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"The grass is always greener on the other side"

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This general encompasses all board game genres - Eurogames, Ameritrash, Ameritreasure, Fillers, Party, Abstracts, Wargames, and especially the game that one anon is autistic about at this very moment.

TQs:
- Favorite Eurogame?
- Favorite Ameritrash game?
- Do you think the distinction matters these days?
- Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?

1st for Wehlre

>>96505010 (OP)
>Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
Friedemann Friesse

>>96505038
Are you going to Essen to see him?

What are other nice stock market boardgames that are not a 18xx game?

>>96505049
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamemechanic/2005/stock-holding

Here you go faggot

Gaia Project: yay or nay?

>>96505023
Misspelled his name award

>>96505049
Bites

>>96505064
I always assumed it was another Terraforming Mars-type game and ignored it.

There's plenty of WWII games but do any of them handle the Holocaust with grace and respect?

>>96505010 (OP)
>- Favorite Eurogame?
Lorenzo il Magnifico
>- Favorite Ameritrash game?
Stifling Dark, if it counts
>- Do you think the distinction matters these days?
Nah
>- Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
My nigga TauCeti

How hard is it for the government to win in Hegemony?

>>96505010 (OP)
ill play euro game
step 1 murder the king
step 2 murder the chief one fjord over
step 3 no standing armies and no ancestral conflicts mean everyone is a farmer or boatmaker or whatever
with everyone making and no one throwing away and everyone else busy killing the guys they hate
we become the dominant power in the region
reestablish a standing army
be big and intimidating
dont be mean
be nice
ask for fair trade
offer huge payment for minor strips of land between territories of rivals
pay both full price for contested territory
become unconquerable humanity
lead into a new dawn of kindness and goodness
turn it into a solar colonization game
turn tens of thousands of moons into millions of starbases
have all the suns power at our disposal
mfw dont need a military because garbage thrown out a spaceship window hits harder than any nuke
be happy up in space
delve down into the human mind
unlock destiny from its shackles
the apotheosis commences

>>96505688
when are you publishing?

>Favorite Eurogame?
Civilization A New Dawn with Terra Incognita expansion
>Favorite Ameritrash game?
Earth Reborn
>Do you think the distinction matters these days?
Yes. My group has gone full on FotM multiplayer solitaire euros and I find them all terribly boring. "Use mechanic x to unlock 3 of resource y which can be used on 7 different scoring tracks and bonus multiplier z." Now let's spend the last 10 minutes doing arithmetic and see who wins the point salad. While I can appreciate chaining together a nasty combo, that shouldn't be the whole fucking game.
>Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
Christophe Boehlinger. Someday I will find a group to play Archipelago with. Living Planet is a weird but good game.

>>96505010 (OP)
>TQs
- I'm not the biggest Euro fan, though my group loves them. I prefer fighting and having direct interaction. I'd have to say Bus, as it definitely is about efficiency but can be very cutthroat and I love it. (Would I like Hansa Teutonica? It seems intriguing and somewhat similar)
- My favorite Ameritrash would have to be TI4. There are shorter games I enioy, shout-out to Arcs, but TI is just such a grand experience and I never stop thinking about it.
- I wouldn't say it matters, but it definitely is useful to know just to get a sense of what the game will be like. Pax Pamir is probably my favorite game of all and I honestly wouldn't know how to define it in those catergories. So the terms are useful only to an extent.
- Wehrle, of course. As it is always said, to the point I feel like a broken record, he may not have perfect games but at least there interesting to think about. Oath is one of my favorite games for what it sets out to do even though it falls short of making it happen.

>>96505713
>Now let's spend the last 10 minutes doing arithmetic and see who wins the point salad
that's the worst part by far. I consider that shit game design.

>>96505688
what?
>>96505713
>the distinction matters because... MPS
you know "euro" and "multiplayer solitaire" aren't synonyms right?
>Archipelago
I ended up selling mine because no way that was going to get played... but would've been cool to try

One of the mps I enjoy is Anno 1800. It's basically just a big communal tech tree. You're building different stuff and can use others people's stuff that they have built. It very relaxing in a way.
Anyone else likes it?

>>96505809
>you know "euro" and "multiplayer solitaire" aren't synonyms right?
True but multiplayer solitaire is essentially a staple of *modern* eurogames.

>>96505049
Wabash cannonball

>>96505064
Seems like a more open version of terra mystica
Neither looks interesting enough for me to try

>>96505010 (OP)
>Favourite Eurogame
Mille Fiori? Does that count? If not then probably Kingdom Builder (Which will probably also not count because le randomness)

>Favourite Ameritrash
War of the Ring

>The Distinction
Not really, it feels like most "American" designs all trend towards being Eurogames now and it feels rare to see proper traditional Ameritrash outside of amateur designers who don't know any better

>Bonus
Carl Chudyk for having such a breadth of designs and also just being able to design the ones he has is an insane achievement. I'm not sure there's another designer in the tableu-buildery field that comes close to just having GTR, Mottainai and Innovation. Maybe Tom Lehmann with Jumpdrive, Res and RFTG

>>96505877
Is this the default cube rails game

>>96505956
>GTR, Mottainai and Innovation.
what a trilogy. GTR should be reprinted. can't that fag who owns the rights and is blocking them just die or something? lol

>>96505995
I think he's so traumatised and butthurt by the black box KS financially ruining him that he'll never give it up and is hoping Carl eventually cedes to giving him another chance on a reprint.

>>96505980
Yes

>>96505064
It's zhe best of the terra mystica games, but also the ugliest by far
You're gonna have to decide yourself if that's something you want

>>96505075
Kinda like me confusing through the desert with forbidden desert for around 15 years

what game has the best combat mechanics in your opinion?

>>96506082
Carcassonne

>>96506091
mmm you mean like when you sneakily steal someone else's buildings?

>>96506100
Yes
But also the antagonistic tile placement where you build near your opponent to limit their options to finish their features

thoughts?

>>96506147
Seriously faggy design and borderline nongame but I can't help but respect jamey for making a pretty experimental design a big smg release

>>96506147
>Chibi batman
>Fat pokemon
>Some bug mechs
>Stonemeier game

>>96506147
>Draw new card
>Huh, it's a game store
>Oh neat it prominently features WotR
>Coose 'buy' keyword
>'You buy vantage from the store three blocks down'
That's vantage in a nutshell

>>96506147
A game you can even win by deciding not to play. Mindblowing.

>In Board Game Geek’s top 100 you find these little tough nuggets like Dominant Species or Twilight Struggle that have been put there by the diehards who kept board games alive throughout the 80s and 90s and early 00s, and to whom Brass is as rich and addictive as tobacco. And if they’re having fun with it, awesome. That’s fantastic. But now, with more games and types of games and more people and types of people playing games than ever before? When the competition is astronomical? Brass is a shade too awkward. It’s tiring to learn, tiring to teach, tiring to finish, and very intense in between.
S:https://www.shutupandsitdown.com/bgg100-40-21/

Is he right?

>>96506203
>It’s tiring to learn, tiring to teach, tiring to finish, and very intense in between.
skill issue

You now remember Jamey Stegmaier's blog.

>>96505048
I want his autograph

It's good to know even the shittiest Knizia is more enjoyable than Monopoly.

>>96505713
>Now let's spend the last 10 minutes doing arithmetic and see who wins the point salad.
I won't defend this design feature universally, but I find it to be fun in something like GWT when people call out their individual points, I write them down and tally up, and people have that bit of opportunity to guess who won. Often it comes down to someone else than everyone thought, which is a cool moment of surprise at the end.

>>96506272
Shut up kowalski

>>96506305
Kowalski is anti-Knizia. You have it backwards, bud.

is this any good?

Is this any good? a friend recommended this to me.

