Thread 96539829

Trench Crusade General - /trench/
Let's Make A Warband Generator Edition

>What is Trench Crusade?
An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game still in a pre-release playtesting phase but with the full release slated for this year. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, it's awesome, and it's very Blanchitsu.

>What Trench Crusade is not
TC not an excuse for you to discuss IRL religion, history that didn't occur in the game, culture war shit, or discord bullshit on /tg/. Keep it on topic.

>What's the QRD on the background?
The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.

>How do I get started?
All the files are free online, but are split between the website and the discord. They have all been collected here for your convenience:
https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ

>third party sources for making trenchers:
https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAc

>Trench Compendium
Compendium: https://trenchcompendium.netlify.app/
Feedback Form: https://forms.gle/k44MxmJxWu3upDHT8

>Previous thread:
>>96384666

>Thread Question:
What's the thing you've most recently painted?
Or
What's the most awesome moment you've had in a recent game

>>96539829 (OP)
>Let's Make A Warband Generator Edition
I'll start with Heretic Legion
>Roll 1d6 to generate a variant
1. Knights of Avarice
2-4. Heretic Legion
5. Trench Ghosts
6. Naval Raiding Party

Rolled 2 (1d6)

>>96539847
Rollan

>>96539883
well I was more intending for us to make the actual generator, but we can roll while we write I suppose.
>2. Heretic Legion
Now we get to figure out what we were doing before we became legionnaires
Roll 1d6
1. Deserter Legion: You and your warband saw the horrors of war first hand and drove you to the brink of madness. Knowing that such horror exists can only mean that the faithful are wrong in that a benevolent god exists. Knowing that only death awaits the men of New Antioch, you've walked to the gates of Hell to swear fealty to a new master.
2. Born in Terror: You and your warbands are some of the many natives of the God forsaken lands claimed by the people who hold true faith. You were crafty strong enough to survive an upbringing brought on by Hell on Earth and now you see a way to be the cruel masters
3. Rejected by the Faithful: You and your peers were the faithful, until you were cast out by some misunderstanding of doctrine, choice of worship, or the sect you followed being declared heretical. This drove you away, and to survive you took refuge in the only places remaining. You reveled in what your old masters declared abhorrent, what fools you once were.
4. Deep Infiltrators: You and your families were once sent to the holy lands to secure a beach head for a time now coming. Your demonic masters have given you the strength to finish the task before you for their grand design. You know that the generations have made such a task harder but you are assured a place of honor amongst the hosts of hell should you succeed in your mission.
5. Wretched Adherents: Your warband were once the lowest of the castes of the Hell. You slew an enemy of the hordes of hell winning your freedom outright, but were rejected by the hosts of heaven upon your return. Now the only place left to turn is the nightmares you were forced to fight for. A fight you're now only more prepared for and willing to make.
6. Dealers Choice: Pick one of the above or make your own

>>96539829 (OP)
>September 2025
>Trench Crusade already frogotten

What went right?

>>96539829 (OP)
The models for Hunger look sick and I feel like that shouldve been the default Black Grail faction. Thralls that are just shambling zombies is fucking boring as all hell in a game where you cant make large mobs, having thralls that can actually equip stuff, and we still dont know what Dirge is suppose to look like.

>>96539829 (OP)
Has anybody used the third party pastebin's stuff? I've been eyeing Anvil Industry's stuff but I'm not sure about pulling the trigger.

>>96540339
>The models for Hunger look sick and I feel like that shouldve been the default Black Grail faction.
This is from Nova Open. Those of you that haven't seen it should watch the presentation here:
https://youtu.be/aztMGTMoyAE?feature=shared
Not my vid but I was in the audience

>>96540339
I think BG is getting a rework, the new Matagot Hag unit seems to imply that taking it gives you a small small horde of zombies to play with, so now there is a unit that you can pick that can let you exceed the unit cap, and thralls are not just shambling zombies now, but more like actual monsters.

>>96540368
Thanks. Was there anything of note not shown in this?

>>96540376
There was another 5 minutes or so of presentation before moving onto qna,, but I can't recall anything major that got missed here off the top of my head, sorry anon that was a few weeks ago now. Next event I'll need my own camera I guess

What size XPS board would you use for terrain? 2" thick? Just to make trenches?

>>96540783
>What size XPS board would you use for terrain? 2" thick? Just to make trenches?
2" board will work great for trench blocks to make a nice portable modular set up, if you already have something to put that on. Note that larger minis will be visible over the lips of blocks that size, and it'll never look as cohesive as a more static board, but they are way more practical from a gaming experience

Man I fucking love the nuns, coverts injuries to blessings +1/+1. sure not anything meaningful for ranged options but clearly not where they belong.

Though maybe I should try and check out martyr penitents if I get a long campaign again.
>>96540075
Thought we told you to take your culture war bullshit with you back to whatever shithole you came from.

Out of all places, fucking Aliexpress was the last place I expected to find printed TC minis

>>96542349
Title reads like some anime title wth

>>96542359
Yeah no kiddin'
But looking at the reviews, does seem to be legit, shame there isnt any BG minis on there though

>>96540368
>two comments saying they're not allowed to play
What's this about?

>>96542359
Typical "catch as many search phrases as possible" carpeting, it's been a thing (in that specific form) since eBay was new and shiny.

I am taking the Aliexpress pill, this shit for 5 euro is a goddamn steal

>>96542370
Arch dick riders anon, I unsubbed to him over this shit. There are people that know nothing about this and only watched Archs scorned lover videos on it, so when he says "the developers hate you" they only have his word on it.
>get told to fuck off when you try to take over a project you had no hand in making
>"what the fuck I made this, me, my community because Im so popular, I made you. Youre nothing without me and my community!"
>"what hte fuck are you talking about, I was an artist in the industry and have made a game before this and was doing just fine, you dont own anything here"
>"wow this game is woke, abandon ship. They hate chuds because they didnt let me take the reigns and dictate the direction of the game"
Just play the fucking game if you enjoy it. How entitled do you have to be to demand someone elses project be changed to fit your wants and needs even after it was successful and the person making it has success in this field to prove that they are right, and you tried the same thing and tripped and fell on the first hurdle

Yes, arch wanted to make a tabletop game for chuds in response to this, he buried this becuase it was so fucking generic it was embarassing.

>>96542450
Arch is a fucking loser, I havent and wont give his videos on TC a view but knowing how this ERP sounding sperg was about WH videos I expect nothing of quality or value

>>96542450
Its not even the first time
>"the helldivers 2 devs hate you! Theyre makng fun of you"
>his own audience calls him a retard
And then he had to make a video responding to his own audience when he said Kingdome Come Deliverance 2 shouldnt be abandoned even when the creator of the game openly called him and and other commentators nazis and bigots, like, it wasnt implied, he said it, and that was the game he wanted people to defend and embrace.

Arch shows you just have to realize, everyone has their biases, trust only yourself, dont let people tell you who hates you, look at what they said and parse that information for yourself.

