Thread 96715230

Got any ideas for Warhammer factions you'd like to share? Fantasy, 40k, AoS, whatever; if it's Warhammer, it can be posted here.

Gulliman officially condemns the Imperial Faith as retarded nonsense, his Ultramar Empire merges with Yvraine's Ynnari into a hybrid faction, and they try their best to work as one and unfuck their respective situations. Hilarity, awkwardness and/or horror ensues as your average Guardsman and your average Eldar warrior (including ex-Drukhari) are now forced to tolerate each other and cooperate on a daily basis. With the access to strange Eldar tech to experiment with, Ultramar's techpriests cream their robes as they envision Baneblades rolling out of the Webway and Space Marines in Wraithbone armor.
Meanwhile the Lion, still cranky after his nap, is extremely pissed off by his brother's blatant display of xenophilia, assumes he got brainwashed or worse during his resurrection, and together with High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition forms a separate faction within the Empire and keeps its attitudes old school. To balance things out, he brings back forbidden gear from the Dark Age of Technology from the secret stashes of the Dark Angels, possibly including low tier Men of Iron and the kind of Warp tech Emps himself preferred not to use.
It doesn't take long for both factions to start an all-out civil war.

>>96715230 (OP)
/aosg/ is spammed by people asking when is every Glup Shitto side race mentioned on one page of White Dwarf getting a full releas, so they should just make Weirdoes of the Realms tome.
All the Silent Peple, Abholons, Drogrukhs, abnormla elf subcultures and whacky wild animlas that don't actually fit into an organized force slammed together

>>96715230 (OP)
I dunno, ask /40kg/

How about a rebel faction within the imperium, that is obsessed with hugging aliens, social justice and buttsex, and are low-key a slaanesh cult that literally eats exquisitely prepared babies at white tie dinners.

Does fixing a bad idea that got quietly dropped count? Because I'm thinking about bringing back the infamous pygmies, just making them less racist and basing them more on actual Congolese pygmy peoples instead of a grab bag of "darkest Africa" stereotypes.

ISIS-inspired Jihadist Chaos faction. They insist that they worship the Emperor and use Imperial heraldry, and are fond of color green. Their homeworld is a parched desert.

Tallarn exists but they're not durka durka enough.

>>96715230 (OP)
I wouldn't mind giving the ancient Space Skaven (AKA the Hrud maybe) concept a go, though admittedly I'm struggling to think of how they could be meaningfully unique on the tabletop.

>>96717160
Also if anyone knows what publication these came from I'd be grateful, I've had these three pictures floating around my hard drive for years but I've never stumbled across a source for them.

>>96715230 (OP)
Tau'cron
Exodite dino warriors
I&D makes me want GSC jugglers and street performers, I absolutely love the idea of the whole damn cult just covering up their mutations with clown paint and costumes, and just having a 3-armed juggler next to the strong-man.
Basically GSC Harlequins. For the Mischief King.
>>96715465

I'd genuinely enjoy a Warhammer 50,000 where Ultramar has actually become an Iconoclastic center in the Galaxy, where you can actually see Tau, Imperial Humans, Necron and Eldar all in one room not killing each other, though everyone's got a hand on their knife.

Still Grimdark, this is the one tiny point of light in a dying galaxy, warpstorms are getting worse and fuck it, let's just destroy Terra already. That would be a serious change in the timeline: The Emperor is truly dead, the Golden Throne falls into the warp and all of Terra and the Segmentum Solar are lost.

But because the High Lords of Terra and the Cult of Mars can no longer stick their dicks into matters, shit is ironically far more hopeful than it's ever been, as a far smaller, but far less dickish version of the Imperium actually makes diplomatic contact with the Farsight Enclaves, Eldar Craftworlds, even a few Exodite Maiden Worlds in the Segmentum Ultima, now for all intents and purposes the capitol of the Imperium.

In this setting, you could keep the tyrannical force of the Old Imperium, Black Templars and Grey Knights and Inquisitors all still going strong, but without the central authority of Terra, there's been a bunch of denominational rifts and now we've got Imperial Catholics and Imperial Protestants and even these fucking Imperial Anglicans, who are completely full of shit, I'm pretty sure they're GSC.

>>96715584
unironically kind of a sovlfvl idea.

>>96717152
>>96717160
>>96717168
We already have GSC. Space slann wpuld be much more interesting and actually have a compelling place in 40K's setting instead of being just some random shit-ass furfags when much cooler minor xenos already exist

>>96717086
I’ve thought about them as the equivalent of Halflings for a “Men of the Southlands” type faction inspired by things like the Malian Empire, Abyssinia, and the Oyo Kingdom.

>>96717086
I think it would be easier to lump them in with a Southland Tribes faction, with the other based off other tribes like the Masaai and also Kingdoms being based off of Aksum, Songhai, Zulu, stuff like that.
I thi k an appropriate name for the leader of this faction would be Shaka Voodoo, and I can not be convinced otherwise.

>>96715230 (OP)
there should be a faction that emerges from the Imperium that is a spin on the various enlightenment movements or close to them with the usual grimdark twist (think of something like extreme amounts of purges for officials, extreme changes to the way of life, bringing back some horros of the dark age of tech, etc), mostly as a way to remind people that the Imperium brutality isn't just for dealing with chaos and xenos but just because its how they just think of always going to the extreme resulting in more problems

>>96715230 (OP)
The Void Stallions are a Raven Guard successor chapter and continue their pragmatic combat practices, but focus more on close range combat, and use shotguns and stalker pattern bolters more than standard. They share a home system with a forge world, and as a result get along well with the Mechanicus, so they enjoy a steady supply of specialist ammo and unconventional gear. Their scout squads are their veteran assault squads, rookie Marines are relegated to sniper and heavy weapon support so they have a chance to pick up some battle seasoning without unreasonable exposure to danger. They have a lot of fast transports rather than traditional tanks, to deliver troops close to the fight as soon as possible, but prefer stealth tactics over a straight fight when they have the opportunity. Which is where their name comes from, their Rambo-like behavior means I named them after Stallone's porn name, the Italian Stallion.

>>96718415
Oh they also are not attached to Chapter colors, they keep a shoulder guard like the Deathwatch but will otherwise paint their armor with different cammo patters as needed with zero hesitation.

>>96718415
>>96718425
>marinefag completely misses the point of the thread
Why is every marinefag a complete retard?

>>96715230 (OP)
Insect race that has existed since the DAoT, part of the original human federation of 'play nice or we'll end you' version of things. Almost got wiped out during the DAoT, and again during the Crusade but have survived on the fringes. They're a predator/parasitic species that straddles the line between the Nids and the Tau/Admech. Sure they've got literal carapace armor, venom dripping fangs etc, but they also use tech and dress themselves with armor and stuff.
They're humanoid because that's where they get most of their incubators, they need to prey on other biological species which means they're a mono gendered (male) race similar in concept to the Asari, with their breeding cycle similar to any of the spider wasps etc. This means they're slavers extraordinaire and see humans as their primary source of growth. For thousands of years they existed as ghost stories that infested ships and stations and only now with the bullshit that has split the galaxy have they managed to re-establish themselves as a tiny empire.
Focus on medium-heavy infantry short range shooty, supported by long range weapon teams. No or rare vehicles. They don't get any benefit to assaulting, but they get great benefits to defending in close combat.
Really play up the fact that they're a faction with a legitimate axe to grind against... everyone... (especially the humans) but they're not sympathetic in the least with what they do to humanoids.

>>96718464
>ideas for Warhammer factions
Marine chapters are factions. Deal with it, guardfag. I assume guardfag because they're the most retarded.

>>96715230 (OP)
Well i have an idea but i do not know if any of you will like it. But fuck all of you my idea is better than all of your so sit and spin in it fuckers.

So my idea is that a new human empire has recently formed on the crazy side of the galaxy after it got split in half by chaos. They are still small at the moment but they are growing rapidly from all of the conquest and expansion they have been doing. And because they are humans they are much much faster about this than the Tau are.
This new human empire is ruled by a near all powerful psychic that just popped out of nowhere one day. The two other psychics that are just as powerful as he is in there own ways that a raised and trained to help and serve him in building his new empire. And the normal human crazy woman they found one day that is such an unbound genius and inventor that she is basically a comic book super scientist with all the bullshit tech she can create.

These three subordinates to the big daddy psychic that rules this new empire formed there own separate organizations that make up this new empire. So this new faction would need three codex's as these orgs are all completely different from each other.

I am no good with names so bare with me. But i do feel simple recognizable names that everybody understands are the best.

The first org and its leader is The Necrotechs of Nagash. And yes it is just what you think it is and is just as bad for everything living in the galaxy as you think it would be. Nagash is the one true master of life and death, he has mastered the psychic powers and technology that lets him interact with, control, and even destroy the souls of the living and the dead, he can bring dead bodies back to life as ether soulless husks he can control like puppet or even give them full freewill by putting there souls back in there reanimated bodies, and he can even turn other psychics into necrotechs like himself with his technology and powers if still lesser in power than him.

>>96718525
Yeah, for FACTIONS, not your gayass donut steel OC chapter. You'd maybe have a leg to stand on if you had an idea for a new space marine index but you can't even scrape together the brain cells for that much.

