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Tremendous edition

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>Legacies:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/2.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
What would you want from a Journal that focuses on your legion?

>>96570495 (OP)
where's the horse?

>>96570506
All horseposters must hang.

>>96570506
died, remember?

>>96570506
Ask ur mum

>>96570495 (OP)

>TQ

A plastic Warhound titan with all the weapons options we have in AT for 28mm scale.

>In b4 everyone who knows their titan legion can only be 2nd best at most says fuck the Death's Heads lol

>>96570495 (OP)
>TQ

>Dream journal

AL journal:
Omegon
Inigo Pech
wider access to banestrike, we fucking invented it (a variant to put on a Contemptor would be extremely cool).
A proper human operative unit (being either a squad or just a dude that functions like an apothecary and attaches to a marine squad) of infiltrating mix-and-match special weapons dudes that can tag along with an HQ and be ablative wounds or have special interactions with objectives. Bonus points if you get "utility" special weapons that focus on slowing/trapping enemies or messing with their mental stats.
A different legion trait that functions more like the Mutable Tactics of 1.0.

>What I expect to get
New power sword variant, a squad of infiltrating meltas except the meltas are strength 6 and cost twice as much as a regular hss

>>96570313
>what I'd like
Basically Gal Vorbak in Terminator Armor: Take Saturnine Command Squad, M6" and S5 base, lock into Warpfire Plasma Bombard and Tainted Fist, lock squad size at exactly 3, add Malefic, Fear (1), and FNP 5+, Tainted Fist is saturnine fist with phage (S) and impact(A), warpfire plasma bombards lose maximal profile and get breaching 5+, shred 6+, pinning (1) on the sustained profile, 300 points
>what I expect
Saturnine but Spooky: Take Base Saturnine, lock into saturnine fists and warpfire plasma bombard, add malefic and fear (1), warpfire plasma bombards lose maximal profile and get breaching 5+, shred 6+ on the sustained profile, 250 points for 3, +80ppm up to 6
>what GW will do
Saturnine but shittier: Saturnine, lock into saturnine fists and warpfire plasma bombard, lock at exactly 3 models, add malefic, warpfire plasma bombards lose sustained profile and get shred 6+ but lose barrage on the maximal profile, 350 points

>>96570495 (OP)
>TQ:
I'm a world eater fan, give me back the apothecary rules from 1st edition. Melee is so shit this edition that we really could use the extra attacks.

Play Titanicus

>>96570590
>lock squad size at exactly 3
why?
>FNP 5+
jesus that's pretty unkillable
>phage (s)
Are you planning on fighting primarchs?

>>96570495 (OP)
>tq
More demonic shit for word bearers. I’d also want a more generic trait, like maybe something that supports massed infantry better since the wb legion is massive

>>96570747
Of all the gripes about word bearers, isn't their trait already pretty good for mass infantry? Having a bonus vexilla in every squad is pretty good forcing combat wins

>>96570747
If we're giving them a hereticus trait, I'd love it to be something that interacts with malefic. Maybe malefic units get fnp vs the wounds they get from failed statuses? Or they treat the d3 roll as a 1 when they fail a the test?

>>96570690
I wish people at my LGS didn’t drop it for LIgma

>>96570590
>lock it at 3 models
>when james could sell you two kits instead
>when the saturning command squad is already fucking jacked at six
we'll see, but, idk

>>96570833
People at my local dropped LIgma in favor of it.

>TQ
Rules and models for Forrix and Volk Sa'ra'am
Revised rules for shrapnel rounds because the ones in the legacy PDF are fucking garbage
Rules for a Warsmith in Saturnine
Legion breacher and destroyer units

>>96571147
>Forrix and Volk Sa'ra'am
Who?

>>96571147
>Exposing the fleshy vegetable state marine so even a lasgun can stop the cuntemptor
Of course it's IW

>>96571147
Holy shit that looks like ass please tell me that's not actually a real character in the lore

>>96571182
Nta but IW 1st cap and 1st obliterator. They are a big deal in the boys love novels.

>>96571147
I'm glad someone scooped him off the floor and put him into another dreadnought

>>96571238
so they're totally irrelevant. Got it.

>>96571263
How new?

>>96568334

I'm probably going to season them in. They're worse allies for my Alpha Legion or Mechanicum than Solar Aux are, because AL auxilia have an incredible reaction for keeping AL's elite and squishy headhunters and seekers safe, but I like the idea of a small allied det that's just a Discipline Master, his division of artillery and maybe a cheap troop squad or two to stand on points. Under 400pts for a good amount of shooting, albeit shooting that will disintegrate very quickly if Barraged in return, and my Mech would appreciate some Line 1, Infil (18) chumps to run forwards and eat the first round of pain on the centreline objectives.

>>96571274
They sound pretty new.

>>96571281
Forrix has been a thing since 2002, has appeared in most of the important IW hh battles and becomes the de-facto leader of the iron warriors for 10k years post heresy. Again, how new are you?

>>96571294
Not as new as that chump

>>96571311
That's a rather pitful attempt, anon.

>>96571323
And yet

>>96571341
And yet?

>>96570495 (OP)

Mechanicum isn't a Legion, but I just want my jump pack magi back, presumably in their own datasheet. It would also be nice to have some kind of infiltrating picket unit to run with Arcuitors, maybe a sneakier Vorax with different weapons. I'd also like a set of Expendable recon drones like the old Cyber-Occularis, they were fun. 0-1 choice, pathetic statline and Heedless, smallish bubble of no-infiltrate/guide artillery fire and Infil (18), spread 2-4 of them around the board.

Not necessarily 30k related, but my terrain Kickstarter came in. Maybe now I'll paint some of my sector mechanicus stuff for home games

>>96570495 (OP)
TQ: Give World Eaters back their Apothecary rules from 1st edition. They were great and with how annoyingly bad assault is in this edition, the extra attacks would be pretty impactful.

Also give back the Cortus Contemptor, I loved those guys, even when I got them killed I still had fun with them.

>>96571353
Indeed

>>96570495 (OP)
>What would you want from a Journal that focuses on your legion?
Dark Angels

another dedicated war crimes unit to go in the Dreadwing detachment

Venerable Dreadnought upgrade for BS/WS 5 since they probably had the oldest dreads

an actual legion trait that has an effect on the average game

>>96571541
is that L shaped terrain
AAAAAAAAA SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>want to get another 2 boxes of skitarii for use as militia grenadiers
>look at ebay for the 15% discount
>page after page of people selling half painted models for dirt cheap
I don't know if it'd be more depressing if these were all waacfags who sold them for the next flavor of the month army or genuine mech players who couldn't take the abuse anymore

>>96571541
Is it paint paint or just printed?

>Wanted a single scarab occult crest for a centurion
>get the worst option out of a blind buy off ebay
damn

Two more days until we can see if the fellblade has a full bottom or not.

>>96572314
2 days to see if GW just wants word bearers to buy more DLC journals or if the designers really just fucking hate them in particular

>>96572505
Have faith, Word Bearer.

>>96572505
Yoy dont even have to buy it, the unit profile (and probably whole book) will be online before you can even buy it

>>96571829
What did we learn?

Would the model on the right be an acceptable proxy for a Cataphractii Praetor in some legions? I imagine shaving the Crux Terminatus off is a given, but yeah.

>>96571794
The paint is printed on, it looks decent enough to get the job done for having some terrain for at home games.

/tg/ help.
In can't decide what to get when my salary drops: a Baneblade for my militia, or a fancy high res rubber battle mat to be able to host some games at home.

>>96573003
Get the battle mat.

>>96570495 (OP)
>What would you want from a Journal that focuses on your legion?
Bespoke primus medicae rules for EC are a must.

>>96571142
How lucky

>>96570495 (OP)
>What would you want from a Journal that focuses on your legion?
Some kind of autocannon focused unit for the 4th.

Sell me on Iron Warriors not just in terms of gameplay but their role in the lore as well.
I have a few ongoing Marines projects with two of them being a Traitor army for 30k and a CSM army for 40k. Currently, I'm leaning towards WB for 30k and IW for 40k but I start to think that I should swap them perhaps.
>inb4 just build one army and use it for both games
I have a big collection of pre-8th edition CSM minis and I really want to give them some love but they simply don't fit 30k imo so I want to run two separate projects. They can share Daemons at least.