Is this the spirit island general?

So a new Kiesling-Kramer game came out this year. It's called Immortal. Even though I like the theme of planting flowers in a graveyard, the gameplay is too simple. It's basically Rummy with tiles. Tiles (flowers) come in 4 colors and they go from 1-13 (I think). You're meant to place them in vertical or horizontal lines of sequential numbers of the same color or different colors but the same number. First player to place all his tiles wins. That's it. I guess it's meant to be extremely light.

Is Chess technically Ameritrash?

>>96506147
I was genuinely impressed by Vantage. like another anon said, it's borderline not even a game. there's just enough decision making there to fuel the exploration. honestly the art carried a lot, much of it is very attractive. the writing does a good job staying out of the way. there's a bunch of neat surprises to discover, and a meta skill of better navigating the planet based on what you learn in previous runs.
i'd much rather use the webapp for book entries than the physical books though. overall it's obvious that the whole thing is a labor of love and I respect him for it. there's a palpable sense of exploration and discovery, so I'd say it succeeds at what it set out to do

>>96506424
chess is an abstract game. they're their own thing. they're neither eurogames nor ameritrash.

>>96506303
I think spooktacular did it very well. You have your open score plus tickets that (can) range from 4-8 points. Scores are both very quickly calculated yet not immediately obvious. It's great.

>>96506426
Any game it could be compared to? Earthborne Rangers, 7th Continent/Citadel?

>>96506381
Nah, it's to our left, you want >>/lgbt/

>>96506487
Agreed. I thought the tickets were going to be stupid, but it's a good surprise at the end and forces you to do things you wouldn't otherwise do to get a ticket

>>Carnegie
some anons were asking me about this last thread:
I play this with people who love 18xx fairly regularly, and the interaction in the networking part of the map is fairly vicious with them. I wouldn't say it's easy at all to connect all 4 cities if other players are trying to be dicks properly. There's also a race for several aspects - donations, departments, and topping transportation tracks. The economy is tight enough initially that the injections of resources from maxing train tracks can make a big difference, and certain departments can be strategy defining.
I've found that there's a variety of viable strategies, so even if the major gameplay loop is largely homogeneous between games there is a lot of nuance in the particulars of a strategy and where you can eke out efficiency relative to your neighbors. Game-to-game i've seen pretty different distributions of actions taken.
Even the player boards are pretty important to pay attention to, since selecting actions that your opponents aren't prepared to capitalize on is pretty crucial. Forcing another player to pick HR and then going last to see what everyone else is powering up and then piggybacking off of it is a satisfying interplay. Even if some of the interaction is indirect, what other players are doing has a big impact on how the game goes for you.
I also recommend playing with the starting auction from the expansion.

>>96506502
Did you get more plays in anon? I am still unsure how deep or shallow it is, but after my initial 3 games my dry spell which I continue to blogpost about started
Only thing I am pretty sure about is that it's better with at least 4p

>>96506509
>Only thing I am pretty sure about is that it's better with at least 4p
the gulag agrees

>>96506510
>11 total voters

>>96506505
>I play this with people who love 18xx fairly regularly,
what other games does your group like besides Carnegie and 18xx?

>>96506509
I only played at 4 and 3 players, which was pretty fun. Turns go super fast once everyone knows what to do, and the board changes so fast. You really can knock out a good game in 35min.
To answer your question, the consensus is that there are monsters that are good at all player counts, then there are monsters that work at 3+ player counts. I haven't weeded them all out, but I'm sure there will be stats on the gulag before long. Kind of wish there was a preferred player count written on the monster sheets. Definitely enough content to play at all player counts, imo

Is Sol any good, or does it just have a smoking hot board?

>>96506539
It's approved by Cole Wehrle.

>>96506493
the game is heavily inspired by 7th Continent/Citadel and Sleeping Gods, powered by a dice system fairly similar to One Deck Dungeon. i think there's a bit of inspiration from Earthborne Rangers, but it doesn't play anything like it. He also mentions Tainted Grail in the rulebook.
Overall it's a lot lighter and breezier than all those games. the fail states are very forgiving and the win conditions give you options.

Container will be reprinted next year. Thoughts?

>>96506574
Seeing how quickly the hype died last time around and how little I've heard of it since, I'm gonna sit this one out. Also reminds me
>Remember when Container cost like 110 euro and people were completely shocked at how high bg prices could go?

>>96506203
SUSD have always been wrong and retarded

>>96506598
you base your purchases on other people's hype?

>>96506603
pip? cynthia?

>>96506574
I think Arkwright is also getting a reprint

>>96506634
This one is Pip

>>96506605
Not directly, but I do believe a game that people keep playing because it's good will be talked about years later.

>>96506651
The game is almost 20 years old and still made it to Hotness. Above Vantage, the big Stonemaier release.

>>96506634
This one is Cynthia. Old collaborators, I think.

>>96506665
The release I talked about was 2018 or so. Also being in the hotness is the exact kind of hype I meant.

I'm not saying the game is 100% shit or I'm never gonna touch it ever. Just telling you what I noticed and assume from that information.

why isn't there an 'essential collection' of ROVE by Button Shy like their other games (Sedlec, etc)? ROVE is their 2nd biggest game ffs

Any good hidden movement games? Thinking of giving Scotland yard Sherlock a try, it's $15

>>96506710
Allegedly sniper elite is very good but I haven't checked and their recent kickstarter had additional cost almost as high as the games', so I decided to wait for retail

>>96506710
They're fun but anti-climactic as the investigators can just stumble on the hidden guy. That's the primary reason why Fury of Dracula is so much better.

>>96506574
played it for the first time recently and thought it was super cool. glad it will be accessible to purchase again

>>96505049
HF4ALL module 5

>>96506203
>number 40 used to be Dead of Winter
Goodness how the times change.

>>96506539
The first game was a solid hit for my group.
Max player count, game length written on box didnt lie, and we are playing it again this week.
Now, whether it has legs remains to be seen, but the variable powers set up every game should certainly shake things up.

Do you anons also have a deliberate blind spot you cannot be arsed about? Talking less about whole genres because that's too easy but rather a particular series or subgenre.
I, for example, have never bothered to look at Luciani(?)s T-game series or the xyz of the west kingdom/south tigris/north sea games

>>96507008
I avoid party games like the plague, but can be convinced to play social deduction party games
>T-game series
I think Teotihuacan is the only good one in that series, Tzolkin seemed a bit overrated but I've played it only once, and Tiletum is mediocre

I steal two coins from you with my captain

>>96507008
Sure do, most recent euro game releases.
Ive heard of the italian designers, lacerda, all those nature themed light weight games.
A good chunk of modern releases are on my radar, but Ive never been gravitated towards'em.

>>96507080
Alas! I am but a humble Ambassador and block the thievery.
While eating this delicious curry and paneer.

>>96507008
Garphill games. Don't know why but their art style is easily recognizable so I just skip them on sight. Same for any Marvel/ Star wars/ Disney games. They could be great for all I know.

>>96507094
>Same for any Marvel/ Star wars/ Disney games. They could be great for all I know.
For two decades I've avoided the pull.
And now, like a sirens call, captains chair has been breaking me loose from the mast.
And I'm not even that big a trekkie.

>>96507145
so what attracted you to the game?

>>96507080
>mathematically buckbreaks the game by always claiming Duke
What are you going to do, call me out on the first turn? The odds are against you.

>>96507228
>willingly putting a target on your back
Rookie mistake.

>>96507008
>Luciani(?)s T-game series
You mean Daniele Tascini. Is he still cancelled for saying the n word?

Anyways to answer your question, never bothered playing GMT games, which is weird because I always give anything a chance but GMT games irk me and choose against sitting at a table with them.

