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>>96511507 (OP)
never enough points

>>96511555
XL's are about to become an even bigger liability.

I have set up some games to try the play test this weekend. The CASE damage cap of 10 does make all those clan invasion era IS mechs with XL engines feel less gimped to me.

>>96511574
There is a possibility XL rules might change.

>>96511593
Well, I'm interested to see what they do. I like what these two images are saying.

>>96511574
Sounds to me like you can now turn your mech when moving to protect your XL if one side takes a particularly nasty pounding.

>>96511625
You can. On the other hand you side torsos are easier to be concentrated on since damage won't get spread to the opposing side. That can be particularly bad against a more mobile opponent. Terrain not being taken into account.

>>96511625
Yeah, give and take, offense and defense. The question is if they're going to be in balance or not.

>>96511608
Me too, i like that this balances out ammo allot and if I want to run MGs for crit seeking I'm not gonna be penalized for doing so.

The only thing I need clearing up on is that if I have case II installed on one of the side torsos that cook an ammo explosion do I only apply the 1 damage to the rear armor?


For the side rules this honestly just makes sense in an actually combat scenario and brings up new tactics. Plus mechs with shield arms will see more tactical use.

>>96511645
It sounds like CASE II just works like it already does. 1 damage internal, the rest applies to rear armor.

>>96511663
How? Damage is reduced to 1.

WELP all Clantech is now UTTERLY FUCKED with the imminent death of XL engines. IS SUBREMEMACY FOREVER!!!

>>96511670
I took the "remaining damage" in the bottom bullet to refer to the damage remaining after you apply the minimum as determined by your level of case.
Deal 1 to structure, remaining damage is dealt to rear armor. For normal case, you deal 10 to structure, then blow back armor, and no case deals 20 to structure then blows back armor.
Unless the bullets are only germane to CASE II, the formatting is a little ambiguous IMO.

>>96511687
Implying the IS wasn't always superior.

>>96511574
The side torso that the enemy is on is about 14% more likely to be hit since it'll be hit on a 6 and an 8, but the other side is 100% less likely to be hit since it is no longer on the location table at all. If your side is mangled, turn the other side.

>>96511687
Clan XLs only have two Criticals in the Side Torsos though.

>>96511670
>>96511690
Also, the third of the top bullets explicitly mentions it behaves as it normally does, which I just now noticed.

What tech do you think should be standard on battlemechs and cost no weight? For me. It's TSM.

>>96512013
CASE after 3035 or so.

>>96512028
Its odd how it isnt built into all mechs by this point. There is no downside to having it.

>>96512028
Omnimechs all them prebuilt at no weight cost.

>>96511703
With the ammo explosion changes I see it as a net increase to survival chances for anything with an XL engine.

>>96511555
>>96511573
anyone remotely accepting or defending these changes hates battletech. constantly fucking with the rules to push new rulebooks and to focus your game on a shitty unfun tournament scene is just WH40k.

Ammo Explosions are sacred and make battletech uniquely fun. hit locations and the grit they bring are core to the game's identity and simplifying the hit location tables is a mortal sin. Total Catalyst Bankruptcy.

>>96512110
>constantly push new rulebooks
Total Warfare is seventeen years old

>>96512080
These rules propose that hits to the opposite side torsos now will circle back around and hit the torso you are facing instead. This increases the amount of hits on that side torso IMMENSELY. This means that side torso hits rack up WAY faster So any jumper can strip out your side torsos and ruining the XL engines within causing at BARE MINIMUM +10 for nothing AND even potentially wreck your engine WAY WAY faster than you are expecting. Something like 80% of all non IIC mechs for the Clans use XL engines. This chance KILLs THE CLAN TECH.

>>96512213
Closing the IS/Clan gap is a good thing.

>>96512150
Chainmail hasn't recieved a rules update in decades. It is a complete wargame rules system.

Battletech doesn't need to be fucked with.

>>96512069
Yeah, but it should be that all mechs have it. You can literally build it into the frame for free. Same as TSM, it's just better and shouldn't cost anything. Hell, it would give mechs a reason to overheat and maybe cut the usage of DHS a good bit.

>>96512213
Wouldn't it still be better for the jumpers to aim for RT?

>>96512214
Tourist here. Aren't Clan rules of engagement supposed to balance out the technological gap? Not to mention the fact that IS factions can field salvaged clan tech and/or new tech based on said salvage depending on where in the timeline you're at. Also BV.

>>96512240
Clan rules of engagement go out the window if the opponent violates them or they just don't like them, and 1v1s highly favor the clan side.

>>96512263
Are there not rules that incur a penalty on playing clan forces that ignore RoE? In the case of 1v1, is BV not relevant or just not really viable to enforce?

>>96512213
>Immensely
13.88%
I'd rather shove a jumper up your ass and hit your paper thin rear armor instead.

Thought you'd all like some advance copies.

Pg3

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And 5

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>>96512299
>not a campaign game
What would be the best way to run a BT campaign? Just add money and salvage rules?

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Pg 8

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12/12. I can put up the AGoAC changes later.

>>96512347
>I see no harm in giving people what they want if the result is unique, interesting gameplay and doesn't unbalance the weapon
More of this mentality please.

>>96512240
Clans pretty regularly stop extending batchals to spheroids after the clan invasion.

>>96512347
Sniktbub going standard excites me.

>>96512299
>deleting MJB
Cunt.

>>96512387
Yeah, that makes sense. They couldn't be THAT stupid, after all. My question was more about Zellbrigen, but I imagine the same applies.

>>96512416
Remember that this is just removing them from the BMM, not the game entirely, so MJB will just be moving to whatever new TacOps or TechManual is instead of having their rules in the BMM

>>96512240
Artillery is what closes the technological gap. That and the absolute refusal for any clanner to respect logistics until Alaric S-D S-D Ward came around.

>>96512362
Most of these changes make sense to me, I like the shields being per-phase and protecting you from the consequences of your own charge. Also being able to have two of them.
I do wish they'd fix mech mortars though. It doesn't need drastic changes, just a couple tweaks.

Remove PSR for mocing and firing Heavy gauss. Remove jamming rule for ulra AC. Is cgl allowed to be based?

>>96512438
The logistics stuff is pure fluff. We are told about ammo and rarely omnimech shortages but well into the dark age clanners are sending a single cluster after a regiment or even RCT(!) and winning, then doing the same thing again a month later.

I can't think of a time where they stomp an initial force but get mopped up easily by followups because they ran out of spare armor.

>>96512299
I have to say these changes are remarkably level headed and nice. Combined with the ammo explosion changes ballisticsfags gonna be eating good.

>>96512347
Ok I'm gonna be honest here. I was fully expecting CGL to completely shut the bed, but I'm actually pretty positive to most of these rules changes, and I'm a big fan of the improvements to melee in particular.

>>96512571
I'm pretty iffy on the ECM and the C3 rulings regarding line of sight for both.

>>96512571
>>96512580
It's important to remember that Xotl is in charge of this and he is a /btg/ user.

So after all the doomposting it turns out the changes are not bad at all.

Can't wait to see the "Missions" section of the playtest docs. I bet they'll be really cool.

>>96512592
>and he is a /btg/ user.

Maybe he was years ago, i don't he is now.

