding villages and towns, or use as a staging ground for larger movement of the warherd to other places in the Old World.

>>96473168
Yeah like I said it's the easiest route to go down, and it does seem like in the past few years aos has focused on updating whfb leftover races, and (slightly) tweaking them to avoid overlap. Aggradon lancers instead of saurus knights, barrow guard instead of grave guard, that sort of thing. (Though tbf in some cases like skaven and chaos they were more 1 to 1 straight updates). It's very much the expected route for the game to go, which is why it's strange that the rumourmongers haven't really said anything of the sort.
>>96473240
Yeah that's also an option. Them looking to push out new factions (cathay, kislev, coast, ...) where people don't really have pre existing armies, or third party stuff.

>>96473485
>or third party stuff.
Except for historicals in the case of Kislev at least

>>96473503
I don't think you'll find many bear riding bearguard (with bear weapons) among historicals anon

>>96456135
Holy TWW secondary cope, batman!

>>96456135
That's just a scaled-down version of the 8th edition Treeman...
>complaint about AoS designs
>look inside
>actually complaining about late Fantasy designs

>>96473597
very very late
it was a few months before the end times, wasn't it?

I remember many people disliking that design, personally I'm not amongst those people, but then again the people who didn't like that design weren't exactly praising the metal treeman either, more the generally recognised design of an ent

which is also produced in plastic by gw but never quite used either by wefags, so fuck them and whatever they say

>>96473373
This is where my beastwomen are located. Ambushing the roads used by at least 4 opposing factions, wood elves, O&G, Bret's, and Empire. Maybe high elves or Norsca as well sometimes?

>>96471450
It isn't, you're mixing WHF fluff with some other setting. Their blood functions as a somewhat weaker version of the elixir, which again, only works on humans - even near-human strains like ghouls don't react to it properly, as evidenced by them first growing to the size of a troll and then dying from organ failure.

>>96474289
>only works on humans
Source

>>96474289
>>96474301
Wasn't there an elf briefly vampired in the End Times.

>>96472944
Gay.
The gorgers are ok but I don't want the entire army to have that aesthetic, ogres as the destruction army with black powder was a cool niche (even if it was shit 90% of the time, OP 5% of the time, and then promptly nerfed for the remaining 5%)

>>96474308
>et
Fuck off, even sissymar fags laugh at it.
>>96474301
If you really want to play that kind of steel donut, maybe you should consider going back to d&d and using any appropriate setting, of which there probably are at least a dozen.

>>96474424
This rage dictates that you don't have a source.

>>96474379
In all likelihood it isn't a 'range refresh' as people here like to call it, but an expansion of their savage subfaction, 'beastclaw' or something like that. Hunters, monster riders, etc. Big game hunting barbarians with spears and crossbows as opposed to normal ogres with clubs, swords and guns.

>>96474301
It's one of those cases where most people accept absence of proof as proof of absence: If vampirism could spread to elves, dwarfs, orcs, skaven, etc, it would have likely done so and we would have heard about it, but since we don't hear about it then it doesn't do so, and the most linear answer as to why is that it simply doesn't cross to other races.

Problem is that the real reason why we never hear about it is because gw isn't interested in making miniatures for vampires for all races, and this meta reason hasn't been followed by an actual codification in the fluff, so random writers sometimes think it's possible for such a thing to happen and we have stuff like the elf vampire in the end times, or the elf vampire in the recent lustria sourcebook.

But both are again cases so isolated that people would rather take them as errors or exceptions than to consider that there are a lot of nonhuman vampires active in the setting that we never hear about.

>>96474432
My source is the absence of even a single one in any materials, be that wargame, RPG or even secondary shit. And we know for a fact that the old ones engineered all sapient races to be different in the way their psyche/soul works and how they react to magic. Even if the former is handwaved away, you're nowhere near your OC being possible. Elves are too saturated with magic, so they would probably die from instability like ghouls; dwarfs would turn to stone from acute exposure; ogres and halflings are very resistant to magic so it won't work on them, potentially just killing the guy instead of binding his soul into the body.

>>96474505
Most Vampire bloodlines need their clan mates to have get very far, and who's going to trust a Skaven vampire? Hell who wouldn't kill a Skaven vampire outright? Necrarchs and MAYBE Strigoi?
A skaven Necrarch might be able to become successful, but I assume the a Skaven nature combined with a Necrarch's would have him kill him self out of fear that his shadow would betray him.
>>96474507
That's not all the races found in Warhammer Fantasy Battle.

