Thread 96490987

WE ARE VENOM edition

>Bans
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025

>News
The 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:
https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule

>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotation
https://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation

>Spoilers
http://www.magicspoiler.com/
https://mythicspoiler.com/

CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES
>Current meta, complete with deck lists
https://www.mtgtop8.com/
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/
>Build and share casual decks
https://deckstats.net/
https://tappedout.net/

CUBE RESOURCES
>Build and share Cubes
https://cubecobra.com/landing

CARD RESOURCES
>Search engines
https://scryfall.com/
https://mtg.wtf/
>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://www.makeplayingcards.com/
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM
>Play online for free
https://untap.in/
https://dr4ft.info/

>What is EDH?
https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1

>WotC's War Crimes
https://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)
https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)

>Previously
>>96465432

>TQ
if you could be any magic card, which one would you be?

>if you could be any magic card, which one would you be?
Hot Dog Cart

What are the really good 2 mana creatures nowadays? Last time I played, stuff like Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and Young Pyromancer were the shit.

>if you could be any magic card, which one would you be?
Rest in Peace

>>96491071
>What are the really good 2 mana creatures nowadays? Last time I played, stuff like Tarmogoyf, Snapcaster Mage, Dark Confidant and Young Pyromancer were the shit.

Here's a creature that most lists include as mid-tier filler.

>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=72661&f=PREM
32 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71876&f=PREM
45 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71875&f=PREM
40 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71540&f=PREM
81 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71249&f=PREM
107 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71247&f=PREM
60 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=71452&f=PREM
50 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=69859&f=PREM
177 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68956&f=PREM
66 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68886&f=PREM
84 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68297&f=PREM
279 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=68163&f=PREM
92 players
>https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=67416&f=PREM
52 players

Embrace tradition.
Come back to Premodern, /tg/.
Come back home...

>>96491084
sovl...

>>96491071
>What are the really good 2 mana creatures nowadays?
Gay furries.

>>96491084
Is premodern popular among cute Japanese girls?

Deck for this feeling?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMsjiFXJ25g

>>96490987 (OP)
>TQ

What should I replace Thing in the Ice with in my Phoenix deck? Thing conflicts hard with phoenix, who isn't a horror

>>96491190
>What should I replace Thing in the Ice with in my Phoenix deck? Thing conflicts hard with phoenix, who isn't a horror
Cutter.

>>96490987 (OP)
>if you could be any magic card, which one would you be?
Black lotus, then at least someone would value me

>>96491190
drop phoenix

thang in da icecube is no cap bussin frfr

>White Spiderman
>Black Spiderman
>Indian Spiderman
>Pig Spiderman
>British Spiderman
>Gwen Spiderman
>Spiderwoman
>Spidergirl
>Spiderman but it's Mary Jane and her daughter
>Symbiote Spiderman
>Symbiote Spiderman but Gwen
>Spiderman noir
>Iron Spiderman
>Punk Spiderman
>Future Spiderman
>Mech-suit Spiderman
>Superior Spiderman #1
>Superior Spiderman #2
>Cat Spiderman
>Spiderman clone #1
>Spiderman clone #2
>Cosmic Spiderman
>Sun Spider

>if you could be any magic card, which one would you be?
Off the top of my head? This dude.
Ignore retarded kid trying to unfuck the tower, rescue library, have comfy book hoard.

>>96491268
Premodern is the cure, friend.

Just make Universe Beyond silver border and errata every collab to be non-legal, make it one or two blocks a year, stop the power creep
Shrimple as

>>96491274
I dunno, if I could just be that copy of chaos orb that was torn up and thrown on the table... I would pick that one, a true legend or just urban legend.... I would know truth and be a champion or not exist at all.

>>96491288
To be honest, the whole lore of mtg is kinda lost on me, are we supposed to bitch about stuff like the dark pulling crap from Halloween legends, or antiquities being magic in Arabia? Like fucking what the fuck? You can make your own cube and play with yourself. These collabs are bringing in new players, and the game will die without them retard.

>>96491356
That's cool faggot but I don't engage with namefags
I cast my second Approach and have won

>>96491288
As a player, whatever there's so much bullshit that's reoccurring. We got Urzas and Chandra and all kinds of other shit. You expect me to know the lore behind all this crap? I don't know why tezzeret and urza do artifact bull shit and I don't need to know that crap, it literally has 0 impact on my gameplay. All of a sudden Vivi shows up and breaks the game, like Jace has done teferi has done, I mean fuck off for a few years and come back, nobody will even notice you're gone.

>>96491268
Hot Dog Cart

>>96491365
I just pact of negation, finish your turn faggot.

>>96491382
>>96491391
I cast spell pierce and holding priority cast Shut The Fuck Up Stupid Namefag then link summon IP Masquerena

>>96491403
Bro I already jesters masked all your copies of shut the fuck up stupid name fag. Are we going to need to call the judge?

Ok /tg/, if you had to come up with a new mechanic for MTG, what would you come up with?

>>96491414
Bite the bullet and establish positional rules for the game. adjacent, left, right, in front, unobstructed, etc.

>>96491282
Have they made an affinity for dragons? That'd be a dope mechanic. It'd be bitched about like slivers, and affinity, but fun and make stupid piles viable.

>>96491414
sex

>>96491414
>Ok /tg/, if you had to come up with a new mechanic for MTG, what would you come up with?
You mean other than the ones I already have?

Adventure but it doesn't exile. Basically just split cards where one half is a creature.