>>96512571
Same. It's weird seeing CGL NOT shit the bed.
I'm not against the C3 changes, but I am wondering why they didn't just make ECCM a core rule, given that there's a fair number of C3 mechs that carry ECM for ECCM.

>>96512668

>>96511511 ?

>>96512580
The ECM one is the big head scratcher. I understand drawing LoS through it was a pain, but having Artemis/Streak systems being functionally immune to ECM feels really bad. It should at minimum protect the unit that has the ECM system.

>Comstar stops the clans and lost most of their forces doing so
>The clans then fucked themselves up even more in a civil war
>Then the home clans cut themselves off from the IS clans
>Then the Blake thing happened
>IS had a long time to close the tech gap and...more or less kid of did.
>Then Clan Wolf decided it wanted to start the clan invasion again, despite them being against it in the first place
>They won of course and the birds helped
>Despite the IS still outnumbering the clans by a fuckton and were better off tech wise than back during the first invasion.
How!? Did everyone just go full retard? The Clans shouldn't be much of a threat, their numbers are too low and their tech isnt that ahead of anything the IS fields these days.

>>96512684
It was intended to still. Bad wording on the proposal.

>>96512691
You are neglecting that "starting the invasion again" was only against one country, not multiple. No one else gave a shit about the republic enough to want to save it.

>>96512697
That's a relief. Anyways, AGoAC coming up!

>>96512418
Clanners occasionally choose a total war approach to their opponents if they deem them unworthy, especially the hardcore psycho mongol doctrine jade falcons in the dark age.

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>>96512703
>Let's give the clans more territory and resources!
>This won't fuck us over later, no sir!

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>>96512717
Like it matters. Plot just happens regardless of whether it is reasonable for it to happen.

>>96512691
>IS had a long time to close the tech gap and...more or less kid of did
They didn't, no. Most IS mechs even by ilclan barely use clantech, many don't use clantech at all.

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So are we just lucky that Xotl is dumping this or are other Btech groups getting access to this as well?

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>>96512739
AGOAC leaked a while ago (early enough that some of this stuff has already been talked about in demo chat as being modified based on feedback, like initiative and maybe floating crits). I think gear is leaking for the first time.

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>>96512739
Bruh, I'm not Xotl. Just a guy who knows some people on the CDT.

>>96512734
Well, yeah, they use midway point weapons.

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9/9

As a note, they're already talking about changing a few thinga from AGoAC

>>96512764
You either have star league tech or sidegrades to star league tech. The "advanced" technology the IS develops on its own after rediscovering lostech is not at all a match for clantech.

>>96512739
This got shared with the demo team last week.

>>96512773
which is good: actual playtesting vs ram it through

>>96512340
Curious what they're gonna end up doing with Apollo FCS, just keep it at an additional -1 TN -1 cluster, or just make it Artemis but for MRMs, or something entirely different.

>>96512806
Xotl said he's gonna wait till they settle on something for MRMs before they work on Apollo. No point in making something for MRMs that they have to give up on if they change MRMs.

>>96512788
Going from Succ Wars stuff to Star League stuff makes an enormous difference. The elite units being almost entirely clan omnimechs instead of like 20% star league stuff is equally huge.

>>96512746
I actually like that regarding case.

Limiting the damage to 10 for case and having it in an XL engine location would actively make those mechs far more usable otherwise. Plus I won't have to scoff at seeing case being in my side torsos for those with XL engines.

>>96512847
The inner sphere never being able to standardize clantech and never inventing technology on par with it means the inner sphere never even comes close to closing the technology gap.
Every inner sphere state is still at a significant tactical disadvantage due to being technologically backwards a century after the clan invasion.

desu, while some stuff needs some streamline, most of this reeks of "newfags find this hard to understand, make it easier and closer to the videogames". Not only the gear rules, but all the leaked proposals so far.

>>96512870
A Heavy PPC or Gauss rifle at 500 meters are just as damaging and accurate as their clan equivalents. Being several tons heavier is relevant but not the same kind of overwhelming disadvantage as trying to fight a Stormcrow Prime with a Shadow Hawk 2H.

So how much will these rules invalidate all the other rulebooks like the tech manual and campaign operations?

>>96512964
For most players? They wont
Cant remember the last time any of the nearby FLGS's held any Catalyst sanctioned events.

>>96512912
>a heavy PPC
Laughable. A weapon worse in almost every every way except sheer damage.
>gauss rifle
One of the few IS weapons even close to being as good as a clan weapon and I'm sure you'll have noticed most IS mechs aren't carrying a bunch of gauss rifles.
Not to mention the advantage of clan ferro fibrous and endo steel still being almost exclusive to the clans and clan CASE basically being free equipment.
It's ridiculous to claim the IS ever caught up to clantech, IS tech still sucks.

It is ridiculous that the IS STILL hasn't caught up the Clantech after fucking 100 years

>>96512912
The problem with the Heavy PPC os that the Clan version has more range, weighs significantly less, and has no minimum range. In no way is it comparable to the Clan ERPPC, even inside 500m.

>>96513023
Don't worry. Once Clan Wolf takes over the the entire IS there will be only clan tech.

>>96513063
Motherfucker you just fucking compared them. Inside 500 one is heavier, end of differences.

I am not disputing that strictly IS tech is worse than Clan stuff I'm disputing that the disparity is the same in 3150 as 3050.

So reading all the changes I cant find much of anything to complain about in the equipment rules and the AGoAC rules changes feel like the kind of thing FASA would do every couple years just delayed and stacked up because its been 17 years since the rules have been touched.

I do think removing the facing after fall table is probably too much though. even if side facings are simplified falling on your left or right side would matter if you are more than 55 tons.

>>96513123
>Inside 500 one is heavier, end of differences
The heavy PPC is twice as bulky and the ERPPC has no minimum range.
Minimum range is important if you're proposing a close range fight with a combatant that probably has more speed to dictate the range of engagement in the first place.

>>96512309
>armour
Brits got ahold of Battletech. We're fucked.

>>96512637
>I bet they'll be really cool.
Oh REALLY now?!

It is ridiculous the the CLANS STILL haven't surpassed Clantech after a 100 fucking years!

The Macross vs your standard SLDF Fleet. How does it go?

>>96513180
Who is writing the episode?

>>96513167
>the CLANS STILL haven't surpassed Clantech after a 100 fucking years
It's been over 300 years by ilclan.

>>96513204
George lucas.

>>96513214
Macross. They got plucky teen aged pilots.

>>96513123
It is, though mixed tech designs have closed the gap a bit. The problem is Clantech at base deals more damage, has more range, weighs less, and takes up less space. Since every mech has the same amount of crit slots and free space (based on tonnage), that means Clan tech is nearly always more efficient. There are some exceptions like the Plasma Rifle, but the Clans in 3150 have Streak LRMs, clan-spec Rotary ACs' HAGs, FerroLam Armor, and a whole host of other new tricks while the Inner Sphere is still trying to figure out the Clans' old stuff.

>>96513227
I'm sure the Macross Cannon would be more of a factor than the Valks. Unless they are Super Valks and loaded with reaction weapons.

>>96513228
>The problem is Clantech at base deals more damage, has more range, weighs less, and takes up less space.
Now you know why it's disgusting!

>>96513023
All the great houses can produce "clan" tech in decent amounts. Luthien Armor Works builds clan XL engines, ERPPCs, pulse lasers, and armor.

