Thread 96507312

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>>96507332
fin.

Peak incoming. Tankista who? Entropistanon who?

>>96507352
blue

>>96507312 (OP)
Can someone compile the builds for this?

>>96507441
>Sage + New and Old
>Sage + New and Old
>Sage + New and Old
>Sage + New and Old

>>96507441
In chronological order.
1 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#96494061
2 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#96494853
3 Ultimate Manipulator: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#96494973
4 https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96487358#96495090
5 Wild Hunt: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#96499342
6 Giant of Nature: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#96506102
7 Techlord: https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/96497495#96506525

>>96507474
Who wins pvp?

>>96507470
It turned out, that a dude with a machine gun which can see the invisible was more powerful than a dude with a literal longbow who has above average eyesight (see : Archer). Flummoxing, I know

>>96507352
Yellow

>>96507470
Having guns, airplanes, missiles, napalm, etc while still having magic is extremely strong, especially so if the enemies have only medieval era tech.
The other isekai dark overlord CYOA made that option cost like 4 points for a reason.

>>96507708
It cost two points in IDO too, but it also had a slow ramp-up and required actual inventing, so it was mostly picked by people unable to read.

>>96507733
So you can get a LOT of Threads if you just turn some "minor countries" into Tokland.
I hate the fact that interactives hide options until you select other stuff so much.

Rolled 1, 1, 3, 1, 2, 1 = 9 (6d3)

>>96507312 (OP)
Finally, some more kino. I'm going to make a build for this, but first, I'll leave which Archdemons' minions I have to deal with up to chance. Rolls are left-to-right in sequential order.

>>96507744
Slow ramp-up is not too relevant if your kingdom can endure, plus you've got infinite retries unless you manage to somehow screw up very badly. You have to try hard to place yourself in an unsalvageable situation in that CYOA.

>>96507470
It's your own planet Earth, full of people that miss modern technology for every possible reason, why wouldn't you want to keep the same things that you and everyone else loves?

>>96507777
>You have to try hard to place yourself in an unsalvageable situation in that CYOA.
lmao you underestimate the depth of skill issues that anons have, they were bawling about the difficulty when the update was released

>>96507754
…Where is that? I have never seen a so called divine history choice wtf.

>>96507804
From my testing, you'll need to select any Lewder Sights choice, plus World: Cursus Honorum. Then, it'll show up.

>Bullets do nothing against anything that's not a jobber
>Spend 50 years making a nuke only so it gets stolen and used against you
Techfags lost

Can you just God Hand x2 for curse resistance or immunity and then Grim Outlook for free Gift equipment for your allies by giving them the God Hand x2 curse resistance?

>>96507845
Ok, so then by that logic, Archers and Regular-tier shitters without tech are even more useless, because they're still useless against the non-jobbers, and on top of that, can't even have the decency of clearing out the jobber hordes fast enough you can deal with the rest of their bullshit.

>>96507845
Why would I even need a nuke?
Just throw radioactive waste through the portal, and they, not knowing what it is, will have their lifespans halved by the funny rock

>>96507936
I really don't think that demons are weak to radiation poisoning. These are evil spirit demons that probably don't even have genes.

>>96507954
They almost certainly have delicate processes in there somewhere which may be harmed by a sudden and uneven addition of energy
Most of them seem to be particularly advanced and all systems, robotic and biological, become weak to radiation when they need a complex store of data (Both dna and mechanical stores fall to this, but smarter computers may encrypt their info in ways that protects against this)

>>96507936
They don't even have vitals anon, radiation will be 100000000x more deadly to humans than to them, you're just giving them ammo.

>>96507979
>the fantastical magical beings must follow these rules of real life biology and robotics
kek, do techfags really?

https://imgchest.com/p/5xy22anpnyl
https://rentry.org/outer_reincarnation_information

>Chronological Build List
A Hero of Justice https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479399
Moonman https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459760
Wanderer above the Sea of Fog https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480941
Speedster Spider https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412603
Demonic Nightmare Maker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493315
The Black Messiah (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430522
Flagellant Gambler https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96411399
The Jötunnsdrottninggen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381145
Ithyl Twynis https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96381847
Y'Sereth, King among Kings https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382717
Queen of Mamet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96378482/#96382899
Orkhalorkhan https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415856
Father of the Paracausal Arts https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452392
The Wandering Professor (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96428837
Vëe the Dream Librarian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96393021
Demon King of the Dead (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96386307/#96391919
Krinak, Syn Ufroka https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399372
The Book of the Damned https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96426011
Ҁ Ф ʌ https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96467167
Faina Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447556
Unnotable Lich https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479706
Escher https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96395910
Foolish Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96398017
Vai https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96399427
Mer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96392972/#96400248

>>96507991
If they don't have internal processes what would a 2cm hole do to them?
Why cut them apart if they can just stick back together?
If they don't have vitals they can only be killed by magic, in which case, just bless the radiation and move on

>>96508006
Aurum Arc the Golden Finger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96400560
Red Drakonid (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96429221
King of The Exarchate (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96416022
Qarg the Conqueror https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404302
Son of Man (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96395536/#96404724
The Inquisitor https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96406963
Ultimate Scholar (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407218
Student https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407496
The Return of the King (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96407523
Liriel, The Veilbreaker https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96451577
Balrog the Emerald King https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427173
One-Woman Band https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412498
Ellavan "Ella" Aureole (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96406340/#96412568
Ren, Demon Lord of SRTR https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415916
HeWillWin https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96414214/#96415920
Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96427458
Zyneheart https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96423015
Numerological Demon Lord https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96447883
Manusya, the Unwritten https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96425679
Fir Dahort https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96422333/#96428141
Warlord (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96430436
Liadan - Unbegotten Dreamer https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96463819
He`el https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96426634/#96431341
Rozir, the Vagabond King of Hexen https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445292
Neophyte Sevastian https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96445422

>>96508012
Avi - Demonic Dragon Sage https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96440992/#96446382
The Silk Matron https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96452816
The White Prophet https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96447166/#96454351
Led https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96458991
Aphainoumenos, Last Demon Prince https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96459966
Ars Goetia https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96454608/#96461924
Thaumaradrak https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96468757/#96471990
Valar https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96459503/#96471461
Prince Aureole https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96477816
Rap God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96479391
Common Man https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480067
Alfrent (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96473313/#96480079
Aera https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482056
Illior of the Doria (Lone) https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96482585
Godslayer Punchardt https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96487671
Lady, the Academy Meister https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96478474/#96485991
The Curse Slinger https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493657
Fu'uq, the Pixie Bomber https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96487358/#96493201
Paxtinger, Dragon God https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/96497495/#96503070

I'm so tired of Outer Reincarnation

I'm so tired of life

>>96508035
Perhaps something you have brought with you is weighing you down?
If you expect nothing then you can do nothing

>>96508006
There's nothing wrong with using your free True Love if your build and plans are already good, you're just worried about being sassed for having a waifu. You have most likely already bought the non-romantic love of your compatriots unless you were pulling a Sarmat, furthermore, romantic love is not any more special than any other kind of love, it is just a friendship that involves sex. The whole rest of the page makes it obvious that Charlie is just a sophist. Why not make it 100% clear on which NPC is wife, or husband material?

>>96508059
>It is just friendship that involves sex
LAME!
If you think like this you are not capable of love and will need to be corrected hard by 12th

>>96508059
>romantic love is not any more special than any other kind of love, it is just a friendship that involves sex
that's the most gay thing I've read in this thread and that's counting softieposting

>>96508092
What is softieposting?

>>96508059
All kinds of love are the same.

>>96508128
Based and true

>>96507754
Time to make use of this.

What’s your interpretation of Hand of Infinity and Sunstride?

>>96508034
Manusya's Autoantecedence is implied but not spelled out by his description.
>What remains of Manusya is no longer a man but a principle: the hand that unravels tropes, the silence that denies epilogues, the corrosion that strips stories of their false promise.

>>96508177
Who cares. If it's not spelled explicitely, it's absent for the purpose of the list.

>>96508176
One helps you cheat at cards and the other makes you walk faster
You'll never guess which is which

>>96508176
If the author doesn't know, how can we?

>>96508176
>Hand of Infinity
Something about copying statuses or objects.
>Sunstride
Get a boost when basked in sunlight.

>>96507936
>>96507954
This reminds me of how demons in the Might and Magic series are just aliens from another dimension who want to invade the setting because their own world is a radioactive blasted shithole and they're desperate to get out.

>>96508196
Use your imagination. You're not a slave FACTS and LOGIC right anon?

>>96508128
I can't believe that dummy Stella thinks she can get all of her sisters to be a happy family again after what this one did.

>>96508128
That's the kind of retard that True Love their siblings.

Would you agree Icon of Icons would be more meaningful/soulful if it ONLY had gave the bonus from mass appeal, not from true friends?
That way, it would be more niche, wouldn't be an obvious pick for most builds.

>>96508258
No I would feel the opposite
Friendship is cool, being a superstar is lame

>>96508241
Anon... that's definitely someone whose siblings did not love her, and someone who enjoys aggressively loving them despite their struggles. The opposite of an outsider who applies True Love.

>>96508176
>Hand of Infinity
Perhaps it lets you continue counting as touching something after letting go? From a design perspective, it can't just be a range extension as that would overlap too much with the four-point Far Graze. A caster version that lets you remotely cast spells could also be interesting.
>Sunstride
Just saying it might be a bonus in sunlight is boring, so I will claim that it is a reverse of Shadow Footwork and moves you to where you would have next stepped to avoid attacks.

>>96508258
I disagree, the annoying part of the line "This Gift makes it so you are as many times powerful as many close friends you have" is that the degree of bonus is far too good, not the type.

>>96508261
The problem with that is that almost everyone makes friends, that's not niche at all. Every gift should be worth picking within a niche and not universally. The friendship thing could work with some further qualifier, but I'm not sure what that could be.

>>96508006
"GET IN THE FUCKING ROBOT, KETER" build

>patron
YMRD

>Reincarnation
Male
Halfbreed = -2DP/-2AP
Dice Fudge [Keter] = free
Adoption(x2) = -2DP
Extra Mentor(x2) = -1DP/-2AP
Extra Companion(x3) -4DP/-2AP
Untimeskip(x3)[All mentors except Jdan] = -6DP
Outer Tide

>Parents
Maiosara Yesod + Vadim Sacro-Ionian = free
Keter -5DP
"One" -1DP/-1AP

>Race
Muddish/Southlander = +4AP/+2DP, +1 mentor, +1 companion

>Languages
Everman
Palatiner = +6DP for each companion slot
Drakonian = +2AP for location
Entramithraic = +Zhivete
Quietened = +21DP
Tutored(x2)[Eirina, Feodwra] = -2DP

>Location
Mountains of Autumn = DKMDV, +2DP

>Gifts
Intelligence
Noble Inclination
Royal Claim
Warmachina Mounting
Hybrid Disease
Bitter Sickness = +4AP
Wereplague(x2) = +4AP
Misalliance[Maiosara Yesod] = +14AP
Everlasting = -3DP/-3AP
Ethereal Beauty = -1AP
Thoroughbreding = -1AP
Cognitive Speed = -2AP
Memory Retention = -2AP
Wisdom = -2AP
Attentiveness = -2AP
Spiritual Feel = -2AP
Caster Intuition = -2AP
Flowing Gait(x2) = -2AP
God Hand(x3) = -3AP
Autoantecedence = -5AP
Icon of Icons = -5AP
All-Glimpse = -5AP

>Mentors (3)
Jdan = free
Arsak = 2DP
Eirina of the Orthrung (tutored Everman) = -3DP
Feodwra (tutored Everman) = -4P

>Companions (6)
Brastat, Syn Rarruta = -2DP
Oko Shtorma = -4DP
YMRD = -5DP/-5AP
Omega = free
empty(x3)

>Encounters
Never Alone -1DP/-1AP (Jdan)
Upward Spiral (Arsak)
Let the Purgation Begin (Eirina)
To be at War (Feodwra)
In My Machine Spirit (Brastat)
On Sick Leave (Omega)

A Bridge, a toll, a troll +1DP/+2AP
A Score of Orcs +2DP/+2AP

>Deaths
Me = Buki
Maiosara Yesod (C) = Slovo + Yee -1DP
Vadim Sacro-Ionian (A) = Her'v' + Zemlya -1DP
Keter (A) = Zelo+Zhivete
Jdan (C) = Greater Yus
Arsak (C) = Tsy
Eirina (C) = Lesser Yus
Feodwra (C) = Shta+Zhivete
Brastat, Syn Rarruta (C) = Ouk
Oko Shtorma (C) = Iotated Greater Yus
Omega (W) = Ot -5DP

>Youth
Magic
Leadership
Power Testing
Other(making mechs)

>>96508059
>He needs True Love to woo his waifu
Absolute jobber, you won't survive Charlie's onslaught

>>96508296
>He needs to give his wife a ring
Whoah

>>96508258
It's the other way around, it is the gift of hope and requires people close to you who seriously believe in you, the faceless masses are just a tiny bonus in comparison. If it were so strong anyone with it would have conquered the world already and Charlie doesn't count since she has no friends now.
Regardless, while obviously a very strong option, it was never really so dominant. This idea that any build without it is worthless literally came around just the other day. People were very happy to ignore it before if it didn't fit their builds.