>>96506358
I didn't like it but the guy who tabled it did.

>>96507008
I haven't played any of the Garphill games, I hate the art style, and they seemed like overwrought designs. They might be fun but I'll let someone else buy them and bring them to the table

>>96507008
Seconding that Teotihuacan is the only good one of the "T" series.

>>96507080
>takes one coin as income
Please don't do that again

>>96507263
What target?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Zyc9SAq0pmtSB8wmKiNo5QrXih35O4DMwMtYpSw9CMs/edit?tab=t.0

>>96507735
The more coins you have the bigger threat you become to the table. You will become a prime target for assassination and captain.

>>96505038
>punic grin
>merchant handwringing
What did he mean by this?

>>96506236
Fret not, in an interview a "journo" gave him the opportunity to publicly shame himself and repent of his sins.
>GOING ANALOG: Take us back into the head of young Jamey Stegmaier. Why did you write some of these things to begin with? What were you trying to achieve in letting the world know that you're drawn to women’s cleavage, for example?
>Stegmaier: This sounds terrible to say now because I look back, and I'm like, this was not funny. This was never funny. But I thought at times I was being funny. I think a lot of it is poor attempts at juvenile humor.
>And I think maybe part of it is the people who read my blog back then seemed to enjoy those types of posts. And so it kind of fed itself to a certain extent. Inexcusable but I think a lot of it stemmed from that.
https://www.goinganalogshow.com/article/98/our-interview-with-jamey-stegmaier-his-failings-his-regrets-his-path-forward

See the attached pic anons? He is an ally now. (Just disregard the fact that this post has also been deleted...)

>>96507923
I hate rich people so much

>>96507923
When a black game developer speaks, I shut up, I sit down, and I begin to learn.

>>96505038
I don't know why I always confuse him with Harding, maybe its the green and this box
or that they're both a bit weird

>>96507923
damn Jamie "NiggerHater2000" Stonemeir used to be a different man

>>96508036
Are there any good board games made by black game developers?
I know I'm courting troll/bait answers here, but I've known some awesome blerds in my time so there's got to be some examples out there.

>>96508127
wtf is a developer

>>96508053
Jamie Stormfront is a weird man. I think there's a reason he spends so much time on wine.

>>96508127
Only one I can think of is Allen Dickerson. It's not like anyone includes a headshot next to their name in the rulebook. That only leads to ego.

I only know about him because of an interview. If you want to hear him talk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXKslKHl9vE&t=0s

>>96506358
Yes, if you like dice euros it feels like a modern classic. Probably my favorite of the T-series games.

>>96508184
Excuse me, designer.
>>96508245
He looks like an older version and speaks exactly like a cool blerd I went to high school with. It's so uncanny I wonder if they're related.

>>96508184
board games are made exclusively on computers these days, grandpa

>>96508127
DC Forever

>>96508665
what's this? i like the 4th image

>>96508665
are these tarot cards?

>>96506558
Is being wehrle approved good or bad?

>>96508681
it's the highest compliment in board games

>>96508681
have you tried root?

do themes even matter in a euro? it's all the same shit. "make the most points by optimizing resources".

>>96508674
>>96508675
Looks like Dixit to me. Card guessing party game.

>>96501181
Targi. Love it but can only stand one play a month of it. Any anon here with experience on the expansion?

>>96508731
I dunno. Do you prefer the art on American money or the art on Canadian money? It's all money right?

>>96508674
>>96508675
>>96508756
It's primarily dixit, but I am also sure I can detect an implication of loss in there

why does Brass: Birmingham have mixed reviews on steam? i'm guessing bugs? i wonder if it was ever fixed

>>96508944
There's 555 reviews. Did you read them?

>>96508731
sometimes the resources are used in different ways, so to help differentiate at a glance they are tied thematically to different things
don't forget to count resources of opportunity (not cubes you push around, but space to push them, worker placement spaces if any, auctions if any, first-come-first-serve limited building space that you should claim unless you have a very very good plan, and so on) where the theme gets a chance to shine even more.

on the other hand a similar argument can be made for ameritrash games, theme doesn't matter, War of the Ring or Axis & Allies, in both you're just rolling dice. oh, sometimes you do draw cards from a deck, like in Battlestar Galactica, but you could replace that with dice (or replace dice with cards) and have approximately no real change beyond small percentage chances that only eurogamer nerds care about.

>>96506358
No it's complete crap. Do not buy it.

>>96508731
I think Euros with no interaction should just not be made, simple as that.

I think low interaction Euros can benefit from some themeing (Voidfall) but really they're just games that the theme doesn't matter at all.

>>96509005
i read a few of them

>>96509041
>on the other hand a similar argument can be made for ameritrash games
no, it can't. the whole point in ameritrash is le theme. the gameplay serves the theme.

>Waited an entire month for an OOP game to ship
>seller just goes and refunds me after constant baiting updates of "oh I'll ship it"

>>96509157
at least you got a refund. consider yourself lucky.

>>96509157
what game?

>>96508184
Developers are like kind of like editors in books. They exist to make an already existing game better. They polish and optimize the game's systems. They add things they might think work better.

example: John Brieger

https://briegercreative.com/projects/tabriz.html

>>96509173
Second edition of potion explosion. I just want more stuff to play with my mom.

Speaking of OOP, I remember playing Serenissima 2ed and really enjoying it. The game is now oop and not easy to get (at least here).
The game is about Mediterranean sea where you have these ships that have spaces for crew or resources. You take over coastal cities that produce resources and gain points but you can also fight others to sink their ships or take their cities. The game has a nice ark where you start very euro with trading resources then it becomes like a cold war where there are some fights on the edges and you position fully powered ships on the edge to deter others to fight you then at the end everyone goes all in trying to get one more city for the final scoring.
Are there any other game with this style? An ameritrash(?) game where the fight is like a finale and not just constant fight but something that builds up throughout the game?
I thought Scythe was gonna be similar from description but it's far from it.

>>96509207
>potion explosion
are you from EU?

>>96509241
America. First edition is cardboard shit with an awful insert, third edition is mega-cheap plastic with a lousy insert. Second is far and away the best, best dispenser and best box insert.

>>96509094
Tell me about your bad experience with it.

what is the best detective game?

>>96509278
Are you looking for deduction games or something else?

Any good use for mini dice?

>>96509256
oh, there's a bunch of stores with 2ed. here but they're eu based so shipping would probably be too expensive...

>>96509232
>An ameritrash(?) game where the fight is like a finale and not just constant fight but something that builds up throughout the game?
Seconding. I'm interested in slowly escalating conflict game that's not a wargame

>>96509338
travel version of panda royale?

>>96509320
I'm looking for games where you solve crimes based on clues and where you feel like a detective. Not sure if that's enough info.

hi anyone knows where i can get a pdf with arkham horror cards to print & play??

>>96509357
Maybe not. Know of any?

>>96509405
Kronologic
Tragedy Looper is good but if you want noir? it's not that.
>feel like a detective
Alcoholism and tobacco? That's up to you and your host

>>96508272
They're all related to each other, dontcha know

>>96509465
https://www.tabletopfinder.eu/en/boardgame/313/potion-explosion
https://www.crowdfinder.be/product/4671-potion-explosion-2nd-edition

>>96506888
The rich and the good, 7 empires
>>96506888
She asked for a nice game

>>96509523
Thanks! But you know what, Walmart of all places had a single copy left. I think I'll try that first, see how it goes.

>>96509278
>>96509405
>Gumshoe (1985)
>Awkward Guests: The Walton Case
>The Case of Alexander Morrison
>Kronologic: Paris 1920

I'm fucking hyped for Lands Of Evershade.

realistically, how far are we from being able to play any board game with AI companions who all have zany personalities?