>>96571142

I sincerely doubt that.

>>96570552

Don't Mortis lose to Ignatum in the end? Who refused to die when the entire planet of Mars betrayed them? And who ended up as the last Titans standing once the siege is over, with Mortis forced to slink back to the Eye to become sockpuppets for Nurgle?

>>96570833
>>96571142

The one thing Ligma has done for Titanicus players, is give them something to tell Knight Household players to fuck off back to.
And thank fuck for that. Fuck Knight lists in Titanicus, as a support or combined arms option, sure. But a whole list? Fuck off.

>>96573331
Iron Warriors are a workhorse legion of pragmatists where things never got better for the average marine but simply worse, basically the closest one to operating like the Imperial Army. They did carry a lot of the traitor war effort, but a long history of mistreatment made fragments of them also defect to the loyalist cause, and even had a good deal of success there. They're popular over here because 30k plays much better into their shtick, seeing that a shitload of vehicles and artillery options 40k will never let them have outside of Legends. Granted, much of those are core to all legions anyway, but it's fluffy and still less anemic than CSM.

Hope you don't mind the lack of Obliterators, but the unique units let you field missile Terminators and big robot bodyguards. For WB, you could get away with using regular CSM Legionaries as veteran or other elite squads to some extent.

How many direct hit faces are meant to be on a a scatter die? I have two in my house and they both have two on them.

>>96572314
I have one, It does

>>96573575
did you cut yourself anon

>>96573583
I am a clumsy modeller. Hopefully, it will appease the machine spirit.

>>96572953
Would be cool for Iron Warriors.
I miss Moloc

>>96573602
I imagine it could also work for AL, maybe without the shield for the latter and using the alternate breastplate. In any case, think I'll put more faith in the slavs than FW in quality control, especially if it's gonna be sent to the ass end of the planet.

>>96573003
don't look back man

Skaven Militia?

>>96570523
Wrong horse.

>>96573506
two, sort of like occupying the 1 and 6, opposite each other
the other four are all arrows sharing the same orientation but subject to randomness via throw

>>96570495 (OP)
>TQ
If they won't give me back Rampager jump packs in Legacies, then give them back in a journal, I guess. Just as long as I can have my guys back. Literally the only jump pack legion exclusive to lose their packs and not get them back.

I guess rules making Sons of Bodt not the most worthless detachment in the game would help too. So sure, the apothecary rules from 1e or something.

If I convert them up to look more like the classic miniatures, would you object to seeing Wulfen on the battlefield?

>>96573718
ok how

>>96573759
>Sons of Bodt
>free Elites slots with your Prime Apothecaries
>worthless

why are you like this

>>96573898
ok but what does a Prime Apothecary do? Logistical Benefit?

>>96573851
What are you using them as?
I have 10 stashed away somewhere...

>>96573898
Compare to the SoH detachment, for example, which doesn't have a points tax to get any useful slots at all.

>>96561755
time's up anon

>>96571541
Jesus h this is grim

>>96573969
@FBI @KashPatel @Nintendo DELETE THIS

>>96573969
I don’t know how good this is. But why does it seem like the rules for 3.0 are an afterthought? It’s like any creativity they had just left their bodies.

>>96573984
Because they saw how well 2.0 sold compared to late 1.0 so they went even deeper in that direction. Speed over quality.

>>96573851
Wulfens are mentioned by name and shown in art.

>>96573969
Fucking hell
Deepstrike without a praetor and EW on the saturnine command squad is brutal
And they just cost the same points without being retinue?
What the actual fuck?

>>96573969
also have this for all two TS fans here

>>96573984
It seems that way cuz you still haven't read the rules in favor of just bitching about them

>>96574054
Saturnine Centurion where?

>>96574054
wtf that's also really good

>>96573969

I like it - WS5 eternal warrior 1 tanky dudes that can teleport on their own and are a pain to remove.

.

>>96574061
here you go

>>96574087
neat, thanks

>>96574087
Do you have the new detachments please?

>>96574087
>no options beyond standard saturnine, except a plasma blaster
??

>>96574147
sure

>>96574087
An HQ fully armed with heavy weapons is pretty nice ngl
A bit silly that 2s to hit trigger overload but also hit tho

>>96574161
Thanks!

What about the fluff?

>>96574161
>tower defense detachment is real
Also, I guess the MOS with jump pack was in fact not pulled from a later journal, they were just future proofing it (and I suspect that this book was supposed to drop closer to legacies but leaks pushed either the launch and legacies forward, or the book back)

>>96574161
Ooops all terminators

>>96574161
>Specific terminator armour detachment
Huh
Didn't see that coming. It's kinda neat if you want to spam one of them
>MoS detachments spams the shit out of turrets
I thought the MoS had more to do with reserves than turrets desu

>>96574151
>Officer of the Line (2)

>>96574161
>Mono-armor Terminators + dreadnought detachment
>Tower defense detachment

>6 Phraetus Conclave with twin disintegrators and fists and a saturnine praetor with transponder and war axe
Is this unit horrendously expensive? Yes. Is it also a nightmare to remove? Also yes. Will I play it and gladly lose the game just for the fun of it? You betcha

>>96574199
Thats still standard Centurion

>>96574161
Retard here, I am not familiar with the detachment list-building yet. Does it mean I can field a legal Saturnine-only army now or do I have to field a Crusade Primary detachment and use *real* Troop units anyway?

>>96574227
>a saturnine praetor with transponder
Why tho
You can buy the trasnponder for the unit itself

>>96574250
...Anon either way it costs the same

>>96574248
The crusade primary detachment doesn't have any mandatory units
If you take only centurions and praetor in saturnine as your HQs and you take the heavy assault detachment you can fill an entire army with saturnine if that's what you want. This detachment is not even needed for that
You'd probably want some transports tho

>>96574256
The praetor is very much not free

>>96572993
Fair enough. If it was inexpensive, especially compared to the long way, id say that's a win.

overall more satisfied on rules than I expected. centurion is a big old nothing, nobody will use the sentry detachment, but the other detachment is great, WB made out like bandits, generic command squad helps everyone, and TS can finally be the only legion that actually wants disintegrators
GW could have done a lot worse with the writing. not remotely worth the price but that was a given

Honestly desu between the phraetus, the sat command squad with praetor, and the master of descent with an assault squad and 2 squads of assault veterans I'm planning to add, I think I might need to look at converting a master of signals

>>96574064
Compared to Stoneform I'm not sure. Saturnine guns are bad to begin with due to plasma and d guns being overload 2 base. This makes them normal/fine.

I am not a fan of the new attachments and shit
>Use crusade to get my despoiler + tactical
>2x tactical support auxiliary detachments to get my 2x heavy + 2x tactical support squads
>Shock assault detachment to get my terminators & Vetren cadre to get my land raider + vet tactical squad
>Have to drop one of my commanders to get another centurion to get a detachment that allows me to grab-deal a sicarian tank and dreadnoughts
Fuckin dumb idea also Im drunk

>>96574373
>MoD and MoS
Why though? Do you have outflank?

>>96574398
The master of signal doesn't help- you know what I'm dumb I forgot the strato vox also makes one unit deep strike reserve per turn guaranteed

>>96570495 (OP)
Rules for Nassir Amit

>>96574054
This is trash, actual trap pick tier. Plasma is resisted by their slowed shield already, Twin Disintigrators aren't worth the points, and you risk d3 wounds to heal 1.

>>96574423
Azkaellon getting rules feels more pressing.

Are you guys working on anything fun?
Post wips and models

Look at the pretty pictures.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oxvipx7n/assault-marines-take-flight-four-units-in-four-legions/https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/oxvipx7n/assault-marines-take-flight-four-units-in-four-legions/

New Militia box inbound.

>>96574483
>using plastislop krieg

>>96574475
Word bearers should be purple hued red not orange hued

>>96574486
>My army is RESIN
>If a unit I want gets a plastic release I DONT BUY them

>>96574475
Why do the new Mk II assault marines have a popped collar?