>>96508289
>Youth
>Other(making mechs)
This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript). Making Warmachina is a lost art, at best you can inherit one or have some chance of producing them with that one Dwarf guy. If you wanna build them, you'll have to do it without Fate's aid.

>>96508258
Yeah absolutely not, getting boosted by friendship is way cooler than just being loved by the faceless crowd.

>>96507312 (OP)
I just want to say that this CYOA triggered a very profound spiritual/mental moment for me.
Thank you author, very cool!

>>96508316
>This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript)
... but that's what most of (theoretical) magic study is

>>96508289
>Misalliance Maiosara and Keter Adoption
If your idea is to go full mech why do you even want so many points.

>>96508331
NTA but you can never go wrong with too many points

>>96508338
Can't agree, having too many points makes me neurotic.

>>96508326
It's not exactly the same thing, but kinda.
Also, the "Other" Youth option doesn't even guarantee you'll succeed at the thing you want to do, learning how to make mechs out of nowhere is pretty much gonna fail everytime. You are not Vtorusha.

Keter trick was cool when it was discovered, now it's fucking overused and suffers from Meaning devaluation.

>>96508326
Half the new builds are meaningless powergamers, none can play without Keter adoption.

>>96508304
Yeah I don't know why someone is suddenly trying to argue it's too good/too obviously picked. It's not something that's in every build, you are almost only seeing it from Zwa or Iwnn builds (which are rare this version) or more rarely from people who want to start with a royal claim in another kingdom choosing to buy it. It's not some kind of meta centralizing option, like how most mage builds go for All-Glimpse.

>>96508352
Stop crying about your subpar build.
>>96508349
So you don't want every advantage you can against Charlotte? Your loss.

>>96508338
What does All-Glimpse add to that build other than generic good eyes, or Icon of Icons when there's not that many companions or choices to go for several friends. It just looks like another shopping list with no central theme other than get what's considered the best.

>>96508375
No meaning, will die once outside of Fate's protection

>>96508381
All-Glimpse is described as being "invaluable" to Magic users. So whatever it does, it's very good for them.

>>96508304
I skipped it in the past since I felt it's not an especially strong thematic fit, and I'm certainly not saying other builds are worthless (Daemonhost seems much more OP to me) but "This Gift makes it so you are as many times powerful as many close friends you have" is a great fit for almost all builds who aren't very tight on points. My problem isn't so much that it's too "good", it's that it's too "nicheless".

>>96508322
It's named Icon of Icons, and it derives from the cult leader Mithra, so it's thematically more "power of being an icon" than "power of friendship". That's why I'd go for that.

But same question for you as for >>96508261 , if you want to emphasize the friendship aspect, how do you make it more than a generic pick for anyone who is going to have friends (ie almost all builds)? Lower power as >>96508274 mentions isn't really the solution, it doesn't make it much more niche.

>>96508289
>Misalliance[Maiosara Yesod]
Has anyone ever taken Maiosara and not Misalliance her or are her inborn gifts just that bad?

>>96508409
The Curse Slinger, one of the latest build.

>>96508400
I'm gonna direct you to >>96508354
You come across like someone who is either trying to manifest problems so you have something to complain about, or else you just feel 'compelled' to put it in your build but don't want ti, so you're trying to argue it should be changed so you don't feel that autistic compulsion anymore.

>>96508409
Her inborn gifts are actually really good, for a martial build. Just not a lot of those.

>>96508388
Minmaxxing is my Meaning. Sorry you need handholding to win lol.

>>96508436
>minmaxxing is meaning
Only if you wanna job like Erginter, then sure, enjoy living for less than 200 years.

>>96508396
All-Glimpse makes the whole adventure a very dull experience. Sure you will get an easier time casting spells but you will have to deal with the constant narration in your head while also being unable to sleep. It's great if your build makes real use of it, but as a generic option for a mage you can just go double Starsight

>>96508349
I prefer Thaumiel trick now. A high elven fay bilingual start in Dis with some orc encounters is 35 DP 35AP with 5 mentors and 3 companions not including high elven bonus from companions like Eirina, Keter, Omega, Rhucuphre.

>>96508448
I personally have a sneaking suspicion that having All-Glimpse makes achieving Ascension more difficult, since it's sabotaging your ability to accrue Meaning.

>>96508289
quest, E Nomine

>god hand x3
allows me to change the effect of my permanent blessing and apply permanent blessings

>explanation
The idea here is to bring back warmachina. Then I can defeat 0^0 with the power of friendship and superior firepower.
I chose YMRD because I am changing the genre of the story to Mecha and it would be rude not to. The build relies on nudging fate into favorable directions, which YMRD could help with.

To that end, I have given Ouk to Brastat. My hope is that he gets so good at making warmachina that he ascends to godhood.
I have given Oko Shtorma Iotated Greater Yus so that she can become an even better mech.
Jdan gets Greater Yus, so maybe I can reignite his hope for the future. Never Alone hopefully means that Jdan knows how important I will be in the future and has chosen to come help me.
Eirina and Feodwra are good to have around, and time magic/numerology would be great to add to mechs. Omega because YMRD has plans for her.
I'm doing the Keter trick for points but also to redeem her.
One might be able to help me with warmachina. He knew Vtorusha well.

Location is mountains of Autumn. I'm going to rebuild the Kingdom of All Humans along the way.

I have taken a lot of maladies, but the blessing from God Hand should mitigate the effects. Additionally, the "Let the Purgation Begin" and "On Sick Leave" encounters should help me cure them. My other encounters should land me a starter Greater Warmachina and allow me to start my own territory in war (with Jdan's help).

Now, like Vtorusha I want to infuse my warmachina with a letter from the god script. Ouk, to be exact. Izhitsa is also a great candidate. My idea is a mech that can continuously learn, adapt and evolve. All-Glimpse can help me with researching exactly how to do this. This could be Brastat's magnum opus that ascends him. I'd name it Heaven Piercer. Seems fitting.

Lastly, I can't think of a name. I was thinking I'd let One name me, but maybe that's a bad idea lol

>>96508448
All you said is true to some people, but what's so bad about never needing to sleep ? That's pretty much good to everyone. You wouldn't miss the "good feeling" of sleep if you never actually needed it in the first place.

>>96508459
Also, I would hope that the balance/positioning effect of Flowing Gait x2 would work even in a warmachina. Should help a little bit in controlling them.

>>96508472
It doesn't because being in a Warmachina shuts off all your Inborn Gifts (except Warmachina Mounting)

>>96508461
It gives you anti-synergy with things like Upunth's trance.

>>96508479
Lolwhat? No, reread the option.

>>96508457
You can just not read the future of everything, the only thing forced into you is constant mind reading, sight and never sleeping. The mind reading may devalue Meaning depending on your interpretation though.

>>96508461
It's just a constant narration about everything happening around you with no way to voluntarily shut it down. I personally think it would get very annoying after a while since you will have to find a way t relax while taking that into account.

>>96508316
>This is about as valid as saying Other (Learning Godscript)
That would be valid lol.

Saying you're going to learn God-Script doesn't mean you automatically ascend to Elder God status at age 10.
Saying you're going to learn how to make mechs doesn't mean you automatically make Ultra God Slayer Megalodon 9001 at age 10.

>>96508331
more points = more allies

>>96508381
I don't think regular warmachina are a threat to 0^0. Maybe with YMRD or Death of the Author, but that's iffy.
The plan is to do some serious research into magic and the God-Script, and of course All-Glimpse is crucial in doing that. Maybe starsight would be almost as good in this regard, but eh.

>>96508381
>or Icon of Icons when there's not that many companions or choices to go for several friends.
I have 4 companions and 4 mentors?
Plus Keter, who should stick around?
And I want to rebuild the largest human nation?

and obviously it goes exceedingly well with the Gurren Lagaan theme

>>96508488
Apparently you can still enter a form of meditative trance to mimic sleep as per Tank's comments on the event where you journey through a dream.

>>96508289
Why would you make a mech build without Auburn insular. The option to from birth be the only person in centuries who knows how to construct new warmachina of any kind is right there.

You don't even have the "tutoring all my mentors is expensive" excuse; you went keter cheese.

>>96508563
Fair about Icon of Icons but I still think that Taiya would be a much more fitting mother. If you are Old Throne royalty then she could easily teach you how to operate and fix them.

>>96508457
Elder gods are authors, and all-Glimpse is giving you an author's-eye view of the world. The experiences you gain using it should definitely be spiritually enriching, it's just a different sort of enrichment than what, say, Xet is getting. More heady, more YMRD's domain than SRTR's, and leaning more towards JNPL as a workhorse goddess of reincarnation and mass ascension than JNPL as a gentle and kind caretaker ordinary people

>>96508581
Being an AOP (Auburn only peasant) would kinda suck. It's a pain to learn other languages. Everman/Palatiner/Drakonid/Entramithraic gives me a good spread to at least be able to get by in most places near where I live. Also, I would lose the Zhivete I get from Entramithraic.

Knowing how to construct lesser warmachina is a decent head start, yes, but is it really worth it? I just don't know.

>>96508602
Taiya doesn't seem that good. Even if we take it that she could teach me about warmachina on account of being a muddish highlord, what could she teach me that Jdan couldn't? And her gifts just aren't good.
Auburn Insular would be a better choice.

>>96508602
He'd have to be a gross Muddish then though.

>>96508524
Just have sex with your waifu while having it narrated to you. Sounds kinda rad.

>>96507312 (OP)
>>96507319
what is the best race or hybrid combination to transform into?
i was thinking about a hybrid of: Dragons, nonhuman angels and humans(or maybe humanlike angels).

Why do half the people here think All-Glimpse is a trap? Or anything for that matter? Why would JNPL/The System troll you?

Proper Outsiders marry elves, not dirty Empyreans or undead.

>>96508716
The system totally trolled Yphont with Aat’s mentor description.

>>96508717
>Proper Outsiders marry
What, so you can get SRTR'd?
Or would you rather get JNPL'd?

>>96508669
She would be a way to start your knowledge of War Machina earlier, Keter and One would have nothing to teach you on the subject and Jdan doesn't seem like he used his that much before taking the throne. If not her, Vadim, Kuz'ma or better yet Yaropolk would be much more fitting in my opinion.

>>96508724
More likely Yphont trolled herself like so many people in this general who proved to be incapable of reading.

>>96508283
>The problem with that is that almost everyone makes friends
>On 4chan
Anon, I think you need to really reconsider your view on this.

>>96507894
Correct. But you aren't doing that. You ARE using epic fantastic magic in the fantasy setting instead of being a mudcore peasant skirmisher or tech obsessed gunfag, right?

>>96508724
It's not her fault you can't read, anon.

>>96508740
Everyone on 4chan would have tons of friends if they were powerful, active and competent. Even more so if people were quirky anime boys and girls.