>>96542414
Is the barrel bent?

>>96542604
Looks a little like it, another reseller seems to have the better result though so you just gotta dig until you hit right

>>96542450
That video got fed to me. Frankly, I don't give a shit if the devs hate me or not. I don't care about the culture war. The only time it has been an issue is I made some off-hand comment that I missed sexy minis (while playing Infinity) and the dude talked down to me basically implying that sexy minis are what keep women from playing the game.
Digest that for a second. Sexy minis - not the fact it's a super niche hobby that's very expensive and requires you to spend hours at a table with a bunch of fat guys with mixed results on hygiene.

>>96542495
>>96542495
Wasn't the creator of Kingdom Come Daniel Vazvra or some shit? I remember that name in the Gamer Gate crap. He used to post pictures of him smoking cigars and being served liquor by women in corsets. How the worm turns.

>>96543570
Yea Daniel Vavra. Flat out fighting with people online complaining about what is absoloutely woke stuff being added to the sequel, and again, flat out called people "grifters and bigots" and didnt need people to do mental gymnastics to see how its being implied, but Arch(and frankly, most people complaining) still bought the game and then started coping about how it was ok this time and you should try to coopt the game rather than abandon it...but didnt do that for TC? Again, everyone has their biases.

He got his hand slapped because he tried to put his hand on the wheel and then imply that the career artist and guy who already has games under his belt wont be successful without him and his community, AFTER the game took off. Like, come on man. Youre not that important, just make your own game with that influence if you are, Id be happy to see it, part of what makes TC enjoyable is that its part of this modern movement to make alternative games, TC isnt the only one, Id like to see more, and they are not invalid just because they arent beating warhammer. See Turnip, thats a simple game with a really nice community, but its not large at all, it doesnt need to be big it just needs to actually exist so it can find a niche audience.

>>96543559
I think thats a one guy thing, dont let those kinds of people dictate what the rest of ANY community is, theres always going to be that one retard that stands out for the wrong reasons that you remember over any other interaction that was normal.
>hags endlessly birth little people, the model is a bunch of people spewing out of her pussy
Like, this shit is edgy lol, a lot of people in general let alone women probably wont be interested regardless. Ive heard criticism that the setting is far too bleak to get into, and its a pretty fair thing to say honestly, but I like edgy over the top shit, makes for cool models.

>>96543792
As far as alternative games, I've enjoyed Relicblade.

>>96539829 (OP)
>TQ
Heretic captain took on two heavy mechanized infantry and Melee combat and I kept rolling good to abuse the puppetmaster skill and get free melee hits.
It was pretty disgusting, but then again so is pressing two heavy shotguns to my elite

>>96543792
>part of what makes TC enjoyable is that its part of this modern movement to make alternative games, TC isnt the only one, Id like to see more, and they are not invalid just because they arent beating warhammer.
Yeah, the ones that come off the top of my head are Quar, Turnip, and Blood and Plunder all replicate the feel of the 40k system without the dogshit prices and rules.

I've always kinda felt arch had a stick up his ass and was really just trying to be sargon for warhammer players, and the fact that he's kept doubling down on the culture war bullshit really speaks volumes. At the end of the day as much as I dislike troons, if they shut the fuck up and roll dice I'm willing to play.

>>96540365
I’ve bought Anvil’s cast resin stuff, it was fine. Never used their 3d print stuff, though.

>>96544084
Puppet master is pretty fucking crazy desu. But I am not in love with the heretic priest model.

In part I don't find all of the black grail stuff interesting, though some is cooler than other. But undead fortitude seems increadibly fucking strong and coupled with widespread fear they just seem dead hard.
Is it supposed to be offset by them not seeming very shooty or something?

>>96542450
>arch wanted to make a tabletop game for chuds in response to this, he buried this becuase it was so fucking generic it was embarassing.

Now i am interested. do you know anything more about that particular project?

Trench crusade should have been 28mm scaled because the majority of minis are in 28mm scale which means easier conversions.
Hell our list of mini manufacturers is all 28mm.

>>96546282
Most people play 28mm minis regardless.

>>96546289
Because it is the true scale that tc should have been if anybody wants to put that whole conversion aspect into practice.

>>96546274
He showed it off in one of his videos about TC, I definately remember that.

Like, I never want to knock people for trying to make something, I wish people did it more, but I think what he was making sounded way more interesting in his head than it did said out loud, and when he finally said it out loud he realized that and never did it again. People came to TC because the art was great , if the art was generic I dont think people wouldve cared, if you want to make a unique setting for a game you need to come out the gate with a cool aesthetic that is distinct and makes for varied factions, otherwise theyre not going to care about the introcate history youve written, that shit doesnt get people making models and playing games. If I was to make my own game I would pick a historic era/model model range and then build an aesthetic around that and make test models with them to show if you dont have art.

>>96546257
they're not very shooty and they don't have amazing kill power until they start stacking infection markers. They're meant to be slow-grow, late-game monsters

>>96546564
The Dirge variant does have guns however, so I dont know how that also works out with fear and toughness for them specifically. They seem like a better BG than the default all around, you miss out on the lord and the amalgum but the tradeoff being you have a lot of guns seems more than worth it since it gets around their biggest weakness as a faction. I hope the talk of a rework for the faction is true, things like thralls and especially the flying ones seem useless, not even because of stats but because of the unit cap.

The showcase for new stuff they did showed new thralls look like lickers from Resident Evil instead of zombies so I hope they have been changed to be something worth using a slot on.

>>96546564
>they don't have amazing kill power until they start stacking infection markers
I remain not entirely convinced, doesn't seem different from stacking blood markers, they seem to have access to + injury roll/dice weapon in reasonable amount.

aliniggas have no chill, its been like a day

>>96539829 (OP)
>What's the most awesome moment you've had in a recent game
HL Priest took on a Brazen Bull by himself.
Smote it into the ground and actually campaign-killed it.
That guy had a fucking good run. Was absolutely the main character on the tabletop (until he wasn't).

>>96547487
Well desu not like a HL priest is a soft target either.

>>96539829 (OP)
I was working on these again Sunday. Last week the best thing that happened was I had to play vs Prussia and he missed 8 Grenades so the game was actually kinda balanced lmao.

ANGRY! ANGRY ABOUT WARWOLVES!
Also he clearly painted around an actual image of a machinegun here.
>>96548533
Everyone seems ti go prussia if anything with NA. Are they that much better or is the other stuff just not interesting? Like I know long range nades are good and tankbuster swords are strong but do other variants just not perform?

>>96548734
Its because they get to field a bunch of guys in cool looking armour it seems. I made some test models for Eire but didnt like the direction, and just went back to making default because cool trenchoats and gasmasks.

Id like to see model examples of all the factions just for inspiration, the guys I actually play are TP cavalcade, Ive only had 1 game against NA default, were waiting for full rules now.