What Btech faction is the most wholesome, baseball loving, apple pie eating, goes to church every sunday kinda dudes?

>>96513265
House Kurita

>>96513228
This reply was so stupid and illiterate it made me remember there is at least one person who shits up these threads by taking an indefensible position and then arguing about it until the thread dies.

>>96513299
It took you this long to notice? He has a couple other lines out that no one bit on.

does Hardened Armor work on Omnis now?
>>96513265
Coreward Confederacy, they're the America themed faction. Don't even have an official map though.

>>96513265
Circinus Federation.

>>96513023
You should read the books.

>>96513632
Good job thin your paints

>>96513632
Is this the project phoenix thunderbolt? ew

>>96513640
;w; ty

>>96513656
Hel

>>96513632
>>96513658
>>96513665
I don't hate it. You're getting better

Imagine spamming smeared paintjobs every thread from your Google phone

>>96512045
>electrical wiring in the early 20th century
It's odd how it wasn't built into every house by this point. There is no downside to having it. Think about this analogy for a minute.

>>96512240
Tabletop or lore wise? It doesn't matter, the answer is still the same: No. Lorewise, it varies by clan and era but generally it's easy enough to ignore zell if you want to ignore zell. Tabletop thirty something years ago pre-BV, for every Clan player that would try to use zell to balance the imbalance, there would be two or three other people that would demand to balance scenarios by equal tonnage and would throw zell out the window, at least in central Jersey. The intent of FASA was that players would balance scenarios, but that was naive of them. BV, like the legal system, was introduced to correct for dysfunctional people and psychopaths.

It sometimes seems like the imbalance is not as bad as it is because of just how many of the Clan mechs in the 3050 book are complete garbage, but there are a few good ones in there. Artillery kind of makes up for it, but not really when the Clan player knows what they're doing. That also opens up the zell restrictions which creates another set of problems.

Clan pulse lasers break the game a bit in the Invasion Era. I'm not aware of a good way to fix them, other than removing them, which then breaks other things. The easiest way to deal with it is to just accept that IS lights (and some mediums) don't exist for a few years.
>most of them were shit anyway, you'll be all right

>>96513856
>electrical wiring in the early 20th century
>It's odd how it wasn't built into every house by this point. There is no downside to having it. Think about this analogy for a minute.

They are not even remotely comparable. What are you smoking? TSM is a straight upgrade to regular myomer muscles. It isn't a debate.

>>96513876

NTA, I'll give you a hint:

Logistics and circumstance.

>>96513915
This isnt some bumfuck nowhere, ass hat. The majority of IS mechs should have TSM as standard. The damn thing was invented 100 years before the current era. Even some of the damn clans are using it. TSM is one of the few advantages that the IS has and gives a reason to not take Double Heat Sinks.

>>96513678
Post mechs

>>96512329
So they're increasing the cost of c3 whilst lowering its functionality (requiring LOS)
A full lance of c3 under current rules is 20% more BV.
the new modifier is 30%. so at this point everyone is paying for c3 as if it's a full 6 unit c3i network. That is painful. ECCM is no longer a *hard* requirement maybe but that doesn't change the fact that they increased the cost significantly whilst both giving a small boost to non eccm forces, and nerfing spotters.

>>96514100
C3 was already too expensive to be seen as viable, and the fix is to make it more expensive. Great job guys! 10/10

>>96513876
Dude, electrical wiring is objectively better than not having electrical wiring. It isn't a debate.

>>96513261
Clan-grade XLFE is explicitly only capable of being produced by Defiance Industries in their Hesperus megaplex. It's specifically brought up in the description of the Rec Guide Gunslinger variant, which started development before the Blackout as a joint DI/LAW project. After the Successor States went back to fighting each other the relations between the two corporations deteriorated and the Dracs now have to buy the engines for the Gunslingers they're building from the Sea Foxes.
Clantech heat sinks, internal structure, armor, and many weapons are commonly produced by IS factions, though. They're just expensive enough that it's economically unviable to make every mech full Clantech. Using an IS chassis with Clan-grade weapons or heat sinks is cheaper and does more or less the same job.

>>96511555
>>96511573
These changes unironically seem based on some vidya logic.

>>96512892
>>96514418
>videogames
Please explain.

>>96514443
A certain kind of nerd (wrongly) believes that tabletop games are more respectable than video games, and resents any efforts to make rules more user friendly because it makes them feel less special for having learned them.

>>96511573
>>96511555
Xotl must die

>>96512616
Yes they fucking are. ANY CHANGE IS BAD. Fuck CGL and fuck anyone who supports this shit. Your no better than the worst GW drones.

>>96511573
At least they seem to have dropped ammo explosions only doing 1 pilot hit. The leaked document earlier made pilots way too survivable

>>96511555
I don't understand what the point of this even is. You get to remove one table from the game, I guess?

>>96514494
To make the tabletop more like MWO where you can turn to shield a side. They've always wanted to make Battletech more like a video game, that's the whole reason behind Alpha Strike. Now they're doing it again.

Mechs with Wheel-Lock guns, i say.

>>96514556
Mechs with bolt action rifles.

>>96514508
>more like MWO where you can turn to shield a side
Weren't they always supposed to do that and the rule just sucked?

>>96512324
Why give caseless to racs but not to uacs?

>>96514608
napoleonic line infantry mechs.

>>96514443
More to do with the whole promoting torso twisting to avoid fire which is something you see more in vidya than tabletop. Not necessarily a bad idea to copy but am inclined to agree a bit with >>96514508 Does make it a bit like MWO. I think even the C.A.S.E. changes are based off of MWO mechanics but not up to speed on that?
>>96512336
>Bombast laser changes
Finally. They should also make it 2 crits so it can be easily mounted on the CTR. Let the cheeks glow!

You will never live to see the mech tercio. Blocks of hachetmen covering archers. I am inconsolable.

>>96514637
At the very least it's completely reasonable, and fits the fluff.

>>96514608
That's fucking stupid but also I'd love to run a mech with one. Freehand weapons should be expanded on beyond clubs, even if they're inferior to mounted weapons. Like something they use in the Periphery to compensate for being unable to maintain the advanced weaponry on whatever shitbox they're running.

They ever gonna fix UACs?

>>96514771
Read the equipment leak above.

>>96514771
The dev wants to completely drop jamming as a rule, so... yeah

>>96514743
I agree, handheld weapons need a revamp.

Can you guys sell me on UAC? I love LBX but not sure about UAC

>>96514853
If you are looking for a weapon that has a chance to jam each time you double fire it with maybe a 50% chance that second shot will even land on the target you are aiming at then its the weapon for you?

>>96514743
>>96514829

>>96514872
That hand diagram is great.

>>96514716
>torso twisting
You keep using this term incorrectly. In actual BT tabletop, torso twist only involves rotating your firing arcs, not turning the mech to shift where you take fire from.

>>96515100
K but in vidya it literally is twisting the torso to shift where you take fire from so the analogy still stands?

>>96514443
In MWO (and BT videogames) ammo explosion dont destroy your mech. In the same games "loosing" a leg is not total destruction, it just it going limp and getting less speed. Thats a couple among a number of the new proposed changes.

Its not if a game is more "respectable" than a videogame. Those are two diferent things. If you want simpler rules, go to fucking WH40K, or just play MWO.