>>96574475
>>96574491
>No Night Lords
Don't @ me

>>96574504
Night lords are mkiv and mkvi coded

>>96574501
Cause it looks cool.

>>96574475
I want these for my WE but I'm not sure how to run them, as red hand destroyers or jump rampagers? I'm not sure mkII would look good in black either, might wait for Mark IV for that.

>>96574491
they've been painted orange hued since BaC

>>96574505
>MK4 coded
>Not Mk5 coded
Plastic Mk5 never ever

>>96574549
>Plastic Mk5 never ever
Good.
God fucking know what abomination they'd turn them into

>>96574172
I like them. They don't look very good, but aflame has nice synergy with the legion trait. You can probably do some fun stuff with the mantle if you kamikaze them into the middle of the enemy army

>We got martyrdom reaction, now we get suicide vest Saturnines
What is GW trying to say?

>>96574500
The only correct way to enjoy the hobby.

Would Warhammer be better off alternating the activations of individual units instead of having each whole army go at once?

>>96574579
>They don't look very good
>Saturnine Command squad with their own teleporter, EW and cost the same points

>>96574501
Because their pretty "Fly" (for a white guy).

Well, rather annoyingly with the addition of the phraetus my all terminator army is almost perfectly fillled...except for 20 points.

>>96574599
Any game that has no AA gets better whenever you house-rule it by default.

>>96574161
>Can finally get a Master Sergeant Terminator
Time to convert

Oh leak anon, any cool WB lore or color plates?

>>96574475
The White Scars look pretty good with the round shields.

>>96574579

They look pretty great to me, I just wish they went down to 2-man so I could run two huge demon bodyguards for my HQ. A max squad actually isn't absurdly expensive because they don't really need any weapon upgrades beyond the flamers, so 6 guys with dual fists and AP3 flamers is 465 before transport, or the same as 9 retinue Cataphractii with hammers. They have the same number of wounds, better guns and only 4 fewer attacks.

As you go lower in squad size then the Conclave becomes increasingly less efficient because the start-squad cost on the Conclave is so stupidly high, and they'll get chunked by Malefic statuses.

I wonder if the Disintegrators are actually worth it on these guys? EW(1) cuts the damage from overloads in half, and they can shoot them at no penalty when they deep strike, but they don't have FP(2) so they might be better off with +1A and the flamer.

>>96574054
Oh yes very very nice. This is a good expansion of the lore. Now I know what to call them, Osiraeans! Not just Numerologists

I miss getting new Exemplary Battles units.

>>96574666
i'll see what i can do

>>96574718
Isn't that pretty much what these Journal Tactica units are?

>>96574726
It's not the same because those aren't free!
Ignore all the images in this thread!

>>96574726
His point, if I were to be a betting man, is that that exemplary units were free and these technically are not and being sold in thin journals for what, $30-50? It reeks of corporate.

>>96574605
malefic

>>96574745
It's understandable, but it's pretty easy to get a hold of the rules without buying the journals. I would feel bad for anyone gaming at GW stores since I imagine they're dicks about it, but they're dicks about everything.

>>96574693
I'm sure twin fists and the flame is the most efficient option (especially since they don't have the occulis thing that let's them fire twice when still, not that they'd want to be)but I'm doing just twin disintegrators because I enjoy the idea of them dropping in, killing half a terminator squad with their shooting, then daring the enemy to shoot at them (risk spanking everyone nearby for damage) or charge them (take another round of volley fire disintegrators and have to fight WS5 T6 2+/4++ EW1 3W models)

>>96574780
Not like there's room to play in GW stores...

>>96574780
Where's the mystical GW store that isn't 2 tables where one is for tutorial scenarios and the other is for the free mini painting?

>>96574161
fukken lol

>>96574842
>take officer cadre
>5 master of signals
>30 tarantulas
>10 araknae

>>96574599
You would need an activation initiative equivalent and group activate for some armies. 30k/40k have such diverse units and can have a high volume. Players would immediately skew to lords of war, gun knights, etc to get max damage immediately. All while padding activations to make sure their scoring is met without resistance last. There is some skill expression in navigating it to be fair, but I postulate that it is too shallow without without other limits in place.

I wonder if Wraight has taken note of how Haley has characterized Guilliman in 40k and wrote this novel with the premise that Guilliman will eventually reconsider his actions from the Scouring era and conclude that he did everything wrong.

>>96574721
any lore pages on the creation of the armor?

Today I had my first ever game of HH, and obviously my first game of 3E. I was using IH and opponent was Mechanicum, 1000pts.
Some random observations from a noob:

> Scoring is everything. Probably obvious but if you aren't putting Line on objectives Turn 1, you're losing.
> Return Fire feels like a lot that I can just do to fuck up my opponents turn
> Blasts are awesome
> Dreadnought Plasma Cannons are extra awesome
> Battlesmith is awesome
> 18 Ursarax is intimidating but they don't respond well to Plasma

I had a good time and will definitely come back for more

>>96574721
ngl I wanna get the saturnine journal just for the lore

>>96574898
Damn, that's some accurate observations. Are you sure you're new? There's people in here that haven't figured shit like that out after years.

>>96574820

In melee they're actually kind of monsters with the twin fists, I ran some quick mathhhammer and they'll take approximately their points cost in Huscarls even after paying for deep strike. Min squad vs 5 huscarls narrowly loses, max squad vs 8 huscarls narrowly wins, and the Saturnine troopers actually have guns unlike their opposite numbers.

Inner Circle with the +1D against T6+ bonus absolutely rock their shit with thunder hammers, Custodes Aquilons pull out a narrow win due to superior Custodes initiative, I don't think anything other than those three or Guided Scyllax stand a chance at even points unless I've missed a rule somewher, and Scyllax aren't going to enjoy the AP3 flamers one bit.

that's a lot of saturnines

Ah hell. I forgot you can't make praetors malefic anymore, and thus phraetus can never be joined by them, that's why they can take teleportation transponders. Well i guess my phraetus will only ever be dropping solo in an army vanguard eith my gal vorbak

>>96574921
Calling heavy bullshit on this unless its the entire Salamander legions supply of saturnine termies then I believe it

>>96574921
Man I wish we would get more of this stuff.

and more lore blurbs

>>96574924
You can give them a Master Sergeant for basically a Praetor profile

>>96574557
>God fucking know what abomination they'd turn them into
This implies it isn't already a fuck ugly abomination

>>96574599
Alternating activations are gay
The games that use it are even gayer
The people who shill for it are the gayest of them all

>>96574921
>Eleven fucking dreadnoughts
>100 saturnine terminators
>In ONE section of the battlefield
>Salamanders still got trashed
Lmao. Perturbator probably stole all their armor too.

>>96574936
That's nice but I'd really like to have some rules for any of the shit you're alluding to.

Why are Iron Warriors so popular with the LGBTQIA community?

>>96574936
>Saturnine has some psychic nonsense going on
>TS involved in the development

Yeah, that tracks.

>>96574963
>Why are the autistic closeted homosexuals with daddy issues and inferiority complexes so popular with the autistic openly homosexuals with daddy issues and inferiority complexes???
Idk you tell me

>>96574936
Feels like they could have elaborated some more on the EC's disposition. Fulgrim was around from very early in the Great Crusade and was mentored by Horus for the first few years, so it would make sense that he got to see these suits be used in as large capacity as they ever were before Vulkan reintroduced them.

>>96574990
>inferiority complexes?
I meant victim complexes, apologies

>>96574936
I'm steadily agreeing more and more that Saturnine pilots had their limbs deliberately amputated

Damn. Now I kinda want to make a fancy saturnine centurion. I already got a siege tartaros squad.
Am I starting 3? I don't want this...

>>96574469
Rebasing 10 assaults to match the rest of my legion (they were the first squad I did for this particular project), then painting some characters and some autocannon HSS. Eventually I have to work up the will to paint my tanks.

>>96574963
>Large amounts of self-diagnosing of autism
>Meme lore of Iron Warriors being autistic
>Nearly other legion being meme lore'd into autism
I will rape and murder people who use autism as an excuse of their shitty behaviour's instead of having some self introspection
>t.autist

>>96575005
>apothecarion 'modifying' their own number to increasingly debased extremes
But they're just sonic shriekers, right? Also it's bananas that they still don't have their own apothecary consul upgrade with how often that crowd gets referenced, it's every time they appear in anything.

