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>Thread Question:
The premise of your last game now involves a Frog, what changes?

>drawfags are taking over our general
Which clan should I blame?

>>96501673
Anon, if you don't already know the answer to that, then you should see a doctor. You clearly have brain damage.

>>96494552
Genuinely, could you expand on this for me? I've heard some good thing and it's on my tentative to-play pile when it's out but contrasting opinions are useful.

>>96501713
I think it's a false flag operation to blame the toreafags.

>>96501673
You shouldn't blame the Clan: You should thank it for restoring drawfaggotry in WoDg.

>>96501673
Toderons would be the obvious choice, meaning this is a false flag operation by Nosferatu.

Which is all orchestrated by ancient Methuselah known as Anonkunnet for his devious plans.

>>96502073
>meaning this is a false flag operation by Nosferatu.
I knew it!
Fucking nosfeRATS!

>>96502067
0.001 blood point has been deposited to your account.

Sup /WoDg/, I'm your neighbor from /exg/ bearing a message. Treat your drawfags well, you don't wanna lose 'em. We lost ours and our thread never recovered.

>>96502278
yeah

>>96502278
I wonder if the Settite drawanon from /Schreckt/ is still aorund

>>96502624
I am. Just haven't had anything useful to contribute sadly. Aside from my joke in character post on the Serpentis pic regarding Toreador artists changing details to make things "more dramatic."

>>96502278
Honestly, I love drawfags because they are one of the few ways we can see things in WoD that no one else is making art for.
Like, take that Fomori, Nephandi Wednesday looking family portrait. Not even in my wildest dreams I can see Paradox greenlitting it, especially with their bland ass W5.

There are many things in WoD I would to see drawn, like say Chulorvian Elders. Or sections of the Labyrinth or a dramatic rendetion of the opening of the Mage The Ascension 2nd Edition etc.

>>96500294
I mean, Egypt IS their territory and the one place I'd expect Setites to be a major pest. You can't really divorce Mummies from them either, much less with the shitshow surrounding the Nagaraja and Ghost Enoch. I'm more irked by the fact that AFAIK there is no one clan that has a particular bone to pick with Woofs above the others and it's Setites alone who manage it.

>>96503646
>changeling society is based on homosexual rape
Grim.

>A virtual adept has magicked you onto the Digital Web
>you end up on /d/
wat do?

>>96503808
Leave because I have better places to be on the internet.

>>96503808
Do I become a hot futa?

Honestly, Set and Setites are some of my favorite parts of the setting.

Set actually did things. Is part of the world unlike most other Antes. Like, outside of Transylvania Chronicles, what did Abby do since the First City? By all intents and purposes, he just sat in Antartics or at the depths of the ocean, brooding outside of creating some monsters.

Set before he got killed by Jesus fucked over Silent Striders, fucked over Werecats, fucked over Werelizards, fucked up Mummies and Osiris.

>>96503837
No, you get lost in one of thoses weird tf threads and realise too late there is worse fates than becoming a Tzim plaything.

>>96503870
Time to an hero, I suppose.

>>96503870
>worse fates than becoming a Tzim plaything.
Why yes, I do enjoy making dicktaurs, how could you tell?

>>96503860
Also, Hyborian snake cults are metal as fuck!

>>96503808
Was I digitized with my specialties intact? Because you maybe gave the Malkmind an Internet connection.

>>96504025
>/d/ gets infected with malk madness
>nothing changes

Curseborne is getting another Kickstarter for the Player's Guide next month apparently. They did one of those weird teaser videos for it. Given the game isn't out that's interesting timing.

>>96504634
This game feels really bloated and at the same time swallow.

Is it possible for a vampire to hold onto their Humanity not through selfless acts but through truly staggering amounts of self-loathing?

>>96497996
>their main thing is just shitting everywhere

>>96503434
The Chulorvian Elders sound pretty cool! I might add that to my pool of WoD ideas! There really is an almost infinite number of things for me to draw, I feel bad that I can only devote time to so few of them at a time.
>especially with their bland ass W5
Boring art is a far worse failure to me than bad art.
>>96502073
Actually, I'm working for the Stop Sign.

>>96505312
This is just an animal thing in general

>>96505096
I think it's managing a decent balance personally, it's not doing things like WoD and there is certainly more stuff I want to know about, but for a baseline street level game I think all the options are fairly distinct and the big groups are well explained. Although, granted, the revisions have helped a good bit there.

>>96505312
Based /an/ poster.

>>96504634
It's in proofing so it shouldn't be too long now

What's the best way to do a JRPG-like thing but not go full Exalted? Is it just Mage but force the party into a Paradigm that's Wuxia-lite? I was thinking Sorcerer since it would focus more on them basically buffing and preparing spells ahead of time for fights and not run the same "It's True Magic I ain't gotta explain shit" deal with Mage, but that just feels like it would be far too limited and end up more like something akin to Witcher where you're just a guy+ instead of being definitely a step above. I'm just not sure how to, mmm, curate Mage the best.

>>96497327
Missing anything ideas for this?
Any groupings that I didn't think about?
Anything that doesn't make sense.

>>96503860
I like killing them.

>>96505473
Just play deviant with little or no scars or a MtAw Proximi. If you really want OwOd for whatever reason just play Demon Hunter X or Street Fighter.

>>96505575
Never actually even looked at Deviant.

>>96503860
They are weird, contrary of the other 4 extra clans they aren't half a rpg class mixed with an ethnic background.
Italian necromancers, Gypsy Illusionists, Arab assassins and Egyptian cultists (?).

>>96505473
I'm not even sure what you have in mind for your chronicle.
Also Mage is literally the game about explaining your magick. Both mechanically (what spheres you use and why) and in-universe (how your paradigm justifies every effect).

>>96505706
I’m not quite clever enough to create a Wuxia paradigm limited enough to ape something like chrono trigger without gutting the parts of Mage that make Mage fun I fear, which is why I hesitate. I definitely want to hit the high levels of Mage power, but, very slowly. And base game isn’t really conducive to that unless I put guardrails on everything which at that point why play something as open ended as tabletop

>>96505473
>>96505763
I don't think WoD is the system you really want for that.

>>96505781
It IS but more for the endgame. It’s hard to explain especially without spoiling what I want to do with this, and if any of my players lurk the thread it would really give away the ghost.

>>96505904

If you want end game stuff you'd be better off trying to your trinity or aberrant for the system that allows for powers to get absurd but is somewhat balanced for it. Although I use that term very loosely. Maybe even 2e scion

World of Darkness for all the discussions about power levels and which splat is the best doesn't actually do well following the traditional zero to hero progression. You're kinda in the position to quickly gain a lot of power or not.

>>96505473
Presuming that it needs to be WoD for whatever reason your main options would be...
>Kindred of the East
>Demon Hunter X
because obvious options are obvious.
>W20 + Beast Courts.
There are a lot of Gifts that cover individual Wuxia tropes.
>ExWoD
It is just neat and has a lot of generalist advice for X20 games, making a lot of the core engine jank less of an issue.

>>96506644
>because obvious options are obvious.

Yet you didn't mention the Akashayana Sangha...

The system for KotE is so bizarrely fixated on limiting the utility of Martial Arts* that it can't really qualify. Of those that show up in the WoD, only what the Shih practice, Kailindo, and Do really manage to get into anything more than the lowest power levels of the genre. To get higher, you'd need to relax a lot, use WoD: Combat, and adapt a lot of Street Fighter material.

* Actually, I know why in context, but it doesn't make it stop being intensely stupid. The fears about game balance and combat in the 90s were a hell of a drug.

Verbena bitches were made for Big Technocratic Correction

Tell me about Mokolé, why do they prowl the bayou?

Chronicles of Fagness

>>96504634
The original kickstarter didn't include a player-facing book? I'm having a hard time understanding this. I've seen the early manuscript that has been floating around but nothing from the past year. If there wasn't some sort of player book, then what was that first kickstarter even for?

Is The Relentless Age any good?

>>96506693
>Akashayana Sangha.
I don't know or care for the Akashics.
>>96507624
From what I read before my files went to shit, it looked perfectly playable.

>>96507372
The mechanics and splats, the player book is more options.
It is similar to Chronicles of Darkness model.

>>96507673
Can I use it to play as Jiangshi or Krasue?

>>96507624
It's playable, but it's also kind of shit. The souls states, chi arts and demon arts systems are unnecessarily complex, especially for a book that's goal was to tone down the complexity of the original KotE.
It also nerfs everything across the board in a way that makes it fit better with WoD5 than a 20th edition supplement. Just like wraith 20 or sorcerer 20, playing this in a mixed game is a great way to get curb-stomped by neonate vampires.

How much would you weaken a recently awakened methuselah? -1/2 dots to all attributes and disciplines?
Urshulgi seems less affected, how much weaker were Helena and Mictlan?
Also how long should it take for the methuselah to recover their original values?

>>96508249
Me personally? I wouldn't. Just give them a worryingly low blood pool and perhaps reduced willpower. Nobody else "weakens" after a long torpor to my knowledge, it just feels to me like an excuse for wank "oh-ho-ho, look how powerful I am even though I have only just awoken! Better gank me now before I become even more strong and big!"

If you really want to I'd say -2 to their stuff and reduce penalties by one every week or lunar month depending on what timescale you have planned. Maybe let them spend willpower to have full stats for a scene.

>>96507624
It's okay, but it goes on another case of "let's fix all 'racist' things in the setting and it's now a diluted version of what it was before". It's not a W5 disaster, but play the original KotE.
20th edition is just a collector's special edition with some system fixes. You can use the previous editions without an issue.

>>96508323
This is the good shit. They're weakened by not having their full massive resource pools and not understanding new accents or math.

>>96505473
In the Realm of Gods and Dreams would fit, either as Little Gods or god-blooded mortals if you don't want to be a yokai. The magic system involves basically pumping more energy to build greater effects, so there's a cultivation aspect to it too.

>>96507624
It's been a while since I last read it, but I feel like it's a decent 1st edition of something. Certainly things to iterate on, but generally a decent direction I feel.

