Thread 96513451

Zeta Garmon edition

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『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
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>Thread Question:
What is your preferred predator loadout?

AL anons, how do you paint your RoT units? Do you keep them in their original legion colors? Or do you give them an AL look?

>>96513451 (OP)
Assault cannons and flamers with a Decurion up top with another assault cannon, for the great angel!

>>96513451 (OP)
c-beam turret and lasers on the sides and a locus on top!
oops all lasers is cool too
a havoc launcher is kino on a predator besides
i have a big soft spot for heavy bolters + standard cannon as well
all the fixings. hk missile, dozer blade, searchlights ideally

Reposting in new bread
I bought a Battle Predator today (cannon, grav, volkite, las)
I have a lasmaxxed pred and volkitemaxxed pred, what should I do for this one? Macro-saker turret + las sponsons?

>>96513509
Maybe a classic pred cannon+HB pred?

>>96513451 (OP)
>play against a typhon
>it picks up a squad every time i let it get line of sight
>hm, maybe i need a cerberus
>wanted one anyway, they're fucking cool
>order one, finally gets in after a while (my flgs has the ditziest, most dogshit useless fucking GW rep who fucks things up constantly)
>build it up, play my first game with it
>does 3 damage to a spartan, blows up, and kills half my army
No regrets.

>>96513509
>>96513518
definitely this
essential flavor if you want a bunch of them imo and more wieldy in points cost

>>96513509
Doubling down on Grav+heavy flamer+havoc launcher status funbus

>>96513468
Why is the Alpha Legionnaire throwing a beyblade at an Alpha Legion dreadnought that they somehow stole from the Custodes?

>TQ
I'm a simple man; MkIVb, Full Las. Wondering if I should paint up my Phaeton for 40k or Heresy tho.
I should buy a Deimos predator. Wouldn't necessarily complete the set though; I still net a MkIVc and an RT predator.

>>96513541
That's a meltabomb. And they're just sparring

>>96513571
>they're just sparring
I think someone forgot to tell Alpharius that

>>96513580
That's actually two legionnaires, they're practicing camo. That's what interdiction cadres look like before springing into action

>>96513571
The guy's reaching for a meltabomb; do they have melta mines or is that just a different pattern?

>>96513587
might be a breaching charge then. I'm fairly certain I've seen that on a model before

>>96513580
He's a space marine, he'll walk it off

Doing a batch of ore-i mean bases for my mech. What are y'all working on?

>>96513671
I just chopped up a bolter and glued parts to a pintle multimelta because I am insane and may be converting some plastic headhunters

>>96513671
bolterman here is being closed out in a first stab at his ilk
crazy happy with them in the wake of this holy moly <3

>>96513679
Oof, been there, never doing that again

>>96513703
We are performing the valuable service of preserving SOVL in an ever more SOVLLESS game

>>96513451 (OP)
Zeta Garmon you say? I was just watching this today
https://youtu.be/6E6J4Wy8iKA?si=BH89M9K2o3hVBWqY

So. Fuckin. Cool
>>96513470
Based and Angel-pilled. Hail.

>>96513671
I should be painting SA for an event in less than 2 weeks, but alas I am working alot and 3D printing terrain instead as a sidequest. I can just tell this is going to be a mad rush 2 days before the event with me calling in sick to work to paint little men, it will be hilarious.

>>96513694
What legion is he? Weathering is a bit too heavy imho. Looks like he came out of Mad God

>>96513978
eater filth. and that's otherwise high praise in my book!

>>96513978
>Looks like he came out of Mad God
righteous in my book

Anyone seen a PDF of the LI Liber Strategia out in the wild? Any links?

>>96514025
I just got mine delivered and I doubt people care enough to even make a scan
ALSO AT ANON WHERE ARE THESE PICS FROM THE GAME. I WANT TURN BY TURN RECOUNTS

>>96514091
He said it got canceled last thread

>>96513521
here we go again

Played 2k last night
forgive my unbased models, they arent finished yet.

Techmarine hiding behind a kratos is ew.
Seekers seems quite bloody good
terrain is shit
This is my 4th game now, 3rd win, not a fan.

RG trait is actually kinda ass on most units.

>>96514091
Updated unit rosters, new units and improvements to a lot of stuff...people should care enough.

>>96514288
That terrain does look like ass. Did you play it as light or medium area terrain?

Predators should come stock with a 6 man transport capacity and no sponsons.

Adding sponsons should be free but remove the transport capacity.

Change my mind.

>>96514096
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO9OOOOOOOO9OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO9OO

I have 400pts left in my Mechanicum list having filled out everything I actually want in it beyond simply piling up more tanks or scoring characters. What are people's favourite mech units for me to just slot in there, avoiding Lords of War?

>>96514288
>Kratos acting as a bunker with LOS to the entire table
Neighbor.
I dont understand how grogs sperg out about 10E tables being cluttered and boring and then get mopped by shit like this.

>>96514631
Tanks and scoring characters

>>96514578
Razorbacks & Immolators haven't been invented yet, soz

>saboteur cant be shot unless you get within 6" of him
>and if you are within 6" of him, you need to pass a CL check
>he can just move away with a reaction if he wants and be outside 6" again

use the same old tactic of "he has meltabombs, put him near tanks as a threat" still? worked last edition

>>96514823
He's more of an "Imma charge your HSS/tacticals and there is nothing you can do about it." kina guy.
Or can just stand on an objective with no easy way to get rid of him.

>>96514660

More Venators it is. I really quite like the look of that Macrotek apex, but I can never bring myself to bring more than three Krios/Krios Venators in a list with it because having such asymmetrical stats on my otherwise identical tanks annoys me.

Shame the Macrocarid is rendered almost completely pointless by being macrotek-locked, it would suit that detachment quite well. I guess I could fill it with Scyllax and a minder Magos, but having none of Cybernetica scoring, Malagra/Myrmidax combat or Macrotek buffs because you can't use their thing inside a transport means that is one of the most wasted Magi possible.

I'm still not sure if you're not meant to be able to put Mech units of different Arcana in transports, since the corebook specifies that "Mechanicum" is a faction and then the book doesn't really clarify this despite acting like each Arcana is its own one. FAQ when.

Am I missing something with the Esoterist as opposed to allies? Why would I want to summon daemon brutes along my board edge? Seems like a shit power compared too being to set up normally or deep strikes in?

does a normal SA command squad "fit" as an artillery command squad? they seem a little generic for a specialized role like artillery, unless they're given all the equipment options like in the picture

maybe give them that padding like on the old rapier kits/tank crew?

>>96514996
There's nothing forcing you to have the brutes in reserves, having the essoterist gives you the detachments that lets you take 3 of them without having to take a demon HQ for the slots
A marine character with Fear is also useful some times
It's not amazing but it has some uses

Am I reading this right? When a lone character challenges and the challenge ends, do the rest of the enemy squad just not do anything?? That seems kind of ridiculous.
Say a saboteur charges a unit of veterans with a champion as a sgt, challenges the Sgt, and kills the Sgt. Am I reading this correctly that all the other veterans just twiddle their thumbs and can't attack the saboteur?

>>96515082
saboteur cant challenge, sergeant cant challenge either

>>96513468
It's completely unit dependent. If the unit is basically just some variety of dude with normal weapon option (sunkillers, tyrants, , grey slayers) I paint them in AL colors. If they're something mechanical like a dreadnought variant I paint them in the colors of my allied mechanicum force (because logically the AL would probably turn that tech over to study and maintain). Finally if the unit is more esoteric and specialized (usually melee units like deathshroud or knights Cenobium) I would paint them black and silver to represent omegons side of the legion (who I assume are the guys trusted with actually infiltrating the more challenging positions) or I would keep them in their legion colors if they don't clash with teal.

>>96515105
Assume a different character then. And when I specified champion sgt I meant a unit upgraded with the Master Sergeant prime (which confers the ability to accept challenges)

>>96513541
Treason is its own reward

>>96514578
Sounds like a razorback with extra steps

>>96513468
I paint them in their original legion colours. Partly to break up the monotony of painting AL, partly because I like the idea of those units being deep undercover or trying to sow maximum confusion.

But mostly to mog the people at the LGS who actually play that legion with a better paint job than they can do.

>>96514288
>terrain is shit
Agreed, your terrain is shit
You need at least twice as much

>>96515082
Yes.
But having a whole squad outside the challenge with no opponent gives the challenged model +2 to the focus roll for every 5 models or fraction of them. So the challenger is at a big disadvantage.
Even if he wins he gets, what, 2 combat resolution points from killing a sergeant? The enemy unit gets 1 combat resolution just from outnumbering him and another one if they have a vexilla. So neither of them are going anywhere even if the challenger won, which he doesn't really have the advantage against a WS5 3A veteran with +2i desu
He's just going to get dog pilled next round
And if you don't want to wait you can just decline the challenge to begin with. It's just going to make your sergeant hit on 5s instead of 4s, and that's barely noticeable when there's a whole unit of veterans around him still at WS5

>>96514182
Did I miss the reference?