>>96574936
Dark Angels, White Scars, Space Wolves, Imperial Fists?

>>96574929

Exactly 100 Saturnine termies, 11 dreads. I'm obviously not sure how many Sectors they divided the battle up into, since they dropped three legions and the Traitor line was apparently about 100km long, but I'm going to make some wild fermi estimates and say that the Sallies took a third of the space, so 33km, and that the frontage occupied by a Marine legion on the attack is roughly the same as a WW2 assault, so about 3-4km per division. Say "one Sector per division" which is a fairly logical unit, and that's about 1000 Saturnine suits and 100 Sat dreads across the 83k Salamanders deployed there.

That seems like a lot, but they do specifiy that this is all the legion's stockpiles bar a fraction of "several squads", which is a rounding error here, and the Salamanders have way more Saturnine than anyone given Vulkan was the one spearheading the whole design effort and they didn't even get to widespread blueprint distribution until a few months before Istvaan. All the other blurbs here seem to indicate that 100 Saturnine is a huge number of suits.

>>96575065
>trying to sound smart on 4chins
>using math on /tg/

>>96575005
yup they're fucknuggets or at least could well be individual by individual
also the full fucking salamander saturnine company lmao god damn i thought my thirty one of them drawn from three separate assault groups and the high command's retinue section was absolutely retarded but i guess not ;^3

>>96574721
wait, does this mean SAturnine predates regular terminator armor? Wasn't Cataphractii developed post-Horus discovery?

>>96574921
We are going to probably get a version of Salamanders saturnine unit with shields and some other weapons etc. Neat.

>>96574936
I still don't get how Blood Angels defended their shitty sandbox for all those years when they had like one fortress in the whole system, with an undermanned garrison and no fleet, no natural resources or infrastructure conducive to a resilient war economy, and a Mechanicum delegation from a forge that was fighting a hot war against itself. The traitors can't have been trying very hard.

>>96575091
Standard Saturnine? Yes, the current model we have a Vulkan Remastered Edition

big word bearer boy
>>96575053
sorry, no can do right now, i sneaked pictures from the storage room while the manager wasn't looking

>>96574938
They're malefic so you can guide them with a nearby techpriest to make them WS6 and make the Master Sgt WS7.
Truly disgusting potential there, could eat up basically any melee unit in the game.

Now all you need is to add a malefic librarian with biomancy + thaumaturgy and buff these bad boys to truly ridiculous levels while having a 50% chance to revive any that die.

>>96575022
You play TS an you actually want to stay in 2.0?

>>96575112
>no chapter livery
>no tainted weapons
>no engraved constellations
>big Saturnine Aquila on the chest
Not muh Dubya Bee

>>96574936
Interesting, this suggests what each legion Sattie unit could be
>BA
Black Rage "Colossi"
>IH
Custom pattern, beeg Gorgon
>UM
Instructors, so probably better mental stats and buff bubbles
>Sallies
Forge shit
>RG
Deliverers ++?
>EC
Sonic implants
>IW
Perty pattern, so probably slower and fitted with ballistics
>NL
Cheap Knockoffs
>WE
Inductii, who tf knows how that will work
>DG
Maybe a Saturnine Typhus? Or weird witchcraft saturnines (don't look morty)
>AL
Fast redeploy, porbably go back in reserves after shooting?

>>96575005
Don't confuse EC making literal, actual termi gimp suits with base needs for the standard armor.

>>96575112
Huh, have the dark heart been mentioned before? First time hearing of them

>>96575139
We exist anon, we have been here slugging it out suffering.

>>96575143
>>RG
>Deliverers ++?
Damn, it seems so. I made my Satty praetor terran with plans to use him with normal Deliverers and my normal termis with my TS. But now that the Satty arcana is revealed to be terrible I might double down on Terran satties.

Do I need that many termis in one army?

>>96575143
>DA
Naufragia: Saturnine armed with power fists and a plasma bombad base, but can take upgrades to get phosphex dischargers.

>>96575153
They come up in the Anthony Reynolds & Gav Thorpe stories. Don't think they were mentioned in the ADB stuff. In those stories they're basically the secret club of Kor Phaeron's closest goons that helped purge the Legion from wrongthinkers whenever they adopted a new religious doctrine. But I think this is the first time they're referred to as a proper Chapter.

>>96575162
NTA Might I ask why? Despite all the psychic punishment you get in 2e, what keeps you playing it?

>>96575119
Could a full buffed phraetus (guide, fortifiy, biomancy, beseech the gods) disciple tussle with a primarch, or are they still held back by only having 3D weapons

>>96575181
I like to cast fire ball.

>>96575143
>"Colossi"
The Colossi are just a squad of BA Saturnine dudes.

I'm playing 3k 3.0 in 3 hours, here's hoping Jorlund Hunters and "ignore the AV14" work

The saturnine aquila was a mistake.

>>96575112

Well, the name and the complete lack of decoration beyond a flat black suit and some runes looks a bit silly, especially with aquila still in place, but no matter, fairly straightforward to demon them up.

>>96575119

It's a bit of a finesse job to get the Malefic buff on them, since if there's a techpriest in the squad they can't get in a transport or Deep Strike and they'll never do anything slogging on their own, so you'll have to rendezvous a Magos with them after they drop/disembark. Probably doable if you're marching a squad with the priest attached into midfield, though.
Personally I'm eyeing these guys up for Rewards of Treason, since the Mhara Gal is already a nice grab there, so I may as well get some more heavies that don't care much about the WB trait. Can't ever get Master Sarge, but that's no great loss.

>>96575192
So are Deliverers and the new WB dudes, and yet the ingame unit is named after them. There's a bunch of units like that. Phalanx Wardens, huscarls, Dominators, etc

>>96575192
Any TS lore entry regarding the big guys besides what's been posted?

>>96575210
Is there any time you'd want to go spartan party bus with them, or even with not being able to charge until turn 3 are you better off deep striking

>>96575213
Deliverers are more than a Squad, tbf.
They are a formation of Raven Guard termies mimicking SoH's doctrines and behavior

>>96575192
>underwent the process of initiation
Alright they're all but saying these guys went into the limb lopper now lol

>>96574161
>Be GW
>Go out of my way to make a key word system for units to avoid confusion as to what a unit is no matter what the name is.
>Create a rule that does not use keywords and instead uses name of hte unit
>Now have a random assortment of legions who can use their special units and those who can not based purely on if x,y,or z is in the name
JFC, so AI did write these rules.

>>96575213
None of those are only a singular squad of dudes. But the Colossi are clearly labeled a squad. It doesn't say they're a Colossi-type squad or a squad of the Colossi cohort or cadre, it says they're the Squad Colossi.

>>96575245
All the legion termis are elites, not shock Assault so it doesn't matter.

8am meeting anon did you get fired

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wybg4hwc/choose-these-units-to-transform-a-combat-force-into-a-full-horus-heresy-army/

>shill assault squad as an upgrade
>don't shill the brand new Mk2 one going up for preorder at the same time

>>96575248
So you're telling me there were multiple squads of Dominators? Perturabo's personal bodyguards?

>>96575292
Retinue anon, the key word applies to the retinue unit as well. Not all legion retinue terminator units have cataphractii or tartaros

>>96575101
They're Just That Good

>>96575308
Such as? All the generic are named after the pattern. What legion Terminator retinue unit does not?

>>96575228

Well, you save 60pts on the deep strike and a squad of 6 fills almost the entire spartan to the point you can't even cram in Lorgar, I imagine there are worse units to go deathstar mode with. Stick a True Believers termie libby in there to hellbuff them, take challenges on the boss who is now T8. They're basically a squad of dreadnoughts.

I can't really see a situation where you do want to deep strike a 500pt max squad of these guys fully geared for melee, that's too many points to leave out of action for that long, but possibly there's a hail mary config where you drop in with a bunch of Dissies and just become a giant nuisance that can't be left alone because they shoot and can't be charged because they melee, then you get to do stuff on T2.