>>96491429
already exists

>>96491439
Omens

>>96491414
See >>96491421
So its like... a 5 color rainbow faggot dragon, but gives all your dragons affinity for dragons.... works for casual players in their commander games. Maybe print a treasure dragon that can sacrifice for a mana to fix it or whatever... I dunno, that'd be cool

>>96491444
Yeah Omen without shuffling. Shuffling is a tiresome game action that should be reduced as much as is feasible.

>>96491439
I could see that hope/hate thing being really fun. The save your enchantment crap... I see it difficult because of the activation cost... just call it enchanted equipment and its not an artifact but acts like equipment

>>96491470
>The save your enchantment crap... I see it difficult because of the activation cost... just call it enchanted equipment and its not an artifact but acts like equipment
It's an open-ended ability word on more than just auras.

>>96491133
Premodern is starting to pick up in Japan a little bit; previously Japan was Middle School and Old School only in terms of quasi-official fan formats. I've seen a handful of Japanese women who play legacy on Twitter and saw 2 women and 1 trap playing in person when I last visited.

It's fucking card.

>>96491754
okay? It's literally just cards saying him instead of it

>>96491421
Affinity for artifacts worked because there's a lot of cheap artifacts that do something marginally useful.
Affinity for dragons may as well read "affinity for 6-drops with no inbuilt discount" which is probably the most useless line of text imaginable.

>>96491766
'It' has worked for 30 years. The changes in templating to this point have been focused on making the game clearer and more recently saving space to overcomplicate the cards. This has identity politics and woke pronouns written all over it.

>>96491766
I would greater prefer a clear delineation in templating between cards and players, or we're going to readily run into mixed meaning "they" within a single text box.

>>96491965
valid

>>96491414
Horsemankicker

>>96491918
how long do you think it will take for WotC to use Xir/Xim in a real card?

>>96492042
Next Lorwyn

>>96492049
the end is night

>>96492042
It's okay because this stunningly brave decision will be placed on a 2c legendary creature printed at uncommon that has no remarkable properties even in draft.

>>96492042
this will never happen. Singular they/them for sure, but they already did that with Sami in EoE.

>>96491912
Nobody said the mechanic was supposed to be good. Make it a fucking 2 mana artifact that can be your commander that gives all dragons the affinity for dragons text.

>>96492042
>Xir/Xim
They already used those in some kaldheim stories so it shouldn't be long before it appears on real cards

>>96492152
>kaldheim
don't remind me

It’s pronounced “Niggerheim”

How can we save this game?
Everything is shit…

Wait Lorwyn will have non-commander decks? Why did they have to change the setting to make it gay ?! :(

guess the upcoming ubs for 2026 anons, the slop we will have to eat may be not as terrible as current slop!

>>96492152
>They already used those in some kaldheim stories

Why is this the only spell that makes Teval's delve-granting ability even slightly worth using?

>>96492381
You better use exsanguinate as it doesn't target.

who thought more players = better game outside wotc shills?

>>96492450
More players equals more profits which is always good (according to hasjew)
Infinite line goes up is the worst meme this world has seen

>>96492464
it's just that I see "players" using this argument to defend universes beyond

>>96492450
who thinks more players = dead game outside of gatekeeping autists

>>96490987 (OP)
>if you could be any magic card

>>96491190
No it doesn't.
>flip titi
>play looting as spell
>move to combat

>>96491190
play arcane adaptation naming horror

Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pBo-GL9SRg
>Flames to dust
>Lovers to friends
>Why do all good things come to an end?

I should have stopped caring about MtG years ago. Goodbye and thank you for all the good memories.

>>96492667
I bet hit play group will allow him to play Graham O'Brien and The Cabbage Merchant as partner commanders

>>96492667
>Saffron Olive was never truly the same after UB entered standard...

This cannot kill Cloud, but can kill Spider-Man villains

>>96492765
Trust WotC, they will definitely add villain to the list, trust MaRo

(lots of irony)

>>96492667
What makes a man, attached for so many years to a product, so devoid and idiotic that he is capable of throw away any logic, do the most impressive mental gymnastic ever and tell himself to every person alive that he will actually embrace the shit, and what's more, enjoy it... I guess all it takes is just one bad day uh?

>>96492667
Why does he do that annoying fake voice in his videos?

Why didn't oldwalkers just eat a bunch of sandwiches, hot dogs, and bagels to become harder to kill? Were they stupid?

>>96492847
What makes you think it's fake?

>>96491419
very good.

>>96492765
Villains often work within the law.

>>96492847
>she thinks that LARDonions is faking that "voice".

>>96491414
Keyword for a bunch of mechanics that punish players for playing spells costing less mana than their MV. Damage to the opponent, surveilling, putting +1/+1 counters, you name it.

>>96492937
I don't think Black Cat, Venom, or Green Goblin do.

>>96492961
Sure, but many do. Doctor Doom famously is basically extralegal. It's not an inherent legality thing, being a Villain. Many Heroes are arguably Outlaws too.

>>96492883
It doesn't sound natural, it sounds forced, like he's trying to imitate the announcer that saw the Hidenberg go up in flames. His continual head movements are also unnatural, it's clearly a fake voice for show.

>>96492359
I had no idea. Holy shit.