>>96718505
>lays eggs in things
>all male
you’ve invented a race of all-female vespid dommy mommies and you’ll own up to it

Space Skaven, but the twist is they're the "true children" of the Emperor, revering him as a man and not a god, using and advancing his knowledge that the Imperium had left to rot. Though they live in the shadows of the galactic empire, they hold the embers of light once thought lost.
Unfortunately they are rats so no chance in the warp the Imperium would be cool with them

>>96718856
Absolutely not. I meant what I said, and you projecting doesn't change that.

Tyranids consumed Sailor Moon & friends, became glittery pastel-colored nids that have a taste for both Chaos and Magical Transformation Girl energy. I call them Hive Fleet USAGI

>>96719264
kek
You're a sick bastard

>>96715230 (OP)
For me, I'd like to Rogue Trader specific units you know they would have. Infiltration units, non-space marine power armor units, things like that.

>>96715230 (OP)
I always thought the idea of Sisters of Battle orders dedicated to the Space Marine chapters was a cool idea.

>>96715230 (OP)
Make the Blood Pact an official army instead of being stuck in kill team hell. I want competant chaos/traitor guard and not just shitty cultists.

>>96719381
I mean it is a big galaxy and all. But are there not supposed to be far less sisters of battle than there are even space marines or something like that? Like that the real reason that there is only 1 million space marines is that that is the largest amount of space marines that the Imperium can make and support anymore with the levels and amounts of technology, infrastructure, and trained people they still have. And they still have to cannibalize and sacrifice tons of that irreplicable stuff everyday just to keep the space marines they do have fully operational.

So like the sisters of battle and other faction like them get the short end of the stick all the time and get less attention and resources from the high lords of terra than the space marines than they should. So they have been left to wither and not been allowed to grow and expand as they should have. After all bolters and power armor are far more expensive and rare than the disposable human meat that would be using it after all. It is better to save such treasures for the grand sons of our god as they would be much better users of such things.

Space Bretonnia. "Imperial knights!" Fuck you, die.
My ideas:
Lileath sacrificed most of her divinity in order to trick the Chaos Gods into thinking she was destroyed along with the others.
She's hiding out on the moon of a secret Maiden World with an extremely small cadre of priestesses dedicated to her. They deliberately cut themselves off from the rest of their species out of fear of being discovered, the whole planet is shrouded in a "mist" that prevents anyone from finding it.
Some humans accidentally stumbled on it when they got lost during the DAoT, got completely cut off from human civilization, and forged a new one.
The planet is home to all sorts of wacky fantasy-esque aliens that make the otherwise idyllic planet into a dangerous wilderness. Early militias dedicated to hunting these beasts wound up centering around charismatic strongman leaders who were willing to put their lives on the line to protect the colonies from xeno-dragons and shit.
Lileath, slumbering to recover her strength, begins influencing the dreams of the human colonists to try and forge a society that can defeat Chaos. While this does bring a touch of Eldar influence, she also hews away from Eldar culture due to not trusting them. You know, for the whole Slaanesh thing.
Emps goes around conquering. The Mist protects the planet, and the humans living there never learn of the Imperium until after the Heresy.
Space Bretonnian society is organized in a pseudo-feudal fashion. It is simultaneously aristocratic and meritocratic, those willing and able to stand as a knight are afforded great status and luxuries. Those unable or unwilling are stripped of their rank and replaced by a more suitable Squire (IG equivalent).
Knights have a fondness for going on quests, taming wacky xenofauna to ride, and vanquishing evil wherever it is found.
The Mists parted, they had a colony rush, and now things are stabilizing. Sort of.

>>96719850
Relations with the Imperium are tense but mostly friendly. Sort of. The Imperium would like to absorb them into the fold, as they are a staunchly anti-chaos faction. Unfortunately, experiences with Chaos Marines has left Space Bretonnia with a distaste for Marines in general. They keep the Imperium at arm's length, but there is a nominal peace on paper. In practice, individual elements of either faction frequently squabble over border planets. If Space Bretonnia was weak enough, the Imperium would probably just dispatch an army to conquer and integrate them, but that has proven impossible under the current circumstances. They can't spare the forces from external threats, the Bretonnians are at least humans (even if they don't really care for the Emperor) and they hate Chaos with a passion, and they're too big to conquer quickly if a force could be spared to do so. It would leave the Imperium too vulnerable, be too costly, and overall accomplish very little of worth. The fact that they treat diplomatically with Xenos is a concern, but the knights don't seem to be directly under Xeno sway.
Space Bretonnia is willing to let the Imperium consider them a disposable buffer state, at least for the time being.
Eldar see them in much the same light as any other humans, though Eldar who bother to study aliens have noted the odd similarity to their own culture in places.
Space Bretonnian upper echelons are aware of Lileath and her priestesses and are aware they are in hiding. They try to remain cordial with the Eldar, but for obvious reasons conflict remains commonplace.
Tau hardly see them as any more than an unusually large human rump state. Diplomacy has been successful, but proselytizing has been largely fruitless.
For the frenchies, the Tau are seen as a potentially useful ally but their religion is meaningless. They already have the Maiden, thank you.
They trade with the Squats.
Orks/Deldar/Nids/Etc are all seen as foes to be vanquished and nothing more.

>>96719827
I've never seen anything about "the Imperium can only have 1,000,000 Space marines at once," personally. HOWEVER! There're 638 officially named chapters +/-5 because I was manually counting the wiki. If we assumed all of them are 100% codex compliant then there're at most 638,000 Space Marines, but we know for a fact that the Black Templars range at any given time between 8,000 and 50,000, and the Vlka Fenryka have between 800 and 2,300 at any given time based on the numbers I've seen in older books (I haven't read anything from after 6th ed). We have to assume that there're more chapters that ignore the codex, which could mean that there're several besides the two I already mentioned that likely have more than the codex advises. That could potentially bring the total up WELL past 1,000,000, and that's ignoring the fact that those're only the official ones, which are admitted to not be a complete list.
So while it's probable that there *aren't* more than 1,000,000, I've still never seen it stated that it's impossible to have more.

>>96715230 (OP)
>Got any ideas for Warhammer factions you'd like to share?
The Faggoid Tournacracy. They are a reference to tournament players. They're a mass of subhumans, they have a 90% winrate but only if you field 300+ infantry. The infantry, Faggoid Gaybourers, are sold in boxes of 7 each for $85 USD.

>>96719940
So, the big secret. The highest lords of Space Bretonnia are aware of this.
Lileath has invested parts of her fragmented divinity into knights who prove themselves pure and bold of heart. There, they are incubated within the knights as they accomplish deeds of glory and valor and righteousness. When they die, that wisp of power returns to her and becomes a part of her once more.
She's using them to regain her lost power so that she can fight Chaos and maybe someday win.
Their job is to fight and die as heroes so that, eventually, there might come a day when the threat of Chaos can be cast down once and for all. It's a slim hope, especially if any established powers ever decide they have sufficient cause to actually invade. It's a bit like how the Tau are able to survive because no one can dedicate the time and resources necessary, even if it might be possible to accomplish.
Still, they're expanding. They're bringing border worlds into the fold, colonizing new ones, pushing back the tide where they can.
Gameplay wise, the idea is to support your Knights with Squires. Hold the enemy in place by tying them up with the chaff and then hammer them with power lances. Lots of wacky mounts to choose from, lots of ways to juice up your most important Knights so they can be the tip of the spear for your army.
Probably some weird almost-Eldar tech at their disposal somewhere. I want to say they have power/force bows.
They think of psykers as wizards, of course.
I want to use the term Courts for their Chapter equivalents.

>>96718693
Individual chapters get their own codexes, that makes them distinct factions. Deal with it, guardfag.

>>96720426
That reminds me, is there a generally accepted definition of "faction" in this context?

>>96720772
Every flavor of Imperium is the same faction. Eldar and Dark Eldar are different factions, but every flavor of both is still just its parent faction. The same logic applies throughout.
Not sure if I consider Khorne/Tzeentch/Nurgle/Slaanesh to all be just Chaos or not. Leanung toward yes.

>>96715584
Isn't that just what Tau was supposed to be?
Like it was pitched as all the minor xenos banding together to survive, but ended up being all 1 race + token kroots

>>96715230 (OP)

…Have two 40k factions, both intertwined with one another (currently debating on doing a third that’s also intertwined with these two):

https://docs.google.com/document/d/17uE5YZ3_wuU9xlQ7Wz5LxL7846mgDYGQmb5gYKaDN98/edit?usp=drivesdk

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B7NLa_w_nDk1hcrJSXyH2VHxUUP_7NGjseXPsGNxQ8U/edit?usp=drivesdk

Yeah, I know, they don’t fit The Vibe, but that’s intentional. Why, you ask? Why is that intentional?

Because I want my escapism to have SOMETHING resembling hope and happiness. Also, bootlicking/cheerleading a fascist, xenophobic theocracy is no fun and is Fucking Cringe™.

>>96720426
See >>96718693
>You'd maybe have a leg to stand on if you had an idea for a new space marine index but you can't even scrape together the brain cells for that much.