>>96548734
It's just that Prussia is NA but better. The only downsides don't really matter to the gameplan of NA. No Reinforced armor doesn't matter because you aren't putting armor on your chaff and your lieutenant and Mechanized infantry get the most OP armor in the game anyways. If you're gonna armor shield+standard is only 25 bucks and is as good as like TP or IS are gonna get on their normal dudes. And long term NA doesn't field max MCI.

In return you gain 4" range on the best/most efficient item in the game (grenades), weapons that have a 50+% mortality rate if the opponent so much as wore a single point of armor that's not a shield, everyone gets the dog "bonus dice to dash" for super cheap, your leader is still unkillable, and you can infiltrate more. Oh and an extra fireteam which is very good. I love their flavor but their shit is mad overturned. The only thing that brings them into balance is missing every grenade and charge, or picking off their fireteama/activation advantage. NA is actually relatively high skill in my opinion but prussia brings it down and gives it a million amazing tools.

>>96548734
NA has like 6 official sub factions. Who have varying cool flavor but don't have nearly the power prussia does. People also like Germans

>>96548734
As said, prussia is just overtuned pretty hard and their drawbacks arent that harsh if noticable.
>oh no only 1 mecha hitler
Yeah but the leader still gets to be mecha hitler too so w/e. Grenades are just good in general and with that range, great.

>>96548913
Prussia, the irish, the scotts and the papal intervention force and the abyssinians?

>>96540048
Hmm

>>96548913
The Papal intervention force initially seems gimped, but you realize how insanely good they are once you have the extra glory.
I'll say in a dead on fight prussians come out on top, but Papals having the ability to make early purchases like the Jawbone, or knighthoods is very powerful in the long term.

Red brigade also offers the retardedly powerful gunslinger perk for just *5 Ducats*. Which allows you to take two auto pistols and get what amounts to a machinegun you can use as an assault weapon.

The only one I'd say is actually underpowered is Eire, since a lot of their faction specials need a serious tradeoff (Berzerker having the LT wear no armor, Hit-And-Run still triggering Melee attacks, etc.)

>>96548974
I'd say you have two counters to prussia.
You have the "I'm not touching you" counter. Which basically means you make a unit with insane range/damage infiltrate in a spot that forces the Prussia player to play defensively. Or, you rob them of charge bonuses by forcibly engaging them in Melee first.

First one I find easier with a very mobile warband (Navy Heretics are a good example of this, since infiltrating an artillery witch is a fucking warcrime) The second one needs you to have a lot of chaff, or some people who're beefy enough to take withering fire/are hard to damage (I find death commandos do this pretty well, though if you're a cheeky fuck you can do some nasty shit with heralds)

>>96549110
I love that the counter is arguably tied or barely behind prussia in terms of power. HL are a menace but I love them. Also have my start of my foam trench boxes.

Finished my Pilgrims, next is gonna be a Dirge warband. I orderd 3 of the Dark Tides knights from westfalia miniatures.
How do I play it? Just go arty spam and gas grenades?

>>96549067
>>96549110
Just realized my friend made a Prussian force to go with his HL.
Preparing my butt hole.

Sniper priest

>>96549652
hell yeah

Hello, havnt posted in a while cos life got in the way.
Im soon done with my first warband using raging heroes/heroes infinite, all the models are printed but i am getting some alt models printed(1 extra hellknight cos 2 of the 3 i currently have are the same sculpt and some alt sorcerers which arn't standing on the ground, ill have 3 sorcerers total so i might try and write a fanmade subfaction)
After they are done im thinking of doing my second printed army with iron sultanate using the iron wall defenders sub faction but making it asian themed. The latest month of heroes infnite subscription has some models i could easily use for most of the faction including pic related which i would really love to use as cannons.
Now my question is for a campaign how many models would i need for a full campaign?
Ill need at least 13 for the silahdar, alchemist, 2 officer janissary, 2 cannons, 1 brazen bull, 4 sappers, a sipahi captain and a mamluk faris but how many azebs should i go for? would 6 total using a few different units from the 4 different asian themed releases i own be enough?

>>96550188
I've only gotten into the game recently, but I am pretty interested in what happened to east Asia in this setting. I imagine the Heretic Navy raids India and China but they'd be protected from land assaults by the Iron Sultanate and the Iron Wall

>>96550188
6 would be fine. 3 with flamethrowers is mandatory since other than your cannon and bull (with flame cannon) IS has fuck all for penetrating high armor. You really shouldn't bring more than 1 cannon ever unless your boards don't use trenches and terrain.

Defenders are cringe and making them like, goofy fantasy chinese before we have a glimpse of the east is wack but I hope this helped.

How do I build a Pilgrim force? I'm stuck between two basic concepts that sound fun to kitbash and play:
>A) Screaming horde of wretched retards with improvised melee weapons
>B) Elite unit of Nun ninjas focused around hit-and-run tactics
From the games I've played against them (mostly vanilla Pilgrims), Pilgrims seem very reliant on their Elites. So Idea A would probably be based around going Sacred Affliction and surrounding my Elite core with as many cheap bodies as possible, mixing in some Strong guys with tank hammers and shields. Then I mob the board, and letting my heavy hitters down people while the Millstones do the rest.
Idea B seems harder. I'd go Cavelcade, where the lambs, capriotes, and a Blessing each round might really help the Nuns. I'd still keep a modest Pilgrim melee core lead by a Castigator, but the flanking Nuns and Prophet would be the true threats. But, the absolute shitload of other restrictions make me wonder whether it's really worth it. Even the lambs would basically be a 20 ducat tax each game since they're consumable. Vanilla Pilgrims would give me a more balanced force, but Vanilla Nuns don't seem very impressive.
Again, I'm not sure which to do, or whether the game even supports these play styles. Any thoughts from experienced Pilgrim players?

I wish 7-Headed Serpent demons were customizable, maybe not to the degree of a Homunculus or Anchorite since they already have spells, but at least a few body options would be cool. I have some really nice demon miniatures from the 7 Sins board game by CMON lying around, but the fact that most don't have wings or hands is really a bummer.
>Just pretend they can levitate or something
I know, but man...

>>96551644
Sacred affliction getting no capriotes means that they are prime fodder for grenades, gas and fear by the way, so you will end up taking the martyrdom pills for the guys you want to keep alive, which is more expensive, yes, thats right, they do not have gasmasks or helmets, the lack of capriotes is a major setback for survivability for all those great boons this warband gets, this one seemingly minor thing is actually huge. Consider the lamb tax like giving anything an extra hitpoint. Its perfect for making regular chaff into tanks so the prophet can start spamming that smite ability on whatever the chaff is pinning down, meaning they dont have to risk getting into a melee with something that can kill them and can defeat armour without even having to pay for a weapon for doing that, meaning more points for elsewhere, and it means those chaff units can get into melee with the strongst units in the game and not get run over immediately, and can invalidate a successful charge. Use it to have a group of these tanks just follow the prophet around, you dont need to give everything the lamb until you have spare points, just these guys and the elites.
>pilgrim, flail, warcross, shield, armour, capriote, lamb
Theres a tank, where even when the enemy actualy does do damage for the first time after defeating the armour, you just ignore it, imagine how fucking annoying that is.