>>96508669
Warmachina have been a lost science since the war of heaven and earth, and that's not because nobody has tried to bring them back. Every old throne revival has been lead by a gifted and fate-backed non-Outsider, and none succeded in recovering the lost tech.

Outsiders cheat, which is why it's not impossible for 11 to bring them back, but leaving the single largest cheat that the system can give you on the table is setting yourself up for failure.

>>96508716
It's not a trap, it's a very good option, but one that comes with several downsides that might not be worth it for a particular build. I just get the feeling a lot of people are taking it just because rather than it actually being of any use to their strategy. Just imagine if 'I also have limited narration spewing eyes' if something that makes sense to the character.

>>96508669
You have basically no plausible way to learn anything deep about Warmachine and the main focus of your build is them. That's a very bad idea.

>>96508716
It’s one or two people who keep repeating the same shit to restart the argument.

>>96508783
What strategy would you consider its worth taking All-Glimpse? By description, it fits any mage, makes you almost immune to being ambushed, gives you more time to study. I'm not saying it has no consequences, but it does seem to be useful to many many builds.

Why don't Outer Reincarnation fags take their shit to MCYOAG?

>>96508798
Anything trying to transform "the matrix" instead of playing it on its own terms would probably be anything between crippled and confused by the All-Glimpse.

>>96507598
Me.

>>96508717
Was there ever a proper Outsider, then?

>>96507598
The demons

>>96508851
Tuzik. Stithia was waifu-bait

>>96508716
Non-standard sensory organ, they cannot deal with it.

>>96508861
Legend has it that he did fix her.

>>96508059
I'm using True Love on Charlotte and no one can stop me.

>>96508717
You have to breed the undead to get One out of the respawn queue, anon. Do it for him.

>>96508891
You need half-undead for that. That's doable, but not a single outsider tried that so far.

oc?

>>96508695
Esoteric Angel, Dragon, or Giant. All other races are worthless.

>>96508905
Not true, Aat did.
He didn't get very far though.

>>96508911
Check the OP

>>96508943
Yes but what about second oc?

The Vtorusha glaze is crazy. Her main cheat was Maker's Brush x3, which likely has a lot more to do with building warmachina than designing them.

It would NOT be that hard to retrace her steps if you have even a passing idea of how Earth tech works.

>>96508732
One was Vtorusha's mentor. He travelled the world uplifting people with her. He also fought against warmachina in the war of heaven and earth. If anything, he's the person that knows the most out of anyone that you can select in the CYOA. Maybe aside from YMRD.

Vadim will teach you how to use warmachina, but he doesn't know how they work. I don't think Yaropolk really knows either. Kuz'ma is retarded and a Charlie simp.

>>96508767
The single largest cheat is Brastat + Ouk. Auburn insular is complete dogshit in comparison.

I don't think the insular bonus is even meant to be all that good. In 1000 years, OR natives hardly invented anything. Even Charlie, who clearly didn't know much about Earth science, radically changed the tech level of the Ecumene.

>>96508784
All-Glimpse gives you full awareness of everything around you. That includes warmachina.
And I'd use my own fucking brain. God damn.

>>96508905
The two options that should definitely work are turning Kalliope or ??? half-undead, or using Thaumiel artificial-life-creation to make a test tube undead.

But IGY Savgirl, tho

>>96508972
Awareness is not the same as knowing all the inner workings of something, let alone how to replicate it, I can give you the chemical composition of a plane, you still won't learn how to make one. You just want to do something but without having to pay the price for it, meme build.

>>96508006
Thinking about what was said last thread I think that the way OR handles meta stuff and fate is closer to Homestuck than Umineko.

Stuff like Gamzee being effectively unkillable until his role in the time loop is fulfilled reminds me of how Dobrava works.

>>96508972
Maker's Brush was probably the only thing that let her make Warmachina from scratch, design and crafting included. You're just headcanoing you being able to do something completely spectacular and hard without getting the correct pieces.

>>96507474
>>96507312 (OP)
>1. Sage + New & Old
>2. Sage + New & Old
>3. Magician + New & Old
>4. Titan
>5. Hero
>6. Sage + New & Old (bonus: a billion drawbacks)
>7. Sage + New & Old

4/7 are sages. 5/7 have New & Old. Billions Must Die and Open Heart are by far the most popular Burdens. Make whatever conclusions you want from this information.

>>96508972
Brastat + Ouk can resolve by just turning him into a living warmachina, something that can happen by accident, after he becomes the best in the world at warmachina repair. It sets yourself up for success, but it's not a guarantee. The only guarantee in the CYOA is Auburn Insular.

Also
>pointscaling

>>96509013
The burdens all suck hard. Not worth the points most of the time.

>>96509003
Definitely true, Outer Reincarnation is a better Homestuck CYOA than "Ultimate" God ever was or will be.

>>96509013
Anons are uncreative hacks. Did anyone expect anything else?

>>96508128
I can fix her. Or she can make me worse

>>96507312 (OP)
Does a build from this beat a build from Isekai Dark Overlord? I want to know which one to resurrect as after I die.

>>96508997
>>96509011
Take it apart. Look at the parts and use your fucking brain to put it back together.

You are headcannoning that it’s impossible to do something that someone has already done and that is explicitly possible to do again.

>>96509014
>Brastat + Ouk can resolve by just turning him into a living warmachina
That’s not what Ouk says.
>>pointscaling
There’s no pointscaling, retard

>>96508912
having a nonhuman body or a body of Giantic size would be unbelievably annoying. but now that i think about it the weaknesses of Esoteric Angels would be alleviated by merging them with other races.
>>96509013
you will also notice that a many of builds choose to get rid of the same vassals

>>96509065
You never built anything in your life if you think its that easy lmao. Go ahead and just make those microchips, anon.

>>96509064
light overlord is set up on earth

>>96508128
No one liked this slut

Strange that with so much new content for undead, there are no dedicated necromancer builds. Time to follow a noble Drow tradition and show those Ecumene shmucks some proper dark magic!

>patron
YMRD

>Reincarnation
Female
Extra Mentor x7
Extra companion x1
Dice Fudge(Free)
>Parents
Dryndeth From Agarttha (Yer', Misalliance) Shael of the Orthrung (R'tsy)

>Race
Dark Elf, Maevian.

>Languages
Fay
Thulean
Everman
Benewhisper
Tutored(Everman) x1

>Location
City of Dis

>Gifts
Caster Intuition
Noble Bearing
Dream Stride x1
Intelligence
Attentiveness
Wisdom
Cognitive Speed
Memory Retention
Spiritual Feel
Wereplague
Bitter Sickness
Panarmament x2
All-Glimpse
Kneeling Twilight
Icon of Icons
Ethereal Beauty

>Mentors
Thaumiel
Lyndis (Dice Fudge)
Eirina
Herleva
Seo

>Companions
Baf (True Love )
Mocnaeth
Tamura
Inga Yesod

>Encounters
Never Alone - Thaumiel (Myslete)
Troll
Ogres
Score of Orcs
Hobgoblin
Dissolved Parties - Baf (Iotated Greater Yus - Zhivete)
Upward Spiral - Tamura (Greater Yus)
No Way, Highwayman - Inga
Musket to the Face - Mocnaeth (Cherv')
Things That - Lyndis (Slovo)
Purgation - Eirina (Ouk)
Immortal Coils - Herleva
Breaking and Entering - Seo (Shta)
Remember the Demon - Eirina
Crown into the Gutter (Hladvig) - Herleva

>Letter
Yat

>Youth
Magical Training
Leadership Training
Dungeoneering
Treasure Hunting


>Quest
E Nomine

>>96509122
Shael of the Orthrung is the best mother for an Outsider who just wants to bury Ecumene under an avalanche of horrible warcrimes, no matter the cost. I would gladly make her proud!Thaumiel gives me nightmare monsters and my own doom fortress, Herleva and Seo can share everything there is to know about both branches of necromancy with Inga there to dig even deeper. Eirina is needed so my undead armies actually fight the Ecumene, instead of collapsing on the ground, and Lyndis is a mandatory hypercompetent advisor keeping everything afloat, while I delve deeper into the dark magic.

A special place in our forces is for Tamura and her scythe, which I am going to copy with Panarmament and continue to constantly upgrade with custom undead of my own creation. Two uber scythes for the price of one. The rest of companions are needed to create a power base, eventually take over Qlippoth and Lichyard, while also decapitating Pandaemonium so they stop backstabbing us at least for 5 minutes. Then I am planning to rule it as an adored queen of the undead with my Icon of Icons, while exchanging ideas on killing gods with Tamura and enacting some of the Ynga's old plans.

The letters are assigned by the principle "As long as it leaves a body to raise", even if I am not planning on actually making my comrades into undead. No, we will all just use Herleva's method to turn into half undead. Still immortal, still considered our previous race and without any deathslot to worry about. If we actually manage to murder Charlie, I guess we can also become half-empyrean, just to be sure

>>96509064
Light Overlord starts off vastly stronger, but doesn't have limitless potential. If given many thousands upon thousands of years, a Dark Overlord will outpace them. Light Overlord also has somewhat less minion variety.

>>96508972
>OR natives didn't invent anything
This meme needs to fucking die. They went from bronze age to early modern in 1000 years. That's 800 years faster than the fastest earth civilization.

>>96508000
If they didn't it'd be literally impossible to hurt them. Are you suggesting that it's impossible to win against the demons at all?

>>96509065
>Sublimate to a higher level of existence upon reaching the height of their craft.

Being a living warmachina can be considered a higher level of existence than just a dwarf. The height of Brastat's craft, in the current era, is just being able to fix things that no one else can fix.

>>96508176
>Hand of Infinity
Inventory. Charlotte bought RPG mechanic to have infinity storage space.
>Sunstride
Running faster and having more stamina and regeneration while being under the sun.

>>96509065
>"I don't think the 1-point option that gives you centuries-lost knowledge at spawn is meant to be all that good"
>Not pointscaling

Are you retarded, or just lying?

>>96509086
Monocrystalline silicon, cut into slices, bake on your photoresist, expose through your shadow mask, etch/dope/coat, repeat.

>>96508747
Here's a thought, why not put magic Onto technology? If a magic arrow is good enough to kill demons, a magic Bullet will be even better.
A hundred years is an amazingly long time technology-wise. We went from inventing flight to landing on the moon in a couple decades. Talking AI was still considered science fiction in 2005.

>>96509185
Now tell me how did you figured that out simply by knowing what microchips are made of. Also go read the human genome and build the perfect one, you can do it champ.

>>96509156
It’s not. Even if there were a chance of that happening, YMRD could prevent it.

>>96509180
>points out of nowhere
Meds.

>>96509205
>how did you figured that out
Lol

>>96509210
>The gods will just do it for me

Not how it works. Explicitly, both in the text and in multiple WoGs.

>>96509188
A magic arrow and a magic bullet could very well be the same, if the bullet is faster, the arrow can just use magic to go faster too.
And if anons wanted that, they'd go Magician instead of Sage. Plenty of humans already know tech, but none know magic.

>>96509122
>>96509129
>Yphont but Dual Nightmare Monarchy

>>96509210
You know it could happen outside of YMRD line of sight, right? She's not gonna be looking at him 24/7

>>96509219
>>96509229
You headcannoned Ouk into meaning "turning into a living warmachina" when it says nothing of the sort, then you headcannoned YMRD into not helping, for some reason.

What the fuck are you smoking?

>>96509205
He'll google it. Just like he'll did for this thread. He's just built diff like that.

>>96509245
>Just like he'll did for this thread
embarassing

>>96509239
>the death rune cannot do what I don't allow it to do
>also, I cannot read posts
Ah, I get it, you're just retarded. As excpected of a shit build.

>>96509245
>Google Translate: Godscript -> English
He really is gonna no diff Charlie

>>96509261
>THE DEATH LETTER DOES SOMETHING THAT IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT DOES
>source? My stinky asshole
Lol.

Some of you are being trolled today.

>>96509220
>A magic arrow and a magic bullet could very well be the same
No, they wouldn't. The only way this could possibly be the case is if a techbro build Didn't take "New + Old". In that case, they're a retard that deserves to be laughed at.
>And if anons wanted that, they'd go Magician instead of Sage.
Anon, every class can use magic. Magician is just the best at spells. Being the best at spells doesn't make you the best at magitech though.