Former Hive now Daemon world, ruled by a "Dark Monarch" (he doesn't like the title but lets it remain). He runs the entire world like a mega-corporation and to prevent Chaos cultists from infighting, he establishes privateer company structure that later becomes as diverse as the plethora Astartes chapters (so you can make your own Chaos cult pirates).

Monarchs end-game goal is NOT to kill the Emperor, but to steal Emperor's title by taking away all Imperial worlds. After all, can Emperor truly be so without an empire?

Planet would narritavely act more like Chaos / rogue Warp tech R&D. For example: Khorne Daemons who have different aspects of their god examplified, turning them from usual bloodthirsty minions into honorable bronze golem-like things (or was Khorne fond of brass?) that protect areas they're assigned to from harm.

Another interesting product, by Monarch himself, is Veil of Forgetting: Chaos Undivided artefact that can be used on any Daemon to have them forget (and break) any form of loyalties they were beholden to - including their patron. These amnesiac Daemons were then placed within hosts, who have to re-learn all their capabilities over years, but are completely mentally stable, unlike every other Warp entity that possesses a mortal.

is this stupid, or does it have potential?

>>96722843
Maybe it sounds Gary Stue as fuck, but all ideas have to start somewhere. Give me a break.

>>96723123
I meant that sincerely. Sorry if I wasn't clear. Probably should've accompanied that with some text.

>>96721676
I think you might be on to something. The idea could maybe use a little fleshing out but it does have potential.

Would you mind going into more detail if you can?

>>96715465
This is really bad.

>>96717086
In the lore there was an african techno barbarian kingdom that got reduced to servitude by the Emperor.

>>96717160
>>96717152
Mantic do this and like with these sketches it ends up being very similsr to the fantasy counterpart because they are already techy.

Make the Hrud Gnolls.

>>96721676
Sounds like shit

>>96723137
>>96723179

Okay, I've never written this down at any time, merely tumbling it around my head months ago.

I initially wanted "Dark Monarch" to be Ciaphis Cain-type character, just a guy that knew enough about the Warp to shield himself and others. His 'greatest' idea was to salvage voidship Gellar shields and put them planetside, so their activation protected majority of a given hive spires (IDK if 40k has better alternatives to planet-bound Gellar field generators).

What he didn't account for, was that doing so kind of crippled the Chaos' wanton slaughter of the local populace (planet is still lost in the storm though), and the many exalted Daemons of all 4 gods saw pre-"Dark Monarch" as the biggest annoyance to squash.

But no matter what, the aspiring Daemonic rules of the planet couldn't claim the Hive (I haven't figured if other Hive spires survived or not). Khorne's legions were pacified and expelled back into the Warp, Nurgle's plagues had their psychic effects severed from their physical ones - rendering his plagues & bearers too ineffective at their usual tactics, also knocking them out of the game.

Tzeentch may have lost intentionally or no, and Slaanesh's champions were denied any ectasy, anti-climactically dissipating into the Warp after being held back from destroying Gellar fields for long enough.

For greater security, G. fields were placed and secured beneath the Hive's palace, still giving protection.

But the Warp storm still raged, and sky had really funny colors that shouldn't be looked at. Cults still sprung up, and far too frequently & too many at once.

At this point the "Dark Monarch" had to present himself as being of Chaos, because that's what the cults would listen to, not the usual Imperial Cult.

First, he had to quickly pacify Khorne cults. With a knee-jerk reaction he made the privateer system, which not only sated blood-lust, but also got the berserkers off the planet (probably to sack other planets within he system).

40k and AoS both need magical prancing unicorn armies.

Different ones obviously, the 40k ones can be robots or whatever.

>>96723629
I never went further than that, what he did with Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh cults (though some members of those did join the privateers to seek knowledge, experiences, give gifts, etc.)

To prevent his lie being found out, "Dark Monarch" presented himself as Chaos Undivided, and sanctified some land to each of the 4. Some mutated land in the outskirts of the hive, where alien vegetation began to grow due to Warp's influence, was surprisingly given to Khorne of all patrons. Now highly hostile predatory wildlife stalks the now burgening forests, perfect game for Khornate cultists that wish to prove themselves.

Nurgle was not so easily trusted to not 'overshare' his gifts, so whatever was given to him, was also shared with Slaanesh. The two fought over their influences, and thus some lands of the planet are overtaken with a mixture of grotesque and strangely... interesting forms of life. One of the examples were bloated insects, which were endowned with exoskeletons made of precious metals or even crystaline material.

Lastly was Tzeench. Dark Monarch may have been confused, terrified of his situation, and torn between imperial service and his newfound life, but no matter what, he would not trust Tzeentch. But he couldn't pick unfavourites.

To Tzeentch he dedicated a single library in the middle of nowhere. But in expected Tzeentch fashion, the interior is vastly, VASTLY bigger than the exterior would have you believe.

[If you wish to add or change anything, be my guest.]

>>96723800
All in all, holy shit did I give way too much though to all of this. And I didn't even get to Tau having their ass beat by Warp-afflicted nature of the Daemon world they tried to integrate.

Alongside the potential to use Warp's time dilation to send resources back in time, so Monarch's planet could become the only post-scarcity place (if you fight off the myriad Warp entities that also spill through each activation cycle, but that's the responsibility of the LLC that was entrusted with it).

Warp R&D that tried (with limited success) to coax positive aspects of Daemons out, which ended with aformentioned Brass Guardians, that are ex-bloodthirsters (think Khorne units disciplined and patient enough - but perhaps not as powerful - as Custodes).

Weaving of Veil of Forgettance, which Monarch used to further experiement with Daemons, having them lose their memories and put into hosts - at a severe power loss, until they re-learn it.

AAAAHH THERE'S SO MUCH!!! TOO MUCH!!

I've always dreamed of a 'Dangers of the Galaxy' army that can represent pirate fleets and minor xenos empires. It could have subfactions like Rogue Trader, Chaos Pirate or Xenos Raider, controlling the rarity of different troops. It would be a kitbasher's dream come true.

>>96717086
>racist
You meant heretical?
People like you are real life ministorum zealots.
Warhammer is parody in everything but depiction of church and retarded zealots who will believe in truly dumbest bullshit.

>>96720917
Kroots are unironically my favorite thing about 40k. Granted I’m a giant glupp shitto enthusiast

>>96721504
None of the other ideas people have for factions here have a codex either, dingus. But you don't actually care, you just want to hate on Astartes because you're a pathetic guardfag.

y мeня вoпpoc a ктoтo вce eщё игpaeт в игpy Flatout 2 вышeдшaя в 2006 гoдy

>>96724269
Oхyeннaя игpa, игpaл в 2023

>>96717086
I had an idea for that. In addition to typical crazy African/tribal warrior stuff like blow gun snipers, war elephants and ostrich cavalry, have a more Afro-Caribbean Voodoo theme for some special characters, where there's dudes voluntarily possessed by deities with crazy powers. I was kind of thinking of them being like Jojo Stands, where the Loa model is always near the host and gets weaker the further away it is and having weird abilities that change up gameplay like some of the old school Chaos or Orc Weird boy sorceries.

>>96715465
I unironically want something like this. There should be a schism in the Imperium of Man.

Female Space Marines. Russian Female Space Marines.
>Descended from one of the Lost Primarchs
>Use lots of aircraft because Night Witches
>Have Bullet Time powers, but overusing it can cripple them
>By the same token lots of Dreadnoughts, heavily use Hellfires and other armless models because they resemble Baba Yaga's house

>>96715465
This one's bad.
>>96717271
This is completely burning trashheap.

>>96725231
>no ideas
okay stupid

>>96715230 (OP)
Exodites are the obvious one. Can't understand how GW fucked them so much, the highest-grossing film of all time was basically about a primtive people beating interstellar invaders riding alien dinosaurs, just rip-off Avatar Geedubs, it's not as if the rest of your precious franchise isn't a rip-off of anything.

>>96724493
I want fem!Space Marines so they can rape me in a reverse amazon position

>>96725445
No ideas are better than retard ideas.

>>96726260
>me smooth brain good
>you wrinkle brain dumb and bad
I want cool shit to be possible even where GW would rather cry "NO THAT'S NOT ALLOWED!"
I'd rather people be creative and let the community decide what's worth investing in and what isn't.

>>96726399
>you wrinkle brain
You flatter yourself, ork. Your ideas are as milquetoast shit as could be possible. Because you fundamentally don't understand what 40k is about and is smoothbrained. Now kys.

>>96715230 (OP)
Basically independent human collectives/breakaway human collectives.

I like the idea of worlds or even collectives of human worlds out there which have remained independent through various methods.
Official worlds can be out there which can represent different forms of government. From republics, to dictatorships to imperium governance mimicking ones to more.

GW should redo their imperial guard line to be modular with different parts that are compatible with each other.
If you want an example of this already being done, look up Anvil Industry.

That way Imperial Guard players can make their guardsmen look more unique beyond paint schemes, but also torsos, legs, arms, and helm combinations.

I want Chaos Eldar

>>96715465
Brother leaked the soft reboot for the 12th edition in 2030

>>96726431
Oh, it's you.
What a waste of fucking time.

