Thread 96733429

>TMNT causing longtime players to hate Magic
>not the Walking Dead
>not Doctor Who
>not Furbies
>but TMNT, a well loved nostalgia classic
Why?

>>96733429 (OP)
this is an ad paid for by league of legends

>>96733429 (OP)
The last straw

>>96733429 (OP)
I am a pig and I eat slop post came out

>>96733429 (OP)
Who the fuck plays a 5 color deck?

>>96733517
I do in pioneer and edh

>>96733429 (OP)
A handful of secret lair cards or a precon deck is easier to ignore than an entire set release. It's not that people liked the other crossovers, but that it has grown to be too much to ignore.

>>96733429 (OP)
>Furbies
The fucking what now?

>>96733540
>this is too far!!!
>*proceeds to buy it again*

>>96733429 (OP)
>joyless faggot who probably bought several hundred dollars worth of every other fucking crossover set pretends he's too cool for TMNT
>he will continue to be a slop-eating paypiggy anyways

>>96733730
Not a good comparison considering playing, making videos and writing articles about Magic is his job.

>>96733429 (OP)
Because it reminds them they're just overgrown kids spending too much money on children game. (Verification not required.)

>>96733429 (OP)
I'm not into magic really but my friends were showing me some of the cards, it's surprising how fucking awful the art is.

>>96733429 (OP)
Maaaan.

I feel sorry for the people who loved this game back when it was still cool.

But then, you can say the same for the fans of any formerly influential entertainment format nowadays.

>Sports
>Literature
>Film

All of it's shit.
But that's OK; it's a great excuse to try out hobbies that aren't dependant on constantly feeding money into a company that you low-key hate, and know even if only subconsciously, also hates you back.

>>96733429 (OP)
I like tmnt. I still have my archie comics. I still have my black and white mirage. I have a copy of the first issue. I love magic. Ive played since 93. We cube weekly now that the lgs only fails to fire commander fnms. I played competitivly for 20+ years. My first reaction to these cards was utter revulsion. Just pure disgust. Like something died and you just found its decomposing corpse

>>96733429 (OP)
>twd
Has zombies, also just not a big profile set. You can ignore it if you prefer the main lore.
>doctor who
Has lots of magic and can theoretically connect to any universe so it works ok as a small side set. You can also ignore it
>furbies
Joke, impossible to take seriously
>tmnt
A seriously done set, in a setting with zero connection to magic or the lore it has. It's so disconnected

>>96733429 (OP)
I believe someone summed it up as thus:
12 years to return to Lorwyn
6 months to return to New York

Caution: Food Analogy, but even if you like the junk you're eating if you start to choke on it you're not going to go reaching for more for a good while.

I didn't want to hate the Spiderman set, because I like Spiderman. I disliked it because it was a pretty bad set outside of one keyword mechanic and a few singles.

I have zero expectations for TMNT and they've been continually lowering. Even in isolation to the IP "Lets make a token that makes a counter at sorcery speed" feels like a joke.

>>96733858
Being a professional paypiggy is still shameful even if he gets paid for it.

>Jim Davis

So what is Riftbound?

>>96733429 (OP)
https://every.to/p/breaching-the-trust-thermocline-is-the-biggest-hidden-risk-in-business

TL;DR the straw that broke the camel's back is a measurable phenomenon when it comes to customer trust in a company.

>>96733429 (OP)
Because they were all adult media and Furbies is a secret lair

>>96734075
You can add in the factor that each of these new collaboration sets seem to be coming out faster and faster. LotR was in June 2023, Final Fantasy was June 2025, Spider-Man was September 2025, Last Airbender is November 2025, Final Fantasy is getting more releases in December 2025 and TMNT is February 2026.

>>96733429 (OP)
TMNT is shitty franchise beloved exclusively by the worst funko-pop nostalgia consoomers out there. Even as a kid I thought it was lame.

>>96733429 (OP)
They'll just release more LGBTQXYZ cards to get these fags back.

>>96733889
What do you think about the art here, anon?

>>96733575
As an Edhonlytard who has an extreme distaste for all things UB I don't really distinguish between sets playable in Standard or not, but missing Standard releases hasn't really had any bearing on me.

>>96734278
I don't really count the Christmas boxes as a separate release, but otherwise that's fair.

>>96734369
The problem with standard playable sets is that if they're getting opened in draft and for constructed, it increases the supply for other formats. Some cards explode in price over scarcity which can be a pain in the ass, though of course this does nothing for cards that are OP and sent to the moon cause everyone in constructed wants a playset.

>>96733429 (OP)
UB should be one off small releases like secret lairs.
not full blown sets

>>96734425
>I don't really count the Christmas boxes as a separate release, but otherwise that's fair.

It still showcases how UB is dominating the release schedule. I'm pretty certain that in other years the equivalent boxes would have been built out of non-UB sets.

>>96733429 (OP)
To be fair to The Walking Dead, at the very least they made in universe versions of them later on. However all this cross over shit is very tiring, the only plus side is I get to save money on magic by skipping the UB sets I don't care about.

>>96734353
No one can convince me Black Aragorn wasn't done purely to instigate fake and gay race arguments that in turn lead to "Magic the Gathering has a serious racism problem" click bait articles to generate free marketing for the set.

How long do you guys think it will be until we get a full Minecraft set?

>>96733452
Good. Magic needs a competitor worth a damn and advertising is an important part of becoming one.

>>96734666
>How long do you guys think it will be until we get a full Minecraft set?
Hopefully Hasbro collapses before that happens.

>>96734701
Given how badly Windows 11 and the new Xbox shit is going for Microsoft, its more likely that they'll collapse first which would leave Minecraft ripe for one of Hasbro's many last minute hail-mary to save the company purchases.

>>96733429 (OP)
Everyone is finally getting burnt out on repackaged bullshit pillaged from childhood toys that were also corporate churn.

>>96734353
This isn't bad because he's black, it's bad because it's boring. The aesthetic also doesn't scream Tolkien to me, but that's because we're all, to a degree, Peter Jackson brained.

>>96733429 (OP)
Content creators went insane over Spooder Man and made all the no games players think they are in good company.
Most of the e-celebs who cried about spider man don't care about them.
It's just retards on twitter and bluesky trying to earn 4chan good boy points by repeating a meme they don't even understand.

I also highly doubt most of the types constantly crying have played a game of magic in years.

>>96734866
Him being black IS bad. LOTR is supposed to be the founding myth of England. So what the fuck would a nog be doing in anything having to do with it?