Nuns punch way above their point cost by the way, youll want to take some no matter what.

>Love Eire's flavor and lore so much
>Look at their rules
>Disappointment
So I'm giving up heavy weapons, the command ability on my HQ unit, and one of my fireteams in return for... A reduced chance to get hit when leaving Melee, and the abilitty to sidestep being charged?
I don't get it, am I a fucking brainlet? The upsides are nice but it doesn't make up for being deprived several of my most powerful assets.

>>96552054
Not played Eire but wouldnt the Berserker upgrade be more useful than on my command?
infiltrator schocktroopers i imagine could do some decent damage, oh and also the instant down ability on clerics seems fun

Rolled 4 (1d6)

>>96540048
I'll roll for this one

>>96552187
>>96552054
Seems like youre suppose to keep using their improved retreat and the fiannas skirmish to avoid getting stuck in melee so they can shoot more with weapons that have shorter range. Give fianna autoshotguns and other high powered close range weapons and use infiltrate to get close, and use skirmish/retreat to stay out of melee so they can keep firing, if you make this work it seems like it would shred enemies and kite them around, but the moment they get caught you have an incredibly squishy unit since noone can use heavy armour or weapons, so the moment you come up against some elite wearing armour youre running up against a brick wall with no real soloutions besides shooting at it more. I mostly just struggled to make something that looks interesting with them, Id be interested to see what other people do with it.

I dont see the application of the berserk unit given the lack of heavy weapons, id put it on the leader, give him 2 axes and grenades and thats it, and then drop him into any melee and fish for critical hits with the axes and +2 melee, but the unit isnt that strong honestly, the survivabilty is undone by the fact they cant wear armour at all, the unit will die outright rather than through sustained damage, and the killing power isnt there because they cant use heavy weapons.

Companion guy here, I've been looking at stats since Tuomas is interested (not sharing specifics of course, just broad numbers).

Heres a quiz: What variant do you guys think was the least common? For context "base" is treated as a variant here. Bonus points if you try and guess what % of warbands it makes up.

>>96552774
I'm going to guess dirge, black grail seems to get the least play overall and I've never seen a dirge player before. Alternately it could be a faction of New Antioch just by numbers of sub factions cannibalising each other

>>96551679
I mean it's a your doods focused narrative war game. What do your doods have and do? A guy I played had a totally gorgeous ice focused court war band. Flavor then according top what fun bits you did add

>>96552774
Probably dirge or the IS cannon version. Maybe 3%?

>>96542450
>he buried this becuase it was so fucking generic it was embarassing
He abandoned the project? lmao.

>>96552774
Abyssinian expeditionary force.
Or one of the court sins if those count

>>96551961
>Nuns punch way above their point cost by the way, youll want to take some no matter what.
This, dont want non unless you got nuns

>>96548983
Red brigade, they are not in the rules pdf but a separate one

>>96552863
>>96553016
>>96553062
The answer is Cavalcade of the Tenth Plague, with 0.3% of warbands - terribly low lmao.

>>96553069
Cant find any titty models for conversion which is my problem with them, Ive seen people using fireforge female wizards and barbarians for just women that wear robes.

>>96553496
That would be a shame because that is the faction you pick if you want to make your prophet the protagonist of the board and I think people see it as more mundane than it is because it doesnt get a lot of new toys. Heres what your prophet looks like in that warband;
>Lamb to ignore first successful BM
>Prophet ability ignores first death
>this is all fallback of course to the armour you have
>with the free blessing marker each turn you can use it to give injury rolls a -1, make sure the wrath triggers, or just fish for criticals with a critical hit weapon
pic related, and then you get the wrath ability, which does not count as a ranged attack if a friendly unit is in melee with the target so doesnt need to roll the dice to see if it will hit your own unit, and doesnt end your turn on success, meaning you can then attack something else.

Mechanised Heavy Infantry

>>96553840
Awesome. Yours?

>>96553842
Yes. here's my shocktroopers

>>96539829 (OP)
>TQ
Tested out my airbrush by mixing up a custom metallic blue blend for the base coat. I think it turned out pretty damn good.

Still in progress, need to paint the bomb. Any suggestions for the magic stuff around the bomb?

>>96553496
It doesn’t really surprise me that much.
Ignoring one blood marker per model, per game isn’t really that significant and eats 5 ducats per model. It also has a chance of doing nothing if your guy gets yeeted on the spot. The war prophet ability is fun, but that’s about it for the subfaction.

Every other special rule is a restriction.

The Sacred Affliction has restrictions, but in return frees you up to do a lot of fun stuff.

Only one sniper priest for prussia does limit you. But you still get the one and he can do a lot of work. Several sniper priests don't really fit into the prussian gameplan anyway

>>96554752
Looks pretty cool! You could try doing some like blue flames with green tips or similar to match the rest of the model

>>96554752
>Metallic blend
I am secure in myself enough to declare that I am jealous. Haven't seen a royal blue paint-scheme though so I've got no advice.

>>96552503
>4. Deep Infiltrators
I can keep writing out the generator myself, but I was really hoping we could make this a community effort like the olden 40k generator threads these originate from. Then start working on building our own stuff for TC amongst the /tg/ historical diaspora

i am once again asking if alba has lore yet

Been looking for something more robotic and started kicking around the idea of a Court warband that's all demons stuck inside bodies of metal and machinery a la daemon engines. Just need to figure out what sort of minis would work for that...

Please for the love of god can base sultans get something in 1.0 im in game 8 of my campaign and the seige jezzails arent cutting it anymore and my champion titan bull keeps rolling like shit.

>>96560034
Mike Franchina has quite literally mentioned such an army in a lore blurb (War Cardinal, if you’re curious).

Of course, since they’ve busied themselves with making the shittest STL models known to man, this “faction” has not been developed at all.

>>96560034
Stargrave Automatons might have bits you can use, even if only for smaller Court lads.

>>96561053
There was an Anon that wrote a custom faction about demon machines. Legions of Tubal or something?

>>96560964
What's your list, anon?
I run IS, and I have had some troubles in later games, although not near as bad as yours. I am worried that IS ended up undercooked; the Assassins being ehhh was a harbinger, I fear.

>>96561053
No shit? I'll have to look into that.

>>96561535
I'll also have to look into those. Appreciate the help.

>99 dollars for stls
Wtf

I both like the idea of HMI, but also don't especially like the models.

Anyway, here's my take on them. A Lieutenant in more traditional Machine armour (he'll get gold as he gets more battles under his belt, and the wings actually clip on and off), and one of my 'Human Battleships'.
Joined by a longsuffering Sister of saint Cosmas, and a pretty, unstable Sister of an unknown order in the back.


I don't know if I want to try traditional British Navy colours on him, or go for the HMH colours from Uber.