>>96575183

I'm pretty sure you die due to low init and lack of wounds. Max buffed Phraetus is WS7 S10 T9 W3 I4 A5, base focus at +1 (init 3, -1 heavy, -2 fist, +1 cybertheurgy) and the Primarchs are just going to carve you up before you can swing. You can last a few rounds against some of them, but even wounding on 6 for 1-2 damage they'll still put you down long before they're particularly threatened. Probably your best bet to go for Finishing Blow R1 and hope your 4 attacks roll freakishly hot.

>>96574936
Any chance of showing the Dark Angels one?

>>96575350
Where does it say 'Saturnine', 'Cataphractii' or 'Tartaros'

>>96575350
>Iron Warriors get fucked
I see no issue

>>96575328
I mean off the top of my head, not a retinue choice but a heavy assault choice, Atrementar or what ever they are called for night lords dont have terminator in the name.
UM Fulminators
Siege tyrants
Suppose its effects heavy assult more then retinue.
>>96575360
Thats the problem it does not. for the line breaker unit the intent clearly was "Only terminators can fill these slots" But GW in their infinite wisdom or lack there of, decided to make it so cataphractii, tartaros, and or saturnine has to be in the NAME of the unit not as a keyword.

>Satty Centurion and Retinues only get deepstrike if joined by a Satty Praetor
This is the most retarded choice

>>96575350
They're in Dominator Pattern Termi armor, clearly. Not like there's numerous other ways to get retinues.

>>96575183
Alright let's do this:
Stacking guide, fortify, biomancy and beseech the gods bumps us up to T9 ew(1) 2+/4++. Offensively, picking the paired fists, we get 6 attacks at Ws7 and S10 ap2 D3 (I forgot if paired fists give 1 or 2 extra attacks but either way our strength bonuses are so high other options don't matter). Unfortunately our dog shit initiative means we'll be hitting at i1.

lets fight corax, imo the weakest primarch.
He'll go first, probably using finishing blow and his claws. He gets 8 attacks at s6 ap2 D2 with crit(6+).
He'll get 1.3 Crits (autowounding and D3) and 2.7 hits that wound on a 6, causing 0.4 D2 wounds and 1.3 D3 wounds.
After accounting for our 4++ and EW, we end up with just over 1 wound inflicted.

you'll be hitting on 4s, wounding on 2s, doing 1 damage per failed save.
6 attacks, 3 hit, 2.5 wound, 1.25 goes through the 4+ and is reduced to D1, so you'll also average around 1 damage inflicted.

The problem is that you've got three wounds and he has 6, so even though you're basically doing the same amount of damage to each other you're still going to eat shit.

The real value here is the rest of the unit. 25 attacks at S10 ap2 D3 will kill anything corax (or any other primarch) would have as retinue, and your t9 EW(1) means that you'll tank almost everything in return.

Rolled 4, 3 = 7 (2d6)

>Fatty centurion can get a twin disintigrator and a fist/plasma blaster
This is cool.

>>96575350
>>96575373
why would Dominators be with a teleport guy and not rolling with Perty

>>96575467
Why would they be rolling with Perty? He replaced them.

>>96575392

The Primarch also gets +1A for winning Focus, not that it matters very much. I think you actually do best against the Khan, he's D2 rather than D1 but he can't crit, so all those attacks are going into T9 and he only wounds you on 6+ no matter what, for about 0.66 wounds taken per round.

Dual fists are +1A for a total of 4 before buffs.
The big thing here is honestly that you don't need all those buffs, just Guide or just Biomancy will happily let you whomp almost any other terminator squad and you might even be better off straight-up declining the challenge, taking D3 and then punching the shit out of them if the Primarch retinue is not one of the extremely rare squads that can actually give you a fight.

>>96574054
I'm racking my brain trying to find a way to make this good. As others said overload 2 on plasma is already mitigated. Twin heavy D guns are short range and if you move you can't shoot both arms, so that means one and a fist are optimal. Add a shredder and treat it like a pistol and it's fine. Though at that point you might as well use the command squad version for WS5. Which then means you aren't taking an axe if you take a disintegrator, which is the counter to normal termis and the best part of the unit. Saturnine Dreads are best with inversion beamers or one inversion and grav. Their nipple flamers could have overload but I'd rather risk that and have stone form.

I'm I too stuck on best vs just good?

>ASSPD
Interesting take there capcha

>>96575443
sell me on him vs reserving command saturnine outright for a praetor
movement 5? what's that being appended to?

oh man that WB saturnine unit looks good to steal

>>96575303
Yes. Their fluff describes their number of cohorts in the plural. There was never just one squad of them.

>>96575373
Iirc, the not named "Terminator" Termies are: Inner Circle Knights Cenobium(Elite), Dominator Cohort(Retinue), Ebon Keshig(HA), Altramentar Flay-Clade(HA), Crimson Paladins(Elite), Red Butchers(Elite), Deliverers(Elite)

Those that do are: Deathwing Companions(Retinue)(their termie variants also menrton pattern), Phoenix Guard(Retinue), Tyrant Siege(HA), Varagyr(Elite), Conketar(Elite), Huscarl(Retinue), Morlocks(Retinue), Gorgons(HA)(that's also their pattern), Fulmentarus(HA), Deathshroud(Retinue), Grave Warden(HA), Sekhmet(Elite), Justaerin(Elite), Firedrake(Elite), Lernean(Elite)

>>96575533
Orison telekinesis contemptor that heals itself shouldn't be too bad either.

>>96575467
The unit literally cannot be joined by Perturabo unless you decide to houserule away their one unique special rule.

>>96575562
Based.

>>96575562
>>96575584
>tfw I have to be Loyalist AL because the only other player in town bought Ahriman as his MoTL

>>96575573
The detachment is looking for the word "Cataphracti", "Tartaros", or "Saturnine" in the unit name, which I think only Dark Angels have any legion units with their armor type in the name.

>>96575599
nothing says traitors can't fight traitors, especially if it's AL

>>96575599
>tfw I have to be Loyalist AL
>have to
Just cut to the chase and suck him off next time too

>>96575678
But I'm not playing NL?

>>96575683
>complaining about forced choice
>choice not actually forced
Could've fooled me, Konrad

Why are so many people not playing 3rd edition?

>>96575574
Double plasma Contemptor would be interesting. Damage 2 with no overload might be the pick for it.

>>96575716
Most are, the ones not are just very vocal.

Hmm, might be some value in these guys as a counter-deathstar. Going to test them against Horus + 5 Justaerin, since that's a fairly dangerous primarch and a solid A-tier retinue.

Grab a 6-man Conclave and a True Believers Cataphractii librarian to cast Biomancy, they fit in a Spartan and cost ~600pts to the primarchstar's ~850. Banestrikes literally can't hurt you so ignore the overwatch and then decline the challenge, putting D3 wounds on the Libby to negate Disgraced. Horus swings, crits twice, hits twice more. Libby hopefully tanks the crit that goes through 4++ on his remaining wound before so Horus only wounds one of your boys on average. Make sure that's your Champ.

Justaerin swing, finish off that guy, then your remaining five models wipe the Justaerin off the face of the earth, you win combat by 1-2 and Horus needs to test at -3/4 to stay in it. He's probably fine, in which case he has 4-5 saturnine to chew through and isn't getting any of the benefits of being in a challenge, so he'll take his turn, then your turn, then probably his turn again to get out of that. You'll never kill him, but do you care? If you're fighting a primarch that your sarge can actually tank in a challenge, like Jaghatai, do that instead.

>>96575112
Goddammit just give me a supp about the Bitter War already.

>>96575716
Because people can play what they like.

>>96575809
>Banestrikes literally can't hurt you so ignore the overwatch
Eternal Warrior can't reduce damage below 1. Probably won't drop a Saturnine, but they can still chip off wounds

>>96574172
Eternam Warrior on these guys is absolutely disgusting. Is there even anything that can fight them in melee aside from primarchs?
Even at range it's not like there's an abundance of D3 weapons and they still need to go through a 4++

>>96574721
>>96574921
>>96574936
>>96575112
MOAR

>>96574172
>becoming Phraetus Anointed makes Saturnine less CooL
That's right, kids. Heresy is LAME and GAY!