>>96733429 (OP)
>>but TMNT, a well loved nostalgia classic
The other three listed were small release for specific formats. TMNT is a main set release that you're expected to engage with in every format now. I have mild nostalgia for it, but no desire to pay markups just so I can draft with my friends. A lot of the hate for these would go away if they were priced the same as every other MTG set.

>>96733429 (OP)
It's because it's not just a commander slop secret lair, it's going to be a full mainline standard set. BIG difference

>>96733429 (OP)
It's just the last straw

>>96734353
Pic related will always be my favourite.

>>96733429 (OP)
Have they done a monopoly cross over yet?

>>96733429 (OP)
Isn't this one a normal set while those were all some sort of supplementary product?

>>96733517
Nobody but they still gotta print them for community engagment reasons

>>96733429 (OP)
>not the Walking Dead
Viewed as a fluke at the time
>not Doctor Who
Relegated to Commander which is sold as the relaxed casual format
>not Furbies
Small Drop again for the Casual Commander Format
>but TMNT, a well loved nostalgia classic
>Why?
Three things
1. For the majorly of established players even if they dislike the format, on some level tsee he Standard format of the game as having different cultural expectations placed upon it that Commander which the majority of previous products of this kind were built for never had. Since the crossover content is now in standard there is a higher expectation placed upon it
2. Wizards has now gone mask off tot he point where it can no longer be denied that the game now belongs to crossover content with no real standards since up tp this year all the big releases were at least fantasy themed showing some level of care, which leads to...
3. The Spider-Man crossover just came out and it was bad, like dogshit bad and another modern day set based in New York that hits a similar tone but even more childish broke the collective cope from enfranchised players that Hasbro was the only ones to blame and that Wizards had any real restraint.

TLDR: The rot has finally breached so deeply into the game that its started to mold, and anyone who knew how it was before the rot started finally believes it can't be fixed.

>>96733517
A huge problem with modern MTG sets is they keep adding legendaries with prohibitive multicolour casting costs for EDH niggers. The cards are unusable in standard.

>>96734353
>>96735314
The ivory white Haradrim were the cherry on the shit sundae

>>96735473
I fully expect the Legendary rule to be removed for 60 card formats within the next two years. It will either go away entirely or be a tag used to denote things you can put in the command zone for EDH.

>>96733456
>The last straw
dont give straws to turtles.

>>96734188
Just another silly card game.

>>96735042
Lotr is a fictional story about tiny magic men who throw magic ring into a volcano. You got really confused somewhere along the line, my friend.

>>96733429 (OP)
>TWD
Secret Lair
>Doctor Who
Commander-only product
>Furby
Secret Lair
>TMNT
Completely standard legal full set that's taking the spot of what should've been an actual Magic set
Magic is being pushed out of Magic, representing actual Magic players being pushed out of Magic by commander players as WotC increasingly powercreeps and designs cards for commandtards

>>96735485
Why are long time players still listening to any rules changes by wotc?

>>96735557
Tolkien himself stated the intent for what LOTR was supposed to be. It's a cornerstone of culture, inserting those that don't belong there is subversive and undermining.
>African founding myth, filled with Whites and Asians
Why haven't we seen that? It's an agenda that's being pushed, solely on Whites and Asians. we wuz everything, vikings, knights, samurai, etc.

>>96735557
>teehee if I dumb it down it means you're dumb for caring
Go fuck yourself.

>>96735314
>going out of their way to cram a black guy in
kek
And they will tell you they didn't have an agenda. Nuhuh.

>>96735042
>>96735654
i mean thats kind of true. he made it because he wanted an english epic because the norse had one and arthurian legends were too christian and french. but he also said specifically that its not about anything but LOTR and if you're going to parade around his words to be a dick at least be a consistent dick. Also jesus is a fair skinned brown haired dude with a chill haircut retard.
>>96735557
kill yourself

>>96735890
>Also jesus is a fair skinned brown haired dude with a chill haircut retard.
yes that describes a lot of people from the middle east

>>96735482
The Easterlings as well.

>>96734045
TmnT actually does have some magic users in it. Mainly from shit made post 2000 though.
It also has shit that might as well be magic with the Neutrinos and Rockmen and aliens and other shit.

I seriously doubt magic is gonna start bringing the Neutrinos into the mix though.

To be fair, MtG already had mousers at one point. They just gave them arms and called them Myrs.

>>96736104
Myr are the reference to Greek ant-people (Myrmidons).

>>96736113
I hate how many people cling to Ovid's bullshit when he was clearly fucking trolling by changing all the god damn lore.

>>96733429 (OP)
>TMNT, a well loved nostalgia classic
You nailed my qualm with Turtles right here. My issue with this is that it's very forced, it literally only exists as nostalgiabait. A generation of men have collectively decided that they were gonna be nostalgic for it and have attempted to force that nostalgia on every subsequent generation. It's literally just "nostalgia: the IP" and doesn't really have anything outside of "memba da late 80s and early 90s"
it's so fucking weird. It's just a vehicle for nostalgia, that's why only manbabies are actually interested in TMNT and keep their bullshit nostalgia economy alive, and I wager that most of those guys don't actually love TMNT as much as they think but they've all just gaslit themselves into it, because muh nostalgia

>>96736259
The funny thing is TMNT has had more shows since, so that every generation has their own version of the Turtles. Its just that unlike the 80s shows the rest have been just that, shows, good shows for the most part but not this generation thing it was for the 80s kids, which makes the obsession over the 80s version even more aberrant.

>>96735890
>>96735042
I'm going to write a new founding myth, one that includes black people to reflect our current times.

>>96733429 (OP)
It's nothing particularly special to TMNT. It's just the straw that broke the camel's back. It could've been almost anything.

>>96733429 (OP)
I think no one brought up that this is the look for the lame recent TMNT cartoons?

>>96734045
>>96736104
TMNT had mystical stuff since the original Mirage run. It was like a full proper superhero universe with all kinds of stuff mixed in.

>>96733429 (OP)
>Walking Dead
Secret Lair, easy to ignore.
>Doctor Who
Commander only set, easy to ignore.
>Furbies
Secret Lair again.
>TMNT
STANDARD LEGAL CARTOONS.

>>96733429 (OP)
Because despite what 4chan likes to say, not everyone is either based or a paypig. There are degrees of awareness between the two, and the more egregious this gets the more people finally realize how fucking bad UB is for the game and get the fuck out of the trough.

Sure, some swine won't. But there was never any saving them.

>>96733429 (OP)
People who have argued in favor of UB have consistently said that people who hate it will only do so until it’s an IP that they like. But that isn’t what actually happens. Instead, with each UB release, new people have disliked it and come to resent UB as a product line. It’s different people who have hated each release, but the ones who disliked the previous releases have continued to dislike them, rather than being converted back to the herd to make up for the new dissidents.