>>96561595
Bull with damascus (as of now r8) titan, flame cannon, melee prof, and champion

Yuzbasi with ranged prof, sixth sense, and now gunslinger (i rolled a dogshit on the abilities chart) so ive alternated from hg flamer to sniper and now nades, rpg, dual pistols wearing alchemist armor, mask, helmet and a medkit

Alchemist with mw jezzail, hard as nails scavenger and friends in high places

Janny with point blank and hard as nails
Using hg and flame thrower + nades

Seige jezz w/ alch ammo and standard janny
Seige jezz w/ alch ammo and standard janny
Theres another janny here i forget what hes got
Golem with flamer, and three melee weapons paired with bull for a fireteam

Flamer azeb

Azeb with music
Azeb with jezzail and medkit
Azeb with jezzail alch ammo
Azeb thats blank due to ducat threshold

Azeb Jezzail alch ammo
Sniper rifle janny

>>96561595
Not much IS experience but I was under the impression assassins were very good. Older ruleset mayhaps?>>96562739
Really? I think it is one of the better models

>>96561595
actual list I'm shit at using 4chan text modifiers but basic jist

elites
yusbazi - sixth sense ranged prof gunslinger, alchemist armor
alchemist - hard as nails, scav friends in high places mw jezzail
bull - damascus melee prof champion from patron skill (sword of allah) flame cannon titan
janny - point blank hg flamer w/ alch ammo and grenades

infantry

golem - hivemind (bull), inhuman strength, human hands, additional arm flamethrower, Hammer, club, club

seige jezz janny 1 w/ standard armor
seige jezz janny 2 w/ standard armor

lion w/ fierce and armor
lion w/ fierce and armor

azeb w/ medkit and jezzail w/ alch
azeb that's musical
azeb with jezz and alch
azeb with flamethrower
azeb that's gonna run in and occupy melee with something then die because I had 25 ducats left over and I'm not sure what to do with it but a null activation in my playgroup sounds pretty useful.

just discovered this setting, looks very interesting to me
is there any art on the papal intervention forces? kinda feel like doing some, but googling only brings up some custom minis
also, what other groups or entities are lacking in artwork so far?

>>96562760
>I think it is one of the better models
It makes sense in every small stage to me, but just overall it feels weird.
Hence, going for the armour modeler/ tank plate look here.

>>96560964
Sorry NO AP for us dude. It fucking sucks

>>96562760
Assassins are honestly over costed right now. 95 without gear, gets no bonus to dash, doesn't ignore offhand penalty, and affected by fear. Kind of a joke. Too bad i think they're the coolest thing ever so I play Fida'i mostly but i own the whole sultanate range. I won today vs Black grail.

>>96564015
There's really not that much artwork for the factions at large. All the vanilla mini's have art but in the rule book and the lore blurbs, there's really not THAT much art especially if you're used to most other mini games. It's like 2 maybe 3 guys total doing it. Mike, John blanche (commissioned) and maybe 1 other guy who gets commisioned.

Fida'i/IS anon here who posts games weekly. This weeks was again vs BG and he came packing. Thankfully I won off objectives and kited his lord of tumor and instead of using the markers for killing i just kept blowing them to make him fail his dashes.

>>96564621
My grail player has amr plague knight woth far shot and another skill, a sprinter, strength of samson, surgical strike lord of tumors, and a heavy shotgun plague knight with two skills that i forget. How likely am i to die >>96562759 list rundown.

>>96564652
This guy was packing an AMR plague knight too, and one with shotgun, shield, and a blasphemous staff which gives him +1 to the black shield roll which is fucked up.

Does your bull have Flame cannon? Also not running like 3 azebs with flamethrowers is gonna suck hard man. Your alchemist, golem, and bull will do fine assuming they don't get intercepted. Otherwise you're kinda boned. Your dudes are gonna be AT BEST straight roll to injure which sucks. Music azeb doesn't seem useful at all. Strategy will likely play a huge role and the mission. Good luck anon. Vanilla IS is fucking dogwater one of the worst factions right now easily. Yuzbasi fucking sucks comparatively to about eveyr other leader in the game.

>>96564670
I have a flame cannon and 3 flame thrower

Janny hg gun plus flamer since i can shoot, charge, be in melee and flame for 0 instead of -1

Golem and bull have flamethrower and flame cannon with fire team

Azeb flame thrower to round out

Also please buff bazi to be elite and tough and let them stack for the love of god he does nothing

>>96564687
>please buff bazi to be elite and tough
I don't know what you mean by this.
Also I see, i miscounted your flamethrowers, i jsut throw them on azebs because disposable and Bazi better doing like sniper/siege memes. Just wish we had AP outside of crappy flamers and the bull cannon.

>>96564705
I want his ability to do elites and tough units so it works on more than 2 idiots a game and he can be a priority/ elite fighter

>>96564714
OH you meant his ability I see. I thought you meant for him to have them. Yeah, maybe stacking would be kinda nuts. Doesn't help IS has possibly the worst armory in the game, Alchemical ammo is really doing so much heavy lifting it's stupid.

>>96564717
Fr
Buff alaybozan, give it a flat +1 or something cause it's a worse grenade
Give kilij +2 or something its so ass for 2 glory
Add mercenaries
Make counter charge an actual ability
Incendiary grenade elite only and lower price
Add Incendiary ammo hell on alch that makes a 3 keyword shot for 1 pistol or a sniper rifle only at this point, but even then more room for resists to work or more reason for opponents to buy gas masks or helmets
Add a bull shield because defenders have it pls i want it for bull it sounds funny with cloak
Make sapper mines mine tokens and nit be wet noodles
Hell add a 1 handed jezzail

Last shot I got of my Assassin dueling a plague knight while my Azeb snuck off.

>>96564764
Dooope, i have some azebs printed vut not enough time for printing much else as of late (also make halberd gun more than a bolt action with assault + polearm)

>>96564778
haha halberd gun is so bad. It's like the best value gun because it's a club+jezzail+assault and can take alchemical with 24" range. But it's like seeing a candy bar you don't really like 50% off at the store. You might grab it but not cuz you like it, but it's just enough value it might be worth it for now.

I'm almost done painting all of my IS that i will reasonably field between vanilla and fida'i lists. I still have spare HoW stuff and fuck defenders. I'm printing/working on my KoA next getting them printed up. Unfortunately my fancy Annointed/special prints aren't done yet but i have these.

>>96564820
I got like 3 azebs out of the list i want to print as im still new to printing, and trying to get a 900/8 glory red brigade list printed. But yeah if HGs best use is as a gun with a flamer its weird. Give it like a risky armor pierce / increased attack or make it reverse grail shield where you shoot in melee / disarm the enemy when an opponent attacks if you succeed an action

There's a documentary by Jon Heder (Napoleon Dynamite) on grim dark miniature wargaming and settings and stories coming out in the next few days, it's called "The Grim & The Dark". Trench Crusade is in it, and at least Tuomas Pirinen is (and John Blanche too), are interviewed in it. Hopefully someone uploads it to a yarrharr site and it's worth watching.

