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The Saga Continues Forever edition

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Thread Question: Tell me about your GAMES. Even if its just some random casual game, how did it go? Who did you play? Are you playing TTRPGs? Give us a battle report!

Probably not the best place to ask but I'm unsure where would be appropriate.

Where would one start reading the old pre Disney EU Star Wars novels? I'm interested most in the Thrawn Trilogy but from my limited understanding of the old EU a good number of things have happened between the start of the Thrawn Trilogy and the end of Return of the Jedi. In an attempt to make this post on topic I'm asking about this because I found the Thrawn Trilogy setting/sourcebook compendium for WEG D6 Star Wars RPG 2e and I'm unsure what to do with it since it seems to heavily rely on the readers having read the Thrawn Trilogy.

>>96735511 (OP)
What did the human condition mean by this?

>>96735561
Splinter of the Mind's Eye.

>>96735561
Well if you want right after return of the jedi, you kind of have truce at bakura which is happening right there. But it's not that good, you can just start at thrawn's trilogy and assume the original cast have been doing their best going on random adventures fighting imperial holdouts, settling diplomatic disputes, etc.
>>96735511 (OP)
Well, if it's the thread question. My game is going somewhat roughly. We're clone wars era guys and I'm the DM. Unfortunately I suck but my friends don't seem offended yet, though they do get annoyed. Recently we left off right before a boss fight. But when the next session ends, i'm not quite sure how to pad the beginning and the end of it. I can't imagine the fight taking all 3 of our hours.

>>96735834
Ah, to be clear. Truce at bakura is fine, just don't try too hard tracking down a copy. But the thrawn trilogy is basically where the EU started. There's also Dark Empire which tells a story during this period as well, the original "somehow, palpatine has returned." Pretty divisve in its day too, if you're bored go ahead and read it, it's a comic or audio drama series.

>>96735856
>>96735834
>>96735561
I don't think Truce of Bakura is too hard to find. Courtship of Princess Leia is fun and has Luke running around with a witch waifu even if its dumb at parts.

I do recommend Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor, it covers why Luke stops being a general in the rebel alliance. Shatterpoint makes it even better, but thats a Mace Windu book so you might not be interested.

>>96735913
to clarify Shatterpoint and Shadows are the same author and share some characters. Shadows is a continuation for some of those characters.

>>96735856
My main problem with Dark Empire is Empire's End. I enjoyed it before that.

So which system is actually good? D6 or D20?

>>96735834
>But when the next session ends, i'm not quite sure how to pad the beginning and the end of it. I can't imagine the fight taking all 3 of our hours.
You can't start doing the aftermath of the fight and seeds for the next story?

How do you fuck up so hard? Any character has been sucked out from it.

>>96736424
This is the second thread in a row you are sperging out about this. Mind at least telling us where this is from and who created this abomination?

>>96735561
>I'm interested most in the Thrawn Trilogy but from my limited understanding of the old EU a good number of things have happened between the start of the Thrawn Trilogy and the end of Return of the Jedi.
Starting with the Thrawn Trilogy and treating it as the direct and first sequel of RotJ is fine. You won't get confused doing that. A lot of the other stuff gets either totally ignored or marginalized into offhand comments by characters then never brought up again.

The best alternative is to listen to >>96735642 and go back to the really old stuff that was written while the movies were still being made, like SotME and the Han Solo Adventures and Lando Calrissian Adventures books. These books probably had more influence on the Thrawn stuff than the other things you're thinking of (maybe not the Lando ones - those were weird).

>>96735561
X-wing novels and comics if you desire. They cover a fair amount of post-Endor lore prior to Thrawn.
If you just want a quick but fairly comprehensive understanding of what happened post-Endor before Thrawn, read the Essential Atlas sections on the period.

POST ABOUT YOUR FUCKING GAMES OR GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE THREAD

>>96737587
I will talk about ventress instead (:

>>96735954
It's a little hard to visualize that now. Especially since the campaign isn't 100% set in stone. I'm afraid of making a choice I'll regret later. For the aftermath you might be thinking some RP is good but these players are uh, i'm lucky they even bother talking to npcs lmao. I have a hard time engaging them. I'll brainstorm some stuff i guess.

>>96737634
are they on a ship? if so, crash the ship and make them pilot it or somethign or survive

>>96737657
Actually they are on a ship and it's currently crashing. The idea is after the boss they can escape on a shuttle and (possibly) go home. The other comment about seeds makes sense here, maybe when they get back to base I can hit them with something or leak something for next time. Or maybe they want to shop...

Crashing the ship would indeed be a novel idea but I think they'd want to break on that.

>>96735511 (OP)
>TQ
>ffg rpg
>be hutt errand boy bounty hunter
>setting is a little bit of eu and canon
>rolls are all against me
>miracle that I’m still alive
>rolls for enemies somehow worse
Makes me want to try Genesys to be honest.

>>96737800
I was typing that while taking a dump at work.
When I’m off work I’ll tell the stories of oc hutt’s errand boy.

SW Unlimited Chads, give me your recommendation for the best way of jumping into this game.
Should I grab a Clone Wars 2-player set, the Hoth intro set or simply wait for Secrets of Power and grab a Padme deck and a Sheev deck? Are the Hoth set decks even any useful for building competitive decks in the future?

>>96735946
This general is FFG territory boy

>>96735592
That they should have given the rebel infantry slightly better drip.

>>96737956
I came here to see how Unlimited has been doing too. Thanks in advance.

>>96735834
>>96735913
>>96737271
>>96737494
Thanks for the advice kings

>>96735946
The D6 game is fun and simple and is more trying to recreate the flow of a SW movie than a traditional RPG. The d20 system was based off of D&D 3.5e and I never liked it. The FFG game I've only read the books for. People swear by it but it being symbol based really filters the 90 IQers.

>>96737956
If you want to dip your toes any of the Starter decks sets will work. As for what's best set. Not big on competition play but set one Sparks of Rebellion had good cards. Second set Shadows of the Empire was mid card wise, third set Twilight of the Republic was better and had some great cards that worked well with first set. Fourth set was called Jump to Light speed and was the biggest shake up so far because it heavily boosted the space side of the board. It introduced pilot cards. And Legends of the Force I'm behind on. I say pick a starter set of an era you think is cool and if you like the game then Jump to Light speed and Sparks of Rebellion. Maybe Legends of the Force is it good idk I blew all my money on Legend of the Five Rings 4e books.

If I wanted to get Physical copies of the Republic/CWMMP comics, are the Omnibuses the way to go? they seem rather expensive

So was it a smart move by the empire to raze its own loyal fortress worlds right after endor?