>>96492667
this unironically reads like a Joker breakdown rant
embracing madness and all that
I almost respect it, at least he's finding fun in this endless mire instead of desperately clinging to some vain hope things will ever actually get better

>>96492667
>modern food
>both foods were made in-between 14th and 17th century
I know what he meant, but I was just a bit annoyed by that

>>96492667
Honestly, I've never been a fan of food as a card subtype. It's kinda cute when there are food synergies, especially when it comes to food creatures, but it was one of the many mechanics in the past 10 years that just didn't feel like it justified being in a game about magic. Food should've just been a creature type and all food tokens should've been kindred/tribal artifact tokens.

>>96493290
They just probably wanted to do another way to get life-gain but couldn't think of another way to do it

This is AI generated, right?
>weird grid windows
>brick wall fence
>chimney isn't in line with itself
>power lines going to nowhere and are higher than a 3 story house
>birds on the power lines are fucking massive

>>96493396
Before you scream AI, maybe google the artist first. See what they have done before.

>>96491190
phoenix hasn't been on thing for a while now, what does the rest of your list looks like? are you running picklock prankster, proft's eidetic memory and artist talent? if not, consider running 4-2-1 copies of them respectively

>>96493396
retard

>>96493396
not ai the artist is just a dumbshit

>>96493416
I did check his Artstation, and it all looked generally fine to me. If Sanctuary's art was available in higher resolution it would be a lot easier to compare to his other stuff.

>>96492667
The man has been broken and all he can do now is cope. It's inevitable as this game becomes a whored out parody of itself: you either cope or you seethe or you walk away. I almost feel bad for these long time content creators because they've built their livelihood on Magic and now they have to watch while it collapses before their eyes and wonder if they could've done something to prevent this.

>>96493521
The end is near.

>>96493521
I saw a video about that, apparently he was also going around calling himself art director of Lorcana. In front of other artists for the line who knew he wasn't. He also signed cards other people drew, putting his signature over their names.

>>96492335
Star Trek for one, at least.

>>96492335
Reminder this image is fan-made. The known sets are real, but there has been zero confirmations of a non-Standard set anywhere.

>>96492335
“Where’s Loot? set”

>>96494039
>>96492335
Star Trek like this anon said
My other two bets are:
More Marvel, yes just like your made up image i think they will make a new shitty UB marvel set worse or of the same quality as Spooderman maybe with the Fagstastic 4 or GayX men.

And a dying video game franchise to capture are those geeks and gamers money… I don’t know which video game maybe Zelda? Minecraft? Resident Evil? Don’t know but it will be also a shit.

>>96494065
Waldo Secret Lair but with Loot?

>>96494074
>Minecraft?
It's inevitable.

>his format has no enemy-colored fetchlands
lol, lmao even

>>96493754
Watching old Professor literally struggle to say he doesn’t like Spider-Man was hilarious. He knows his paychecks from YouTube and JOTC are dependent on him forever bending the knee and never criticizing anything, lest he “Yuck their yums” which is most retarded cringy kikety PR thing to say. Eventually they are going to drop the veil completely when UB crashes the game with no survivors.

>>96494080
>Where’s Waldo Loot Secret Lair
The Waldo lookalikes are all Jace clones disguised to look like Loot

>>96494065
Whenever I see Loot, I just imagine Hasbro desperately trying to make a cute mascot they can pump out endless merchandise of and failing horribly.

>>96494154
There’s no going back. There already is UB, the crash already happened. There’s no going back from the Space Beleren deck using Assassin’s Creed, Optimus Prime, Frodo, Dr. Who, Jeff Goldbloom, Rick, Sephiroth, Peter Parker and Spongebob, and it was already ridiculous with fake cards like stickers and Space Beleren
Magic as an IP has become so shit that other IPs elevate it and I’m here for that

>>96491084
>>96491133
>>96491609
Premodern is for poor brown retards from dirty shitholes like brazil. inb4 brownskins seethe and report

>>96494211
>Whenever I see Loot, I just imagine Hasbro desperately trying to make a cute mascot they can pump out endless merchandise of and failing horribly.
That is exactly what Loot is and I’m here for it

>>96494211
To be fair it’s a relic of their faith in their own original content from the “Magic the Gathering show on Netflix” era of a decade ago
They have more faith in printing Stranger Things cards than showing Jace on Netflix

>>96494260
I normally wouldn't mind, but Loot is offensively ugly and I don't like looking at him.

>>96494257
It's pretty popular in Japan, too.

>>96494276
You don’t think he’s metrically observably adorable? You don’t like Gems?

>>96494288
Wait a minute, this isn’t the Arena thread. Anon, if you can’t experience Loot as a premium pet companion avatar on Arena then maybe Loot isn’t for you.

>>96494282
No, it isn't.

>>96494308
It's played all around the world. The format YOU like the most, is also played in Brazil.

>>96494320
Everything is done all over the world. That doesn't make premodern not primarily a brown third world format.

>>96494251
> Magic as an IP has become so shit that other IPs elevate it and I’m here for that
This disbelief and absolute bullshit is what makes you the vermin we should erase and gatekeep. Magic survived many many years being just Magic. No Spider-Man, No Avatar, No LOTR, just Magic, the wrong belief that this “Fornitification” of Magic is necessary for the game to survive is the kind of retarded statement that COCKS and Nosewater are trying to sell to their revenues, but is nothing more than unadulterated greed and corporate lies and the reason why Magic is in his actual decadent state

>>96494327
2 events in Brazil, 2 in Germany, 2 in Italy. Last 20 days.