>>96509224
Maybe not as cute and pacifistic, but I am also going to solve the Uruc problem. It is generally frowned upon to make undead out of people, but Uruk aren't people, so it is free game. And one encounter conveniently provides us a door to Uruk infested Mamet.

>>96507312 (OP)
Solo Build Attempt
Ideal: Titan
Blessings: Celestial, Indomitable, Saviour, Gates
Burdens: Frontline Command, Shield of Sacrifice
Races: Esoteric Angel, Hybrid *2 (Esoteric Angel, Dragon, Giant) - Divine Beasts - Massive unnatural creatures used as the superweapons of ancient gods to punish societal sins or battle other deities. - The downsides of both dragons and giants can be countered by making humility angels but that's irrelevant here.
Types: Collossi, Thaumaturge, Heirophant, Oracle, Resurrector, Valkyrie, Slayer, Grandmaster, Artisan, Teleporter
Dead: Pharas, Duke Ulman, Attempt 7 (Arkun the Red), Grend, Marin, The Screeching Wyvern
I just picked a good race for myself and made every option I could make so expensive as to be unreasonable to field large numbers of, I'll probably have around 10 collosi divine beasts to protect key areas and 50 Heirophant and Oracle class to serve as support, the remaining vril will be equally split between each class.

The plan is too fly around at mach speeds and spawn camp whatever portals the demons come through with a teleport beacon near each site and scring to check if anything is emerging from each portal, I then show up with my crazy speed from celestial laser them to death and move on while the collosi do cleanup and the heirophants make sure areas stay cleaned up and act as extra warning. I'll relying on vril from kills pretty much exclusively but I don't think esoteric angels need to sleep so I can be a perpetual laser death machine spawn camping pretty much every demon.

>>96509273
Nigger learn to read, turning into a living warmachina is very much a valid higher form of existence compared to a dwarf. But you obviously just want to headcanon your shitty story with absolute no chance of failure and no meaning, words are lost on false like you.

>>96508352
>>96508388
>>96508436
The biggest possible disadvantage you would get if you actually followed through minmaxxing/taking exploits/believing in tricks is becoming exactly as Charlotte describes you (and herself), an Outsider who doesn't deserve any of this. You're subscribing to Causality over Providence, and it is completely subjective if that loss is fine or not, but if you're doing E Nomine, you shouldn't be doing so? All of those points has to come from somewhere, it can't just be numbers.

>>96507733
>World Event:
Riders of the Apocalypse

>Body:
Monster Heritage: £»©—£¶—

>Power Archetypes:
Warrior, Blue Mage, Champion, Artificer: All

>Perks:
One Chance

>Ultimate Combos:
Rho Aias, E.G.O, Philosopher's Stone

>Provisions:
Cornucopia

Creatio ex nihilo.

>Revisions:
Brighter Lights: Most Good Things
Impending Doom: Incoming x10, Delayed Escalation

Cursus Honorum is Tokland, perfect for extermination during the Second Horseman.

>Expeditions:
Bounties: Nemesis

Opposite moral values to me means the Nemesis is an insane genocidal psychopath, so good riddance.

>Arrival:
Landing: Heavenhold
Aspirations: Do Some Science, Reach The Origin

The above is build highlights, not at all comprehensive.

Blue Mage, Artificer, Cornucopia, and Philosopher’s Stone are crazy together. Create and become anything you know. Absorb anything and then recreate it at will. Evolution and technological progress side by side. Post scarcity utopia. These 4 are *the* ultimate combo. Sprinkle in some extras like Champion, improving the world, and Heavenhold, and victory is practically guaranteed.

>Plan:
1. Replace my body.
2. Take control of and learn about Heavenhold.
3. Travel across the world to complete Expeditions and gather materials and knowledge.
First Horseman: Stealth or bulldoze my way through depending on the assessed risk.
Second Horseman: Support the Yu Dynasty, the strongest country.
Third Horseman: Famine is preemptively dealt with by me spreading super advanced food production techniques and technology. I can easily create cures on the spot for Pestilence.
Fourth Horseman: With my immense power, the Yu Dynasty, and the secrets from Heavenhold, solving the mystery is easy.

>>96509300
>Being the best at spells doesn't make you the best at magitech though.
Do you think inbuing this with magic is not a spell?

>>96509324
>Build Code:
opening,opening2,everything,d9mb,wwyu,m5gj,rome,china,goodchurch,bwqb,d8ul,rl43,acwx,feib,aygd,7g69,8v2y,es5g,igpg,i0lm,05az,r4t4y6u7kidfgn,pokiujhj,5nfy,lkh1,e5ow,22g1,4lq3,krwe,acm9,pfzi,t4jg,loner,goodworld,extralewd,extralewd_lewd_adjuster,male,macho,futanari,lgxs,amm5,h7j5,o0a4,cd8n,40h9,7h86,gov4,lmon,p2kv,r0o2,2kuu,syuw,08n4,h8k3,4g7b,bc32,xmae,de63,v02s,6uut/ON#2,ev1u/ON#2,knight,end3,pb38,o7iv,0gcn,q0o0,artificer,hrxy,kym7,c8bi,ry5q,japr,ob4b,bluemage,3x0e,5ok7,w99m,x0na,rwsx,kuz1,9iy1,i04r,j7rg,5rqh,docv,54jb,02l0,pgpc,bhhg,9oks,qopi,lewdlandings,2q2b,xz03,isvi,kj3r,u3y3,99qx,y2xm/ON#10,8p3v,3xmh/ON#10,aspirationtab,7h3h,74ad,op8t,dx1i,55r1,getraped,7lqp,monster,s8xq,warrior,str1,str2,dex1,dex2,end1,end2,jram,f7au,0ykd,ule7,u99c,cbri,4o9r,rclc,i2p6,iyuj,5ys9,37v9,iawz,spja,e5wd,lewdmonsters,1k4c,misandry,qyd9,zvhe,465j,7yxu,tzin,egypt,aghj532,aztec,sov3,rgj3,imwm,n4d5,yi1d,nwkd,132v/ON#1

>>96509324
>Blue Mage again
It really is busted beyond anything else, isn't it?

>>96509344
Not really "again" since it's a build update, but yes, it is busted alongside Artificer.

>>96509275
physicsfag strikes again

>>96508006
Reading the meta-letter discussion from last thread: the "It does nothing" answer doesn't actually make sense to me.
[JNPL] doesn't fit any of the meta-letter descriptors. Zhivete literally can't be true because [JNPL] is genuinely dead right now and the event that killed her still happened. Yee and Zhemlya can't be true at the same time in the same timeline, one is becoming an undead and the other is reincarnating as a different person.
This feels like a "I don't want to deal with this bullshit" answer rather than one that actually makes sense with the rules provided.

>>96507733
Wait a second, this is just Porn.

>>96509319
Minmaxxing as YMRD E Nomine is fine; YMRD is the goddess of rules autism. Erginter lost her patronage because erginter didn't do any rules autism after arriving in the world, she just spammed her one true build trick to win at everything until she met someone she couldn't beat.

Minmaxxing can also work with SRTR as long as your end result works as a cool hero or villain. Erginter spamming her gift-eating trick would've been fine by SRTR, because she played a good villain.

>>96509353
Nah, that Blue Mage + Puppeteer Ultimate Art is better. A super loyal assimilating army is also much cooler.

>>96509366
Zhivete doesn't work *because* she's already dead. Zhivete is for dodging death at the last possible second, like when a character is implied to die off-screen but they come back later in the movie. The metaphorical camera has shown her corpse and shown Charlie writing with her blood, the time-frame where it could apply is long past.

Yee doesn't apply because it's already happened. She reincarnated as the Outsider System. She could reincarnate again, but that would be Yee applied to Outsider-System JNPL, not Corpse-JNPL, and Outsider-System JNPL is not a selectable character.

Zemlya doesn't work because she'd simply refuse. Her soul has passed on, it could only come back in undeath if she came willingly, and she's the elder goddess who is least okay with undeath as a concept.

Also Yee + Zemlya can be applied in the same timeline, it literally happened to One. He has to reincarnate as an undead to meet the conditions of both, which is difficult to trigger, hence him being available as a father candidate -- fate is taking every opportunity it can to trigger his letters at this point.

>>96509324
>Cursus Honorum is Tokland, perfect for extermination during the Second Horseman.
Why ? You would fit right in.

>>96507733
>>96509393
Another busted combo is Dancer+Dreameater, Dreameater's weakness is you need to write down the spell and the writing need to be look at to be cast, Dancer deal with the casting and it doesn't even cost mana.

>>96509366
It doesn't does nothing, but would still effectively amount to nothing is probably the correct answer? I don't think Zemlya, Yee, or even Zhivete provide any answers to Psi. You can't revive [JNPL] without providing valid arguments about how she died at the hands of 0^0 but yet is still alive. Zemlya says "She's still too attached to this world." and Psi says "She's a fucking witch.". Yee says "Ah, but she's actually just reincarnated again." and Psi says "That's not JNPL" or whatever. Zhivete says "But she's actually still alive after getting killed." and Psi says "Yeah, I guess she was still alive a second after she got decapitated." or what have you. You need to actually find a Letter that could say that [JNPL] is still alive, or another trick, to revive her.

>>96509384
You just don’t get it. If you aren’t an Unnotable One peasant farming wheat in the middle of nowhere, your story has no Meaning.
You will surely job to 0^0 (pbuh) if you take all the most powerful gifts, mentors, and companions. Only by refusing the unearned power of the outsider system can you truly beat the Goddess of Causality.

>>96509509
>You can't revive [JNPL] without providing valid arguments about how she died at the hands of 0^0 but yet is still alive.
*Looks at empyreans reviving just fine after death*

Reminder that there is a priest of JNPL who is explicitly capable of resurrection, and only two people have taken him.

>>96509449
>Zhivete doesn't work *because* she's already dead
Time shenanigans have already been established as a fact of the setting. There are already 2 timelines.
Literally nothing gives a good argument to why it'd be impossible to pull something like that off with the OR system, which has several options that Already rewrite the timeline as is.

>>96509044
>Anons are uncreative hacks. Did anyone expect anything else?
I don't think it's really a matter of being uncreative, just a general recognition that technology represents a massive force multiplier. (Moreso in this than in Dark Overlord, since here we're simply 'reactivating' a technological society rather than building it from scratch, so it should be significantly faster.)

I made the last tech build on the list, missed the previous thread so didn't really see the others except the billion drawbacks one. Planning on another build that's more aligned with my actual, not-quite-so-tech-loving sensibilities, but I have to think about it. The burdens really are scary.

>>96509531
Anons can be complete dumbasses.
In other news, the floor is made of floor. More at 11.

>>96509531
Why would we, when Herleva can remove the letter and grant immortality simultaneously?

>>96509531
Just don’t die.

I think minmaxxing have Meaning if you are actually using the benefits you get from it to make a good, worthwhile story and apply those extra points towards a cohesive goal to connect fates and set up a stage for good narrative to happen.
Shop list picks without any real connection between them and lack of unified, sensible direction is the soulless approach which devalue Meaning while using those extra points to add options which works off each other to make a better narrative for (you) and others involved is smart application of those things which Elder Gods would enjoy if you do so in their field of interests.

>>96509528
I mean, if you have Khier, sure. Their argument is "I'm not actually a part of this world." The cleanest route that the story would take to explain Psi Khier is just "[JNPL] got bored of writing the world and ditches." Is that the ending you seek?

>>96509564
>Doesn't think the story of an anon causing their own downfall with their greed and short-sightedness has meaning.
Example A of anons being uncreative, but also too smug to notice they're part of the problem.

>>96509531
JNPL won't help you though

>>96509575
Thats the meaning you get out of Charlie though.

>>96509567
>Psi Khier
Anon, Khier is Omega only.
Read the actual CYOA.