>>96474871
>who's going to trust a Skaven vampire?
I don't think you understand the kind of resources a skaven vampire would have sudden access to
one skaven vampire would be a one-rat kingdom

>>96474886
All the more reason to destroy it.

>>96474908
because that always works, right?

Why the fuck do all of the (would be) fun and fluffy Armies of Renown require you to take unique characters? If you want to play the fun Troll list you need to take the Troll character, same for the Blood Knight List, Gitmob, etc.. Why the fuck is GW so averse to letting you make /yourdudes/.

I will kill whoever replies with "Oh just run a unique character but say it's your own guy!"

>>96475174
Ah shit wrong thread

>>96475174
GW wants you to spend money on expensive character models, which GW hasn't done yet with TOW, which is still very much a /YourDudes/ game outside of the Jade Fleet AoI

>>96474507
>>96474913
>>96474886
Skaven are pretty different from humans presumably. Beastmen are half human, aren't made by old ones, aren't magic resistant nor particularly magical .
>,,,but muh Chaos
A white wizard can't kill them through the innate anti-chaos abilities in their win, why would the anti-chaos effects in vampirism kill them?
And we would have never have heard of a beastman vampire, because like what bloodline would make a beastman vampire?

>>96474507
A lack of evidence is not evidence of a lack of something

>>96475377
Sometimes it is though, actually.

>>96475387
It can be correlated but it is not a logical argument

>>96475278
>because like what bloodline would make a beastman vampire?
one that fucked up

many vampires did

>>96475278
>like what bloodline would make a beastman vampire?
Strigoi, if we include AoS, the Cursed City Vampires would likely do the same.

>>96475406
sometimes it is

you cannot argue that nonhuman vampires are common or relevant any more than you can argue that the sun can be shining on your head during nighttime in england.

>>96475377
>Characters you didn't expect to post on /wfg/

>>96475504
Lmao

it follows that if two humans can procreate and make a beastman and mainly humans can be vampires then beastmen are human enough to also be made vampires. qed

>>96475528
a beastman is a mutation
by definition it's not like a human

I'll accept your beastman vampire only if it's actually just a bat beastmen and hilariously unrelated to real undead vampirism but empowering himself by drinking blood

>>96475462
>Strigoi
Yeah, all the notable, important named Strigoi vampires. Of course, we would have heard about the Strigoi Beastmen in the books from the perspective of the Strigoi such as...
>>96475554
Having any mutation prevents you from being a vampire? Source?

>>96475585
>Having any mutation prevents you from being a vampire?
If your argument is that beastmen are human because they come from humans, and that vampirism works only on humans, then your argument is flawed because beastmen are by definition not human despite potentially coming from them.

>>96475528
>>96475554
there's never been a single solid origin for beastmen anyways. the fluff has always been vague and also floated stuff like "when chaos first hit the world it mixed together man and animal" etc

>>96475603
No, my argument is that none of the reasons vampirism wouldn't work for the other races don't apply to beastmen.
When pressed on why you only think Vampirism works only on humans, you said "the old ones engineered all sapient races to be different in the way their psyche/soul works and how they react to magic" the old ones didn't engineer beastmen at all, and they come from humanity, therefore they should be based off the same "old one soul template".
You also mentioned magic saturated and magic resistant races shouldn't be able to be vampires and that makes enough sense to me, but Beastmen aren't either of those things.

>>96475659
>No, my argument is that none of the reasons vampirism wouldn't work for the other races don't apply to beastmen
Yes, they do, they're not human
>and they come from humanity
but they aren't human
>therefore they should be based off the same "old one soul template".
no, they aren't, because they're no longer human

>>96475692
Wait, the old ones designed beastmen?

beastmen don't come from humanity *or* the old ones

>>96475699
One kind, yes, but regardless of that all of them are not human anymore.

It's like saying you can turn a ghost into a vampire because it used to be a human, it's no longer human.

>>96475659
You're replying to a different anon, I'm the one you're quoting. Beastmen have their nature warped so much they're their own distinct thing, more so than ghouls or even ordinary mutants. And also yes, they're full of chaos juice, so it won't work.

>>96475712
I mean, they plainly do.

They're beast-men

Your own excerpt says the great cataclysm *tainted* what was around before

If you were honest instead of trying to win an argument you'd know that the cataclysm fused primative men and beasts together to form them

This is wholly aside from whether vampirism could apply to them (I don't think it could, since they're so mutated in a way that fused them with other life forms, rather than just taking humans and spicing them up a bit

>>96475800
>They're beast-men
Can lizardmen be vampires?