My one gripe with it is that in an interview the author said something along the lines of "never use sources made by people foreign to a culture because they'll always misunderstand it", which is rich coming from someone who's claim to legitimacy is partly them being a 4th and 5th generation Japanese and Chinese immigrant (See: an American)

>>96508604
Do you still have the link for this interview?
>"never use sources made by people foreign to a culture because they'll always misunderstand it"
I always find this funny because one of the best TTRPGs based on my country were made by foreigners who loved my culture and researched a lot and consulting with people from my country who studied our own culture. Just because you were born into a culture, does not mean you know and understand everything about it. If someone paid me to do a TTRPG based in my country, I would have to study just as much as the foreigners who created those games. The only advantage I have is communication and how to cross a street during red light.
>someone who's claim to legitimacy is partly them being a 4th and 5th generation Japanese and Chinese immigrant (See: an American)
Ah, yeah. It's always one of those diasporic motherfuckers who think they're just as asian as those who were born and raised in the country. I always laugh at them when they discover they're mistreated when going to those countries.
Like some africans say to afroamericans: "Your ancestors were weak, that's why they left, while mine were strong and decided to stay".

Don't visit hell, magebros!

>>96507372
The original kickstarter was for the core rule book, this one is for a Players Guide supplement. So it's a player-facing book with more abilities, merits, splat options, lore, and stuff of that nature. WoD has had version of these in every edition and they're common in RPGs in general.
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Players_Guide

>>96508768
>Do you still have the link for this interview?
I do, but I'm not going to post it because I feel like that'll just invite dunking for the sake of dunking. I don't trust this general to be civil about something like that
>The only advantage I have is communication and how to cross a street during red light.
Pretty much. It really rubbed me the wrong way because I have a degree in asian studies, and that kind of stance would imply that all the work that I, my peers, my professors, and every other academic interested in a culture other than their own has done is worthless, and I just can't accept that.

>>96508231
>>96508467

It's so hard to get a chance to play KotE but I thought the Kuei-Jin were actually kinda weak? The meme of the Kuei-Jin in Bloodlines is not how they actually play out in vampire. Canyone who actually played Kuei Jin correct me or not? They have cool shit but they'll still get wrecked by werewolves, demons, and others the same way.

>>96508022
Nah, Kuei Jin only. The best thing for that is the Requiem Blood Sucking Kin and Horrors.

>>96503860
>fucked over Silent Striders, fucked over Werecats, fucked over Werelizards, fucked up Mummies and Osiris.
And also fucked over The Baali with his frens Samiel and Ur Shulgi.

FUCK the Nagaraja btw.

>>96510418
>FUCK the Nagaraja btw.
Go ahead, but don't let any of them give you a blowjob.

>>96510724
Double dongs.

>>96511114
This is a Setttite thing.

>>96510116
>I thought the Kuei-Jin were actually kinda weak?
They're weird.
All keui jin innately have access to extra actions and aggrivated damage, so you can make combat monsters with them very easily.
The problem is that ALL their power are current dot x8 in XP and they can't blood-buff(chi-buff?) without Disciplines.
>TD;DR: easy to make Temu brujah combat twinks, harder to make Temu tremere hogwarts instructors.

Anyone familiar with burgerkrieg? I got recommended this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8p7lWV60Ic and I need some new long loredumps to kill time with. Is his stuff more or less accurate?

>>96511405
He’s a lore nerd by virtue of actually reading all the books yea

I listened to this at work and it was good stuff. He actually makes V5 sound interesting but that’s because he’s condensing everything actually interesting into his half hour bloc and interpreting it in the best way possible that actually leaves it vague enough for you to work with.

>>96511405

I'd just suggest you just watch videos about stuff you're knowledgeable to figure out if his accurate or not. For the most part he just seems to get an overview of the splat without going into great depth about what makes them work. It's good enough if you don't plan to actual read the books. Nothing i've seen him mention i'd called to be grossly inaccurate. Just keep his bias in mind when listening to him.

>>96511405
I don't know but he is clickbaiting so probably less accurate.
(He is either going with the theory Ravnos (probably not since they themselves put Ravnos turning into a vampire by the Gods after Caine.) the first vampire, Set the first vampire (see image) or perhaps Lilith the First vampire.

Though we all know Set nor Ravnos is the first vampire while Lilith actually is a Mary Sue.)

>>96510418
What did they even do besides find a relic midden heap and insist it had to be some Jerusalem of Death? And found a secret slaver empire to feed them enough tribute to survive in there, jerking eachother off about being safe? They were smug is what, fuck em.

>>96511954
>Lilith the First vampire.
I hate that.

>>96511954
He lists all of those theories and more without stating any singular one is correct, noting that the actual history of Vampire dates to prehistory and as such nothing can be taken as fact. Except that something happened.

>>96512196
But players and storytellers almost universally adhere to Noddist doctrine to the point where "who knows what the truth is" is irrelevant. Trying to be novel about the origins of vampires in VtM is more than likely to make people angry, more than anything else.

Are there any good sources of fanmade Disciplines for thin blood inceptor inspiration?

>>96511812
>>96511830
I know very little about WoD, hence why I came to you guys. I don't really plan on reading the books, there's a fuckton of them and my spare time is mostly on the bus and shit like that where reading is hard, I just like listening to this kind of stuff.

>>96511954
Fair enough, thanks.

>>96511134
No, the settites are far too weak sauce for that.

>>96512270
Those people are faggots and it's 3 hours of discussion about WoD lore, no white person should be upset by this

>>96512270
>But players and storytellers almost universally adhere to Noddist doctrine

Blame the late revised metaplot. Also, idk about anyone else's table but I go full schizo with it. I keep a good deal of Noddism but push the timeline back like a motherfucker and go with a more "the biblical cain story is based on a game of telephone about what actually happened at the dawn of mankind." interpretation of the "first" vampire. First Kindred would be more accurate. I've only ever shown "glimpses" of the pre-flood world and Noddism is more a kernel of truth than the full truth.

Setite and Ravnos cosmology is full of shit though.

>>96512663
>Setite and Ravnos cosmology is full of shit though.
Based.
Only a retard would believe their shit.

>>96512434
They get it thanks for their signature discipline, allowing them to have snakes' double dongs

>>96508768
>decided to stay
I hate African blacks so fucking much. Maybe they need Scarmble for Africa 2, if they are going to act like slavery wasn't their fault.

>>96508604
>>96509288
Is this the interview you were talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlIqoLhWajY

>>96512875
The actual powerful nations of Africa bragged about slavery and their slave-based economies is the funny part. It's a large continent, and the more centralized kingdoms looked down on the tribals like they were subhuman, taking pride in basing their economy off of victory in battle and the capture of enemy peoples as slaves. When the trans-atlantic slave trade was getting shut down the King of Benin went so far as to claim to the British that the slave trade was a core part of his people's identity, and that mothers sung their babies to sleep with songs of enemies defeated and reduced to enslavement.

As an aside, it's very silly to me that Kindred of the Ebony Kingdom made the choice of having no Ventrue in Africa pre-colonization. I feel like the Ventrue fit the African kingdoms quite well.

>>96512875
I already knew what Ghana was, I can't have contempt for them like for American blacks vacationing in Ghana to see the motherland.

how legally distinct would I have to make my fanfiction of me and my garou boyfriend in order to publish it

>>96513049
See underworld legal case.

>>96507372
>>96509255
We know a good chunk of what'll be in there.
>At least one new Family per Lineage.
>Names of some of those are Eurydice, Prendergast, Napoleon, the Nest(?), and Penfold (who are mole primals)
>Orphans - Accursed without a Family.
>Venator (hunter) "Lineage"
>Pre-Accursed Mortal rules
>New Edges
>New Spells
>New Rituals
>More info on Family structures and gatherings
>More Torments and more discussion about them
>More general lore

>>96513076
They waited until just before the movie released and took the first offer to settle. White Wolf was diving in front of a car and I don't think they'd have bothered if it wasn't a big entity like Sony Pictures.

Give me Supernatural Haptor ideas

Can anyone name a single group more inept than the Sabbat Inquisition? They're supposed to root out heresy among the Sabbat, but the Sabbat has far more infernalists and lilith worshippers than anyone else. Hell, they failed to notice that the Sabbat's own regent was a thrall of the BAALI METHUSELAH SLEEPING UNDERNEATH THE SABBAT'S OWN CAPITAL!

>drugs, money and bitches are said to be incomparable to blood
so what the fuck does a young hip vampire have to look forward to in these nights

>>96513408
What's your clan?

>>96513270
>Can anyone name a single group more inept than the Sabbat Inquisition?
The Garou.

>>96513408
>so what the fuck does a young hip vampire have to look forward to in these nights
My big fat fucking cock.

>>96513485
I'm a first time player in a veteran group, I was thinking just a basic Brujah

>>96513408
But anon, drugs, money and bitches are all pathways to blood. Drugs and money are cheaper alternatives to blood for bitches. It's all connected.

>>96513408
Uh, you can still do all that stuff AND have the blood too, bro.

How many Rasputins did the oWoD have? I started working on a CtL chronicle in 1991/92 Moscow (currently called "Winds of Changeling") and was wondering if I should include one that hid his heart in a Faberge Egg (Koshchei style).
There were at least one Malkavion, Nosferatu and Setite, as well as a Puppetteer claiming to be responsible for the previous ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r__Dk4oWGJQ
If this can't be in your game, you're playing garbage.

>>96513865
I think it was a running gag in oWoD that every gameline claimed Rasputin was one of them (though they all end that statement with a soft ...maybe?), or at least that's how I've treated it over the years.
Sadly, that wasn't the case for Hunter and Demon because those gamelines just had to be stuck in the revised-era metaplot dip.

>>96513939
Hunter's probably the last oWoD splat I would ascribe to Rasputin, admittedly, though it's a shame about Demon.

>>96513958
Hunter would be the ultimate cope interpretation of Rasputin where he was an actual honest to god healer protecting the Czar and his family while being smeared by the vampire-owned media.