>>96509622
Schizophrenia is already a thing.

>>96509622
You can ask your preferred model about board games. They're often woefully undertrained on this hobby and give wrong information constantly. If you want to do the job of training them yourself, good luck. If you think there's a commercial interest in training the bots to play board games, I doubt it.

>>96509622
Unironically, for what purpose.
I fail to see how this would be better than videogames with which it directly competes

>>96508731
Of course. My group doesn't like euros very much, and they are totally cold on euros that aren't at least halfway thematic.

>hansa teutonica
Great game, people play it better than me when we actually get it on the table, but it is impossible to pull it out anymore. Nothing about it is thematic besides the fact that your merchants are building "trade routes" (by planting their ass in a town permanently for some reason).

>power grid
Expand your grid, build better power plants, make money. Not a lot of the individual mechanics make sense, but at least the core is there.

>>96508731
Best games are a fusion of ameritrash 'theme informs mechanics' and euro mechanical solidity. Alchemists, which I will not stop shilling, is a pretty good example of a euro elevated by theme

>>96509670
video games damage your eyes and psyche

>>96509835
truke

>>96509202
NTA but I've seen those credits before in games and wondered what that meant. Thanks for the info anon.
>>96509278
I want to suggest Chronicles of Crime but the writing is so hit and miss that I can't give it a full recommendation. Still, when it does work it's cool.
Outside of one case Noir is even worse despite what the Gulag would have you believe. Haven't tried the other entries, but I don't have high hopes for them.

Don't know why this doesn't have good ratings on the gulag. I already like it more than Mottainai.

>>96509338
Eating.
Or replacement tokens in a game I guess.
>>96509278
Haven't played them myself but there's also Detective: A Modern Crime Game and the Sherlock Holmes Detective Agency games.

Chad, ship the Ra reprint kickstarter goods already you lazy faggot

>>96509481
all you need to make Tragedy Looper a noir game is the Spanish version.

>>96509610
Me too anon

but its not playable for like another 6 months minimum

>>96505010 (OP)
WTF is a meeple?

>>96510375
funny lil guys who single handedly keep the German economy afloat.

Is Agricola still the best Uwe?
Are any expansions/ card sets recommend?

>>96510414
Nusfjord

>>96510375
>meeple
A lawsuit waiting to happen

>>96509965
I come to hate the splaying mechanism in his games. The cards keep sliding all over and I keep aligning them to be symmetrical... If only the cards were good quality.

>>96505010 (OP)
>- Favorite Eurogame?
Azul
>- Favorite Ameritrash game?
OGRE
>- Do you think the distinction matters these days?
Yes
>- Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
Arnold Hendrick, but for his videogame career

>>96510441
are you sure?

>>96510414
That would be Bohnanza.

>>96509278
Here Lies

>>96510414
Le Havre and Oranienburg Kanal actually

>>96510414
Kinda yes but AffO is pretty great as well

>>96509965
I would argue that the crowdfunding campaign didn't do it much good. Too many chuds jumping on the chudykchad-train and leaving disappointed because they didn't know what to expect

>>96511097
>Too many chuds jumping on the chudykchad-train and leaving disappointed because they didn't know what to expect
wydm

>>96505565
About the same as the other factions but you have to meta game a lot more than the other factions. You have to be willing to take a loan and have an IMF intervention in order to get the other players to not take advantage of you. The IMF loans are the nuclear option that should be avoided by everyone but they hurt non-government players much more than government so you should hold your finger over the button.

>Favorite Eurogame?
Yokohama. Maybe Obsession.

>Favorite Ameritrash game?
Eldritch Horror

>Do you think the distinction matters these days?
No in so much as you prefer one over the other then you would want to know before you say you're willing to play or buy.

>Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
No but I do like Histogame. They've never done a bad game.

>>96507923
>>96506236
The combination of these two posts is art.
They explain everything I need to know about why Jamie's games are so incredibly dull. He is nothing but a tiresome golden retriever echoing the predominant opinion of whatever group he happens to be in. The frictionless quivering slime jowled, Jamie Stegmaier.
Keep on trucking, anontachi.
>>96508757
The expansion shores up balance and doesn't add too much complexity to kill the pace. Not sure if the Africa poster counts North Africa though or surely he'd have posted Kemet, Ankh, RA or any other Egyptian themed game. Yugioh.
>>96509750
Anon, do your players really not understand how warehouses, stables, inns, logistics offices and shops work? HT is obviously and coherently thematic.
>>96511076
Is your pretty great contingent on having the expansion? It didn't survive the 3rd play in my old group before my pal sold it. Wide as the ocean and deep as a puddle was what I heard. I was away when they tabled it though so I have no real opinion.

when is Spirit Island going to do a new edition or big box collection or something
Eric Reuss I know you post here

>>96511962
When the rights get sold

>>96511962
How big are big boxes? I've honestly never bought one of those but SI has like 3 major expansions. Can everything really fit in a box that isn't too massive?

>>96512024
i see inserts that fit all content sleeved with premium tokens into the base + nature incarnate boxes
so I don't think it's that unreasonable. I'd print such an insert, however it's hard to track down the premium tokens. so i'll likely just play on the app until a new printing is done

>>96511962
I mean, you play Spirit Island, I'm sure there's plenty of room to store inside your head where your brain should be.
>a-at least the gameplay is good
"No!" The gameplay is dreadful; the game was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time a minor power was played, the player did it for the symbols instead of an interesting effect.

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time a card was played for symbols only. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Reuss' mind is so governed by bland effects and thinly veiled set collection that he has no other style of gameplay. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Spirit Island by the same Kenneth Johnson. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these manchildren are playing Spirit Island at 31 or 32, then when they get older they will go on to play Phase 10." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play "Spirit Island" you are, in fact, trained to play Phase 10.

Spirit Island is awesome

>>96512038
>i see inserts that fit all content sleeved with premium tokens into the base + nature incarnate boxes
really? that sounds pretty good, i'll check them out.

what premium tokens do you mean btw?

Played Hegemony recently and liked it. Would I like Pax Transhumanism as well?

>>96512085
>Played Hegemony
what faction? and did you win?

>>96512085
Very different games, but I quite liked the bizarre board states where you are teying to maximize action efficiency but it veers the winning conditions away from problems youve solved and you need to right the ship.
Also its economy is unlike any other game Ive played.

>>96505010 (OP)
>Favorite Eurogame?
Troyes
>- Favorite Ameritrash game?
Chaos in the Old World
>- Do you think the distinction matters these days?
Yes. The people who say they don't are retards who don't understand why humans create labels, such as "retard".
>- Bonus question: Is there a designer you admire?
Corey Konieczka. Despite what the Kniziaknobgobblers would have you believe, he had a stronger influence on the hobby despite a much lower number of games published. And a stellar career of constant growth as well.

>>96512363
>he had a stronger influence on the hobby despite a much lower number of games published.
No, he didn't, Kowalski. Nice try, though.

>>96512363
>Konieczka
Disagree about Knizia slander but he definitely punches way above his own weight, and is a more prolific designer than Lacerda or any of the "big names" in the last 8 years.

It's funny that a guy who looks like he is in a Rush cover band has as many world class designs as he does.

>>96512412
That I can agree with.

>>96512412
>a guy who looks like he is in a Rush cover band
By no means. He looks like he's come to terms with the fact that he's not photogenic.

>>96512445
exactly, that's what "a guy who looks like he is in a Rush cover band" means

>>96512459
Oh.

>>96512445
With minimal effort he would look like a normal albeit nerdy guy. Instead he has Amish facial hair and a strip mall haircut.
Battlestar Galactica is still peak.
Captcha:GASN8 (sorry Nate)

>>96512445
Thanks for Rebellion

>>96512445
>looks like a goat
fitting for the goat of modern ameritrash

>>96512412
What Knizia designs started their own genre? Or have been heavily copied by other designers?