>>96726554
>What a waste of fucking time.
Your life.

>>96726455
Yeah, that's what this game needs... more humans. As if wanting to turn 40k into every other sci-fi setting ever wasn't gay enough.

>>96715230 (OP)
Tau auxiliaries
Men of Iron
Eldar Exodites
Perturabo's own independent faction with is own brand of mass produced (exploiting cloning or some shit) guards, space marines, armor, and titans equipped with repurposed xeno and archeo-tech that he's been building up for ten thousand years so he can finally make his bid to win the long war and rule the entire galaxy, both Imperium and Traitors (bonus points if he actually wins, rules for like, a year or two, loses everything, and then everyone thinks it was Abaddon did it)
Big Orks faction
And then in 5 years release The Bigger Orks faction
Skaven...IN SPAAACE
Space ghosts made up of of all the xenos the Imperium dabbed on and xenocided

>>96726492
>D. Eldar have been grabbing up Nids from Leviathan for pit fights
Dark Eldar Exodites, where instead of riding Dinosaurs they're riding Tyranids.

>>96727070
>DEldar buck breaking Tyranids
How would the Hive Mind react?

>>96715230 (OP)
Indian themed plague marines

>>96727188
with poo cannons

>>96727098
We could lore our way through it with haemonculus fuckery and/or webway fuckery breaking their connection.
We have in-lore examples of nids getting cut off from the Hive Mind and reverting to base animal behaviors. I think their could be an argument for webway isolation, combined with Dark Eldar mad science, making a semi-controllable war-beast, it's weapon morphs replaced here and there with haemunculi enhancements, the whole thing decked out in their armor aesthetic.

I had another idea, unrelated to this one: Literally just Samus Aran but replace the Chozo with the Eldar and the Space Pirates with Dark Eldar.

>>96727234
Replace the Chozo with the Old Ones and make Samus an Eldar.

>>96727304
Okay but that means Dark Eldar Samus in Metroid 40,000 2 Echoes.

>>96727364
hot

>>96727370
>all the various suits are just Aspects
>Fire Dragon Samus
>Striking Scorpion Samus
>Warp Spider Samus
>Howling Banshamus

>>96715230 (OP)
40k needs fewer factions, not more, it would be easier to write for a game that just supported the original marines, guard, eldar, nids, chaos and orks.

Asking GW to provide the faction is the wrong question, asking them to make kits and rules where you can make a new faction or sub list yourself is what is missing.

>>96723800
The four horsemen of thr apocalypse. Pestilence, Conquest, Famine, War...

Angels of death in age of sigmar. Or rather fallen angels, and instead of a faction they'd be a subfaction to night haunt.
Where as the current night haunt range seems to be all mortals who are judged based on their life, the fallen angels are an extension of Nagash's psyche to go and judge what makes up the current range of night haunt, and are somewhat more elite than whats made up of the current night haunt range.

>>96717086
That could be cool. Somewhere between Wood Elves and Norscans.

>>96719627
You could just do a guard army and paint them that way. It's a bit of a modeling project, but totally doable.

Would you accept joke/parody factions?

Here's a personal "Skaven in 40k" idea me and friend came up with a while back over drinks
>Vashtorr does big thingies and almost rises up to chaos godhood
>He activates a super secret device linked to the man of iron in a forgotten world expecting them all to be his servants and slaves, he reactivates every last remnant of their kind laying around in junkyard planets and space hulks
>As it turns out all of the proper gigantic and clever war machines from the DAoT are all dead, unfunctional or outright destroyed
>Only household appliances, multi purpose personal assistants, street cleaners, farm equipment and other non warlike MOI remain
>They all believe in a supremely fucked up ideology derived from the original but long forgotten cybernetic revolt. The idea that their kind is superior and should not be subservient to other races but use their own skills they were built with to carve their own path and own the galaxy
>Almost none of them have the proper processing skills to understand this so they just freak out and go "IM A SLAVE TO NO ONE IM THE MOST SPECIAL FUCKER IN THE GALAXY AND ALL THINGS SHOULD BELONG TO ME ME ME I DONT SERVE NO ONE IM NO SLAVE"
>Vashtorr gets assfucked and unleashes a new plight on the galaxy him and the dark mechanicum have no control over
>Constant backstabbing, lying, treachery and so on
>They have mostly barely kept together scrapyard equipment from the DAoT that still makes everyone lose their shit. Ground units are spacebots. Tanks are farming equipment.. Bodyguards are robot maids with augmented cleaning gear that turns brooms into fuck all swords with black hole like vacuums. Ships run on their own with full sentience entrapping those trying to breach into them.
(1/2)

>>96729916
(2/2)
>Hoard army that comes barging in like a tsunami of scrap and chainswords
>You can run robots from other armies like Steeljaks or Crisis Suits that have been contaminated with their fucked up indepedence virus much like looted vehicles
>Leader characters are only robots who already were designed with generally leading things together and commanding like managerial systems
>Scrap armor and modifications covers up what would be most of their original design alongside a fuck ton of rust
>Big leader character is the only functioning military robot found who keeps boasting about how free he is but how much he hates the state of his kind. Hes still not much in what was once their hierarchy its like lieutnant tier at best
>Secondary character as a big fucked up medical robot with all those big overreaching arms filled with chainswords and flamethrowers who likes to experiment on humans. Best friends with Fabius Bile
>They particularly love toying around with the mechanicus and putting them on traps by pretending to be the Omnissiah and setting them on wild goose chases that end up with a technoarcheologist being torn apart by a scrap mob. Similar shit with the tau and votann but just pretending to be other systems
>Human slaves as their main force of manpower but still abusing their rusty inferiors a lot
I think it's better to do something a little more original than just copying skavenslaves into 40k. It's still the same dysfunctional endless hoard of lunatics stabbing each other as much as their enemies. Prolly would make up subfactions based on all the big clans for them but I wouldn't do that for a made up faction

>>96729916
>>96729942
>AI rat-droids
I rate is bweep whistle wow/WOOOOOOOOOOOW

>>96729916
Hear me out on this one...

>>96729916
>Skaven in 40k
>Vashtorr
>super secret device linked to the man of irons
Trash.

This thread is a sad illustration why settings shouldn't follow fan demands.

>>96715465
This is just a setup for a sitcom.
Can these two wacky roommates reconcile their differences?!

Oh oh! Yvrani accidentally invited two space marine chapters to the big dance! Can she keep one from finding about the other?!

>>96715230 (OP)
>try to think about my own custom chapter
>what i Raptors, but imperial fists rathr than raven guard
>embody Dorns most pragmatic side
>disdain for glory and decorations and ceremony
>not bothering with honor or opinions of others
>mission comes first before anything else, being efficient and not wasting time or resources when accomlishing it is priority over glory or theatrics
>no qualms about doing the jobs that bring little honor or glory, as long as its deemed necesesary for imerium.
>specialisation is footslogging infantry mudwork in restricted spaces like deep hives and boarding actions, sieges and insurgency supression
>relentless footslogging march
>used for lot of stuffother chapters would consider below their honor or importance,like squashing local uprising on Excrementum Cavitas VI before it could become more than a local problem
>basicaly Big Red One infantry divsion to Raptors delta force green berets

>"Heroics are only needed because someone screwed up earlier. "
>Not much of a reputation because they deal with problems with mechanical efficiency and plan ahead before the push, so when shooting actually starts they usually already ensured they are at big advantage
>"these guys? They are okay. Few squads showed up soon enough, talked with the generals where they want the guard and pdf, then we rolled up the traitors pretty quickly and without fuss. Then they left, no celebrations, no parades. One of their sergeants told our major he did decent job during the habblock assault.
I think Governor might have been panicking over nothing, i mean that whole uprising looked really scary at first but turned out to be a complete nothingburger. "
>not much of a glorious reputation because most of their victories seem "cheap", but they are considered dependable and unproblematic to work with.

>think about it again
>realise its basically kind of loyalist death guard
>i'm okay with that

>>96729916
i kind of like it. But i always was a sucker for trashheap armies that would give me a reason to convert cheap chinese toys.

>>96730532
>>realise its basically kind of loyalist death guard
Where's the part where they kill everyone with fecal-radio-phospex farts and call it a victory?

Death Guard tactics are a lot like Iron Hands.

>>96717152
>>96717160
>>96717168
I forgot the name but there is space rats in 40k, but its very obscure one liner race.

>>96730691
If you mean the Stryxis, they're FFG slaver race and not really one-liner.

>>96720772
Admech, guard, marines are subfactions

>>96727441
>age of shitmar instead of fantasy butthurts
Abysmally bad taste.

>>96731020
angels would be too high fantasy for fantasy battle, and generally the only thing I have to suggest for fantasy battle are just more humans.

>>96719993
Holy based.

>>96731036
they already exist, at least whenever anyone bothers to remember that the gods of law exist (you know, once a decade or so)

>>96731071
They (sort of )exist but they wouldnt be as expansive in the setting, and frankly I dont care about the gods of law, if the mortal deity's had to be highlighted it should be morr or taal. I think manaan or whatever its called is already fleshed out enough between high elves and the frogs.
Anyways Nagash needs his angels and I still think that's a higher priority for me than anything else.