>>96740095
Cant really say sadly, i´ve gotten them all as a kid back when they came one volume at a time. Very much worth it tho, those are some great stories.

>>96736424
>TIE like wings
dead on arrival

>>96740095
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Omnibus:_Clone_Wars_Volume_1:_The_Republic_Goes_to_War
The omnibus aren't bad, but they collect some comics out of order and miss some of the less important side comics.
Still, if you can get them for a decent price then they're worth it.

>>96740226
No dude, it only "makes sense" if you know that the Emperor is magically going to come back with infinite resources that allow him to make an entirely new Empire that is just a distraction while he finishes the fleet of planet-killer Star Destroyers he's apparently been working on since the first Death Star exploded. It's bad, backwards-storytelling to explain away how they got from Return of the Jedi to A New Hope Reboot.

>>96740226
No.

I think the initial idea is destroying resources the Rebels could have taken. Except they then used it on planets the Rebels weren't at risk of taking.

Theres a parallel with the Nazis- Hitler ordered the destruction of their own factories against Speers objections who was worried about the post-war economy. But Hitler said if anyone doesn't die off in the last stages of the war they deserve to starve to death anyway- as he saw it, by losing the war the Germans deserved extinction.

The difference is though, this was as they were retreating from the Allies. Though unlike the soviets who also used scorched earth tactics, they didnt do any industrial evacuations either.

>>96740529
It certainly doesn't help, but I can read it as being apart from the whole rise of Skywalker deal. Like not everything is according to keikaku but a good deal of scrambling and improving.

>>96737800
>>96737916
Alright I'm back from work

>during reign of the Empire
>be bounty hunter and/or smuggler I think we forgot
>just me and DM because everyone else wants to play 5E
>get scouted by Hutt OC aligned scouter
>this Hutt isn't Jabba. Just some literally who Hutt member of the clan
>first mission was to collect credits from a guy who owes Hutt OC money
>find him in shanty town made up of decommissioned Venator-class Star Destroyers
>failed intimidation attempt
>gunfight ensues
>almost die
>target killed credits collected from his person
>Get bonus

>second
>Imperials move in on planet Hutt has interest in
>bad for business, Hutt wants Imperials off his lawn
>get teamed up with a bunch of Mandalorian bounty hunters most likely to throw off trail that this is a Hutt operation
>DM says that Mandos have Rebel Alliance symbols on their armor, some helms, others on chest, shoulderpad, etc.
>roll up in multiple modified A-A5 Speeder Trucks to hastily built Imperial structure not much detail on structure given
>try to negotiate with Imperial Army guys (canon look) to leave
>fail
>gunfight ensues
>some Mandos die, hang back and take potshots
>Imperial Army guys off lawn
>lots of loot to boot
>collect some mudtrooper looking gear as DM said even if it made no sense
>collect E-22
>Hutt sends clean up crew
>collect credits
>sell excess loot on black market back at Venator-class Star Destroyers shanty town

>third (this one actually went according to plan)
>NightClub isn't paying protection money
>buy thermal detonator
>buy ticket to go to nightclub
>colorful twilek go-go dancers everywhere
>loud music
>drop detonator and run
>nobody hears detonator noises because loud music
>kaboom.holocron
>collect credits

So yeah that's all the sessions that happened and a recap of what went down.

>>96735511 (OP)
>TQ:
Trying an experiment in a game.
>Stormtroopers campaign using Saga.
>They are happy to murder-hobo their way through hordes of Rebels and innocent Civilians.
>Alderaan has just happened.
>Behind the scenes, an officer uprising and mass defection to the Rebellion is about to happen in their battlegroup.
>I've sent everyone for "Psyche Evaluation" to see how they are holding up to Alderaan's destruction. (They were on Delaya chasing Rebels at the time)
>In actuality, their commander is planning on defecting and testing his troops to see who's likely to defect with him and transfer those who aren't likely.
Pretty much, i'm gonna see who wants to defect to the Rebellion and who wants to stay loyal, then, if the decision isn't unanimous, i'm gonna instigate PvP when the time comes. Whichever side wins, they decide where the party is going. Whoever loses rolls new characters. If their old character survives the PvP, they will become the nemeses of the party.

>>96740546
Wasn't Operation Cinder at least as old as The Last Jedi?

>>96738160
They did the best they could with out mucking up the space opera medium
>give them good drip but it’s obviously coded as empire civil war rather than clear cut sides
>go too far down the irregular route you end up looking like an overt pride parade or 8 different flavors of African warlord
Was a better story from a more civilized time where it was assumed fags and niggers were not human and so the “everyman” only had the implied baggage of being an ill prepared space trucker or a kid from a backwater + the simultaneous token yet representative in the plurality princess.
Also Han yada yada too chudded to care etc etc

>>96735592
>>96741976
Since I was a kid, I always identified more with the Imperial officers and serving on-board Vader's flagship or commanding one of the supporting Star Destroyers, rather than any of the plucky Rebel heroes. And again, this was like when I was 10.

>>96740954
Yes. People already forget that there have been multiple pretty foundational retcons to Disney's shitty version of the setting. The whole plot of the BF2 campaign was written to excuse the retarded state of the galaxy in the Disney trilogy, in that it tried to make the New Republic's decision to completely demilitarise seem vaguely plausible by insisting against all reason that the Empire completely ceased to exist. No Warlords. No Remnant. No successors of any kind. In that era of the Disneywars IP Palpatine(who had not yet Somehow Returned) deliberately engineered Operation Cinder and the Battle of Jakku so that his chosen few could flee in secret to create the First Order and all the other Imperials would blow up a bunch of stuff the Republic would have found useful then willingly retardo-seppuku themselves.

They have since completely flip-flopped on 90% of the reasons why they told those stories - there are now Warlords and a Remnant and they have an even more retarded story as to why the Republic demilitarized that makes Leia look like even more of a worthless failure - so Cinder and the rest of the BF2 plot make no fucking sense.

>>96740226
No, but it would be in-character for Palpatine. He is a Sith, after all. The Empire was simply a means for him to achieve domination of the galaxy. What happened to it after his death was irrelevant since it would no longer benefit him, so might as well burn it down out of spite so whoever usurped him wouldn't benefit from his work.

>>96735561
Just start with Thrawn. You don't need to go chronologically at all, the Thrawn trilogy was written when there were no other long series covering the time between Ep6 and it.

If you want you can go through the first seven X-wing novels before you hop to Thrawn, but I would honestly suggest doing it the other way around.

>>96742569
>They have since completely flip-flopped on 90% of the reasons why they told those stories
It's best not to bother looking for rhyme or reason in EU or Disney canon

>>96742593
I think this is the best way to go about it if you want something that is not exclusively focused on the OT cast.