It was always going to fall apart and I still don’t understand why the clowns in charge didn’t realize that. Not only did they not realize it, they accelerated the process by increasing the rate of releases instead of giving people time to be lulled back into a sense of false security.

>>96737051
>Not only did they not realize it, they accelerated the process by increasing the rate of releases
that’s what gets me.
mtg was already profitable but hasbro’s greed is forcing wizards to pump out sets to the point where people are regularly skipping releases because there’s too much to keep up with.
as soon as one spoiler season ends another quickly begins right after.
people don’t have the money for all this shit

>>96737051
>instead of giving people time
It's been maybe 15 years since Wizards started actually tracking player attendance through email accounts.

I'm going to suggest that despite that short timeframe that they've learned at least two things: how their lifers played at the beginning of the tracking and how long new players stay. I'm going to suggest that their lifers don't stop so who gives a fuck about them.

The second group, the new players, they know how long they will stay. Some become lifers but most quit. They only need to make sure that the new players continue showing up the same way each generation joins Pokemon and this broken husk of a community endures forever between Arena and paper - and they know how people divide their time between Arena and paper. Making a healthy flourishing game doesn't matter. Every year millions of Indians and Chinese join the middle class which means disposable income for dogshit like Monopoly and Magic.

And one more thing, when EDH was allowed to be a sanctioned event, shortly, newsletters went out from Wizards that hosting EDH led to something like 30% boosts in attendance. That is a crazy number. And it demonstrates that 60-card is going to become irrelevant and EDH is going to take its place in no time. And this will have basically zero impact on the above strategy of bringing in new players and losing most of them.

Like does that make sense? It doesn't matter if good EDH decks cost 10,000USD. Because if you look at EDH, half of the players buy precons and keep them totally intact - they are happy playing those and lend those to new players to play (and kick the shit out of). That kind of "charity" brings people in and whether or not Wizards knows that is irrelevant because they see the new player attendance so whatever the fuck they're doing works and if 60-card fucking dies because of it, who gives a fuck because paper is all EDH now.

>>96737166
This will hopefully clear some things sup
https://youtu.be/sNNqz6qNwOo
>>96737296
>EDH led to something like 30% boosts in attendance
That makes sense, for the longest time I have held that the average MTG player sticks around for 3-4 years, enough for them to build up a collection, eventually try completive formats, and gradually lose interest after rotation since they don't have the cash (being mainly high school and college students) to pivot into an eternal format
Commander negates the rotation problem and so going off the data you presented, about 30% of those players who would of stopped stuck around. This also explains why Wizards is so obsessed with extending Standard nd not banning things, rotation is the necessary evil of 60 card formats they they are trying their hardest to bury, to worse effect.

>>96733429 (OP)
We are never getting white April again, are we

>>96735557
Gaslighting nigger. You and the rest of your subversive kind should be lynched

>>96735314
I "lost" a "friend" over this card.

>>96736150
It's funny how a forced transformation vore fetish interpretation has become the definite one.

It's like Twilight coming to replace the Book of Mormon.

>>96738907
>This also explains why Wizards is so obsessed with extending Standard
Everything Wizards is doing is trying to get 100-card to play 60 or 40-card. Pick-2 draft is obviously meant for 4-player pods, Legends up the ass in expert sets, alt-art everywhere for special snowflakes. It's impossible to see anything other than pandering to EDH players.

The thing about eternal 60-card is that it does manage the rotation issue but Wizards has never fucking put in the effort - starting with Modern Masters never ever put enough cards into circulation to boost attendance. And not just that, they printed cards that rotated those formats so even the people who played had to fork over $500 for whatever batshit insane staples were now necessary. My friend spent $120 on Fury and in one week it was banned - he hasn't played Modern since. All Wizards wanted was money by forcing eternal formats - they didn't give a single fuck about keeping the formats conveniently playable. They print the fuck out of Dark Confidant - for what fucking reason this isn't 2010 nobody gives a fuck and I can tell you nobody gave a fuck about Bob then either. I don't fucking understand how they can be so fucking retarded to rotate the formats AND print staples that are no longer staples. It is the most evil shit because they're doing both things and we all fucking know it's on purpose.

I seriously don't feel entitled to Wizards keeping my pet formats alive. I don't actually believe a business has any obligation to its customers - it only needs to sell shit. But the fact that the #1 employee there has been working for 35+ fucking years on the game and just fucks everyone is some of the craziest shit I can imagine. To use the slop restaurant analogy that's like the head chef changing the entire menu to slop and THEN he tells us he wanted the spiderman mash slop all along that it was his favourite shit.

>>96733429 (OP)
Prior to Final Fantasy this Summer, the crossover slop was kept out of Standard (and thus Pioneer as well) so there was at least nominally two competitive constructed formats you could play if you didn't want to bother with this crap. That is no longer the case, the last bastion of actual Magic is gone, every officially supported constructed format is being raped by this stuff, it is unavoidable if you want to play in an even somewhat competitive capacity - you know, the way most invested Magic players play. FF got a pass from some players because the card designs were decent but spiderman is ass and right after it came out they announce next year 4/7 Standard sets will be outside-IP drivel and the first one coming up next year is TMNT. That's why it's receiving the brunt of backlash right now.

>>96733889
Its terrible photobashed digital painted slop, but its only sad because of how great oldschool MTG's art was

>>96740506
>play in an even somewhat competitive capacity - you know, the way most invested Magic players play
This isn't true man. The majority of Magic players are not playing competitively. And by that I mean not just playing to win but taking the steps to actually get better and win more.

For every person playing Standard there are 10 EDH players playing in-store with who knows how many are playing at home. And of that 10, easily half of them are playing some kind of tribal dog or Final Fantasy "I'm going to put all the 7 cards in one deck" themed deck.

>>96739217
Well at least this one isn't fucking ugly. That's progress.

What will MTGfags play now then?
You know they need to CONSOOM, so don't tell me they'll stick with sets released up to whatever.

I'm tired. I'm poor. I'm old. One day I woke up and realized these things, and then I saw companies try to court me with little nuggets of my youth. The better times. They were the ones who took those times from me, from all of us. They commodified my soul, and now they want to sell it back to me.

>>96741149
Either they will retreat into arena or start investing heavily into the 3 or so sets per year they still care about.

>>96734425
the actual problem with standard playable sets is that the cards are going to fucking suck ass, because standard is - somehow - an even more baby format than EDH.

>>96739217
Two things:
One: Don't buy the product.
Two: Think about how much worse things could actually be.