>>96475812
I dont think they can even be raised from the dead

>>96475823
They can - see the Cursed Company dogs of war unit

>>96475712
Picrel
>>96475723
>>96475729
What is the distance from the humans who took the elixr, that a different group of humans wouldn't be able to use it? Beastmen are modifications that take from the BASE that is humanity. Their fundamental beings are similar they aren't like the dwarfs, or elves where they were engineered from the ground up to be different.
>they're full of chaos juice, so it won't work.
Why? The anti-chaotic effects of white magic don't work on them, why would the anti-chaotic effect of vampirism work on them?
>>96475812
He said he thinks even beastmen can't be vampires. You are reading the posts and not just doubling down automatically right?

>>96475812
Yes
>>96475712
>Aberrant parodies of Man
Sounds like if you turned one it would be an aberrant parody of a vampire.

>>96475838
>Beastmen are modifications that take from the BASE that is humanity.

No, their base type is arguably equally animal - I'm pretty sure vampires can't be made out of animals

>>96475848
>I'm pretty sure vampires can't be made out of animals
I'm pretty sure they can.
Pretty sure a vampire chicken terrorizes the Moot.

>>96475848
Can animals (specifically and especially goats) use the winds of magic? Beastmen can use at least three non-chaos lores.

>>96475861
no, no, you got it wrong, the chicken vampire is not a chicken who is a vampire, it's a vampire who feeds on chicken and chicken products
the journals always report that wrong

>>96475879
>Can animals (specifically and especially goats) use the winds of magic?
Yes, unicorns can and they're goats

>>96475879
>can use non-chaos lores.
so can chaos demons, what's your point?

>>96475887
U saying a southlander made it into the empire, got the blood kiss and started going after that proto-KFC?

>>96475838
>The anti-chaotic effects of white magic don't work on them
They don't work on chaos chosen either, what's your point?

>>96475838
>What is the distance from the humans who took the elixr, that a different group of humans wouldn't be able to use it?
shorter than the distance between human and any other race of the setting, including beastmen

>>96475907
Well Beastmen aren't Chaos Deamons again, a white wizard can't kill them any better than a human.
>>96475936
The chaos chosen are literally humans and definitely could become vampires.
>>96475899
What lores can they use or are you going to force me to legally acquire a fantasy roleplay supplement because you don't want to tell me.
>>96475966
Beastmen are half human shouldn't they turn into half a vampire?

>>96475504
>Thank you for not recasting!

>>96475978
>Well Beastmen aren't Chaos Deamons again
Some beastmen are human because they come from humans, some chaos demons are also human because they also come from humans.
So beastmen and demons are the same species, they even interbreed and produce viable hybrids down in the south wastes.

So if a beastman can be a vampire then also can a plaguebearer.

>>96476062
>So if a beastman can be a vampire then also can a plaguebearer.
Maybe but not for long as they would die because of the anti-chaos effects of vampirism.

>>96476090
why wouldn't they die immediately?

>>96475909
They say you can hear the sound of smacking lips and inhuman rhythmic chanting in the darkness on certain moonless nights.

>>96476104
Beastmen wouldn't die because they are not affected by anti-chaos effects, any more than a human.

>>96476107
I pity the fool who doesn't know about voodoo halflings

>>96476116
>any more than a human
Demons are also humans, so they wouldn't die either then.

>>96476141
I don't think I ever said a beastman was a human. I think I said they were similar to and half human.

>>96476141
>Demons are human
The real vampires are the friends we made along the way

>>96476153
Demons are also similar to and full human, so they wouldn't die when becoming vampires.

>>96476159
You aren't actually reading the posts, you are just doubling down.

Painted another one. What do you think, is the rusty steel good enough for a quick and easy recipe? I need to paint almost a hundred of these, so I can't afford doing anything fancy.

>>96476153
So they'd obviously become half-vampire

>>96476176
looks great! Dont overthink a model you gotta paint 100X

>>96476168
>noooo! beastmen aren't full of chaos, they can use shadow spells!
>like demons
>noooo! beastmen aren't full of chaos, they are not affected by hysh!
>like chaos lords
>noooo! beastmen aren't full of chaos because... because I say so!

>>96476226
>>noooo! beastmen aren't full of chaos, they are not affected by hysh!
>>like chaos lords
Yeah chaos lords aren't full chaos. Chaos Lords are literally just (usually) humans who get powers from chaos god. Do you think the moment you touch a chaos artifact, you can't become a vampire? Beastmen like Chaos lords are just flesh and blood mortals with chaos powers.
Chaos lords can absolutely become vampires you are being very silly if you think otherwise.