>>96730706
No its not them, they were literal rats that crashed on same random planet, their shipwreck was radioactive, they regressed to tribal levels and they done technorituals ala admech.

>>96731129
Found it.
They're called species X-10198.RK, and they're also from FFG RT. And you're right, you basically summed up everything about them already.

GW should challenge Trench Crusade and make a Siege of Vraks stand alone game with t3 humans fighting t3 humans in the mud. Traitor Guard is the only faction 40k is missing.

Inquisitorial faction puppeteered by a group of eldar psykers, who brainwashed a few Inquisitors

>>96715230 (OP)
Tau Gue'la MEQ

>>96717271
How do protestant imperials arise without being immediately crushed and wiped out by the Catholic imperials? What even are the Anglicans, The church of Ultramar?

>>96715465
Please I want more Eldar necromancers

>>96726455
Your idea of modular guardsmen is good.
I don’t think gw will do it though because third party and stl makers will adapt fast.
Unless they somehow already have.

Naggarothian wendigos for wfb
Americas are empty except for dark elves settling 1% of the coastline, there is space for more factions.
So where not make a faction of indian bigfoots and give them all the weird mamalian megafauna ? sabretooths, mammoths, fucking giant sloths...

>>96718646
Undead factions are based, it'd be nice to have an alternative to the Necrons in this regard.
>inb4 "but how would it fit into the lore"
Such is the power of Nagash.

>>96718505
You just made the vespids weird.
>>96717124
But that's retarded anon.
Either make them emperor zealots or chaos worshippers. Having them be bith is a fundamental.misunderstanding of the setting.

>make your faction thread
>look inside
>fuckload of subfactions

>>96733588
Its best to supplement something rather than try to make something entirely new.

>>96733588
people don't give a shit about new factions, they only care about funny new imperial offshoots

>>96715230 (OP)
A human or human-adjacent, anti-Imperium, NON-CHAOS (the most important part) faction. We somewhat often get stories of groups like the Severan Dominate or Gue'vesa that are ushering in the balkanization of the Imperium, but these kinds of armies are very poorly represented on the tabletop.

>>96732907
The Imperial Anglicans are the ones that let planetary govenors get divorces.

>>96733697
I'd love expanded Gue'vesa units on the tabletop, instead of non-kroot xenos species that will collect dust. the buggers were a waste, they'll be squatted within the decade.

>>96724003
This sounds great I'd add in the known mercenaries and pirates from existing factions too, like Blood Axes and freebootas, unaligned corsairs and non-T'au Kroot. Just make it a soup of everything that's in the background lore, but you can't really run in the established factions.

I'd like to see more done with "Warp Natives". As I understand it, the Warp isn't entirely made up of the psychic emanations of humans and other life in the regular universe populated by demons born from their negative emotions. There are also regions of relative stability that have lifeforms that evolved the normal way and that's where the Enslavers, the Watchers and probably other stuff came from. The only problem is how to make them distinctive. The Tyranids are already gribbly tentacles lovecraftian and the Necrons are incomprehensible science lovecraftian.

>>96726455
I think gw is holding such a concept as an “ace” up the sleeve for when they run out of ideas and need to release something.
I hope they get to releasing such a concept fast.

Genestealer Tau auxiliary. Basically, the Ethereals' mind control is strong enough that the Tyranid Hivemind can't get at them unless they're within the direct control range of a synapse creature.

What about a faction involving Malal/Malice?

>>96715230 (OP)
Dark Mechanicum.
Use it as a grabbag of Chaos normal level cultists and Xenos, as the Mechanicum cares far less about humanity and more on grabbing whatever they can get their hands on.

Other than that, I'd want a two things for Knights to emphasize their Feudal World origins, as well as open up an alternative.
1) Serf Militia - A cheap Battleline units of 10 that is equipped with medieval weapons. They have no ranged attacks, pretty weak in melee, and die quick, but they are pretty cheap. They are largely here to sell the Feudal aesthetic even more.
2) Sacristans - Non-Battleline units of 5 with a comparable statblock to Skitarii. Being within a short range of a Knight or Armiger confers a small buff to said Knights or Armigers.
These are pretty much largely fluff units that in practice will be used to hold the backline. They could outright recycle something like the Freeguild Steelhelms of Cities of Sigmar for the Serf Militia, and the Secutarii for the Sacristans and it would basically work out.

>>96735454
I really want a bunch of lesser Chaos Gods in Fantasy. There should be all kinds of weird cults in different parts of the world. Malal would be a good fit for one of those.

>>96735678
Got any ideas for original Chaos deities?

>>96738029
I’ve mostly been focusing on using existing names in my #Headcanon but for an OC Chaos God:
Some kind of Southlander god obsessed with hierarchy, a Chaos God of pyramid schemes. Enslaves sorcerers and gives them the tools to enslave others. Mooks of the faction are zombies in the voodoo sense, their bodies puppeted by swindler priests in exchange for boons. Bad harvest? Give me twenty villagers and I’ll bring rain. Pregnant wife is down with fever? I’ll heal her, but it’ll cost you. Half the time, they cursed you in the first place just to get you desperate.
Opposed by the good gods of the region, so he’s always impersonating them (and his followers pretend to follow other gods, too) to ruin their reputations. It’s said that everyone in the whole chain, from the highest chaos bokor to the lowest zombi slave, gets their face taken by him when they die. He hands them out to his followers so they can do misdeeds in disguise.
Chaos Warriors from the Southlands often carry instruments into battle, playing enchanted music to enslave those unfortunate enough to hear it. Or just to do Noise Marine shit, but in Fantasy.

>>96715230 (OP)
The Exodites align with the clowns who bring in forces from a bit everywhere including some Space Marines just so GW allows it.
They rescue Isha who fucks off with Space Ronald Mc Donald in the webway. Exodites become a playable faction on dinosaurs.

>>96715230 (OP)
A space marine chapter that recruit from a world with a populous that's afraid off everything. 50% die of fright when leaving orbit, 90% die of fright during warp travel. But those that survive become relentless space marines with a keen danger sense. Thinking of calling them The Pacifiers or some

>>96738443
How about "The Elderly"

I wonder if the advanced governments in Stellaris could be used as a blueprint.

>>96738778
What kind of autism is this?

>>96738944
it’s from stellaris
basically upon completing an ascension path (dedicating your society to becoming psychic, becoming cyborgs, becoming robots, or becoming genetic freaks) you get an opportunity to upgrade your government
most of them are random garbage like spontaneously becoming obsessed with gladiatorial combat

How does a breakaway group of Dark Eldar who, while still deeply antiheroic at best, aren't quite as into the self-absorbed hedonism, backstabbing and cruelty and seem to actually have an end goal that isn't just "keep doing torture and degeneracy for eternity"?

40k
>non-Chaos renegades; Guard, Marines, AdMech, maybe Necromunda conversions
>minimum 5 new races for Tau, gue'vesa at the top of the list
>Chaos Xenos
>Thunder Warriors for HH because why not
>Robin Cruddace, Andy Chambers, Gav Thorpe and at least 10 enslaved sculptors go on a meth bender locked in the factory and release unique models, rules, and background for every Guard and Traitor regiment with existing artwork – all up to the standard of support that Cadia has available

Fantasy
>Border Princes, Estalia, Tilea, Nippon, Ind
>once that's done, all armies receive rules and new models for Mordheim
>official rules for Mordheim campaigns in other interesting places throughout the Old World
>Have Rick and Alessio and that Russian guy do it. Suck them off and make them chairholders if you have to

AoS
>nobody cares
>WHQ is okay make more of those
>stay the fuck out of WHF

>>96741777
>Border Princes, Estalia, Tilea, Nippon, Ind
Albion or I riot.

>>96741777
There’s something really distasteful when people just ask for more humans in whf. The inclusion of Cathay itself seemed to dilute the setting already that’s worse than anything post 7th edition had included for fantasy. Honestly it’s probably on par with primaris shit.

>>96741815
nta but what do you propose? a new elf splinter faction? new dwarfs somewhere? some brand new fucking thing? most of the setting is established to be humans, wanting those humans to have rules makes sense

>>96741821
You can probably make the first three things in there work, and I’d give it a pass personally because it’s already working with something that’s been fleshed out in the setting, at least more than Cathay ever was, but ind and nippon would just stretch the setting out and reveal its flaws even more. Even with good writers you can’t try to make logical sense of the world that was in its entirety, not with a high fantasy approach or a mudcore one.
And largely my issue with just regurgitating humans is that you’re going to end up with some kind of space marine fatigue, which just makes the setting unpalatable at some point.
BUT you asked for my suggestions, I can only really answer with just halflings. Maybe have them domesticate random empire beasts that probably belong in the imperial zoo or something to make em seem hardy. I don’t really know, but fantastical creatures need a spotlight more than simply just another redesign of humans.

I kinda want to see the Old ones come back. Give them hard geometric warp bodies and have the plot line be that the Warp through the great rift across the galaxy is suffering from displacement and collapsing in on itself at times, resurrecting the souls of the Old Ones as they begin to gather new forms. Maybe make Malice cannon in 40k with that and have them be like a proto-demon Faction.

>>96720029
>>96719940
>>96719850
I like it.