>>96564820
>haha halberd gun is so bad
Bruh, I learned that the hard way. I was hyped to get in to fisticuffs with my Yuzi, and he got stomped out by a fucking Anointed!
Now, granted, Dice God had His say, but watching my leader (who died for good btw) get his face rocked off in CC by a unit that wasn't another leader was... sobering, I think is the best word.
IS leans hard on a handful of tricks, but is clearly the weakest army. I'd change up my units were I not dedicated to the concept, but I can see I banked on the wrong horse.
Happens, tho. Rocking 3 skirmishers has won me games on sheer objectives more than once, albeit I lose the punch up.

>>96565832
I haven't done any IS stuff, but I've heard that they REALLY want to keep enemies at range. Cheese is their game.

>>96565943
They are a gunline army, although I have a closequarters core that my shooty guys maneuver around.

>>96565832
They're a gunline and if you always play at unit cap they're damned lethal at it as well.
Sure 9 doods with jezzail+alch ammo is boring from a play perspective but it's a lot of models and +dice shots to chew through. Give a couple of them skirmisher+flamer and now you can effectively leverage the stray blood on all of your opponents models and maybe possibly not get killed on the first melee.
What this doesn't ever let you do is have really cool centerpiece models unfortunately, and that sucks (except maybe for glory). And assassins get a big rule of cool tax

>>96566887
My local Iron Sultanate player makes heavy use of the Lions of Jabir. They were pretty useful in helping him lock down the center of the board.

Not sure if it’s worth giving up all of the jezzails + alchemical ammo though.

Combat Biologist mercenary rules and some lore is out. pdf is in the Additional Warbands and Mercs folder in the mega.

>>96567586
The biologist is sick and fits my tastes well. Shame I have little to no interest in the Sultanate or Antioch.

>>96553854
What kits have you used to make these brother?

How many of you are drawn to trench crusade because of its goofy writing that is based on irl things?

>>96568698
I was drawn to it by the art, I jumped on board when I saw the mordheim guy was making the rules, I really liked that game.

>>96568698
I'd say the lore/history is like 15% of my enjoyment. It's refreshing that it's not another just scifi/fantasy game and not a historical. I'm more into it because the models, art, and gameplay fucking rule. It's mordheim 2 in every way except its not locked in GW basement. It will take some refinement but the cost of entry is so low and its designed around campaigns and not "crusades" which are just glorified escalation leagues.

Also mailfaux just got too "lolsorandom" for me and they put way too much into their wargame. I really hope TC doesn't fall into that pitfall.

>>96568698
I was drawn in by the art then the lore.

>>96569395
If you say so, he shouldve just did what he did with KCD2 for TC.

>>96568698
IRL catholic here. I was definitely pulled in by the idea of a war game set during Armageddon. Ended up staying for the ruleset, which I am loving so far.

The theology of the setting alternates between being thought-provoking and downright stupid, mostly (unfortunately) landing on the latter. The worst offenders are stuff like the death commando’s Tartarus claws being SO UNHOLY THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY DAMN ANYONE THEY TOUCH.

There’s huge potential here and I hope they do a rewrite for the final version.

>>96567586
Combat Biologist is up on the Companion.
I knew adding this data tag to stuff would come in handy some day.

>>96570085
>SO UNHOLY THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY DAMN ANYONE THEY TOUCH
While it brings nice horror element, its not official lore. It is headcanon by Scannerbarkley, or some other youtuber.

>>96570126
Thank you companionanon, glad that your scalability paranoia paid off. I love it when I'm proven right about such things at work desu

>>96568698
Follow up question, how do you guys all feel about the official lore being that there isn't really official lore (as per the devs's statements)? I'm kind of okay with it, but I think they've gone too extreme in the "no canon, just a setting" direction

>>96571199
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Anything in the rule books and the lore pages on thr website should be considered entirely canonical. Anything outside of that unless co-opted like red brigade should be treated as homebrew/fanfic which should be encouraged. I'm glad we don't have like named characters outside historical or faxtion leaders that will never be on the table. Leaves the space for /your dudes/ and they don't matter. Hero hammer has soiled so much of the current GW ganes

>stl links are now on the lore pages
Very convenient and smart, thank you

>>96571199
pure nonsense, that started in 40k by formers writers hating the fanbase.
We know its not true because multiple times they have clarified canon.
Its fine to have canon and then fan canon creations, but to claim there is no canon is your licensed ip is just less than truthful

>>96571300
Mouth of the developers at their adepticon 2025 presentation isn't enough for you? I am quoting verbatim anon

>>96571346
FYI I have 3 warbands and am an original backer of the project

>>96571351
OK cool I also spent 16 dollars in resin on the game. Not sure what you're trying to prove here.
>>96571199
Also I think your autism is taking this too literally if you are exactly repeating what they said. They put out lore blurbs and have it all collected on their own website. That makes no sense.

>>96571199
anti-lore/canon fags need to gtfo of my hobby

>>96571374
They might be referring to the fact that they've mentioned some information - and most of the lore - is written from an in-character perspective.

So it should be looked at the same way we look at any historical source - assuming there is some bias involved.

>>96571508
>the 40k unreliable narrator meme
please stop

>>96571515
I wasn't that anon, just saying its been said once or twice.

Personally I think its just something they say in case they need to retcon something or if they contradict themselves.

>>96571199
>how do you guys all feel about the official lore being that there isn't really official lore
the official website has a giant encyclopedia of lore articles that they're actively adding to?

>>96568817
>scifi/fantasy game and not a historical
i like it because it's all these things. Its fantasy alt-history and even a bit scifi

i'm happy the rumours are true and asia and nth america will be touched on and they ignored the weird stupid people saying that stuff was off limits.
Its a world war between humanity and hell for meta-christ's sake

>>96571515
>40k invented unreliable narrator

>>96571838
its more the insistence that every bit of narrated lore is unreliable, which isnt an actual thing. So no the point isnt that 40k invented it retard. It's the idea that all lore is that

>>96571816
I'd prefer them to make appearances through mercenaries. Zoroastrians might be really interesting though, and that's close by.
Imo the eurocentrism of the setting also keeps you thinking more about individual towns and cities. Like that dark spot at venice wouldn't nearly be as intimidating if the entire world was mapped.
Though that's mostly an aesthetic consideration.
My main question is how the hell they found time to colonize america if it's been nonstop war with demons for the past few hundred years? Would it just be Aztecs and natives over there?

>>96567586
Guild navigator lookin' ass.
Neat model, but effectiveness in melee seems low. They're a bit squishy and the weapon isn't going to do much.