I'm too lazy to do a proper battle rapport but have some pics nonetheless. It's a 2k Dark Elves vs VC game with a soft list in an attempt to make balance VCs in casual games. The game went all the way to 6 turns and the Dark Elves won by a bit more than a 100 points. Fun game.

I'm too lazy to do a proper battle rapport but have some pics nonetheless. It's a 2k Dark Elves vs VC game with a soft list in an attempt to make balance VCs in casual games. The game went all the way to 6 turns and the Dark Elves won by a bit more than a 100 points. Fun game.

just got these blood dragons, gonna use them as blood knights. Didn't come with horses what should I use?

>>96476176
Looks great for a quick job.
>>96476328
Looks like you got to to a fair bit of spectral reaping.
>>96476369
I think WGA makes a box just of horses, but I don't know if they're armored enough.
I would grab some of Perry's Gothic knights and use their horses.

>>96476369
empire knight horses with chaos knight horse heads might be cool for evil armoured horses that aren't covered in spikes
bretonnia or historicals horses with vampire heraldry would be the easiest though

>>96476369
Do you want them to stay in their era or modernise them? If the former, use empire knight horses and decorate the heads with parts from the grave guard kit, and if the latter consider using the chaos knights kit

>>96476270
You're arguing in incredibly bad faith here. Beastmen are not 'just mortals', they're chaos-tainted creatures and NOT HUMAN. They're enslaved to chaos by their very essence, just like other chaotic creations like chimeras, manticores, etc. It's not the same as a human choosing to devote himself to chaos, and absolutely not the same as 'touching a mcguffin once'. Fuck, the whole reason they're so neglected by their gods (and also jealous and assmad at humanity) is that chaos owns their ass by default and doesn't need to bribe them with rewards.

>>96476594
>Beastmen are not 'just mortals', they're chaos-tainted creatures
They are mortal enough to survive having the chaos severed from them, which is all that's relavent here. The only relevance of Chaos to eligibility for vampirism is if the anti-chaos effects kill you. The answer is no.
>and NOT HUMAN
If walks like a human, talks like a human and interacts with the winds of magic like a human...

>>96476763
No, that's not the criteria. You're doing more and more embarrassing asspulls because your autism won't let you admit that you're wrong.

>>96476973
What is the criteria? If vampirism won't kill you and will effect you. what's the problem?

>>96476987
It won't work on beastmen, you imbecile. Because it only works on HUMANS. Which shitgoats ARE EXPLICITLY NOT. Your argument is built on pretending that they are, and all the fluff explicitly stating otherwise doesn't exist.

>>96477006
Goats explicitly are modified humans.
>fluff explicitly stating otherwise doesn't exist
>>96475838

>>96477019
They're not humans, they don't have human souls and their flesh is warped and tainted. It's the core of their identity, their defining feature. Are you being retarded on purpose? Are you some new permutation of the perrynigger or some other threadshitter?

>>96477182
>They're not humans
They are modified humans.
>they don't have human souls
Source.

At least this isnt talk about dragons

why dont we just ask a beastmen here

How the fuck do I balance this thing?

>>96477639
drill a pin under his hoof and glue it into the base

>>96477639
Pin it - drill a hole unde the hind hoof, insert a bent length of paperclip, bent it to form a right angle - one length will sit under the base. Use superglue and then some greenstuff or another putty to secure the length under the base.

Use super glue to secure the other side of the pin into the hoof - you can add a tiny ball of putty to the end of this length as well for added durability

>>96477499
Beastmen aren't litterate.

>>96476226
>>noooo! beastmen aren't full of chaos, they are not affected by hysh!
>>like chaos lords
If chaos lords can't become vampires, why not? How long do you have to worship chaos to become ineligible for vampirism?

Current meta is absolutely atrocious. Cathay is retard tier. Nuln outrider spam and dwarf expeditionary gyro spam belong in 40K and.both flavors of undead are busted. High elves, Bret and chaos can keep up but it’s a bad time for people who still believe this is a rank and flank game and not who can run and gun with a big flying melee threats. I want to play state troops and not feel like a retard for having more than 1 token block

The game is better under 1.5 but either ranged stuff is overall undercosted or many of the melee infantry stuff is over costed. It’s pretty shocking the only points changes they did were for a ring and Pegasus after over a year of this game

>>96476176
It all looks good for something you have to do 100 of, the rusty steel especially! You know what they say, put your painting effort into faces and weapons as that's what people look at, and I think the weapon here is a good attention grabber. How'd you do the steel?