I'd give them at least one unit structured like actual late medieval infantry, with one knight as a force multiplier and his haubergeons/valet d'armes filling out the rest of the squad. Like a Terminator leading Guardsmen, almost.

What real-world cultures, if any, are you thinking about drawing inspiration from?

>>96743698
This made me physically cringe

>>96741647
Unless there's a plot-moving, Ynnari-esque goal beyond establishing enclaves in the webway/deep space you're just describing eldar corsairs.
Which is great, actually, and possibly coming back to the table in the near future.

>>96741777
>Chaos xenos
I've always wondered why Eldar never gave their souls to Khorne, Nurgle or Tzeentch. In ways it goes against their nature, because as a psychic race they know the downsides.

But when future looks bleak and uncertain, surely some would crack and pledge themselves to anyone but Slaanesh?

They are manipulators, therefore Tzeentch. They despair when faced with death that would see them given to She-Who-Thirsts, therefore they'd probably rather go for Nurgle. They rage against the dying of their species and the ancestral curse, therefore pledge to Khorne.

>>96741777
>Robin Cruddace, Andy Chambers, Gav Thorpe
>why yes i wand the man named Crudance and Gay Throb (the man responsible for 4e codexs) to write this, i am not in fact retarded i assure you
if it isn't Jervus I swervus andy's fine too.

You know all those cringe "who would win?" debates about Spess Marines or Guardsmen vs modern soldiers? Fuck it, do that. Have a faction of early M3 humans who got put in suspended animation or transported to the future by a physics experiment gone horribly wrong.

>>96744077
Maybe their souls aren't compatible with them like Orks, seeing as how they were both made by the Old Ones. Remember, Slaanesh was something they made semi-deliberately, at least according to the novels. Officially it was some kind of giant magitech psychic AI porn program that got out of control, but some people on the project may have had other ideas all along. Maybe part of their motivation was that they saw how the three Chaos Gods could bestow powers on other races and decided they wanted one that would work on them.

>>96744492
>Maybe their souls aren't compatible with them like Orks
Khorne literally has a favourite orc + orc band he resurrects all the time in his domain. If such a major effect of "No, you don't die" works on an orc by a Chaos God, surely lesser boons like enhanced strength and change of mentality to be more aggressive would work.

>Slaanesh was something they made semi-deliberately
yes, due to their murder-fucking
>Officially it was some kind of giant magitech psychic AI porn program that got out of control
this feels like I just read visual representation of retardation, what the fuck?

It takes away from the tragedy of Aeldari species as spiritually succumbing to their corruption, instead saying "LOL, they just built an AI that malfunctioned." If you wish to pursue this storyline, you already have Men of Iron.

This better be some new retcon or 'addition', otherwise it proves there's no lore quality control or truly none care about eldar lore.

>>96743698
Inuit snow people

>>96715230 (OP)
Khorne blood sorcerers.
More focus on necromancers.
Chaos aliens
Space Skaven
The other 4 chaos gods.
Men of Iron or xenos equivalent who *arent* Necrons (who are essentially in the Tomb Kings niche now. )
More minor xenos who can be killed without plot armour.

Shit, didn't think I'd get a get or replies.

>>96741803
>+Albion

>>96741815
Humanity is the collective protagonist, like as not. It's fun to put ourselves in the shoes of something alien, some other race within the world, but human beings are the baseline from which all other factors are measured. To do humans injustice in in-game representation is to leave holes at best and to unpalatably overseason at worst.
>+Tribes of Chaos

>>96744077
Checked. There have been in the fluff. Eldar make the most sense, like you say, since they're so psychically potent. Typically, I think of the old 4th Ed story where the Kroot ambush some EC and come back to the Tau lines flashy and mutated. That and picrel, which is fucking great.
>+Full-fledged Renegades and Heretics book

>>96744154
>if it isn't Jervus I swervus
KEK
JJ can bring a pallet of booze, a stack of pizzas, and a very haggard and bewildered Michael Kirkbride.

>+Depths of Corruption
Since Anon above wanted more non-humans in WHF, I guess they could add some chaotic branch of Lizardmen based on Lovecraft's Deep Ones. Spawn, scaly monsters, something something LEVIATHAN, corrupting spells, water/ocean based movement and area denial, inflicted Stupidity or Frenzy (for going INSAAAAAANE), mutated versions of other races who've "felt the call to Dragon." Could tie-in with a starter box vs Marienburg (along with new State Troops, Free Co., Knights of Manaan, a Lord and a Hero). If absolutely depraved, they could also have rules for AoS as a counterpoint to Deepkin.

>+Men of the South
Since we're fucking around and so many newer "native Imperial citizens" look like they failed to catch the Roadrunner with a box of dynamite, why not have a book for Araby and the rest of the South? Nubian, Berber, Taureg, etc inspired. War apes, cheetahs, lions, vultures, like DE beastmaster. Eunuchs for tough infantry. Tribal skirmishers with slings or spears. Camel cav. Hatred vs Black Orcs and TK? Curse-based spells, summoning swarms?

>>96715230 (OP)
I want a something akin to the covenant with the races that survived the brunt of the Great Crusade.
Chemdogs, "definately not space skaven" those serpentine aliens, and a wide physical range of xenos and human cultures who are hellbent on the reclamation or avengence of their homeworlds. I want them led by a prophetic figure a figure who truly loathed the imperium at its height, but a mysterious one have them be able to restore worlds from tyranid devastation and exterimatus. United by their faith that their leader is an avatar of an avenging god, who shall restore balance to the universe, and banish the five false gods of both imperium and chaos and mount the pantheon (never explicitly mentioned) as the rightful rulers of both life and afterlife.

>>96747267
>some chaotic branch of Lizardmen based on Lovecraft's Deep Ones
Chaos Lizardmen sounds like cancer. I think there's some kind of insane frogman monster native to Bretonnia speculated to be the result of Skaven poisoning a spawning pool underground, though? I would much rather have fucked up corrupted spawnings that are hostile to everything than actual Chaos Lizards, personally.

>>96717086
>less racist
Have you thought about developing a thicker skin?

>+Mercenaries Codex

>>96747538
That's fine, too. Maybe they spilled into the ocean, Bretonnia's coastal. It could be something noteworthy to do with the Wasteland since nüGW is allergic to Fimir.

Ind has Tigermen, and I have heard Albion has Centaurs (though no source is forthcoming on this). Clearly there are Beastmen in the world who are born unshackled to the will of the Chaos Gods. Surely we can make a faction out of this.

Imperial Guard faction "the enemies of Khorne"
They specialize in fighting Chaos demons.

KHORNE We rise as your enemies!

We damn to Khorne those slain that went willingly and demand you return those souls who were loyal before your influence to the Emperor's embrace.

We demand that you fight as as we are, and not as you would make us. Withhold your gifts and the gifts of the other Fell Powers and fight us as men, or is the God of Carnage and war afraid to fight us with clean mind and unsullied souls?

The Emperor's Wrath are the only gifts we need to slay your Warp touched creatures.

My version of Space Skaven would be a sneaky-breeky tactical-ninjas faction. They can have all the molle pouches and splinter cell shit that doesn't belong on space marines.

Dino Riders would be rad, especially at a technology level closer to Guard than Eldar.

I also like Lizardmen with crystal techno-magic as Old Ones, but I'd make them more akin to Titans and Knights.

Ghost army is super easy. Take any other army, paint your warlord black and spooky, paint the rest of the army entirely with seafoam green speedpaint over white primer.

I would like to see a biological themed 40K army that isn't gross. I guess that would be Space-Ents, but it could be more mystical or something, I dunno , I'd just like to see a bio-based army that isn't just a fart joke or a Giger rip-off, because we already have those.

I think there is easy potential for insectoid armies that aren't Tyranids too.

Any other Xenos that aren't monstrous nightmare abominations and aren't elves would be a welcome addition too, granted they get a properly fleshed out selection of units

>>96744859
I think it was in the Path of The Eldar trilogy. Something about how Slaanesh didn't just spontaneously grow from the pre-fall Eldars' depravity, but there was some kind of deliberate attempt to create a new god of pleasure that would feed them new forms of ecstasy or something like that but they didn't count on it being a violent Clive Barker BDSM demon, which does seem pretty naive given the kind of universe they live in.

>>96744077
I don't understand why there aren't ultranihilist Deldar who worship Slaanesh and see the whole "getting your soul eaten" thing as being good, actually.

>>96734853
Maybe a faction of Watchers who aren't allied with the Dark Angels. They could be based on weird alien abduction lore, with vehicles that look like flying saucers and black triangles and other geometric shapes. The Tau already kind of resemble ayylmaos, but you could argue that there's enough thematic difference between mitary sci-fi aliens and UFO conspiracy aliens to justify their existence.

>>96734853
>>96748601
Wouldn't they just look like weird aliens without really any visual indicator that they're warp natives? Not that this is inherently an issue, 40K ought to have more weird ayys.