>>96513521
>>does 3 damage to a spartan
That's impressive considering it has D6 weapons

>>96514578
Hell yes. I made a Proteus Strike Predator profile with all the rest of my HH 2.5 stuff that was exactly this.

>>96514631
40 thrall blob

So what did the Imperium actually do with all their psykers before the heresy? I never hear anything about them other than the SoS gathered them all as part of the tithe. Where did they go after that? Was soul bonding a thing before the emperor's was wounded? I mean it's not like they had to feed him his 1k a day...

>>96515852
>feed him his 1k a day
Don't you know it's now 3k per minute?

>>96515852
Just sanction them or kill them. Doesn't the Astronomican by itaelf eat psykers daily even without the life support chair?

>>96515852
Psykers got rounded up and turned into astropaths or used for other purposes that required a psyker.

>Was soul bonding a thing before the emperor's was wounded?
Yes.

>>96515867
>Astronomican by itaelf eat psykers daily even without the life support chair
Not as far as I know. Don't we see them have to do it for the first time in the end and the death?
And if they are sanctioned where do they then go? They can't all be astropaths and we never see any in imperial institutions outside of prospero. Do they really just waste all their psykers because they have nothing better to do with them?

>>96515891
Astropaths are already where 90% of (non-sacrificed) psykers go in 40k, you need whole choirs of them on each ship and they burn out quick. You could always attach them to the various human armies. Was the IG already a thing back in the Heresy? Obviously the game has the SA, but isn't that supposed to be a more elite force?

>>96515891
Psykers were also used for things like the warlord sinister-pattern psi titan.

>>96515963
They only made like 20 of those, and they only used the strongest psykers for them. Not really a relevant % of the payker intake

>>96515852
A lot of worlds slaughtered their psykers to survive the age of strife they probably just kept that up.

>>96515062
The padding is a fine idea, but a sufficient different paint scheme will go a long way. The old resin command kit is a great source of minis for the different tercio leaders

>beep beep
*cough* SoS talons reveal when?? they'll totally give the sisters some new stuff right?
>beeeeeeeeep

>>96514578
1.0 preds can forego sponsons.

>>96513587
That appears to be a haywire mine.

>>96516268
Definitely supposed to be a haywire mine.

>>96516268
>>96516278

We need more mine laying mechanics. I always loved using Biovores.

>>96515963
Psykers are often used to build rudimentary tools like hammers, screwdrivers, and suspension bridges.

>>96513671
Robots for a bit of a change up.
After this it will be the Acquisitor but that needs a bit of work

>>96516380
Remember what they took from you.

>>96516464
We need a sabre variant for this

>>96516464
God they love using the word castellan

>>96516464
I'm gonna steal those missiles as an option for my group. That's badass. We need more ammo wargear for everything. GW are corpo sub-mutants for their creative bankruptcy.

>>96516469
FTFY

Which legions wear the serious hat the most?

>>96513509
>>96513518
>>96513527
>>96513536
Well that 2 votes for boomerpred and 2 for statusspampred (counting last thread), anyone else want to chime in?

>>96516535
Final vote for boomerpred. Every collection should have one

>>96516535
Status pred. Total tactical death.

>>96516571
>>96516592
How about Pred cannon + flamers and havoc? Best of both worlds

fuck I need to drop points to put havoc launchers on all of my tanks because FUCK YOU

Why did GW change the phobos bolter design?

>>96516719
When the plastic mk3 dropped.

>>96516719
Sharp angles are a aggressive and sign of toxic masculinity

>>96516719
Dunno but they really seem to hate sharp angles. If you look at a comparison between the old fellblade and the new one it becomes pretty apparent.

>>96516753
it's almost like injection molding favors smooth edges by its very nature

>>96516719
The Ordo OSHA put new regulations into effect.

can tanks only get status effects via glances? (or shock)

or would any weapon with a status effect inflict it, if it hurts the tank?
e.g demolisher cannon has stun

>>96516895
The former

>>96516895
They cant get a status from anything that requires a check. They only get statuses from rules that directly apply the status (shock).

>>96516753
>>96516762
It possible the molds crack and damage more easily too. That's speculation on my part on output of mechanical products that crack along shape angles like hinges.

>>96513679
Post pic I want to try doing that too

>>96513703
Kino simple as

>>96515852
3.0 fucked Sisters list hard, so lazy

>>96516380
I wouldn't mine that

>>96516954
They also tend to wear along those edges as well, which on a mold would result in gradual softening of the edges on the finished part.

>>96516481
Indeed, so awful what they did with Seeker ammo this edition

>>96516719
Because NU-GW sucks, they should have ported the designs from plastic to resin like they did with Mechanicum

>>96516742
So true, but now I must me too some Sisters of Silence.

>>96516719
Product managers and designers want to leave their mark and get their bonuses. It's easier when doing "new" stuff. That's why so many of the HH2+ infantry models has details made to be as different as possible.

Ironically, when Maxime Pastourel designed the current 40k DG models he based them in FW's mk3, so now the classic design only exists in 40k

>>96517105
They do not leave any mark, they only piss on good design. If it ain't broken do not fix it.

Yes notice how plague marines are also classic plastic mk3

>>96517105
note also how nuPhobos has no muzzle break holes, those are actually lightening holes/accesory sockets in a shroud over the inner barrel

>>96517137
It's a design feature that goes way back.

>>96517211
>feature
sprue/sculpt design bug or a confusing light angle, Godwyn bolguns are supposed to have muzzle break holes

>>96517318
Or, you know, it's suppose to be a hole and it was just easier to fill the cylinder with another cylinder in CAD.

>>96517405
if only people that talk about "CAD" had ever tried to use 3d modelling software...

So I was going through my Collected Visions book for inspiration and day dreaming and noticed something odd….there’s a lot of Emperor’s Children and Space Wolves. So since I was bored and this kinda annoyed me I actually counted how many of each Army was depicted. The results are thus-
Cust/SoS=30/27
DA=6
EC=57! (5 of which were titled wrong)
IW=10
WS=6
SW=40 (2nd place)
IF=6
NL=7
BA=27
IH=8
WE=39 (3rd, LOTS of chunky boys)
UM=21
DG=35
TS=34
SoH=35
SM=9
WB=33
RG=8
AL=7
Mech/DarkMech were 20/24, though I could be wrong since Mech loyalty is subtle and there were 44 for the Imperial Army types. I knew I was right. Also I didn’t know this book was tied to a card game, had never really read it and I thought the cards at the back was just marketing.

All this aside, I noticed something. There’s a few depictions of Marines with big gorgets, was this only ever done for Mk 7/8? Quite enjoy picrel, have no idea how to make the look though

>>96517424
The WB ashen circle also have gorgets.

>>96517405
Its easier to boolean a single cylinder all the way through. There is no reason for there to ever be an empty cylinder to put another empty cylinder inside of. If for manufacturing reasons you weren't able to have the hole go all the way through then you would boolean out holes on either side and probably boolean the edge of the boolean object so again theres no reason why there would ever be another cylindrical shape there.

For whatever reason its 100% deliberate.

>>96517417
Yes, it's clearly that the designers on purpose made the muzzles into shrouds over the barrels with no muzzle devices on the actual gun.

>>96517506
I said boolean too many times I meant bevel that last time.

>>96517506
So GK storm bolters are meant to have muzzle devices while GK terminator storm bolters have a barrel shroud with no muzzle device?

>>96517546
could always be the individual sculptors not being on the same page. Or a quirk of the manufacturing process that led them to change the design

>>96517546
it's clearly some kirk of 3d modelling for plastic injection.
But Umbra or Tigris do not have it, only Phobos, and twice. Which makes me think it's also how the real thing is supposed to look

>>96517576
There doesn't seem to be any consistency on how muzzles are done, even on same era models.

>>96517587
>twice
Probably just ported the guns from the MkIII kit to the MkII kit. The DG praetor's Phobos seems to have flatter holes. Or maybe it's just the lighting/material that makes it look like that?

>>96517587
>Kirk
>Charlie Kirk shot the millisecond you posted

All according to plan

What would it even look like? Iron Circle automata are huge, and so is Perturabo.

>>96517698
Who?

>>96517709
>frontal section
I always imagined it'd be more like a Stormlord with a volcano cannon with Pert and his guys riding in the back.

>>96517709
Remember vehicles are not in the same scale as other models, they should be way bigger than what is represented on the minis

>>96517734
Amerimutt Conservacuck activist.
Live by the sword, die by the sword.

>>96517766
It's a glorious day here. Anyway, lets post sniper models.

>>96517709
>>96517741
Pardon my hasty drawing but I'd imagine something like the Gorgon transport with huge tracks on either side and the shadowswords cannon up top.

>>96517792
It's specifically a Shadowswrod and the cupola is up front.

>>96517787
HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>96517792
Holy SOVL

>>96517813
I know anon, I'm not saying it'd literally be a Gorgon transport with extra shit tacked on. It's a heavily modified Shadowsword so I was assuming they'd have moved the cannon further back and created a massive ramp at the front to disgorge perry and the boys.
I'm just choosing to ignore the cupola part because either interpretation of it is retarded. I've been in a cupola and even on an Astartes vehicle theres no way in hell you're fitting a primarch + even 1 iron circle. I imagine they could have view ports along the roof sections of the transport part of the hull but an actual cupola would be completely retarded.