>>96733429 (OP)
>not Furbies
What?

"Actually, our market research tells us that literally everybody loves Universes Beyond sets!"
-Mark Rosewater, probably

most people I know, myself included, either hated UB on sight or were willing to barely tolerate them as long as it was kept to stupid collector shit with the secret lairs. then they kept dialing up the release schedule, until we reached a point where they make up more than half of any given year's releases and are legal in every format.

It's not that TMNT is egregiously over the line. it's just that even the people that defend UB in concept are burnt the fuck out. we literally just had a glorified new york set and nobody even liked that cause it was clearly rushed out the door in a half-baked set.

>>96735314
why is that book being stolen from bilbos house?

>>96742589
Furbies.

>>96739217
She had red hair, anon, you KNEW she had no chance.

>>96734045
>Has lots of magic and can theoretically connect to any universe so it works ok as a small side set
you have to be joking. a bunch of boring british faggots holding sandwiches and umbrellas in no way works better as a set than ninja furries

>>96742925
how many redhaired actresses are there?

>>96743006
Wigs exist. Hair dye exists. Even in cartoons where actors would be irrelevant, red haired characters keep getting niggered.

There is a ((certain reason)) for that.

>>96734198
Pretty cool article, desu

>>96743063
I see.
whats the reason?

>>96743096
Look up Esau and Edomites.

>>96735557
>a fictional story about tiny magic men who throw magic ring into a volcano
Nothing about this screams "there must be niggers everywhere!"

>>96743119
I did. and now?

>>96743232
Well, if you can't see the subtext, you're either naive, deliberately obtuse or your nose arrives at its destination 30 min before the rest of you.

>>96743006
Kristen Dunst isn't a real redhead.

>>96742744
kek

>>96742937
It also doesn't have a lot of magic at all, but anon is a turbo faggot, so.
>inb4 it-it's got magic now!
Yeah now that it was driven into the ground and soft-canceled. Fuck you.

>>96742925
To be fair, she wasn't a readhead in the comics.

>>96743240
so there is no reason and context here? got it.

>>96743284
NTA. Your time will come.

>>96743284
TA. Your time will come.

>>96734866
The incredibly sad thing is that for everything that's just a bad artistic decision, it could be worse and worse beyond that. I don't think they've put a conventionally attractive black guy in the game since Teferi, and they fucking just stole Idris Elba's face - and in that case it could have been worse, they could have given him a haircut among the worst fucking haircuts on the planet.

Like they couldn't give Aragorn good hair. It just had to be just whatever the fuck that is.

>>96738907
>This will hopefully clear some things sup https://youtu.be/sNNqz6qNwOo
No fucking way MtG should be making that much of their sales when they have stuff like Transformers and other big name toys.
Hasbro must be running their brands into the dirt and MtG is up next

>>96743830
>Hasbro must be running their brands into the dirt
as a /toy/fag, yes, yes they are.

>>96742751
Very cute.

>>96741190
your own fault for putting your soul into bullshit media franchises in the first place

>LotR is still one of the best selling MtG sets of all time and years later anon keeps seething
Can't wait for the Hobbit next year.

>>96733429 (OP)
i just don't want to see turtles in my fucking games and what's worse: we have marvel capeshit, star trek and avatar on the way and 7 SEVEN fucking products next years, is all so horrible and so much at the same time that is not a surprise people are reaching their limits.

>>96743887
>7 SEVEN fucking products next years
keep in mind that of those SEVEN STANDARD-LEGAL RELEASES only three of them are in-universe, and one of those is "Reality Fracture" which I frankly still think is at best a bunch of Universe Within reprints and at worst the grand sloppening where magic fully embraces UB by making them in-universe somehow

>>96743887
This picture doesn't make the point the author thinks it does

>>96743964
and yet addresses perfectly at the current problems with the game: porcine products for porcine audience.

>>96743982
It's a retarded image
>Thing I used to like isint catering to me anymore so it's bad

>>96743991
that's the image the coonsomer maybe have.
the reality is: "product i loved became shit for the sole purpose of greed catering to the lowest common denominator" is not a liking or not problem is a overall quality problem.

>>96743999
If you don't want Profit to be the main drive of a company you shouldn't live in a Capitalist society.

>>96733429 (OP)
Im just a casual pack cracker type, so youd think as a casual collector that these would be up my alley. But after one pack of spiderman, several packs of FF and about 3 packs of LOTR im bored with these cross overs and tie ins. Idk, i think im just tired of cross overs in general. Im a /toy/ fag and after like two years of tmnt in masters of the universe im done with turtles.
The guy at work who actually plays mtg says his group and their friends are just tired of UB in general

>>96739217
The 90s were problematic. Ew.

>>96744122
The 90s had Political Correctness, Mickey couldn't use his nunchucks for being to violent so they change it to a grappling hook in later seasons.

>>96739217
>>96742925
>>96743282
Don't tell them.

>>96744156
Wow you sure showed them, convinced us all. People will never complain about black women in media again. Why, I’m going to go out and buy a dozen of these cards, just to show them!

Its the perfect storm for /tg/ boomers who don't even know april has been mixed or black in half of her appearances. Absolute nontroversy now enjoy your Shell Raiser crewed by Aragorn, JAWS the Shark, and Spock attacking Avatar Aang the Planeswalker for 3 lolmao you fucking paypigs hahahahaha /acg/ win again

You can accept Black Elves, Black Dragons, and Captain Kirk but you can't accept a 1992 New York Pizza Converted Subway Car. Why are you so fucking bigoted?

>>96744239
One thing that will never fly: after the Grand Master of Flowers fiasco, Wizards put a hard no to UB Planeswalkers.

>>96744156
April was never mixed and never black in the original comics, excluding a single instance of a colorist fucking up, and later having his work replaced.

>>96744354
Dont worry buddy Im sure they won't renege on that promise like so many others enjoy He-Man // Prince A-A-ron the 3cmc beast overtuned for standard to juice attendance and boxes sold

>>96744370
Your comic is nostalgia bait to be inserted into the latest movie for a 5m scene and nothing more. But since youre an older fan I should thank you for the big sprawling mega franchise you couldn't get enough of you fucking worm. Cant wait to see your complaints after you buy into this set, too!

>>96744387
I haven't bought anything MtG related in over 15 years. Your move, faggot.

>>96744398
>15 years
>hes still here
Hold on let me stop laughing before I type a real response.

>>96741126
is it really progress if a cannibal uses a fork?

>>96743991
>Thing I used to like isint catering to me anymore so it's bad
yes. duh. like no shit and the sentiment is correct from every conservable angle.