Is V5 a good edition mechanically? Do the simplified mechanics work well for combat orientated campaigns or should I seek a different system? Would Hunter 5 or Werewolf 5 better suit my purposes?

I ask because I always hear people complaining about the V5 lore but never talking about the mechanics.

>>96514430
The resource management of blood points is exchanged for the risk management of the hunger system, which dramatically transforms how people psychologically view the game. It's a very bad game for risk averse people, as they feel encouraged to never use any vampire abilities that would cause them to a roll a hunger check.
The truth of the matter is that all forms of the Storyteller system, whether classic World of Darkness or Fifth Edition or Chronicles of Darkness or Curseborne, are all bad for combat-focused campaigns. These are systems designed for narrative-focused theatre-of-the-mind stuff.

>>96514430
That's because V5 mechanics are simplified, the most complex part, Combat, encouraged to be skipped after 3 to 5 turns, and there is a heavy push towards as little dice as possible.
This is also why the Discipline system got butchered.

>>96514661

This is the one thing I don't understand. Maybe it's just theater kids or maybe something not as obvious but I feel like at a certain point it's like they hate trying to make or balance combat. A lot of new tabletop rpgs seem like they followed a similar pattern for years. I think that has started to die down a little bit.

>>96514430
>Is V5 a good edition mechanically?
In terms of combat? It's about the same as v20 give or take some house rules.
>>96514684
I would argue that type of stuff is just more of what the Storyteller system was trying to achieve. They wanted the table to feel more in control over their story allowing some certainty with mechanics like Willpower and the removal of tables to generate random stuff.

>>96509255
I'm familiar with the model, but giving it a name like "Player Guide" made me think it was more like a Player Handbook scenario where all the player-facing rules would be separated from the GM side.

>>96513963
That would be really funny.

>>96513189
A mage that's stuck reincarnating as hamster until he repays his karmic debt by dying in the most insane ways possible.

>>96514639
I could see this being an issue at my table. My group tends to be pretty cautious. Why did they change Blood Pools? Seems like a pretty straightforward system and not something that creates alot of crunch or otherwise slows down play.

>>96514661
Yeah I was just reading the Combat Rules and noticed that. Advising players to just skip combat has me questioning why even have any dice or combat mechanics.

>>96514684
I definitely get the feeling the V5 writers really hate any sort of mechanicaly depth or complexity with how much the Corebook beats you over the head reminding you that you don't need to roll for every minor interaction.

>>96511954
>Ravnos [...] the first vampire
First I've heard, what's the deal?

>>96514937
He hallucinated so hard he became a vampire.

>>96514975
I'm gonna need more details

>>96514920
>Why did they change Blood Pools?
my guess would be because a vampire can't manage away the beast, it's always a threat looming on the horizon that a vampire needs to learn to accept

>>96514989
You know how Chimerstry has a combo power that makes the illusions real? If you fuck up your sense of time hard enough and hallucinate about the past you can affect it by creating shit in it.
That's how Ravnos created Caine by getting high on enchanted mushrooms?

>>96514937
some gods really don't like the kuei jin because they considered them to be arrogant failures so they made ravnos, ennoia and the crone* to wipe them off the face of the earth

*acording to ravnos lore the lhiannan are not a bloodline but a clan and the first of the 3 clans that where made to fight the kuei jin that broke away from their holy war which then caused the gangrel to also break off because they concluded the war was lost without them and that then caused some ravnos to break away as well. Which is why both clans consider the bloodline to be kill on sight

>>96515040
The reasoning behind the change is how the blood pool more often than not acted like buffer between the vampire and the hunger.

>>96514920
>Why did they change Blood Pools?
"Mana pool" systems are generally considered boring and passée. The argument was that using a variation of "mana points" to represent the blood that your character has drained from living, breathing people made it too easy for players to detach themselves and not realise the severity of their characters' actions. By using the hunger system and hunger checks, players need to weigh the risk of using their powers as every use of a supernatural ability incurs the risk of getting hungrier and having to roll more hunger dice, instead of just spending a set amount of blood points from your blood pool. Combine this with the fact that the only way to reduce your hunger to zero and reset yourself to a zero-risk state is to drink someone dry and kill them, and players never quite know when they'll need to feed again, if it's safe to use this discipline, when they'll fuck up and roll a bestial failure on their hunger dice. Instead of the banal accountancy of managing blood points and blood pool, players have to make difficult decision far more often.

The downsides of this is that this encourages risk-averse optimisers to not use supernatural abilities and make hunger checks at all, since they don't want to incur more hunger dice which gives them a higher chance of a bestial failure, and that it takes away character agency and leaves it in the hands of fate, tying your decisions to the whims of the dice. Oops, you failed three hunger checks in a row, you went from a safe one hunger die to a dangerous four hunger dice, now your character urgently has to feed in order to avoid fucking everything up for everyone with bestial failures - and it's all because you rolled poorly.

>>96515094
In Masquerade specialty there is a greater disconnect between the harm they cause and the cost of their powers because blood points are also tracked separately from health levels.

>>96515094
Sounds like the V5 writers had issue with a problem, they tried to "fix" it and created a bigger problem in the end. A big appeal of VTM to me is the clans and their unique powers. You get lots of different flavours of Vampire power fantasy and not letting players indulge in that seems like a bit of a failure imo.

>>96515245
nta
V5 generally speaking seeks to address long standing issues with vtm and WoD, in general failing at it for 2 main reasons
1) they got writers who put their interpretation of the game above all else, this isn't unique to V5 but it is a bigger issue in it due to them being allowed to make bigger changes to the setting
2) they put no effort into follow up issues (if i fix this issue do i create a new issue?)
hunger dice suffer from both because it's balanced around tables rolling maybe once or twice a session with no rules or advice for tables that like to roll dice more because "it's not the correct way to play VTM"

The anons above are wrong for one very simple reason: the disconnect is fully intentional. It encourages the vampire (and in turn the player) to view mortal people as a resource to manage and consume rather than people. Picture a situation where you get into a really tough fight with a pack of Sabbat shovelheads and end up winning but you're hevily wounded, your blood pool is nearly depleted and it's only a couple hours until sun-up. You know it's only safe to take a small sip from a mortal (a couple blood points in game terms) or their health will be in danger. You could try to drink a little from the mortals you feed on to stay on the safe side, but hunting takes time you might not have. You know the consequences in the short and long term for draining a mortal dry, but your hunger is crowding your thoughts and it's so easy to believe you could drain a couple hobos dry and hide the bodies. Your beast is gnawing at you to get a move on and feed, because otherwise you can kiss your undead ass goodbye, and it's hard to think but you gotta make a choice fast. What will you do?

>>96515340
>What will you do?
Just roll good and suffer no consequences for my actions.

>>96515245
>You get lots of different flavours of Vampire power fantasy and not letting players indulge in that seems like a bit of a failure imo.
Players do get to indulge in them, as long as they're not afraid of taking risks by making hunger checks in order to use those powers.
>>96515340
That's something that V5 does away with because it very much wants to focus on the street level, intimate side of things, where every hunt is meaningful and every human that feed from matters. Seeing humans as resources might be an intentional design choice with blood pools, but each hunt being personal and human lives being far more meaningful is also an intentional design choice with hunger dice.

>>96515370
OK, I'm gonna rape you now.

>>96513963
That's just irl.

>>96515094
>VtM makes the player detach themselves from the killing and view human NPCs as walking mana pools, just like a vampire would
Bravo.

>>96515425
Not if I rape you first!

>>96515498
Don't struggle, it's the only way.

>>96514430
The Hunger system supports the ludonarrative congruence v5 is trying to go for. The focus is the player characters' personal brand of horror. If you fail too many hunger checks you may end up fucking over someone your character might care about. Even when you maintain your hunger levels, messy criticals remind you of the beast and that you have to hold on to your humanity.

In v20 gameplay players would just metagame blood pool away via blood bags, or conveniently located/placed blood dolls, or straight up treating NPCs as walking juice boxes for your mana points and took the humanity/horror away from the act

>>96513270
>Can anyone name a single group more inept than the Sabbat Inquisition?
Jannies.

>>96514430
It does exactly what it's trying to do, but a lot of people don't like what it's trying to do. Such as me.

>>96515340
Behold the correct answer! The "muh risk management" retards are arguing against bad players and a spineless ST. In order to remove issues caused by bad play, they create a system in which only one type of play is directly supported. And that is just bad game design.

>>96515514
>In v20 gameplay players would just metagame blood pool away via blood bags, or conveniently located/placed blood dolls, or straight up treating NPCs as walking juice boxes for your mana points and took the humanity/horror away from the act
They do the same in V5, no matter if Hunger is random or not. When players reach Hunger 3, they are already desperate and do what you what you say V20 players do.
I've been STing V5 for more than 5yrs and rarely someone goes full dramatic RP about this.
At same time, I saw V20 players doing dramatic RP when their blood pool are low and etc.
At the end of the night, it always about filtering players to fit in the theme&mood of the game you wanna play. There are bad players everywhere.

>>96515707
>At the end of the night, it always about filtering players to fit in the theme&mood of the game you wanna play. There are bad players everywhere.

This. How is this still even a debate at this point? You can't game design your way out of shitty players, and good players can make even a piece of trash barely functional game at least moderately enjoyable.

>>96515514
I played a few V5 games. Outside of one, all of them used Humans as blood bags, in fact, we jokingly call it the mandatory feeding sessions after combat scenes.

The only one that wasn't, we were trying to see what was cool with the whole Thinblood angle.
Results were: Not much.

>>96501567 (OP)
Hey guys I am planning on playing a Malkavian Private detective who is a perfectionist to a crippling degree almost like OCD. He's a desert storm veteran (the game is set in 2001) Does anyone have any character art for this idea?

>>96515986
>Malkavian Private detective
Why is this such a common gimmick?