>>96514867
The jam chance isn't that big. There's a 25% chance to jam it within 10 turns if you double-tap every turn. 25 turns to have a 50% chance of jamming.

>>96515168
No one cares about the video games

>>96514853
Standard AC/10 or LBX/10 cannot threaten PSRs, UAC/10 can.
I'm not saying the odds are good but you already chose to bring ballistics instead of PPCs

>>96515176
In MWO ammo detonations not contained by CASE pretty much always kill the mech, I'm not sure what you'd consider "destroyed".
You can sort of use arms as CASE, ammo in the arm usually stops cooking when that falls off, but otherwise I don't recall ever seeing an ammo explosion not eventually burn through the center torso.

>>96515217
Well someone clearly does if they're going to copy video game tactics to use as tabletop rules.

>>96515234
>copy video game tactics
The same writers doing the TW update did the Leviathans book. Levs has this idea of rotating to hide wounded locations as part of the core rules.

Ergo, invoking the video game instead of Levs implies you don't know what you're talking about.

>>96515217
Considering that content from vidya has occasionally filtered through to tabletop may not care about it but unfortunately can't ignore it.
>>96515228
I remember someone saying like a decade ago that due to PGI retard coding if an IS XL had C.A.S.E. it would render all ammo inert.

>>96515228
If you use a XLFE, iirc. I played MWO a long ago (before the golden clan mechs) and seeing zombie mechs without side torsos just dragging around was pretty common.

>>96515246
You mean the game that only two people have ever played and nobody actually cares about?

>>96515246
>Levs has this idea of rotating to hide wounded locations as part of the core rules.
Are you not aware you could already do this with combat vehicles?
Them often having their main armament in a 360 degree rotating turret meant you could easily just rotate the hull to focus incoming fire on fresh facings while still fighting.

>>96515269
What, you don't think the writers are influenced by what they've previously playtested and implemented before?

That's like saying a director's early work has no through-lines to his current work because less people watched it. Nonsense take.

>>96515269
The game that is only now isstarting to deliver partially to the KS backers after YEARS? And only in the US? That game?

>>96515269
Damn, is it really just me and NEA?

>>96515263
If you use an ISXL in MWO you're still immediately dropping from a single side torso loss, or two side torso losses if you're using a light engine or clan XL. You basically never see standard engines except heavy gauss builds because crits can't be shared between components in that game.

>>96515292
Sad to say, mostly for NEA, but that game will be just a blip, and then will be forgotten. Way too much time wasted by CGL uselessness.

>>96515273
Levs is literally "what if combat vehicles were the whole game" so yes, thanks for bringing that up.
There's so many more consistent placed within the FASA/CGL line up that the writers are pulling from rather than this dunce who thinks a microsoft product is the driver for this change

>>96513876
You did not think about my analogy. I was responding to the comment about CASE, but TSM fits neatly into my analogy as well, so take a minute and think about it.

Homes were still being built in first world countries in the 1930's without electrical wiring. Why? There is literally no downside to being wired for electricity.
>first hint: yes, there are downsides, although they're hard to imagine for someone born in the last twenty years
>second hint: >>96513915

>>96515273
You can technically do this in Aerotech when it comes to Warships but even less people played that and even then its not always advisable.
>>96515279
Shitting on someone for not knowing the idea came from a super obscure product only a handful have had access to is peak faggot behavior.

>>96515312
It seems really weird for you to assert they got the idea from another obscure TT game when it was already present in this one.

>>96515341
We're more shitting on him for consistently using the term Torso Twist incorrectly despite being informed of the correct usage

>>96515341
If you don't know the body of work of the writers you deserve to be mocked for assuming they're video gamers.

>>96515356
Then mock for that. Not for not knowing about the mechanics about a product that CGL severely mishandled and are shitting the bed with still to this day.

>>96515353
You didn't look at the credited writer for Levs did you?

Anyway. I'm pointing to Levs rather than vehicles because Levs is recent, and more importantly: spends a great deal of rulebook space teaching players how to rotate to avoid damage (or maneuver to strike weak locations) etc. Clearly Randall had this sort of gameplay on his mind in the last few years. It isn't surprising he's overseeing changes to TW that make it more consistent gameplay for mechs.

>>96515397
Don't suppose you got copies of the rules to share please anon? Know can't unfortunately upload PDF's but even just snippets? Be nice to be able to compare them to what is being proposed to Battletech.

>>96515397
If Randall wants to make a new game, the Gothic shit is perfect for that. Leave the BT ruleset as is, and implement all his shitty changes in that abomination for 40kids.

>>96515424
Not him, but: The important part here is that firing arcs in Levs apply to both incoming and outgoing shots. You can see the firing arcs on a battleship, visualized here as it aims at a destroyer with some templates I printed and painted. The destroyer's fore half is in the battleship's fore-starboard arc, so attacks from the destroyer's side guns will hit the battleship's fore-starboard section. But the destroyer's stern is in the battleship's bow arc, so if it has a stern turret, those shots will hit the bow.

Obviously Battletech's rules changes are nowhere near this radical, but Levs is a different game.

>>96515494
(I hate phoneposting)

>>96515397
Does it say the change was inspired by leviathans or a mechanic already present in battletech? If it does not say, I will assume it was based on the thing you can already do in battletech.

I think people are severely underestimating the size of the mechs in relation to getting shots in on the opposite side from where you're standing. Or that the mechs aren't actually standing still most of the time when getting shot. Hell, there's an "advanced" hit location table in TacOps that'd shut up most of the people complaining about it being unrealistic to hit places from the flanks that the writers have seemed to forgotten

>>96515311
CGL constantly getting fucked for cheaping out and outsourcing to china instead of producing in the US.

>>96515546
[insert 40 posts of arguing about mini prices and talking about china bad, everyone in thread loses Social Credit]

>>96515546
Don't worry, their purchase of IWM definitely won't be bad for us.

>>96513678
I'm imagining it <3

>>96513670
ty! <3

i derrped out and forgot I didnt clean up some of my oils in the last pics I posted. was too eepy. fixed it up this morning.

kinda tricky to photograph since it's all gloss or metallic.

not sure if I need to make any adjustments? dunno if cockpit or weapon glow??

>>96515176
>bait post
I've killed plenty of Annihilators in MWO by legging them into a CT death ammo explosion. You're talking like you've played those games when you clearly haven't.

>>96514853
You get a touch extra range. The potential damage increases for 10s and 20s can be very good. For the clusters, with the 10 you get "surprise PSR" and for 20, your opponent will shit themselves.

They're not really worth it imo but they're not as bad as others make it out to be. Just allow them to unjam like RACs do and the biggest issue with them is gone.

>>96515494
>>96515500
Thanks anon for sharing you're a faggot for phoneposting but an alright faggot in my books.
From the surface of what you described it does not seem really that much different to any other tabletop game featuring hexes and fire arcs i.e. where you fire from and where you hit is what you hit.
Would be curious if Levs has any unique mechanics that might be translated to Battletech in the future but so far just seems fairly generic?

>>96515588
Shooting legs is dishonoribu

>>96513931
>This isnt some bumfuck nowhere, ass hat.
Dude my Great Grandparents didn't have indoor plumbing.
That was the 60's!

>>96515323
>Homes were still being built in first world countries in the 1930's without electrical wiring.
Thank you Rural Electrification Act of 1936!

