Thread 96734610

"Fuck, you crazy, fuck son, calm down" edition

>Resources:
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>TOW:
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>Warhammer Chronicles:
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>Time of Legends:
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>The End Times:
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>Alternative Models:
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>Previous Thread:
>>96718301

>TQ:
What are your expectations for returning Legacy and unreleased armies, e.g. VC, Ogre Kingdoms, DoW, Kislev? New sculpts? Returning metals? Oldhammer MTOs?

>>96734610 (OP)
>tq
don't care as long as my chorfs remain playable

>You Slaaneshites are alright
>Don't come to the incursion this season

Ogre Maneaters.
Female ones.
Leading warbands of great fat bulldyke she-ogres with pink and green buzzcut hair.
Surging over the world's edge mountains, eating people, ruining everybody's fun, telling Greeskins to stop being sexist "Boyz club", demanding the Grand Theogonist stop being a "Pay-tree-awk-al Big-hut"

This culminates in a narrative campaign event, where it is revealed that the truculent she-ogres are being manipulated by the chaos gods Tzeentch and Nurgle, in order to draw out and provoke the forces of Slaanesh into open conflict, by unleashing such ugly distemperate graceless creatures into their sandbox, that the prince of excess is forced to respond with a full scale demonic invasion into the northern Empire; this draws away Slaanesh's demonic forces from his areas of The Warp, making him vulnerable to territorial loss in the immaterium, which goes largely unnoticed by the races of The Old World, who are just happy that they are no longer being nagged to death, even if there are plenty of other things that might eat them without first boring them with moralizing sermons.

>>96734663
Did you emerge from a 10-year coma

Not many people can claim to have hatesex with their own mother. Malekith is truly a remarkable individual.

>>96734802
malekith is a slav?
respect lost

>>96734841
He is very slav-coded, right down to the black and gold hood nigga aesthetic

>>96734855
>coded

Fuuark imagine if warhammer fantasy players put in this kind of effort

>>96734610 (OP)
>What are your expectations for returning Legacy and unreleased armie
I'm expecting (hoping) we get a War With Chaos book as the 2.0 edition that has rules for Lizardmen, Kislev, Demons, and Skaven. Only one new army and 3 new balancing all at same time. And have the new starter as Kislev vs Skaven or demons.

>>96734610 (OP)
what army is VC?

>>96734938
Historicalchads win again. I would genuinely kill (homeless or immigrant) to be able to play a game of TOW like that

>>96734992
Vampire Counts

>>96735002
I feel you sister, I too would kill a whitoid colonizer.

>>96734610 (OP)
Hear me out.

Accursed Armor Wight King with great weapon and Banner of the Barrows commanding a GG with great weapons unit. S7 and T6 on a relatively cheap foot character should be fun.

>>96734992
Violent Crowns

>>96734610 (OP)
>TQ

I just want better vampire abilities when the un-legacy Vampire Counts. The ones they have feel overcosted and tepid. I miss how customizable and unique your vampires could be.

Post models.

Still have to finish off the banner, but for all intents and purposes, it's another goblin block down.

>TQ
Fuck off Cathay needs a second and third wave before we bring back shit no one wants. Or at least give wood elves something new.

>>96735092
No you're wrong actually we need Vampire Counts and Ogres first.

>>96735092
>Wood elves
I'll reiterate my want from last thread. I'd love them to get a waystone the same way beastmen get herdstones.

>>96734938
It's funny you go to a historical convention like Partizan going on right now, and all you see is tables like this, but when you go to a Warhammer convention it's just tables and tables of tourney faggots with unpainted armies

I genuinely do not understand what led to such a difference in cultures between these two wargaming subgroups. It's gotta so bad, I have proposed a narrative campaign to both my Kill Team group and TOW group and they were aghast that I would ever suggest something other than boring pickup games

>>96735092
I want Cathay to actually get a proper roster out, but at the same time, I think GW (and CA) dropped the ball hard on Cathay, so I don't give that much of a shit about them. If I had the choice between releasing the rest of the Catahy range all at once, or slow rolling the release of fully plastic chorfs or new vampire coast, I'd pick the latter, no question.

>>96735123
There is no Vamp Coast coming. The coastal rumor is regarding ghost/zombie coastal undead with no vampires. It's an AoS army that's being developed not a Vampire Coast one for TOW. The reliable AoS leaker has stated that TOW is not on the backburner and there is lots to come, but what that means, no one really knows. A roadmap would be nice.

Tow likely wont have anything major for the undead until maybe 3 years later

>>96734938
>>96735002
denounce perry twin miniatures

>>96735149
>There is no Vamp Coast coming.
Not saying there was, merely that it would be nice if there was. A general road map would be nice, though. I'm not asking for anything concrete either, just a loose direction for TOW over the next few years. It's kinda shit being left in limbo.

>Vamp Coast is going to AoS
Fucking why? A faction like the vamp coast doesn't work with the whole elemental realm thing AoS has going on.
>Let me take my rotting wood ship to the plane of fire.
Great fucking idea.

>>96735233
AoS has Muspelheim? Does it share much with Germanic myth?

>>96735233
>Let me take my rotting wood ship to the plane of fire.
Don’t vampire coast use like, literal ghost ships?

>>96735055
>I just want better vampire abilities

Same.

>>96735102
That would be nice to make eternal guard not total shit

>>96734802
Do we know how old Malekith was when this incest began?

>>96735233
>Fucking why? A faction like the vamp coast doesn't work with the whole elemental realm thing AoS has going on.
They aren't getting Vampire Coast. They are getting coastal undead that explicitly has no vampires in it. Zombies and ghosts.

>>96735089
Very vibrant; I like looking at these.

>>96735032
Your ancestors tried, I think they were, like, too dumb and gay and weak or something? I dunno, how do people usually end up conquered?

Did they ever make the grail reliquae in resin?

>>96735572
>I dunno, how do people usually end up conquered?

There's a multitude of factors that go into it. Sometimes there's overwhelming tech disadvantages. Other times a more advanced culture will get run roughshod over by a more motivated and aggressive outsider culture, especially if the former culture is divided or its people unmotivated to fight the invaders. History, for better or worse, does not actually operate on "the strongest always wins".

It’s gonna be another one of those threads innit.

>>96735644
I'm sorry, even with ToW being so much lighter in points on average I don't have a lot of people to play with. So I mostly theorycraft armies while I lament my beloved Vampire Counts being stuck in the legacy box.

Seriously why are all the fun villain factions legacy?

>>96735656
Orcs and Gobbos are THE fun villain faction guy

>>96735665
You know, fair. But VCs and Skaven stuck in the legacy box? That's just sad.

>>96735032
You're welcome for basically every piece of technology you've ever used, man. Wish we hadn't shared, our ancestors were far too kind in uplifting you all.

>>96735671
I'll agree both seem odd to have binned. But I also see what they were thinking. Tomb kings instead of VC gives you the undead faction and a more visually interesting army. Beastmen are more generic than skaven but also a more grounded one. Skaven break the mold of fantasy because their setting presence is overwhelming. They aren't a simple threat, they are a global one. Orcs can become global if things snowball, as can kings, as can Bret's, as can Cathay, etc. but skaven start at global threat and job downwards as a balance. Skaven could legit be the last legacy army fixed because of that

>>96735754
>Brets could be a global threat
Mind explaining this one to me? I can understand Cathay because of their dragon gods TK because battles would result in more dead to raise as well as Skaven and Orcs because they multiply so quickly, but I can't think of a reason for Brets.

>>96735763
French can pass their diseases

>>96735763
>because battles would result in more dead to raise
I don't think kangs raise the dead of the enemy

I've been trying to find old metal long beards and hammerers but I've had no luck with the long beards. There's a website Irene something that has them as recasts but the site doesn't seem secure. Is it a known vendor worth trying? Almost no one online has feedback on them. Is there anywhere else to look? eBay prices are absolutely abysmal when they're ever even available.