Battleship set when?

we need more UB sets

I honestly think it was the worst dumbest decision they’ve ever made but it’s already done for. The supplementary sets were already killing constructed and this was before you could use Karn to summon The One Ring from Lord of the Rings. The real crash has happened and it happened after years of bullshit so we are currently living in precrash era. Other IPs will continue to elevate the dead Magic IP and in a decade there will be a Magic card for Star Wars, Pokemon, Warcraft, Jojos, League of Legends, DC comics, The War in Iraq, and more

>>96494330
I had faith in “Magic the Gathering show on Netflix” but they cockteased for a decade and lacked faith themselves, still no show on TV about Jace and Chandra and Lilly, trust me bro it wasn’t me who unleashed this I am just trying to get you to understand that in postcrash era Magic you have to come to terms with the old IP sharing space with multiculturalism of other IPs, and it’s a good thing

>>96494344
Hasbro chaff board game UB would be the worst cringe ever outside of Minecraft.

>>96494371
>precrash
***postcrash

>>96494397
It would be the most based set ever, Hasbroslop set on Broterra, the plane taking place in a 1990’s America setting. Battleships, G.I. Joes, the Peace in the Middle-East, Nascar Hotwheels

>>96492961
Black Cat is an outlaw though. No idea about Green Goblin and Venom though

>>96494415
Most of the games are set in America (Axis & Allies, Hungry Hungry Hippos, Frogger)
Damn I want an America set

I think you underestimate Minecraft potential as a Magic set. Craft was already a good mechanic and imagine the amount of interesting cards we could get in all formats :)

>>96494431
Someone plays the Chicken Jockey card and the whole pod has to get up and destroy the LGS

>>96494415
>It would be the most based set ever, Hasbroslop set on Broterra, the plane taking place in a 1990’s America setting. Battleships, G.I. Joes, the Peace in the Middle-East, Nascar Hotwheels
YES
YESS
EMBRACE THE BURGERPUNK

The set is called Americana (It sounds like Lorecana so the elderly and ESLs get confused and might buy it especially with new character Mikey, the Mouse (Loot’s mouse-hybrid cousin)
The target audience for this set is Hasbro execs

>>96492381
>Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate aren't good uses

Burger: The Punkening

>>96494397
I wouldn't put it past them. The last Ravnica set was literally a Clue crossover. It's the same Hasbro that spent over 200M$ on a Battleship movie adaptation.

>>96490987 (OP)
>no devour
would have been a neat card to re-feature a mediocre mechanic

>>96494275
>>96494392
The show (and movie, for some reason) are still in development hell, likely because every time WotC hands the director a script or outline, they realize what a fucking flaming dumpster fire MtG """writing""" is.
MtG "writing" is basically what happens when you spend 99% of your time on the premise and 1% of the time on the actual story. You get an interesting setting that goes fucking nowhere in a paint-by-numbers plotline that makes all the characters feel incredibly shallow, and the longer you spend in the setting the more you realize that it's not fleshed out at all.
WotC simply can not create stories. We saw this with literally every story since Weatherlight's infamous crash and burn ending. WAR was WotC's infinite wisdom thinking "Maybe if we put a HUGE spotlight on the conclusion to the Jacestice League Saga, people will like it because they just weren't giving it a chance!" Lo and behold, it was so fucking bad they aborted the book series midway through. Not to mention it gave rise to set design so bad the game STILL feels the negative effects of uncommon planeswalkers with static abilities (oh, hi Kaito, didn't see you there!)
It's legitimately fucking embarrassing when I read Gay Bolas Anon's fanfiction to make fun of it then I find myself thinking "Man, this is actually enormously better than anything WotC put out." Someone's fanfiction that tries to reframe Bolas as being in love with Ugin and not knowing how to express his feelings did a better job than WotC could with extremely basic fantasy plots. Why? Because within his story all the character felt like they weren't cardboard cutouts designed to fill an archetype despite said archetype serving no purpose in the story. Ugin being a useless asshole was actually explained as a flaw instead of him always having some bullshit reason that's never explained to be a useless asshole. WotC, somehow, has less self-awareness than an anon that wrote fanfiction about Gay Bolas.

My issue is that I DON'T want a Magic: the Gathering show. I don't care about the plot of most sets. I want to make up my own lore based on the artwork and the hints of the flavor text. I don't want a serial drama that has a 99% chance of being worse than any headcanon.

>>96494415

>Americana set designed by people who hate the old US and everything it stood for.

Haven't we learned anything from the LotR set? I wouldn't trust modern day WotC to sell me a ham sandwich.

>>96494609
>GBA's fanfic mentioned
I tried listening to that fanfic with TTS and I remember it always fucking up the pronunciation of "Ugin".
I really felt Nicol being ready to let himself die so Ugin wouldn't have to bother with him anymore. I actually cried at that.

>>96494652
>lore based on the artwork and the hints of the flavor text
This is how it should be done and why the oldest sets still beat out newer ones. "Visit the shores of imagination".

When will OM1 be revealed yesterday? I assume all at once?

>>96494823
>Yesterday
I dunno, anon, you're the one living backwards apparently.

>>96494844
By yesterday I meant tomorrow. Freudian slip.