>purposefully taking trap options and skipping Icon of Icons/All-Glimpse/any worthwhile parents, mentors, or companions
vgh, meaningfvl
>living isekai slow life doing literally nothing
OH MY HECKING JNPL!!!! MEANINGFVL KINO!!!!
>Assembling the best and brightest for your mission to kill the false god and free the souls of an entire world from her tyranny
erm, picking the best options means you would lose actually

>>96509588
>Also too smug to notice they're part of the problem
That went without saying anon.

>>96509531
Only when certain circumstances are met, but it doesn't tell which ones.

>>96509597
Why do you write like a faggot?

>>96509597
SRTR welcomes you anon
>skipping Icon of Icons/All-Glimpse
Neither of these helped Keter. They're literally trap options disguised as overpowered abilities.

>>96509495
But can you cast one archetype stuff with another one? In that case you could just cast Dreameater stuff with Black/White mage or whatever else. Or is there an Ultimate Art saying you can do that explicitly?

>>96509598
Nah, I'd count my blessings.

>>96509013
If you are a Sage with New&Old you should get Unity, but only one build did so.
Sage's perfect memory turn you into a perfect repository of knowledge for New&Old, you can take the knowledge from every followers' mind and transfer whatever one need to know from another/yourself.
You just made a new Alchemist, download everything your followers have ever figure out about the subject into it, or just what it need when needed.

>>96509609
Keter doesn’t have either of those gifts lol

>>96509590
>If you have Khier
Yeah, I don't know. How did Charlie become an Angel, how were all of those Empyreans born? Pick [JNPL] as your mom and extract Khier from a Majin, then apply it to Psi. There's a way to apply Khier without actually having Khier, just need a story.

>>96509575
Ok Erginter, you do you, I wanna live for more than 100 years though.

>>96509618
>trying the patched loophole
Readlet kun, please read the sections on Empyreans again.

All you need to do in E Nomine is neutralize the opposition. Elder Gods are perfectly capable to bring her back.
Good luck with that though.

>>96509618
>There's a way to apply Khier without actually having Khie
Pretty sure you can't anymore, Charlie's gatekeeping Khier, because Keter used it to become an Empyrean in front of her.

>>96509624
>he wants to live more than 75 years
This is heresy against JNPL. Don’t you want to reincarnate and ascend?

>>96509626
>>96509528 's dumb enough to think Khier could Psi.

>>96509618
And anon was arguing there are also ways to apply Zhivete, Zhimlya and Yee that arent "This does nothing".
"Nothing happens" is not a meaningful story.

>>96509597
>DUDE JUST MAKE KETER YOUR MOTHER AND MAKE DOBRAVA SOLO NILMATRIX AGAIN, Story? LMAO JUST WRITE SOME SHITTY THING ABOUT HER TEACHING YOU 9584838 LANCGUAGES BRO, TOTTALY MEANINGFUL.

>>96509624
COWARD!

>>96509635
I'm sorry [JNPL]-sama. I will die of old age at 70, I will job to everyone who's not a peasant, I will marry an unnotable one, I will never change civilization. And I will be happy.

>>96509611
Dreameater's spells are written to only be castable with the method Dreameater give you, I'm not actually sure Dancer's casting method allow you to bypass Dreameater's spells' restriction. I just assumed it can since the archetype are connected, if you can't the combo isn't op, Dancer with Emboite is still good.

>>96509609
Keter didn't had those. She successfully evaded her Buki and hindered Charlie too.

>>96509655
Actual life-goals honestly. This would be an objective life upgrade in all areas to most people right now.

>>96509642
Isn't that because they effectively already are applied, or did some anon gaslight me into believing that?

>>96509539
Zhivete isn't about rewinding time to undo the death. That would be Psi not applying at all. Zhivete is about the death "happening", the story moving forwards without them for a time, but then later you find out that it actually didn't happen the way you thought it did.

It's Aqualad "killing" Artemis in front of the Young Justice team so that no one suspects Tigress is actually her. It's not Flash running back in time to prevent his mom's death.

>>96509642
I just don't see how you can square those three, and Khier if you had access, with Psi without effectively having a new character skinwalking as [JNPL]. I don't see how the arguments fielded by those four about how someone can still be alive actually stand against Psi's Death of Author.

>>96509601
We have an example of a resurrection in the CYOA; it just required a ritual, the remains, and that the soul be between reincarnations. It's undeath, not rebirth, but it's a reasonable guess that the holy version require those conditions + the resurrection has to be Meaningful in some way.

You don't need to revive JNPL. If you kill Charlie once, that would be enough. You can then keep her away from JNPL's blood which prevents her from using Deus Ex Machina, and YMRD can go back to her pillar.

>>96509616
>>96509636
>>96509662
Rereading Keter's entry: I guess I forgot the Icon of Icons thing was speculation from the "Power of Friendship" line in her mentor box.
Dirk Yesod isn't in her party either... Huh
She had so many chances to minmax an missed All of them.

If I drink JNPL blood, can I become a god?

>>96509717
If you're talking about the resurrection of that Demon Lord, that might as well be just respawning another one like him using his template. Like some Majin are, not actually resurrection.
If it's not that, who got resurrected? I missed that.

>>96509676
>did some anon gaslight me into believing that?
This.
None of the meta letters were applied and the timeline doesn't matter to the godscript. The OR system already has options that rewrite time.

>>96509729
She got cute kuudere though.
Do you have cute kuudere in your build, anon?

>>96508024
We will post Outer Reincarnation every day until you like it.

>>96509690
>and Khier
Why do anons keep banging on about Khier? Goddesses already ascended, they don't need Khier!

>>96509729
Yeah, she took the meaningful path instead and managed to avoid death. Meanwhile the minmaxer got jobbed.

I feel like Oersted from Live-a-Live would be SRTR's favorite character.

>>96509720
But I want Meaning in my every action Anon. I don't trust [YMRD] when Rhucuphre's blatantly her piece, and [SRTR] is too dumb to actually ascend anyone.

>>96509749
They're too scared to fight Nilmatrix and actually earn their empyreality.

>>96509738
>If you're talking about the resurrection of that Demon Lord, that might as well be just respawning another one like him using his template
He's trying to manually arrange something like the respawning point encounter for himself. That's why he needs his soul to be in between resurrections.

>>96509745
Anon, you can literally cuck her by banging her Ex, or have a threesome with both.

>>96509729
It's perfectly possible that she didn't have a chance to pick Icon or A-G.

>>96509767
But you have to be a female to take that dyke. That's gay.

>>96509758
>[SRTR] is too dumb to actually ascend anyone
>he fell for it

>>96509759
>If you can't 1v1 the final boss's right hand immediately after the tutorial ends, then your build is shit

>>96509690
>I just don't see how you can square those three
Time-warping. Literally
The 3 gods don't even exist in "Time" like the rest of us, they see the entire narrative and can erase or rewrite events out of order. The OR system literally gives you a piece of that power to play with while writing out your character intro.
The square of the circle is literally just "The entire timeline is rewritten and/or split into multiple timelines that now interact with each other".
How is this hard to understand?

>>96509798
>How is this hard to understand?
Most anons haven't watched Doctor Who when it was good.

>>96509798
That's the material. I couldn't care less about the material when the world is already repeatedly said to be made out of the script. Give me an argument about how either three could continue from Psi and make an interpretation that [JNPL] is actually still alive, and preferably still [JNPL].

>>96508972
>One was Vtorusha's mentor. He travelled the world uplifting people with her.
Then he smacked them back down so humans the world over got enslaved by other races. What a guy.

>>96509790
>1v1
Is this why you retards hate Icon of Icons? There are several options specifically made to help you in situations like these and you're still scared.
You can't even die in this fight unless you picked a really terrible death letter.

>>96509823
the great Vtorusha chimpout is to blame for that, not One.

>>96509818
JNPL "died" but actually reincarnated as the Outsider system. A state significantly more tied to the world than her previous existence as a goddess.

>>96509597
You know there's something in between powergaming and taking something that suits your build, right? Also, you can minmax and do nothing, or heck, even purposefully gimp yourself and try to play the implied narrative.

>>96509834
He's the one who fought against her, thus be holds responsibility for the consequences of his choice.

>>96509824
>unless you picked a really terrible death letter.
Buki or nothing

>>96509790
The secret strat is to game an encounter so that it happens only after you're ready to fight. The goblins uruk encounter is perfect for this; since generally you decide when to trigger it. (Obviously don't try to delay forever, that's how Savmak ended up where he is.)

>>96509837
So, exactly as the original questioner said, and as Tank said, doing nothing in actuality?

>>96509798
The outsider system only writes events happening in the relative future, I don't see any instance of things in the past being re-written, after all if that could be done then why would YMRD have needed to destroy the world 4 times.

It is much more reasonable to assume that they're limited in some way, perhaps merely by willingness to pay attention while on their seats and actual vision while off of them. The world does also seem to run a background sim of events happening even without the direct attention of the godesses.

Which Outsider had the worst gift build?

>>96509848
Even Kekter avoided Buki. You are not worse than her, right anon?

>>96508006
It's pretty funny how you can get any ruler to abandon everything to go marry a random unnotable one and move to another continent.

>>96509869
Erginter didn't even take intelligence boosts.

>>96509869
Savmak, 1x eyes mostly suck. Erginter had the worst at the start, but later she got more.

>>96509879
Parents are allowed to parent from a distance; see Senamotis Sarmata. It's possible that resolves with your unnotable parent mostly single parenting you, with financial support and occasional visits from your royal parent.

>>96509879
It's just as likely that your father got a commoner pregnant and then she was forced to escape to whatever location you picked. Remember that Fate will usually pick the path of least resistance for your choices so they usually won't end in a happy end for you if you abuse them too much.

>>96509818
>Give me an argument about how either three could continue from Psi and make an interpretation that [JNPL] is actually still alive, and preferably still [JNPL].
>Zhivete:
The timeline is upended and retold as [CHRL] fails to kill [JNPL] with Psi, only succeeding in Changing her instead. [JNPL] is now the goddess of antagonists because she now sees that character growth can't happen without conflict.
>Zemlya:
[JNPL] rises as an undead goddess obsessed with the world she became disconnected from in her ascension. Her new goal is to enter the world and create an eternal, unchanging story .
>Yee:
[JNPL] is reincarnated as the mortal woman Juniper and has to begin ascension from the beginning. [CHRL] now has her powers nerfed, but she's also uncontested now. Juniper is now hunted by the entire world because she's now simultaneously the only hope of stopping [CHRL] and the only mortal holding the secret to true ascension.
>and preferably still [JNPL]
No. Stories without conflict have no meaning.
anon still doesn't realize the goddesses are faking their defeat and are simply directing a story by letting charlotte run free

>>96509869
Erginter's and Aat's gamble builds aside, it's Sarmat. No respect for martials in this setting.

>>96509470
Just because I am in the perfect position to become the Mother Goddess of Depravity doesn't mean I want to.

>>96509879
Nothing says they'll move and live with you, just produce you and raise you kinda. Your king dad could do somewhat frequent visits to your mother and whatnot, but still live on his kingdom.

Why the fuck would the elder gods be mad that you chose something that they specifically made for you to choose?

YMRD would be happy that you found her hidden tricks and exploits.

>>96509853
>why would YMRD have needed to destroy the world 4 times.
Because that makes a more interesting story.

>>96509902
Reversing time means you never applied the Zhivete, and time reversal is not even a valid way to trigger Zhivete in the first place. That doesn't work.

>>96509903
We can’t judge Sarmat’s build, we don’t know what most of his gifts even do.

>>96509910
>>96509900
>>96509894
Fair and logicale, but isn't funny

>>96509837
Still doesn't fulfill the requirements of 2/3 meta-letters.

>>96509894
Neither of Erginter's parents were even present for her birth.

If you Never Alone + True Love Omega. Is it oneeshota?

>>96509893
>1x eyes mostly suck.
They suck compared to their X2 version but that's because most don't take them with Multiocular O. Being able to switch all those at will would be a great benefit.