Personally, I got pretty fed up with the 'Luke, Artoo, Threepio, Han, Leia, Chewie and Lando do fucking everything forever all the time'.storytelling that dominated most of early EU.

>>96742360
>identified
Oof. Was just a cool story. Was just a question of who looked cooler.

>>96740689
Keep us posted, anon

>>96735561
The X-Wing books. I should go reread them.

>>96740390
Those were already on there.

>>96740689
neat
>>96740551
third mission went off without a hitch. What is a one player session like?

if you think about it, the nightsisters arc is the most important arc in TCW due to it's events snowballing into several arcs in S4-7, which later have ramifications in other shows like rebels, the mandalorian etc

>>96741976
You realize that Lando owned a fucking planet right?

>>96742569
I do think rampant retcons are the way forward. A much more aggressive version of what we saw with the clone wars cartoons.

>>96742360
you "identified" with the dudes getting choked out by space daddy? Kinky.

>>96744215
>What is a one player session like?
I'm gonna be honest.
It is kind of boring because there is no 'chaotic' nature of having multiple players present.
It sometimes feels like the DM is trying to please me a bit.

We are still looking for at least a second player.

The FFG system is great though. I'm not gonna lie. I gotta pirate photoshop and make a printable sticker set for blank dice when the FFG Star Wars goes out of print. Unless they've already been made.

Amusing enough, both Galactic Republic, Galactic Empire and New Republic would support Israel.

>>96741976
>>96742360
It's stupid shit like these two that reminds me Nazis deserve the bullet.

Psychopath?

>>96735592
The bad guys in fictional media just always get the cooler aesthetics and I think that's why people identify with them. Seems to be a recurring phenomenon.
I'll be honest, I always liked playing the bad guy role when it is doable and all in good fun as it let's someone else be the hero they want to be.
I just wonder where Canada would fit on that chart.

>>96747712
nah, a garden variety SW retard. Likely can't work a forum login or he'd be on spacebattles

it is true, the rebellion and NR need better drip.
what would (you) suggest as better looks for their infantry, capital ships ect?

>>96739851
Thanks anon. Anyone watch any tournaments or youtubers, or have any idea of how the game is doing in FLGS or any local scenes? I hope it's still selling and staying popular because it's a great game with a solid design. I don't care for the art very much personally but I've seen worse.

>>96748046
>capital ships
Those are fine.
I am not sure if the orange pilot suit is worse or the boring way their troops and officers dress like.

>>96748046
I've been thinking about printing this for legion, consider Terminatior 1/2 future war style looks for rebel infantry

BWU'S CREW, the leaders of Rebel STRAY SQUADRON continue their personal crusade against PYKE CAPO VOHEL.

While fighting their way through the wretched TARLANA TOWER they have been intercepted by the FALLEN JEDI CORRIX

The despicable Jedi used his mystical ways of the force to turn the crew AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. In the battle they lost a valuable soldier, the droid gladiator BAR-3.

The crew, alongside their new mercenary ally ZAREKH VOLIS hunted down the fleeing Jedi and his inner circle. Upon confronting him they fought the TRINITY OF SERENITY.

However, the Jedi used hostages to cause the grew to seek negotiation over violence. The dastardly cult leader offered the crew's force sensitive mechanic SIENN SEELA to join him, to teach her the ways of the force.

Negotiations were cut short when COMMANDER BWU himself went haywire, a split personality taking control and forcing an ALL OUT BRAWL.

It was tense but the crew was forced to submit when the DEVIOUS FANATIC CERIL unveiled his hidden VAT OF ACID. With BWU knocked unconscious and the crew at this fiendish scientist's mercy, tensions run high.

Will they defeat JEDI CORRIX'S cult fanatics, avenge their friend and clear the path to their ultimate target? Or will they fall like so many have in TARLANA TOWER? Only next session of EMPIRE'S END will tell...

>>96748046
Just continue the OT trend of the Rebels dressing like actual soldiers with some sci-fi aesthetics tossed on.

>>96747876
>I always liked playing the bad guy role when it is doable and all in good fun as it let's someone else be the hero they want to be.
pretty wholesome anon

>>96748371
I've been painting my rebel mooks like that, heavily inspired by dark empire/t1t2. Dark blue and light grey colour schemes.

>>96748441
nice

>>96736550
I envy you your ignorance of the monstrosity that is fractalsponge.
>>96740390
The original looks just fine.

>>96747876
It's why WH40K fails as satire. People need to learn to speak caveman. This is why the far-right has been so successful, they know how to speak meme, while the center and the left think it's beneath them.

And on a more ideological front, I do think it's true that liberals tend to discount romanticist notions like patriotism and nationalism. Not that they're outright hostile to it, I think they view it as simply one of a number of qualities a person has, and one that is less important as time goes on, much like religion. Which ends up ceding ALL of that ground to the far-right. When really you should be spending your capital welding liberal values with national values, like with WW2 propaganda.

Which is to say- you must make the liberal the chad, and make the fascist the wojak.
>>96748046
Use the Alderaan Security Helmet. It's the most recognizable helmet of the Rebellion, and makes a lot of propaganda sense to use Alderaanian symbols as symbols of the Rebellion/Republic. Just make it a bit smaller to be more practical, and add a face-plate to it, preferably with some goggle looking visors.

Use a lot of Stormtrooper White, but with blue accents, similar to the red and light-grey Clone-War era ships. I'd also make a uniform distinction between 'Light Infantry' and 'Republic Troopers'- the Troopers take design cues from Clone-Troopers/Stormtroopers, but ditch the i-phone trooper design cues. Instead go for something that looks like it prioritizes practicality, like the Republic's got a budget so they want their armor to last. A bit soviet in that regard. Light Infantry basically use blue dress uniforms but with trooper armor highlights. Again this would be to emphasize that they are working on a budget, and aren't as militarized, while also giving you two different toys to sell.
(cont.)

>>96749086
I mentioned before I think that the New Republic should take design cues from the Empire. Mostly white triangular ships, but with some rounded curves, maybe a bit less industrial looking with smoother plates. As I mentioned, blue instead of red accents like Clone-War era ships.

Perhaps less of a design philosophy, more of a story focus, but given how X-Wings outperformed TIE-Fighteres, and the role of Fighter Aces, a larger carrier role is emphasized for New Republic heavy ships. I didn't mind the 'sandwhich hangar' design for First Order ships, even though in the films we don't get a good look at them (they get some attention in the Battlefront 2 Campaign). I don't think the same design should be copied outright, but the 'sandwich hangar' shows a greater emphasis on the carrier role, so something similar, but maybe more practical for the Republic. I personally think the Venator Hangar makes the most sense, but I'd want to change it up so it looks a bit different.