WHERE ARE THE SPOILERS
I CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT MY SPOILERS

Ok fine, if Magic story is so fucking boring and shitty, then here’s a small proposal literally off the top of my head as I type:

The plane is Rabiah, and after years of turmoil, the Djinn and Efreeti have taken over the cities beyond the Sea of Sand. Basri Ket has been teleported to a local slum through an Omenpath that, through the rough and chaotic energies of the portal, reignites his Spark while destroying said Omenpath forever. When Basri arrives, he notices the locals are terrified from the rule of the Djinn who no longer are bound to lamps or masters. Solider tier Efreeti roam the alleyways and streets of Rabiah along with servant raiders and cutthroats, about to come upon him and some beggars but they quickly hide him in a nearby hovel, as the sand itself whips up with flashes of lighting and flame passing them by. As the raiders and Efreeti leave, Basri learns about the plight of the people of Rabiah, and how once there was a great king who could trap these beings into lamps and other antiques fused with magic. Basri now understands the purpose of his journey, and vows to continue the virtues of Oketra by uniting the Rabiahns in solidarity against the tyrannous Djinn. But in doing so for the sake of freedom of the people, he must find a way to pacify the Djinn and Efreeti without resorting to the same enslavement that previous generations did upon them. The answer lies somewhere….in the Sea of Sand…

>>96494652
just ignore it. its not even real. bad fiction cant hurt you.

I want an mtg show for the same reasons saffron olive wants food cards in the game

>>96494959
>The plane is Rabiah, and after years of turmoil, the Djinn and Efreeti have taken over the cities beyond the Sea of Sand.
Just stop here. Anything beyond this one sentence is excessive and detracts from a great concept.

>>96494959
Wow good job you made a premise. WotC has dozens of these.
How does the story develop and why do I care about any of the characters?

>>96490987 (OP)
>TQ

>>96494959
>yeah I'm going to be the ideas guy, this shit is so easy bro
99% of the work in writing is the execution, the concept is one of the least important things. Many of the most popular franchises in the world have retarded or extremely simple concepts, sometimes both.

So we are worse designers than WotC?

>>96492971
>Sure, but many do
>posts an extreme outlier
how many marvel villains are rulers of foreign countries who are afforded diplomatic immunity?

>card has incredible art
>card is unplayable everywhere

>>96495122
>from the creators of Mirrodin and Innistrad comes a brand new horror set that’s sure to terrify: CHICAGO
>>96491439
>>96491479
>Exhaust again

>>96495318
There are no good designers.

>>96495357
Quite a few such cases.

>>96495318
Of course, but it's not our jobs.

>>96493396
>weird grid windows
Just a feature of some craftsman style homes.

>>96492937
irl villains do not cool villains in fantasy media

can i still play burn in modern?
thinking about going to modern night at my lgs for the first time in years and its the only deck i still have the majority of cards for

>>96495323
Fair, but you also have villains who're, say, aliens, or magical beings who don't really fit into a legal system at all. You can't really arrest Venom.

>>96492496
Oh for gods sake I'm an actual fucking retard
I keep forgetting phoenix says at start of combat, for some reason I was paranoid Thing would bounce phoenix back
Goddamn I'm dumb

>>96495360
>Battle for Detroit

>>96495483
>can i still play burn in modern?
it's very off-meta and you'll be working really hard against certain matchups but yeah, you can do it
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7331845#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7326925#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7327830#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7306679#paper
these are from the last 2 weeks

mana is too free now

>>96493067
Goldberg

>>96494959
>Magic's problem is that it's all premise no substance
>Anon's "solution" is another premise with no substance

So I recently got into mtg, but is it normal for the quality of the cards to be kinda ... meh? I noticed pretty much every card I got from some packs I got as a gift had the little oval hologram stamp either off center, turned at an angle (so it's not parallel with the card), or the oval itself was imperfect (e.g. little dents into it, foil poking out of the oval, etc). The cards and their art themselves seemed fine though.

>>96495764
You might've gotten fakes, there's sometimes issues but typically not with regular cards. The oval thing is specifically an anti-counterfeiting measure.

>>96495764
This has been a problem for a long time and WotC doesn't even bother trying to fix it because they know their consumer base are addicts that will eat it up anyway.
The 1/1 TOR came out of the pack off-center causing it to be graded 9/10.

>>96495599
neat thanks

isn't premodern a solved format?

>>96496115
Yes.

>>96496115
genuine question: which formats do you think aren't solved right now?

>>96495787
>fakes
>straight out of a pack a LGS sold
Anon, I am fairly sure a store didn't sell me fakes. Especially not fakes of cards worth only a few cents.

>>96496165
You said it was a gift, not bought from a store. In that case it's probably shoddy QC.

>>96496188
They came out of a pack that my friend bought from a store. I got them sealed in the pack and even opened them myself. Basically every oval hologram is crooked or off-center, and a few are even worse. This one is a promo the LGS handed out straight from a sealed promo pack. Look at how off-center and messed up the oval is.

>>96496159
in a year all of those other formats will have new sets added and bans. Premodern will still be exactly the same.

>>96496188
>>96496217
And another example. This time the oval looks better, but it's shifted way over to the right. I don't think any of the packs came with one where it's actually centered.

>>96496254
>in a year all of those other formats will have new sets added and bans.
I'm not talking about a year, I'm talking about right now.
>Premodern will still be exactly the same.
I'm not even arguing in favor of premodern here, I'm specifically asking you, what formats do you think aren't solved right now? This isn't a gotcha question, I genuinely want to hear your answer.

>>96495764
>>96496217
The quality of cards has plummeted since 2019 and it was somewhat hit and miss before then. There are more extreme occurences of misplaced holostamps than your photos sometimes appearing far away from the intended placement, or completely missing. If your store has older bulk or your friends have some older cards, try looking at foil cards in the original frame or modern (pic related) frame, and compare them to cards in the M15 (holostamp) frame, especially those from 2019 onwards.