>>96516023
>Malks are all crazy
>crazy people tend to hear voices
>hearing voices = perfect excuse to have your own noir-style narrator

>>96516023
No idea. If I had to guess, it's a calm, collected way to play into the Malkavian's uncanny insight. "I had a hunch".

Let's make a list of "baby's first subversion" of the Clans
>Malkavian PI
>Tzimisce Plastic Surgeon

>>96516023
Is it? I just wanted to play a Skill monkey for my terribly paranoid sire and dig up dirt on other Elders in the city. A PI seemed like a good explanation why he would have the skills. Also Auspex and Obfuscate are busted strong.
My DM and other players thought it was cool

>>96516043
>>96516051

I wasnt gonna roleplay skitso Malk. But obsessed perfectionist Malk. I literally wasnt thinking at all about hearing voices or the Madness Network when creating the character/

>>96515986
>desert storm veteran
Damn, you, too? I wanted it for the Gulf War Syndrome and reversed Vietnam bitterness about extracting a meaningless surrender and leaving too early.

>>96516070
Desert Storm MP actually. To help with his investigative Background. I was also flirting with the idea that he was part of the UN Peacekeeping mission in Kosovo. My herd I feed from is my Veteran Group Therapy.

>>96516023
Because Obfuscate + Auspex + Dementation work insanely well for a detective/spy kind of characte

>>96516091
This was my main reason why. Also an excuse for my sire to be chronically paranoid to fuel the DM to create fun spy and political espionage stories.

>>96515986
>>96516065
Make his Malk curse intensify his sharp perception and keen eye for detail into going overboard, flooding his mind with endless minutiae he picks up from his environment and while it's an asset for a detail-oriented profession like a PI it also makes it a challenge to focus on the *right* details that would help him solve the case du jeur. Since Auspex and Dementation are in-Clan Disciplines they might even activate on their own and subject him to even worse information overload.

>>96516106
I might steal aspects of this honestly. I like it.

The preparations for my MtAw1e are going well. Players are engaging and interesting in building up sanctum and their cabal's theme. Setting is London from Shadows of UK, mixed with personal stuff. Concepts are quite interesting as well:

>mastigos gamer girl addicted to WoW. Plays as a Warlock and wants to control demons and such, cosplaying in real life her favourite class in the game. Player wants to be a Fang of Mara legacy
>mastigos brazilian samurai man. Was raised by a Banisher and almost became one. Brotherhood of Demon Wind legacy mage who's looking for dragon lore
>moros scottish girl who received big money from deceased auntie who loved her. She also received an old pub with a recording label studio in London (both are closed nowadays). Awakened at the time she signed the papers to receive her inheritance. She talks and play music with the ghosts of failed musicians who are anchored to the pub
>acanthus boy who had his awakened forced by an Awakening Gambit legacy mage. Later discovers his grandfather is a mage and planned together his awakening with this mage. Later made a deal with a Fae and became blind. Now has a fae pet (literaly reddish fae-dog called "Clifford") as his guiding dog
>french proximus man whose lineage can be traced to one of arturians knights. Moved to London where the whole lineage is and now deals with this whole mage society bullshit

>>96515523
Don't knock it, kink shaming only incentivizes them

>>96516233
>french
Why?

Need inspiration to play a Malkavian detective? Say no more!

>>96516233
Why did you go with 1e? Not criticising, only asking out of idle curiousity.

>>96516375
Because he likes, I guess. I also habe a whole scenario wrote about France and it's a good opportunity for me to use!

>>96516442
Personal preference. Only 2e game I enjoy is WtF.

>>96516420
You are helpless before my power.

Do you ever find most people who respond to your recruitment flyers/posts are kind of..... y'know....

>>96517272
Tell us more about it.

>>96517272
Yes please, tell us. I will shamelessly admit to loving RPG horror stories because they make me feel better about my group and roleplaying.

>>96517272
Usually, there are 3 types of people who primarely respond to those posts.

A) Newbies. Complete and utter newbies to WoD and perhaps even TTRPG. These are the most innocent but also the most annoying, in my opinion. Key word, annoying. But they have the most potential to actually become decent players and perhaps, a ST in the far future.
B) Fuckwards who got chased from groups. They have nowhere else to go and they are looking to fuck up a new group. They are the most dangerous, because it can disturb your plans and if hidden well, the whole game. These are the guys who want every session to focus on them, everyone else is secondary. Some of them also have a tendency to sexually harass girls if they are in the group.
C) Older adults who have limited schedules these days and your game fits perfectly. It happened to me thrice, which is a pattern. They are great.

>>96517272
Rapable? Yes!

>>96515707
>>96515749


I think i've played an alright about of vampire games, but this is the one aspect about vampire I don't know if people experience the same.

I don't see people roleplay their hunger for blood and generally treats it like a resource point because personal horror rarely fits well with the chronicle. I think this might be because the storytellers are normally interested in promoting their plot or the politics of the vampires in x area. Maybe cross splat drama, but I cannot remember the last game where it focus on how vampires get food, how they feel about drinking from others, or people they care about being in danger. I guess maybe it's different in the youtube tabletop games like by night youtube channels. Did I just have a shitty vampire experience? Am I a bad player or had bad storytellers? Maybe both?

>>96518537
That's normal, or even expected. Players feeding is fun to act and focus on the first few times.
Afterwards it is just a chore. Whatever it's Blood Pool or Hunger, at one point, either the player or the ST or both just goes "Yep, you fed."

>>96518537
This is a matter of definitions. If someone tells me they have never seen another player roleplay out being hungry when low on blood, even something as simple as "Fuck, I'm hungry. Where's a late night jogger when you need one...", it sounds to me like they're living on another planet.

At the same time, a game that "focuses" on how a vampire gets their blood would be insanely boring, since it'd be a game entirely about subsistence and would very much feel samey, especially once you figured out a good system. Feeding, unless under stressful or otherwise extenuating circumstances, doesn't merit being focused on. It's the old "who puts new tires on the batmobile?" thing. Feeding isn't the focus because honestly, if vampires really struggled to feed themselves on the night to night, they wouldn't have grand conspiracies and Elders would be incredibly rare. The Masquerade itself becomes far less plausible. It just doesn't make for a very entertaining story and it's a storytelling game.

Still, whenever I make a player character, I go out of my way to figure out how they prefer to hunt for blood, as well as the other practical realities of their unlives. But that's because I like to flesh out my characters. Not because I expect the ST to indulge me with a unique encounter every time I roll a hunt. That's just a waste of everyone's time.

Whether or not you had a shitty experience depends entirely on if you had fun or not. Whether or not your ST is good or not depends on how much fun was had because of their choices vs. in spite of them. I can't say if you're a bad player or not because you didn't say anything about what you did in play.

>>96513602
Just do what every brujah does.

I've come across some playthroughs of Changeling: the Lost on Mastodon. Does anyone have some for Mummy (any version)?

>>96519009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkWjwr76LKY

https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Mummy:_The_Curse_Actual_Plays

pure vibes, but anyone else feel like there's more WoD fandom shit popping up?

>>96519303
Do you mean online?
I think we see a v5 newfag coming here every once in a while.

>>96519322
I'm seeing steadily increasing amounts of WoD fiction popping up online. Wondering if that was just me.

>>96519303
It's probably a mix of the following
>Paradox trying to build hype for BL2
>Hunter: the Parenting introducing a bunch of newfags to the setting and other people trying to take advantage
>You're just looking for it more now

I can't say I've really seen a noticeable uptick.

>>96519303
Bloodlines 2 being near release is probably propping stuff up in the algorithms and generally just bringing some extra buzz.

>>96519245
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Mummy:_The_Curse_Actual_Plays
Oh, wow. I never thought that there'd actually be a curated list.
Thanks a bunch! I'll bookmark it.

Wheres a good place to find games? I was intending to join a game and made a character and everything. But the ST told me at the last minute I can't play because too many people were interested so now I am shit outta luck.I want to join a new game but idk where to find them.

>>96519480
start one with all the other people that were interested

>>96519548
I have never DMed before and honestly dont have the patience for it.

>>96519678
what, you don't like arbitrating things like "does V20 even allow multiple action attacks" or "everybody must declare their use of celerity before the initiative roll and not after so you can not do it if your opponent full defend"?

I get you

>>96519727
I greatly respect p;eople that DM in any system. Total Heros. I just wanna have main character syndrome and react to the world around me. The world Building and handling everyones ego is what I dont have the patience for.

What would be a good CofD gameline for mid 19th century South America? That continent really got shafted with DA. Australia didn't get one, either, but there was one for NZ.

>>96520581
Vampire, Werewolf, or Hunter. I'm not an expert on south american history, but the impression I have always gotten is politics, violence, and the new world mingling with the old in interesting and often weird to outsiders ways.

Vampire lets you engage in undead intrigue in a time and place fraught with political turmoil. Werewolf can do a lot with laying claim to the wild places of the continent and encountering strange spirits. Hunter can be all about fighting monsters of both the new and old worlds.

I have a question about sorcerer revised and sorcerer 20th. Can someone explain to me a bit more plainly how the aspects work? This is how I understand it

In Sorcerer 20th in order to cast a spell you must not only score one success by default but you must also score a success for each aspect you use. In another way it's all the aspects you use + 1. So for example lets say I am attacked by vampire name Phyre. In order for me to hit him with a basic firebolt I need to determine the Damage Apsect (Level 2), the Range (Level 2), the Area (Level 1). I have to declare I want to use those aspects to each of those levels. Roll at a difficulty of highest path rating use (2) + 4. So in order for me to cast the spell I need to get 6 successes on a difficulty 6 roll. If I fail the spell doesn't happen as well as the fact I lose the willpower. After all is said and done even if I succeed I still need to hit the npc and worry about their defense. Did I misunderstand anything?

I know you're in here Agent Hoover...

>>96520703
Who's that?

HtV Slasher game is going well. Last night the PCs received a bundle of pamphlets and leaflets for local businesses, and one also had a knuckle duster posted through their letterbox. Four of the leaflets were on the same street while others were for a fostercare, a dump, the cemetary and the animal pound. The players weren't clear on the meaning of half of them but went to investigate the adjoining buildings where they found a Slasher hiding in the alleyway. The Bouncer, suffers from a traumatic brain injury that has him in a constant state of fight or flight.