>>96460635
>>96462770
>>96472322
Thanks for the advice, I think I'll go with the Dwarf army and get a smith and flame canon and organ gun (have a fren who has a printer and these are cheap + just gotta print 1 each https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-dwarf-organ-gun-123837 & https://www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-dwarf-flame-cannon-163220 & https://www.myminifactory.com/fr/object/3d-print-runesmith-218519) and paint one of those warriors as longbeards.

>>96477990
>why not?
because they're full of chaos and their soul is claimed by a chaos god and already integrated into their vortex

>>96478293
Could you explain how Krell became a wight then?
If his soul was claimed by Khorne, that should not have been possible

>>96478312
his soul wasn't claimed by khorne, khorne lied about his eternal reward and abandoned him like an old toy.

>>96478263
Sounds good anon! Glad you came to a decision you're happy with. Show us updates when you can

>>96478327
So the same would be true for all the other Chaos Lords, chaos lies to them, and they can in theory become Vampire

>>96478372
>So the same would be true for all the other Chaos Lords
No, those actually get to join their patron.

>>96477639
Definitely pinning. I haven't tried the bendy technique from >>96477765 but if you have plasticard you can build up some thickness under the base (or on top of the base in the case of the flying stand for my gyro), so you can have a longer, sturdier pin.

>>96478263
Nice. Good luck!

>>96478383
So why didn't it happen to Krell then?

>>96478504
Because krell fucked up, so khorne disowned him.

>>96478504
Because he was a fallen champion and an embarrassment to his god. Accumulated too many sin points and couldn't make it past the good boy control.

>>96478523
Can you accumulate Sin points as a chaos worshiper in WFRP?

>>96478528
It all depends on you, your GM and whether you want to use a given mechanic in your game or not. Duh.

>>96478600
But playing the rules as written in WFRP Chaos Gods don't have Sin points since they don't interact with the Divine magic system

>>96478663
Why do you choose to be retarded?

>>96478663
That's not the only reason to track religious morality, anon. Does 'wrath of the gods' ring any bells?

>>96478663
>But playing the rules as written
The rules as written have no mechanic for breathing, so breathing doesn't happen in Warhammer clearly.

>>96473373
Vampire Counts Blood Knights have a keep set up in the Axe Bite Pass and often venture into Bretonnia or the Empire either to help them fight off Beastmen or Orcs or to fuck up some knightly order in search of a challenge and recruits.

>>96478795
Sounds interesting. What is the order's name, heraldry and fluff? You mention they go into imperial territory - how do they get past Helmgart? It fully blocks its end of the pass, so I assume they either have some arrangement with the city's ruler or know some secret path around it?

>>96478053
i really wonder how much of the cathay "meta" is just the stupid balloons being a problem, because guarantee 100% normal players are going to buy like 0-1 of that thing. it costs more than the battalion for a 100pt model.

also anyone interpreting the grand cannon debuff rule as stacking is 100% cheating. no fucking way is that actually intended to stack

those two proud nails aside, cathay seems like, decent, honestly the magic items didnt really blow my hair back, they dont have access to cheap foot wizards at all from what i saw outside of like maybe a merc option? no great weapons in the army whatsoever

im still not ready to pass judgment on cathay yet, i dont care what the numbers are, i think the data is fucked. they're decent, but i dont think playing against anyone with what could be considered a normal list and interpretation of the rules that they approach the 65-70% WR you're seeing. i think thats skew and bad reading

Ive got a few models to finish up for the SBGT, anyone else here gonna be there?

>>96478943
> i dont think playing against anyone with what could be considered a normal list and interpretation of the rules that they approach the 65-70% WR you're seeing

we aren't seeing a 65-70% WR tho, we're seeing a ~56% WR

>>96479185
we must be watching different breakdowns. where are you getting your numbers from? this is from like yesterday

Painting khorne warriors

Playing around with doing "fake" trim (i.e. it's just painted on not modelled on). Might need to do some subtle blacklining to differentiate later on

>>96479200
any idea what makes the wild herd so good? At a glance it doesn’t look any better than the standard army to me

>>96479237
>"fake" trim
Surely if you're allowed to edge highlight with retard-bright tones, like so many people do, you're also allowed to edge highlight with a contrasting tone.

>>96479200
That data is only through July, picrel is through August

>>96479319
Every character getting 25 extra points for their magic budget is really good. Especially considering beastmen magic items are pretty good.