Something I wonder is if there can be an iconic blaster for the New Republic. I think the Clones and the Stormtroopers both used the same Sterling model (IE the prop was based on a sterling rifle with a few bits added and taken away). I like the idea that main infantry weapons are one-handed-smg types as a 'this is sci-fi so guns aren't exactly the same' so I'd want to keep that. Perhaps something that looks a bit more American, since the Sterling is British/Canadian? I don't know if you'd want to change the color scheme from the practical black- chrome highlights would look cool, but I think that would imply more budget for the New Republic than a simple matte black.

>>96749110
I'd definitely have some New Republic Admirals that pimp out their individual blasters with pearl handles like they got some MacArthur ego to them. That's definitely what I would have done with Han Solor (in terms of ego, not blaster) if I'd been handed the script (made him a New Republic Admiral that they can't keep on a leash).

>>96749110
I'm inclined to give the NR something based on the MP5 and its variants for the E-11 slot. And an FAL for the bigger blaster replacing the T-21/DLT-19.

I’m running out of ideas. Topics to discuss.

>>96748046
one thing that any new republic redesign absolutely *needs* is visible faces

>>96749427
see >>96744297

>>96749110
>>96749315
I'm inclined to think that it would be a good stylistic choice to give the NR a blaster-SMG with an exposed, fairly smooth barrel, maybe with one of those old school cone flashhiders rather than shrouded or finned like the empire. maybe something derived from the Grease Gun/thompson-esque?
for the heavy stuff, I actually think mando got it right, working from a Bren/ZB base works perfectly IMO

darth BANE?

where did TCW truly diverge from the CWMMP?

some will argue "instantly because of ahsoka" but I think there was a specific point within the show where they decided to stop roughly following the CWMMP and just did their own thing

>>96750546
Probably when Rookies established the clones as being American GI's instead of emotionless killing machines

>>96749086
>Light Infantry basically use blue dress uniforms but with trooper armor highlights.
Blue colouring is actually pretty smart colour choice for the New Republic, when someone remembers the Senate Guard, which was phased out in favour of the Red Guard under Palpatine's Chancellorship.

>>96749086
>Alderaan Security Helmet
Why does everyone want to bring back that helmet when it wasn't even what rebel soldiers wore in ESB or RTJ

>>96750546
From the start. It was never EU, thankfully. And Lucas said as much from the very beginning. And Lucas never followed the EU in his projects. He could incorporate a few elements that he particularly liked - usually designs that he noticed somewhere and liked - but he never followed the story or even knew it, as he said many times.

>>96751124
I explained why. It's the most iconic helmet they have, and it makes sense as a propaganda thing that the New Republic incorporates a lot of Alderaanian symbols. The Alderaanians died unjustly for their support for democracy, and thus they are lionized by the survivors, and the New Republic continuing to use their symbols establish both respect for their sacrifice and their continued dedication to the values of the Rebellion.

>>96751007
What were everyone elses thoughts that it's shown the Senate Guard continue to exist in the Empire in Andor S2? I had always thought that Empire had swapped them out for the Imperial Guard. Like they were the same guys just with new uniforms. Andor seems to now imply they were seperate institutions.

>>96751696
It makes sense to have the Emperor's Guard and the Senate Guard. Emperor's Guard got to keep all the swag uniforms and regalia while the Senate Guard got turned into Mall Jannies before the Senate was ultimately destroyed. I loved the inclusion of the Senate Guard, Andor was great at including all the glup shitto institutions
>ISB vs Military Intelligence
>Imperial Army
>Corporate Sector
>>96751684
Right but anon asked for good looking NR troopers, the Alderann helmet has always been goofy looking and wasn't seen after the very first movie. Canon brought them back as the NR Fleet Troopers who wear blue and some stormtrooper white and they look like goofy jobbers.

>>96751124
The helmet worn on Endor and the ones seen in Rogue One are fine. Anything not stormtroopers or not using an Imperial Stahlhelm are recognizable as Rebel helmets. The ANH helmets can stay as fleet Troopers like the guards from >>96752192.

>>96751696
The Royal Guard are just for Palpy and a few for Vader.

>>96752753
That's just a cap with a toilet seat mounted.

>>96752910
It's not like any kind of armor or helmet saves you from a blaster shot anyway.

>>96751696
Red Guard were Palpatine's personal guard that was recruited initially at least from the Senate Guards' Commando members, and also from the Sun Guard when they became Imperial Guards.
But their role was always that of personal guard of the Chancellor/Emperor Palpatine, which means that the Senate Guard could still exist as long as there was a Senate.

Just one week before we get our first bit of post-TRoS lore (besides the lego specials) and we get to see how the First Order somehow returned

>>96753344
Chances we get some complete Empire of Dust tier African Warlord kino, showing the galaxy descend into total madness with no one left standing to hold the reigns?

>>96753375
Zero percent.

>>96752192
Showing sub-factions is a great way to flesh out the universe.

The alderaan heat just needs to be made more compact to look less goofy.
>>96753375
I think the big retcon that solves a lot of things is just say the new republic didnt capitulate and sent in their fleets for the battle of exegol.

>>96753515
>The alderaan heat just needs to be made more compact to look less goofy
Yeah this artist did a great job showcasing that its a cool shape when compressed

You don't need to retcon the New Republic back to life in the post-sequels, honestly everything Disney has written has shown the Republic to be a fucking waste of time. Everything collapses near instantly anyway, post-sequels currently give way to a far more interesting Warring States/Sectors period where all those planetary militias that toppled the Final order can now freely exert their will over each other. Century old rivalries, once stopped by the Jedi or Imperial rule, now flare up as everyone wants to be the next big dog. Throw in NR and FO remnants and you've got a proper TTRPG setting there.

>>96753375
Inshallah we will get some dancing in the glory of monsters shit in which the galaxy is Congolese Perpetual Hell in the face of the bare facts of the ability of any bunch of random assholes to build planet killers, but I think we both know the chances of that

>>96753537
Warlords era on steroids, finally something of worth in the post-Disney crap.
Something that Hand of Thrawn Duology only touched upon, with members of New Republic being on the edge of fighting, and almost starting, with being explicit that the overall government can't get involved.

>>96753690
What makes the post-9 Warring States era extra interesting is the fact that the Jedi Order and Sith have lost all of their power too. It's a new age for all the competing force cults to establish themselves as the dominant faith of the galaxy as well.