>>96735763
Bret's could if they ever got a good leader and worked for a proper goal.
>>96735819
Yeah kings are a neat undead faction. They still have living people volunteering for some armies. Their magic just allows their soldiers to be reanimated forever so long as their lord survives. And some of the border kings have living citizens and treat them well.

>>96735763
The most generous description of brets is a cavalry lance shaped intercontinental nuclear deterrence .

>>96735839
>frog shortage in Bretonnia
>time to eat Slann.jpeg
>thousands of ships land.mov
>millions of horses thunder into the jungles of Lustria.mp3
>mountains flattened under hoof, lizards skewed by the dozens.mp4
Based as fuck.

>>96735002
Your ancestors tried, I think they were, like, too dumb and gay and weak or something? I dunno, how do people usually end up conquered?

>>96735614
>one group wins again and again, repeatedly, against every other group it encounters
>this doesn't mean they're stronger or smarter or better or anything though

>>96735111
Eugh. What a depressing gay game, there are like 20 models in each army and they're still painted to a dogshit standard.

>>96735249
>AoS
>taking any inspiration from history, mythology, WFB, or anything interesting other than gay generic Dung&Dildo millennialslop and Korean MMOs

>>96735763
Bretonnia is a constant threat to the Empire in their border regions and would conquer them if they could. From there, they could easily fan out and conquer the Old World, especially since their navy is the best in the world second only to DE and HE.
>>96735772
You joke, but the Red Pox is a huge deal and genuinely does pose a Black Plague level threat. That's the key reason why Mousillon is cordoned off instead of being easily purged and reconquered, they have the Red Pox in their water supply and it's highly contagious.

>>96735002
You can just play a game like that anon. Literally nothing or noone is stopping you.
>>96735249
>>96735962
The basic cosmology behind aos is loosely based on norse myth. 8 realms instead of 9, based on the winds of magic, sigmar goes from a thor-like figure to a more odin-like one (even trades his hammer for a spear), and collects worthy warriors (stormcast/einherjar) to wage war on the great enemy (chaos/surtrs lads). It's much more mythological fantasy compared to whfb's high/dark fantasy. At least it was at it's inception, I think they've tracked back a bit on that.

Handgunners

Cathay being stupid overpowered kind of took my desire to play this game away.

Post games and painted minis.

Played a game of Old World, but this time we tried using 6th ed magic spells.

We only used the spells and not the entire casting system.
Knowing which phase each spell belonged to was fairly easy to figure out.
Just read the spell to see what it does and put it in the appropriate phase.

It was interesting and gave us much more flavour than the bland spells we have now.
Casting value for the spells was really low and easy to cast, so that needs to be looked at.
I think we will try some more games with them and tweak the casting values.

>>96735089
Here you go Anon, finished this detachment yesterday.

>>96736283
Sure, no problem

Is the free company militia just a recycled Mordheim sprue like the night runner one?

>>96735089
Ok. Here is my Orc Big Boss.

Tomb Kings so far

>>96734610 (OP)
>TQ
I'm not sure GW is evil enough to release Kislev as an entire MTO faction with a couple scale mismatched plastics like an ice guard kit but it wouldn't surprise me. Not that the 6th kits are bad but 20 basic bitch kossars coming in at $100 is a little steep.

>>96736405
>only new kits are bears, heroine on bear, giant ice bear, ice sled bear cannon, and ice bitches

>everything else is mto old models and an army of renown to deploy cathay infantry and cavalry units in your army

>>96736405
Very unlikely. Every faction gets a battalion box. A battalion box that contains metal or resin models is unheard of. Plus Kislev is Total War army. They want models to resemble their TWW versions.

Since TOW is, undeniably, dying a fucking miserable death and will like get Squatted a second time soon, what game will you be moving onto next anon?

>>96736382
if you get the opportunity touch up the tide marks with the base colour and detail up the patterns on the ushabti and important dudes but otherwise fairly good start so far

>>96736430
>batallion box is 40 ice guard and an elemental bear
I want to believe you anon but we're talking about a god damn dracula black company here. I guess it all depends on Cathay's success relative to MTOs.

we have Cathay at home
>Mantic see GW have humans turning into dragons and think people must want furry chinks
lmao

>>96734938
why are they fighting in front of their castle? are they stupid?

>>96734938
That's side decoration, the actual play area is blank

>>96736462
>Rat looking Chinks trying to cosplay as Samurais
How fitting... The armor doesn't look very Chinese though. Armor looks more Japanese.

>>96736495
i think their more meant to be Mongols

>>96736495
>>96736559
Probably grabbed whatever style could pass and be used for any type of oriental fantasy.

>>96736495
They both wear lamellar armour

TOW is finished
KOW won

>>96736655
The kow century is upon on. Gw lost the mandate of heaven
shitposting aside these all look like shit. I guess the general is passable but whew

>>96736405
Btw, half of those Kislev minis are actually from 3rd edition.

>>96736461
Anon, we know GW worked on Kislev new army - because they showed us the concept art at the dawn of TOW. I don't know what pushed the project back - covid or Ukrainian war (or both) - but they were working on it. So if they didn't release the army - it's because of other reasons than lack of models.

>concept art means an army
40K would have so many glup shittos if this were true

>>96736783
they already got thousands of glup shittos

>>96736655
>chinkoid furries

>>96736655
I prefer this take on cataphract armor more than what Cathay did with scales.

>>96736678
the fact someone okayed a 50k investment in each mould is astonishing

>>96736655
all those memes about chink warfare cannibalism make sense if half the race was some kind of dog

>>96735111
>when you go to a Warhammer convention it's just tables and tables of tourney faggots with unpainted armies
Funny, I went to a Warhammer convention last weekend and the most unpainted stuff I saw in one place was <10 unfinished bases (minis still painted). Then again, it was an oldhammer event with people playing 3/4/5ed with Fimirs, Zoats and other assorted weirdness seldom seen on the table, and many fluffy/themed armies. It might be just a FOMO neweditionfag problem.

>>96736346
Yes, without the upgrade sprue.

is 10mm fantasy a thing? 2mm? any smaller scale. itching for a game but moving 200 models is a pain.

>>96734610 (OP)
whys he doing the diddy face

>>96736880
Oldhammer is a separate hobby. No pics, though?

>>96735089
Been working on the details of my dragon's head.might do the base next, after the dragon.

>>96736655
That's a dog with breasts.

Started working on some scatter terrains for Sylvania

>>96737134
forgor pic

>>96737131
competing with cathay for bad bitches I see

>>96737030
>ever paying for GW resin

>>96736929
Warmaster is a thing and has a lot of 3d prints and free rules available

I am about to start collecting Empire as Marienburg; would 20 to 30 Spearmen and two 10 to 15-man Halberdier Detachments be a good idea for a Regiment? I was thinking of two of those for the main line, with a unit of 15ish? Greatswords and an embedded Captain BSB between them. Furthermore, two Great Cannons and one or two regiments of Crossbowmen and/or Handgunners to go on hills or other suitable vantage points. I do want to take some Pistolieers because I love their English Civil War vibe, but doesn't Impetuous make them likely to kamikaze themselves before they can do anything, due to their charge range?
Any suggestions or comments? I do want to take magic and mercenaries, but don't know how I can fit them in.

>>96737059
That is extremely nice so far anon.

>>96737280
Give up and collect Cathay instead

>>96737295
I want to make a small ally force of them; a little merchant escort, with an accompanying caravan wagon or chinese junk, to cooperate with the Marienburgers.
But I like Empire. I want my fantasy dutchmen to sail across the world for profit, VOC style.

What AoI are gonna be in the Dark Elf Arcane Journal?

Just finished reading the Beastmen Brayherds Journal and i really love it. This feels like a return to 6th edition where Beastmen were not diet coke warriors of chaos like in 7th onwards but the real quasi innsmouth style folk horror "mans shameful secret they thought was forgotten but remains lurking in the woods, angry at their abandonment" kind of deal. The whole idea that they are pure chaos undivided but because of that they know they will never get all the praise humans get from dedicating themselves to any singular god to further reinforce they are anomalies with no natural place in the world which drives them to madness and destruction in a way i feel they really lost after 6th. Of all the journals i've read so far this one feels like a real return to form.