>>96495787
And yet it doesn't work, if anything lending more validity to fake cards because their placement and quality is better than official WotC product.

>>96496165
There are instances where people will hype up a card before it's released causing counterfeit producers to print it, only for the value to plummet within days of the official release. We're trying to discourage this but EDHonlies are desperate for whatever new garbage WotC cooks up.

>flat out quit MtG three years ago since there was ZERO sign of WotC unfucking the game even a little bit
>Curiosity got me to see what's been up with MtG since going borderline cold turkey
>Endless crossover and Marvel shit has continued to flood the game
>Has even breached into FUCKING STAshot?
>Hot Dog Cart is a real thing
Never have I felt more vindicated in a decision. How the fuck do any of you put up with this shit?

>>96496357
>How the fuck do any of you put up with this shit?
I don't play standard

>>96496355
Why did they change the borders and add the stamps and make the frames hideous anyway? I remember nearly vomiting when I saw those ass ugly Future Sight frames. I wish they'd just stick to the original ("retro") frames.

>>96496357
>How the fuck do any of you put up with this shit?
I don't. Haven't bought shit in years. I just come here to get the scoop on what's new with the rape of MtG.

>>96496357
Playing closed formats like classic legacy, premodern or cube.

>>96496357
>implying I'll buy spooderman
Ulamog and his spaghetti gang will delete the UB shitters.

>>96496357
I play Arena… Guess what? 0 capeshit there. Sorry for paper losers

>>96494462
>One with everything, please
Why doesn't it have an ability that puts all cards in your graveyard into your hand

>>96496856
it should draw you to 7 cards, the opposite of one with nothing

>>96496896
>The wording is messed up so if you cast it while you have 8 cards in hand it causes an infinite loop and causes a draw

>>96496776
>he pays money for digital pixels instead of something he can own forever

>>96497009
>paying for cards on arena
guess again

>>96497009
>Paying
>Arena
Haha paper bro, bad news for you haha

>>96497020
>>96497037
>they slave away grinding for less than minimum wage just so they can say they didn't pay money for the pixel cards

>>96497009
>he doesn't know
draftlets always lose

>>96497045
>Bad at draft
Point at him and laugh
Laugh with all your might

>>96497045
You're really bad at this

>>96490987 (OP)

Another previous thread for archival purposes.
>>96470158

>>96492042
The Eumidians use it as one of their 5 pronouns.

>>96495360
>>Exhaust again
I've had this keyword worked out long before Exhaust.literally just strips all tension from it. Going from a game-wide boolean to a creature-based on turns it from a keyword with gameplay implications, to one that has almost no considerations as to when you should use it. The time you use an Exhaust ability is always as soon as you are able to. Very boring mechanic.

>>96497422
I'd like exhaust to come back ngl. It seemed like a good mechanic in an absolute dogshit set. It has evergreen potential imo.

they can't stop me from running 4x of lightning helix because of how cool it looks. i spin the block at my lgs tossing this thing around

>>96497429
>I'd like exhaust to come back ngl. It seemed like a good mechanic in an absolute dogshit set. It has evergreen potential imo.
i'd argue my keyword is superior in almost every regard. Exhaust brings no tension or decision making to a game. It adds no considerations to deckbuilding either. Even worse how WotC seemed fanatically devoted to making as many Exhaust abilities as possible no more than "Put +1/+1 counters on this, then do thing." WotC took a middling mechanic and executed it as boring as possible.

But in terms of facilitating interesting, impactful effects without having them be abusable? It's okay at that. If an Exhaust ability was ever too broken you could just flicker the creature to get it again, kind of defeating the point of having a keyword that's a safety valve. Having the check not tied to game object state gives you the benefit of that safety valve, without having it be trivially circumvented.

I think Exhaust was terribly executed and, having playtested a clone of it fairly well, among the worst versions of all possible similar effects.

Spider-man draft archetypes
I hope you guys are happy to experiment with the mystery enemy color pair archetypes.

>>96497456
>180 fucking cards
It is not draftable.
WotC had to invent a fake format, "4 player pods" to even pretend at it being draftable.

It is not draftable and it is even less draftable than that because it's in Play Boosters and not real Draft Boosters. It's just AssCreed but dumber and they're trying harder to shoehorn it into places it doesn't belong.

>check back in to /tg/ after a year away from mtg
>see avatar and spiderman
>mfw the game is only getting worse just as predicted
Why do I do this, why do I torture myself? I even sold off every card I own save for one. I just can't let go. I just can't let it die.

>>96497429
It going to show up again.

>>96497490
>Why do I do this, why do I torture myself? I even sold off every card I own save for one. I just can't let go. I just can't let it die.
Enjoying a clown show is perfectly fine. MTG is a carnival sideshow now, not a game. Get your peanuts and throw them at the freaks.

>>96497491
>Put two +1/+1 counters on this creature.
jfc WotC can we please not just take the same boring, shit execution of a mechanic with potential you did last time, and do it again?

If you want to rehash Monstrous, JUST DO MONSTROUS AGAIN FOR FUCK SAKE.

>>96497507
They use the counters to remind you it was already used. All uncommons and below will use counters.

>>96497507
Uhm ackstually Monstrous was associated with monsters which don't fit MtG cards so we replace it with Exhaust like the cars and vehicles mkay?