>>96743999
So like what's the alternative though? That magic never changes or adapts?

Mind you I'm not saying that I appreciate the current direction but they're trying to make money and they're trying to make the company profitable. Had they still been printing the stuff they were printing in the 90s they would have gone out of business years ago

That image is stupid it's just some idiot whining

>>96744406
How much have you spent on MtG this year? Amuse us.

How about we cut the pussyfooting and talk about the issue here. I’m tired of black women and now that anime has become mainstream, I don’t have to consume this slop. The Final Fantasy set made it very clear that the Japanese actually know how to make attractive men and women, so going straight back into “wow another black woman” makes it even more obvious what’s happening.

Fucking give us a hot blonde, you assholes. A pretty redhead. A sultry black haired woman. Why can anime do it but the West fails?

You nerds make me laugh.
You whine and cry about everything and then wonder why no one wants to perpetuate this game.
It's not dying. You're killing it.

>>96744475
Yes, let the product go out of business. Let it rest, and do something else. Maybe in a decade, someone will pick it up and try something new. Many of the most beloved properties in history have had entire generations where nothing was released for them.

>>96744509
0$ because I only played based /acg/ like Little Troubles, Cookie Run Braverse, and WIXOSS (rip pedogame).
>>96744518
I'm not here to perpetuate your faggot game Im here to laugh at your rotten corpse.

>This picture doesn't make the point the author thinks it does
>It's a retarded image
>>Thing I used to like isint catering to me anymore so it's bad
>If you don't want Profit to be the main drive of a company you shouldn't live in a Capitalist society.
>You nerds make me laugh.
>You whine and cry about everything and then wonder why no one wants to perpetuate this game.
>It's not dying. You're killing it.
>I'm not here to perpetuate your faggot game Im here to laugh at your rotten corpse.

>>96744031
The problem isn't being Profit driven. It is the fact that Hasbro is going for short term profit spikes that give Hasbro's stock volatility that makes day trading stock brokers happy rather than making choices that insure long term stable profits. Capitalism doesn't mean that the days stock prices should be determining that days actions.

>>96744602
Reminder that Commander and its players are the main reason why MtG is in the state it is now

>>96744518
Since when is not buying fortnite slop a bad thing?

>>96744673
It’s not, that anon realized some months ago that “his team” are built around assuming people will deal with his behavior, and now that better alternatives exist (such as breathing clean air, eating food or watching anime) nobody has to put up with him.

>>96744633
I don't think that's the case.
From what I understand, people who play at an LGS, competitively or otherwise, were always in a minority. WOTC failed to create a format that catered to the majority and actively squeezed the LGS crowd by keeping card prices for modern staples high. Standard and draft used to be good onboarding formats but imo standard is still too expensive. IDK what happened to draft but it stopped being played around me a long time ago. I miss it.
EDH is casual, in that it doesn't really matter if you are missing cards, playing something dumb or building something extremely cheap. The 4 player aspect plays into this as well.
I would not blame the playerbase for making a format that fit their desires and I don't blame wotc for leaning into it a little.
The major problem is that wotc leaned in too much and refused to make the hard decisions that would encourage 60 card formats.
Oh and fucking over judges has something to do with it I'm sure because it always does.

>>96744541
>/acg/ like Little Troubles
stop shitting up acg with your gay shit please

>>96739217
>We are never getting white April again, are we
So >>96744673 reminded me they recently did a TMNT crossover in Fortnite. AND LO AND BEHOLD, a white April. Shredder's Revenge also had white April, from what I remember. So essentially what I'm saying is, MTG is worse than Fortnite.

>>96744715
>make 80% of standard cards commanderbait (and completely useless in standard)
>make dedicated commander sets yearly in addition to the above
>secret lair was made specifically for commander players to spice up their decks
>universes beyond was made specifically because commander players went WOW WOULDN'T IT BE IRONIC AND FUNNY IF LIKE....POP CULTURE WAS PART OF MAGIC?
>I don't think that's the case
kys

>>96744829
It’s not just “worse,” but Fortnite is a competent game made by people who recognize their fanbase likes it when you appeal to them. Magic is a miserable has-been that survives entirely on the whims of gambling-addicts, scalpers and battered housewives.

>>96744882
>>96744829
If you think about it, Magic has actually returned to being the “weird game losers play,” only the visual of what “loser” means has evolved.

>>96744874
That's not on commander and it's players. That is an unforced error on wotc's part. Mostly because due to the power level of standard in recent years 80% of cards printed were always going to be impossible to play.
But hey man if you want to blame players, you could should have organized modern/standard more at your LGS maybe a poorly organized casual format wouldn't have limped over and eaten your lunch.

>>96733429 (OP)
>Why?
You're not familiar with the concept of a breaking point?

>>96744715
>I don't think that's the case.
Then you're fucking retarded.

>>96744909
Commander players literally spend thousands of eurodollars buying this shit but apparently it's wotc's and standard/modern players' fault
why are commandertrannies so afraid of responsibility?

>>96744942
>its commander player's fault for cost of entry into 60 card format
>its commander player's fault for low FNM attendance
>its commander player's fault for the absolute shitshow that standard bans have been
naw m8. Casual mtg has always been more popular than whatever 60 card format you play. If wotc wanted 60 card formats to succeed they could have but they don't. It's not the players fault that your preferences aren't popular.
WOTC has been and will continue to fuck up EDH as well, it will be discarded for the next thing in due time. This is a systemic WOTC issue not a playerbase issue.
>responsibility
responsibility for what? absorbing some of the dogshit rares that were rotting in your binder?
Your only argument is NOBADWRONGFUN and that's sad.

>>96744140
>Mickey couldn't use his nunchucks

>>96743830
The death of Toys R Us in the US shrunk the market and the Toy market has shifted to being half the kids it once was and half adults looking for collectables, to which Hasbro never fully embraced.

>>96744998
>I'm a pig and I eat slop

>>96744998
commandertrannies
>HAHAHA CRY MORE MODERNBITCH AND STANDARDKEK WE GIVE MORE MONEY, WE GET MORE PRODUCTS HAHAHA GONNA CRY? MMM? SHIT YOU PANTS? LET IT GO, MAGIC IS OURS NOW
also commandertrannies
>UUUHHM WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT US RUINING MAGIC? STOP FUCKING CALLING ME PIG!

>>96745103
The correct analogy would be that the kitchen staff became complacent and then wondered why pre-packaged snacks were selling better than the food that had been steadily declining in quality and increasing in cost.
You like something that has been getting shittier for many many years and it upsets you.