Guys

>>96737478
Kitbashers are going to reach a level of autism not seen since 5th edition.

>>96737478
they cant just steal dark elves gimmick

>>96736283
Had a 1000p pitched battle game against Vampire counts today with my beastmen.
It was fun, dice rolls were good and bad, but in the end I lost the game, but it wasn't a total stomp and much fun was had.

By the end of the game my beastlord was a killing machine due to Gaze of the Gods not failing me once, he was still on the battlefield too (albeit fleeing) when the game was over.

>>96737478
do wonder when they will show off that Marianburg book

>Tons of locals act excited about TOW
>Do 3 games when it first releases
>Buy all the books
>Local players ghostmode or talk about hating TOW
>Sell my books on eBay
>People start talking about doing TOW again

>>96736481

Pretty easy to see a relief army trying to take out a besieging army. And remember that during a siege you have a bunch of people crowded together in one place so you're going to go through food fast and a disease outbreak can kill tons of your men. Sometimes getting the fight over with was the best course of action.

>>96737478
kino

>>96734938
I denounce Perry Miniatures, total perrykike death

>>96735092
>Cathay needs
Nothing, that shitty abortion needs nothing

>>96737368
There were a few variant lists back in 6e
>city guard heavy on mixed spears and xbows and bolt throwers
>all cav northern tower force
>cult of slaanesh
Any of those could be easily revived, could also do a corsair theme force which would probably be the most common kind in this timeline.

>>96737478
who's best for lustrian dinotopia? bretonnians or imperials?

>>96737478
Brets have an underrated long history with lustria actually
>arrived there before marco colombo, which is why the skink that greeted him did so in bretonnian
>most fiercely hated enemy of the slann in the early editions when the slann were an army without lizards, because a starving bretonnian ate a mage priest's legs
>5th ed starter set was lizards vs bretonnians because they had a colony in lustria
>multiple back and forths: young nobles seeking to slay exotic beasts, old nobles sending their sons to be slain by exotic beasts because too dumb to be left with any inheritance, brets stealing carnos eggs and it hatching on the ship on the way home, cue jurassic park 2 final act

>>96738055
Its quite obvious just how inspired andinto the world writers were back then..like William King and Gotrek. After King it all went belly up.

>>96738068
the guy who wrote most of the stuff about lustria was very inspired by his many (emphasis) lone trips to tropical third world countries

>>96738088
No shit, really?

>>96738088
GW didn't really use much of Richard Halliwell Lustia though, the Lizardmen are completely different for one thing

>>96736346
>like the night runner one?
Thanks anon, I wasn't aware this one was a thing. Any other Mordheim remnants in store, whether available now or recently OOP (will be getting from some LGS anyway)?

>>96737549
so you got the books and everything with no interest of your own?
pirate the books at least next time you get into the newest fad

>>96737617
The perry bros created the warhamer fantasy aesthetic, dip shit newfsg lmfao

>>96736652
Not an awful sculpt ruined by TRYING TO PAINT EYES ON A 28MM MODEL, FUCKING WHY??!?!?!

>>96736718
Not because I didn't believe you, but for my own curiosity I looked it up.

First ever photo I could find of the kislev mounted archers was in White Dwarf #144, December, 1991.
Not advertised but featured in the very back in an Eavy Metal battle diorama.

They weren't available for purchase until White Dwarf #148, April, 1992.

Warhammer Fantasy Battles 4th edition, released with White Dwarf #154, October, 1992.

So for customers they were part of 3rd edition for about 7 months. But for the people working at GW, they were probably around for about a year.

So yes, they are technically from 3rd, but at the very absolute tail-end of that edition.

>Post games
Ok, just had a 3k game to finish off a campaign that I've been running at a local store, was absolutely fantastic, and the campaign was well enjoyed too. Here's set up, it's Empire with Ogre mercanaries vs WoC with Daemons. The winner of the game, and the campaign was whoever occupied the Witchfate Tor at the end of the game.

>>96738356
Here's end of round 1, sorry for the blurry picture. some reasonably cautious movement from both sides, the Chaos knights on the far southern flank had a couple of models plinked off, they then declare a charge on the Archers who F&F'd another one to death. The Mortar scored a direct hit on the Marauders and killed nearly half the unit in 1 go, but otherwise shooting was pretty tame in turn 1. The only units that ended up in combat was the Khorne hounds and the demigryphs on the far northern flank, these guys would end up duking it out for the entire game before the Demigryphs eventually won.

>>96738387
End of round 2. The big swordsmen unit moved into the tower, which they'd hold all game. The southern flank collapses for Empire with the 2 remaining knights taking a decent volleygun shooting and only losing 1 model. The War wagon and the chariot get stuck into eachother however the war wagon doesn't do enough damage with impacts so they remain stuck together for pretty much the entire game. The Ironguts also took a flank charge off the Chaos Ogre and got annihalated, they fled and got run down. Behind the tower a unit of Mournfang charge a Giant and do 4 damage on the charge, taking 2 wounds from stomps in return. The Bloodcrushers fail their impetuous roll and have to charge the Archers who F&F as well. This game is starting to look pretty good for Chaos.

>>96738416
Forgot the damn picture

>>96738426
And here's teh alternative perspective

>>96738433
Who's the giant arsed fellow on the daemons side? A bloodthirster?

>>96738433
Damn I forgot to get any pictures but basically the Mournfang kill the giant, chew through a unit of Bloodletters and Chosen before ending up in the flank of the big Chaos Warrior brick. The Daemon Price messes around a bit before eventually destroying the Halberdiers and Wizard. In the south the Helblaster detroys a chariot before getting overrun by marauders and the remaining knight, said knight also overruns into the Handgunners and wins combat and runs them down, but only tanks to the horse doing a wound. However Rugluds manage to rally and fight off the remaining Maruaders (who got direct hitted by the Mortar again) and the War Wagon eventually wins its combat with the Chariot before going after the big Chaos Warrior brick too. Meanwhile in the centre the Steamtank catches the Chaos Ogres in the back and destroys them and runs them down, before plowing into the Bloodcrushers, which it also eventually kills, and the remaining Chaos Knight that charged it in the rear, although unfortuantly the Daemon Prince overran into it and fucked it up in like 2 turns with its D3 multiwound weapon.

>>96738451
Khorne Daemon Prince, my opponent even agrees he might've printed him a little too large haha.

>>96734938
Fantasy players put in that kind of effort all the time, you're thinking of tourneyfags which is it's own separate thing. Now piss off with yer historical garbo

>>96738487
The Mournfang Chrusher gets KB'd in a challenge with the Chaos Lord but it's too late, the War Wagon plows through much of the unit. Next turn they challenge eachother (I should've said it's an Engineer on a War Wagon but eh) and the fucking guy with the Mancatcher KB's the Chaos Lord. Meanwhile the 2 remaining Orcs in Rugluds unit shoot their Crossbows at the Daemon Prince and manage to chip his final wound off him (The odds were ridiculous, 5's to hit, 6's to wound and then he failed both his 4+ ward and 5+ Regen). A suitably ridiculous end to a campaign of Old World, and whilst I feel a bit bad for my opponent that his characters went out that way it was pretty clear he had lost by this point anyway and he enjoyed the silly ending.

>>96738327
>doesn't know the one specific yet important reason the Perrys are so badly received here
>calls others newfags

>>96738356
What rules did you use for Rugluds Orcs or was this a 6th ed battle? Thanks for the report. I think Mournfang Cav are way too strong as of now in TOW.

>>96737030
If only there were some other place to get it. Oh well, I guess you'll be left in the dark on these miniatures.

>>96738701
Homebrew, this. Yeah Mournfang are really good, but WS3 and having to choose between an actualy decent save or AP hurts them, Cannibal totem is a total no brainer on them though.
>PDFs have been totally removed from 4chan
Fucking retarded.