Something else to consider is without a government to funnel resources into the core worlds, many of those city planets will suddenly become death traps. You will see a mass exodus of people from the core to the mid rim while the rich core worlds use what wealth they have left on conquering their neighbors for resources.

The Hutts and outer rim will likely go as usual, but the Mid rim / core world situation would be hell on earth until things settled into established states.

>>96750546
>instantly because of ahsoka
I get what you mean but it literally was this, though.
You have to remember that the CWMMP established itself and already ended by that point so throwing in that Anakin got this random padawan out of nowhere fucked the entire timeline up.

>>96753537
You can do both. I'd frame it as a 'First Order Civil War' TNO style, and have the New Republoc off to the side.

Also call me a fag but I want to see the Neo-CIS secede.

>>96753537
Yeah, I think Pathfinders had the best costumes among Rebel Troopers. It just needs to be standardized into a more uniform look if you want something that distinctly feels like NR troopers.

>>96753515
>I think the big retcon that solves a lot of things is just say the new republic didnt capitulate and sent in their fleets for the battle of exegol.
They need to retcon most of TFA, all of TLJ and 99% of TRoS.

Which is never going to happen because Disney is completely out of touch with reality, the fans and Star Wars as a whole.

>>96753996
In terms of what they could do without flushing all of the money spent on he sequels, saying the New Republic didnt fall is easy and simple. Just say that the characters in the film were wrong- like if the Germans prior to Stalingrad were saying 'yeah the russians are totally cooked now'.

I dont know. I'm a fake fan so I dont nihilistically try to write off everything Disney related because I felt like it's some based own.

>>96754163
Could always say the New Republic just returned to form after being temporarily occupied for like what was it, a year?

>>96753796
>The Hutts and outer rim will likely go as usual, but the Mid rim / core world situation would be hell on earth until things settled into established states.
Wasn't the Hutt Space already in a mess after Jabba's death inspiring many Hutt vassal planets to rebel?

>>96753996
They would also need to retcon Aftermath Trilogy (partially because it was written by incredibly incompetent Chuck Wendigo), Operation: Cinder, and probably some more of the stuff surrounding the sequels that unfortunately seeped into at least Mandalorian S2, so if any of the other stuff is salvageable, it's at best S1 of the Mandalorian.

A blue skinned Yoda

>>96754203
>They would also need to retcon Aftermath Trilogy (partially because it was written by incredibly incompetent Chuck Wendigo), Operation: Cinder,
Well yes, but nobody cared about that stuff. There were some characters that were good, but those were drowned in a sea of awful shit.
>and probably some more of the stuff surrounding the sequels that unfortunately seeped into at least Mandalorian S2, so if any of the other stuff is salvageable, it's at best S1 of the Mandalorian.
I think they can just leave that be, it really doesn't interfere and interact with the Sequels very much.
S3 is in deep shit, but in order to understand S3 you have to watch like one other show and read a book, and even then it still doesn't improve.
At that point the bad writers had taken over, anyway.

>>96754188
You could, but I think their total defeat really takes the narrative oomph out of them being a triumphant democracy that overthrew the Empire. Which if any of us care about any sort of thematic weight for the series is a bummer.

But I think there's room here to tell a compelling story. The New Republic fails against a First Order blitzkrieg, but the First Order over-extends its resources and declares victory too early without fully taking over regions they've deemed tactically insignificant while their forces are preoccupied with chasing down the Resistance. With their capital destroyed and chain of command in tatters, one can see how they assumed the New Republic 'capitulated'. But the vast amount of territory involved means the New Republic is trading space for time, rearming themselves enough to have joined in for the Battle of Exegol.

You could make some compelling characters here out of war hero's that keep up the fight, and rallying remaining New Order worlds. Show that they didn't show up to reinforce the Resistance in Last Jedi not because they gave up on the fight, but they made a tough decision about not splitting their resources.

And before anyone wants to poo-poo on the idea of trying to do anything cool because the sequels NEED to suck, Filoni already did elements of this with Resistance, the best part of the Sequels era that nobody has watched.
>>96754203
What happens in the Aftermath Trilogy I'm unfamiliar with it.

I think Operation Cinder can be salvaged by just reframing it as an overzealous scorched earth campaign that was meant to deprive resources to the advancing Rebel forces- they just miscalculated how necessary a lot of that was, blowing up a lot of their own forces when they didn't have to. Rather than just straight up razing the foundations of their own territory that the Rebels weren't at risk of taking.

>>96753344
by the Kobo preview, the speculation is only 6 of the 38 chapters are post-TRoS, and it's all immediate aftermath of Exegol stuff. I'd believe it's going to be a Finn or Jannah or Stormtrooper sequel era backstory, before it being something that genuinely add post-TRoS lore.

>>96755096
Wait really? I was half tempted to buy the book just so I could see what Disney's plans are past the sequels but guess that's a bust

>>96755066
>What happens in the Aftermath Trilogy I'm unfamiliar with it.
Here is comparison of well written novel in EU vs Chuck Wendigo. Not mentioning that he changes the time perspective at random times.
It has Battle of Jakku, so basically the key event of post Endor, and seem to have origins of the First Order, but apparently lot of it is in comic form, so not sure how good or bad the comic could be.
And Operation Cinder was in it as Emperor's plan of destroying the Empire after his apparent death.
>But the vast amount of territory involved means the New Republic is trading space for time, rearming themselves enough to have joined in for the Battle of Exegol.
The competent writing would have made it true in TLJ, but instead it was mere hours after TFA and it was by that point firmly established that NR was demilitarised, and nobody believed for a second that Resistance could afford services of the rich arms producers who supposedly sold to "both sides". Then again, TLJ suffers from "Tell, don't show" which is the bane of good storytelling.

>>96754884
The issue is that the well was poisoned from the very beginning.

>>96755287
In a week we'll know whether that's correct but it seems like a pirate/preview before buying book.

>>96752192
You know what, i'm gonna say it... I actually dig the NR Fleet Trooper outfit. Pretty cool good-guy trooper uniform. I do also kinda want to see a New Republic proper armoured trooper outfit, but i also appreciate that the entire point of the New Republic is that they're trying to keep people from associating them with the Empire, so armoured troopers is literally the last thing they want... But at the same time, the armour did serve a purpose, so it'd be cool seeing an armour for like a spec-ops team.

So what do you think is the rate of near-humans within the imperial military? And do you think some would do better than others for political or blending in reasons? Like I feel like an Echani could reasonably pull off being human.

>>96736424
This would be good if you ditched the wings. The solar panels on the Raider look weird and off-putting, and leaving them as a weird vestigial piece of the ship is a bad call, desu. One of his custom ships would fill the Raider's role while looking better, desu.