>>96509122
I wanted to add necromancy to my build (Faina) but I didn't really have the points/slots to add Herleva or Seo as a Mentor, take Inga or Tamura as a Companion, or give myself double Deathless Grasp (and I'd want double because constantly refreshing it is annoying.) If I was willing to go Dark Elf and Adoption Thaumiel I'd be able to swing it but I'm honestly attached to my dad even if I complained about him when first making my build.
>>96509315
She didn't go halfbreed so not quite.

>>96509914
This is just shit the author overlooked, stop trying to justify shitty exploits just so you can pretent to be smarter than everyone because you read a reddit post.

>>96509893
Tank said Savmak had the opportunity to take All-Glimpse, but he instead went with a ton of shitty eyes. The fool.

>>96509917
Anon, you aren't part of the narrative yet. You only enter the narrative after you close the OR system and enter the story.
Your essentially arguing Doctor Who should stop existing any time he changes the timeline, despite not being part of the timeline when he's in the TARDIS.

>>96509934
>This is just shit the author overlooked
rumao

>>96509917
You're still thinking of things like there's only one timeline.
Multiverse Time-Travel Theory anon, Look it up!

>>96509013
>4/7 are sages. 5/7 have New & Old.
didnt know we had so many techchads in cyoag. what gives?

>>96509924
This guy >>96509902 already explained Zhivete with
>[CHRL] fails to kill [JNPL] with Psi, only succeeding in Changing her instead
Which still applies here

>>96509916
It really doesn't, it simply removes an entire settings worth of lore which could be used as backdrop for future stories after the other races have died out.

They are very explicitly not capable of unwriting what has already been written and can't create things from nothing so total destruction is a bigger limit than just carrying on.

>>96507312 (OP)
>Ideal: Hero

>Blessings:
Indomitable
Ascent
Bank Of Souls
Noosphere
Unity
Metempsychosis

>Burdens:
Billions Must Die
I Would Win

>Races:
Humans
Humanlike Angels
Fairies
Hybrid [Esoteric Angels/Dragons]

>Regular Followers:
Civillian
Mount
Warrior
Neophyte
Craftsman
Archer
Miner

>Higher Followers:
Knight
Ranger
Illusionist
Artisan
Alchemist
Healer
Captain
Sapper
Giant
Ritualist

>Exemplar Followers:
Thaumaturge
General
Grandmaster
Artillery
Oracle

>Dead Vassals:
Pharas
Duke Ulman
Attempt Seven (Teles The Golden)
Larav
Marin
The Whispering Stag

Fairly straightforward build. Traits let me have a degree of omnipresence, and I can resurrect dead units for half the cost, letting me hold onto valuable veterans. I didn't see the need for more than a good combined-arms army; Knights form the spine, warriors fill out the rank and file, archers and artillery provides provide ranged support while rangers are amazing when used with the Noosphere trait. Illusionists control the battlefield, while I have magic support with my ritualists and thaumaturgists, but no real magical presence aside from that. The rest are for supporting my forces in various ways, Exemplars really being delegated to enhancing the rest of the units. We don't really have much in the way of champion-killers outside of perhaps giants, but my Ideal handily covers that role.

My races weren't really important to me, humans are just generally useful as low-income units, while angels and fae are good as mages or high-end units. The strategy with vassals is to divide and conquer as much as possible, and sow chaos within the leadership. As long as the archdemons are fighting each other, they can't focus on mine own, letting my weaker units pick win the war of attrition. For example, with Attempt Seven dead at the hands of Teles, his already weakened domain will be further weakened, which might just provide the opportunity Wrath needs to decide to take vengeance.

>>96507845
Didn't actually read this before, the logic of it seems odd. Insofar as making war is largely a function of one's ability to apply physical harm, and modern technology/guns unquestionably provides that far above 'guys with swords and armor,' saying that actually having modern+ tech doesn't provide that strong of an advantage seems like it implicitly would suggest also that the ordinary physical warriors, guys with blades or bows, (i.e. absolutely every soldier that regular humanity can field) is going to be rather ineffective in defense.

Based on the description of New and Old itself, I would have presumed the more limiting factor is the fact that some degree of personal involvement in technology is required. This represents in fact a kind of interesting reversal, as ordinarily the great distinction between magic and technology in a setting is that the former is intrinsically linked to a small number of 'special' people who have to make it happen, while technology is purely process-based, and can be far more easily universalized, spread out to everyone. Whereas in this, you can at least summon lots of mages who do their magical thing wherever needed, but making technology work is limited to JUST YOU. Even if we do suppose that's a final touch, "wave your hand over the pile of guns to activate them," it still limits the reach of technology substantially compared to what it is in our Earth, and even compared to magic. Combined with the risk of tools falling into enemy hands, that seemed to me enough to provide balance it being genuinely far more effective than guys with swords.

>>96509987
>Examples For Races (Just For Fun):
My Form: Surprisingly human-looking half-dragon, sacrificing my elemental breath and scales for a heightened esoteric ability, embodying the virtue of Fortitude; strength in soul and body comes with every superior foe faced unwavering, every wound taken and un-parried blow feeling this growth until the enemy can be overcome.

Fae Noble Illusionist: Attached to a roving ranger band, this Duke Of Red Leaves takes the form of a beautiful, androgynous elf, face shifting every time one looks away. While haughty and seemingly possessing of an instinctive talent for insulting his escort, his cruelty is reserved alone for the demonic forces he encounters. It seems this nobleman has an obsession with practical jokes; while it would be simple to hide them among the foliage, demons instead almost always fall victim to what can only be described as pranks, though the arrows planting themselves in distracted throats are no less deadlier for it.

Human Oracle: While blind, the Sight of this seer has not been hindered in the slightest. If anything, the woman may have benefitted from it. Spindly and gaunt, it's clear from a glance that she spends her waking hours locked in her chambers, divining the threads of the future with careful precision, overlooking nothing. She knows even the smallest of things can promise great victory, or certain doom. Only when certain does she remove herself, presenting her findings to aid the greater war effort. Hopefully, someone reminds her to eat this time.

>>96509943
That one is fine and, as he said in other post, will likely give the Empireality to Dobrava, not you. Did he ever say anything about Keter/Thaumiel other than "I guess It works"?

>>96509902
I think that's valid enough, and I'll have to think if I want to write Psi counter-arguments, but
>metaworld bullshit
is the highest grade copium that only an Outsider siding with the Gods could take. The moment you start believing that the only ones who hold any Meaning at all are the Gods is the moment you ape the worst of Malkuthian zealots through completely novel methods.

>>96509940
You are absolutely part of the narrative. You have been since you died a thousand years ago; they've just had you in Outsider System the entire time. "All of the seats were filled from the start, it's only a question of awakening one for each iteration." Souls are held outside of the world but not outside time between reincarnations, see Remember the Demon.

>>96509944
Every time the Old Throne reverses time, the aborted future is ejected as dream, which becomes nightmare after mixing with the dead dragons. Or, alternatively, the future never actually happened at all, it was all just precognition and the leaked dream is the overflow of more future-divinity than the throne-user's mind can take in, thanks to the sheer amount of godscript-reading that precognition required. Unclear which is true, but either way there's only one timeline at a time. The metaphysical camera is showing us all the same movie.

>>96509999
Is there anything preventing you from recruiting Gunter's companions for yourself? I want Empyrean Dobrava and to kill Nilmatrix.

>>96509905
Mother Goddess of Depravity;
Origin of Evil;
The Indestructible;
Goddess of Origin;
Mother of All;
Brood Hive of Filth;
Sovereign of the Physical World

Blue Mage
Blue Mage
Champion
Artificer
Artificer
Blue Mage
Champion

It really does fit perfectly...

>>96509987
Blessings:(-2-1-2-1-1-1)=(-8)
Burdens:(2+1)=(3)
Explain in detail

>>96509902
>[JNPL] is reincarnated as the mortal woman Juniper and has to begin ascension from the beginning. [CHRL] now has her powers nerfed, but she's also uncontested now. Juniper is now hunted by the entire world because she's now simultaneously the only hope of stopping [CHRL] and the only mortal holding the secret to true ascension.
This sounds interesting, maybe she'll go with that after Charlie's dead if you don't take E Nomine. No need to waste a good plot hook.

>>96510016
Wait for LotM CYOA to leave the oven first, Anon.

Charlie replaced the Pokoy in [JNPL] with Psi.
Pokoy is calm/peace/death, Psi is afterlife.

Using Psi is also how Charlie created Evdokia.

>>96509938
Why would he need to when you can IGY his descendant and he'll get it for free in exchange for being your companion?

>>96509902
>Yee restarts the process of ascension
Explicitly not how reincarnation works, anon

>>96509969
>Which still applies here
No it doesn't. [JNPL] is very explicitly dead, which isn't compatible with the effect of Zhivete.
Your equating "Dead" and "Not Dead" as if they were the same thing.

>>96510015
Maybe fate making them his companion and making it so he constantly appears before you? If there's no fate guarantee companions stick around (which I'm not sure if it's a thing), nothing should stop you from recruiting them all, including Gunter.

>>96510047
Transformation is death as far as the Outsider system is concerned.

>>96510047
He's going to reply with time travel, as if time travel is compatible with Zhivete. He's going to ignore everyone who tells him why that's wrong. It's happened twice already.

>>96510059
How do you even read everything and come out of it thinking I'm the other guy?

>>96510009
>you died a thousand years ago
Proof?

>>96510059
>Pssst, you reread the convo
>You're replying to the timetravel anon

>the 11th didn't take clearminded
lmao ngmi

I'm really curious if Cuttlefish can release the remaining rituals and powers faster than Tank can make his LOTM cyoa.

>>96510015
Fate has to play out as it's written, so they'll meet Gunter and meaningfully interact with him. As long as you resolve that, nothing's saying you can't arrange a permanent team-up. I'd even say it's likely if you're planning a big final battle; the protagonist and his rival standing together at the end is a classic trope.

>>96508672
Cry about it Cucklander. The Mudfish will inherit the world!

Is this guy STILL freaking out that his "perfect beat 0^0 while making my build" plot turned out to not work?

>>96510069
I gave you a quote directly from the CYOA that flat out says the seats were filled from the start. The first seat was awakened a thousand years ago. What more proof do you need?

>>96510094
That doesn't mean I'm already dead, they could just have a bookmark on my soul and are going to snatch it when it's my time to debut in the story.

>>96509993
Yeah, you were wrong, you're supposed to use Mages and Magic Guys with Swords, dummy.

Why didn't Erginter try to steal the Savmak sword?
Just look at all those juicy gifts...

>>96510106
She did, anon.

>>96510101
That's wouldn't be "awakening" you.

>>96510106
She did.

>>96510084
>the protagonist and his rival standing together at the end is a classic trope
Pure, unfiltered, meaningful Kino. Too bad most people just take Gunter for exploiting Nilmatrix.

>>96510112
>>96510115
Then why didn't the 11th take the sword? Is he stupid?

>>96510114
Technically if they snatch my soul at that moment, they're killing me, or I'm already destined to die then, and thus incarnating me at all in their world is awakening me.

If you only need to buy Everlasting because of 0^0 being a nigger, why did Savmak take it too?

>>96510118
Please understand anon, I need all 3 companion slots. If I had 1 more then I'd take him.

>>96510125
I did? Savmak is in my build.

>>96510106
How is he so perfect?

>>96510132
He didn't buy it, he was granted it. It's listed in the builds of all the Outsiders who were given it, including Charlotte.

>>96510133
Just give him one of the chicks you took, don't be too greedy, anon.

>>96510106
If she was actually interested in the deeplore she may not necessary lose the patron god even despite her villainous ways.

>>96510126
I suppose. I think that's twisting a pretty clear story to fit a headcanon that is unsupported by the text, but if it makes you happy have fun anon.

>katya's build is just random x1's, and basic caster package + martial instinct and bestial strength
meaningfags are gonna get ketered

>>96510020
Oh... I guess I'll take off Indomitable.

>>96510163
I would live to get Ketered.

>>96510154
I just think me dying 1000 years ago is weird, because it means OR is taking place in this world while our world is in the year 3022-25.

>>96510163
>get Ketered
You mean survive Buki, hamper the main villain, and be there for the next outsider? Sounds like a good deal.