>>96574721
Do you have the missions, kind sir?

>>96575993
Why bother asking for a bad picture of it when GW is just gonna release it for free two days after preorders go live?

>>96575858

With the biomancy buff Saturnine are T8 and Breaching doesn't provide auto-wounds, so S4 banestrikes can't damage you regardless. The bolter on Horus' Talon can, and he has high enough BS to score some AP2 crits, but EW takes average damage there down to about half a wound.

>>96575859

You'd need D4 even at range, which means my usual anti-Saturnine mechanicum tactic of "just shoot them with a Venator" does not in fact work.

An even-points (inc. saturnine teleport homer) squad of Fists Huscarls win at min Conclave squad size and lose at max Conclave squad size. Custodes Aquilons are slightly superior in melee due to identical defences and better initiative but can't Deep Strike, plus they cost more for large squads.
Dark Angels Knights Cenobium do very well, since one of their perks is +1D against T6+ and thunder hammers strike before Saturnine fists, plus they're not paying for EW that the Conclave can punch through anyway. They're the only unambiguous win I can find at any scale, assuming even points.

Mechanicum Scyllax with Guide to hit WS6 will overrun a min-sized Conclave with weight of breaching attacks, but you can't get enough of them in a squad to match a 500pt max size Conclave and at that size the S6 AP3 flamers will kill too many of them anyway. Possibly they win if you guide two squads in at once, but I don't know any Mech list that has that many scyllax in it.

>>96574879
It's Wraight so he'll shit gold regardless, man hasn't had a bad novel since Battle of the Fang. He's also one of the few to get multi-Primarch interactions right and obviously can handle the politics of Terra since he's written much about it already. I'm more worried about how French and the others will follow.

>>96576039
Hey I like Battle of the Fang, the ending is kind of silly with Magnus getting trapped in a bunch of consecutive 1v1 duels but it's neat thematically.

>>96573444
I agree, I don’t like the idea of being able to run a purely knights list in AT, sure sprinkle some in for support, but the whole list? Idk seems kinda GAYYYY

>>96576015
That was wierd they did that. Really defeats the purpose. Still I have a game this weekend and we may try a new mission if we find them.

>>96574227
>saturnine praetor with transponder and war axe
They can not join a Malifc unit...

Sorry anon.

>>96575716
James invalidated my 2.0 units which would require me to rebuikd my army while also freeing the up the FOC for fluffy combo lists but making a ruleset where if you don't have the tactical squads you just lose.

>>96574879
why would Guilliman ever ocnclude that? Everything he did during the scouring was justified and was directly responsible for the Imperium surviving another 10k years in spite of every kind of obstacle. Nor was he responsible for the things that weakened the Imperium from internal developments to new threats.

>>96576238
Post your invalidated models.

>>96575562

Word Bearers is just Rewards of Treason city, I'm loving it. Headhunter bomb with an allied Magos, Conclave who can maybe catch a Guide at some point, maybe a Mhara Ghal which is just a solid pile of stats. Their legion rule is sufficiently irrelevant that swapping them to AL is usually an upgrade.

>>96576201
you can just give them Malefic as a Prime Advantage

>>96576290
After seeing how things panned out he decided that everything from his dissolution of the legions to his reformation of the Terran bureaucracy turned out to be a huge mistake on his part.

>>96575716
I think the better question is why anybody is playing 3.0, though I guess the answer is consumerbrain mixed with metachasing

>>96576301
NTA but one thing i found when building an army is that GW in their infinite wisdom or lack there of, made it so that Moritats can not join Destoyers lol.

>>96576039
Doesn't he also write Jaghatai a lot and they are considered decent books by BL standards?

>>96576413
Not entirely. If anything, he's more upset at giving too much power to normal humans because he focused on weakening the grip of the Space Marines.
I think he says this when restoring Ultramar's border, by force if necessary

>>96576413
according to what? It clearly wasn't a 'huge mistake' in any way.

>dissolution of the legions
Legions couldn't protect the Imperium, you don't need a sledgehammer to hammer 1000 nails. The Imperium also couldn't supply legions and keep them an effective force after the scouring. The chapters are far more self sufficient, able to control more territory and respond better to the numerous small threats that abound in the post GC galaxy.

>reformation of the Terran bureaucracy
centralization was the only effective means of governance and arguably the ecclesiarchy and inquisition which he isn't responsible for are the things that throw the spanner in the Terran works. The administratum, high command, naval command and munitorum are all ran decently well.

>>96574851
Nta but you could just have a separate step for each unit role.
Fast attack > elite > troops > heavy support > lords of war and big boys in general. Not sure it would work but would solve several problems at least

>>96576450
In the modern era he's very much questioning his past decisions.

>Sometimes he spoke of his errors.

>Mistake had followed mistake, he had told Sicarius, one night. He broke the Legions. He humbled the Mechanicum. He created institutions that now threatened everything. His brothers’ thirst for vengeance had propelled him into disaster, pursuing Fulgrim when he should have withdrawn. One cut of the traitor’s sword had robbed the Imperium of its stability. While he languished in stasis, his brothers had vanished, wreaking damage on one institution or another through their rivalries, petty disputes and obsessions before they were done. While he slept, the Imperium slipped from decline into ruin.

>These things troubled the primarch, and so they troubled Sicarius.

>If only I had not pursued Fulgrim, the primarch had said. If only I had not broken the Legions. If only, if only, if only…

>It concerned Sicarius, that the last great hope of humanity should feel this way, to look upon the Imperium and see only the terminal wounds of his mistakes.

So, how is DLC#4?
Are WAACs going out to buy all of GW's saturnine termi inventory?

>>96576511
Alpha legion fags will

>>96576509
Ah I must've misremembered. I mostly was thinking of this:
>‘There was a more practical consideration. I did not wish to set the
precedent of Chapters of Space Marines ruling large portions of the
Imperium. What good would it have been to remove the use of Legions
from potential tyrants, only to turn the legionaries into tyrants themselves?
By His actions, the Emperor made it clear that governorship of the
Imperium was to be undertaken by mortal men, not by the Adeptus Astartes.
If the Ultramarines were left masters of the Five Hundred worlds, it opened
a potential avenue of corruption. I would not have the existence of Ultramar
be the spur to the creation of a thousand small empires, because I could not
trust the Adeptus Astartes to replicate what we have at home. Warriors make
poor lords. The likes of the Empire of Iron was the more likely outcome
than a crop of new Ultramars.’

>>96576693
>I badly greentexted this
FUCK ME MAN, WHY DOES THIS ALWAYS HAPPEN TO ME!?

>>96576541
Truly they remain the most shameless.

>>96576703
Have you tried not phoneposting like a fag?

>>96576450
>Doesn't he also write Jaghatai a lot and they are considered decent books by BL standards?
Yeah. Scars, Path of Heaven and Warhawk are all really good.

>>96576110

It was. I very very much was. NOBODY liked it. Especially when Acastus were completely fucking broken. Statwise they were just a three armed Warhound without a reactor track and better range.

>>96576812
Geez, how brutal. I bought a Prophyrion Knight before LI came out cuz it’s my favorite knight design not knowing how busted they were, truly a travesty

>>96576327
where are you getting a High Command prime slot?

>>96576693
Also nevermind it wasn't this one.
It was the recreating the Tetrachy scene.

>>96576301
I've gone over this here before but the veterans that make the core of my blackshield force now have illegal loadouts so the models I worked hard on aren't legitimate.
>but run them as a centurion command squad
Yes but centurion commands squads can't score and they can only have a ranged weapon OR a power weapon so they can do one or the other or run a mixed squad where they can't do enough of either (and I DID say that they invalidated my units rather than just models). Which means I still have to buy and paint the tactical squads I don't want and I'm now rebuilding the whole army instead of just adding units that I want and playing with the new toys.

>>96576812
Hell an Acastus could put out enough firepower to rival a reaver titan and with 2 taking a combined fire order they could put out greater firepower.
Now with the nerfs they don't seem as bad. I want to play the knight guy at my local but he hasn't been super interested.