As they tried to talk him down, the Bouncer ranted about "lights" and refused to get into the back of their car. He was surrounded by silver cutlery and the bulbs of purple plants, his pupils dilated and contracted sharply throughout the conversation before he snapped and nearly killed two of the PCs with a broken bottle. He eventually escaped and the PCs had to wonder who sent them there and why.

In reality, it's a Puppeteer who has realised that the PCs are Hunters and not just people coincidentally near a lot of gruesome crime scenes. He's working to recruit and control the Slasher population in the city, and use his bizarre (but strangely accurate) mathematical equation that can predict which people will serve as a vector for supernatural contagion. The Slashers are then MKUltra hypnotised into murdering these specific people. The Bouncer is so compromised mentally however, that he's tripped and pulled the curtain down and hinted to the PCs that there is someone at work behind the scenes. He sent the PCs there to tidy up his mess.

>>96520703
You're looking for the CoC general

>>96515332
Ahh makes sense. Baking in core mechanics to force players to roleplay in specific manner is always kinda obtuse. Minmaxers will always find ways to break games.

>>96515405
>Players do get to indulge in them, as long as they're not afraid of taking risks by making hunger checks in order to use those powers.

I dunno my group are very risk averse. I can see my players having one look at the Hunger Dice rules and basically never using anything except for the at will "free" disciplines. Sounds like you need a very specific mindset to understand and appreciate the Hunger Dice which really limits how many people will enjoy your game.

>>96519777
>>96519727
I just want my character to be completely bullshit. Am I unreasonable?

>>96520895
Sounds like a good time? Is there a greater conspiracy behind it all or is this only a case of government incompetence? I'm totally not a player that's fishing for metagame knowledge, not at all.

What would be the best way to access White Howler gifts as a Fianna?

>>96521274
Finding the spirits who might have access to those Gifts. The hard part is convincing them to teach you even if you aren't a White Howler.

>>96521203
No greater conspiracy, just one guy doing it for the best reasons.

Does anyone know which books have a list of Titles for each Covenant in VtR, does such a thing even exist?

>>96521824
Their respective books focusing on each Convenant.
Invictus for Invictus titles...
Circle of Crone for Circle of Crone titles...
And so on. They are 1e books.

>>96521852
Thank you, I was only looking through 2e books thinking maybe they made listings explicitly for Second Edition. I suppose I’ll have to crack open 1e.

>>96521867
nWoD2e is just nWoD1.5 in the end. Many things from previous edition are still usable.

I had an idea for a Hunter The Reckoning campaign based on a Bloodborne crossover. The imbued are receiving their powers from the Good Hunter, who became a Great One at the end of Bloodborne (which I guess would be an Incarna in WoD terms but some are as powerful as Celestines.)

Not sure what Bloodborne elements would work in WoD though. One I definitely like is imbued Hunters instinctively knowing how to create empowered trick weapons from seemingly ordinary materials.

>>96521824
There's no substantial lore changes between 1e and 2e, it's mainly focuses and reflavourings so all the titles etc are still the same across things like the Invictus and Ordo Dracul.

>>96515405
>That's something that V5 does away with because it very much wants to focus on the street level, intimate side of things, where every hunt is meaningful and every human that feed from matters. Seeing humans as resources might be an intentional design choice with blood pools, but each hunt being personal and human lives being far more meaningful is also an intentional design choice with hunger dice.
Not even the pre-made adventures are designed that way, anon. If so, one or two.

>>96521998
It's very common for pre-made adventures and modules to deviate from the intended design philosophy of a system, especially when the adventures are written by a completely different team, as is the case with fifth edition stuff. Paradox/White Wolf and Renegade are absolutely not on the same page.

Why are they like this?

>>96522025
I don't think anyone is on the same page when it comes to WoD5.

>>96522468
Based Sacred Rebis.

>>96522468
Solificati? because they are all high on lsd

>>96522591
They need some DMT

>>96522591
Yep. They've always been rather high on their own farts too. Makes perfect sense since Alchemy is about achieving perfection both physically and spiritually.

For nWoD/CofD. Would Architecture be covered (primarily) by Academics, Crafts, or Science? Or is it so much of a mix of those three that it wouldn't be a valid specialty?

>>96522677
I'd go with Crafts.

>>96522677
Crafts given the more practical aspects of it.

>>96522677
>architect (installer)
Crafts

>architect (design)
Academics

>architecture (engineering)
Science

>>96522677
would make it an expert knowledge

>>96522904
Seems fair enough.

>>96522708
>>96522899
>>96522904
Thanks. I was agonizing over it because of how interdisciplinary architecture actually is. Speaking of, would you guys think it reasonable to buy Architecture as a specialty for any of those skills and then take interdisciplinary specialty for it to apply to the other two?

>>96523011
Is that a merit I'm unaware of? I'm asking about nWoD/CofD, not oWoD.

>>96523122
>I'm asking about nWoD/CofD, not oWoD.
yeah I know
still would use that system because I find it easier, just a suggestion

>>96522904
I dig it. Architects who are pure artists, and architects with enough practical understanding to not be cursed by contractors or whoever has to live in the thing.

>>96521910
Hunters feel like they would fit in WoD, if only for the two "humanity" stats. Beastly ignorance or eldritch insight?

Although I'd personally like the idea of tying it to Flora more than the Good Hunter, although that might just be some hesitance against PC character personalities

Although I'd note that making Hunters some kind of really weird ghouls could kind of work when you consider the way blood replaced all pleasures and vices in Yharnam and how ghouls can frenzy.

...Maybe tie the entire thing to the third Baali lineage? I don't know if there's any lore about them

>>96523195
The way I was thinking of it is that the Good Hunter is from an alternate dimension or something and as a Great One has become a very alien being. It retains its desire to eliminate "beasts" and to protect humans (at least on a grand scale) so it imbues Hunters as its chosen children. It isn't anything remotely human any more, just more friendly than such beings would typically be. Insight does work really well in WoD and with HtR specifically because of how they can pierce all glamours and illusions


>Although I'd note that making Hunters some kind of really weird ghouls could kind of work when you consider the way blood replaced all pleasures and vices in Yharnam and how ghouls can frenzy.

Also the whole reason Great Ones interact with humans in Bloodborne is so they can use them to reproduce...there is a lot going on there

>>96523122
You could just use Professional Training (Architecture) and tag 3 of them but that is the more boring option.

>>96523698
>Professional Training
I love this shit.

>>96523343
Like how Nodens is benevolent in as much as he appreciates Randolph Carter for good bait.

wtf

>>96524053
If you're playing a combat Tzim this is a must along with speedrunning Vicissitude 4.

>>96524053
Overpriced as fuark. You could buy that in Requiem for potatoes, relatively speaking.

>>96523766
Rote action is so bullshit it makes a lot of supernatural abilities pale in comparison.

>>96524137
You can delete most wound penalties with like 3 dots of merits.

jesus christ Changelings from the Lost are so weak, how on earth are you supposed to prevent every party from degenerating into everyone buying an MP-5 and full autoing every enemy in sight? I thought the whole point of playing supernaturals was getting to use supernatural abilities to fight, but there's literally no point. Hell, iron bullets are literally the most cost-effective, deadly way to take down a True Fae. This game fucking sucks, fuck this

>>96523698
Didn't consider that because pretty much every group I've played with bans Professional Training out of hand for being too powerful, easily accessible, and more than paying for itself.

Still, I'd like to thank everyone for their suggestions on the dilemma.

>>96524253
You'll need to explain how your changeling gets their hands on iron bullets, considering that working with iron is a good way for them to fuck themselves up and mortal society doesn't regularly produce bullets that can be considered iron and anyone who finds out that casually mass-producing iron weaponry on that scale will probably try to put a stop to it, since the mass production of iron bullets threatens everything fey, friend and foe alike.

Depending on who you ask Changelings (Lost) are either
>Weak as shit (and that sucks)
>Weak as shit (and that's a good thing)
>Overpowered as fuck (and that sucks)
>Overpowered as fuck (and that's a good thing)

No wonder people don't take whiteroomers seriously.

>>96524369
> considering that working with iron is a good way for them to fuck themselves up
Literally how? Iron is no particular threat to regular changelings other than bypassing Glamour-based defenses. It only causes aggravated damage to True Fae and only if it's hand wrought
>mortal society doesn't regularly produce bullets that can be considered iron
DIY loads are one of the unironically easiest things to make, and the tools are readily available on the market. Elemental iron is A) incredibly cheap to buy in bulk and B) not hard to shape with hand tools or a lathe because it is so soft, so hammering it into the shape of a bullet is not hard. It would actually be harder to produce good wrought iron blades, since it isn't well-suited for holding an edge without alloying it into steel.
>anyone who finds out that casually mass-producing iron weaponry on that scale will probably try to put a stop to it, since the mass production of iron bullets threatens everything fey, friend and foe alike.
"Hey Tom, I'm gonna make iron bullets for killing Gentry so they never crawl out of their stinking holes and kidnap people, or one of us, ever again." "Godspeed Hank, here, have $5,000 from the freehold's rainy day funds as a nest egg to get production underway."

>>96524427
>"Hey Tom, I'm gonna make iron bullets for killing Gentry so they never crawl out of their stinking holes and kidnap people, or one of us, ever again." "Godspeed Hank, here, have $5,000 from the freehold's rainy day funds as a nest egg to get production underway."
"Hey Steve, did you hear that Hank is making a bunch of iron bullets for killing Gentry? Pretty sweet, huh?" "Yeah, that's really cool, I'm totally not a secret Loyalist or Bridge Burner or just paranoid that they'll be used against me and I totally won't raid the stash of iron bullets to either destroy them or use them to kill you all."