>>96515246
Battlemechs confirmed to be products of the land battleship committee.

>>96515292
Yes. Now convince them to do Crimson Skies instead.

>>96515550
Your proposal is acceptable.

>>96515622
Well fuck now what would his mech be or what would he design?
>>96515635
>Crimson Skies
What even is happening with that franchise after it basically crashed and burned?

>>96515676
Still owned by the FASA Inc. holding company. Presumably till Weisman figures out how to monetize it in a way that sparks his particular brand of autism.

>>96515589
https://files.catbox.moe/e9sgb5.pdf
18.2mb file is too big to upload here.

Take a look at the offensive and defensive screening rules starting on page 20.

cockpit suggestions?

>>96515676
>what would his mech be or what would he design?
Regent for the cigar, but he'd try to build it with ICE because that bastard loved ice almost as much as he loved Greeks and military blunders.

Can't be the hauptmann because he hated krauts almost as much as he hated the irish

>>96515740
Hot pink! With whale skin hubcaps!

Not all changes will be shown for testing.

>>96515714
Thank you nicely anon. I shall have a good read through when I can.

>>96515713
Probably will try a kickstarter for a project and sell it immediately as soon as it turns a tiny profit.

>>96515588
>Killing Annihilators
>Introduced in 2017

Keep adding grime layers to that mini newfag. I was killing munchkins in Muromets and laughing at the faggots buying golden Clan mechs while you still were finger painting with your feces.

>>96515757
I didn't even realize standing gave you 1 point heat per attempt... and I don't think I've ever seen anyone use that rule?

>>96515748
I was pondering a red/orange monoeye, but the cockpit has metal bar thingies on it and I think it breaks it up too much? That or maybe a green?

If I make the cockpit red/orange, then the weapons should be green (or vice versa, but orange weapon glow looks like nerf guns)... Hrmpf.

>>96515794
OwO?

I have the legendary founders Atlas or whatever it's called. I played when there were still repair bills and the head hitboxes were gigantic.

... Not sure which parts of this you think are grimey lol?

>>96512110
This.
Ammo explosions are wonderful and should not be changed.
Improving tech to make them less boom, would be acceptable but not necessarily welcome.
Luckily, I only play pre-Clan Succession Wars era, so the new tech would not bother me, for the most part.

>>96512150
Battletech is over twice that and perfectly fun without updating to TW. Most of TW can be cast aside as playing past 3048 is pointless and boring unless you are playing a video game.

>>96511573
>capping ammo explosion damage
Absolutely dezgra.

>>96515810
>and I don't think I've ever seen anyone use that rule?
Exactly why it's getting removed.

>>96515810
Whatever you say newfag.

As for grimey, you use just too fucking many paint layers. It looks like layers of scum over a rock. probably you like that style, but its just horrible.

>>96515848
Wait, would Convees get the same Ammo explosion damage cap?
It would kind of make sense that the Mech's sections act as an inadvertent CASE system where limbs could be lost without much damage carrying over to the rest of the machine.

>>96515918
Doesn't really matter for convees, they only have 10% of weight as internal structure.

>>96515894
They're called boxcars and snake-eyes you tourist.

>>96515893
>newfag

I'm fairly sure that's just bottom anon

>>96516265
hi

>>96512358
AP ammo is now actually viable, VLK-QD2 with the tcomp and AP ammo has some opportunities to do some crazy shit and punch well above it's weight now. Like a decent chance of deleting a mech with just two LAC/2s.

>>96512362
>precision AC/20 now gets 4 shots/ton

Holy fuck, total light mech obliteration. Zero reason to not take precision on every single mech now, massive W for autocannon chads.

>>96517007
Combine that with the Rifle Rules here >>96514872 and just go around with racks of Specialty loaded AC/10s?

huh

>>96517368
Total XLE death

>>96517372
That is how non-floating TACs hitting the side arc already works. You only TAC the CT from the front or rear arc.

>>96516743
Honestly this just seems like a huge mistake, letting every shot from an AC/2 have a 1/6 chance of causing a critical hit is stupidly powerful as this has pretty much zero drawback if you're only losing on 20% ammunition. Hell, with AC/2, you could keep the full 50% ammo loss and this would still be an auto-take.

Finally, the Mauler will be good.

ac/2 carrier sisters we're so back

>>96512358
What's the purpose of LBX 2 and 5 now?

>>96517713
Full damage to infantry :^)

Finally

>>96517007
>Zero reason to not take precision on every single mech now
Try playing in a time period that hasn't rediscovered the tech

>>96517873
Light mechs aren't getting 6+ modifiers in 3025, grandpa.

>>96517700
Gonna Pike so hard.

>>96517908
Precision ammo comes out in 3062. There is plenty of shit going on before then.

Holy fuck those armor piercing changes.

>>96517932
Magistracy of Canopus: Dykes in Pikes when?

>>96517007
>Zero reason to not take precision on every single mech now, massive W for autocannon chads.
You only have 1t of ammo and want AP

>>96517933
When does AP?

I like those AC changes, but I think we can go further and at the same time LBX cannons will need some love too.

>One of these tires weighs 5 tons
>Umas can drag these things for a long time
>Made even worse since it's on the wall, and has even more resistance on it
>A team of maybe 10-20 umas could pull down an Atlas.
Umas make elementals look like chumps...

>>96518325
My uncle worked at the only horse slaughterhouse in the USA. He'd chop up horses all day and then they'd turn it into dog food or send it over the border for Mexicans to eat.

I think they need to address UAC cluster somehow. For instance, give every AC bonus to cluster roll. Like AC20 +1, AC10 +2. AC5 +3. AC5 +4.

>>96518367
Ultras get extra range though. What if the cluster table didn't change, but both shots hit the same location?

>>96518367
If they remove the jam, there's really nothing wrong with the clustering as-is. I don't think people really think the implications through. Having UAC 10s do 20 damage on a 6 or higher, out to 18 hexes, for only 8 heat is a massive buff. Why bother with LBX at that point?

>>96518352
Cool I guess? But still. Umas would make great elementals. Can run at 50mph, jump 30ft in the air, stronger than any human could hope to be.

>>96518147
>Magistracy of Canopus: Dykes in Pikes when?
Yes.

>>96518325
>>96518463
Buddy we got outright Centaurs!

>>96518517
Didnt they retcon that stuff into it being cybernetics?

>>96518444
AC special ammo
UAC more range, less than 50% change to do double damage
LBX less heat more range, cluster ammo
Yeah, buffing UAC becomes a problem with 10 and 20, while unbuffed 2 and 5 are shit.
How about
AC20 and 10 0
AC5 +3
AC2 +4
for both UAC and LBX cluster roll

>>96518530
>Didnt they retcon that stuff into it being cybernetics?
Not explicitly, and considering the shit Clan Geneticist pulled I'd find it insulting if they did.

>>96518530
I don't think they ever addressed it again. It's probably not true genetic engineering of a person, more likely lab grown skin grafted on cosmetic cybernetics. There's no real reason for them to exclude cybernetics from the equation and it's a lot more feasible to just surgically alter showgirls than try to create a whole new genetic lineage.

>>96518623
I mean it was Star League era, it might not have been a full genetic alteration as much as an advanced biograph.
Basically, a Cybernetic prosthesis, but organic.