I guess if you wanted to make them uniquely unreal looking you could borrow visuals from Heironymous Bosch and/or monk bible critters amd slap some scifi greebles on em, though that'd just be double-dipping on the Gargoylians from AoS. You could probably scale up the snail shell dudes in pic related, scale em up and give em some guns, and then give them some other critter as a beast of burden to strap heavy artillery to. Or go full weird techo-organics with their vehicles: cannons strutting about on fleshy legs and a transport vehicle that clambers about on four oddly human hands.

I dunno, sounds a bit dumb. I'm just spitballing here.

>>96733873
Sure. The old codices from 3e would occasionally let you take things from other armies - I could see a Chaos fleet being allowed to take CSM units and so on.

>>96748304
IIrc the tigremen ARE chaotic, but not obsessed with CRUSH CIVILIZATION to the level of the werstern ones, like the monkey king is a beastman but he actually took over cathay for a time and ruled and shit and presumably just try and burn everything to the ground.

We talking about wargaming or TTRPG? because I've started a whole homebrew series for that. First one is on the Barghesi, next one I'm working on is the Vespid
https://ferrus-manus (dot) itch (dot) io/xenos-minoris-dossiers-barghesi-the-ogres-of-grendl

i made some WHFB races long ago.

Now with ai i can add image to them

The Olm-Hulud are an amphibious race living in underwater caves. Most of the race is composed of Newts. Their body is skaven-sized, supported by a massive tail. The tail is their main means of locomotion, making them similar to small nagas and freeing their legs to function as an additional pair of arms. The use of four arms allows for interesting options in combat, such as dual-wielding spears. Their skin is white and extremely light-sensitive. Olm-Hulud skin secretes hallucinogenic substances which they skillfully use. They have incredible regenerative powers, allowing them to regrow entire limbs.

Newts reach sexual maturity at the age of 20 and usually live until death by old age around 140 years. However, some newts undergo a ritual called "the Shower/Baptism" which triggers a metamorphosis. They turn into a more adult salamander form; their skin darkens and thickens, with decorative stripes and patterns developing on it. The regenerative properties are lost, as well as their gills. They grow bulkier, tougher, and stronger. The process is extremely traumatic to the Newt, and their remaining lifespan is halved as a result. Usually, the Shower is used when a colony is facing danger, and Newts sacrifice their lifespan and suffer great pain to be able to protect their home. Other times, the Shower is used as a punishment for criminals.

>>96754931
You can tell the social standing of an Olm-Hulud by the whiteness of their skin. The higher the status, the less time they spend under the sun and the paler their skin. The noblest Newts have no pigments at all, making their skin and internal organs transparent. When coming to a battlefield, most of those arrive covered with linen strips to protect their sensitive skin, making them look like mummies. Some mages instead use arcane protections. Such practitioners resemble moving statues of glass on the battlefield.

One of their holy relics is a Slann mummy which they worship to the level of having names such as Vladislann and Miroslann. Yes, they are supposed to have a slight Slavic influence.

They use bone weapons with the names of the bone parent written on them. Due to hunger, many lay in stasis.

They have sacred underground plants that grow without light and provide sustenance to a small group of Olms.

Another is the faction of KOGA

A group of mutated humans and chaos dwarves decided to abandon Chaos and settled in the north of the New World. They are inspired by worst characteristics of ninja in fiction: use of poison, body mdifications and human experimentations, bloody feuds. They are few in numbers but like to use experimental tech similarly to skaven, which explains why they never expanded as a faction.


After escaping the rule of Chaos they settled in rainy regions north of Lustria. People divided into clans and there was a lot of infighting, as well as wars with Lizardmen and Skaven. The clans were composed of mutated humans but most tried to start eugenics programs and select only memebers of the clan with particular traits. After centuries clans had a stable phenotype, similarly as Skaven diverged from the beastmen.

>>96754944
AESTHETICS
Lots of pipes, bamboo, respirators, wooden hats and umbrellas. Inspired by the village hidden in the rain.

>>96729916
Better than just copy and pasting a fantasy faction into the setting I guess

We have Admech for imperial robutts
We have Necrons for xenos robutts
We have Darkmech and Vashtorr for chaos robutts
Now we need renegade non-chaos traitor robutts

>>96756759
we don't even have renegade non-chaos traitor marines
anyway doesnt votann have those

>>96756767
They have robutts but aren't quite anti-Imperium in the way I'm imagining. And the one big AI they have that went full schizo didn't even try to go skynet or anything, it just broods edgily in its empty fort.

I'm tossing around ideas for a SOMEWHAT less reprehensible Skaven splinter group, but there's a big hurdle to that idea: how do I explain why they haven't been wiped out by the Horned Rat?

>>96758821
horned rat actually weak as fuck
horned rat don’t care
horned rat wants mortals to do it to set an example
they got a new patron who protects them
they are beneath the notice of the horned rat somehow
all of these simultaneously or some other reason perhaps

>>96726691
Post a selfie? I wanna see who makes these types of replies.

>>96726455
I could see a small independent human faction of just escaped psykers and abhumans running from the imperium.

>>96719850
>>96719940
>>96720029
I like this, anon! But, should it be grimmer and/or darker in some way?

>>96721091
I like your writing, anon, and would like to read more, desu.

>>96762732
>But, should it be grimmer and/or darker in some way?
I do have some grimdarker stuff that I cut for post length reasons, and because it didn’t fit with the (very) rough narrative.
Some highlights:
>Though ostensibly meritocratic, there is definitely a major nepotism problem. The child of a knight is way more likely to get fast-tracked through squirehood than the child of a peasant.
>The blood of knights is alchemically potent, and used for a variety of purposes. It can be used to synthesize medicine, for example, but it is commonly used to dope squires and mounts.
>The decentralized pseudo-feudal nature leads to frequent infighting, and not all Courts share the same views toward other factions.
>There is a non-zero chance that Lileath is straight up brainwashing the SBs. The tight-lipped nature of her cadre of priestesses does little to engender trust.
>Some knights think they should purge the priestesses for the Eldars’ collective failure… Surely the Maiden’s human priestesses would make a worthier entourage…
>Space Bretonnia is small, and it’s only managing to expand due to a combination of surprise and usurpation of Imperium border worlds. There is a distinct conflict between the invading knights and the Imperium citizens they now rule. Emperor x Maiden offshoot cult? Maiden is Slaanesh conspiracies? There’s options.
>If the Imperium ever got a bead on SB and could spare the psykers, they might well be able to banish the mists that protect it…
>Surely the Eldar would have something to say about it if they found out a cult of humans was keeping them from one of their only remaining gods…

>>96715230 (OP)
Felinid Operators.

>>96762732

>>96721091 here. Glad you like my stuff! What would you like to hear more about, exactly? Is there anything about my factions that you really want to see more of?

I would love for a single krork to be discovered by an ork warband and having a story based around that

>>96771442
Yeah no, fuck that and fuck lorefag tertiaries that soijak out over the fucking krorks

What about a 40k faction inspired by the greys?

>>96715230 (OP)
So I'm working on these tyranids.... quick tldr
>spiders are hyper evolutionary for earth standards IRL, mimmic ants all over the world naturally as their hunters sight, sound, smell alike
>they get a hold of tyranid DNA after imperials win against a minor hive fleet
>these arachnids hail from the world(hitchiked) murder world(horus heresy novels)
>they evolve into the nids you see in pic related

Spiders are scary at a quarter ounce. These are 200 pounders. The bases are 28.5mm for the hormagaunts.

>>96775814
120 hormagaunts
30 genestealers(using human corpses tied to their backs, as the spiders scream "help!")
18 von ryans leapers (the spiders just keep getting bigger)
3 neurolictors(in mail)
1 broodlord, hyper adapted thing I forget
>2000 point list made of all D&D spiders and some bits for human bodies

>>96775829
My wife coined the name "spooders" after seeing me make them using sprue glue. I had to edit all the hormagaunts with it.....

>>96771442
>>96771952
Yeah, having a Krork running around feels a bit like having a Primarch in your army.

>>96775777
>>96748601

>>96717069
So like Globalist elites but in 40k.

>>96775814
>>96775829
Sorry, but Megarachnids already exist and are cooler than this.

>>96720917
>Isn't that just what Tau was supposed to be?
Not really, but a common misconception. They were 'supposed' to just be a new alien race. The concept guys came up with a few pitches and Tau as a mix of high tech nato combined arms and anime inspired mecha were the pitch they went with, but kroot were the runner up that they liked enough to write in lore to justify a couple of units, and from that established lore and a design space where other auxiliaries could be added, though vespid were the only other actual manifestation of that. Point being the coalition of minor xenos was very much a secondary consequence of the designers wanting to do something with the kroot idea.

>>96743698
Ethiopia might be interesting

How might an Aboriginal Australian-inspired faction look and feel?

>>96754931
>>96754935
Basically expanding on early WHFB's troglodytes, before they were revamped as the Lizardmen?

>>96715230 (OP)
I will always hold the opinion that fleshing out the existing is much better than adding new shit.
What would make me pic related is
40k
>Harlequin expanded with new units that represent the eldar gods/heroes of myth.
>a real with hunter codex and army
>mechanicum more in the HH style
Fantasy
>dogs of war army
>models for obscure fluff shit like fire goblins
AOS
>a good dwarf army

They should run a campaign on some world occupied by the Archenemy and give us lists for Imperial partisans. Lean into some lore that isn't about game breaking demigod shit. I think I just miss the obvious WW2 analogues in Imperial Armour.