>>96524391
The only way I could ever see them being overpowered is by liberally abusing the mechanics for making new Contracts and the GM letting you build your own cheese. Very few clauses among the Contracts are of any real use in a fight, the notable exception being the Summer Eternal five dot clause that turns you into a walking Sun. You can delete regular people with that, and vampires just get ash babied on the spot.

>>96520694
No answer to if i'm doing this right or not?

>>96524303
I don't understand why they ban the merit as often as they do. It's very good but it just means enemies can have it too.

>>96524053
ngl, I like those freaks better when they are just turning guys into girls.

>>96524545
Yeah enemies can have it too but then it feels like a mandatory pick for everyone, which is just unfun.

>>96521910
Make it so that vampires that drink blood from a hunter start losing control to their beast and going mad, sometimes having odd visions. Their blood is somehow more potent than that of other humans and can heal or restore a vampire's strength much faster but after several strange incidents the Camarilla banned all kindred from feeding on the imbued on pain of death. The precise nature of these incidents is unknown and considered top secret, with most kindred only knowing that one involved a Malkavian whose visions began to grow even stranger.

>>96524253
>I thought the whole point of playing supernaturals was getting to use supernatural abilities to fight
CofD isn't D&D

>>96524253
>Hell, iron bullets are literally the most cost-effective, deadly way to take down a True Fae


Taking down arrogant supernatural creatures with conventional weapons is extremely kino anon.,

>>96524427
And if the material really can't go into cased ammo, sling bullets just need to hold a football shape and be kind of heavy.

Even in Mage, which is the most high powered splat regardless of what anyone says, guns are one of the best things for combat. They make it easy to disguise your magic as just shooting someone. Or like a flamethrower that has no fuel.

>>96525020
I had an idea of playing a Bodyguard for an Archmage that used Enchanted AR-15s and Plate Carriers.

>>96525020
This.
Also, post your ccw.

>>96525020
>And one more thing... I'm glad you changed your last name you sonovabitch!
>*BANG*

>>96525020
In Demon you can make difficulty 3, 16 damage rifles/shotguns firing enchanted munitions that can do things such as
>warp time
>deal agg damage
>reverse gravity
>increase gravity by a factor of 10
>horribly mutate you
>give you PTSD

Guns are OP in every splat. Even in Werewolf you can still make guns incredibly viable by just taking crew served weapons like .50 cals as akimbo sidearms while in warform and infuse your ammo belts with angry spirits of vengeance.

>>96525113
>n Werewolf you can still make guns incredibly viable by just taking crew served weapons
I don't have a lot of experience in Werewolf but I always assumed the plan was to just go full melee beast mode and fuck dudes up by mauling them. But commando wolves with giant tactical rigs and machineguns sounds pretty fucking Kino and makes me want to play.

>>96525129
Most Werewolves are unga bunga rockstop yes but some actually like technology (Glass Walkers) and even among other Clans some Wolves decide that the only thing better than a flamethrower filled with napalm is a werewolf sized flamethrower filled with the spirit of a volcano.

>>96525146
my current vampire game fell apart so I really want a replacement to play, I might be looking for a werewolf game next.

>>96525113
Which Demon, nu or old?

>>96525161
Old. Lore of the Forge is legit overpowered as shit. You need 1 success to
>decrease the difficulty of a tool or weapon's usage by 1
>increase damage by 1 to a maximum of twice the weapon's base damage
>increase another aspect by +20% to a maximum of +100% such as range or durability

And you may be saying, hey, you'd need 11 successes to make a 16 damage 3 difficulty shotgun. Yeah well, you can spend Faith to guarantee successes, take Apocalyptic aspects which reduce your difficulty or add dice or both, and plenty of Merits can do the same. You can also just chargen a guy with 9 strength throwing 11 damage punches which can be agg if you feel like it so Demon isn't the most balanced splat and relies very heavily on you and your players considering that the point is that while you do have the power of Creation at your fingertips you also have an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting at 5 and you don't want to disappoint Carol by not showing up on time because you like Carol she reminds you of your dead mom.

>>96525196
so you can literally make the original Colt from Supernatural, nice

>>96525218
My Demon is a sleazy fuckboy with a sawed off double barreled shotgun that was fashioned by the finest Demon Smith in all of history.

He later ate and Destroyed that same Smith because he Tormented the fuck out and became an Earthbound.

>>96524474
A starting Changeling can be the living fire and ash vamps without effort, simply take over a building and have all its locks and security systems ignore them and open to them, force a peace conference between two groups of belligerents, and many other "OP" things.

It's balanced out by the fact that their prime antagonists are essentially god-like beings that live in worlds made of their own names.

>>96525196

That is one of the harder things to balance in Demon. I feel like everytime i've played it, it turns into vampire/ their politics. Rarely do they try to explore the process of having to turn people into believers to help you get faith and enjoy being human. As well as the fact it grounds them from turning into a monster.

>>96524253
>So-called “cold iron” acts as a frailty bane for change-lings and True Fae. To qualify as “cold iron,” the metal must be mostly pure iron and magic cannot play a role in its creation in any way. It must be hand-forged, not mass-produced, cast, or created by a machine

You don't have to use rage based engagement if you want to talk about a splat. Changelings have incredibly overpowered contracts, kiths and abilities. Stuff like Witch's Brambles is impossible to balance, and if you want to talk about guns, there's always Fae Cunning.

>>96525196
From what I recall of demon, you also have very little ways of actually being able to take all that damage. It along with all the stuff about needing to safeguard your names really make the game very paranoid, because while you can come back from 'death' very easily by finding a new host, you really don't want that for obvious reasons, since it basically means replacing half your character with another one.
Really good of OPP to have DtD lean into that paranoia for a full on espionage game, but I'll always be a bit salty we never got a proper Chronicles redux for DtF, nor a D20 that fixes the original's jank and bad editing. Thanks, Paradox.

>>96525390
You can get 4 armor from an Aspect, but you don't even soak lethal in human-mode, and armor can also have its soak doubled the same way weapons can double their damage, but you can't reduce the difficulty to soak with armor RAW. And a lot of Demon stuff just ignores armor outright. It's probably the most glass-cannon splat.

>created modern society where people have food and medicine
>curbstomps any monsters that get too uppity, even antediluvians
>not obsessive losers that think they should personally be able to shape reality so they become a pony
>wants all of humanity to ascend as one

when did you realize they were the only truly good faction in WoD

>>96525542
>you will eat the bugs
>you will live in the pods
>you will be a (sometimes literal) cog in the machine and be happy about it

>>96525542
How powerful are they really?

Like suppose the top leaders who know all the secrets decide the Wyrm is fucking things up too much and decide to cancel the apocalypse. Could they crush the wyrm and its agents on Earth?

>>96525542
>invented germs and started losing the antibiotic war to them

>>96525573
They make some mistakes, but it's hard to argue they aren't on the side of good. Their good deeds far outweigh their bad ones. Reality deviants need to grow up, get a haircut, and learn the world isn't all about them

>>96525574
Depends on how the writer is feeling that day but typically they're far too stifled in bureaucracy to do anything but delay the Apocalypse a little longer. Managers are exactly as out of touch and insane as Arch Mages. They have incompatible views with reality because they're too old and too set in their ways.

>>96525624
I feel like they would get off their asses if something truly horrible was happening. I remember that one aspect of the wyrm was going to manifest on Earth but an entire tribe of werewolves sacrificed themselves to stop it. If there was a hint of something like that they would go even more all out than they did against the founder of the Ravnos clan

>>96525542
They are absolutely not the good guys, they don't want ascension, they want ABSOLUTE stagnation, their goal is total Weaver victory, they want to create a bubble where every possibility is know, it's the complete death of mankind's potential

>>96525624
And that's only how bad upper management were before Revised.

>>96525642
The issue is some of them are so out of touch as to be unable to understand that things could even be bad. After all, the Technocracy is doing great, look at these graphs and numbers and metrics, how could things be bad? You're exaggerating, look, we'll talk about your propensity to fabricate on your next performance review, in the meantime, take these 3 clones and 2 rayguns and go clean up whatever mess you made with this Wyrm business, you certainly don't need a HIT-Mark killteam for something as insignificant as a runaway oil spill. It's probably just the Traditions and their silly pet projects as always anyways, I've certainly never heard of this "Wyrm."

>>96525583
You betrayed and murdered the Craftmasons who are the only reason you even got off the ground against the Traditions, you jewish fucks.

>>96525782
That’s why I specifically brought up a super bad supernatural event invoking the wyrm. It’s like the Ravnos Antediluvian. Yeah maybe they don’t focus on vampire or Caine all that much but they whipped out the giant space mirrors when shit got real

>>96525806
Well that's simply because when Ravnos woke up most of the higher ups died or were cut off so the lower echelons of the Technocracy suddenly got a lot of fast promotions and thus people who haven't had their head up their asses for 300 years went full nuke it from orbit it's the only way to be sure.

>>96525820
You shouldn’t flanderize them too much. Yes they are divided by petty internal squabbles and bureaucracy, but they aren’t a joke. They basically won and control the human consensus about reality. They manipulate all human governments, decide which technology is rolled out to the masses, they’re fundamentally a very serious organization. They’re probably the single most powerful faction on Earth.

>>96525113
>>96525129
>>96525146
>Clashing Boom Boom followers be like

Would I be unforgivably stupid for not taking this?

>>96526197
Depends on how dickish your ST is
It also adds a roll that you can, well, fail or botch

>>96525129
It can work that way

>>96526197
Probably, for those rituals you absolutely have to make sure shit worked.
What other rituals do you have?

>>96526255
Botching and losing a Willpower dot while just trying to cover your bases sounds rough

>>96526262
>Level 1:
Defense of the Sacred Haven
Encrypt Missive
Purge the Inner Demon
Rebirth of Mortal Vanity
Rite of Introduction

>Level 2:
Ascension of the Blood
Blood Mead
Deny the Intruder
Extinguish
Inscription
Principle Focus of Infusion
Warding Circle Against Ghouls

>Level 3:
Telecommunication

I imagine it would be really important for things like Ascension of the Blood and Extinguish

>>96526274
>Rebirth of Mortal Vanity
kek

>Ascension of the Blood
Yeah, one mistake and you become a retard.