If I wanted to paint some tanks in a manner close to this, but more thick tiger stripey and with a lighter gray, which faction would it represent best? Preferably Inner Sphere because there’s more figures available.

>>96518643
2547 is pre star league. Cybernetics with convincing skin over them is a known technology, bioware isn't.

The Star League had genetic alteration, the tame end was engineering colonists for specific planets such as to live on higher gravity worlds or with mildly contaminated air. Those people may look a little strange, but they mostly appear normal outside of medical examination. The high end extreme top secret stuff includes worlds like Frobisher where they engineered fish (actually probably more like seals) people with gills and flippers and stuff. But Frobisher was never truly completed and the altered colonists needed regular gene therapy to keep their bodies stable. After the Star League fell, most of the scientists took the last jumpship out of there to Canopus and then the remainder fell prey to highly motivated pirates of mysterious origin who laser targeted all the high tech facilities, leaving the fish people to develop severe genetic defects. I ain't saying it was Canopians, but they sure did know it was there and have a vested interest in high tech medical technology.

>>96518735
Bro...it was time traveling clans!

>>96518751
Time and space, considering it's about as far from clan space as something can be while still on the map.
It is likely that the Minnesota Tribe passed by there though, since there are relics of theirs to either side of it.

>>96518770
>since there are relics of theirs to either side of it
wait, wut?

>>96518798
They found a big trove of stuff just 20 lightyears coreward of McEvedy's Folly, which means it forms a tight triangle with Frobisher and is less than 30 light-years from it. Basically the timeline for the tribe is they showed up in Drac space, attacked a couple worlds for supplies, then moved towards Fed Sun space, then popped up in the rimward periphery and the last known trace is heading out to the deep deep deep periphery beyond Canopus.

>>96517713
Lawndarting ASF and clapping Vtols. Same as it ever was.

>>96518697
>Cybernetics with convincing skin over them is a known technology
It's also a boring copout!

Why are the Clanmechs equipped with MG in the first place? I mean they use the Elementals primarily and MG's pretty much useless against them

WIP. Didn't mean to paint it the same color as unpainted plastic but once highlights are done the grey should pop out better.

>>96519344
I honestly don't like the OSL, but it's nicely enough done. If you like it, it's cool. Basecoats are clean and even. Nicely done.

>>96519344
The awesome is just kind of a big menacing brick i love it. I really need to paint mine. But i need to do so much else first. And king crab gets painted before that because big crabby boy, and I need urbanmechs and infantry done for a campaign event, and... and... and......

>>96519393
Got enough tonnage there for a 10k game anon?
Alternately
>nice kuritan list
Your opponents pilotss are all going to be aces, and those tanks will die. The wires is will they kill something early enough to make make that disparity irrelevant

Recommendations for a crusader in the 3050's that isn't the 4BR? I've had a tough time with that one and I just want to spray some missiles

>>96519381
Yeah it needs some work my paints are in terrible condition especially my white unfortunately. I've done a similar but better effect on plasma guns & shit but that was years ago.

>>96516217
It's the exact same thing.
>OMG I rolled a twenty can I describe myself instantly blowing him up no matter what?
>oh man, this is gonna be the BEST story, the time I rolled the funny number and instantly won!

>>96519394
I was disappointed to see how squat and derpy it looked in mw5 compared to the CGL sculpt. Although that goes for all the mechs in mw5.

My group is doing an inner-sphere pre-3025 campaign. I don't want to be a meta chaser, but if you had to build a lance of any 4 mechs that meet this criteria and you wanted to win... what would you pick?

>>96519409
You're right. I should play something a little more fluffy and light hearted

>>96519344
Awesome nipples.

>>96519314
To shoot down Labor Caste shitters.

>>96519393
Having HPPC carriers and then just a regular Charger 1A5 is certainly a choice

>>96519487
just play the ones you like that you have painted minis for you faggot

>>96519494
>I should play something a little more fluffy and light hearted
>ass cancer list
Atta boy, I kek'ed

>>96519479
Yes.

Battletech isn't about winning or losing. It's about watching the funny robots blow up in stupid ways.

>Round 1
>LRM 5 shot at max range on 12s
>Box cars
>A single point of damage makes it through
>Though Armour Critical on fresh ammo bin
>Very first shot of the game sends up a fresh heavy mech like the 4th of july
>Me and my opponent are both howling with laughter
>Many jokes about Blakes guiding light were made
>Game was still almost a draw

Go back to playing 40K if you're allergic to fun.

>>96519487
What criteria? Just "made before 3025"?

3x Awesome 8Q and 1x King Crab 010 if you're being nice. 4x Timber Wolf Ds if you aren't.

So what's up with Mercenaries DLC, is it worth it? From which clan was protagonist dad? Is bullshark just dropped into the game's store or it's part of the plot?

>>96515894
fuck you, when my opponent rolls an ammo crit and I crumple up my record sheet and throw it away without looking, that's a riveting narrative moment.

>>96519524
Shoot. That was supposed to be a 1A5

>>96519487
Any lance? No restrictions?

>>96519515
It's cheap, it's efficient max armoured, it's 4/6, and it sure as hell will dissuade anybody from wanting to get under the min range of the Manictores.

>>96519532
>Father was a filthy fucking cl*nner

>>96519487
Awesome 8Q
Wolverine 6M
Hunchback 4H
Hermes 1B

>>96519559
I mean last mission in the main campaign is defending Clanners Briach Cache from Comstar.

>>96519570
Well at least it's not an yiff

>>96519487
>Awesome 8Q
>Hunchback 4G
>Thunderbolt 5SE
>Phoenix Hawk 1D

>>96519570
>>96519581
They will never put the spotlight on any of the interesting clans (they killed them all anyways)

>>96519528
>>96519535
>omg a twenty that means I won!
>this is going on the official battletech subreddit!

>>96519594
>not canon/10

>>96519594
I'm so tired of this mech.

They should remove headshots.
And crits.
Also separate hit locations, it should just be one.
Facings too, get rid of those.
Combine armor and internal structure into a single value as well.

>>96519625
And having to track all your weapon shots and heat is too cumbersome.
They should just condense it all down into a single roll.

>>96519635
They should remove the minis and just use cardboard tokens.

>>96519641
Hey stop suggesting good ideas

>>96519625
>>96519635
>>96519641
I hope they remove (You) next.

Bug regiment standee box when? Do you expect me to run the Atlas vs a Stinger battalion scenario with 36 pennies and a quarter?

>>96519701
Don't forget, before you play a scenario you need to have at least three different CGL paints and a CGL grass tuft applied to your model.

Husband and wife mercenary duo, one's in a Salamander, the other's in a Viking. Which is which?

>>96519775
Salamanders are smooth with nice curves. But the male in there.

>>96519344
>>96519505
>Awesome nipples.
Heh heh...

>>96519701
>Bug regiment standee box when?
NO!
Bug Lance Standee Card Packs!
Will you get the Super Rare Holographic Flea?!

>>96519795
...fuck, id buy boxes to try and get a holoFlea. That's fucking rad.

>>96519775
Vikings were a female dominated and cuckolded society, like all societies who don't properly treat their women as objects, so it only makes sense to put the woman in that one.

>>96519576
Notice how they never let you join comstar

What if...hear me out...WHAT IF! We build heatsinks into weapons?

>>96519928
Before there were rules for hatchets, the Hatchetman's man hatchet was supposed to be a laser and some heat sinks on a stick. The hatchet head was for heat sink surface area.