>>96510171
There's nothing saying that time runs the same between the two worlds.

>>96510146
They're all essential to my build

>>96510169
>>96510178
Keter only survived via eye of fore + empyreality corpse running.
The elves did all the damage.

(you) have neither elves nor empyreality

>>96510171
It might be that Earth is long gone, and this is the new world that the Pillars made.

>>96510198
She also didnt had Empyreality at the start of her build. The same exploit may not work again, but someone who found one might very well find another, especially with more experience.

>>96510198
>(you) have neither elves nor empyreality
Wrong, I have 4 elves and empyreality if I kill Nilmatrix

>>96510207
This world's timeline didn't start 1000 years ago though, we have elven records and history going back at least 3000 more before that.

How do you guys think Keter stacks up against Nilmatrix?

>>96510198
I actually meant getting romantic and sexual encounter with Keter where she is the one who initiate it with slightly forceable approach.

what do Soul Revolving and Luminescence of Man do?

>>96510245
Same ngl
Guess I just have to seduce a lesbo instead somehow

>>96510249
Both were 10-point gifts

>>96510240
Nilmatrix backstabbing her is how she lost the fight with 0^0.

>>96510272
Yeah, but how does she stack up in an actual fight?

>>96510249
My guess on Soul Revolving is that it's One's Everlasting modified by Mithra's teachings. Doesn't make sense for him to not get it, and he lived pretty long and was still pretty swole not to have a Lifespan gift.

Aat received the patronage of two elder gods by appealing to both of them. He was a seeker of secret knowledge who kept rolling dice even though he only got ones, and found a way to beat the odds anyways -- a paragon of YMRD. He was a perpetual underdog and an honorable yet terrifying villain who provided the world with centuries of epic conflict -- a paragon of SRTR. The world is worse for his loss.

Erginter lost the patronage of her only god, and failed to appeal to any. YMRD loves those who find hidden secrets, including exploits, but she does not love those who find one secret and stop, satisfied with their victory. Curiosity is love for the world, but Erginter was not curious. SRTR may have enjoyed Erginter as a villain, or even as an anti-hero, but Erginter did not choose SRTR's patronage in the Outsider system, nor did she seek SRTR's patronage after entering the world.

The moral of this story is that you can do whatever you want, but if you want to be successful, you should know what you want and pursue it. Walking a confused path leads only to confused results. Be the best version of yourself, and do not apologize for it.

>>96510290
>Everlasting

He fell for JNPL's meme as well and wanted to follow in the steps of his teacher. Life extension isn't a problem for a legendary caster.

>>96510295
>who kept rolling dice even though he only got ones
No, he didn't choose to roll anything. He was just forced into bad situations by chance.

>>96510315
Insane aura loss if he actually fell for it.

>>96510324
Arguably true for his early life, but he was Xian for more time than he was Aat. And even as Aat, he chose to fight back when he could have obeyed.

>>96510249
>what do Soul Revolving and Luminescence of Man do?
I'm guessing they revolved souls and luminesced men.

>>96510351
Just like godhand is god's hand

>>96510249
Soul revolving is a being revolver with souls instead of bullets.

I will not be elaborating.

>>96508176
>Hand of Infinity: Causes any action the user would perform with that hand to generate a significant pool of possibilities as if that action had been performed with minor variations. The action resolves as the user would have chosen from the entire pool.
>Charlotte's Autoantecedence: The pool now expands to include possibilities from up to one second forward or backward in time.
>Sunstride: The user generates inner radiance from momentum or accomplishing goals, causing the user to appear grander and more inspiring to others. Inner radiance diminishes from inaction or a negative emotional state.

>>96510295
>SRTR may have enjoyed Erginter as a villain, or even as an anti-hero, but Erginter did not choose SRTR's patronage in the Outsider system, nor did she seek SRTR's patronage after entering the world.
The only real big thing Erginter did was defeating Inga Yesod who was a much more interesting and clever person than Erginter.
Other than that, it is likely that most of her adventures were low threat ones where she just hunted and killed people who could not threaten her for their gifts. She did also kill Yphont but Yphont was mostly a peaceful scholar-diplomat so that hardly was anything entertaining.
You could say she did more to rob the world of potential, stories and personalities to satisfy her solo leveling fetish. That's very anti-SRTR.

>>96510397
Inga was seriously op with her time-travelling marionette and crazy levels of necromancy.

>>96510397
I wonder if, after rolling for Sarmat and Tuzik, who are two very boring Outsiders on the grand scheme of things, [SRTR] ended up opening a Rival Tide or something to Inga.

>>96510449
>Sarmat
SRTR is openly gushing over Sarmat on the Outsiders page, she loved that dude.

>>96510464
He handled her plots, that's true, but he didn't really spawn more plots.

>>96509013
New & Old is overrated. Guns won't do shit against the Archdemons.

>>96510295
Wasn't Erginter the only one who had the patronage of no gods at all? And people still say minmaxxing is meaningful.

>>96508006
https://rentry.co/ORbuildrate1
I have added 18 more rating to the build ratings
I think that's almost all of them, except the solo builds and anyone who used the keter trick
I fully endorse and support anyone re-rating or rating on different criteria, this is in no way meant to be definitive

An encounter where you are challenged by the dream-manifestations of previous outsiders would be kino. One's challenge would be a wisdom-check philosophical puzzle. Vtorusha, an epic mech duel. Aat, an intelligence-check fantasy chess match. Erginter, a straightforward boss fight. Etc...

>>96510495
Autist is not only the most moral, but also the hottest
This isn't balanced in the slightest

>>96510513
>Tuzik challenges you to grow the biggest radish

>>96510520
she's bitchy
PASS

>>96510513
>Tuvik challenges you to see who can milk a cow better
It's over for me.

>>96510495
YMRD gives the best power if you pick her, causes no death and suffering, and is tied for the hottest one. This selection is not fair.

>>96510520
What did Tankista mean by this?

>>96510513
I would prefer an encounter with a dream-manifestation of hero Charlotte.

>>96510531
By cow he means local cow beastfolk ladies. All while you smoke pipe and drink together.

>>96510513
Actually good
Put this on reddit or discord so tank reads it

>>96510513
>buff mental gifts even more

>>96510560
Why doesn't he give us attention when we have the most insightful conversations?
Like which companion has the best breasts

>>96510537
>Charlotte's challenge is just a romantic picnic on a sunny beach.
Fund it!

>>96510575
We have a wife tier list but no pure breast list
Someone needs to get on that

>>96508006
Is OR magic as bullshit as Magocratic Convention magic?

https://imgchest.com/p/dl7p85wojyo

>>96510579
>wife tier list
And it's a shit list

>>96510581
>OR magic is just Umineko'd Eragon
>Magocratic Convention magic is just fancier TTRPGs
Checkmate magicfags

>>96508234
What did she do?

How come there have been no builds focused on getting Icon of Icons, then having a companion generate some majin for you?

>>96510586
It was perfect
Make a better one, grognard

>>96510581
Not even close. OR barely even has time travel, and the best form of immortality has multiple straightforward counters.

>>96510603
Because thats a very weak focus
Anyone can come up with more elaborate combos and cooler asthetics

>>96510603
They wouldn't really be your friends or like you, just extremely loyal. Better to just take Royal Claim+Noble Inclination and be a good ruler.

>>96510529
You will never fuck Charlotte

magictards are insufferable

>>96510579
Let's leave that in mcyoag. We don't need to replicate the worst parts wholesale.

>>96510603
Because I would rather be the demon lord in this scenario

>>96510604
>Techfags
>Gunfags
>Magicfags
>Martialfags
Which are the worse?

>>96510513
>Sarmat's challenge is an attentiveness-check masquerade ball where you have to solve a murder mystery.
k-kino!

>>96510603
https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/"Icon%20of%20Icons"%20maou
There have been quite a few. They just didn't bother spelling it out.

>>96510586
I want to see yours.

>>96510579
Flat is best.

Luminescence of Man + Icon of Icons + Noble Inclination + Pukluxun + Zhuchka = god emperor

>>96510601
Raped one of their other sisters.

>>96510639
>Techfags
>Gunfags
Why did you repeat the same thing twice?

>>96510668
>Omega Heresy

>>96510639
>the worse
Gunfags are the worst. Then magicfags.
Martialchads and Techchads clear.

>>96510657
I'm too much of a readlet to read all the chicks, but that list had some shitty people at the top from what I remember.

>>96510676
/k/ and /sci/ are not the same board

>>96510680
Remember to choose Lyudi + Zemlya for maximum lore accuracy :)

Has any Dark Elf build come up with how they're going to fix the Eternal Curse?

>>96510689
/sci/ is literally just /x/

>>96510682
He put Thaumiel in S-tier. That's how trash the list was.

>>96510603
Fun fact: the Toybox has 2 Icons of Icons and 2 Daemonhosts.

>>96510695
I'm afraid that fixing the eternal curse is not an insular language bonus. So it's impossible.

>>96510705
Yes, and /x/ is just r/Jesus

>>96510708
Which list?

>>96510708
I really hope everyone who said they think Thaumiel is a kuudere was just joking

>>96510708
Holy, it's even WORSE than I remember. He must've been baiting.

>>96510682
You can do a partial list

>>96510695
>fix the Eternal Curse?
Tenyota + Inner Vision then spread the spell to everybody. It doesn't solve the unfeeling issue but it eliminates the inherent deadliness of the curse.

>>96510695
I feel like it'd be easier to fix it as a non-dark elf, Some anon came up with a theory for how Aat/Xian came up with the eternal curse so you could use that as inspiration for how to fix it.

>>96510496
Could you update for the latest version of my build pretty please anon?
https://rentry.co/qoppathetalyudiupdate

>>96510520
>>96510534
I re-balanced it for you

>>96510496
Someone should probably rate the solo builds, since they got left out of this one.

>>96510695
My dark elf build relies on Eternal Curse to ignore Bitter Sickness, fixing it would be actively detrimental.

>>96510495
SRTR has the lowest kill count by far. Think about it.

>>96510708
>>96510723
This list, Labeled wife tier list, has thaumiel down under "Never ever" and does not have an s tier
I, as author, will note that this is organised left to right, meaning thau is 5th to last

>>96510786
>Wouldn't
>Inga
Bad taste.

>>96510767
Now you just made her a cute kuudere

>Eternal Curse

How about Nezvana's trick? The curse doesn't work when they're below their "prime" age.

>>96510776
>Eternal Curse to ignore Bitter Sickness
Nope

>(redditor)"also, how f*cked up would you say someone with bitter sickness and Eternal curse be?"
>(tankista) "Pretty fucked up. This would likely be even harder to cure."

>>96510786
>Rhuncuphre not taking her rightful place at the peak.
She's going to gaslight you into killing your own harem Anon.

>>96510786
>cute kuudere not in Head Wife group
trash

>>96510788
She is both a narcissist (The bad kind) and a dead body in a doll, what are you hoping to get out of that?

>>96510798
She could literally just pretend to be a higher rated wife

>>96510790
That's intended, it's in the source material

>>96510805
>Narcissist
Wrong, she was objectively doing the right thing fighting the Nightmare.
>Dead body in a doll
Zombie + doll joins = erotic

>>96510767
That still isn't very balenced

>>96510726
How is she not a kuudere? If she isn't a kuudere what is she. She is quiet.

>>96510815
She could, but that doesn't erase the fact that she should've been there in the first place.

>>96510819
>Zombie + doll joins = erotic
This nigga gets his rocks off to pinocchio.

>>96510786
>Charlie: Dateable
>Omega: not on top
>Keter that low
>Reddit joke ghost at top
>Rhucuphre that high
>Wouldn't Maou
Yikes!

>>96510830
Pinocchio isn't a zombie, anon,

>>96510831
You are blind to life
You will never get it

You are forever trapped by your inadequacy, only able to eat what another has chewed for you

>>96510805
Her virtues are often misconstrued as failings of her character.
What she has is not pride — but dignity.
Not jealousy — but strong sense of justice.
Not greed — but ambition.
Loyal and regal. Mysterious.

>>96510839
He's a puppet brought to life, he's basically a wooden zombie.