>>96497537
>Make stupid mechanic that introduces awful memory issues.
>Make mechanic as boring as it could possibly be to alleviate said memory issues.
BAD.
DESIGN.

ooh geez I just realized exhaust is basically a less exciting monstrous

>>96497576
Less exciting, lass flavorful and now with a name that's literally just a cringe pun.

>>96493396
the garage next to the house looks weird

>>96497642
>the garage next to the house looks weird
Anon, that's called a woman.

>>96493396
Is it a wood slat house or is it a brick house? Look at the walls. The line of the wall is continuous on the side of the house. On the front of the house, it's segmented like it's brick. Definitely looks like AI

>>96497701
Different walls made of different materials.

>>96497590
It's a pun only in the set it came from. Otherwise it's just a straightforward name that's more widely applicable (you're literally exhausting the creature).

>>96497753
"Widly applicable" is a bad thing.
Mechanics ought to evoke flavor as much as possible.
Bushido is rightly locked to Kamigawa. A plane's identity should be tied to its mechanics, so it is not a problem for a mechanic to have flavor limited to a plane.

>>96493396
what is wrong with her leg? what is wrong with her back?

>>96497761
preaching to the choir dawg

Why is Dimir gay

>>96497799
I got a lil bit of a chubby seeing that.

>>96493396
the windows do not have matching numbers of panels. the dog is an especially big dog. the brick wall on the right blocks off the front when it should divide the buildings

>>96497827
that dog is freaking me out

>7 standard bans in one announcement
this game is cooked isn't it

>>96497874
>Seven bans
>Go directly into the most broken Standard has ever been
WotC deserves some kind of prize for their total dedication to being failures.

Do people actually have fun playing against affinity

>>96497896
Not with that attitude

>>96497896
I love affinity

this question came up during draft
does this animate permanently and give flying until end of turn, or animated with flying until end of turn?
we played it as animated until end of turn, but the formatting is different than I'd expect. if it was animated until EoT it's usually "becomes a X/Y creature with [in addition to its other types] until end of turn."

>>96490987 (OP)
If I start up a game of something something MTG, am I supposed to accept spider man and other comic shit in my magic, monsters and swords card game?

I just want to play commons or something. Do I have to suffer this in MTG? I would get asked if silver border cards were ok, and at least I had an option to say no to that stuff.

>>96498028
Animated with flying until EOT, the effect is not permanent.

>>96498038
>If I start up a game of something something MTG, am I supposed to accept spider man and other comic shit in my magic, monsters and swords card game?
No. You aren't supposed to accept that. But WotC is going to shove it on you anyway. And shills will claim "You don't have to engage with it!" while it's a multiplayer game and someone across from you is playing them.

>>96497823
Butthurt induced Bolasexuality

>>96493396
You are dumb

>>96497890
>Go directly into the most broken Standard has ever been
standard is objectively slightly less broken now than it was immediately before the bans, nevermind "has ever been"

>>96498133
>standard is objectively slightly less broken now than it was immediately before the bans,
Anon, it went from a 2 deck format where both had 30% meta share to a 1 deck format where the one deck has 80% meta share.

>>96498133
Time for your meds Maro

>>96498133
Oko had 70% overall meta share prior to his bannings and he had less top8 presence than Vivi does right now.

>>96491094
Thank god he stopped the punch, otherwise that stick figure would've shattered his wrist

>>96498133
>top 16 at $50,000 tournament is 10 izzets and 5 mono reds
https://melee.gg/Tournament/View/298797

>>96492652
You better not commit suicide, fag.

>>96498191
>that one guy with a ub deck

>>96498191
>azorius control
based

>>96498197
They respected him for it

The worst part is that this game isn't just being balanced around tournament results
Its being balanced around arena bo1 standard games
And not just the direct stuff like Leyline of Resonance
All the reddit whine posts are formulated based on players like THIS

Imagine if your game's rules are being formulated on the basis of people who get spoonfed perfect curves every game from a rigged shuffler with 1-2-3-4 braindead aggro draws and still somehow figure out ways to self-destruct themselves and lose unloseable games

>>96498291
i remember when they added phyrexian obliterator to arena and people would actually cast fight spells on it and then rope once they realized they were illiterate
good times

*justice strikes ur phyrexian obliterator*
what now timmy?

>>96498303
i sac my 4 reassembling skeletons and 1 swamp

According to my research all trannies run final fantasy decks, one of them even named himself aerith and is making zero effort to pass lol

Research Conducted in 3 lgs over a month

>>96498291
>UI displays a number next to a trigger
>asks you to choose targets
>trigger resolves
>number has changed
lying computer games

>>96495098
AVACYNS COLLAR THE SYMBOL OF HER CHURCH

>>96495122
I'm something of a scientist myself {2UU}
Instant
Draw three cards, then discard any number of cards, then draw cards equal to the number of cards you discarded this way.

>>96493416
>they
Invalid opinion, also the grass keeps going even in front of the door.

>>96498300
Fuck, I remember Zetalpa and how retards would play kill spells on it and be surprised that it didn't go anywhere. Had one guy cast Plummet on it twice (just in case the first one was a fluke).

>drafting a deck at my LGS
>realize post event that I did not include any rare in the deck
huh... would you look at that

>>96492667
Bagels vastly predate things like guns, which people on /tg/ complain are not included in MTG. People wanted thompsons in Capenna when Hot dog carts are about the same amount of recency. And Graham is a guy with a sandwich, which is not a new invention. Best you got is the ramen which wasn't done that way until the microwave.