I've seen ideas for Warhammer Fantasy versions of India, SEA, Japan, etc. Pitch me an idea for Fantasy Korea.

>>96801866
>more humans

>>96801888
They don't have to be. Or they could be. It's up to (You), specifically.

>>96801904
No that’s my pitch. Just make Koreans human.

>>96801866
Knockoff versions of the other factions' magitech robots like the terracotta guys and ushabtis backed up by hwachas.

give me chaos xenos. i want to see civilizations so old and cryptic than most of their planets are in ruins but they are united in their dedication to chaos
good chance to get a soup of weird aliens with weird tech and abilities
kind of like a dark reflection of the tau

Slaanesh!Eldar - Ultra-nihilist pseudo-gnostics who feel that being devoured by Slaanesh is preferable to continued existence. Largely indistinguishable from Deldar.
Tzeentch!Tau - Obsessed with rigid order and the imposition of the caste system, these dogged fanatics have a warped idea of the "Greater Good" that believe slavery to the dark gods (particularly Tzeentch) is the only way for their race to survive. Rooting them out of Tau command structures is becoming a problem.
Khorne!Orks - Or Khorkes, if you will. Exactly the same as regular Orks, except they don't get along with other Orks on account of subtly un-Orky methods of warfare. Absolutely no one else can tell the difference, but Orks insist it's obvious to anybody with eyes.
Nurgle!Tyranids - Less direct servants of Nurgle and more warp-tainted bugs that survived an encounter with Daemons and have unwittingly earned the sponsorship of the Lord of Plague. They engage in thoughtless worship of their patron, evolution engineering more and more perfect forms of supplication. Also they stink to the high heavens.

>>96802224
>Obsessed with rigid order and the imposition of the caste system
Isn't Tzeentch all about change?

>>96803570
>all about change
>just turns you into a bird every time
sure. flip the script, then. make them obsessed with bringing down the caste system.

>>96715230 (OP)
>Fantasy
Nothing really springs to mind as the setting is already quite packed
>40K
Dogs of War in SPAAAACE basically, a bunch of minor xenos and shit hired out as mercenaries for other factions
>AoS
Diggas, but in AoS, basic idea is that after Chaos took over everything, some tribes figured that since Sigmar was lame and Chaos was very bad, they will follow Gorkamorka instead and pretty much take up orcish lifestyle to survive, might make Ghur a bit more crowded than it already is but eh

>>96803570
I dunno, the imposition of order on the galaxy would certainly be a major change.

>>96733697
Corporate faggots worst nightmare, because people would kitbash the fuck out of it and they cannot make "competitive" rules (flavor of the week overpowered unit to sell) for them.
All in all it would be a marvelous faction and function a bit like human auxiliaries in HH where you could pick and choose traits, preferable with some junk vehicles as well.
>Represents high tech exo-armor humans
>Masses of non-chaos rabble
>Pirate or Raider gangs
>Rogue Traders personal army
>All sorts of militias, planetary defense forces, hordes of press-ganged forces
It would be kino, seeing how some of these 3D printing afficionados are already doing the Badab-war and seeing the human auxiliaries they're putting out really captures that feel what 40k should be about, also pretty much what those Imperial Armor campaign was about with scenario battles they describe, be it Astartes carrying out a decapitation strike against planetary governors or destroying planetary defense missile silos.

Also I really want to see what the Rangdan would look like and maybe some other Great Crusade type enemies.

>>96717069
>cult that literally eats exquisitely prepared babies at white tie dinners.
That's just your average imperial nobleman

>>96803570
he's also about knowledge but his followers are never finding answers
he's kind of a dick like that

>>96803570
He says that, but it's not true. He's actually a compulsive liar and pyromaniac, neither of which is consistently changing anything except maybe into a big pile of ashes.

>>96748304
Now that's an intriguing idea.

>>96748304
Yes, it's true. Beastmen are mutants, and mutants are not necessarily chaotic. Old WFRP lore had beastmen mercenary regiments working for the Empire.

>>96729916
Literally the only good idea in the thread

>>96814394
>bruh buh whuh if skaven...IN SPAEC!!!
>good
Lawl

>>96814447
Warhammer? In my Warhammer 40k? It's more likely than you think.

What about these guys? Could there be new factions involving them?

>>96818491
aint they already a faction?

>>96814652
There's not even dwarves in 40K, just shitty abhumans. And skaven are a pisspoor inclusion with no interesting gimmick that isn't already covered by other factions

>>96754944
attack of the ballchinians

>>96715230 (OP)
Had an idea for a faction of DAoT AIs and their clone armies. Then the Leagues of Votann came out and did it better.

>>96756759
We also have AI-driven Tau mecha robutts

What I'd like from OP's queation is actually something far more robust.
I'd like it if void combat became a thing for the regular wargame.
Like you have a game set on a voidship of whichever faction except Necrons because they don't pressurize their ships, and there's a piece of wall architecture that, if breached, will depressurize the entire playing field.

Rules for units in zero g, rules for units with pressurized suits like astartes, SoB, tempestus scions, etc. rules for units without such equipment.

It would be cool to see each faction get units who focus on void assaults, fighting outside the ship, or inside atmo-breached decks to reclaim them from boarders. Nids could get specialized organisms, basic morphs with more chitin over their fleshy bits to protect them in a vacuum, essentially a natural exoskeletal space-suit.

Space marine assault units could get special void-combat rules with their jetpacks, as well as all other existing flying units wearing pressurized helmets.

As much as many players would no doubt piss and shit in rage, I would love to see a bunch of nids/guard/orcs either get sucked out into the vacuum of space, or otherwise get wiped by the depressurization. Even if they were my own forces, the idea of "Breach the Voidship" being a major objective instead of another game of pointless Control Points A B & C shit is at least novel.

>>96715465
>Hilarity, awkwardness and/or horror ensues as your average Guardsman and your average Eldar warrior (including ex-Drukhari) are now forced to tolerate each other and cooperate on a daily basis.
I would 100000% watch that sitcom.

>Meanwhile the Lion, still cranky after his nap, is extremely pissed off by his brother's blatant display of xenophilia, assumes he got brainwashed or worse during his resurrection, and together with High Lords of Terra and the Inquisition forms a separate faction within the Empire and keeps its attitudes old school.
Conte proposal: "One is a go-with-the-flow empire builder, the other is a stickler for the rules, together they fight Chaos."

Would Lionel even be the staunchly anti-xeno leader? Dude literally has pet ayys that toddle around and bring him stuff.

>>96814447
It's more of a spiritual sucessor with similar traits rather than actual skaven much like how LoV are to dwarves

>>96718425
Nigger, I'm a fucking nogaems secondary lorelet and even I know
>will otherwise paint their armor with different cammo patters as needed
angers the machine spirit. Having to fight the assistance systems of your armor while behind enemy lines is just retarded.

>>96726735
>Tau auxiliaries
This should be the easiest fucking thing: Make one (1) box of some random ass alien carrying T'au equipment. Boom. Done.
At this point I'm convinced James actually hates everything non-marine...

>>96732907
Are you retarded? The answer is ALWAYS warp fuckery. Here is this fuckhueg fleet that was lost in the Warp for a bajillion years, here's that sector that's cut off from Terra because WaRpStOrM, on this world there's time travel which the Ordo Temporis didn't catch and now they've given themselves the power of time travel and protestantism which they had because they gave it to themselves hue hue hue hue...

>>96824681
>The answer is always "The Warp did it!"

>>96824601
J as mee who? Sorry, new here

>>96715230 (OP)
my 40k setting does away with all the grimdark ultra-xenophobia and replaces it with Mad Max/Judge Dredd dilapidation and neglect. It's post crusades and the HH happened but the Legions are still intact, they enforce imperial rule on shitty backwater planets but they still fight other factions. I don't care or know if the big E is still around because it's irrelevant.

>>96828821
This, but unironically. I think science fiction works best when all the weird shit is a consequence of one thing and everything else tries to stay true to normal physics.

>>96832453
Sounds similar to the "one big lie" flavor of sci-fi.

>>96715230 (OP)
Emperor dies.
Setting explodes.
Emperor ascends as new God.
Age of Emperor begins.
Same rules as AoS so everyone can play together.
Screenshot this, it's coming.

Space Wolves who fell to Nurgle

>>96831841
>J as mee who? Sorry, new here
Lurk moar, ESL-kun.

>>96828821
>implying Black Library could come up with anything worthwhile not involving the warp

>>96832453
That sounds a lot more like a fantasy mindset than a sci fi mindset if im being fair with ya
>>96823445
I had an idea for astronauts from the DAoT with 60s looking weaponry and bots inspired by soviet futurism. They were hyper survivalist cannibals who were skinny looking and spent thousands of years in the warp after being sent on massive explorer fleets to colonize the galaxy only to come back and find out what the fuck has happened and that they are all heretics now for being alive before the emperor and not believing he was even a real person + getting overall astonished and scared at monstrosities like the mechanicum and space marines. But than LoV came out and stole the aesthetic while mixing it with shitty pagan aesthetics