>>96755486
In my Empire Campaigns, i tend to allow Near-Humans, but always with an air of mistrust and racism surrounding the character. Because the bad guys are racist, who'd'a thunk it? But at the same time, most of the Red Guard are Echani, Thrawn is Chiss and Sly Moore and Mas Ameda are part of the top brass, so there's definitely a tolerance for some near-humans and actual Aliens.

>>96755312
So basically just the Battlefront 2 campaign.

>Then again, TLJ suffers from "Tell, don't show" which is the bane of good storytelling.
Hence it's easy to retcon.

I don't see where the resistance is coming from, it's not like any of you guys like the sequels. I'm probably the guy who likes the most stuff in the sequels, but I'm the one arguing for rampant retcons.
>>96755484
That's why I suggested there's a difference between 'Light Infantry' and 'Republic Troopers'.

Light Infantry can be the bulk of their forces who exist mostly just so the NR has an army on paper with the diplomatic weight that carries, while the Republic Troopers are the actual career guys who know what they're doing, but don't get showcased too much for propaganda reasons.

There's a similar situation for the US after the Korean War. The US demobilized it's troops post-WW2, specifically there were a lot of political calls to recall the troops even in 1945. This was what in part prompted the use of the Atom Bombs. So the military followed through on this, with tiny army in 1950 compared to 1945. They had a handful of occupation troops in Korea and Japan that were mostly treated as being on vacation, while you had a handful of major divisions across bases in the various continents. The Korean War mandated a big mobilization of the US population, alongside scrambling whatever allied forces were in the area.

The New Republic could be in a similar situation- the US Army still had a professional core, but for the sake of appearing non-antagonistic, most of the forces were just filled out for show. But with the potential to remobilize.

>>96755486
I like to figure maybe a quarter of stormtroopers were near-humans, depending on the division. It's weird and dumb to not mobilize that manpower pool. Even the Nazi's let a large number of non-germans into their ranks.
>>96755539
The Empire never seemed very racist to me. It makes sense they might be racist to races in the CIS. Like the Nemoidians. Fuck those guys.

The Empire is meant to be the inheritor of the Republic, which was a massively diverse coalition of many different cultures and races. Mas Amedda is an alien, and ostensibly Palpatine's #2. But I don't know, maybe he's the Kash Patel of Star Wars.

>>96755539
I'd assume some Imperial institutions would be more willing to recruit Near-Humans with skills that would be of use for them. Kiffar have psychometry that would make them very useful as investigators, same with Arkanians and their sciences.
Near-Humans with human-like features but different skin colours, like Zeltronians, Pantorans, Mirialan, Rattataki, Sarkhai, or Arkanian Offshoots would likely be easily incorporated into Stormtrooper or Starfighter Corps, for they have their bodies covered, but would be less likely to achieve higher rank.
The Near-Human species that are too distinct, be it faces that are not human enough, or bodies that are smaller or larger than average human could be either outright rejected or kept only for very special roles, like Royal Guard or Death Troopers, and that would be species like Sullustans, Zabrak, Twi'lek, Sephi, Etti, Nagai, Borneck, Tholothians, Pau'an, Koorivar, or Umbarans.
Some could easily pass for humans and could be treated like them, like Echani and their subspecies Thyrsians (who formed the Sun Guard and were among first Royal Guard members), O'reenian, or Hapans (though they would be betrayed by their lower capability of functioning in lower light).
And then there are Miraluka and other species that have inborn Force-sensitivity, and those would prefer steering clear of Imperial attention by majority.

You know thinking about it, what was the design committee like for the Starhawk, like I feel like the part where they need to use parts from multiple star destroyer inherently limits production capabilities of it.

>>96735511 (OP)
I cannot wait to have star wars in Jannah from Allah (SWT) after death

>>96755745
Twi'leks and Umbaran's would likely be treated as Collaberators, given the colonial attitude the Imperials have with their homeworld. Not to say that it wouldn't happen. Twi'lek's maybe more likely given the broad Twi'lek exodus- many might not hold any love for their homeworld, and identify more with Imperial culture.

>>96755312
>The issue is that the well was poisoned from the very beginning.
Probably, yes.
They could have saved it, even after TFA, if tehy had good writers and tard wranglers.
but they didn't, which is why tehy need to retcon it all or just go the Legacy era.

Sadly they still refuse to hire good writers, do not reflect on the complete failures they produced in the past decade and insist on doubling or tripling down on their idiotic choices.

Picture from a time when there was hope and optimism.

>>96755484
INR Fleet Trooper ain't too bad, it's the NR equivalent of the Imperial navy trooper. Problem is we don't have the NR Stormtrooper / Army Trooper yet

>Oh Han! I can't talk about it!
>Ok, but where is Luke going? We kind of need him.
>Oh Han, he's gone!
>What? What do you mean gone? Considering he's the last jedi in the fucking galaxy and we are about to go right into the imperial death zone he was a pretty fucking important part of my plan what the fuck

>>96756245
Sounds like they nailed how women communicate.

>>96756225
Examples of them tripling down? I feel like this is just something people are saying.

And I mean stuff that they couldn't feasibly retcon. Like 'Project Necromancer' in Bad Batch. Yes, Palpatine coming back is the stupidest thing in the world. But I'd much rather they establish Palpatine had a huge immortality project he'd been working on, than just leave that whole plot point hanging. As much as we'd like Rise of Skywalker made non-canon, that's about as feasible as asking Phantom Menace be decanonized.

>>96756471
NTA, but:
Necromancer, with its obvious connections to Gideon's plans for Yeed in the Mandalorian, is probably the shining example of tripling down. I sympathize with your willingness to see some attempt to make the single greatest bad writing decision in the ST make any kind of in-universe sense, but I think some people would actually prefer it be some writers'-room ass-pull. It's easier to ignore when the only explanation is Oscar Isaac watching his career die in real time. When you start interweaving elements of this into follow-on works, and extend the in-universe timeline for this back to the Prequels, it becomes impossible to ignore what remains a poorly decided, poorly delivered, and frankly insulting decision by JJ Abrams and his crew.

TL;DR, some anons would rather the ST just be ignored. Nothing about it ever be mentioned, nothing ever tried to make sense. Then they too can pretend that it never happened, and all remains well in the Galaxy Far, Far Away.