>>96510671
Why did the sister not like it. What about family bonding.

>>96510786
>Du'um that low
I can't believe you failed to recognise the true kuudere anon.

>>96510759
Just the link or did you change something?

>>96510847
Silly Outsider, i can't be blind, I have All-Glimpse.

>>96510855
Because that sister is literally the only female in their entire family who wasn't a lesbian, even their mom is one.

>>96510853
That's not how that works.

>>96510860
Yes, I added some stuff (Pukluxun mostly) and did the write up of 32 of the 45 majin (The undone ones are because I couldn't theme around a letter with unknown meaning)

>>96510805
>this dude can't get off hot doll joints and perfect porcelain like skin
Reddit is two blocks down

>>96510859
I don't think they're a bad person, I just don't want to marry them

>>96510496
>and anyone who used the keter trick
Why aren't you rating them? The trick is cheap, granted, but they still made builds.

>>96510882
Same reason he didn't rate solos.

>>96510863
Wait where does it say their mom is into girls?

>>96510882
It's also very gay. No one wants to rate same builds all over.

>>96510496
>You have 12 people above "High priority" to learn from and each one will take atleast 2 months or so

Probably longer even with all the shortcuts, because language barrier is a thing and my selection of them is not great. I'll try to speed it up with custom ctreated tutor Majin supplemented by a direct mind reading, but extracting Meaning from someone thinking in completely different terms is difficult. Starsight is also of limited help here.

That said, I am not in a hurry to fight Charlie. I am not going to do it at all, she is a wonderful distraction. So the "High Priority" list mostly consists of the knowledge I need to nab as fast as possible, while its holders are still alive and easier to locate, then archive for study in the coming decades.

Not having to worry about old age coupled with a time travelling chair allows to take the long view.

>>96510895
One of the villains, Ethelgytha, is their mom's lover.

>>96510824
Unfortunate, but hard to change without twisting the source material. YMRD is just the best girl

>>96510905
So everyone in that kingdom is bi. What is wrong with that sister? Does she need to go to a straight conversion camp?

>>96510882
I just don't care?
I don't have any obligation, and I don't think someone using such a trick should care or be rated against others. They sacrificed meaning and their place in the world for power, at best they should be rated amongst themselves
>>96510892
I didn't rate solo's because they are slightly harder to rate, and have fewer interactions
I might do them later for that one guy who asked

>>96510901
I'll admit I didn't read them - but since the trick is meant to get more points IIRC, the end results is probably different from one person to the next, right?

>>96510923
Random variance, anon.

>>96510924
>They sacrificed meaning

>>96510796
Sure. This is the trick though - I am not going to cure it. I am perpetually stuck with a low endurance and foul moods, but can't feel any pain or change in appearance due to that. Moods can be somewhat helped by meditation, the rest I can live with.

>>96510924
>Meaningfag
Opinion discarded.

>>96510933
>>96510939
I don't think it will make them weaker, it's just booooorrrrriiiinnnnnnnngggggg
They have no texture to them

>>96510953
Keter's breasts have nice texture and meaning to them.

>>96510904
God I like you

>>96510953
They're not boring. They're using exploits to push a build to its limit.

>>96510924
>I just don't care?
rightly ignored, basing one's build on thread pointmaxxing meta is indeed lame and gay

>>96510974
They are using a copy paste exploit that reduces their childhood to numbers
I can tell when I am being bored

>>96510994
True 0^0 disciples.

Anyone remember if the Lusus Naturae social menace review thing ever dropped? I was randomly reminded of it and can't find it.

Does anyone know if all the death letter images are somewhere in the source files, neatly sorted?

>>96511003
Yes, no.

>>96510974
This allows them to make more options, often the same 'optimal' options, making each individual choice less meaningful and builds themselves more similar.

NTA, but I would do the same in his place.

>>96510994
I just want to be raised by the only woman on the planet who has been through what I've been through and doesn't want me dead. I want her to have a family again too, she's been through so much.

>>96509136
>Light Overlord starts off vastly stronger, but doesn't have limitless potential. If given many thousands upon thousands of years, a Dark Overlord will outpace them. Light Overlord also has somewhat less minion variety.
Dark Overlord can outpace the Light Overlord a lot quicker than multi-millenia time frame, if you just take Nest. One peon makes multiple Nests,, which in turn can make multiple peons, which in turn can make multiple Nests. And so on, which means you can in practice grow way way faster than the doubling rate per decade of a Light Overlord.

>>96511023
Then don't refund the languages
I did check

>>96511001
https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/92251865/#92254724

>>96511023
>the only woman on the planet who has been through what I've been through
Charlotte?

>>96511049
She wants you DEAD.

>>96511062
>She wants me [...]
Another win for Northerner chads.

>no warmachina builds reviewed
>not even ONE anon aspiring to the purity of the blessed machine
For shame
Make more robot builds

>>96510786
Your waifu is trash!

>>96511081
My warmachina build is solo and personal, sorry.

>>96511081
There was one upthread, it just sucked

>>96510481
It'll do shit against everyone else in the horde, which means you can invest way more into killing them, than otherwise. Two dudes manning a machine gun nest can fire as fast as an entire company of archers. meaning you can save the vast majority of the resources you'd otherwise spend on Archers on elite assets to take on Archdemons Vassals and whatnot. Even better, take Charity, and make use of how New and Old uses a relatively small amount of Vril compared to its value, meanwhile Charity gives you an almost comparable amount. You now end up gaining Vril by investing in horde-clearing, allowing you to invest almost all of your Vril into specialist assets and industry, and entirely ignoring any of the low-tier fodder options.

>>96511090
>Genderswap section
Honestly pretty based
I forgive you for being a retard and eating trash, you're a good man

>>96511098
>this shit again
Seethe

Goku Sasuke Master Chief Kakarot (ascendido, forma inicial) is a warmachina build.

>>96510928
A great part of your story is you going up, no one really likes the idea of Keter raising them, they just do for points, or they say they do like it, but its just a lie for points. And half of them want to fuck her too.

>>96511191
One + Keter is the best parent combo.

>>96511187
Fuck off, cringelord.

>>96511187
You're one of us, cringelord.

>>96511196
They have nothing in common, unless you headcanon something yourself. I'll admit that Keter at least is a great mentor, you're probably gonna escape your letter if you follow her advice, doubly so if she's also your companion.

>>96511212
NTA but they're both Outsiders. There must be some common ground in their pasts.

>>96511196
One + Rhucuphre would beg to differ.

>>96511224
That's like saying just because two people are bakers they have a lot in common, and Outsiders did not even chose being Outsiders. They were also born in vastly different eras, with different goals. You don't have common ground with the others just because you're and Outsider too.

>>96511090
>His trannification fetish selection is larger than his best girl selection.
extremely homosexual

>>96511235
Well, we're all from the same planet, and apparently from the same time period too. It could be used to build a rapport.

>>96511255
Wait, what? Is that actually confirmed that outsiders came from the same planet?

Some parent choices are criticized unfairly. People are always calling Pantorai bad but if you take him and aren't using Adoption, you are getting serious combat Mentoring as part of your upbringing.
Ratha is another example, she's not good on the point economy but you're getting drilled on How To Win In OR every night instead of a bedtime story.

>>96511227
Tasteful

>>96511255
They were also all chosen from /cyoag/.

Your Parents are only guaranteed to be your biological parents, they can leave freely.
If you pick Adoption, does it mean your Adopted Parents can leave freely also? So the only thing that's guaranteed is that they raised you at some point of time, possibly not even at the same time but sequentially?

>>96511090
You monster, what did Sonya ever do to you?

>>96511263
...Yes? All Outsiders are from Earth, and from modern time too. We're just being released with a 100 year gap.
It's been known for a while.

>>96511090
>Jsilbert
I'm listening anon

>>96511263
Bob, Katya, Charlotte, New New York as a capital of Exarchate... It is never spelled out directly, but implications are clear.

>>96510496
I despise you.

>>96511264
>you are getting serious combat Mentoring as part of your upbringing
That assumes Paxxia is interested in teaching you, or if she'll let you stay weak so you're not a threat. Remember, Pantorai is dead when you're born, your sister is raising you.

Anyway the issue is that a lot of parents teach you vague things that are outside of the System, so assigning objective value to them is troublesome. Mr. Overpriced himself, Taexx, teaches you magic using his body as an example. What does that mean? What can you learn from the failed experiments performed on him? We don't know, so we can't judge whether this is worth him costing so fucking much.

>>96511264
>Ratha is another example, she's not good on the point economy but you're getting drilled on How To Win In OR every night instead of a bedtime story.
If I have to go through a second childhood, then I want it not to suck ass

>>96511288
<3

>>96511102
If you spend all your time slaughtering hordes then the demons will just send higher tier units to decimate your gunners, leaving the hordes to overtake your armies. You're acting like the demons will just mindlessly send hordes after you, but that's not what is happening. They're intelligent beings.

>>96511275
That's nice, but still, you wouldn't have much common ground with an Indian politician or a Sentinelese tribal just because they're from your world, would you? Earth is a pretty big and diverse place. Even people in here get at odds with each other.

>>96511292
Fucking same, my parents loving me is a prerequisite before I choose them, literally everything else is secondary.

>>96511297
Third wolders can't be Outsiders.

One is a Kansas farm boy for sure
Charlie is a britshitter
Katya is a slav
Erginter is Mexican

>>96511290
He makes you a drakonid, is a powerful warlord and doubles as a unique mentor with some insights into draconic secrets. The genes are useful too. He is priced completely fairly.

>>96511090
Just IMAGINE if Aat was a girl and that half-undead that rejected her was a guy. Everyone would be saying he's turbo gay or has no dick.

>>96511305
Erginter?

>>96511305
Erginter is right there bro

>>96511305
But i'm on the Tide, though?

>>96511311
Counterpoint: Xaxas has all of those same things except she also has twice as much value in gifts for you to inherit.

>>96511264
He’s expensive and the gifts are shit.

>>96511319
Your build is invalid and JNPL won't puck you up.

>>96511320
She is a certified bitch while her knowledge starts and ends with "how to break faces". You can train clawing people today in a lot of places, but there is only one specialist on the applications of greasified eldtritch horrors to biomodifications, after Paxxia slaughtered all the rest.

>>96511227
>One + Rhucuphre
The moment One realises how much of a threat Rhucuphre is, he's going to attempt to kill her. He fought to the death with his student for much less. As for Rhucuphre, she's explicitly described as an extremely vengeful who hates the gods and what they stand for, it stands to reason that her hatred extends to one of their greatest champion.
You are going to survive their clash due to fate, however you'll be lucky to even one of them survive until adulthood. Anyone who picked this foolish combination will suffer a harder childhood than Charlie.

>>96511342
*today -> to death

>>96511342
Her entry specifically notes that she'll train you to your limits with a perfect understanding of your abilities and potential. She's basically explicitly giving you what you think makes Paxxia such a good 'parent'.
>Applications of greasified eldritch horrors to biomodifications
Anon, he is specifically a FAILURE. All his knowledge results in what he is: a fucking cripple he needs dragon corpse juice injected daily or he keels over and dies. He has no practical knowledge on that stuff to give you because every experiment done on him was a failure.

>>96511271
I'm just not into 12 year olds I'm sorry

>>96511277
I want an angry woman to hit me with a giant cross sometimes

>>96511313
FACTS

>can’t get daemonhost with JNPL
Fuck

>>96511358
Anon, you don't need to fuck her as soon as you're 18. Plus she's beastfolk, they mature faster, [JNPL] told me so.

>>96511358
Firstly, she gets older. The average age gap in OR is like 50 years with the elves
Secondly, that makes you a rube, a pervert and a fool. Women have more value then sex (Well this one does anyway)

It kinda sucks that the Keter/Thaumiel trick is so maligned when being adopted by her would actually make perfect sense for my build, but I do need to burn two-three languages to afford stuff, like I did with my bio-parents.

>>96511368
You're already Jesus, stop being greedy.

>>96511375
Why do you care about the opinions of retards?

>>96511271
She didn't tell me what the FUCK her Autoantecedence does