>>96513451 (OP)

Zeta-Garmon? Why not Theta-Garmon, they're actually cool.

>>96517766
>final words were "gang violence"
the sons of horus did this

>>96517787
>>96517815

the land raider with 3 razorback turrets was from here right?

>>96513671
The Muster of the Imperial feudal world of Charnovarre.

>>96518046
3 razorback turrets?

>>96518096
Maybe he means the Terminus Ultra?

>>96517709
atm it has a transport capacity of 14, which is Perty +2 Iron Circle with no other space (and nobody else is allowed on board anyway)

it has the same guns and options and no meaningful differences to the regular Shadowsword in the same Legacies document, including the fact it's an anti-super-heavy tank which has no business being used as a transport in the first place

so it looks like a Shadowsword and it has a big hatch on it somewhere and they get in and out of that, but the engines are smaller and more efficient for the same power output and the armour is thinner but more resistant at that thickness etc etc

what it looks like is a shit idea that should have been scrapped because nobody ever wants to bring 1500 points of LoW/Warlord detachments comprising four models in a 6000 point game

sure you could do it at 3k but that involves finding space for a Retinue slot in another Detachment when you already have one in the Warlord Detachment

>>96518120
it's only a unit for fluff, useless on tabletop. Shadowswords are trash transports, without 14/14/14 armor on the rear, and wasting a sniper gun on a transport is retarded. Doesn't have the capacity to be viable as a transport, it'd have to be able to fit perty+5 iron circle to validate the expense.

Perty is also in-game the primarch least in need of a transport of all primarchs. Has the best shooting for his squad (2 statuses at long range) and with a large iron circle bodyguard he's both immune to precision and enemy shooting his unit face T7-T8. Other primarch squads just get shot, treated as toughness 4-5 and precisioned to pieces 2 seconds into the game, hence other primarchs must hide in transports or lose the game on turn 1. S4 like Seekers can't even attempt to shoot the Iron Circle as after they declare the attack, you spend 1 stratagem point for T8 shieldwall reaction and the squad instantly loses its turn.

The only primarch transport that'd have been good would be Dorn's Stormhawk, but that was removed from game. An aircraft deployment for primarch has the perks of deepstriking (safe off board, flexible deployment) without the fuckity cant-charge-from-deepstrike problems.

>>96517546
I can't tell you what the reason is because I don't know that. I can just tell you, as someone who makes their own weapon bits, that laziness doesn't explain that because it's more effort to produce that shape than just cutting out a flat ended cylinder.

There is an exception, which is on the bolter designs where the ported part is distinctly a muzzle device (some primaris guns) in these cases its quite likely the muzzle device that has the holes cut into it is or was a different mesh from the barrel and was just slapped over the barrel mesh. That would get you something resembling pic related.

Its also possible whoever made the models was using a cylinder as a gauge to get the size of the barrel approximately correct and then added features on top of it and then left it there in the final model, this could then have been interpreted as an intended choice by other designers later.

>>96518183
>laziness doesn't explain
A bad designer doesn't have to be lazy, they just do it they way the know either out of stupidity or stubbornness, and don't bother to learn the "proper" way.

>>96518120
>>96518182
Back in 1.0 this was considered grounds for ending friendships.

>>96518210
no, it's because the designers are british.

Why is he so cool bros....

>>96518369
He's a wanker

>>96518210
I'm addressing what is or isn't easier to do when making a 3D model not what is or is not a good design. Making that design is harder than either connecting edge loops or using booleans which are the most basic ways to put a hole in something.

Whatever reason they had for doing it this way, it was not because it was the easy way to do it, which was the claim.

>>96518254
I think the tormentor is taller than people think

Post models.
Post what you are working on.
Currently working on 30 mk2 marines then will need to decide between a...
a) typhon tank
b) 2 castaferrum dreadnoughts
c) 1 more iron circle 1 more contemptor

>>96518390
Fuck you!

>>96518449
It's crazy how castaferrum dreads are still durable cheap shooting platforms this edition.

>>96518102
this one, didn't the original terminus ultra have 2 land raider sponsons behind the predator ones?

>>96518544
Pretty sure the original was a conversion in White Dwarf from way before HH was a game

>>96518565
It was actually an official kit GW sold at the launch of Apocalypse during 4th edition.

>>96518391
If they made the hole go all the way through then had to fill it up afterwards because of a manufacturing limitation plugging it with a cylinder would be the fast and easy way to do that. But that would fit in the realm of things done for a reason rather than because of corner cutting.

>>96518182

I'm not sure very many lists seriously possess the Precision capability to gun down Primarchs, even with them being treated as T5. That's a full squad of seekers blasting away for the entire game and taking no more than one or two casualties, or several squads at once if the Primarch isn't taking all their fire from turn 1. The jump-pack primarchs at least can probably navigate out of field of view of all but the most stacked sniper squads (headhunter bomb, mostly).

Pretty sure the best-value primarch transport is a Storm Eagle, especially if you have any way to make it coming in on rounds 1/2 more reliable.

>>96513451 (OP)
Smoothbrain here.

Do I need to actually see a unit to hit them?
I have a flamer malcador and was wondering if the massive template could just saturate the field and hit whatever I want.

>>96518659
You need to see a UNIT to target it at all (other than barrage stuff).
But hits spill over to MODELS you cannot see.

So if there is a 50 man unit of levies hiding behind a building, but a single elbow is sticking out, then yes you can theoretically wipe out the entire unit with shooting.
Yes this is retarded as it sounds.

>>96518544
Yes, but once 8th hit the rules became more fluid so you could kind of do whatever.

>>96518449
I'll start the sponsons tomorrow.
I decided to go with the "blood and bone" No Clearance hazard stripes from my workplace to add some color though not terribly much.

How are Solar Auxilia in 3.0?

>>96518754
Good. An actual playable, standalone army.

>>96518659
>>96518707
NTa but does it work like that with template weapons?
Cuz if you see 1 model, and that means you can attack the unit, but then the template rules say you have to cover as many models as possible and all the covered models get hit.
So wouldn't that mean you could be shooting through a solid wall to hit as many models as possible even tho you are not even covering the only model you can actually see?
I guess this just adds another reason why ignoring LoS for wound allocations is absolutely retarded...

>>96518754
Well. They're there, I suppose.

>>96518754
Macca, the outer circle said they are woke.

>>96518788
Tabletop gaming is woke, it was made by communists

>>96518788
That confirms they aren't.

>>96518598
One single squad of seekers kills a primarch in 3 turns most often. And that's 190 points crippling a 700-900 point deathstar. They don't need vision of the primarch at all, if they see one toe of a single one of the escorts from anywhere on the board, all 10+ precision shots go onto the primarch immediately. (and zero return fire, as the 10-20 guys behind the wall will not have LoS to shoot back so you can't even justify spending a reaction point)

It doesn't even need to finish him off to instantly lose anyone with a primarch outside a transport the game. The common 2-3 wounds is minus 2-3 initiative in challenges. And turn 2 it's minus 4-5 initiative. Quickly makes the primarch have to avoid any situation it could ever earn any of its points cost back - as even if it did trade with some 200 point model later, you lose 3 victory points when they take any warlord out, while the primarch isn't earning any VP at all.

The "precision isnt so scary" is one of those retard-feelings from people who've never played the game. It's like people who think "10 meltas can kill any tank, I have a feeling"

>>96518811
My seekers have never performed well, but that could be because of my atrocious dice rolls.

>>96518754
an actual army that has the chance of winning against legion players without an idiotic spam strategy

>>96518811
Reminder that literally all worry of seekers is stopped by a 50 point laecrymata tech priest from an allied detachment with no other requirements that can both make the transport immune to bring stopped by statuses or heal 3 wounds/hullpoints every turn from 6" away with no LOS requirements, and can even be done within combat. Ban allying mech while you still can, before your group gets entrenched, because techpriests are the new dreadnought bullshit.

>>96518811

10 Seekers does an average of 5 wounds to a Primarch in a T5 squad over 3 rounds of fire, so on average you need all four rounds without someone blasting all your squishy 1W MEQ. It's not that precision is bad, it's that you are actually going to need more than 190pts of dudes to precision down some of the toughest characters in the game, and most non-AL lists don't actually have 30 seekers.
Even a wounded Primarch is going to pancake almost anything but his opposite number in a challenge, although you are correct that that doesn't accomplish much if you're not getting objectives or Slay The Warlord out of it.

>>96518901

Can't heal Primarchs, anon, Paragons aren't Infantry, Walkers or Automata. They can heal themselves, though, so sniping a Lacry archmagos to death is going to be a lost cause.

so...
>3 havoc launchers on rhinos
>10 shotguns via 2 effrit squads
>2 medusa mortars
>2 pintle mounted multilasers
>2 punisher cannons

should be enough status effects right?

>>96519011
Nope.