Overall, you have a nice selection of rituals. Did your ST ban Donning the Mask of Shadows?

>>96526294
I love Rebirth of Mortal Vanity, it’s such a good microcosm of the Tremere’s relationship with the rest of the Camarilla. They can sell you the panacea to those relatively small little things that eat away at you, like your hair being too short for your tastes
> Overall, you have a nice selection of rituals.
I spent many, many hours pouring over every ritual and picking them out
> Did your ST ban Donning the Mask of Shadows?
No, it’s the case where if I had literally ANY more room to work with it would be in there. I’m already probably going to have to switch out one or two of these to add in the fail-check ritual

>>96526324
>t’s the case where if I had literally ANY more room to work with it would be in there
I know that feel.
It get's even worse when you add more level 3 rituals. So many cool rituals at that level...

>>96526335
>So many cool rituals at that level...
Honestly. These were the ones I picked out in my initial comb-through, and I ended up whittling it down to just Telecommunication
>Brotherhood of the Cup (Really wanted this one)
>Cleansing of the Flesh
>Pavis of Foul Presence
>Power of the Pyramid
>Sanguine Assistant (This was a finalist)
>Warding Circle against Lupines
>Warding Circle against Fae

>>96525542
>invent diseases
>withhold cures
>syndicate says scarcity means jewgold
thanks progenitors, very cool

>>96526346
>Brotherhood of the Cup
Fun for your whole coterie.

I admit I have a weird fixation with Approach the Veil and Samirah's Kihanah.

>>96526369
>Approach the Veil
Seems like a tight window, but a neg to the difficulty of the next path or ritual roll's fantastic
>Samirah's Kihanah
This one's clever, I like it

>>96526382
>but a neg to the difficulty of the next path or ritual roll's fantastic
I'd like it even if there were no clear mechanical effects (other than being able to learn more stuff).
The whole mystical journey is just too cool.

>>96526393
I really dig Dur-An-Ki's whole "we're actually transcending over here" aspect

>>96526399
Yeah, it's actually too good to leave in the hands of the assamites.

>>96526257
What is that exactly because that is so fucking based.

>>96526411
well revised already said "lol it's not assamite sorcery everyone in the middle east can learn it"

>>96525575
That's not just them though? Go full Dreamspeaker/Verbena and I would like to see you beat ebola or cancer easily in like, 5 turns.

>>96527397
The thing to understand about the technocracy is they are actively preventing “apocalypses” all the time. They way I would run it in a chronicle is that they the Men In Black, they’re too busy fighting off Cthulhu’s attempts to penetrate the deep umbra or insane archmages trying to eliminate the concept of death to take notice of whatever is going on in your chronicle. They have limited resources and attention despite their power, which is why they can be partially infiltrated by agents of the Wyrm. The boss can’t focus on everything all at once. If they show up at all it should be in a limited way that deals with your campaign. Maybe a pack of garou encounters a syndicate agent who is investigating oddities with the funding of the Special Projects Division of Pentex (whose wyrm nature is covered up due to its link to the union.) Things like that.

the new video game will be the nail in the coffin for personal horror faggots

vtm is actually about super antiheroes with fangs and not your shitty unfun coping with muh loss of humanity, and paradox finally realized that. That's what everyone wants to play. Not your misery porn simulator

suck it

>>96527335
As long as my (non-middle eastern) Tremere can get it, I don't care.
Pass the kalif.

>>96515514
>>96514430

In all V5 games I played, feeding was minimized to nondescriptive hunting roll after a couple session because no one actually gives a shit about personal horror. It is simply unfun thematically.

Other than the cringe humanity system, V5 is fine though, mechanically

>>96527711
acording to the same revised blood sorcery book the tremere bought knowledge of dur-an-ki from a malkavian elder (they let her join "house" tremere) so yeah you could if your chantry has the materials or you are well enough with your lord to request him getting you the materials

just ignore that one stupid bit in v20 where knowing assamite sorcery makes you worse at other blood sorceries

>>96515405
that's bullshit though. you can absolutely treat humans as bloodbags in v5 with the right tenets and convictions.
+ there is shit like herd

>>96527756
>You can absolutely do a thing in a game if you tailor the game for that specific thing.
Yeah, I can also run VtM without any Noddism, but that's clearly not what it was designed for.

>>96527397
This sounds like the better deal unless it, too, becomes weaker for everybody each time it's used.

>>96527743
>trip like there's no tomorrow with approach the veil
>fuck the new apprentice with inherited affinity
Level 3 rituals are the gift that keeps on giving.

>>96527777
by default, killing a mortal doesn't give stains. So no, v5 absolutely supports the "humans are bloodbags" style of play, right out of the gate

it only becomes lame if you add gay tenets like "dont harm the innocent"

>>96527707
>0.05 Paradoxbux have been deposited in your account.

>>96527797
It relies on knowing a mage who wants to help you, it is absolutely worse than modern medicine. That's why people live longer in the modern age and don't die in childhood/childbirth the way they used to. It is better if you're a mage and only care about your own immortality.

>>96527397
This sounds like an interesting plot hook.

>>96527966
To be fair, linear sorcery can do roughly the same amount of physical healing iirc.
As far as the metaphorical stuff, yeah it's basically a mage only thing.

I am unearthly, I am darkness, the Suns curse me
I let the homicides begin like a young Percy
Anybody competing with me is unworthy
Anyone shooting three at me is in a Sun`s jersey
I was born as a Catholic but the nuns turned me
I was born as a pacifist but the guns turned me
I was born to be a beautiful man
But the ugliness is powerful, I do what I can
That’s why I try to drop a jewel on my man
And told him that the block is hotter than Jerusalem’s sand
I don’t never have to prove who I am
Causeanybody know me know that I’m a ruthless man

>>96528263
02/10 is the best I can do.

>>96525646
That feels like such a childish villain goal, thankfully later books make it more interesting.

>>96525542
When the writers kept having to bend themselves backwards to paint them in a bad light because of their incompetence. They couldn't even find a way to make them proper capitalists because Pentex already covered that.

>>96528386
All the more pathetic because there's endless IRL Technocracy abject evil to draw inspiration from.

>>96525646
>>96528354
It's rather consequence the their main goal. They do want humanity to achieve their potential with their weapons without needing to Awake. They want humanity to protect themselves and progress within their own time.
However, the more toys they gave us, the lazier we got and we ourselves became stagnant.
One of Technocracy's "personal horror" is that they achieved their goal, but humanity just wants to site in front of a computer and argue on twitter all day long.
And they can't change that because surprise surprise: Humanity controls the Consensus at the end. It's a dead end Technocracy put themselves into.
Just like any other mage, their ego got the best of them.

>>96528477
>They do want humanity to achieve their potential with their weapons without needing to Awake. They want humanity to protect themselves and progress within their own time.
According to themselves, that is. How interesting that achieving their ideal paradigm leaves them in total control of the world. Very convenient.

>>96528579
Just like every government, their primary goal is to preserve their existence and dominance. Everything else is just an means to that end, including propaganda stuff like the quality of life of their non-leadership members.

>>96528760
A lot of people in the technocracy really believe in all that stuff. Like any big organization there are factions. When the Control decided to back Hitler half of the technocrats stood up and walked out and a lot of aid was given to his enemies regardless. I would say the median technocrat sincerely believes they are on the side of good

>>96526687
cyborg metis woof commando

>>96528785
Yeah

>>96528785
>I would say the median technocrat sincerely believes they are on the side of good
So did Hitler

>>96528803
So do the Traditions.

>>96528816
All true, for the most part people don't see themselves as the bad guy. At worst it's something like "I'm only doing what other people are doing" or "if I don't do it, someone else will" or something like that.

>>96528792
is that just in the base book?

I was told that the vast majority of true fae aren’t actually interested in humans, and keep to themselves. Is this true? Are ‘keepers’ the true weirdos?

>>96528844
I'm a Changeling enthusiast, though most of my knowledge is based in 1e.

I know there are non-keeper True Fae, but I don't know how common/uncommon they are. I also know that just because a Gentry isn't a keeper doesn't mean they are "good" or "harmless". All True Fae are powerful beings that operate on an entirely different definition of morality than humans, if indeed morality is a concept that they understand in the first place.

>>96525196
I remember someone posting a weird weaver gun made of plastic or something in these threads that can deal ridiculous amounts of damage due to the rate of fire it has. Do anyone know what I'm talking about? If so how would that compare to the 16 dmg shotgun?

>>96528838
I think it's from the Glasswalker splat book.

>>96528864
Yes. Behold.

>>96528920
>rate 25
lmao. Thanks.

>>96528835
Yeah but memes aside, I still believe that the technocrats have a better claim on the moral high ground given their take on consensus is less shit despite all the new problems. That still doesn't make them good people because if they were good the world of darkness wouldn't be what it is.

Can a vampire do the firebreathing trick without killing himself in the process?

>>96528816
>>96528796
>>96528803
You're not wrong and I think that's part of the point of mage. There are some real "bad guys" (the nephandi) but most of the conflict is about disagreements about what the world should be and what you should chose to believe in. It's very different from Werewolf where you are fighting the actual god of defilement and entropy most of the time.

>>96529024
Sure. As long as he doesn't freak out.

So how would you resolve a table that has players who want muh personal horror and vampire antiheroes? Do you just pick a theme before you start playing and make everyone agree to it or do you try to cater both sides?

the tzimisce books are something else

>>96529171
I fuck them in the ass one by one and the ones that don't cum get kicked off my table.

>>96528920
>a 30mm rotary autocannon spits out hundreds of rounds per minute on the low end, thousands of rounds per minute on the high end
>a 30mm rotary autocannon has a rate of 8
What's the RPM on an assault rifle with a rate of 25?

>>96529171
Talk to your players and reach a consensus.
If no consensus is reached, get rid of the people you like the least.