>>96511764
>HT is obviously and coherently thematic.
Anon, you are deluding yourself. None of the things you mentioned have anything to do with HT's gameplay. Neither does it make sense that you use 3 merchants to set up one "warehouse", nor the opponents pushing you out of a trade route giving you more merchants. It's pretty much pure gameplay with a thematic veneer thin enough the game is almost an abstract.

>>96511982
I'm wondering how the fuck they managed to go bankrupt. The game seems popular enough and each crowdfunding campaign was a success.

>>96512825
>Or have been heavily copied by other designers?
Battle Line. For example, Air, Land & Sea and Marvel Snap are derived from it.

>>96513007
Probably the same reason CMON is simultaneously posting multimillion dollar losses while also running kickstarters out 5 years ahead.
>rob peter to pay paul
>rob john to pay peter
>rob matthew to pay john
>etc.

>>96513007
Trump's tariffs.

>>96513039
Should have produced domestically then, faggot.

>>96513054
Doesn't work, retard.

>>96513061
Milton-Bradley did it when they were a small shop. Why can't you?

>>96513061
>we can't produce wood cubes in Americaland because....?

>>96513065
>>96513072
Publishers have explained it a million times.

>>96513103
You can explain why ripping the bandaid off hurts all you want. You're still a bitch if you cry about it.

>>96513039
Let's say they were hit with extra costs on top of what they initially planned, to the point where it's not feasible to continue business. Is it not an option to go back to your backers and request extra funding? I've heard shit like this happening by other kicksharters.

>>96513105
Go tell them that. I'm sure they need your advice, little fag.

>>96513115
It's easier and more effective to tell my state and federal officials (elected) that they're doing the right thing :^)

>>96513124
Your "federal officials" are slaves to techbros and foreign countries. Enjoy!

>>96513139
What does this have to do with your failure to produce board games domestically?

>>96513143
Literally everything. Everything is connected in politics.

>>96513170
Ew. You should go back to /pol/

Wroth. Thoughts?

>>96513182
pretty
is it fun?

>>96513178
They love Trump there, that might be more your speed.

>>96513202
>overwrought no u response

>>96513208
ok trumptard

>>96513182
I know it's probably not, but this board and its sheets look so ai generated it's not even funny. Like a human is copying an ai art style wtf

>>96513455
At this point the only way to ensure your game isn't accused of having AI art is to make your boards look like GMT does

>>96513475
Did you even look at the board

>>96513495
No I had my AI assistant summarize your posts for me.

Of course I looked at the board anon.

>>96513455
yea it looks pretty bad. have you seen elder scrolls' maps? they look like vomit.

>>96513552
Isn't this the game that cost $160 new?

>>96513182
>>96513552
You really think these look at all comparable?

>>96513566
224 at gamenerdz or at chip theory's website. and you get maps that look like vomit and cum.

>>96513583
different levels of bad

>>96513598
You can say that about anything.

>>96513600
I'm sorry I broke your heart :(

>>96512053
Thank you doc!

>>96513033
Lane Battlers is not a genre. It's a mechanism and not a particularly popular one

>>96513664
I'm replying to your second question, Kowalski. Maybe learn to read English before posting here. Or should we post in Polish? Would that be more your speed?

>>96512053
I bet that envelope was completely full desu

>>96513675
I'm sorry Reiner but beside using lane battling, Air Land and Sea and Marvel Snap have little in common. Get that through your sauerkraut filled brain, you're not nearly as relevant as you hope you are.

>>96513690
Seethe more, Kowalski. No Polish rat will ever occupy his throne.

>>96513710
How does he do it

>>96513786 it’s the bow tie

>>96513786
He's the son of polish immigrants

At this point I am pretty sure the majority of this thread it a back and forth between these two anons

Maybe anon was right and there are just 3 of us

>>96513786
Some men are born chads. We can decide to admire them or seethe at them. Kowalski does the latter.

>>96512084
they sold wooden tokens for everything. there were two separate packs
insert: https://makerworld.com/en/models/24446-spirit-island-nature-incarnate-insert-all-other-ex#profileId-807987

>>96513710
>faggy looks
>faggy bowtie
>zero (0, nada, zilch) boardgaming impact

>>96513916
Seethe more, Kowalski.

>>96513934
Keep crying reiner

>>96509998
>game theme is all about how as helpless teens, you have to get the help of the adults to stop a tragedy
>Spaniards: What if everyone was a competent adult?

As an aside, I've seen US publishers state that if tariffs would again rise to over 100% chinese production would still be 'too competitively priced'
Funniest thing is how apparently a huge factory has been built in brazil, just at the time when brazil gets the tariffhammer

Maybe the mercosur agreement will unexpectedly bring something good

>>96514133
They changed production to Brazil to bypass the China tariffs lol should've chosen Canada or Mexico which have a trade deal with the US.

>>96514163
Mexico seems a bit volatile, in terms of tariffs as well as politically and canada is probably equally as expensive. Probably also has no established bg printing industry

>>96514169
Both of those countries are America's biggest trading partners and have tariffs lower than Brazil's. They export tons of products every day, not sure why their politics matter when Brazil has a literal commie as leader and is in BRICS. If they wanted America's market like they said they did (which is like 70% of their target audience), they kind of chose poorly. Not like it matters anyway.

I don't know about you lads but I'm fine if no new board games get manufactured for the next 5 to 10 years.

After being burnt by Monikers, should I get Anomia?
Looking for a fun, fast paced, but most importantly family friendly game for a pretty wide age gap without rudeness
Anomia seems to fit the bill but that's what I thought about Monikers

Is that the reason why board games all have desiccants in the components because they are manufactured in humid back countries

>>96514192
but int said LVLA was le trad

>>96514214
I found it was a bit shit because the implied fun thing where you yell wrong words or even nonwords out of stress didn't happen even once. That said I played it under circumstances that aren't really representative, 2p only and against a shit playet (my gf). Still, if a game is already boring before you finished your first game, it probably doesn't warrant further inspection.
Plus the game is like €10, you should just try it if it seems like something you guys would like

I also will very, very strongly recommend So Clover if your family is at least somewhat into word games

>>96514252
I always figured it was easier and cheaper to just throw in one in every single box instead of making a distinguishing which country said boxes will ship to

>>96514271
>making a distinguishing
Oh god it's not even lunchtine and I am already tired. You know what I mean

spirit island is fun

>>96514277
agreed sister, it's a powerful representation of BIPOC culture
btw just ignore how quinns is married to zoe quinn, propagator of gamergate

>>96514277
Yup, fuck whitey

>>96514199
Agreed
Id be fine with just reprints

>>96514277
>stabs a Ukrainian

>>96514291
still seething about waman lmao

What are some of "/bgg/ approved" games, games that you were recommended here and are generally liked here that turned out to be a dud, that did not work for you or your group.

>>96514717
/bgg/ has had a VERY high hitrate for me.
That said, Spirit island might be the best coop there is yet it doesn't solve any of the problems that come with the genre and thus we found it to be trash
GAH was just meh
Every non-historical game wehrle has put out I have hated with passion

What are some good word games that rely on vocabulary knowledge instead of retarded scrabble memo?

>>96514717
Mare Nostrum, despite me highly enjoying, was a dud with my gang.
Otherwise I'm having a hard time recalling any /bgg/ recs that missed.

>>96514796
I'd say improvisational games like codenames, So clover, decrypto and such

>>96514717
renature

>>96512085
I thought this game was godawful for how long it was. Am I the only one who didn't like it?

>>96515119
What didn't you like about it and what similar games have you played?