>>96519943
That's funny.

>>96519943
Fluff wise it was still a hatchet, the laser and heat sinks were just some extras built in.

>>96519775
The man should take the Viking. It has a higer risk reward spread because it has less armor, generates more heat, but has TC for more accuracy. That's much more manly than good armor and manageable heat.

>>96519625
That is called basic battletech rules, we had that since Battledroids. What we call battletech now used to be expert rules.

>>96519943
That's oversimplifying it. It had a blade, and its cleaving ability is mentioned multiple times. As is dipping the hatchet in water to sink more heat. Just no rules for hatchets, and no hatchet on the specs.

>>96519616
>>96519618
>uninspired bloatmaxxed fanon assault mech
>introduced in HBS TumblrTech
>MWO shills it to whales to keep the lights on
Made by people with no identity for people with no identity

>>96520398
It's neat for the rimward periphery to have a worse annihilator in artisanal workshop production that makes Nasty K seethe every time she sees one and some of the better educated clanners freak out twenty five years later.

>>96520398
Nobody got this mad about the Corsair at least

>>96520349
HCT-3F: after swapping out its AC10 with a LL, on what should it use the saved weight? bigger engine to make it go 5/8? or more armor?

>>96520751
armour

>>96520751
A noose for the mechtech after ruining a perfectly good HCT-3F.

If I take the premise seriously, it probably need sinks. You're adding 5 heat an alpha to a mech that only has 11 singles and doesn't want to be losing MP.

>>96520783
>STAnon

>>96520751
Any Hatchetman I've used that didn't go 5/8/5 did nothing but die ingloriously.

I think making MG ammo not a thermonuclear bomb is alright.

>>96521125
You don't deserve to be part of this fan base. All change is bad. Get out.

>>96520398
Accurately summed up. I would say its the new Ragnarok but even those fags were not as obnoxious as Bullshart fans.
>>96520669
I hate the Corsair as well but I can at least respect it with what they were trying to do. Similar to the Roughneck its execution wasn't the best but at least it was a nod to something that was referenced a fair bit in lore but never really seen.

>>96521125
You better be implying that an MG explosion should turn into a portable supernova that destroys an entire star system instead?

>>96521189
Did you know that a bin of MG ammo is actually the projectile for NAC/40s?

The B.F.E militia field a large number of MG equipped technicals for general purpose combat. It has been found that the MG is very effective at deceiving crews that they are in a combat vehicle and not a tele-operated VBIED.

>>96521228
The TacOps optional rule that makes ammo explosions hit nearby units gets very silly very fast the moment MG ammo starts to get involved.

>>96521247
It does let you recreate Mad Max Fury Road though?

Almost done with Warrior: En Garde. Near the end of the novel proper (I've yet to finish the epilogue), the dying Patrick Kell addressed Melissa Steiner as "Cousin". While I've been told before "cousin" can be used as a generic term for distant relatives (https://desuarchive.org/tg/thread/78956951/#78981201), shouldn't Patrick have addressed Melissa as "Niece" instead of "Cousin" since the former and his brother Morgan are her uncles since they were cousins to her deceased father Arthur Luvon?

>>96521393
>are her uncles since they were cousins
The further the relation, the greater the grade of cousin. Cousin to her father would make them 2nd cousins.

>>96521393
Their cousin's children are their second cousins. Some folks do use the terms like uncle and niece for that sort of relation but it's one of those things some families do and some don't, and it's not the proper terminology.

>>96521228
>>96521247
BFFL Drone Bomb.

>>96521505
>and it's not the proper terminology.
This. Uncle is only used for convenience and not relation. It's like my best friend who I was the best man for has his boy call me uncle though we have no relation.

>>96521493
>>96521505
>>96521516

Ah. What was said in >>96521505 about how "uncle" is used being case-by-case is something I'm more familiar with in my family, so the usage of "cousin" in this franchise perplexes me.

>>96521580

On that note, given how Morgan's daughter Megan married Daniel Allard, who would be the uncle to Kai Allard-Liao (the son of Daniel's half-brother Justin and Candace Liao), would that make Kai a distant cousin-in-law to Melissa's eldest son Victor?

>>96520669
Corsair at least had the benefit of being based on some obscure lore so it didn't suffer as much negativity. Bullshark on the other hand is just made up much like the Spidermech thing from the mech assault game.

>>96521671
I would have ensured that anything in HBStech got negativity no matter what. No amount of lore justification or reason would slow me down.

>>96521671
Most of the complaints about the Corsair seemed like people wanting PGI to do other canon mechs first. Bullshart meanwhile legit cannot be made with current construction rules except maybe fudging around with Clan tech and even then its a squeeze.
>>96521684
I would join you anon, you have my autocannon!

>>96522097
>fudging around with clantech
Well, yeah, I thought that was the whole point, since it's supposed to be a Wolverine/Minnesota Tribe mech. It even looks like a less humanoid Pulverizer.

>>96522409
Wolverines exodus predates full refinement of Clan tech.

>>96511555
>>96511573
Being able to protect a side seems fun even through it will probably make more mobile units even more usefull.

The change to Ammo explosions kinda suck though, one of my favourite memories from when me and some friends were first learning the game was watching a thunderbolt go up like a firework because of a Ammo explosion.

Question for you guys about the proposed rules. Normally if a location is completely destroyed you don't check for crits unless the location has explosive components, right? So now say you have a left torso with 3 tons of ammo and an XL engine (IS) with CASE. So you take a TAC to the LT and it goes to the ammo bin. Boom, that does 10 damage to the IS because of CASE, do you then check for a crit from that 10 damage and potentially set off another ammo explosions? And if that location had less than 20 structure, would you check for a 3rd ammo explosion even though there's nothing left to explode and the CASE should stop the damage from transferring to the CT, right?

>>96519393
Try hard.

>>96519570
Wait, laborer and technician? How does that work?

>>96522769
That's what I asked. The only explanation I can think of is that they couldn't take enough personnel and had to double up some of them, but even as off the books spooks, they were too autistic to just tell them to work outside of their caste sometimes.

My actual guess is that whoever made up that graphic didn't know how clanners work and thought Laborer was the overarching category for all civilians and Technician was a sub-caste or something.

>>96522826
I mean that is one of those grey areas where you wonder just how the fuck the Caste are suppose to work...

>>96522409
A mech built when clan stuff was still on par with Star League tech with very few exceptions, before omnitech became a thing.

A mech that, not having any record means the Wolverines would've had to create it after fleeing their annihilation for it to make any sense in universe. With catastrophically depleted manpower, resources and no mech production facilities, very likely built on board a ship. So the odds of it existing, in a quantity greater than one, let alone variants is about as likely as the Holdo manoeuvre in Star Wars.

>>96523084
The same DLC had true AI and a jumpship that could land on planets.
Bullshark is the least of its problems.

>>96523084
There's obviously a hidden Wolverine empire somewhere in the deep periphery.

>>96523125
Not pictures is the hidden blakist subspace empire (and the evil subspace worm empire they're fighting)

>>96522524
Resolve one crit at a time. First deals 10, roll for crit. If you score a crit, then yeah, you can set off another bin. If the location is destroyed, there's still the normal check to see if you blow up ammo in a just-destroyed location, which doesn't matter for damage because you have CASE, but still applies pilot hits.