>>96738502
>Fantasy players put in that kind of effort all the time
Do you have even one single example to prove your claim?

>>96734938
Imagine if you put in the effort to play any games at all for any system

>>96735002
In an empty field with a castle backdrop?

>>96735763
They blew up the moon

>>96736462
You have to assume that GW pay the mantic ownership some kind of stipend to keep shooting themselves in the foot with the largest calibre metaphorical weapons available

>>96736462
Last time mantic launched an edition, GW announced TOW to rain on their parade.

Hopefully they do something similar again.

>>96739195
they've expertly rained on their own parade with this release

>>96734610 (OP)
I pray for returning metals especially the mordheim range (I hope the molds werent just chucked in the trash) .

New border princes army seems cool, we gun wizard now.

>>96738502
No sorry, I'm a Warhammer fan, but I have genuinely never seen a warhammer setup with this much effort outside of Warhammer World dioramas. It's true historical boomers simply put in more effort, and that's okay. Different hobbies for different people.

>>96738767
Where is this Adrian Smith are from? Which books?

>>96739286
Hi,

Look for La Posada del Martillo on YouTube ;)

>>96738112
No, the only Mordheim stuff still in prod is the night runner sprue and the free militia one since it made a come back with tow.

>>96739332
Pity. I guess I'll grab one of each in case the Mordheim mood strikes me.

>>96739129
>Empty field
A beautiful field, actually

>>96739286
I've noticed personally that historical boomers are almost more into the terrain/diorama building than the actual game or even the minis. Seen this mostly with napoleonics. Kind of how to a lot of people the painting part of the hobby takes precedence over the game itself, but like a level of abstraction even beyond that. More power to them though.

>>96739398
As someone who moved from GWs games into historical, that's not entirely it. Most of the people who play historical games have a higher degree of commitment in the sense that you can't play with unpainted miniatures (sure you can, you'll be just frowned upon) and take research more seriosly. Hell, I've seen people arguing because one of them painted his soviet trench coats in a slightly off (historically speaking) tone of white. Also, historical gamers tend to be older, so more experienced and passionate about the game. Again, this is how I see it as someone who has experienced both sides. Much prefer the latter tho, they're much friendlier people than 40k or sigmar people

>>96739286
Cognitive bias

>>96739317
>Which books?
It's from a TCG. Sabretooth made one for fantasy and 40k: WarCry and Horus Heresy.

>>96739286
>No sorry, I'm a Warhammer fan, but I have genuinely never seen a warhammer setup with this much effort outside of Warhammer World dioramas.

Woah it's almost like you're primarily interested in something to look at rather than engage with.

>>96739375
Anon the only difference between this and any other game is that the map is made of tiles rather than a place mat.

>>96739450
>Again, this is how I see it as someone who has experienced both sides.

Looking at pictures of other people's games on the internet is not "experiencing both sides"

>>96739499
Dude, at some point you've gotta stop acting as if everyone else behaved like you do. Just because you don't go outside doesn't mean everybody does the same

>>96739475
do wish a lot more of the Warcry and Invasion art were more readily available on the internet

I've seen some people do autumnal forest bases using shredded coconut fibre, does that stuff not age or go rancid or something?

>>96739508
Maybe if you shared pictures of actual games you were present for instead of Facebook rips and talk about anything besides asthetics I would give you any respect anon.

>>96739537
A selection ended up int the artbooks. The Art of Warhammer and The Horus Heresy Collected Visions.
By far not all of it though. I think they only used pieces by studio artists for the most part.

>>96739129
>empty field
we are not the same

>>96739375
That’s literally a diorama or at least a scenic game since the placards in the back reads ”battle of [someplace]” since it is hard to read.

Also post your WH:OW minis, please

>>96739607
Here are my Empire troopers engaging their rival province for control of a contested bridge

>>96739575
Those art books are a bit hard or pricy to find these days, aren't they?

WIP of a hero and helblaster crew. I feel dread for comes after them and a volley gun. Nine knights panther with a grandmaster.

>>96739538
People use coffeegrounds and spices and herbs for basing as well. As long as you seal it with pva or some kind of varnish it should be fine.
People use coconut fibre for model trees and bushes all the time as well and I never heard of anyone having problems of that sort.

If you think about it sawdust type flock would have the same problems if you kept it somewhere damp. Just store your models somewhere dry and around room temperature.

>>96739575
>>96739633
If GW did an artbook that was ALL encompassing of the artworks they ever used in their publications and licenses I'd pay thousands

Stop replying to perryfaggot.

>>96739633
They were never cheap to begin with, really. If you check the pdf thread or poke around the internet you should be able to find digital copies though. Hell archive.org might even have them.

>>96739647
I heard stories about original GW art ending up in the dumpsters behind the building. So they probably couldn't even do that if they wanted to.

>>96739647
It would also be too big for a book

Retards engaging with Perrynigger deserve what you get

>>96739632
Impressive, very nice. Let's see your battle mages.

>>96739632
>fully painted army
>actual terrain
I see why this perry lad makes them seethe

>>96739644
This is the sort of thing i'm looking at and i worry varnish would make a fucking mess of this.
>https://youtu.be/weGNurISnwk?si=gzQYq6K3p4petZwF&t=180

>>96739632
>my empire troopers
Which one are yours anon?

UPDATE: Anon has a major announcement regarding the Tomb Kings vs Wood Elves choice dilemma coming up soon

>>96739644
>seal it with pva or some kind of varnish
I sealed mine with varnish and it feels really flimsy. It's not fallen apart of anything but is the PVA better?

>>96739632
I love bills, such an underutilized weapon in fantasy

Reminder to ignore perrynigger and his samefagging and report for off topic.

>>96739944
>>96739698
>>96739657
Salty (You)s taste the best

Decided to go with Tomb Kangz because love skeletons and need something simple to paint after doing Death Guard. What am I in for?

>>96739918
in terms of durability absolutely. It's liquid plastic. PVA stands for Polyvinyl Acetate. Anything fibrous is gonna suck it up and become a piece of plastic itself, basically.

>>96739985
Lots of mould lines. An ungodly amount.

>>96739632
I said playing a game not a diorama

>>96739587
Other than astethics it is quite literally the same.

Than again you're no interested in games anyways so this a waste of time

>>96739632
Remember when you tried soliciting nudes from men online using your nudes, or the time you doxed your own family perry fag?

>>96739985
assembly hell and then sadness when you realize you assembled the box contents wrong, the chariots and horses are worthless and the GW brand dice only roll ones.

>>96739991
Oh man…you weren’t kidding

>>96740019
The horse archers seem quite good, chariots are kino.

>>96740024
They are simply to paint at least, but yeah, a lot of mold lines

In a game about pushing blocks of infantry regiments around a table with a ton of scatter terrain is not really practical, but also not something suggested by the rulebook.
Battles would take place in an emptry field, so why is that even something people argue about? It's not a skirmish game. It's a wargame with armies on battlefields.

>>96740044
That's the main reason why I went Tomb Kings. That and I love skeletons. My first Fantasy army as a kid was VC (foolishly sold them off as a teenager) and I love painting skeletons. Super simple. Especially compared to the hell that is Death Guard painting for 40k. Trim fucking everywhere and all the models are unique.

>>96740051
And battlefields aren't just all plain fields anon

>>96739632
Why the FUCK do you RUIN OUR general?? WHY are you not FUCKING up some gay faggot general like AGE OF SIGMAR or 40K! This was a GOOD THREAD before you came to FUCK it up you DOUCHNOZZLE. I can't even STAND coming here anymore, FUCK

Sincerely FUCK OFF,
/wfg/

>>96740051
don't bother arguing with that stupid faggot

>>96740081
Get a load of this guy

>>96739988
Does it change the look of the pieces? Or do they stay pretty similar structurally and visually?

>>96739985
Anyone know when the new TK and Bret Battalion boxes are coming out?

>>96740330
Have you finished painting all the models you currently own?

The day has coime - shoud I equip my demigryph knights with lances or halberds?