I asked a couple of threads ago and didn't get an answer. Does anyone know if there are any solo rules for Heresy or Legions Imperialis?

>>96576890
I don't think he has read the book yet.

>>96576432
No one will actually enforce this. It's definitely an error rather than restructuring of the FOC or the no printed unit options.

>>96576945
No. Not unless you want to play both sides by yourself.
Adeptus Titanicus has the Knight Monster Hunt minigame which can be played by one person if you really want to.

Does anybody recognise where the new WB Terminator symbol comes from? On the shin. Seems to be a transfer

>>96576511
>WB Conclave oppressive and abusable
>Saturnine Centurion exactly as expected, no teleport natively
>TS arcana only good on non saturnine dreads, way better exiting powers/arcana for saturnine.

>>96576900
NTA, but everyone can score in 3.0, just units with line do it better, so centurion command squads actually are good objective holders and in a veteran themed army they and vet tactical squads will probably be your main squads to do so, since all of the other veteran squads have vanguard

>>96576979
That's better than I thought at least.

>>96576974
>not even legacies saved WB
>[new unit] DLC "fixes" that issue

>>96576900
I feel you. I know there's way you can roughly port them over to 3e but but it's not the same. 3e disproportionately adversely affected those who really used the customization system. It's not your fault you used the rules provided to make really custom models. Personally I'd let you pay the points for thaw they have modeled.

"Both are capable of indirect fire, with the Scorpius focusing on taking out enemy vehicles, Knights, and even Titans, while the Whirlwind excels at driving enemy infantry out of cover."

I feel like this could have just been either a gear pick for the Scorpius, or an alternate turret on the sprue.
Does this mean we'll get Whirlwinds down the line in HH?

>>96577032
We already saw a pic

>>96576974

They really don't seem that oppressive. They're good, absolutely, but Custodes Aquilons are better for the same price tag in 3-man squads and only 45pts more for a 6-man, and top-line elite infantry from several legions can throw down with them. Huscarls, Knights Cenobium, Scyllax, Justaerin all do pretty well here, and enough hammer terminators will pull out a clean win purely because they go first and have a lot of attacks.

>>96576964
>Not unless you want to play both sides by yourself.
I was hoping to delegate "player 2" to a set of ai rules so that I can play against myself without controlling both sides, but if it can't be done then so be it, thanks for the reply anon

>>96573650
I'm in too deep already bro, my attic is a chemical wasteland and I will probably die of cancer, but I print and paint happily.

Even so, I like myself a plastic kit now and then. The baneblade has lots of 30k aesthetic upgrade stls on cults.

>>96576974
Where are people seeing the leaks at? I've been waiting since they teased the WB sat's to decide what to do with my guys from the starter set

>>96577030
There's actually a bunch of stuff I want to do with 3 which is doubly frustrating that I either have to restart Thousand Sons or leave most of my Blackshield infantry core to collect dust.
Also I have to wait another month for rules but my local is waiting another three before playing so that's fine.

>>96574469
I have just applied some transfers on my Force Commander's mantle. Enamels, powders and highlights tomorrow!

>>96577058
Anon, literally scroll up see the posts everyone's reacting to, there's spoon feeding and then there's this

>>96574172
Okay, so I take it WB is the only Legion that got an unique Saturnine squad, right?
Everything else is universal

>>96577025
I mean, unironically yes? The problem with WB is that they could clear hordes and play the status game like no one's business, they just lacked options to deal with 2+ save elite and terminator units, the phraetus conclave rapes elite units specifically with their Ew1 and high damage relatively low attack profiles. Course, it still doesn't fix the lack of malefic access (WHY DOESN'T BURNING LORE BASICALLY MAKE THE PRAETOR A DIABOLIST GRAAAH) but I've made my peace. Of course, it helps that my army was already themed around Terminators already, I guess if you don't like saturnine you're SOL

>>96577143
Yup. But we can always look forward to more Journal Tactica pamphlets.

it is kinda hard to drink deadly poison, in spite of all the shit going on
i might've found a way: prepare the poison in advance; drink a lot of booze; then look at future predictions.
that should do the trick

i don't know if there's a heaven; i sure hope there's hell down there

>>96577143
TS got a dreadnought discipline that also works on saturnine but otherwise yes, anyone can use the new detachments or saturnine centurion and command squad

>Siege of Cthonia added inductii rules for everybody
>Battle for Beta-Garmon added shattered legion & blackshield rules for everybody
>Forges of Saturn adds 1 new unit for 1 legion
The hell happened?

>>96577205
Welcome to the slop storm.

>>96577205
>2 books in first 3 months
>2 books and 2 reprint collections in 3 years
Gee you tell me

>>96577224
NTA but to be fair, we area also still down 3 mission considering GW fucking launched the core rule book with fucking THREE missions

>>96577186
>New Unit vol 1
>Isstvan V part 1
>Exemplary Battles vol 1

>>96577224

Welcome to the eternally shifting hellscape that is being 'supported' by GW

>>96577072
>leave most of my Blackshield infantry core to collect dust.
Very TS pilled.

Don't worry. There is always the vain hope that BS rules will give us Marauders and that will fix everything. (Marauders will not be released and will not fix anything.)

>>96577159
I find it distasteful that a legion's ability to play well completely hinges on paid DLC unit. Especially if the unit is ugly.

>>96577365
No way they would get guns, melee, AND pistols. Nobody gets that except Armistos

>>96577367
I mean if you don't Like them, you could just go with what we were relying on before the rules got leaked, blast elites at range, use generic elite units with thunder hammers of your own, or bury them with buffed gal vorbak and just try and outlast them. The Phraetus just offers a unit that works very well within legion's themes and synergies

>>96577381
I could see them having Guns melee and pistols if they also had no vanguard/line or support squad so they can't score worth a damn, so the only reason you'd take them is you are an unhinged blackshields main

>>96577418

Did they give anybody a new Rite of War? It's like the easiest way for them to add content to the game with zero miniature input and it's weird that only two legions have more than one right now.

>>96577350

Yeah, for a moment I really thought BloodBowl had actually managed to get away and have people forget about it, but nope.

>>96577367
>paid DLC unit
>paid

Who pays for shit anymore?
Text is free and STLs can be got.

>>96577431
We'll find out.
E-ventually

>>96577418
Well, I don't want to reenact Calth with the cringe models.

>>96577469
(You) know GW is expecting you to open your wallet over these, and that's why I don't like and this conversation is happening in the first place. I don't know what your inention is, but I'm interpretting it as cope over GW's new /v/ermin approved sales plans.

Funnily enough twin lightning claws are pretty efficient vs phraetus, they do 1 wound less for 5 points less on most profiles

>>96571642
part of the heresy hobby is timing a major project with a wave of 40kayers fire selling their flavour of the month army on ebay/FB

>centurion in Faturnine armor
Yay
>no consul in Faturnine armor
Boo

>>96577186
>>96577205
>>96577224
>>96577287
When did you realise we are never going to get it as good as we used to have it?

>>96577627
The moment that 3.0 was leaked.
GWs 3 year cycle curse was made known then

>>96577585
If the army rules this edition were pro fun Saturnine would simply be a purchasable upgrade just like Tartaros and Cataphractii used to be. It's bullshit that warsmiths can't wear that shit.

>When looking over the weapon changes notice magna melta cannons are 1 shot now, think they're trash
>Play a few games, forced to still take my pair of magna melta predators to reach 3k points with all the point reductions
>Get pleasantly surprised by how they perform
>Very swingy because 1 shot, but if they hit they hit hard
Actually might keep them in my list now. So far at least one of them has insta-killed a land raider or spartan in each game, basically earning back the points of both predators. They also got to remain stationary and shoot a valuable target way more often than I expected. Wonder how many other units that I thought are trash are worth trying.

>>96577670
Nonsense anon, that's not a WS5 Terminator with a thunder hammer

Any lore in there on how WS used the turtle men? I wanna see how they retconed them in

>>96576974
>waaah we can only make Fatties functionally immune to S4 with the existing arcana
>this new arcana that allows us to make an Osiron dread auto-regen in addition to whatever other psychic bullshit it does isn't good enough

>>96577747
i'm the anon he was responding to, i was asking if the dlc was p2w or not.
are you saying ksons received another broken spell in this book?