>never really crowdfunded anything sans spooktacular
>Follow this project for a free gift!
>Ok
>Project is launched
>"Free gift" is an additional 3 cards you can buy for $6
Absolute kek, is this how crowdfundlets have been rewarded the whole time?

>>96515268
I worded that poorly, it's a different campaign, not spooktacular

>>96508127
Marcus Ross worked on the Lord Of The Rings Adventure book game. He had some really cool prototypes at Origins the last time I went.

>>96514717
Pretty much every Wehrle game. I really like Root and Arcs and Pax Pamir, but everyone else in my group bounced off them hard.
>>96514796
Decrypto. A message from the stars has both scrabble memorization and vocabulary knowledge, but it's worse than decrypto.

>>96515408
>A message from the stars
I had this one confused with First Contact

>>96506198
A curious game

>/bgg/ snowflakes too sensitive for a bit of banter about spirit island
Get the fuck over yourself and back to le plebbit.

>>96514736
>Spirit island might be the best coop there is yet it doesn't solve any of the problems that come with the genre
What are the biggest problems that coops have?

It solves quarterbacking by having some hidden info and simply being a complex game where it's not feasible.

>>96514717
Bullet games fell completely flat in my group, nobody enjoyed them so I traded mine away.

>>96515901
Good to know. I got it but I haven't tried it with my group yet. I'm thinking it'd probably be best as a 1v1 mode anyways

>>96515872
>having some hidden info and simply being a complex game
What's the hidden info?
Also it's not that complex. An upgrade compared to pandemic.

>>96515931
The cards in each players hands. The problem is, it's hidden but trackable so not really hidden after all.
And I agree about the complexity, it's about as complex as playing Pandemic with the next 3 infection cards laid out.

>>96515975
>The cards in each players hands
Eh, like you said, it's really not hidden. You can just tell or show others the cards. In fact it's probably encouraged to strategize before each round.

>>96515872
redditors think quarterbacking is a group dynamics issue because they are retarded

>>96516154
>redditors think
Stopped reading here

>>96515872
>What are the biggest problems that coops have?
>It solves quarterbacking by having some hidden info and simply being a complex game where it's not feasible.
As the other anon said, there is no hidden info and I dislike anons pretending it is too complex to be analyzed. The main point is that it's one of the coops that asks how much time are you willing to invest. You can solve every difficulty by just investing enough time in the puzzle. And while that is not a criticism in itself, my problem is that solving it is honestly not fun. We beat england lvl10 in our 5th or so game and it was just exhausting and very long. I also don't consider quarterbacking a player issue but a game one, and the only way I have seen that taken care of effectively is by hiding information like in the crew.

>>96505064
I'd prefer Age of Innovation. The faction selection is more granular. The factions in Gaia Project are often have a single build order that is optimal and are not too well balanced. It's still a fun game, but the faction run-out early on can be frustrating.

>>96516244
I've said it many times, it's as wide as the ocean and as deep as a puddle. Once you analyze enough possible plays, the best one becomes obvious.
>>96516316
>The factions in Gaia Project are often have a single build
Not true at all, if you analyze the openings and their winrates, pretty much every faction has multiple ways to approach each game. The variable setup ensures that a single build order will not always be viable.

>>96514214
try word games like Decrypto, So Clover, Just One, and so on. Decrypto with a timer to make sure people dont overthink it is almost peak wordgaming, second only to cryptic crosswords and some solo only videogames

>>96505010 (OP)
any of you guys ever tried to make a board game?
Ive got an idea for one and I wanna try to make it
What kind of resources did you use to make it?

>>96516154
Seems very true. I've never quarterbacked because we don't play coops, but what is the reasoning in maligning quarterbacking? I get it that it's shit if someone is convinced doing something stupid is the correct move, or is an asshole about it, but that is the player being a faggot. If, however, the game degrades into player x is always the quickest to find a solution, I'm not having fun how is that not a game problem; should he keep quiet to, idk, not be a quarterbacker?

I quarterback competitive games.

the vast majority of boardgames that have come out are manually processed computer games. I don't understand the appeal

I bareback solo games.

Any games about being a janitor or doing it for free?

>>96516331
That's the case for some factions, but there's still usually only a handful of "correct" build orders based on the game setup. I'm not autistic enough to study the meta that hard, and I'd rather have a sense that everyone at the table is making due with the available options rather than spamming a build order they found on the Gulag.

>>96516492
Ok

>>96516492
not really though

>>96516644
Each faction has between 3 and 5 viable openings that leave them on average with +/- 10% of the same score. The optimal ones usually require a specific board set up and can't be pulled off consistently.
In a heavy engine builder like GP, where your options rely heavily on how well you've been doing up to that point, acting like you should be able to do whatever you want on turn one and still get a good score regardless seems to miss the point of the genre. If you're against using the best opening for your situation from a limited pool of good ones, I don't think engine builders are for you.

What is the best tech-tree game?
Not necessary the main par of the game, like in Beyond the sun but an important part of the game.

>>96516875
Infernal Machine: Dawn of Submarine Warfare

>>96516492
As opposed to what? Dexterity games?

>>96516492
Have you heard of socialization? Community? Are you familiar with the concept of friendship?

>>96516492
>the vast majority of boardgames that have come out are manually processed computer games. I don't understand the appeal
Gloomhaven is just a video game in physical form. I also don't get the appeal.

>>96516492
>I don't understand the appeal
It's the same appeal of reading a book rather than having chatGPT summarize it for you.

>>96517019
No one understands the appeal of Gloomhaven but it still sells well all the same.

>>96516492
Nah just Vlaada shit and kickstarter trash

This board games / videogames constant comparison is so tiring.
Do ttrpgfags also encounter this? something like "heh, D&D, Pathfinder, GURPs and whatever are so lame, they're like MMORPGs but worse"?
I still play videogames but the experience is completely different from playing boardgames... even solo (I don't solo, I two-three hand games, but that's all the same)

>>96516331
Spirit Island is far from a shallow game. Your complaint could be applied as a blanket to any board game, but it doesn't seem to apply to Spirit Island for me. Different Spirits value things radically differently for one thing, and adversaries cause you to value different things as well. And it is not an all or nothing thing where you must go 100% in a direction because of the spirit or adversary you have to modulate and adjust based on the power cards you draft.
Speaking of the power cards arrive in so many possible combinations with many unique effects that even after playing it dozens and dozens of times I still find myself using powers I have not used before or finding new utilities and combos. Because you do not know what cards are coming up next (most notably power but also event and fear) you can't judge 100% the value of any given decision.

>>96513182
It's alright, it's nothing special.
Art is cool but the mechanics and such just make it alright. I can see why someone LOVES it but it just doesn't have anything unique and DOAM games are a really tough genre anyways since the best have already been made it feels like.

>>96513589
>>96513566
>>96513552
Elder Scrolls is GOATED sorry you got filtered

>>96517403
Elder Scrolls is way too easy

>>96516358
Yes, I have 2 completely novel mechanics ,but I'm having trouble settling on a theme, and am so clueless about development that if I put something out there someone would easily beat me to market.

>>96517626
If it's mechanically solid and near complete, publisher and/or developers will do that for you

>>96517626
what are the mechanics? maybe we could brainstorm you the theme so the two click together

>>96514717
>What are some of "/bgg/ approved" games, games that you were recommended here and are generally liked here that turned out to be a dud, that did not work for you or your group.
Spirit island for me. The two other in the group seem to like it but it fell flat for me,
Also Modern art. I guess I just don't care for auctions.

>>96517590
What? It'll be interesting to see if the game will get praised and have a lasting appeal when it becomes widely available.

Speaking of bgg taste, most seem to like games with simple rules and meaningful decisions. Splotter games, Hansa T, Knizias,...