>haven't been checking out BT related news due to family stuff
>see this when just scrolling Facebook
What's going on? What is this and why are people mad?

>>96523169
The scale is still too small to show how much snowflakes at HBS hated working on battletech.

>>96523233
Hated it so much they wanted to make a second one.

>>96523228
Read the thread

>>96523242
They say that now when they are broke has-beens with Battletech being their only claim to fame because the only other game under paradox flopped so hard they got the pink slip.
But when they were riding high the lead developer was shitting on battletech daily using the company twitter and "looking forward to working on something else".
Hard to make a sequel if they fired their main lore guy and their mech asset pipeline people before the game was even out.

>>96523228
People are mad because people are always mad. They're working on changes for the new core rulebook that will eventually replace Total Warfare. Most of the changes are fine, none of the ones being tested are finalized.

Huh, kind of surprised that there are people firmly against the new ammo rule because "mechs instagibbing is part of the fun." "ammo explosion has always been a core part of the game"

>>96523317
It's not a "core part of the game", it's just part of that "now you're playing Battletech!" feeling when your pristine Warhammer eats a CT MG ammo crit and explodes into giblets. Just like walking into a river, then faceplanting after a failed PSR and getting a cockpit breach.

>>96521671
Curious how people feel about the Sunspider. The fluff behind it is....not good.

>>96523317
The most reasonable complaint I've heard is that doing the ammo calculation slows down play.
Otherwise it feels like a kneejerk reaction to changing things.

Whatever.
Everything is an optional rule if you don't like it. That's how Battletech has always been.

>>96523465
I honestly forgot it existed till you brought it up.
I now shall retreat back to my angry dome.

>>96523487
Fun is an optional rule in Battletech.

>>96523501
Not in my games.

>>96523465
Scientists going behind everyone else's backs to work on their own vanity projects isn't really out of line. The only part that's iffy is "former Widowmaker elements within the Wolf scientist caste", but it was 20 years after the Widowmakers were destroyed, so if there were some old scientists, they'd have been vetted and considered trustworthy by that point, since the alternative would have been to kill them years ago.

>>96523487
With the way it's written, if you have more than 4 or 5 shots left in the bin you're hitting the damage cap anyway, so there isn't much to calculate. 1 AC/20 shot, 2 AC/10 shots, 1 volley of LRM/20, 3 volleys of SRM/6. You can just stop counting once you hit 20 damage (or 10 with CASE, or 1 with CASE II).

>>96523512
Based.

>>96523487
>The most reasonable complaint I've heard is that doing the ammo calculation slows down play.

Nigga how, it’s one basic multiplication problem, this is a skill everybody should’ve mastered in elementary school. Not to mention the old way you STILL had to calculate the total damage done based on your shots left, so this doesn’t even change the number of steps at all unless you were treating any ammo explosion as instant death.

If you can’t just glance at the ammo left and say “yeah that’s gonna be over 20 damage” in about 2 seconds what business do you have playing this game? (Not you specifically, ‘you’ as in ‘whoever would bother complaining about this taking longer’)

>>96523367
Preach!

>>96523920
Maff is hard. Plz no make me. I just want smash mechs together.

How many bad mechs will be saved, or at leaat become playable without being a penalty to oneself, by this ammo kaboom change? Heard ISXL engine ones are a big winner

>>96524015
We have found the last clickytech player.

>>96524103
That's assuming the change makes it to print. The grogs in my group are viciously opposed to it.

>>96524186
Davionman will stop it before it prints.

>>96524103
Megamek tells me there are 270 standard level rules IS mechs with both CASE and XL engines, plus another 64 advanced and experimental designs.

>>96524103
A ton of slow mediums, heavies, and direct combat assaults with ISXL and CASE will loosen their biggest glaring flaw. It was always helpful for campaigns, but now it will be helpful in one-off games too.

>>96512347
>remove the chance to break the retractable blade
kek, one of my RPG players is gonna be happy if this is true

>>96524106
Bro don't knock it till you try it. Mage Knight was a beast.

On one hand I love the stability Battletech comes with, whether some rules were good or bad at least they didn't change much over the years with the constant edition churn and once you learned them you could just relax and play the game forever.

On the other hand I love ammo-dependent weapons and was bored of the constant laser boat domination (I love my Black Knight tho), so I like the ammo explosion cap and if it doesn't become an official thing I'll ask my club to keep it as an optional rule.

>>96524570
We've had pretty massive rule changes before. These might be more changes than TW has had from its first printing to now, but I'm pretty sure they're less than the differences between BMR and TW were. Entire unit types had their fundamental rules changed, on top of changes to basic combat stuff like partial cover and melee weapon attacks.

>>96523296
Did this really happen?

>>96523575
2 volleys of SRM6 does 24 damage.

>>96524608
Yeah, infantry and combat vehicles were totally redone in TW, and aero was heavily revised, on top of all the everyday mech changes. "BT never changes" is a shorthand at best and a meme at worst, unless you're still torso twisting in the Reaction Phase to use your Autocannon (what's autocannon numbers, precious?)

>>96524608
>>96524754

The funny thing is some of them are even the same changes. The C3 thing has flipflopped like 3 times. I always prefer it without LoS, but that's because I'm a filthy Robe.

>>96523487
Well, pretty much the only weapons that you'll need to count are AC10, LRM10 and 15 because AC20 and LRM20 deals max damage anyway and the smaller weapons like SRM2 you realistically can't use the ammo fast enough for it to matter

>>96524672
Yes, if you look at mech animations from 2 last DLC there is inconsistent animation between new and old mechs, especially falling animation. Tyler Carpenter was gone from the team before launch but was still credited.
A lot of things cannot be sourced anymore, for whatever reason HBS and other parties removed many things related to the game; youtube kickstarter dev blogs, weekly dev updates from twitch, whole VOD archive of hyperRPG HBS collabs, the entire forum used before HBS moved to paradox as well as many social media posts and even whole accounts can no longer be found.
All that is left is old backers angry at clouds and people who found a neat game and know nothing of it's troubled history.

>>96524824
What's funniest to me is the biggest surprise for myself was Weisman selling HBS immediately even though that's the same shit he always pulls and always regrets.

>How many times must we teach you this lesson old man?

>>96524824
If I had to guess, a lot of it was removed because it may have featured the fellow who was later accused of sexual harassment, whom they fired. He was in their DFA videos, which are long gone.

>>96524855
The biggest surprise to me are still the amount of people who keep trying to suck his dick like he is some sort of genius game designer. Whenever I see his name attached to a project I know straight away he's in it to make a quick buck before moving on.

>>96524912
Thing is, a lot of his ideas make a lot of money and enjoy a lot of success, before crashing. And he's always gone when it does. So it's hard to critique him on those grounds, I think.

>>96524923
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>>96524917
Yeah definitely knows how to make money quickly which can respect him for. He just has no clue when it comes to long term planning.

>>96512722
>kick and punch have equalized PSRs now
i get the idea, considering how rare it is for my local group to ever choose to punch when they could kick, but it still feels weird...

>>96523522
Maybe they were trustworthy at the time of their absorption, but grew increasingly disillusioned with the Wolves over the years. Kinda like the fanbase.

>>96515292
Nah G. I just got my pre ordered stuff today. Looking forward to building an Italian Fleet.