>>96745140
There is still no real argument here. WOTC slowly killed your favorite formats and you are blaming the players rather than the people who are actually making the decisions.

>>96745145
>You like something that has been getting shittier for many many years and it upsets you.
but I don't play commander

>>96745145
No, the man had it right. It's slop. For pigs.
>>96745152
I blame the slop slingers and the pigs. Both are equally responsible for the decline of my hobby.

>>96745152
I'm not arguing. I'm just stating facts, and these facts are that commander has been a disaster for Magic and commander players need to die because they've been ruining the game for years with their shit but TMNT is apparently TOO MUCH.

>>96744475
You can change and adapt without selling your soul and becoming pop culture slurry. If a product needs to lose its identity to survive, then it's being terribly handled.

>>96735557
>it's another "liberal pretends not to understand something" episode

>>96745469
The problem, and it is all of Wizards' doing, is that the lore identity of Magic was always at best inoffensive, even from the beginning. And in-house Magic even today I would begrudgingly say all the dogshit like Aetherdrift is still inoffensive. And they have failed for decades to elevate Magic beyond being merely inoffensive.

The shift to popculture slurry is a panecea in their eyes. No longer do they have to put in the effort to fail to make Magic a brand, they can make more money abandoning it. The failures of not being able to make Magic's brand and identity good and the incredibly bad choice in pop culture to adopt (Spongebob/Ninja Turtles) are the same institutional failures perpetuated by the same leadership that has shit the bed for over 30 years in the company. All they've ever done is change and adapt, it's just that they're incompetent.

Wizards has uniquely failed to make Magic's aesthetic good - every other card game on the market, including fucking Pokemon, nails a winning aesthetic more often than Magic does. We've spouted the solutions forever but the fact is they are incapable of doing the right thing. In business it means firing people and unfortunately like I said, the people who need to be fired have been at the helm for over 30 fucking years. Any TCG manager from any game could be brought in and given Magic and the game would improve the moment the current administrations retardation leaves the pipeline.

>>96743266
Someone clearly never watched the first 4 seasons of nu-who.

>>96744156
Thats just an 80s perm

>>96745571
I understand your point but I'd like to interject and say things do not have to be popular to be good, and things do not have to be popular with a wide audience to be profitable. You can have something appeal to a niche amount of consumers and still be profitable. Magic had an aesthetic that appealed to me, and it was profitable enough to be sustainable. Chasing maximum profits and a larger and larger audience is a sickness inherent to shareholder-run companies and we would all be better served if the investor class was rounded up and forced to work in the fields for a living.

I was considering getting either MTG or gundam. I had huge respect for MTG because I remember loving the art of the cards some friends had back in the day, when my parents wouldn't even let me buy packs. A bit of nostalgia really. Then I got invited to a place some friends rent to play games and watched spiderman fighting dudes from final fantasy and warhammer and dropped then and there. I know absolutely nothing about MTG but I remember it having its own distinct art style and lore right?
Between this and the general prices and stores artificially increasing the cost of starter decks, the choice for gundam was really easy, but it's a shame

>>96745571
>>96745637
Honestly the biggest fuckup in terms of getting people to care about Magic's story was giving Universal the film rights and just letting them sit on it for a decade while doing nothing else major under the assumption that Universal would eventually do something with it.
Because of that Wizards missed out on the groundswell of collectable item shows in the early 2000s in the wake of Pokémon.

Because of that the primary way they had to convey their setting was through the 6-9 churned out book releases a year.

>>96745637
I agree with your points I just think Magic can be maximal in all things: popular, profitable, and good. It's already the first two things but it does so without being good. And to me it would have been trivially easy to be good. It could have a totally effortless thing to cultivate 60 card formats and EDH at the same time, growing everything without being at the expense of the other. It could have been easy to choose a good if not great aesthetic.

No individual shareholder or large firm representing thousands of shareholders ever says anything about the minutia of a firm's operations; those people don't give a shit about representation formats or FNM attendance that shit is so granular. And this is Hasbro, not Wizards, so the shareholders are one degree away even further.

Everything we fucking hate about Magic is not the fault of what shareholders say at a meeting or who they appoint to the board. It is entirely the fault of people who have the latitude to make the good thing without compromising anything that shareholders would care about. It is so fucking easy to see the win-win here. I know some people disagree with this but there is the "great men of history" idea that sometimes single individuals really do shape the lives of millions - and that is what we have here, there are TWO fucking people at the top of Magic that, in business, are to blame for everything. Until those fucking people go any hopes and dreams of having a maximally profitable, popular, and good game will never happen. The fucking CEO of Hasbro today used to be the head of Wizards - until he leaves and the new guy fires the two asshats in Wizards there is no hope.

And the thing that bothers me, but wouldn't bother me if it wasn't for the fact great men ignore all feedback, is that these people at the top of Wizards don't seem to care that a small fraction of players fucking hate them. Real hate, not the retarded bigoted sports team hate.

As everything is just a phase. Listen, untill Wotc makes good money out of this shit show they won't change course. The moment players stop to buy (lack of proper competition is a problem too, pokemon, yu gi ho are really different games) Wotc will have 2 choice :
1 - Kill the game;
2 - Going back on their way and giving away to player request.

In years of playing TCG , miniature games and other things I learned that change are slow. I mean let's say wizard is now aware that players have enough of all this UB and stop buying you won't see result before 1/2 years, simply because they can't change the relese/production schedule on the fly.

>>96733429 (OP)
It's more the fact that this type of stuff has escalated since the end of MotM.
At first it was cute with the commander decks and Secret Lairs, and the LotR set was at least fantasy-adjacent as was Final Fantasy but then we also got an entire AssCreed set, Spider-Man set, Avatar set, TMNT set with the new model seeming to be one main set and one crossover set alternating. Not only does it show that they're out of ideas for the actual Magic setting but that Hasbro is trying to make it so they maximize profit through IP recognition

>cards slowly losing sexy appeal, both men and women
>lot more nigger cards/race swaps being printed
>old cards being banned because muh racism
>fortniteification with star trek, TMNT, spiderman, and any other millennial horse shit

A firm reminder to always gatekeep your hobby. Trannies, women, and millennials ruin fucking everything

>>96745918
Boomers and gen x paved the way for this cultural Marxism to even be possible. You aren't without blame, faggot.

>>96745721
I know your tiptoeing around it but ill say it out loud, Universes Beyond wasn't some concept given from on high by the investors, its was Aaron Forsythe who conceptualized and set the whole process into motion, if he hadn't given the impulse form then there is a chance that it would of remained unspoken.