>>96519011
Yeah

>>96518915
hmm, so 30 seekers plap a Primarch over two turns? Interesting.... also, keep in mind that if your primarch is -r focus there's a good chance a random generic TH praetor can finish him off

>>96519015
>>96519029
well which one

>>96519073
Nah.

>>96519011
>>96519073
if you're deliberately statusmaxxing so as to, what, hopefully win?
wtf r u doing man
das gay nigga

Dubs picks my chapter

>>96519081
idk its a good game mechanic thought i'd use it

plus I already own all of the things in the list aside from the medusas and multilasers so blame GW for adding status effects to them all

>>96519087
Hawk Lords

>>96519073
What is your goal for statusmaxxing? Judging by the list you posted previously, it's not for the melee debuff. So it's just for the scoring prevention. So consider how many scoring units is your opponent likely to have on points at the same time, and how many status applicators you need to reliably status all of them. If your regular opponent slams 100 tacticals down on the table, you want more. If he plays a super elite terminator list, you want less. There is no universal answer

>>96519087
Mentors

>>96519087
Carcharodons

>>96519087
Nova Guard

>>96519087
Brazen Claws

>>96519087
Shitlords

>>96519095
well the primary weakness of my list is weak scoring units (3x 10 tacs in rhinos) and I also have a lack of vanguard

so the next best thing is to score what I can while preventing my opponent from scoring, either via status effect or just killing him

and speaking of terminators, I patched a hole in my list somewhat by swapping out the predators upgrades for just plasma turrets, should get the job done

>>96519129
I don't think 3 MSU tac squads are doing much vs 2 medusas and 2 punishers, and that's just the stuff that can reach them across the board

>>96519087
Rainbow warriors

>>96519087
Deathwatch

>>96519050

20 seekers firing for two turns should do for a 6W primarch in a T5 unit. 30 will make good and sure. The only major downside to that is that Seekers are squishy little bastards who have to get reasonably close, and are as such quite vulnerable to being ran over or blasted by vehicles they basically can't harm.

>>96519139
I think you misunderstood

my only scoring units are those tac squads, I have the medusa's etc to prevent my opponent from scoring

>>96519157
I kind of want to do deathwatch, but don't want to pay for those new deathwatch kill team kits

>>96519087
marines

>>96519159
I'm gonna be honest, 3 tac squads is more than enough against lists that aren't statusmaxxing or bringing 12 phospex rapiers. Remember all untis can score, Line just gives you more points. And have some countermeasure for the units you can't status. If your opponent drives a LR with 5 cataphractii termies up the middle of the board, what's your answer? what if they bring two of those?

>>96519175
well, if I get countered, I get countered
you can't make a list that is uncounterable

to answer though, hopefully pin/suppress them in place and predator plasma them

>>96519087
>Chapter
Primaris tranny pride marines

>>96519087
Fuck off 40queer

>>96518788
> World's fattest Aussie and a fucking frog poster say thing BAD!!
LMAO get fucked you queers

>>96519087
for you it is night lords

>DG fan

>Luv me Phosphex Rapiers, Destroyers, and Vindicators

>Flip through Mech book to look at cool robots

>They have a standard issue artillery tank that shoots irradiated Phosphex

What the fuck. I feel like I should put some points into these things in an Allied detachment. Battlesmiths can fix other faction's tanks, right?

>>96519087
Go back

>>96519268
Yeah, they can.

>>96519087
Ashen Claws

>>96519333
ding ding ding

>>96519333
well, there you have it. Trips have decided anon's chapter. Be sure to stock up on Primaris Lieutenants and Redemptor Tactical Warsuits

>>96519333
Based

>>96519333
who

>>96519309
They should have a chance to fuck it harder if it's from a different army list. Like a Techmarine should understand anything that's in the main list, but if it's something from one of the Legion annexes or the Solar Aux or Talons, rolling a 1 should hurt it worse and not fix anything.

>>96519367
You're such a bitch. Look em up.

>>96519268

They can. Mechanicum HQs can also cybertheurgy buff your vehicles and dreads, albeit at a penalty, so if you want a BS5 WS5 Leviathan again then the Omnissiah can provide.
The Karacnos is great, all its guns are Defensive Weapons so it can fire status templates at three different units, or drop Pinning (3) and likely -1T on a squad while eating up a different squad of marines or terminators with the double lightning locks.

is she any good for the cost?
the reactions seem solid and are free, but her weapons are lacking (2 laspistols for a ranged attack...)

>>96519370
Anon, who do you think built those tanks in the first place?

>>96519422
not Techmarines

there's no way an Ultras Techmarine trained on Mars let alone one trained on some bumfuck starship in guerilla fleet knows how to repair an Ares or a Kharon or some obscure Dark Age shit in a Militia force that's generally equivalent to a Leman Russ but actually works on Xenos principles, let alone whatever the fuck started crawling out of Dark Mech forges once the shooting started or some semi-sapient IH Land Raider that eats corpses and says "yum yum, I feel better now" because of its illegal after-market mods

>>96519626
Actually, they should. mech still makes those things. You don't think the SA guys build their own dracosans and sentinels right? And remember most STCs need to be "adapted"(made shittier) by replacing some parts they can'tmake with parts they do. There are some excepdions of course, all ghe Talons stuff that'sexplixitly made on Terra outside of Mech's influence.
>Armatus Necrotechnika
It doesn't eat corpses, it eats souls and turns them into energy to power the preexiatinf repair mechanisms every LR has. Sure an UM won'tknow what the spooky black box hooked up to the engine does, but he does know how to replace track links, weld a hole on the side of the tank, etc

>>96519414
as last edition, she wants to be close to the front lines but will mince light infantry and gets away easily; not shooting lowers the number of Reactions that can be made to clear her off, and she's largely active in the other player's turn; she's not expensive or generally dangerous enough to send the bigger boys after

shooting at her - even with BS5, even with S6 - is only going to do a wound 1/4 at best

if you fill your Clade with Vanus and they're all in range to make Signum Shunt (for FREE) on the same unit when it arrives from Reserves, you have a 77% chance of knocking 2HP off it by simply picking the same Status for it three times - all you have to do is pass an INT10 test three times

>>96519651
I don't think that if your local Militia's Leman Russ equivalent is hovering around protected by energy fields and shooting energy beams generally equivalent to a battlecannon in effect that a Techmarine would have any clue what's going on, no

but even the stuff that's less esoteric like the explicitly Terran-made Talons machines should be a fucking mystery to them, that's the whole point of keeping it out of Mars' reach


> he does know how to replace track links, weld a hole on the side of the tank, etc

yeah if it's doing its own repairs with forbidden spooky magic shit while he's got his welder out and a big powered axe in his other hand a a mind-controlled melta-cutter off a robot arm coming out of his back I'm sure it's fine and nothing can go wrong

>city has annual heresy event
>gone for years but realized people didn't care about the narrative and just play like waacfags while the painting standard slipped
>didn't go this year
>look at some photos from the event and now I'm glad I didn't go
the custodes won community vote for best painted btw

>>96519698
grim and dark

>>96519693
For the militia stuff, then presumably the militia engineers DO know how to fix them, and if they know they're going to be deploying as allies they'd teach the techmarines. They're superhuman, they can pick it up quickly. I concede the point about the Talons stuff, but lets be honest custodes armies are already hard to justify in lore as-ia.
>forbidden spooky magic
Again, it's only a powersource. The axtual repair systems and machine spirit controlling them are the same as any other LR. Unless the techmarine is also a Psyker or Blank he should barely notice the difference. Just "oh, looks like rhe self repair machine isn't running out of battery as fast as it usually does".

And finally, you have to comsider how it wouls translate to game terms. Are you going to make a "lost technology" rule and slap it onto those vehicles to avois them being fixed? Good for a one off special exception, but a pain in the ass that adds unnecessary bookkeeping and balancing considerations when implemented widely

>>96519698
>Americans are idiots that always favor brainless patriotism
And this surprised you?

>>96513468
Idk why but the arm on the dread just looks fucked

>>96519698
LOL

>>96519698
it gets worse

>>96519698
American is the great satan, disgusting

>>96519783
>>96519808
>>96519742
>>96519698

We deserve whatever is coming to us. The civil war is gonna really put a cramp in my hobby time. Sigh.

>>96519820
Israel appreciates your sacrifice

This might not be the best time to ask this question, but since anons were recently discussing Seeker math, how does Exodus fare? A quick glance at his profile and it looks pathetic

>>96513703
Nice kitbash, i'm doing a similar one.
>i wish i had more era specific back packs :(

Is converting Zephon into a generic jump champion convincing enough if I just scrape off all the BA pageantry? There's a ton of it, but yeah.

>>96520192
maybe change up his weapon a bit besides but with the rest of the work i don't think it would look at all bad

>>96520192
You'd have to drop one pistol too. Maybe give him real arms. He'd be kind of a ahit champion if he'd gotten all his limbs lopped off at some point. Good Master of Descent though.