>>96756395
i.e. to harrison ford
not you

>>96735511 (OP)
>Tell me about your GAMES. Give us a battle report!
The battle report is old, since we are between "seasons" of my campaign, but I have been gearing up for the next arc and have some of details to hand.
I'm the GM for Foresight Team, an Imperial agents campaign I've posted about a few times before. Foresight are like the A-Team, but dumber and more fractious. In theory, they are an ambitious governor's deniable/covert operations team. In practice, they are a hilariously unsubtle brute squad that only avoid a firing squad by sheer luck and being exactly the sort of psychopaths and sociopaths that Imperial schemers think they can use to their advantage. They operate in the Klina Sector, just south of Hutt Space, and spent the prior season mostly ferreting out pirates and smugglers aligned with the Hutts.

At the end of the season, Foresight had uncovered the home base of the Gray Phantom pirates, and a small Imperial fleet was dispatched to wipe out the pirates. The pirates had been scavenging an old Lucrehulk, so they had a small army of refurbished battle droids and a powerful shield over their base to fend off bombardment. While some of the fleet's officers wished to simply overwhelm the shield with massed turbolaser fire, the Moff in charge saw an opportunity to hone the ground troops against a live (er, animate) opponent. So it would be a ground assault, like the one recently conducted in the Hoth system by the 501st.

Foresight had recently put themselves on the shit list by attempting, in a public marketplace, while being filmed by local news, to murder a COMPNOR officer without any obvious provocation or reason. (I think the player had a brain fart, but his Shoretrooper buddies immediately doubled down and made the whole thing much worse for the whole team) Rather than execute the people who had made this entire operation possible, the Moff was convinced to offer them a glorious death instead. A suicide charge through the clanker lines.

>>96756798
The six members of Foresight would be given 3 speeder bikes, and sent to reconnoiter the pirate base in advance of the main landing force. But doing so would mean breaching the defense perimeter by themselves, and drawing fire from every droid along the way. Immediately, the team set about scrounging.

One of Foresight's 3 Shoretrooper members, the scout-sniper "Warlock," stole a mouse droid. Unlucky TIE pilot "Flinch" and ladder-climbing Stormtrooper "Bull," began calling in favors from other units aboard the Star Destroyer, acquiring an extra bike and a supply of explosives. Flinch reprogrammed "Lieutenant Mouse" and wired the little droid into the fourth bike, to carry the explosives for a kamikaze attack. Meanwhile, tech-minded Shoretrooper "Boomy" repaired an old CIS missile beacon he'd collected on the previous mission, so that heavy weapon Shoretrooper "Rip" could fire it from his rocket launcher. Lastly, the team's Twi'lek medic/mad scientist "Tails" dosed her boys up with an unhealthy amount of agility-boosting stims. Very important, since only Flinch had speeder training!

Foresight came screaming out of the dropship. Rip lobbed the beacon into a dug-in platoon of B-1s, which caused the first volley from a Hailfire droid to tear its fellow bots apart. Warlock shot a STAP out of the air, and Boomy tossed grenades at nearby droids. Flinch, Bull, and Tails did their best to evade incoming fire, diving through the storm of blaster bolts with near misses and grazing hits that scorched their plastoid armor or jostled their bikes. Somehow Lt. Mouse managed to avoid taking any hits at all. It seemed like Flinch had accidentally uplifted the little droid, turning it into an impressive pilot. Triumph and Advantages on the programming roll, plus lucky rolls during the battle. We're using FFG's system. The kamikaze droid weaved through the chaos of battle, closing in on the designated Hailfire...

>>96756990
Lt. Mouse lets out a high-pitched squeal of triumph, then explodes. The blast sets off the Hailfire's magazines. There is still a second Hailfire, though, so Flinch and Boomy veer off to attack it. These two were a pilot/gunner team during an airspeeder race on Nar Shaddaa (my favorite arc), and the bike they are using is Flinch's custom ride, so they pepper the Hailfire with rockets and mounted repeating blaster. At the same time, the rest of the team is zig-zagging their way towards the objective, weathering fire and taking out some STAPs and B-2s.

The second hailfire explodes, but one of its missiles still whistles down to explode just behind Flinch and Rip, sending their bike spinning wildly, a scant meter over the rocky ground. Flinch fights it back upright and stable, only to look back and see a B-2's wrist rocket slam into Bull and Boomy's bike. Thinking that their teammates are dead (or possibly just hoping!), the still-mobile bikes finish their breakthrough. But wait! Blaster fire from the smoke and dust where the bike crashed. Bull and Boomy are alive! And pinned down.

Flinch groans. He's an officer, yes, but not their leader, not even their friend. The mouse droid, in its brief career, was a better ally to him than these troopers. But he tells Tails and Warlock to take Rip, because he's going back. His bike trails smoke. Boomy fires away with his E-11, while Bull draws his family's vibrosword to hack through a droid that blocks his path. The bots are closing in and the bike can't take another hit, so Flinch explains his plan over comms. He's going to do a power slide, and the stranded troopers need to leap on right before he zips off again. Flinch's bike slides. Boomy leaps at just the right moment. Bull's foot slips on debris, and the bike hits him.

When Bull wakes up, he is on the ground outside the pirate base. His right arm was severed by the impact, but Boomy hauled him onto the bike to escape. They made it through the gauntlet.

>>96757098
Now the rest of the Imperial landing force is coming in, AT-ATs and TIE bombers breaking up the droid formations while stormtroopers pick off the scattered bots. Bull receives medical care from Tails while the rest of the team checks in with Governor Zagan, their boss. Zagan is relieved that they survived, and asks them to enter the base before anyone else. He's concerned the pirates were in league with one of his rivals, and wants Foresight to check the pirate computer logs for evidence. Having made it this far, Foresight agrees.

Bull is unhappy to come out of the fog of painkillers and find that Tails has replaced his arm with a "spare" she took from a pirate on the previous mission. It is green, scaly, and only has four fingers. As a vocal advocate for High Human Culture, Bull grits his teeth and resolves to not use this degenerate alien appendage. This limits his options as Boomy slices the door controls and the team fights their way into the base. Only a handful of pirates are standing guard, the others trying to escape using a giant drill. Rather than pursue, Foresight heads to the computer room. The ramshackle arrangement requires Rip to power the data-tape archive using a pedal contraption, while Flinch pits his slicing skills against a CIS droid brain acting as system security. Waves of battledroids are sent down the hall to interfere, with the troopers trying to suppress them long enough for Flinch to get the data.

Once the data is wrested away and the relevant tapes are in hand, Foresight falls back and reports that the pirates have a drill vehicle they are using to burrow away. The bombardment plan is reinstated, and turbolaser blasts dig deep into the planet's crust. Pirates destroyed. Mission accomplished.

>>96756225
>Sadly they still refuse to hire good writers
they do have good writers, they're just only working on animation

in my opinion, live action is failing due to creators ego's and nepotism

So, are the rumors that they are planning on introducing fucking Mara Jade into the nu-canon true or the fans are grasping at straws again?