>>96745571
Based and true opinion

>>96745571
>Wizards has uniquely failed to make Magic's aesthetic good
I disagree with this, or at least they had a good aesthetic even as recently as 2020

Planeswalkers were a solid effort to tie colors to identities in a way that was relatable to your casual/normie fan, but then they published a trillion of them and shit the bed repeatedly by not keeping the story a grounded, character-driven drama between five personifications of the colors.

>>96745721
>>96746060

But on the other hand those "great men" wouldn't have needed to come up with ideas such as Mythics, Commander focused cards and Universes Beyond if investor pressure wasn't screaming at them to come up with more ways to make profits. Even if those two guys you hate were not in charge of MtG someone would likely have come up with and put into practice those ideas anyways.

>>96733429 (OP)
I literally just talked to two people building this right now

>>96747610
Why would anyone build it before the set itself gives us a surfeit of mutant turtle ninjas?
I mean I guess it's just do thing draw card shitpile anyway.

>>96743837
Kirkman is trying at least, but tie-in comics probably aren't enough

>>96744882
Skibidi skin when?

>>96734045
>A seriously done set, in a setting with zero connection to magic or the lore it has. It's so disconnected
If you really knew TMNT you would know that they don't just hang out in NY sewers, right in their second story ever they travel through planets and dimensions, they're one of the most adaptable super heroes ever because some things you only imagine Superman doing, others only Spider-Man, but TMNT are easy to fit in everything.

>>96744140
Like how Spider-Man TAS could never throw a punch. Yet it's still the best Spider-Man cartoon ever (and yes, Spectacularfags, Spectacular is also really good.)

>>96744511
god you people are such fags

>>96747985
seriously its hard to imagine being a fucking /tg/ loser and still finding a way to think you belong to some imaginary golden racial society

fucking retarded

>>96747985
>>96748206
>They're afraid

>>96748232
The irony of this post is palpable.

>>96733429 (OP)
Because it ate into his Garfield profits.

>>96748244
Another phobia? It's never fear, it's hate and disgust.

>>96748260
Holy shit you're retarded.

>>96748270
Reddit gold +1

>>96733429 (OP)
Universes beyond is garbage and made me swear off MtG altogether. It's a game for soys only

>>96733429 (OP)
Brand dilution has permanently fucked mtg.

>>96744511
Anime is ALMOST as hideous as black women.
Anime-fags are a cancer and I'm tired of all the trite animeslop.

>>96748411
Congrats, you're stupid AND you have bad taste.

>>96744156
That she got a perm in the original Mirage series?

>>96734866
it is also bad because he is black
>>96735890
>kill yourself
well put
>>96746039
>>96745918
blaming specific generations is really, really missing the point

>>96745590
that's irrelevant. almost no cards feature the magic shit besides satan, so clearly it wasn't an important enough part of the series to include

>>96748444
Lol. I'm at the top of the bell curve. You're in the middle. Your opinion is irrelevant

>>96748444
Based Bubba.

>>96748411
I'm not against anime in particular, it can look pretty good, but mtg doesn't consistently get great anime artists and the shit that people will pay $300 for, just because it's an anime treatment from a coomllector box, is frankly ridiculous. Picrel looks like shit

>>96750329
>Looks like shit
Looks pretty cool to me, especially the smaller rabbits in the back. You picked probably the worst recent set to showcase the allegedly shitty anime treatments, because people loved bloomburrow for the most part.

>>96750338
do you think picrel looks good? $130 for this btw and the base treatment is less than a buck on tcgplayer

>>96750364
DAMN bRAT NEEDS CORRECTION

>>96750364
I think it looks cool enough, but I wouldn't spend 130 bucks in any card. You are arguing that something looks like shit because it's not cool enough to warrant 130 bucks when NO ART would warrant 130 bucks in a card unless it was a personal commission or something.

Why don't you bring up any of the shitty secret lair cards that have terrible art and are now around the same price or more because it has a limited print of the shitty looking Amonkhet "incantations"? MTG has plenty of shitty looking expensive cards without narrowing it to a specific treatment that actually look ok to cool in general.

>>96750377
I also dislike the shitty secret lairs, though
I guess where we differ is that I just don't think the specific anime treatments I've posted look "okay to cool"... I think the base versions of those cards that go for less than a dollar look much better. I think it's an indictment of taste that people would pay three figures for those treatments regardless of rarity (setting aside that I'm pretty sure they don't see play outside of edh)
just to prove I'm not being a total stick in the mud I think the anime Ms. Bumbleflower looks a lot better (and the market apparently agrees lol $660 on tcgplayer wew!) I also think there are some good anime treatments pic related

>>96748411
You can leave the anime website you're on anytime.

>>96748232
They're control freaks, and they're really mad that people haven't knelt to them the way they feel entitled to.

>>96748411
>Anime is ALMOST as hideous as black women.
The people pushing black women in your face hate you. They hate what you are, they hate what you want, and they hate that you can continue to dirty the world with your heterosexual yearnings. They push black bitches in your face because they can get away with it. They get off on it. They love making you upset because they're demons that feed off emotion. Ragebait, clickbait, manufactured controversy. These people know what they're doing, and they get off on it because they know, at the end of the day, you have no choice but to engage with them.

And WotC was ground zero of this behavior in tabletop, dude. We've all seen it. Whenever a new rage controversy popped up, it was from DnD or MtG or another of WotC's holdings. Orcs are black. Garruk was going to RAPE Liliana. Alignment is cringe. Decolonize tables. Aragorn is black. The same face was behind these frustrations every time. These people aren't here to be your friend. They're not even here to get along. They want to conquer you, if not financially than at least mentally.

>>96733429 (OP)
The split between the online MTG Nerd community and actual real life is kind of funny.

>B-BUT NO ONE LIKES THIS! URZADIDNOTHINGWRONG1488 TOLD ME SO!
in reality
>"Is that heckin cloud strife? Give me 10 packs!"

>>96750553
Maybe they just like black women.

>>96751409
the guys in the 90s liked black women that's why they drew them hot
now you get this

>>96751504
Here's a notable exception from 2025 which was notably not a character designed by anyone working for WotC that should help people to understand the cause of this phenomenon

>>96750698
I've got a group of friends who only plays digitally and does not pay for cards. They still react to most UB shit with exasperation and exhaustion, but will occasionally talk about how a few of the cards out of the new sets can be used in their decks. They primarily care if the new cards are cool or useful.

Another group is very much a bunch of slop eaters when it comes to MtG. Any set that comes out they buy. If it's a new UB set of something they like, they buy a lot. They don't even play as much as the other group, but every time they talk about the latest crossover it's always
>haha OOPS! I accidentally spent a few hundred dollars on more cards! haha

>>96751504
I can find cute ones.