>>96520027
>Can snipe the sergeant, nuncio vox, and vexilla from MEQ units in one go with rapid shot
>Can one-bang any multi-wound infantry with 3 wounds or less with execution shot, as well as do a decent chunk of damage to vehicles, dreadnoughts, and automata
>3 wounds with build in shrouded 5+
Very versatile sniping that can hurt most things, performance depends on how many 4+ hits you can roll. The people I've played exodus against so far absolutely hate him.

>>96520342
>Can one-bang any multi-wound infantry with 3 wounds or less
it's D1 with Heavy (D), is banking on crits reliable? Maybe it's not the fairest of comparisons, but how does he do when compared to Seekers? And while we're in the subject, have you tried headhunters? They feel 100% eclipsed by seekers at the moment

>>96520192
Yes, just about every BA player has this model converted into a generic HQ. It's a right of passage

>>96520378
Eh misread your post. I dunno about non-BA. I say give it a shot. What's the worst that can happen

>>96520360
It feels reliable enough, maybe because crits also mean you don't need to do a wound roll any more.
Seekers can struggle a bit with wound rolls now that the breaching 4+ mode no longer has str 5 and terminators got buffed to toughness 5, from my experience at least. But gotta admit, my dice rolls have been garbage.

Headhunters only advantage over seekers is having precision 4+ combi-weapons through the legacy rules. Still use the combi-melta headhunters I have to cripple terminator squads or tanks.

rape loyalists bodily and up the asshole with chainaxes and chainswords and lightning claws and power weapons and most especially fists

>>96519783
Couldn't even be bothered to actually paint the stars. Fucking pathetic.

>>96520393
>crits also mean you don't need to do a wound roll any more.
I completely forgot about that

*one shots your champion*

>>96520438
Myrmidons have melta access now?

>>96519698
Kino patriot
>>96519808
No the synagogue of satan is

>>96519742
Ok tankie

>>96520474
Might be myrmidax magi, and anon's post is referencing the "meltagun to the face" gambit

>>96520438
>>96520492
Tech priests, but yeah. When buffed up with guide it's a 50/50 for 3 damage to the face against a 5++, assuming they survive almost certainly going last unless the opponent goes for a finishing blow thunder hammer lol, and at 60 points that's a steal.

>>96520543
>Entire challenge system is built around doing the honorable thing and accepting, or doing the dishonorable thing and refusing, which disgraces you
>Accepting amd then blasting your opponent in the face with the unhinhibited power of the sun is considered the honorable choice
Imagine being a Paragon of Battle champion who has studied the blade for centuries, ready to once more feel the pleasure of matching blades with your opponent, confident in your WS7 honed after centuries of training, only to see him pull out the strap and blast a torso-sized hole in your torso

The Forge Lord w/jump pack can take a metric fuckton of full force Thallaxas, Deep Strike, and repair twice for no real reason and no downside

>Drawn out tank battle
>Get in position to pop a screening tank and then charge with some vets or despoilers
>300pt unit drops in from Reserve, heals the screening tank twice, and 18 AP3 plasma shots chunk the staging unit

How mad would you be honestly.

>>96520602
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>>96520613
Ah, the traditional Binharic victory prayer. It is said techpriests show respect for their fallen opponent this way

>>96520604
That's the intended use for the unit, why would someone be mad about it? That said, doesn't he slow down the attached thallax? Forge Lords have weird pseudo-cataphractii rules right?

>>96520627
nta, but not anymore in HH3. Now they can take a jump pack

>>96520627
You're thinking of the siege breaker, whose asses are so fat that they're heavy even in a jump pack

>>96520646
>I eat bricks and shit concrete

>>96520342
Exodus has a cool model but he's not particularly good in game.
He's worse than buying the same points of Seekers in the exact same slot. They're both significantly tankier than him while also doing more damage versus every single target. And much more reliably since you're looking at a pile of separate attacks rather than a single unreliable dice. And Exodus damage is complete ass unless the opponent chooses to allow him to stand still instead of simply ending movements out of sight of Exodus. He's 1 shot dmg1 unless stationary for dmg2 and he's only 4+ to crit, so his 2s and 3s are shitty dmg1 non-crits. If you rely on rapid shot when moving, that's just 3 shitty AP3 shots with no breaching vs the seeker squad getting breaching4+ for AP2, and rapid exodus is 24" range vs 30" range of the tankier and higher damage Seeker squad. Smokescreen, which Exodus needs to not be 10x squishier than a Seeker 10man, also is eating 1 valuable reaction point every turn, he's an active reaction drain. He's not in any way good anti-tank as his strength and damage are a joke to tanks because Critical Hit doesn't work against Vehicles, so that's not an upside vs taking a Seeker squad. If you're lucky Exodus gets 4 shitty shots per game, he's not wasting a S7 dmg1 shot on a vehicle for 165 points. Essentially the only gimmick he has over the Seekers is that his 4 attempted gamble shots have Pinning(1) to rarely immobilize targets - but that's only really relevant when trying to stop melee units, who will be impossible to shoot until they've jumped out of a transport onto the cap (at which point immobilizing them is a small benefit)

If the game lasted 6-7 turns, Exodus hiding 72" away in the corner and outlasting the Seeker squads would give him some potential edge, but not in a 4 turn game. Put 72" in a corner opponent can easily use drive behind terrain to make his four chances to take 1 single shot be shitty targets every game (and do fuckall if he takes a step to move)

>>96520658
* and to the scenario of targeting AP3 enemies 24" away, exodus is only precisioning a pathetic 1.5 of his 3 shots vs 10 precision hits from seekers, with every wounding shot (5 of the 10) at AP2 and killing 5 space marine specialists of seeker's choice, while Exodus either pops 1 / 2 and be within getting-killed-by-bolters 24" range rather than 30" (which can be a deal when opponent's squad is on the objective 30" away and must make a tough choice)

>>96520613
I hope this just says NTMA

>take daemon harbinger
>take encroaching ruin
>give it deep strike
>stuff kabandha inside the rift
>deep strike the harbinger wherever you want on T2
>use the rift to summon out kabandha who can then charge
is this stupid or genius?

>>96520717
Can still only deep strike one unit a turn, and using a warp rift still follows deep strike rules except for the exceptions mentioned

>>96520725
the deep strike rules say you can only attempt one a turn but this is guaranteed and an exception to the rule, trust

What do you think are the odds we get a journal with VDT rules lol

>>96520646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqJSNdEOyUQ

>>96520717
>Take Master of Descent
>Join him to 20 strong Assault Squad
>Deep Strike turn 1
>Fail roll
>Fail roll until T3
>Die immediately to Phosphex shells
Who says 30k isnt a realistic historical sim.

>>96519677
I think signum shunt is a good way to patch a deep strike hole in your list because it doesnt force a check, it flat out inflicts it

so say a unit of terminators or somehow some primarch comes in via deep strike, you can immediately shut them down from moving next turn unless they pass a check to remove it

>>96520955
Oh yeah getting a status off, thats really tough for a deathstar including a LD/CL 9/10 leader.

>>96520955
It's great against shooting units, as your opponent can be forced to snapshot with say, meltas that deep struck.

>>96520658
>he's not wasting a S7 dmg1 shot

Execution shot is str 8. Seems like you have no fucking idea what you are talking about lmao.

>>96520858
>Fail roll
What you mean by this exactly? There are no reserve rolls made when a master of descent is involved, it's all guaranteed deep strikes. Both himself and the units he calls in after.

>>96520658
>Smokescreen, which Exodus needs
Exodus has Shrouded 5+ by default as a special rule, there is literally never a reason to use the smokescreen reaction on him because it adds nothing.
Critical Hit still adds +1 damage when shooting vehicles, only no auto wound.

Could you post your models anon? Getting the impression you're a nogames nomodels over here.

>>96519698
I'm sure he painted them that way as a poignant commentary on the current state of America and how political discourse has turned people to unquestioning fanaticism just like the custodes follow the emperor, never questioning his order or even being able to. That and all the little skeletons within the closet that are starting to spill out.

>>96519783
This would only be better if he tried to fix the awkwardly cut transfer like pic rel.

>>96519783
I see he likes chunky paint.

>>96520658
>>96520681
I want you to know I truly aspire to be this retarded and read as little as you do.

I like how you say youre comparing points to points, but then write seeker squads plural, when a plural amount of seeker squads are 25% more than Exodus's base cost and eat two slots.

I dont understand why people talk big about Seekers, Shot Selector is almost always irrelevant unless youre bullying exactly one Tactical Squad undisrupted, and they dont score despite being almost the same cost as 2W Veterans with access to better gear.

>>96521286
whack-ass waac niggas yo

>>96521008

They roll to clear status at the end of their turn, so Suppressing or Pinning them until then is still pretty great value ven if they immediately clear it with Primarch mental stats. Same for statusing them normally, since very few big stompy terminator retinues bother to bring a nuncio-vox along.

>>96520543

You need Master Sarge for your techpriest to challenge at all, but on the upside the Myrmidax gambit goes off before either model makes attacks, so if it's all your damage output you barely care about losing Focus, just blam them with a meltagun before they swing every round.