Is there a game with "bloat" that you enjoy? A game with extra rules, mechanism upon mechanisms etc, but for some reason you it just works.

>>96518073
The games I've played with clear bloat or unharmonious mechanics (Rising Sun, Chaos in the Old World, Nemesis) are also games I've tired of after a <6 plays.

>>96518073
Is War of the Ring considered bloated?
Either way, I enjoy it after three games.

>>96514717
Merchants and Marauders was popular here at one point and the one time I tried it was one of the most boring board game experiences of my life.

>>96518052
>>Just wanted to share that a prototype is done after much playtesting and a rulebook written. The publisher is working on art, graphic design, etc. There was an original plan to make an announcement at Gencon, but due to tariffs and other instabilities in the industry, an announcement has been pushed to a later convention. I've been told that this shouldn't push the actual campaign date as long as the world doesn't explode. Fingers crossed!
>>Welcome to the discord server for the Forbidden Stars redux, currently going under the codename. There are currently two versions of the game in development, each by different publishers. One is a hard sci-fi version set in a new IP that I have been creating codenamed Fractured Skies. The other is a more fantastical sci-fi version set in a long established IP codenamed Foreboding Suns.

>>96517403
>Elder Scrolls is GOATED sorry you got filtered
I'm talking about the shitty looking maps. The game is good.

>>96517099
So does Monopoly. Most people have shit taste

>>96517116
This is Cole Wehrle's review on Mage Knight. He liked it at first and gave it a 8.5 and then ended up with:
>Well 5 plays later my feelings are starting to cool. Once players know what they are doing much of the games charm starts to wear off. It's still a good game but it's hardly a replacement for Magic Realm. Vlaada's procedural puzzles just don't interest me. Down to a 7.5.

>>96518445
>The other is a more fantastical sci-fi version set in a long established IP codenamed Foreboding Suns.
Dune? Star Wars? Star Trek? they are fantastical compared to hard sci-fi.

Unpopular opinion incoming. Risk is actually pretty fun

>>96518549
In what way is it fun anon?

>>96518073
Argent the consortium
>Worker placement where workers can have different properties (fast placing, shoot other workers, be immune to shots...)
>Your character has spells
> The worker placement will allow you to buy/upgrade spells & magical items, or the mana to cast spells
> The game's economy heavily depends on the variable rooms
> Even just the rooms' order has an influence on the economy
And I am too lazy to talk about the hidden victory "points" conditions and round ending mechanic. It is bloated and it is glorious.

>>96518073
Zoo Tycoon: the Board Game

>>96518555
Its mechanics are so simple that it turns purely into a bluffing/diplomacy game

>>96518724
Wanted to give this a try, how long would you say the teach is?

>>96518846
It is surprisingly easy to learn & teach :
Basically each turn you place a worker, or play a object or a spell, or take a bell card.
Then the round ends when the last bell card is taken, and the rooms' effects apply.
Most of the special rules come from the text on the cards. (So, spells & objects)

>>96518249
I’m curious, what do you consider bloated about Chaos in the Old World?

>>96518846
Nta, but the teach is pretty straightforward and comperatively short, but the vast part of the rules is externalized and on the cards. Meaning you'll flip over spells, supporters, items, mages etc and then read all of that shit (some of it will likely be a pain to comfortably read because the game tends to sprawl). Now that all said it's fucking fantastic

>>96518865
>>96518922
Thanks, anons. Sounds fun

>*slides you a card*
This is a stinkbug

>>96519109
Oh, dam, good card.
>*rolls dice*
Okay, I'll take the wheat and worm and use them to play this.
>*puts down red-backed fairywren
that should take of that.

>>96519109
>anon only ever calls stinkbug when hes up two cockroaches
I call. Not a stinkbug.

>>96518890
NTA but peasant are useless 90% of the time, greater demons are useless with one exception, greater demon and warrior upgrades are largely pointless, there's a lot of that stuff in CitOW. It's still one of my favorite games ever.

>>96519109
Yeah, I'll believe you.
*Hands bioluminescent african american the card*
It's a stinkbug.

>>96517755
So if I've got the whole thing fleshed out and all the mechanics and everything, all I have to do is try to find a publisher willing to make it and work out a deal with them? How do I know they won't just rape me of my idea?

>>96519289
Your original post implies you haven't even prototyped or playtested it with randos so not sure how it's fleshed out

>>96519294
I'm just thinking hypothetically because I think my idea is pretty good, and if I prototype it and play test it and everything, like what then? I was either thinking of making it a video game which could work well, or a board game, which could also work well. I think the board game would be easier because I already spent weeks trying to make the pixel art for it, and it's not even like 1% of the required pixel art I'd end up needing, so I'm thinking a board game might be easier in that regard, since maybe I could just find an artist or maybe a publisher would do that for me. I'm not an artist, so video game or board game, the art is going to be a problem for me. I also spent like a year trying to code the game and I made good progress, but still, there is a long way to go, so I'm thinking maybe a board game would just be easier to make than a video game
It's an idea I've had for several years that I really want to see come to fruition, and honestly, I hate coding, so I think I'd rather try to make it as a board game

>>96519318
>like what then?
You try to sell the design to publishers and if a publisher wants it they put you with one of their developers to finalize the game.
The developer handles all of the details to take your design from a working prototype to a manufacturable product. This includes getting art assets, laying out the printed components, sourcing non-printed components (meeples, etc.), finalizing the rulebook, and whatever else.
If you bring any of that to the publisher ahead of time their developer may throw it out the window. The only thing you as a designer are necessarily providing is the gameplay.

>>96519318
As someone who started in your position about 3 years ago, just make a videogame and reduce the scope so it's actually feasible for you to make it. I'm about 6 months (Generous estimate) off from publishing my first vidya and I've never been able to reach the point with a physical game where I've been confident enough in the design to take it to a publisher.

Basically what happens is you need to actually prototype the game, find playtesters, playtest and get feedback and then repeat that cycle about 100-ish times iterating on the game each time to get the game to a point where publishers wouldn't spot the game as an amateur unpolished design (and even then they'll want to do further dev and changes from it then). Even getting to the point a publisher is then actually interested is sort of like playing a lottery where you have to hope one doesn't just come up with some random stupid reason they don't want to publish it (They do this for even established game designers sometimes so it doesn't necessarily get easier).

>>96519318
>>96519457
Also the entire tabletop industry and boardgaming especially is in a weird bubble at the moment that will probably burst by the time you've finished working on this unless you do it full-time. There are currently waaaay too many fucking games being published, I currently go to a game store once a week that manages to have a completely different set of games every quarter, with most of this stock ending up on clearance sale by the end of it. They can barely manage to keep actual tried and tested games on the shelves because there is so much new slop coming in from the distributor.

Once this finally pops do you really think any publisher is going to be interested in whatever your game is? Is it even in a genre that any publisher would already be interested in? I don't wanna just shit on your idea before even hearing about it but a lot of the games I do see that are in development are already unpublishable/only borderline that they always end up going down some crap self-publishing route that ends up basically scamming people that don't know any better into buying a shit underbaked game that no-one except the designer ever really wanted or needed

>tfw wife just slaughtered us in TGZ like 20 minutes into the game
Im not even mad.

>>96519457
Does it work the same with video games? Like the problem for me is the art, I'm not an artist, I don't like doing art, and I don't want to spend like a year or two or three making pixel art for my game
Would I just find a video game publisher and they'd do all that for me

>>96519520
No, with videogame the publisher expects you to either have an artist yourself or have done all the art. Same with music, if you look at balatro for example the publisher was not even willing to fund any additional music or art for the game, they just provide advertising and marketing p much. On the positive side a videogame publisher will usually reimburse you for the hours spent making the game, boardgame publishers do not do this as far as I have ever heard/seen, only provide royalties at the end (About 4 percent of money on each sale).