>>96751664
>Side-cut
>Black Valkyrie

>>96751677
No it's fine, not all of the Valkyrie were -

>>96751677
Still very cute.

>>96751701
>>96751664
Okay maybe there's some that aren't bl -

>>96751703
>Still very cute.
I don't care anymore, dude. Why should I hunt for cute girls in Western slop when I can find plenty of them in Anime slop? Please tell me what the West does that's better than Japan.

>>96751677
It's fantasy
just because all of the sidecut black Valkyries you know in real life are aids doesnt mean this cute one is

>>96751827
>It's fantasy
And it's WotC. You should be ignoring them on principle.

>>96751703
no, not really no
>>96751827
side cuts are not cute especially not hemp rope braided side cuts

>>96751890
I can find better-looking women in the seasonal animes that are on right now.

>>96751664
cute
>>96751701
ugly
>>96751715
ugly
>>96751890
ugly

>>96735762
Imagine being this easily ragebaited.

>>96744398
>Yet I still whine about it
To what end?

>>96752185
What’s ragebaited about that?

>>96752208
Follow the conversation
>talking about TMNT
>Sh-shut up nerd you're going to buy the MtG cards anyways!
>I don't buy MtG products.

>>96751715
>'boon bringer
come on wotc

>>96752685
more like coon cringer amirite

>>96752607
>I haven't bought mtg in 15 years
>But I will post about how shit they are in the mtg thread
To what end?

>>96750553
Alignment IS cringe though

>>96753497
You can't read very well, can you?

>>96750329
>it can look pretty good
95% of anime looks identical. Yes, 5% CAN look pretty good, but the rest is dogshit. You could show me characters from 10 different anime and I'd assume they were from the same show and possibly the same characters

>>96750499
It's not an anime website

>>96751715
Oh my fucking god it has a moustache.

>Her blades were twin beacons, calling the worthy to glory and the wretched to despair.

I swear the fucking god I can't believe we have this dogshit and not Freddy Mercury cards or something. Where the fuck is the Queen set.

>>96753717
Those are her lips.

>>96753769
I looked very fucking carefully at it before saying anything because I know how much some people here like making up shit just to rile people up.

>>96753581
>95% of anime looks identical.
This has never been true.

>>96753781
It has always been true

>>96733429 (OP)
MTG babbies are FINALLY waking up that wizards sucks and their game was a perfect template to cram any game mechanics in

>>96745765
The thing is, while it strongly hurts the OG MTG IP and their brand loyalty, Final Fantasy and a lot of other UB make a fuck load of money

They do not have to listen to grognards complaining about 60 card formats anymore. They get eclipsed by Commander casuals.

It is never steering back.

>>96754241
Once upon a time some Marvel exec asked why Marvel doesn't do crossovers with other comics replied "you do 200% of the job and you get 50% of money". I wonder IF WotC ever learns it.

>>96735557
It's a good thing I can't strangle you through the screen.

>>96736284
what's funny is that this post was made a year before Niggagorn and Niggoden lol (never forget Niggoden)

>>96743284
You will not like it when your time comes.

>>96747702
It's already in.

>>96741190
Either pick up a healthy outdoors hobby, some sort of craft or waste your time playing old vidya, things corporations can't really control after a one time purchase or a visit to the various pirate islands.

>>96754409
A month ago I wouldn't believe someone would say that, even as a joke. And someone said to me, as a joke, in response to something I said about a work of fiction that what I was talking about wasn't real.

I couldn't believe that someone would say that. Like if I was talking about how Superman can probably build a moon base for us and he was like "Yeah but Superman isn't real." I don't think I wanted someone to die more than I felt in that moment. I just made up the example with Superman but it was a similar context.

This guy was probably something like 30. I have never talked to anybody 50 or older who has said something that fucking inane in my life. It just punctuated how fucking useless Magic players were that this person can exist in a space for as long as they have in that state.

>>96744475
Ideally things should die at some point. Arguably Magic has already died, it just got replaced with a skinwalker somewhere along the way.

>>96753778
Anon, are your eyes okay?l

>>96735042
Jesus you're pathetic.

>>96739468
Sounds like someone 'dropped' a 'chud'. Kudos to him.

>>96754593
>>96754610
>>96754504
sniveling faggot
>>96754511
very true. it's not good for products and IPs to linger indefinitely.
Magic had a good run!remember the times when it was good and getting better and just move on

>>96754265
most MTG cards now are low effort, I doubt it's the case here

>>96754027
so they want mtg to be the next weiss?

>>96754241
>Final Fantasy and a lot of other UB make a fuck load of money
>It is never steering back.

Only if it turns out that the Final Fantasy UB wasn't an unusually successful anomaly. If Spider-man, Last Airbender, TMNT and the second Final Fantasy set do not generate a certain level of income the higher ups will start questioning the viability of UB sets.

>>96754464
No shit?

>>96755152
Maybe if FF was the first UB set you'd have a point, but we'd been jamming UB sets for years.

Lord of the Rings was also a giant summer set, there's no turning back. Hasbro doesn't course correct any IP, they just crash and bun like transformers.

magic: the gathering is literally, literally produced by the people who run the pornography website blacked

>>96754497
>Either pick up a healthy outdoors hobby, some sort of craft or waste your time playing old vidya
Hard to do outdoor hobbies when it's cold as fuck and nothing's growing. Don't worry, I've got plenty of stuff to occupy my time in the summer (I have a pleasant plot of land where I grow vegetables, flowers and build stuff in the workshop) but now we're in the wonderful winter months of sticking around the house. You can only clean the floors so many times!

>>96754504
Still retarded, even as a bot

>>96755327
Evidence?

>>96753569
So when you said you haven't bought anything mtg related in 15 years you meant otherwise?

>>96743057
Every quote in LotR reads like a car ad.
>It's the job that's never started as takes longest to finish.
>Home is behind, the world ahead,
and there are many paths to tread
through shadows to the edge of night,
until the stars are all alight.
>Not all those who wander are lost
>>96754452
Is there any rap battle sorcery or instant? I'd get a kick out of summoning both and using something like that, even if it didn't combo well, or even if I had to play commander.

>>96755327
Tell us more

>>96755251
It's because WotC is taking Final Fantasy selling like hotcakes as evidence that people really want more UB, when in reality it's just evidence that people want cool fantasy monsters, cool magic, and attractive characters.
They're missing the forest for the trees and assuming that merely using an external IP is what is boosting sales, rather than taking a moment to consider what that IP has that people like.