>>96570085
>Christcuck filtered by kino
Many Such Cases

>>96571515
>fa/tg/uy can only conceive of narrative elements through the lens of 40k

>>96570085
>Tartarus claws being SO UNHOLY THAT THEY IMMEDIATELY DAMN ANYONE THEY TOUCH.
That might actually just be a fear tactic from hell, especially caused by The Day Hope Died. In game, you can have a Trench Pilgrim get killed by a Death Commando's claws, but next game you can still revive him and fight the forces of hell again.

>>96572051
stop repeating yourself retard, you were wrong the first time

>>96572279
>everyone who calls out my idiocy is 1 person

>>96571868
We are talking about a setting where they have aircraft and a space program, literally impossible for nth america to not be discovered and colonised.
It'd make sense to if a large part of the world is fubar'd or fighting off hell, that you'd want to colonise a sanctuary away from it.

>>96572293
you are the idiot, the point wasnt 40k. The point was secondary newfags buying into the unreliable narrator meme because idiots seethe at the imperium
You are an actual full blown idiot to not get the pojy

>>96572304
get the point*

>>96572304
>pojy

>>96572304
NTA but I like the pojy :(

>>96572313
>>96572315
retard

unreliable narrator is the single most retarded reddit meme pushed in 40k so unsurprising it's being pushed by the same idiots here.
Thats not even the point of a narrator, people need to sit literacy classes again

I feel like Pojy would be a good name for a Gryllus. The question is, would Pojy be faithful or a heretic?

>>96572349
stop seething you passive aggressive wimp

>>96572338
>unreliable narrator is the single most retarded reddit meme
My brother in Christ, the unreliable narrator is 90% of real world historical records.

>>96572353
Anon I'm not the person you were arguing with, I just like say Poyj and it makes me think of Pudge, which would be a great pet name.

HEY WASSUP FECES SMEARING FAGGOTS
HOW ARE YOU IN THIS FINE FUCKING DAY HUH?

>>96572357
you fucking idiot a narrator in the context of a fictional setting is an impartial observer telling you the facts. Unless indicated otherwise as in they are an individual within the setting giving a 1st person account.
This is common fucking sense you pseuds lack

>>96572383
>the Black Grail frat bros are here
oh no

>>96572398
An unreliable narrator in fiction world builds. So mad because you want to be spoonfed via loretubers.

>>96572462
You really are not understanding anything. Yes in fiction you can have an "unreliable narration" lets simplify it you can have a narrator that is lying. Thats what people mean. That is just one device that can be used for a short story.
Where you are being retarded is you are saying all narration even if its external to the setting and simply describing it to you is unreliable.

>>96572477
>Yes in fiction you can have an "unreliable narration"
Thank you for conceding your point and admitting you were wrong. It takes a lot to do that.

>>96572487
No, you are wrong and low iq. The entire reason this retarded meme exists is Tau fags seething at Imperium fans. Then trying to claim the Codex lore is "unreliable" even though it isn't presented as being from within the setting.

>>96572487
The point is retard not all narration is unreliable. You fucking illiterate cretin

>>96572495
>>96572500
>admit you were wrong
>immediate change and pretend you were right, spam replies
40k and it's consequences have been a disaster.

>>96572515
Just stop autist. An external narrator like TC lore is presented is reliable. its not from within the setting so has no bias.
You are imbecilic

>>96572526
Sure it is lil buddy. Sure it is.

>>96572531
i accept your concession autist scumbag

>>96572563
faggot white boy

>>96572279
Different anon, schizo-kun. Meds now

>>96572304
>pojy
I accept your concession

>>96572657
>>96572663
stop trying so hard and fuck off back to bluesky

>>96572338
You have never taken a literature course if you think unreliable narrators aren't deployed effectively in literature all the time

>>96572477
>People having personal biases or being ignorant is the same as lying
You have a literal child's understanding of concepts. Also,
>Yes in fiction you can have an "unreliable narration"
I accept your concession

>>96572679
You are a FAGGOT and a stupid one too, go get cancelled

>>96572693
you lost the argument posts ago accept it autist and stfu
You tried to push your pov from the 40k fandom and got laughed at.
Its over

>>96572704
you lost, the TC lore is not unreliable narration. Its canonical.
Cry about it you fragile little cunt

>>96572709
You
lost
stop
coping

No one agrees with you

>>96572716
Keep posting it and maybe your delusions will come true! Or is that just what the reliable narrator in your head told you? I'm sure you trust all voices you hear

>>96572721
>all narration is unreliable
like saying all swans are white. Its a logical fallacy and you have dunning-kruger.
Unreliable narration only applies to the 1st person, not the author.
You are and will always be a retard.

>>96572752
You are so desperate for validation of the voices being true it's honestly a bit sad. Oh well. Have a good night, schizo-kun! I'm sure we'll see you shitting up these threads plenty when you get bored jerking off to space marines. Try to be less easily baited

>>96572690
>cancelled
Oh no it's actually retarded the poor thing

This game needs some kind of Necromancer/summoner. Or more accurately, I need this game to have some kind of Necromancer/Summoner. How am I supposed to play a miniature game if there's no Necromancer?

>>96539829 (OP)
>TQ
The last thing I painted was a kitbashed model I'm very content with, and a couple of flamer fellas.
I don't have anything more to paint for a while, so I'll probably move on back to painting 40K for the foreseeable future.

>>96552054
They are just arguably bad, I am not sure why they decided to make them a playable subfaction. They should have given Eire and the scots the same subfaction/rules and let that be that.

>>96568698
I was first fond of the art, then realised how easy the game is to get into and fell in love with the lore and rpg-focused campaign.
>>96571199
It feels like future retcon cope, like "down the line we're definitely forgetting wtf we said earlier, and once we do that's because uhhmmm unreliable narrator!!"

Does anyone have the STL files for the warbands? I checked some stuff like share groups and a few p2p places but, I can't find anything good.

Is there a convenient place for me to look at all the art?

A new day has begun and we can move back to regularly scheduled slow discussion. How are my fellow trenches today? Any goals for the weekend hobby wise? Hoping to finish up all my IS this weekend but my Saturday is gonna be taken up by pathfinder 1e campaign.

After that I'm moving on to Knights of Avarice.

>>96573594
Mike Franchina's art Station I think has like 90% of it. They did commission John Blanche to do a few pieces and another guy I think. The lore blurbs and the rule books have all the art.

>>96573606
Thanks.

>>96570225
Just checked the rulebook, I stand corrected.

No idea where I pulled that out of my ass from.

>>96573833
I've heard the same, I think some loretuber put his own spin into things. Which is okay, its just the community interacting with the material and the each other. Although I dislike it when in a ip like TC or Dark Souls people don't fill the purposely left gaps in the story by themselves, but take loretuber's version as canon. Even when I know that established fancanon will happen, sooner or later.

>>96573597
I have to update my Naval Heretic list to continue slogging through a campaign. I kind of hate Naval Heretics at this point, the things you get don't feel worth what you give up.

A friend and I are trying out Trench Crusade. I love the art of the artillery witch and want to make a warband focused around her. Assuming I just use the starting 700 ducets what would be the way to focus on using the witch?