>>96529171
I wouldn't want to play with anyone who can only communicate what they want from a game in buzzwords.

Any good game needs a mix of drama and adventure anyway.

>>96529171
What's the problem? Presumably some vampires feel differently about being vampires than other vampires.

>>96528844
>I was told that the vast majority of true fae aren’t actually interested in humans, and keep to themselves. Is this true? Are ‘keepers’ the true weirdos?
The Lost aren't sure how many True Fae there even are, let alone what proportion of them kidnap people. Technically, every realm, prop, and actor in Arcadia is a True Fae, but it's primarily the Actors (living physical person manifestations of a Fae) that do the actual kidnapping and stuff. So in theory, since every object and every land in an infinite expanse of pocket dimensions is a True Fae, even by that logic alone the Keepers are a statistical fraction of the population of True Fae.

>>96529382
Indeed. Becoming a kindred would be a net improvement for many anons.

>>96529382
I mean it matters a whole lot when 20th ed is basically only built for capeshit morbius fags who want to be le edgy antihero vampire punisher while 5th is more about exploring how your dude unlives with the beast and personal horror

>>96529382
That's fine in universe, but it's a bitch to manage in the context of running a cohesive game.

>>96529171
>give the muh personal horror players a personal superhero storyline
>make the vampire antihero fans suffer through increasingly degenerative urges that transform their characters into barely sentient blood drinking abominations
Everybody wins!

>>96528920
Goddamn Ork Etherite design. Come to think of it their power to make junk guns work goes well with the whole Consensus thing.

>>96529469
>Makes all the other games about personal horror
>Personal horror, personal horror, personal horror!

The term "personal horror" no longer has any meaning.

>>96529843
never did.

>>96528920
don't forget that the fucking weaver tech company that makes these also sells fitting silver bullets and has started selling these to pentex first teams

>>96529266
and guy is shooting it onehanded

>>96529266
>What's the RPM on an assault rifle with a rate of 25?
All it takes is a soft breeze against the trigger for it to have emptied the entire magazine ten seconds earlier.

>>96529914
What is this expression supposed to convey?

>>96528579
Yes. Because WoD is a literal POV game.

>>96530012
Reminds me a bit of my father, so ... disappointment?

>>96529443
Dude, have you never looked at 1st Edition. Diablerie chronicles, powers out of your ass, the whole Chaos Factor players guide full of Elder powers etc.

>>96530012
>damn this gun's fuckin stupid
>I feathered the trigger once and put the entire mag into a stray dog
>I don't think it even has a safety
>I wish I was back in the Corps shooting Grenadians
>why does my gun smell static?
>my feet hurt
>how do you even mount an M203 to this thing

>In this day and age, the first instinct of a certain type of player might be to question the viability of a roleplaying game about mummies. Say the word “mummy” to this sort of player and watch his face contort as he struggles to accept even the possibility of the premise, let alone the premise itself.
Methinks White Wolf completely underestimated the number of players on the market that this introduction describes, and overestimated their ability to make a concept that sounds incredibly stupid into a game that is interesting and widely appealing

>>96530012
It's a bullpup design, so the trigger pull feels like mushing a turd.

>>96530447
>Say the word “mummy” to this sort of player and watch his face contort as he struggles to accept even the possibility of the premise, let alone the premise itself.

Genuinely, what did they mean by this? I can very easily accept the idea of a mummy.

>>96530504
probably they were referring to the idea of setting an entire splat around the concept of playing as classic pulp horror Mummies rather than having Mummies as a side archetype in something else, you know, like Vampire, Promethean, Geist, or any other splat where they either exist already in some form or would easily be added with a little sourcebook

>>96530538
NTA and I haven't read Mummy but I'm kinda turned off by what I perceive to be an Egypt-based splat when tons of cultures in the world had mummification. Mexican mummies, Buddhist monks that practice self-mummification. You could throw some cool stuff there and I have no idea if it's different in Curse VS Resurrection

Goddamn, even Mummy devolves into World of Firearms. I feel lied to, the book claimed Mummies are as powerful as late game characters in other splats from the moment they awaken. But since it's hard to resupply Sekhem that just means you're all the more incentivized to buy an AK-47 and just start shooting people instead of using your fantastical powers

>>96530615
Resurrection has "south american" and chinese mummies with unique power sets and mythologies, but they only came in with the last book so while they are fully playable they are somewhat undercooked

>>96530615
>NTA and I haven't read Mummy but I'm kinda turned off by what I perceive to be an Egypt-based splat when tons of cultures in the world had mummification. Mexican mummies, Buddhist monks that practice self-mummification. You could throw some cool stuff there and I have no idea if it's different in Curse VS Resurrection
I can only speak for The Curse, but it's not strictly Egyptian, but rather based on the premise of an ancient pre-Egyptian empire that spanned from North Africa to South Africa to Mesopotamia in times of antiquity, predating the Old Kingdom of Egypt by centuries, which was ruled by super mages that cracked the secret to immortality and cast it on their most loyal servants. It still uses predominantly Egyptian terminology and mythology for some reason despite specifically NOT being an Egyptian Mummy thing. But it also specifically rules out Latin American and Asian mummies as being part of the setting because only specifically this not-Egyptian dynasty figured out immortality.

>>96530620
Yes, because the most powerful Supernatural Power there is in the genre is Gun.

>>96530620
owod mummy in general pretty overestimate how strong it made mummies

they have some really strong spells but those are late game stuff so cost not a small amount of exp and most often require a lot of sekhem and very high rolls and mummies can only get superhuman stats with spells (alchemy or amulets) and can't get superhuman levels of skill. they are also lacking in initiative buffs and super speed so your ancient sorcerer is very likely to just get their head cut off by a garou pup or torewhore neonate before you can turn their bodies to silver

>>96530538
I dunno if you can swallow vampires as PCs why not mummies? They're more explicitly tied to one culture in the western consciousness (though egypt wasn't the only ancient culture with mummification) but otherwise I don't see the issue. There's plenty of mummy stuff in the public consciousness.

>the concept of playing as classic pulp horror Mummies

Does that actually describe any version of WoD mummies though? I've never gotten that impression.

>>96530728
>Does that actually describe any version of WoD mummies though?
It's cited as one of the main inspirations for Mummy: The Curse, and one of the game themes you can focus on or ignore as you please

> All this supernatural activity did not go unnoticed by the forces of the Technocracy, who declared Code Ragnarok - a threat to the entire world, and authorized the use of unlimited resources to stop the disaster. In a first moment they tried to use orbital mirrors to focus the power of the sun on the Antediluvian, but they were unable to pierce the clouds and the magic that was sustaining it since Tieh Juh was strengthening the hold of the clouds, believing it was still too soon to spring the trap.

>At the peak of the battle as demons from Indian mythology, werewolves, mages, technocrats, and the undead clashed within the heart of the storm, while the fight between the Antediluvian and the ancient Kue-Jin could even be seen from the Sea of Shadows of the Underworld, and in a moment of despair the Bodhisattva opened the gate to the Yomi World, causing an eruption of the spirit world into this one. Having failed to disperse the clouds either by air or by land, the Union launched magical "neutron bombs" on the battlefield, killing all of Zapathasura's combatants

t>triggering the trap and releasing the clouds allowing thus the Technocracy’s solar mirror to strike. The Antediluvian was destroyed before it could regenerate, sending one last psychic scream that ravaged his own Clan.

I have to admit I wasn't familiar with the Technocracy's game because I really only know vtm but apparently they are like the Culture but in World of Darkness or something. So are the Carmilla sacred of these guys? I have to imagine seeing this would scare most vampire factions shitless. Why the fuck don't they send Agent J and Agent K to blow the various vampire fiefdoms straight to hell?

>>96530817
>So are the Carmilla sacred of these guys? I have to imagine seeing this would scare most vampire factions shitless. Why the fuck don't they send Agent J and Agent K to blow the various vampire fiefdoms straight to hell?
IIRC first edition had a whole section of Camarilla Elders who had contact with Technocracy to do diplomacy-stuff with them.
But they never went far on details about it and later editions didn't expand this concept.

>>96530817
oWoD cross-splat makes little sense and the Week of Nightmares is the crowning jewel of pants on head retarded cross-splat.

>>96530754
You know fair, I can see that. Shame Curse is rather arcane even by CofD standards. The way it does supernatural potency is really neat but I find its premise a little "on rails" for my taste.

>>96530817
They see vampires as a low level threat at the moment. The camarilla is actually useful to the technocracy because the enforce the masquerade. So they'll tolerate their existence and let them larp as medieval lords for now, even work with them sometimes, but at the end of the day they're on the chopping block once all the higher level problems are dealt with. If they knew more about Caine and noddism they might devote more resources to wiping out vampires.

So the Technocracy created the God-Machine as their last desperate resort in case of the world ending, and all of NWoD is just the new reality it created on Earth after 19 different apocalypses all hit OWoD Earth and wiped out all life, right?

>>96530883
>Technocracy finds out about Caine
>They pick up a Bible and read it
>"God is real?!"
>"Oh fuck"

>>96530889
least retarded technocracy related theory

>>96530934
>Well, he’ll have to go. From now on we will begin implementing a new theory of physics based around an origin force. Any time our references would refer to god it will instead refer to the origin force. Scott, have your team start working out the details

>>96530961
>And what about contingencies, sir?
>well, Jenkins, we're gonna need a bigger bomb.

>>96530889
Thanks, GodMachine!

>>96529224
I love them so much

>>96531356
>t. tzitrash

Before the thread end, I just wanna say I'm starting to get pumped to write the rest of my London MtAw1e setting.
It was a setting I was writting up a couple of years ago and I got burnt out. I always had some insecurities to go back and write it, but thanks to my friends I'm having courage again on working this out.
I'm real glad!

>>96531608
Congrats, Anon. I know jack and shit about MtAw, but good on anyone who puts in the effort to build out a proper, living city for their players.

>>96531608
ganbatte

>>96531608
Based. Good luck, anon.

>>96531608
Cool familiar, bro

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