>>96492971
Guys like Punisher and Deadpool are literally worse than 90% of Spidey's rogues gallery.

>>96494959
>fantasyslop

>>96491410
In response I grab my Glock and double tap you point blank in the face

>>96499011
Of them, cup noodles is the newest, being made in 1971.

>>96492765
>>96492788

I called it when they added the witch and warlock subtypes. Too much type granularity hurts the game. It's increasingly harder for cards from different sets to interact with each other. It's also flavor fail because the R&D doesn't plan on ever reusing those kind of types. So you get situations like these. This is example #45489 of why the game is getting worse.

There really needs to be a Maro Vision (TM) version of standard where the banning didn't happen
Vivi, Cauldron, Cori
vs
Beanstalk with all the alternative cost mechanics
vs
Full rat package and Rage

>>96499122
its called pioneer and it sucks

>spiderman set
>no uncle ben
>but they add spiderman redeemer

>>96498660
You don't even speak English.

>>96495318
>design
Yes the /ccg/ threads were for the most part worsely designed legendaries.

>>96499330
imagine the smell

When OM1 reveal?

>>96499425
>Day 1 Errata: Spiderman India must always block Juggernaut if able

>>96499425
so, we can't have Shaman creatures because they are "culturally insensitive" but we can have baby-trampling temples?
I see how it is

>>96490987 (OP)
Is MTG just a spiderman cardgame now or something?

>>96499483
Only in paper, and no one plays anything but EDH in paper.

>>96499443
>so, we can't have Shaman creatures
but... we can
they never said they were going to stop printing shamans
https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Ashaman&order=released

>>96499622
"Less" is not "none". Also, you know, the examples of new and reprinted shamans I posted in my link.
Learn to read.

>>96499707
>Learn to read
words to me

What's the best legendary to cheat with this guy in Pioneer? Ulamog and Emrakul?

>>96499776
>one or more colors

>>96499776
>That's one or more colors
Nevermind, I'm stupid.

>>96499841
Probably rights issues, he didn't show up in Spider-verse as well, and Marvel didn't originally have Toei approval for him to show in the Comics either.

>>96499939
I think Toei only specifically owns the rights to Leopardon, but without that, he's just kind of Spider-Man.

>>96499939
Though he is apparently set to show up in the next Spider-Verse movie (probably a relatively small part but still). Apparently Stan Lee loved the show.

UBtards are cringe. You might as well play Unglued/unhinged/Unfinity and call it legal.

>>96500010
But you do realize UB is now in every format?

>>96500024
That doesn’t mean I have to play those cards. I defy these JOTC despots and their cringe regime.
Glory to the revolution!
Hail to the purity of Magic!

>>96491084
I've been playing on MTGO
it's fun. Idk how long it will be fun because basically every deck runs the port and wasteland but I'm enjoying it.

>>96500178
Are you Brazilian?

>>96491754
>our
m8 you buy cardboard, you ain't making shit.

>>96500178
Based.
Keep on enjoying good Magic and pay no attention to the faggot that keeps calling every Premodern enjoyer a BR, he's just salty as FUCK because he likes eating slop by the spoon.

>>96499425
>menace

>>96492667
>mtg pays the bills so I have to just take whatever they serve me and ask for more
There was a time in my life I woulda killed to make mtg content. Not so much anymore.

>>96493396
idk if it's ai but it does look like shit

>>96500185
no.

>>96500498
Anti-premodern fag on life support!

Four goddamn Secret Lairs announced for Spider-Man. One is Venom-themed, all art by Mark Bagley.

One is broadly villains-themed, with this particularly anatomically fucked-up Black Cat in one.

One's hero-themed, mostly Peter, but a bit of Miles and Gwen in it. The card selection for this and the villains one is ass.

And the last is a basic lands lair but it's all this Venom-y style.

Where are my UN set bros at?

>>96500630
Unfinity killed the likelihood of them coming back.

Where's the OM1?

who thought lotus petal tokens were a good idea?

>>96500741
The people who made them not cost 0, probably.

Is Pauper actually in a good spot right now? Sure 70% of the meta is Aggro but no deck makes up more than 10% of the meta. Granted, Mono-U is 14% but that's actually two quite different decks crammed into the same category for some reason.

>>96492667
>Imagine Sisyphus happy by I.M. Goy

Why is this set so cringe? Who is the target audience of this irreverent shit?

Bumplock reached, new thread baked
>>96500882
>>96500882
>>96500882
>>96500882
>>96500882

>>96492667
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/spider-man-is-a-bad-magic-set-but-does-it-matter
>I dump a ginormous stinky shit on your plate
:>Does it matter?
Saffron stop... Stop sucking the corpo cock man... STOP
STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP

>>96494154
>Watching old Professor literally struggle to say he doesn’t like Spider-Man was hilarious. He knows his paychecks from YouTube and JOTC are dependent on him forever bending the knee and never criticizing anything
90% of Prof's content is literally bashing and shitting on WotC products. Never forget the Innistrad Double Feature review
>The product - if you can even call it that - is an absolute fail
>And there it is. That's all you need to know

>>96500996
I'm guessing his point is more "Will being a shit set actually stop people from buying it?"

>>96500612
>have phyrexia slick oil basics
>now someone is going to ask "oh shit do you have venom swamps"?
gotta stop using them now aren't I