>>96740379
What do you think is cooler?

>>96740379
For me it's halberds because imagining them using lances isn't as natural feeling.

>>96740383
>>96740388
Is there a consensus which weapon is better for demigryph knights?

Thanks to everyone who's actually posting games and minis, it warms my stone cold heart.

>>96737280
I'd say that's a decent base. My only worry is that those 10 man units of halbards will explode to pretty much any ranged threat, but you just need to deploy them carefully. The greatswords are in an odd space for the same reason, as they can't really stand up to mass shooting as a 15 man unit, and will get hammered by magic missiles. I'd argue to either bulk them out to 20 or use their points to get another hammer unit that's on the cheaper side like flagellants. Pistoliers are not phenomenal for the reason you just described, but all orcs suffer from that and stuff like wolf riders are still taken, so it's really down to personal discretion as to deployment and how badly it'd mess up your game plan if they got mauled.

>>96740416
Yes, whatever you think is coolest

>>96740051
AoS does lack terrain rules but normally games base scenarios around them: wading through rivers at lower speed, being disadvantaged from a lower point of relief, etc
AoS lends itself to warmachine style 2D templates because there's no rules for anything else and no rich narrative scene encouraging the opposite

Is there any reason why I shouldn't equip a whole squad of black orcs with great weapons?

>>96740650
You're missing out on Motley Crew jewish trickery

>>96734610 (OP)
>TQ
VC probably won't come back, at least as it was, GW is too autistic about mixing between systems. I think TOW will eventually get Vcoast as its distinct version. Had a cool idea of them focusing on Necrarchs as the TOW bespoke vampire faction, more focus on their flesh golems and other creations over traditional undead.

Kislev is being murmured about as being soon, so that'll be cool to see, unless they make it retarded or boring like they did Cathay. Hopefully they keep it more grounded and don't flanderize it with bears and glowing ice crystals

>>96740766
>Hopefully they keep it more grounded and don't flanderize it with bears and glowing ice crystals
Please God no retarded magical ice sleds like in TW WH 3

>>96734610 (OP)
Tried out the new Battle March rules last night with my dwarfs vs my buddy's VC (he's working on it).

Cute little way to play the game and is super quick, great if you don't have 2+ hours to spend, and its surprising what you can fit in it with its restrictions and exceptions.

>>96740785
The concept art drafted by the actual GW designers didn't have the ice, I imagine the stupid ice was a graphical workaround or something, similar to Greasus' wheelbarrow.

>>96740791
That looks so grim

>>96740842
>p
My dwarfs actually won, his vampire challenged my thane, missed all four of his attacks, then my thane turned him into red mist on the attack back. Was a really good game though, I didn't think I was going to win.

>>96740858
idk why it did a random p there

>>96740841
That's much better. Hopefully you are right about it being a technical limitation.

>>96740841
how do they load it?

>>96740967
I would imagine they detach the bear saddle from the cannon and dig it into the earth prior to firing.

>>96740841
it would be funny if it shot right up into the bear like that

>>96740766
>unless they make it retarded or boring like they did Cathay
Have you seen Total Warhammer? The answer is yes it will be retarded AND boring

>>96740791
I like it a lot, I have to get the pics from my friend but we played on a somewhat terrain dense board. Dorfs Vs Gobbos and I was kind of shocked by the amount of bodies he was able to bring at 750. Max fanatics for two thirty gobbo blocks backed up by black orcs was retarded.

>>96741171
Yeah, and the single allowance of a “one per 1000pts” option goes a long way in making a little list like that flavorful.

>>96740791
How does it work? I can't find any info anywhere,

>>96735111
As much as I dislike whfb tournaments and what the tournament scene has done to the hobby in general in the past few years; i don't think I've ever seen a tournament that let's you play with unpainted miniatures, let alone armies.

>>96736336
At that point why even play? The game is not that good to justify playing it without partaking in the rest of the hobby.

>>96737478
yipee

I can't stand the way flying stands work. Anons that feel the same, how do you base your flying models?

>>96742141
Get a brass rod

Are legacy armies much of a downgrade vs. the paid armybooks? I recall a lot of complaints about how the Counts got done when ToW launched but is it actually true now that the dust has settled?

>>96742141
A complex contraption comprised of pulleys and cables dangling from the ceiling plus an aluminum frame crane that let me suspend my models above the table from

>>96736805

Where are the stirrups??

>>96736655
I don't get it, why dogs? Wouldn't the chinks eat them?

>>96740766
>VC probably won't come back, at least as it was, GW is too autistic about mixing between systems.
Are we just going to ignore chaos warriors ? And AOS vampires have basically no fantasy miniatures left , what exactly is preventing them from bringing them back

>>96740791
Looks great anon! I've been waiting for the rules so some friends who are interested can try the game.
Where did you find the battle march rules? Book is not yet available last I checked, do you have a review copy?

>>96742660
sure but expecting GW to follow any logic is foolish

Anyone knows when and why GW changed their plastic? I have a mix of bits and the older ones are of a much lighter and softer grey.

>>96742747
>sure but expecting GW to follow any logic is foolish
I hate that I have to agree with you.
How did this company manage to become so big with only retards leading it, is the warhammer IP really that strong?

>>96742761
The older stuff got softer over time after casting the modern gets harder.

>>96742779
Makes sense, the old plastic is definitely more wax-like.

>>96742747
Just because you hate the company doesn't mean they don't have some sort of plan to bring back rest of the legacy factions back into the game.

>>96742765
>is the warhammer IP really that strong?
is a mix of two things I'd say. They were around when the modern tabletop gaming culture started. They imported DnD to Europe. Even OG 1st ed DnD boomers know Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Before videogames were a thing that was the only way to play those games at all. They had White Dwarf as a generalized gaming magazine before it became a sales catalog for GW products.
And in an unlikely stroke of genius they had in-house artists from the very start that built an IP stronger than anything else, because it lives rent-free in people's heads. People still point to 30 year old illustrations for inspiration.

Current GW is coasting on the dumb luck of early GW.

>>96742891
"old GW" was close to going out of bussiness several times

>>96740841
>This assumption of savagery derives from their armies; bare-chested horse archers, bear-mounted knights and ice wreathed war sleds
>ice wreathed
thats in the rulebook anon so you're shit out of luck, anything and everything in the games is the intented design from the GW team, you really ought to have known that from the giant sentinel in the cathay release.

>>96742906
hence why it attribute it to dumb luck and not business accumen

>>96742842
never said they don't, but that also doesn't mean it's a good plan or follows common sense or logic

also, i don't hate them, that would require effort, i'm just an indiferent spectator

>>96742765
historical accident like most big companies, also back them there were people that were passionate and cared, without suits mandating everything

>>96742765
They owned the market for fantasy tabletop wargaming, then scifi tabletop wargaming, for decades with sparse, retarded competition. It also helped that they were run by talented, passionate enthusiasts who thought of it as a setting with a history and a story and not just an "IP" to milk to death.

>>96742891
>Current GW is coasting on the dumb luck of early GW.
Herein lies the problem and why the hobby scene, including Warhammer players, fucking hate nu-GW. Similar to Apple post-Jobs, they're resting on their laurels and rarely attempting to innovate or try anything new, and when they do, it's something fucking worthless and gay that only detracts from the "classic" stuff keeping them afloat.

Did anyone else see a dip in activity among their player group(s) after the Cathay + matched play guide release? Personally Cathay isn't an issue for me since I don't play against them, but half the people in my group were also into competitive play and lost some enthusiasm for the game and because of that have slowly dropped activity within my group.

>>96743189
cathay really introduced modern 40k powergamer waacshit to the table in a game that seems to largely be narrative fantasy grogs and people have been down that road to many times. Better to let the storm pass till an faq nerfs them and drives them to the next slopshit lists.

>>96743189
If one army being good is enough to make you ragequit the game then TOW isn't for you. If you're playing a less competitive army against a Cathay player who isn't a total asshole, you could point out the disadvantage and maybe give yourself 250 more points or so as a handicap.