>>96479498
>>96479200
https://oldworldrankings.com/faction_stats

Shows you the stats in more detail

>>96479498
it says right on the video that the honest wargamer data is collected jul 7th through aug 31st

>>96479498
>events from 05/07-31/08 included

>>96478844
Order of the Bloody Grail as the founder was a Bretonnian. Founder of the order was Gilles de Dunois, a knight who crusaded with the Red Duke and eventually got turned during that whole fiasco. After the Red Duke died he fought his way to the mountains and slowly built up an order by challenging knights who pass by and wandering into Bretonnia to "save" mortally wounded questing knights. In that time he's managed to find some minor passes through to the empire, but the terrain is rough and passes narrow so it's more a case of a few dozen knights and black knights march and if they need more bodies raise them on the other side.

Beyond that they often act as escorts for travelers and merchants often less offering their services and more watching from the shadows and jumping in should someone attack. In general they tend to avoid fighting the empire and Bretonnia but sometimes they can't resist a juicy challenge and sometimes they jump into a battle that they aren't invited to and the Brets or imperials decide to try and kill their unwanted allies after the battle.

Also grandmaster's name is a mixture of Gilles de Rais a French knight and general during the Hundred Years War who supposedly murdered a lot of kids and Jean de Dunois 'the Bastard of Orleans', another French general of the era.

Which WFRP edition is the best?

>>96455392
Only thing you have to show anyone is your aids diagnosis.

>>96479716
4e.

>>96479716
TOW

>>96479319
The herdstone

Ah damn, the Resin Tomb King, Resin Herald, and Metal Priest are off the Warhammer store.
Guess we're getting the new ones very soon.

>>96480515
>the Resin Tomb King, Resin Herald
disturbingly short lived products
it doesn't give me much confidence in gw keeping in production a lot of the shit it has brought back so far

>>96480547
That has to do with them hating resin even more than metal apparently. Not 100% clear why, but the HH stuff is also ditching resin. I think it might be due to environmental regulations in the UK though.

>>96480552
plastic products definitely sell more and are more appealing and easier to work with, when it comes to units and big stuff, so I understand why hh would try to translate into plastic as many basic troops and big vehicles as possible

but lone resin heroes that could perfectly stay up as an online only product for collectionists? it's wild they're getting rid of them

>>96480571
Oh yeah its dumb as shit. Gotta be cheaper in the long run since that's GW only real motivator.

>>96479654
>>96479510
Okay yeah I'm retarded, still tho the TOW rankings dataset is more complete

>>96480571
>but lone resin heroes that could perfectly stay up as an online only product for collectionists? it's wild they're getting rid of them

Opportunity cost, they likely sold the majority of the stock already and it doesn't sell enough to warrant restocking. Resources spent restocking these models are resources that can be spent elsewhere

>>96480552
Good. I hate resin way more than metal.

>>96480515
>tomb king
Huh ? He's like a year and a half old, and I don't think the new thingies shown off in july had a tomb king among them right?

>>96479716
2e
>>96480011
Also good

>>96480814
They called it a Prince but in terms of design it can be both.

>>96480698
they have items temporarily out of stocks for months before, it costs them nothing to keep the option up until enough demand justifies a restock

Speaking of Wild Herd, is kralmaw or Ghorros worth it? Ghorros looks good on paper mostly cause of the sons of Ghorros upgrade, and a 4+ ward on the caster is decent for a beastmen list. Either one with some cheap character fillers like banner and/or mage with decked out items seems great.

>>96476369
>>96476468
Pretty sells just the horses, no need to buy the whole box
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/b-29-wars-of-the-roses-ea-horses/

>>96481406
>https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/b-29-wars-of-the-roses-ea-horses/
>1.11 pound per horse
GW would never

>>96481437
>GW would never
And that's why GW is a filthy rich company, whilst the Perry siblings are a couple of chumps.

>>96478293
>because they're full of chaos
WHY does that matter? You keep saying it like it means something.
>soul is claimed by a chaos god
What's the Chaos god going to do about it when the link between the soul and chaos is severed by the blood gift, cry about it?
>already integrated into their vortex
>>96478521
>>96478523
Doesn't sound particularly well intergrated if it can be removed at will like that.

>>96481530
>at will
the will of the god, not anyone's else
if the connection is severed then congratulations, your blood kiss creates a literally inanimate dead body, because the soul is already in the warp in the god's vortex, not somewhere safe and calm from where you can drag it into the physical world with that ease

>>96481583
>Literally inanimate
It's animate. That's kind of the point. The dead body continues to move.

>>96481665
Based illiterate.