>>96521008
better than nothing

>>96521312
yeah its better via guns though because you inflict it in your turn

whereas the vanus its inflicted in their turn (as they've deep striked) and then cleared at the end
so best used to force snapshots if its a shooty unit thats dropped as they cant charge anyway

>>96513468
Under cover as their original legion.
But I also painted half my stuff as IW, so when you look at the table at the start of the game you see all IW until later on.

>>96519783
It's the work of ART, I could only wish one day my work could spark fierce discussion. Unfortunately, art in general is a profound reflection of the watcher, and most of you here are sad losers

>>96518391
When you're dumb or lazy (to learn things properly), the hard way can be the "easier" way.

>>96521312
Alll myrmidax tech priests are champions, no master Sergeant needed. Although WTF, I missed that the shot was before attacks, so you can't even seize to try and deny it and faster guys can't kill you before you shoot if you pass focus lol.

>>96518788
You will never be a real game designer macca. You have no talent, you have no IP, you have no panache. You are a fat man twisted by bitterness and nostalgia into a crude mockery of Alan Bligh.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your discord members are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Hobbyists are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even your legion rules who “pass” look uncanny and unnatural to a man. Your bias is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to try your homebrew, he’ll turn tail and bolt the second he gets a look at your WS chart.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your discord members will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked with your birth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a no games faggot is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably gay.
This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.

Pinned vehicles should be auto hit by all attacks

YOU THERE
What are your plans to deal with 30-50 T5 3-4W models with weapons made to kill 2W 2+ save models through weight of saves

>>96521404
In this case no, not really. Unless you already have two overlapping solid cylinders for some reason you would need to be deliberately adding steps to produce the curvature and also making sure that the operation youre doing actually produces usable geometry.

>>96521708
drown them in three separate full sized waves of falax blade rampagers

>>96521716
>it's super hard to make a cylinder in 3D software

>>96520027
Depends on whether you're bring 1 exodus or many.

>>96520604
Or, and here me out.
You take a master of descent and ally a big block of plasma or melta thallax and just turn 1 someones face

>>96521442

I did not realise that Myrmidax made all your chumps Champions as well as giving +1W. I suppose Battle Meditation actually does something for Troop techpriests, too, that isn't half bad. I'll have to embed a chump priest into my Myrm unit rather than a Magos if I want to cybertheurgy them, a single grav gun or challenge melta in the plasma secutor team is genuinely pretty efficient even if I still wish Myrmidax could take Myrmidon guns to keep the squad symmetrical.

>>96521767
You seem to have missed the entire point.

>>96521708

Fire my two Krios Venators at the 3W models, put all the artillery into the 4W guys to attrit and status them and then throw my own 27 3W Ursarax at then to buy time and watch the glorious bloodbath.

If I'm running them, I'm pretty sure Domitars have an absolute blast fighting what I assume are Ruinstorm Brutes. Cybertheurgy for 8 BS5 S6 AP4 D2 shots per bot between shooting and Volley, then a reasonable performance in melee. I am really looking forward to getting some games in with my Domitar trio this edition, they're vulnerable to neutron lasers/lascannons but for once they have an actual job they're good at.

>>96521442

I was underrating Secutors this edition until I saw a squad of 4 + attached magos pile out of a Triaros and absolutely body five WS5 tartaros and a champ. The Myrm lord had some very good luck, rolled a plasma crit that went through on round 1 and then tanked the Paragon Blade, but all the termies died in shooting + volley. They're not cheap, but they did a lot better against TEQ than most MEQ-killers.

>>96521982
>27 ursarax

>>96522073

Look, I didn't have any World Eaters Inductii because someone dropped a moon on the planet my techpriests were recruiting all their lads from, so I have to get my sea of heedlessly shed blood from somewhere. I'd add a Blood Slaughterer squad too if it was possible to make a Magos that could keep up with them, but no jump packs.

>>96521708
Cover them in Phosphex, using a Melta Kratos and two Vindicators with bumper humpers to screen objectives and vomit D3, while a Saturnine Dread with two laser shotguns bullies the midfield, plugging the hole left by wrecked Rhinos and Vindicators and determines where the big melee punchout will be.

>>96522222
>Cover them in Phosphex
Best answer desu mechanicum leadership values are trash. Flamers and phospex make them run instantly.

>>96522253
I love the stratagem of using 2x2 phosphex rapiers slowly advancing and a Saturnine Dread in the midfield slightly favoring one side.

Guess what side/Rapier squad the Deep Strike hit squad always drops in on. Its always the same answer.

>>96522303
How has your saturnine dread been doing? Started painting mine, planning to run it with dual heavy plasma bombard.

>>96522318
Everything on it blows ass except the laser shotguns. Which are obscene. And they look awesome. Subweapons are a roll between what you need to plug at point blank range, panic, AP3, or Stun (Ive found stun to be the most situationally reliable, but havoc launchers are abundant, AP3 is probably the scariest if some leftover vets try and tie it down)
You basically just act as a midfield bully/buffer zone. You plink away and break up masses of MEQ/Vets, so your opponent has to be cagey in the midfield or start devoting concentrated laser destroyer/Demolisher shots. The obligatory deathball cant get close without being stunned and slapped by the AP2 mode at close range, so people play super cagey around them and try and zone them.
Its big, so if you arent careful with LOS and a Laser battery or Vindicator gets its number and you flunk invulns youre cooked, but people seem really hesitant to just point and shoot a bunch at it. Usually because its lodged in something and a Melta Kratos is crawling up their ass.

Forges of Saturn any year now...

>>96522376
Surely it will be announced tomorrow. It has to.

>>96522376
>he thinks heresy is ever getting anything again ever
>he doesn't know all if their stocks have been liquidated by pyre (along with the 3.0 staff) after the disastrous launch to make room for more 40k products to sell to slophounds who actually buy things

>>96522437
Actually the reslurces will be split between more 2 undead factions for AoS and 5 more necromunda gangs.

>>96522253

Outside Thralls they're really not that bad, Secutors are Ld9 and Thallax/Ursarax are 8 with their sarges, so they come in about the same as Marines, maybe a little better. Their actual problem is that they can't reliably embed nuncio-voxes in Ursa/Thallax squads because none of their Ld8-10 magi can keep up, and squads without Magi can't get them at all, so they tend to spend annoying amounts of time routing once they get phosphexed.

They also hate the Saturnine Dread in general, since their heavy AT is pretty sparse outside the Krios Venator and it only wounds the Sat on 4s. Still trying to figure out what to actually do about that, since photon weapons ate the las tag this edition for some reason.

>>96522561
Shock affects walkers anon. Hit them with the old suicide vultarax.

>>96521449
The irony of this post is that Macca has every bit as much claim to be being a proper Warhammer designer as any of the hackfraud third-generation nonentities working for GW today.

>need 2 volkite falconets for a saturnine dreadnought conversion
>either $60 for 2 derdeo weapon sprues or $22 from a recaster and a month of waiting and having to deal with resin
pain

>>96522612
>except for being employed by GW
>or having any input to GW rules
>or having any input to GW fiction
>or being one of those guys who makes such a cool concept army that it redefines the entire line

was he even a redshirt? I though he was just a fatass called after a famous burger

>>96522612
GW rules writers have published rules.

Macca does not.

>chop cata fists off combi-bolters so I can use the guns for Headhunters
>realize I can shave pintle volkite parts and glue the cata fists to the flat for more volkite charges
Just as unplanned

>>96522606

Wait, it does? Never mind then, status hell for that thing. It's shooting blasts and templates, so it doesn't care that much about the basically guaranteed Suppressed proc, but it's definitely something and if it can't Return Fire I can bully it with Krios and normal bots.

Forges of Saturn?
Legion Inductii rules?

If I take a unit of 6 outriders and attach a character to them, can they still outflank, or can they only outflank if they are solo.

Also is there a way to have a pretor/centrion/herald on a bike ? Because I have been going through the Loyalist book over and over again and can't find it. I hope that a bike hero isn't a renegade only option.

>>96522908
>>96513451 (OP)
>>Legacies:
>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>>96522908
>A unit made up entirely of models with this special rule...
Nope, character needs to have outflank too.

Characters on bikes are in the legacies rules PDF. Can download that for free from the warhammer community site.

>>96522908
Legacies

>have an iron warriors army and think they are cool
>decide to stop being a lore secondary getting all of my lore from youtube shorts
>decide to read the actual books for myself
>read The Hammer of Olympia
>he comes off as a massive faggot
Reading angel exterminatus book right now but are there any other books I'm supposed to be reading since everyone is giving the impression that peurterabo is supposed to be some giga based chudcore supermind. The iron warriors legion itself is still cool though.

>>96523088
Read the relevant parts of the Siege of Terra

>>96523088
Even in his own books he's a whiny retarded manchild, the point is perturabo is the one holding the legion back not the other way around no matter how much he insists. There's a reason there's so many loyalist iron warrior players.

>>96523123
Is it really "fuck perty" and because of how badass they were on Paramour vs the AL?

>>96523088
>Reading BL novels about the legion you like
Biggest mistake you can make. Except for WS, those are done alright I guess.

>>96523155
yeah or salam-- oh... no...