>>96743189
Fine here, only growing. Limit Cathay to two balloons, or just have fun fighting an uphill battle

>>96742765
>>96742891
This, basically they're coasting:
1) On the creative talents of the GW from 15-30 years ago which created and continues to create huge lifelong dedicated fans with crazy spending tolerances.
2) On the fact that all of the competition are genuinely dumb as bricks morons, which has given them a near-total monopoly over an industry (sci-fi/fantasy wargaming) small enough that they're never going to get hit by antitrust lawsuits, yet big enough that they're able to make money hand over fist.

>>96743189
I'm genuinely curious to see if Cathay has actually caused an uptick in Chinese interest or if it's just WAACfags who are famously mercenary. I can only speak for the people around me who are universally totally uninterested in the faction, but maybe my group's experience is an isolated case.

>>96743189
Nobody in my group cares about cathay. We dont play very competitively though

>>96743189
>but half the people in my group were also into competitive play and lost some enthusiasm for the game and because of that have slowly dropped activity within my group.
I never understood this ,they don't have to play against Cathay.
This isn't pokemon with their "our eyes crossed we have to battle" bullshit .

>>96743273
From my understanding it wasn't merely Cathay but a domino effect of lots of tweaks and changes that GW implement that ended up feeling more like a step forward and a step back. Like one Dwarf player was grumbling (when are they not?) about how parry doesn't affect his Ironbreakers, which was a unit that struggled even before, but now with parry it brings other units that should be weaker up to parity with their own survivability, except they perform better at other tasks as well.

Personally I think how good or bad the update was really depends on who you ask and what they play, but I was curious if this was a me problem or if other people have seen any dips because I've heard claims of player activity hitting a ceiling in some parts of the world, but that could also have nothing to do with what's going on in my own group.

>>96743189
My reion just banned Cathay at tournaments, I hope the rest of germany also goes along with it.

>>96742660
Aos has more leftovers than you think for counts. Tow also needs more new stuff to consider bringing back old shit.

>>96743405
Instead of just like, a points deficit? Limiting balloons? Seems kind of cruel, I doubt most people got into them because they're OP
>inb4 accusations, I only play Dwarfs

>>96736336
>your sky lanterns get instakilled the moment they hit the table due to being unpainted, granting free VPs to your opponent
>I hope it will be a good lesson for you
>What's that? You're never coming back again? Fine with me.

>>96743418
>wight king
>necromancer
>tomb banshee
>ghouls
>big ghouls
>hexwraiths/black knights
>zombie dragon/terrorgheist
>corpse cart (?)
>vampire parade float (?)
Not sure if the last two are still around in aos, did I miss anything?

>>96743422
So here is the problem with that. We also limited it to Highlander rules once but that made the entire army shit.

1 Canon and 1 Balloon is basicaly useless because you lack the output to just shoot the enemy army to bits before it arrives, which you have to do since all your melee options are pretty shit.
If you limit them to 2 canons and 2 balloons you already reach the critical mass of them shooting/bombing everything to pieces without a lot of counter play.
Cathay also defines which armies are "Meta" ´like Nuln Outrider spam being very strong right now.

>>96743442
The ghost swarm things too.

>>96743446
How about just 1 balloon? Or 3 total (i.e., 2 cannons 1 balloon or 2 balloons 1 cannon.) Surely people who spent all that time assembling and painting them would rather they suck than to not play at all

>>96743447
I didn't count that because it's technically end times stuff. Otherwise there's also nagash, the mortarch trifecta, morghasts, maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting.

>>96743452
This is germany. we are either doing it by banning or autisticaly changing the whole game with our shit comp made by some failed competetive 40k loser.

>>96743452
>Surely people who spent all that time assembling and painting them
>painting
Anon...

>>96735827
Here ye go anon
https://files.catbox.moe/in9enl.rar

>>96743494
I have a few players in the area. The are all polite and only bought 1-2 balloons each (if that, I haven't seen one run them yet.) They all painted them slowly and rather well given the amount of detail. I'd never ask them to limit their balloons personally (unless I was running a tournament, which I'm not,) but I rarely see more than one if that, and they probably wouldn't even run that if anyone asked.
Kinda feel bad, I imagine there's a few people in Germanon's area like that too.

>>96743418
Yeah but nothing stopping them from using older models like they did for night goblins, the core is there and that is what counts .

Do you think I should pin this?

>>96743701
might as well

>>96743701
That looks extremely likely to fall apart if you don't.

>>96737549
>I only play what's popular
You're a fag

>>96743512
>I imagine there's a few people in Germanon's area like that too

Of course! They don't mind it at all and some even voted for the ban.

Flicked through a friends beastmen arcane journal and it looked like it only had statlines for new units/options. Is the rest in a PDF or is there some core 'forces of evil' book you need as well?

>>96743351
I would think your irombreakers getting 2x as many attacks would balance out the fact that more models get the same save as them. Especially considering there was already plenty of cav that got the same save or better.

>>96743954
Beastmen were included in the Ravening Hordes army book along with Chaos and Tomb Kings and the like. People get confused because they came later as blue box product but people just bought the aos kits and bases before that. You want Ravening Hordes for evil and Forces of Fantasy for good and the arcane journal is a booklet to add variety and new post WHFB stuff.

>>96742660
You can't have warhammer without chaos anon.

>>96743990
yes, you can, all you need is actually just orcs

What else would I need to make this a full empire army?? Never played TOW before

>>96744010
Build your list first based on what looks cool, buy the models after
https://old-world-builder.com/

>>96744036
I agree, that's my intention. I think "coolest" is a bunch of infantry and a leader, but I know that's not realistic. I've never played any Warhammer so I don't know how army building goes

>Tomb Kings listed as evil.
Why? Nagash isn't even alive at this time. Its Literally Settra chasing the Brettonians who robbed his peoples tombs.

>>96744051
Undead is a naturally evil thing. Even if tomb kings are pretty much just humans

>>96744036
Just built out a cool ass list I thought would be a cool army.... 850pts... How TF do people get to 2k points without being a paypiggy

>>96744044
>that's not realistic
What? It absolutely is. My doods will be almost entirely infantry, plus I'm doing classic Bretonnia with unique heraldry surcoats/aketons for every dood, so you have absolutely no excuse as an Empire chud. Go for whatever you think looks cool even if it's a challenge, you'll have more fun with it.

>>96744072
Add a big elite infantry unit, a couple cav units, a couple decently equipped heroes, maybe a wizard and you'll be at or above 2000 points all of a sudden.

>>96744010
way too vague of a question
it depends on the type of units you want

>>96744051
Not letting an*los loot and pillage your culture bare is perceived as evil.

>>96744217
Everything in museums would have been broken down and sold for salvage or stolen by now if not for the museums.

>>96743189
>half the people in my group were also into competitive play
nothing of value was lost

Thoughts on AK cracked earth effect paint?

In Human communities - how are burials managed, particularly in cities? I imagine anyone of means would be turning them over to Temples of Mor or pehaps a god they patronize over another. I imagine the less wealthy probably go to barbers and the poorest find their way to temples or are dumped into rivers or something

>>96744072
You can play the game at 500 or 1000 points, if you'd like. If money is a concern, load up on heroes and magic items.

How did we go from "we're so back" to "TOW is dying" so fast?

>>96744249
Sauce on these??

>>96744310
Warhammer players have very low attention span and MUST be served a constant stream of new content and product to consoom, like Fortnite players, or else they quickly lose interest

>>96744300
I doubt you could just dump bodies like that. Temples of Morr are not just there to give them the last rites. They are there to make sure they STAY dead.

>>96744364
Oh yeah, I imagine in places like Tilea, Nuln, Altforf, Sylvania - anywhere where the undead are a reality or feared - that the cult of Morr takes the lead. But just like people dont always go to priests of Shallya for illness and might go to a doctor, I think a lot of families would go to a barber (who IRL often did handle bodies and burial) before having rites performed.