>>96478395
What did you do to the rotor and blades? That models has been a legit bitch to assemble, to the point that I gave up multiple times and haven't touched it years.

Anyone who played as or against Skaven know what would be an ideal number of Stormvermin? Looking at their statline and price I'm thinking 30 might be a nice number for a unit.

>>96481583
I don't think such a thing has ever been tried. I think you don't have a source.
I mean, if anything could rip a soul away from chaos, it would be vampires. The blood gift of a netrach can give Johnny the baker magical powers rivaling greater deamons of Tzeentch. It's a copy of Negash's ultimate creation for fucks sake.

God fucking damn it

>>96481919
>I don't think such a thing has ever been tried. I think you don't have a source.
Just because you don't see it happening it doesn't mean it hasn't been tried, it most likely and more simply means that it doesn't happen.

Not even gods can wrestle souls away from the chaos gods, once they've claimed them, not even nagash, vampires are useless little shits in all comparisons.

>>96481919
>The blood gift of a netrach can give Johnny the baker magical powers rivaling greater deamons of Tzeentch
lol no, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>96481955
Yes... all the chaos lords lining up to be made vampires. All the vampire bloodlines who would be so happy to trust a chaos lord. This event must have happened so many times, of course.

>>96481162
> it costs them nothing to keep the option up until enough demand justifies a restock

It takes demand away from other tomb kings characters although there's more demand for because people will see "temporarily out of stock" and delay their purchase instead of just buying another tomb kings character.

>>96481437
I mean the empire knights are effectively 1.67 pounds per horse rn.

>>96481970
chaos lords after all are renown for never looking for dark patrons or means to gain unfathomable power, right?
vampires are known for never being arrogant enough to take backstabbing servants, right?

cmon, you're retarded

>>96481932
did you drop it down the stairs?

>>96482012
>chaos lords, after all, are renown for never looking for dark patrons or means to gain unfathomable power, right?
Why would you go from a step below ascension having "the greatest favor of a chaos god" to the lowest rank of a different power structure? Like quitting your position as COO and joining a different company as store manager. Are you fucking retarded?
>vampires are known for never being arrogant enough to take backstabbing servants, right?
>Oh, I'm going to have a nice face to face conversation with a Lord of Khorne, surely nothing bad will happen to me, as one of the enemies of chaos.
That's not arrogance. Why take a chaos lord, as a servant at all, you have the entire human race to search through befofe you turn to them.

>>96482102
Yeah, and myself along with it.

>>96481406
Neat.
Looking at the sprues though, the plate barding might be on a different frame though.

>>96482104
>Why would you go from a step below ascension having "the greatest favor of a chaos god" to the lowest rank of a different power structure?
because both offer immortality and the vampire's offer might actually be more achievable, furthermore sometimes people are turned against their will

>Why take a chaos lord
because they're more competent

>>96481495
>filthy rich company
The Perry's live out their dream life sculpting and painting minis all day and then playing massive 10 player games in their personal game room on a 12×8 foot table. They have a large friend group and play with all the most legendary wargame designers and creators, including the entire OG GW crew.
GW is a soulless conglomerate of lgbtq+ millennial nogame wagies who makes £9 an hour.

>>96482170
ouch, you will heal better than them tho

>>96482173
It is. Make some with milliput if you can't go without it, should be stupid easy. Regardless, an ugly bitch is better than no bitch, ie. plateless horses beat having no horses

>>96482174
>furthermore sometimes people are turned against their will
A chaos lord is going to be pretty hard to turn against their will.
>because both offer immortality, and the vampire's offer might actually be more achievable
....because Chaos Lords, servants of the RUINOUS POWERS, are well known for their ability to rationally judge propositions based on their long-term factors.
>because they're more competent
Maybe, but there is something deeply wrong with a persons psyche if they serve the chaos gods. Do I really need to explain what the Lahmians wouldn't want somebody susceptible to being a Slaanesh worshiper?
Anyway, aren't you ignoring the Deamons and Mortals surronding a Chaos lord, who all want the attention of their god? Seems like stopping a Chaos Lord from betraying your Chaos god is a great way to gain favor.
This would be incredibly rare and pretending otherwise is insane.

Got a game tomorrow, this is my 1500 point bone brigade. The advance legion of Men-Khepr-Neheb

>>96482397
Fantastic Tomb Giant/Necrolithe Colossus

>>96482207
>tfw you won't get invited to the perry house game
Bros...

>>96482498
Well, looks like your only option is to BECOME the Perry of your area

>>96482344
>pretty hard to turn against their will.
Still could, but it has never happened, because vampirism doesn't work on them anymore since they forfeited their soul.