>>96574212
Please go in to detail.
I had heard Naval was, in theory, a strong list. I would value your experience.

I don't care much about Trench Crusade.
Have they released the Crusader Knights yet? That's the only interesting thing, in my opinion.

>>96575390
Knigga just play historicals.

>>96575411
Since when do historical games have genetically modified super soldiers?

>>96575546
So you just want to read about super soldier crusaders but have no interest in the setting besides that? Warhammer 40k still exists, the setting seems to be really trying not to fall into having its own "space marines" that everything just gravitates around and ignores everything else, seems they are distinctly lacking in information so as to not overshadow everything else in the setting
>theres like 4 left
>they are huge
>they are ancient
>they just wander the world now
>were results of metachrist programme that was a success, but could not be replicated
Thats all we have, I suspect they will show up as a mercenary or objective reward at some point.

Hey anons, I'm a casual trencher here, I enjoy the lore and liking looking at the models, I own a few I bought of ebay etc
Are there any plastic kits that are must buys for kitbashing? I don't want to have to get a new 3D printer after my old one died.
I'm sure as hell not buying these: https://wargamesatlantic.com/products/trench-missionaries

>>96553840
>The Papal intervention force
That is a REALLY cool use of a Sacrosanct.

>>96575663
I think he means the penitant crusader orders. The ones that literally burst into flames if they commit a sin after the first crusade opened the hellgate.
You're referring to the Paladins. Much different.

>>96575805
>>96553840
That bit about the e Papal intervention force wasn't mean to be there, my bad.

>>96575747
Wargames atlantic WW1 stuff if you dont know model ranges and just want to start making stuff. Like you can get bolt action germans/americans for trench coats and I see a lot of people using perry miniatures stuff. If you dont know model ranges just go on ebay and find a store that sells sprues and look through different eras and see if anything stands out. For more monsterous factions youll have to get creative.

>>96575747
generally a mixture of other WW1 stuff and WH will set you up just fine.

>>96574539
I'm rolling like shit and my opponents are rolling really well. Also being restricted from almost all models bigger than a breadbox, I'm getting kind of tired of facing down three or more tough strong models every game that shit on me for daring to spend ducats on armor. The extra dash die is fun I guess.
>just focus them down with smgs, witches, and anti tank rifles on the one guy you get that can use them well
I'm trying man.

>>96577345
>being restricted from almost all models bigger than a breadbox, I'm getting kind of tired of facing down three or more tough strong models every game that shit on me for daring to spend ducats on armor.
That's also my experience as well. Once the campaign gets up past 1000 points naval raiders really start struggling due to a significant lack of heavies. And you really don't have significant answers to your opponents heavies accordingly. You either get an infiltrating heavy flamer to kill things OR the AMR, and your grenade launchers and witch are stuck in the back of the map vulnerable to your opponents infiltrators
Early in a campaign they're hell on wheels though.
Once the games get going the best subfaction for heretics is easily is standard. 2 witches, war wolf, 5 anointed is crazy strong. But their standard trooper really is just a guy with a flamer or a bolt action+bayo

>>96577345
I find in a campaign the best setup is to have your infiltrators together + making a witch an infiltrator.
And then you have an advance in your deployment zone with heavier units.
Note that death commandos deploying with 2 other guys with good Melee weapons (Hellblades are practically made for this) or with two SMG mooks make them retardedly deadly.

Your objective at all times should be to start as many little fires as possible to split up your opponent's attacks. Once units start getting focused down, it's very easy to take heavy losses.
Also, taking mammon as your Patron is key to this, as unsecured loans/being able to cock die once per battle can tilt what would be a mid swarmer warband into something truly annoying to death with.

>>96577900
I'm partial to infiltrating flamers over SMG's myself because if you take out a heavy early things can quickly swing in your favor. But i do largely think having more heavies later in a campaign is still better on the whole than extra infiltrators and insane movement

>>96577900
As is I think the warband is a pretty negative experience for someone who wasn't familiar with the 'right' way to build them in a campaign context before even touching the dice. Maybe I'm just bouncing off the game/warband/both? due to just having piss luck against a bunch of guys on miracle runs decked out in all kinds of flash gear and cool skills (everyone else keeps flaunting all these exploration die modifications while I've been stuck with a single reroll the whole time - which has only ever rerolled to the exact same number somehow. I have been to the black market three consecutive times.) while I've managed to accidentally create an artillery witch with point blank through a series of particularly gruesome losses and strange events therein. Maybe I'm just the most unlucky guy to ever do it, but the Blood Bowl player in me is going to see it through.

>>96539829 (OP)
Is it more Trench, or more Crusade?

>>96575747
To simplify stuff, WGA has plastic WW1/WW2, medieval, and sci-fi stuff kitbashing, so you can save on shipping from ordering from the same location. Their Iron Core makes for good machine armour bases.

Additionally/Alternatively for plastics, Perry Miniatures medieval stuff (knights in particular), Northstar Miniatures has Cultist kits which work well (their Frostgrave and some of the Stargrave lines might be useful too), and maybe some of the Warlord Games stuff (I'm personally unfamiliar with their kits, but they have medieval and WW2 stuff and some Weird War 2 stuff in their Konflikt 47 line).

Also, Reaper Miniatures. It's PVC plastic, but it's cheap as tits so you can pick up and chop up a monster or two without breaking the bank.

How did such an awesome setting end up with such horrifically lefty fans?

Genuinely hope they will do plastic kits and expand the range of models, so tired of 40k piggies dominating it

>>96580789
>>>/pol/
And stay there

>>96580948
>Genuinely hope they will do plastic kits and expand the range of models
They're working on molds right now if they're not already done, and in the Nova presentation they went over the range expansions for The Great Hunger, the official models for the Goetic Warlock, the Mamluk Faris, and a Polish Cavalryman
>so tired of 40k piggies dominating it
This is a full retard take, TC while something I enjoy, won't overtake 40k because it's the normie trap. That's a good thing because it filters out most of the trash before it ruins the rest of the spaces. Let the retards enjoy their slop, it makes things better for the rest of us to never have to deal with them

>>96576343
>>96577136
>>96580316
Thanks for the info anons, looking forward to kitbashing

>>96580316
This reminds me how my buddy taught me how to make turbans with tape. Makes it real easy to kitbash IS models, but still keep the table recognizable turbans despite the model origin.
I actually used WW1 German model heads with gasmasks, trimmed the helmet edges, and wrapped it in tape.
Easy pease gasmasks for IS models for your WYSIWYG purposes.

>>96581082
>because it's the normie trap. That's a good thing because it filters out most of the trash before it ruins the rest of the spaces
You know what, based actually
If anything, Arch was a good example of why TC needs to be gatekept HARD

>>96568358
Bodies are from Victoria miniature rasenburg regiment, armor, swords and helmets are Perry miniature Foot knights, guns and the engineer are from the british WW1 infantry from Wargame Atlantic
I'll get back to my TC stuff after my last 40k models are painted.