>>96523123
>loyalist iron warrior players.
Can this nigga be run in loyalist iron warriors?

>>96523194
None of the iron warriors unique stuff is traitor locked other than perty.

>>96523123
I thought there is so many iron warriors players because they easiest to paint

>>96523123

I wonder what the second most common Loyalist-force-from-Traitor-Legion is. Tons of Iron Warriors, a few Death Guard and World Eaters, but I haven't seen many others. I suppose your average Alpha Legion army is playable as whatever, since even their unique characters aren't allegiance-locked, so I imagine they don't count either way unless they're allied to Custodes or rocking True Believers or what have you.

>>96523210
Which is weird since he invented Iron Circle during the Heresy, after killing some IF

>>96523280
EC would be my pick, for obvious reasons

>>96523280
Thousand Sons, perhaps?

I will never in my fucking life play Loyalist IW. Unless I somehow get this model. Goddamn Dantioch is neat.

>>96521876
Cylinders don't have points, you're thinking of cones.

>>96523424
If I did I'd paint them in neon retrowave like that one necron guy on /wip/. The Sons of Perturbator.

>>96523424
His hammer's too large, even by Warhammer standards.

Who are the coolest traitors from loyalist legions?

>>96523492
They aren't cool.

>>96522376
>>96522397
If you say so

>>96523511
Why don't you like Luther and his fellowship of dickheads?

>>96523424
Speaking of characters.
>2.0 comes out, imperial fist and sons of horus edition
>by this time into 2.0, they released 6 gorrillion IF and Soh characters
>3.0 comes out, iron warrior and salamanders edition
>0 iron warrior of salamanders characters released (from the start of the edition)
Did they abandon 30k after streamers were really mean to them or are they going to release all 20 iron warrior/salamanders characters at once?

>>96523563
Because they're a bunch of fuckups

I do not care for the Saturnine Aquila. It insists upon itself.

>>96523526
Fuck me, that could be the terrain I kickstarted

>>96523568
>Tons of pre-existing IF and SoH without models as well as BL writer self inserts
>Number of IW and Sal characters: zero

It's pretty self explanatory.

>>96523568
Dantioch may or may not be a canceled model, and they JUST released a Sallie for 40k. It wouldn't surprise me if both of those were originally meant to come out with 3.0. Remember 3.0 release was completely fucked and rushed, and we're not sure why yet.

>>96523131
Yes.
Also because I like the Minotaurs and HH1 Iron Warriors played like them

>>96523568
I think resin character spam is one of the things from last edition that didn't hold up in sales. That and armories of [legion].

>>96523194
Yes, but you shouldn't. It's not really thematic.

>Scrolling GW's webshop to see how hard the price hike has hit
>Destroyer squad with jump pack is still actively being sold
WHAT?! And no rules in the libers???? My brain hurts, why is GW so schizo when it comes to what made it into the HH libers?

>>96523603
They have a bunch of old Legacy character for Iron Warriors and Salamanders that they could create models for and they could also add the 1st Captains for each legion, both of who are named and feature in the Heresy series.
They could also, you know, not be lazy fags and actually create new characters or develop background characters for the legions.

>>96523808
Hazard suits were sold for almost a year after they were legends'd

>>96518449
Phone camera keeps making them more pink than they look irl

>>96523854
god I fucking love XV9s

>>96523998
The Best. Thank god for recasters

>>96524014
phased ion gun one looked the best in my opinion

>>96524035
They all looked the best. Except Ralai, ironically.

>>96523808
>And no rules in the libers????

they're in the Legacies PDF

>>96523668
this

they've said across the last edition and this one that the game is moving away from resin

the plastic characters were fine just put a helmet on him if you're frightened of beards but they're more expensive to produce and need higher volumes of sales to justify the mold price over a resin equivalent, and other plastics have to move off the store to make way for them too

eventually it'll be like 40k but that's several years off

>>96524114
>and other plastics have to move off the store to make way for them too
Please don't tell me you genuinely believe in the sku bloat meme

Which Legions do you see the least of in games?

>pizza place gives me a big sheet of aluminum foil
>its thickness is perfect for AT banners
Dare I?

>>96524534
>banners
Purity seals.
>b-but those are post-Her-
PURITY SEALS!

>>96524070
Legacies is supposed to be for stuff they don't sell anymore or have never sold. They removed all the wargear options because no mini no rules but then they sell stuff with no official rules, and then the libers have stuff like outriders that seem to have been out of stock since the plastic kit they were based off was squatted at the beginning of 2.0, so they might as well not sell them anymore.
I can't expect GW to not be retarded, but it'd be nice if their retardation was at least consistent...

>>96524612
>soft metal
So something like gold? cool

>>96523492
there IH Clan Ayreas from the martian civil war who did stuff with the Dark Mech later on.
The true sons of Zeon seen here, the armoured company captured at Isst V. About half of the Terrans that wandered back from the Ghoul stars and had a beer with Horus that you used to read about in the RG codex blurbs.
There are Traitor Sallies from Isst V, as well as some random company Nick Kyme created that attacks Nocturne.
Traitor White Scars that were punching BA &UM in the face with SoH allies One detachment was featured in Garro:sword of truth attacking Isst loyalist survivors..
Scattered BA who gave in to the Thirst.
UM who said fuck everybody and a Chaplin who was turned on Calth...but I think that guy was killed off.
Traitor SW exist and are mentioned killing civvies and Russ' death howl from 2.0 rules

As far as Named characters of importance you don't have any because the BL hates traitors.
In the Blackshield section of the Black Book's, I think, there was mention that a bunch of IH and WS companies were stricken from records for going traitor.

>>96524665
>gold
Worthless!

Hmmm...

>drop my magos dominus
>hear a crack and fear the worst
>his big ass head had snapped off
>not the delicate arm up front
Praise the machine god i guess

>>96524849
>his big ass head had snapped off
So nothing important then.

>>96524867
She'd make a great Inquisitor. A radical one, most likely, but no less loyal.

>>96524901
I mean, Alucard is literally a Demonhost

>>96524699
Forever lmao-ing at the White Scars who got suckered by the Night Lords into fighting the Dark Angels and only realized their mistake when they saw the NL skinning prisoners.

>>96524946
More like a daemon prince desu

>>96513451 (OP)
maximum BRRRR

>>96524946
>>96525061
It's a bit of a cheap solution. Ignoring his wilder forms and powers, he feels like a (Dark) Eldar. Maybe one that's a powerful psyker from pre-Fall that was captured.

>>96525101
>maximum
Where's the pintle BRRRR?

>>96525118
I'd go with DP of Malal, if Malal was still canon. With the current lore there's not much room fur a "good" chaotic character, barring BS like super speshul saints redeeming chaos marines before they die

>>96525122
i used both pintle to make sponsors

>>96525029
you can but they weren't Traitors, just misguided Loyalist

can thousand sons ally with tzeentch demons?

>>96525329
yes

You hate pardo and sn battle report because streamers told you to hate him. I hate pardo and sn battle report because they never fucking do a close out to see the entire army at the start of the battle report and instead they do this little gay camera panning to see a portion of their army bit by bit at a time.

Are you seriously allowed to just attach a jump pack model to cataphractii and give them a 4" setup move? It sounds like bullshit, but I can't see anything that says you have to keep unit coherency during the charge, and setup move is on a per model basis not for the unit based on the slowest model.

>>96524849

Every time I have to stick a mechadendrite back onto one of my Magi I'm more and more tempted to grab a bunch of bits and rebuild the worst offenders as Lacrymaerta so they can fix themselves, preferably with less sticky-out bits. It really clashes with my desire to build all my AL traitor magi as coils of cables and skulls puppeting broken Terminator suits so that they can plausibly pass as Marines if they have to before bursting out into Elden Ring deathblight procs made of mechadendrites and power blades for combat.

>>96525397
does heavy break it in any way?

>>96525399
There's a reason I started making cables out of guitar wire.

>>96525396
Fuck off anon.
People hate him because he is a tiny little cheating smug fuck that deliberately plays the rules wrong to give him an advantage.
Also he's genuinely just not pleasant to listen to. He's fucking annoying and always talks over his guests.

>>96525405
Only in that it's a 4' move instead of a 5" one, even without init 12" is huge for setup.

>>96525409
Dude this, I had no idea who he was before 3rd but I refused to watch a single SN batrep because his voice was so grating

>>96525409
>deliberately plays the rules wrong to give him an advantage.
does he? I've never seen that. If anything, aside from dreadspam last edition, he always seems to take ineffciient "termies in a spartan" deathstars and then never have them disembark until t4

>>96525420
Yes.
People would call him out about it, and he'd just ignore them and keep doing it.
Like utterly deranged rules interpretations where he would just ignore half a sentence to justify random bullshit like giving his deathstar an extra attack each by grossly misrepresenting a WE warlord trait.
Every. Single. Game.

fuck pardo

Anons, is the acuitor the most busted duelist in the game?
For the low cost of 190 points (base 115 + cyber familiar, rad furnace, programming interrupt and a thunderhammer) and a prime slot you get a base ws7 6a monster, but in a challenge is where it gets insane:
Use programming interrupt to get to ws8. Use the gambit (testing at effectively i11 because of the cyber familiar) to buff ws, attacks, initiative and strength by 2.
You now have 8 WS10 attacks at S10 ap2 d2 at i4 (and the enemy toughness is debuffed by 1 via rad furnace). You should be wounding everything in the game on 2s, and ws5 is hitting you on 6s now.
You will probably dumpster anything that's not a primarch in a challenge. Primarchs are hitting you on 5s (but will still probably win because you're incredibly fragile)

Am I misunderstanding the rules? Is the acuitor actually that absolutely broken? If so I foresee a very mad Sigismund player in my future.