>>96744217
>Not letting an*los loot and pillage your culture bare is perceived as evil.
holy basedworld

>>96744300
depends where you die, like Middenheim is very expensive due to being a tight city on top of a mountain, so it costs a lot and a pauper's grave is just the body get blessed before being chucked over the side.

>>96744310
The posters who actually contributed to the threads have been posting less and undesirable posters have been posting more. Also, whenever people discuss the rules and what they like or don't like about the game, people either start trolling, assume you're trolling, and get very hostile. It's a shame, really. If I wanted to ask a question about the rules or ask for advice, why would I ask you animals when I could just ask the people I actually play games with? These threads used to be a nice place to discuss the game. Now, they're not, and there's not much that can be done to fix that.

>>96744313
grimforge miniatures

>>96737478
kind of weird that they aren't following GWs 'old world only' policy especially given they will have to make up a load of lore before GW has had a chance to do so.

>>96737478
I dont know how to feel knowing that people arent taking this as a shitpost

>>96736462
Those are literally Cathay but cooler

>>96744217
>African artifacts returned to countries of origin
>end up destroyed or sold on the black market within weeks
What exactly is the goal here, other than alleviating butthurt at your ancestors being bad at war

>>96744072
If you have a printer to make those River Patrol guys, you can print an entire army using just Highland Miniatures and Reptilian Overlords. Empire is the easiest to print

>>96742906
Doesn't really matter. First mover advantage and a popular IP carries. TSR went under but DnD is still coasting on those early years.

>>96744249
>>96744255
>>96729236
Fuck mane, all this Manann posting is making me want to start a Marienburger army, using the ancient techniques passed down through generations of the Coborlwitz family

>>96744614
I like you, anon. The Aryan rides again.

>>96740019
Chariots and horse archers and very meta, what are you on about.

>>96743189
Exact opposite, Midwest USA and we have had more tournaments since 1.5 than ever. I've been doing one every other week.

>>96736929
Its called Warmaster and it is one of better systems gw has ever made.
Its community run nowadays
https://www.wm-revolution.com/

>>96744698
internet so slow you are stuck in early 2024 or...

>>96744866
No, chariots are used a lot in MC lists as annoyance units. They can't hit shit head-on but they are great at reserve moving up the side and threatening baggage trains and artillery.

cathay wave 2 status: more likely than snow

I just saw someone post their mounted Yoemen.
The GW proportions are so bad, I legit thought these were WGA's Halflings on ponies.

>>96744946
why would they make a cathay supplement without the second wave only to have to make another supplement with the second wave? Bear in mind GW has more trouble with printing than with sprues and I doubt $20 a book is very encouraging especially so soon after the cathay main wave.

>>96740051
Well, battles usually did NOT take place in empty fields. Ditches, hills, streams, woodlines, etc. are absolutely what determined the outcome of battles. Regardless, I understand that an emptier table is more practical from a gaming perspective, but the main problem here is the amount of effort or lack their of, in making the "empty field" look like a good table to play on. I just set up this empty battlefield in 2 minutes and it looks 100x better and more enjoyable that something like this>>96739587 and still has enough geography to make it an interesting scenario instead of fighting on some 2D green plane.
Some faggots earlier said that the castle in this post >>96734938 is just a prop or "side decoration," and they are correct. But where is the problem? Your table SHOULD have side decoration to make them more immersive and thematic. Beauty matters

>>96744712
Kansas BVLL here, TOW is doing unexpectedly well here.

>>96744946
Yuan BO incoming if other leaks are correct.
Which is an interesting choice, I get its to tie into Total Warhammer but Yin Yin makes much more sense.
>>96745068
BLEEDING KANSAS leading the way again

>>96745022
>possibility one: if the launch of cathay were to be an absurd flop then this way they could have simply cut things and not spend for the moulds of the second half of releases, with the launch proving successful enough the next moulds are greenlit and within 12 months there can be a second wave

>possibility two: the target customer is both more receptive to brand new releases while they're still hot off the hype train, and also likely to have a threshold of purchases he will likely do in one go; by splitting the all the kits in two halves you're more likely to get the target customer to buy both waves fully

possibility three: journals are retardedly cheap to write, produce and sell, compared to the price gw puts on them, splitting waves maximises the number of journals they can make and effectively tax playing consumers with.

>>96745054
I would like to agree with this if only it was posted by someone else

>They don't have a green felt mat to play on like its 1993
Why even play at all?

>>96745080
>Yuan BO...
>but Yin Yin...
Designing the kits so they represent only one dragon chinkarch at a time is one of the most retarded decisions they've taken.

They will never make enough giant plastic kits for all of them, even if they stick to the relevant ones, and every additional one of them is a waste of a plastic kit that could have been spent for an actual unit for the army, instead of being a redundant kit for the same concept that's also unlikely to be bought together with the other one.

They should have made one dragon kit that's modular enough to have at least the head with multiple build options for horns and crests.
and then released the human forms of the dragons as resin models or at least smaller plastic blisters.

>>96745136
we need to RETVRN to green felt mats instead of these CGI neoprene mats I keep seeing in every lgs

>>96745099
I'm not disputing that they might release the roster in two waves, although splitting that many units across two books for one faction is obviously inconvenient for the customer, just that the most recent supplement wasn't neccessary if they already planned one with the other half of the faction.

The other issue is that Cathay does effectively break the game already without an expanded roster, I think adding to it is already going to push this edition over the edge into unsalvageable and needing a new edition. In which case it would be better to limp on a new edition then release the full roster in the FoF supplement.

Be interesting to see what happens, afaik the SGS has some bizarre timetabling and 11th ed next year will literally halt production to life support for the first and second quarter of 2026 so they have no time to do anything like an edition or big release.

>>96745136
I never liked them, they always lose too much static grass.

>>96745170
>different tail
>different head
>different armor
All of that adds up, and if they all shared the same kit underneath then they'd all have the same pose, they still want to convince people to buy more than one.

>>96745054
Uh... I never thought of creating hills and valleys UNDER the gaming mat.
.it's so obvious and makes so much sense but in 20 years of hobby I've never seen it done.

>>96745136
True chads use Teddy Bear fur.

>miao pying?
>yuan bows?
>heh, here’s my dragon!

>>96745200
You can still do a lot in terms of poses even if you tweak the head and tip of the tail alone, especially with the weightlessness and serpentine design of oriental dragons.

And even if there was a problem with marketing a "posterboy" product that requires resin, then they could have made the plastic kit representing miao, but still made said kit with enough future proofing for modularity to make the others via resin upgrades.

>>96745262
>in 20 years of hobby I've never seen it done.
Never? I used to see it a lot. They kinda suck to play on desu.

>>96745262
It's pretty common on the historical side

>>96745136
RVTVRN TO TRVDITION

>>96745397
>40gay
I'll pass

>>96745406
>pot calling the kettle black
Lmao

>>96745273
Help, my skirmishers have fallen and can't get up!

>>96745422
Not an issue with 25mm squares

>>96745466
Never played on a board like that, but it's what came to mind. If they can stand on the uneven fur, hell yeah, it's a great visual.

Has anyone ever had sex with their TOW opponent after the game?

>>96745501
I can only get people to come in to play if thats the stake. its making me wish I had a dragon in my chaos warrior army, Im pretty much the town bicycle at this point.

>>96743189
Bro I’m planning to play ogre kingdoms I knew I was gonna get knocked around from the start

Anybody got a screenshot of the beastmen points costs?

>>96734992
Vapid Cunts

>>96745422
Historicals manage it fine. Though it's often shaved a bit closer than pic related.

Do i buy into cathay or get into yugioh....hmmmm

>>96745670
All that you ask for and more is available for you if you would just read the thread.

>>96745732
What to CONSOOM? WHAT TO CONSOOOOM??!

>>96745779
this is true!

>>96743343
>he doesn't carry around his warhammer case everywhere with him on the off chance he makes eye contact with another player

How would I go about adding fallen branches/sticks? 25mm base.

>>96745779
>buying things to participate in a hobby
>CONSOOOOOOOOOM
What are you doing on this board?