>>96482522
I want to surpass the Perry Bros.
I want to be the Big Small Worlds boomer of my area.

>>96482584
A person could win a scratch off lottery ticket and then get struck by lightning and die while still holding the winning ticket. Because nobody has ever recorded this happening, we must assume winning scratch off lottery tickets provide resistance to being struck by lightning.

>>96482734
A canadian dude got struck by lightning then won the lottery. Does that count for anything?

>>96482397
>>96478990
Lovely stuff! Good luck anons

>>96481932
Ah shit man, you'd put loads of effort into those dudes too, what happened?

>>96481955
>Not even gods can wrestle souls away from the chaos gods, once they've claimed them, not even nagash
Krell is a former champion of Khorne

>>96483017
Khorne meant to lose him. Anon is definitely not a chaos fan coping about how absolutely chaos is.

>>96481932
F

>>96482584
>Still could, but it has never happened because
Chaos worshipers are degenerates that are a complete anathema to anything a vampire bloodline values in a subject. Except Netrach's, who are known for their extreme paranoia, almost as much as their magical abilities. The only bloodline who might be desperate enough to take the type of rotten apple that becomes a chaos lord is Strigoi, and Strigoi don't get shit written about them.
A lord of Khorne might be very competent at violence, but that doesn't outweigh that he was the type of person to willingly worship Khorne, and could you explain to me how a person who worships Khorne fits into a Vampire Bloodlines organization.

>>96483054
>Khorne meant to lose him
is there actual lore on krell/heinrich anywhere that is not black library? (because i not going to read a whole novel)

>>96480688
arent they using the same data set?

in the description for that video the honest wargamer posts a link to old world rankings, which would seem to imply to me that that is his data source.

it could well be that we're both talking about the same data set but he has implemented certain criteria (such as eliminating low player count events or low game count events, i dont know exactly what), and is getting that figure that he shows. the guy hosts events and talks about stats full time professionally, so i cant imagine he's just making it up or using bad stats.

either way, my point i think still stands, the data does show (even on the more conservative oldworldrankings chart) that cathay is ahead of the pack, but i suspect a large portion of that is potentially due to excessive use of the balloons which normal people will probably not field, and bad interpretation of the grand cannons debuff rule.

>>96483242
>explain to me how a person who worships Khorne fits into a Vampire Bloodlines organization.
It seems pretty easy to me. Underling fucks up. He's punished by forcing him to turn a captured chaos whatever.

Seems like nothing compared to the old lore for making Vargheists.

>>96483860
Again, for what purpose? Unless the purpose is to make a vampire thrall that you will never let reach maturity that can rip and tear real good. Am I forgetting a bunch of named vampire thralls with back stories, I know there are a few, but wnkugh to imply a Chaos Lord has never been turned? How do we know there are no former Chaos Lord thralls?

>>96482397
Nice clean work anon

>>96481932
Morr's wrath upon ye

>>96482207
>ywn gaem with the Perrys and Tuomas-sama
I'm literally unworthy

>>96483054
literally this is cope, khorne would never willingly surrender something to nagash or anyone else

Gonna kitbash this into my Dwarfs (expeditionary force,) wondering what the best route would be. I was thinking Dwarf Queen ran as Thane, but I was thinking maybe a grudge thrower instead.
>Have her at the end of a spare Bloodthirster flame stand thing I have
>put a bunch of barrels and charges from the miner kit towards the base
>Have the miner with the O face with the pointy hand to the sky and free hand on the detonator that comes with the kit
Open to suggestions though

>>96484153
>Be Abhorash
>Look at this dude in red armour who I saw slay 50 men before being mortaply wounded
>I'm gonna give him the blood kiss because he's such a good warrior
>LMAO
Sounds like something Abhorash would do

>>96484628
I don't accept that Abhorash hasn't heard or realized that Khorne and Khorne's followers don't care from whence the blood flows, only that it does.

>>96484724
I don't think he'd care. He respects good fighters and outside of a blurb in the end times about fightinf Chaos shows no interests in the wider games and politics of the setting. If you're a good fighter he (or potentially another blood dragon) might give you the blood kiss.

>>96484736
Abhorash either was such an honorable chad that he just refused to kill any innocent mortals around him after his birth or went on an uncontrolled rampage like the everyone else, before putting himself in time-out over the people he killed. If you have a thrid origin where he is a hypocrite like every other blood dragon I'd love to see it.
Abhorash trusted the wrong people and made some bad children, but he wouldn't resurrect a khorne worshiper.