>>96577099
Baller. May he reign for a thousand campaigns.

>>96577865
No, they're saying it's not as good as their existing broken arcana

>>96575112
Sculpting the aquila into the chest piece was a mistake.

Looking for recommendations for representing Pariah Armour for Blackshields? I would like to outfit a couple squads and have them be distinct. Pic for attention, not mine.

>>96577991
Don't use shoulder pads. That's it, that's what pariah power armor was back in the day

>>96578002
I like the idea of it being stripped down power armour, not just "lol I took off the shoulders."

>>96577159

They're contenders with most elite melee units, but I don't think they just onesidedly wreck many of them. Hammers strike before them, and any boost from the baseline offense of five WS5 hammernators gets them to the point they kill one of three Conclave model before it gets to swing, which lets Justaerin (4A), Inner Circle (D3), Lernaeans (Hatred) and other similar choppy supertermies win the fight. You want a large squad because of that, but anything larger than a min squad doesn't fit in a Raider and Deep Strike keeps them out of the fight for ages.

They're absolutely good, but they're definitely going to be awkward to deploy.

>>96577972
It's SO easy to remove

>>96577972
WB with aquila look kino

>>96577991
Sick models. Maybe cut up pads and glue them together poorly and paint he glue like a shitty weld job? drip dents all over. Plasticard panels.

>>96571147
Where the cortus dream meme image when you need it?

>>96577186
>Volume One
So that was a fuckin lie.

>>96577287
You know the fact that all those books had "Part x" on them kinda makes me wonder if originally HH was not going to be on the 3 year cycle and that GW threw it on there late in the game because they realized that people actually played HH quite a bit.

>>96578241
Still wonder what happened with 2.0 development. The interviews before the 3.0 launch made it clear that they were already working on that edition before 2.0 was even launched.
Honestly wouldn't surprise me if 2.0 was just one of the early alpha versions of 3.0 that the rules team was forced to shovel out the door, because the suits wanted to sell the new plastic HH models that were already stocked up for release.
There also was that very early leaked pic of the plastic spartan and other starter set models, which we got to say waaaay in advance of 2.0
And the entire playtest rules being leaked was hilarious.

>>96574278
It doesn't matter either way. Praetors can't get malefic and the unit is malefic and therefore can never join.

>>96574924
You can give a saturnine centurion malefic and those can still take transponders.

>Knight lancer and 2 helverins

or

>brass scorpion, a pimped out magos and castellax bodyguard

can't decide my allied detachment

>>96578616
Knight lancer and 2 warglaives

>>96578509
>can still take transponders.
Negative

>>96576951
thought we were talking about Saturnine Centurions, my mistake

RAW only the Saturnine Terminator Squad and Centurion are covered by the teleport transponder anyway (on the Saturnine Praetor's transponder entry and the Centurion's entry), which doesn't seem like an oversight so much as a buy the upgrade for the Praetus Disciple, slam the Prime Saturnine Centurion in the squad and stop crying about it thing

>>96574231
in Saturnine armor

>>96578616

I will always vote for more Brass Scorpion, although I would personally take the opportunity to snap up something a little heavier as his escort. Destructors are my personal favourite aesthetically, since then you have these four priests tending to the great machine and also blasting stuff.

>>96578664
Saturnine command squad also have saturnine teleporter synchronisers just like the saturnine centurion

I know I'm late to the party here, but I'm putting together my Saturnine box, and fuck me, this shit did not need to be the complicated. I've worked on molds like these. There's no fucking reason that some of these parts couldn't have been the same piece. It drives me mad dealing with even smaller pieces now when it wasn't necessary to begin with.

>>96577627
The first three books were fucking perfect. Tacticals were trampled on by scores of terminators and AP3+ blasts, but the fluff and setting was so cool everyone was having fun regardless. Late 1.0 was all sorts of wild and schizo lol. I kinda stopped being involved after Inferno.
Though I'll say 2.0 was also good, condensed lots of stuff and let Tacticals have a gimmick, especially with the last two expansions Cthonia and Beta Garmon. Even if some flavor did get burnt on the altar of Shrimplification, and blasts became a joke.
I hope 3.0's rules do a good job at making the game fun, even if I don't get some of it. Maybe it's too early to tell, but I'm not getting the thrill that I felt with Betrayal, Extermination or Cthonia...
...yet!

>>96578688
>>96578664
Centurions and regular Saturnine command squads do NOT have a transponder option.

>>96578765
whoops one reply was supposed to be for >>96578509

>>96578750
Dark Mech christmas army box plz.

>>96575193
Jorlund Hunters did well and managed to wipe a tac squad with the Champion's help (sadly no vanguard because my opponent smartly removed casualties so he no longer contested an objective)
Ignoring AV14 actually seemed like a decent enough take, it made my tank actions much more impactful
Losers of the game were my 20-man TS despoiler + librarians in a spartan, the scored me 5 points and then proceeded to job

>>96578845
>sadly no vanguard because my opponent smartly removed casualties so he no longer contested an objective
Hope you had fun anon, but that's not how it works, vanguard checks objective control at start of assault phase so even if models were killed with volley fire they wouldn't make him not contest. Unless those were shooting phase casualties in which case RIP

>>96578867
I just think every terminator unit should be able to buy teleport transponders. Teleportarium technology is available now, and it's a relic in full 40k where all termites teleport

>>96578867
>Unless those were shooting phase casualties in which case RIP
Indeed. But still, the handflamers were surprisingly decent

Test model for my Blood Angels, coming back to the hobby after many years away. I'm thinking that the fluff is a kind of Pentient force of outcasts and remnants of shattered companies coalescing together, but still very much part of the IXth Legion. I want to keep them pretty irregular, but need to decide what would be sufficient for individual markings. I'd like to do a unifying company marking on the right rauldron (I'm thinking a broken heart), but should I throw that on the knee and keep squad markings on the pauldron?

>>96578968
Personally, for 30k I prefer company/battalion/chapter/etc marking on right shoulder

Hmm. Lorewise, in my word bearers battalion command of the elite forces is split between two factions, the Demagogue (delegatus) Judas and the actual Commander (Praetor) Herod. Before I had it setup where the forces of the faithful (troops, fire support, gal vorbak, allies) were under Judas and the chosen of the force (Retinues, veterans, terminators) were under Herod, but the Phraetus fall into a weird in-between where they're possessed like the faithful but in Terminator Armor like the chosen. Which do you they fall more under, or should they be more like mendicant monks where they just follow whoever they feel like at the current moment

>TQ
sunkillers get BS5 again, other options like the free chainsword and fortification are unneeded
+1 attack to the Phoenix Terminator Line or a slight points drop per addition
Buffs to Ascended Fulgrim +1 IN
Buff to Fulgrim BotL gets crit 6+
Julius Kaesoron rules could have been fun if special characters weren't just beat sticks for challenges...if they gave him rules that let him deepstrike a squad it could be worth it.
Glory Aeterna buff it strikes at -1 In
new weapons for Kakophoni to apply different statuses all models in the unit must take the same weapon choice, and a slight points reduction per additional marine
>what do I expect
more nerfs because traitor legion tax

On a side note the character Dreads like Rylanor and Telemechrus need buffs

>no mk2 assault squad or felblade for Australia preorders

it's over

>>96579350
>Its real
I wonder why, even the kiwi's don't get it

>>96579357
>>96579357
>>96579357

I haven't paid a lot of attention to daemons but can hierarchs really not join units?
the piddly little T5 W4 guy has to stand there by himself and get his ass shot off by multi-meltas?
250 pts btw

>>96577367
Wb are absolutely not unplayable lmfao. This unit just fills a niche we needed filling

>>96577670
Shut up lol. We’re trying to keep units hidden that hhg nogames ignored

>>96576979
>NTA, but everyone can score in 3.0, just units with line do it better, so centurion command squads actually are good objective holders and in a veteran themed army they and vet tactical squads will probably be your main squads to do so, since all of the other veteran squads have vanguard

>Looks at his full mounted White Scar army.
That statment is not totaly true.