At least with videogames you do not need a publisher to actually publish it for you to have any real success, you can just bung the game on steam and market it yourself. As I said, if you are solo developing then you should be working on ideas that are actually feasible to do solo, not something that would take you three years to do the art for. (If it would require that much art physically too then publishers may bat the idea away because the investment of art is too high compared to possible initial rake on release).

>>96519565
Thanks

>>96519506
How did that happen?

>>96519506
Lol, what a pussy. I guess we know who wears pants in that relationship.

>>96518724
this game was notorious for being a table hog. Considering the spread of modern games is this still the case - does it still require so much space compared to other big popular games?
I assume there is no easy solution for this like a card stand for FCM?

I can't believe I didn't realize until I bought the rest how absurdly expensive this one expansion to Resident Evil 2 is. The game probably sucks, yes, I'm sure you who are happy to inform me this are right, but I still want that one little piece that completes it.

But it's impossible to find at prices below $400, and will continue to drag on my mind because of it. Ah, well. I could always sell what I have of the game to someone else.

>>96518747
>Zoo Tycoon: the Board Game
What do you like about it? I know of it but never heard anyone say anything about it.

Gonna try and play Mushroom Sort next time with the boys.

>>96519709
NTA but usually that's Xango, one primary craftsman for income, and a board where your opponents refused to create bottlenecks because they didn't want the extra VR from secondary craftsmen.

>>96519878
There is no possible solution with the current implementation of the game without annoying indexing and compartmentalising the game in a bad way.
>>96519886
I saw mentions over the last month. So read closer or lurk more; that said: Zoo Tycoon is what everyone's wife thought Ark Nova would be—a game where you manage a zoo and this and the zoo animals are the focus rather than a race to combo out with your 5s and chicken enclosure and elephants and eagles.

Is Gloomhaven fun?

>>96520155
If you find tedious shit fun, yes. If you find pseudo-video games in board game form fun, yes.

>>96520155
Don't pay for it. Anon is right, it's basically a video game so you're losing very little by simply playing for free on TTS

>>96520155
>>96520234
>>96520318
I beat Gloomhaven, and Jaws of the Lion
You're going to use an app to track a lot of the tedious shit anyways, so really just play Digital or on TTS

it's a great game but they really needed to make shit less tedious in Frosthaven, not more tedious.

>>96519886
I love how thematic it is. having to micromanage 4 happiness tracks for each major species in your zoo is a bit fiddly, but overall the experience is really satisfying and fun for me. the admin eventually becomes second nature, but teaching new players can be a pain due to the simultaneous nature of play. the actual spacial and economic puzzle is genuinely good shit, and again it's just so much more thematic than Ark Nova. it feels like an actual Tycoon game instead of just another euro

>>96519878
I'd say it takes about as much space as the average modern heavy game, with no way to comfortably and reliably reduce its footprint on the table as the other Anon said.
However the great thing about it is that it fits a standard box. (Without the expansion, and with the expansion if you are not anal about closing the box 100%)

>>96520600
I meant pushing the lid 100%, pardon my ESL.

once again i must demand a reprint of Oracle of Delphi

>>96520943
Redpill me on it, I recently saw it on the secondary market for €40 and remembered anons liking it

>>96520954
shoulda snatched it up
I won't go too deep into it since you can try for free on Yucata, but the dice manipulation rondel is a lot of fun. you need to plan an efficient route optimizing for a number of different objectives. there are asymmetric player powers, god abilities to deploy at the right time, and the map setup can be super different every time. always a really tense race - turns out Feld doesn't need victory points after all

>>96520967
Oh it's still there
Huh a feld without vp is very intriguing (if I understood that correctly) but I've acquired quite the backlog last month

Had an interesting situation where factory building in turn order mattered in Horseless Carriage.
We were playing with 4 and 2 players were having a big fight for planning depts, player A would only want to place 1 more planning dept only if player B wouldn't place any more planning depts, so we got into kind of a stalemate until I pretty much forced player A (better engineering than B) to "lock in" their factory before player B took the decision. Player A ended up placing 2 planning depts just to be sure and it did ended up screwing player B from securing engineering next round lol.

From the SUSD review I thought this would make the other players basically have to reorganize their entire building for the turn but ended up pretty seamless, nowhere near as bad as SUSD implied it to be, was actually pretty tense from watching player A sweat bullets about where to place this extra planning dept just so he wouldn't get screwed.

>>96521377
>I thought this would make the other players basically have to reorganize their entire building for the turn
That can happen if the engineering-focused players snab the final copy of a tech station after the player later in turn order has already placed it and built around it.
But that's a rare situation. And when it happens the sales-focused player has a lot of rearranging to do but I wouldn't go as far as to say everything they've built for the turn.

>>96521377
>I thought this would make the other players basically have to reorganize their entire building for the turn
That can happen if the engineering-focused player snabs the final copy of a tech station after the player later in turn order has already placed it and built around it.
But that's a rare situation. And when it happens the sales-focused player has a lot of rearranging to do but I wouldn't go as far as to say everything they've built for the turn.

Looking for mid/heavy 1v1 games. Is pic related good? I must admit the theme is not that interesting to me, but I'd be interested to hear about the game if anyone here has played it.

>>96521737
>mid/heavy 1v1 games
>labyrinth
I haven't tried that one but I've played A Few Acres of Snow recently and it's pretty good! I think it's on the mid/light end

>>96521750
Why you meme arrowing me? It's just about equally as heavy as Twilight Struggle.

>A Few Acres of Snow
Not for sale in my country unfortunately, but thanks for the rec.

>>96506147
It's a hippie dippie feely cyoa on 5000 cards

>>96521833
i was quoting not meme arrowing, my bad

>>96521737
>I must admit the theme is not that interesting to me
What sort of theme are you looking for? I can rattle off a few historical 1v1s that might fit the bill

>>96521737
heavier than Twilight Struggle, and even better than it. There's a digital version of it on mobile and steam that's worth checking out before you buy the whole game

>>96520155
Gloomhaven should've been a videogame
Figuring out enemy movement is wack
People just do the best they can, but it's wrong like 10-20% of the time

>>96522128
>but it's wrong like 10-20% of the time
But if it's consistent does it honestly matter? I don't think so

>>96522128
it's a resilient game though. Getting movement 80% right doesn't fundamentally break the game the 20% of the time you get it wrong, which is better than most dungeon crawlers.

Hello and welcome to my blog. Treasure of the Dwarves is pretty good. Maybe great? Some would say great. Everyone takes turns auctioning cards from their hands. You can only look at one bid at a time in secret and if you reject it, you can't go back and change your mind. If you win a card, it goes out your display in front of you. There's some set collection and stuff for scoring. Thank you for your attention on this matter.

>>96521377
HC is seriously underrated

>>96522171
Eh, perhaps
It's hard to say how an individual case would play out
But my sense is that groups probably tend to err on the side of what's favorable to them, lowering difficulty

>>96522384
No it's just /bgg/core

>>96522384
Is it worth the $30-40 I see it selling for? I wonder if prices will go even lower

fresh bread for you degens
>>96522428
>>96522428
>>96522428

>>96522384
It really is, such a brilliant design. The table space abd fiddliness of the components sadly is a deterrent for most.

>>96522394
it already went down from the 70 bucks it costed. I paid 100 in total and it's still worth it

>>96522617
How many tables do I need? I have a 5x3 table, and can create a side table that would add like another 3x3 at one end of the table, so only reachable/visible by the two people at that end.

>>96522666
pic rel is a 3p game, any more than thay you'll probably need a third medium sized table