>>96525450
You're misunderstanding, the gambit let's you effectively distribute your battlesmith value into those stats, not raise all of those stats by your battlesmith value. Also pprogramming interrupt can o ly be bought by archmagi, you want overcharge Reactors.

Hot take: The Mechanicum book is the best designed book by far, it's got great internal balance, excellent unit variety, and unrivaled listbuilding flexibility and customization options. Aside form some glaring oversights like no jump pack magos or the transport keyword issue, it blows other books out of the water

>>96525463
You're right anon, I had only seen the gambit description in New Recruit and not in the book (with the paragraph about splitting the value).

I had missed the cybertheurgist clause too, I thought overcharge reactors was limited to vehicles and automata.

Forgive me for my lack of reading comprehension

>10 point thralls
>great balance

>>96525487
DESU one of these days I want to try out the meme CybertheurgistsOnly.Com list,just bring out the whole ass family. The real question is what gets run as Magi and what gets run as techpriests because even either officer cadre I don't have enough

>>96523088
Just read the Dantioch novels

>>96525513
I always love seeing your dudes anon, especially the big boy with the knight hull.

>>96525450
You read the gambit wrong. Also the downside is you're malagra keyword, and 190 pts isn't low, that's more tgan a praetor

>>96525513
This is goals

>>96525487

Overcharge Reactors is still perfectly good for this since it's much cheaper and gets you down to 170-175 fully loaded - get Paragon of Battle and boost to WS8 before the charge and you will murder people with 6 S9 finishing blow attacks even without the Malagra gambit, and the gambit gives you a really dangerous option for use when the enemy has a wound count that FBlow wouldn't help with or if they have it instead. You don't actually need the rad-furnace, it very rarely matters and if you need it for the escorts then Scyllax will handle it.

I was very bored on a lunch break and rolled out a best of 3 of Paragon/Thammer/Cyberfamiliar/OR arcuitor vs Siggy, randomising who got the charge. It was sufficiently close that I took it all the way out to best of 19 before I stopped bothering, ended at Arcuitor 10, Siggy 9. Anyone weaker than Siggy (or Abbadon, who is actually stronger here) gets rinsed, and the Arc did actually manage to beat up Lorgar one out of the four times I tried it. Not exactly reliable, but sometimes the primarch genuinely does just fail to crit you to death and you get to chunk them for 3 wounds a round.

Like most Mech melee units they're very points-efficient but limited by delivery systems - if the Macrocarid wasn't bricked by [Macrotek] I think 11 Scyllax and an Arcuitor would be an amazing mini-deathstar to put in it for 445pts.

>>96525476

I was quite down on it to begin with but every time I start playing around with a unit I discover a fun thing it can be used for, I'm really warming to it. The jump packs and transport keyword things really do

>>96525604
You can always make it a macrotek magos, you just miss out on 1 point of ws

>>96523587
Snot Goblin?

>>96525615
actually nvm it's 2 points of WS and 2 attacks. Archamogs is 1 ws and 1 attack

>>96525405
yes

>>96525397
>A Unit that includes any Models with the Heavy Sub-Type only uses its Movement Characteristic to determine how far it moves as part of a Set-up Move, not Movement and Initiative totalled.

the jump pack guy gets the big 4" Set-up but the Cata don't; he would get 5" but he's stuck with Waddle Squad so doesn't count Initiative towards his own Set-up Move, and he can't break Unit Coherency to do so because he's not allowed to leave the Unit during that Move

IW players, how are your Tyrants performing for you?
310 points (obviously need their little anti-cover thing) for 5 of them feels very steep.

>>96525644
NTA, but unit coherency does not apply during setup moves and it would break for any model with a setup greater than 3' if it did, you have to move initial charger first, then everyone else, then pile in

>>96525644
Anon it's explicitly called out that you can move beyond unit coherency during setup, everyone just has to move as close as possible to coherency

Does anyone have a scan of Liber Strategia?

>>96525687
Bruh what? You don't need coherence MID move because you are half way through an action, otherwise you could never move shit.
But you DO need to always stay in coherency when completing any movement. That's some rules lawyer bullshit to try claim your munchkin jumppack character can just fly out of unit coherency of the rest of it's unit and somehow still be legal.

>>96525700
>>96525692

>>96525703
Whelp, I stand corrected. I'll be in the dunce corner.

But what the fuck happens if your jump pack guy gets into actual combat, but the cara squad can't even get into coherency. If they're not in coherency are they even a unit at that point? Do they get to pile in? What if pile in stops them from getting into coherency as well?

>>96525717
I checked there as well, nothing about pile in says you have to be in unit coherency (and again, nor could it, even in old rules you could have a big unit spread across get butchered and survive with 2 models left on opposite sides of the combat). So jump pack sets up ahead 4", they either make it into combat or hopefully survive volley fire, cataphractii set up 1", get a charge move if they didn't make it into combat with setup, then get a 3' pile in to make it into combat if anyone's lagging behind

>>96525634
Yup, I'll admit it, I have enough models to paint already I can't be fucked painting terrain nicely, but I also hate the prime and dry brush a single color crap

>>96525745
>>96525745
>>96525745

>>96525738
A big unit losing coherency due to casualties isn't the same thing as an IC not being in coherency due to casualties, since it has to be in coherency to be counted as part of the unit.
I just can't recall if they instantly get thrown out of the unit (pretty sure there is/was an exception for being in combat), or if it's at the end of your movement phase specifically where it gets kicked out.

I ask because it's possible that even after a charge move, the cata squad could be both out of combat range, AND out of coherency with the jump character (i.e. jump guy is at the front, plus longer setup, plus just scrapping into melee on the charge, and possibly catas getting killed by volleyfire).

>>96525692
it says the opposite of what you're claiming in the image you've posted, anon

you MUST end your Set-up Move in Coherency if it is possible - that doesn't mean you can move one model with a bigger move further than the other models if it would take that model out of Coherency, it means if midway through the Set-up something has happened, like a bullshit explosion that kills a bitch, and you physically CAN'T get into Coherency again, those models left behind don't have to worry as long as they move in the way that brings them closest to their friends (they'll probably get a chance to get into Coherency during the Charge anyway)

MUST is an instruction, MAY is a suggestion

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Hoping for some feedback on my initial start list, not really sure how I want to build after these two tac squads

Crusade Primary Detachment [549 Point(s)]
Praetor [135 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol (default), Terranic greatsword, One Apex Detachment, Prime Unit (Paragon of Battle)

Centurion [100 Point(s)]: Reaper of Hosts
• 1x Centurion with Jump Pack Bolt pistol (default), Terranic greatsword,
Prime Unit (Paladin of the Hekatonystika)
Herald [110 Point(s)]: Terranic greatsword, Bolt pistol, Icon of Allegiance

Assault Squad Unit, Combat Shields,
• 1x Sergeant Pair of lightning claws
• 2x Legionary Power lance, Combat shield
• 8x Legionary Chainsword, Combat shield
Prime Unit (Master Sergeant)

Ironwing Gauntlet ++ [630 Point(s),
Land Raider Carrier [270 Point(s)]: Twin heavy bolter, Pintle Mounted havoc launcher, Two Spons lascannon

Kratos Assault Tank [360 Point(s)]: Decurion Locus, Melta blast-gun, Autocannon, Two Sponson Mounted heavy flamers, Co-axial Autocannon (Melta blast-gun)

Stormwing Muster [460 Point(s)
Contemptor Dreadnought [180 Point(s)]: Gravis chainfist with in-built ranged weapon, Gravis plasma cannon, Plasma blaster, Havoc launcher

Troops [220 Point(s)]
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
1x Legionary Bolt pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-vox
8x Legionary Bolt pistol, Bolter
Prime Unit (Combat Veterans)
Tactical Squad [110 Point(s)]: Frag grenades, Krak grenades
1x Sergeant: Bolter, Bolt pistol
1x Legionary [20 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter, Nuncio-vox
8x Legionary [10 Point(s)]: Bolt pistol, Bolter
Prime Unit (LB - War-engine))

Rhino

Retinue [360 Point(s)]
Deathwing Companion Detachment [360 Point(s)]:
1x Deathwing Oathbearer: Terranic greatsword, Cytheron pattern aegis,
4x Deathwing Companion Terranic greatsword
2x Deathwing Companion Power fist, Bolter,
2x Deathwing Companion Calibanite Warblade, Cytheron pattern aegis, Bolt pistol