Finally, I got one of my most looked out for minis is MINE

>>96746133
Looks class man. Enjoy!

>>96746133
Least Corrupt Mordheim Mayor 1999

>>96746133
Very nice, anon! I was trying to get a Be'lakor of my own recently too, but the deal fell through. I'm looking forward to seeing how you paint him.

How would you paint beastmen skin? og red, ashy grey or humanoid beige?

I ended up getting the Yugioh stuff. Less of an issue transporting that for games. Kinda wish fantasy had its own card game, think it had Warcry? Kinda wish they redid that.

>>96746722
Enjoy the worst hobby community on the planet. Remember you bought in willingly.

>>96746722
You know a 500-750pts mode drops this week and you can have armies as small as 8 models right?

>>96746736
No that’s still the mtg audience
>>96746737
Yeah maybe but still, I managed to grab this deck for cheaper than the battalion box and that new format for Yugioh looks fun.

>>96746722
had Warcry and Invasion, but there is a reason both failed

>>96746865
Hope you have fun but you are gonna be constantly on vigil for people trying to steal your deck if you leave it unattended for a second. YuGiOh is a fun game but the most thuggish tcg audience that are famous for bad hygeine and theft.

How does this sound for 500 points games?

Vampire Counts
>General: Necromancer Acolyte with Sceptre of De Noirot
>Wight Lord with Sword of Striking
>30 Zombies
>11 Grave Guard with standard bearer
>10 Crypt Ghouls
>5 Dire Wolves
>total: 497 points.

>>96747014
What about a shield for the Wight lord for an even 500, thats 3 points right?

>>96747014
Give that Wight Lord a shield and you're good to go white boy, a nice 499.

Only thing I might suggest is splitting your zombies into two 15 blocks to get some more maneuverability out of them, but thats personal taste.

>>96747041
Aren't they minimum size 20 now?

How do you guys decide which armies to collect/paint/play? I can't choose between Orcs and Ogres. So I ended up buying a Black Orc kit and an Irongut kit and I will do both of them up and see which one I like more.

>>96747090
Tone and gimmicks. But now the new 500pts option is a fun way to test. Write a list, proxy models if you dont got em and give it a whirl.

>>96744946
Please let something actually interesting come out before more Cathay.

>>96747090
Luckily you can just proxy those ironguts as merc ogres if you can't decide.

>>96745291
Yeah... like instead of building an hill to go on top of your mat, build a foam/wood shape to go under it (or just use something sloped). I mean... it's such a stupidly simple technique; I'm amazed that this is the first time seeing it.
I can imagine being it annoying to play with, but not anymore annoying than it would be playing using regular hills.

>>96745324
Fully painted armies and no grey models on the field seems to also be very common on the historical side.

>>96747101
Ohhh yeah very true. I didn't consider that but you're right. I haven't opened the kit yet but it said online that the AoS irongut kit also comes with square bases. Hopefully that's correct and I won't have to order them from online.

>>96747106
It might if its any earlier repackaging for AoS. Either you can get secondhand bases for dirt cheap online.

Honestly a O&G+ogre soup would be extremely based and thematic, especially with your black orcs. You can fit 3 ogres as mercs in a 500 Battle March list too.

>>96747106
The white box might the red box wont.

>>96738348
They're still 3rd edition with rules of their own, and that's all that matters.
Side point, but this is much like the End Times minis, having being designed with Age of Sigmar in mind, but still still being played in Fantasy for less than a year.

How big is a 500points ogre force if i want a small paint project?

>>96747229
like 8 models at least

>>96747229
>1 bruiser
>3 ogre bulls
>3 Ironguts
>2 leadbelchers
>2 sabertusks

Run your Bruiser with the Bulls and jobs a goodun'

>>96747229
8-15 models depending on what you want to bring.

>>96747258
are 2 leadbelchers the worst possible ranged unit at 500pts?

can you bring a dragon in that new game mode

>>96747279
Too expensive

>>96747278
If a dwarf player wants to be a right cunt they can easily fight a gyrocopter in. The Cathay Lantern of 500pts.

>>96747278
Leadbelchers are pretty good, long range, multiple wounds. Expensive sure, but fuck it, its ogres.

>>96747279
No

>>96747014
Definitely playable

>>96747090
In the order of armies I collected originally back in 6-8th:
Ogres - cause I had almost no entertainment money and could field a list of 17 models
Tomb kings - cause I wanted to have more strategic options and liked the aesthetic
Beastmen - cause i fucking LOVED how they played, and their lore interested me so much. They sucked so bad at the time though. I think won only 1 match in 10.

Now in TOW I'm all in on Beastmen. I also greatly appreciate they are plot relevant finally. Give back raider you fucks, even if its for a different army of infamy

>>96736495
No it actually looks totally Chinese and not Japanese at all

>>96747353
I am happy for you beastbro. Everyone deserves this kind of hobby love.

>>96737478
Shit
>cold ones aren't velociraptors, they're slow and stupid
>if those are velociraptors instead and you get them to fight how are you going to explain it's just a non-lethal tourney?
>exactly what is that lance breaking on?
>a knight who has been riding a warhorse his whole life can't just suddenly joust from a big scaley turkey
>supposed 'Lustrian' adaptation of using dinos, zero acknowledgment that you would just fucking pass out wearing that armour in the jungle

>>96747353
Cloven Ones for life yo.

>>96737478
Erm...what the spruce?

>>96747393
>>cold ones aren't velociraptors
Yeah no shit those are like the size of a turkey

>>96747090
Looks, lore, playstyle, in that order.

Really wish there were decent 3d models of Nilfgard/Toussaint knights. I’d start up a Bret army with some of em.

>>96747090
it's not really a game where you'll ever regret collecting an army unless you are competitive minded or didn't understand what an army was before you started collecting it. Picking one means you can leave your other preference for future hobby fun so it doesn't have to be a painful choice either.

>>96747568
>Nilfgard/Toussaint knights
is that a reference to a different franchise?

>>96747597
Witcher, yeah.

>>96747568
It sounds like you want flashier Empire Knights. Check out Last Sword miniatures.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIRCPLPLCdg
In the very first Tale of Four Warlords Paul "Fat Bloke" Sawyer chose to run Beastmen.

RIP you magnificent bastard.

>>96745732
>get into tcgs in 2025
Why would you do this to yourself

>>96747578
This is basically the correct mindset. The way I calmed myself is telling myself that I will eventually collect and own every single army. So I don’t need to stress over fomo etc.

>>96747578
That's true as long as you either

a)Keep up with painting stuff rather than just buying new miniatures over and over

b)Consider buying and accumuting unpainted miniatures an hobby in itself (which is fine, but it can lead to an unending mass of things that will never see a brush, let alone a tabletop)

>>96747090
Bretonnia immediately spoke to my childhood autism for knights and my adult autism for medieval /his/, so I started a low fantasy peri-HYW free company-inspired Brexit army with lots of infantry. You should base your decision entirely on which army you like looking at best, because they're going to spending a lot of time on the shelf.

What colours should I go with for my Renegade Crowns army? I sort of want to include purple but idk if that'd ridiculous

>>96748018
Do it, half of them are foppish tileans and estalians so purple fits.

Does anyone know how Motley Crew works there is no majority of loadouts? Ex: Front rank of 3 great weapons and 3 HW+Shield. When doing saving throws and pulling casualties do you have to randomize because it's 50-50 or does the controlling player pick or? I am new to Orcs and Goblins and am trying to figure out how their Black Orcs work.

>>96748018
I like these kinda colours together

>>96748363
That would be a very funky color scheme in a good way

>>96736655
Sexo

>>96748363
My autism doesn't let me use purple in pre-modern settings.

>>96748018
Green and white. Maybe consider using different colors between blocks of dudes since they're a merc army and probably provide lots of their own gear.

>>96748363
gay

>>96749355
>>96749355
>>96749355
>>96749355
New

>>96749227
bruh you would look at any landsknecht and gay him gay, and he would chop your dick off