>>96757576
grasping at straws, I believe it stems from amy adams apparently being cast in starfighter

>>96757682
this, also I don't understand why the fuck anyone would want it anyway, its not like they've done any character justice so far.

>>96755850
The star destroyer is the most widely available battleship in star wars history. Additionally the New Republic owns all the places that produced Star Destroyers.

>>96756798
>>96756990
>>96757098
>>96757276
Very cool, sounds like an awesome FFG campaign. How much xp gained are they are so far?

>>96757749
And Luke already died unmarried and childless, bringing Mara to Disney would only make people more angry.
If anything, Shira Brie/Lumiya would make more sense.

>>96758597
they could always retcon that mara and kylo were killed when Luke's academy burned down, they wouldn't but it doesn't say anywhere luke didnt get some nookie

>>96758678
mara and originalben, or whatever their kid is***

>>96758684
>Luke and Mara have twin kids named Jacen and Jaina

>>96755850
I assume it's because they had loads of salvage from wrecked ISDs, as well as the former Imperial shipyards geared towards producing ISDs, but for political reasons building the NR navy around ISDs with a new coat of paint wouldn't look good. So they figured how to use the existing components and production facilities to build a new ship class.
Presumably over time they would have retooled the ISD component production lines and phased out the Starhawk in favor of a class designed from ground up to NR use, but it would make a good stopgap design.

>>96758706
I'm still pissed filoni stole jacens name

The Old Republic seems like it was written by Indians

>>96755066
>somehow, the New Republic has returned.

>>96758720
In the Squadrons campaign, you steal an ISD for Project Starhawk.

how are the high republic books? that guy Luke talked to in that brain planet seemed ok. I like the idea of books about Jedi where there aren't any sith.

>>96758490
Around 200xp, plus some freebies I gave to each character, and another experience bump when we pick the game back up in a few months. Though some of these guys haven't spent points since character creation.

I'm excited to continue the story through the end of the GCW and into the Warlord Period, though I'm also trying to figure out how to properly challenge a team of 6 PCs that are coming up on "Knight level" amounts of experience.

>>96755708
>The Empire never seemed very racist to me.
To wit, Chewie was the ONLY alien attached to the Rebel Alliance for the first two movies, not counting tauntauns.

It's not until RotJ that the Rebel side got diversified. I wonder if there was a point where the GCW was thought of by the common man as a "human fight".

>>96755745
>Hapans (though they would be betrayed by their lower capability of functioning in lower light)
Wait, Hapans weren't just a culture of matriarchal Humans? They did photosynthesis or what?

>>96760612
They live in Hapes Cluster, so there is a fuckton of stars there, so even a night is very bright, which means they have trouble seeing in darker conditions, opposite to Umbarans, who have trouble with brighter light.

>>96737956
Buy a Spark of Rebellion starter if you can find it cheap, otherwise the Legends of Force ones (Qui Gonn and Maul). Spark has more staple cards, LoF is where the game evolved to, doesn't matter if you like the game you'll enjoy them the same. If you like the game, go to your FLGS on a SWU night, talk to the players, talk to the store owners if they have sets of common, uncommon cards to give away, frequently players buy packs and give away the C/U cards they don't need and this is the fastest way to build up your collection. Take the cards, check out what's there, try to make a deck. Once you have that, go online and buy C/U sets from the previous sets, they cost 30 dollars each and are a much better starting point than buying boosters.
Finally, once you have a decent number of cards, choose a deck you want to play and buy the singles you need for it from players or online. You'll figure out where you want to go from there.
The game is growing and it just had its largest tournament in Spain. I'd say it's a good time now to jump in.

>>96759594
Thats cool, so you're doing timeskips and stuff to take them further and further. I bet they're gonna go wild when the opportunity to form their own warlord state comes

I've got a group of 6 that are nearing 1400 xp gained, my best advice
>Throw tons of bullshit at them, they can handle it
>Fear effects, environmental debuffs, force user shenanigans
>At least one nemesis per combat focused character
>Rocket launchers and thermal detonators are your friend, but don't spam them
>Waves of enemies, not everyone will be a problem at round 1
Also in-story stakes should logically continue to climb. Enemies will become aware of the party and build counter measures to their tactics. Skilled hackers will be met by skilled counter hackers, and so on.

But to be completely honest I've also been barely treading water since around 200xp gained as well. Best of luck to you!

>>96755312
>that pic
I should be a writer
Like that’s so bad it becomes inspirational.

>>96761772
Everybody wants to write, nobody wants to read

>>96756652
>I sympathize with your willingness to see some attempt to make the single greatest bad writing decision in the ST make any kind of in-universe sense, but I think some people would actually prefer it be some writers'-room ass-pull
I'm just not one of those people.

Don't get me wrong in the perfect world Rise of Skywalker would have never happened, but we don't live in that world. And I'd much rather the curve get streered into than they attempt to over-correct, which is exactly how we got Rise of Skywalker in the first place.

Now- I'd rather this not become like a central focus. Personally the 'how' Palpatine came back I think is sufficiently explained that maybe the rest is done in a comic. So I don't think it needs much more focus. I think what needs more explaining is the origins of the First Order- but I want to keep Palpatine's hands off of that much more. Like play more into the whole Imperial Warlord era and have the First Order just be the one who won the whole confrontation.
>>96757556
I think that's certainly a part of it. I think though- it comes more down to the investor class. Who simultaneously have all the power in our society, and are the dumbest motherfuckers in the universe. They need every single thing explained to them in the form of a spreadsheet, and they need assurances that whatever they fund will make a bajillion dollars or else nothing gets funded.

Animation, because it's considered a 'lower' form of entertainment is beneath the notice of investors, cause they don't think animated shows move the franchise like live-action does. Hence creatives just get to make their own creative decisions, and don't try to turn it into an 'everything' show.

>>96760596
I think that was what the initial expanded universe went with.

Of course, this was a matter of budget- George wanted the universe to be fantastically diverse with all kinds of different aliens. Hence Luke doesn't treat Tuskens, Jawa's, or Wookies as anything out of the ordinary. But George didn't have the budget. Which is where the Cantina scene comes in- one of the most efficient scenes in history, as it pulls ALL the heavy-lifting in this regards.

>>96760596
Now that you say that it means we have an equal amount of aliens supporting the empires as we see aliens supporting the rebels in ANH (the spy in Mos Eisley and Chewie)

>>96755850
I dunno, I mean, the New Republic needed a symbol of power and they wanted to distance themselves from the Empire as much as possible, so repurposing Star Destroyers doesn't work... But taking all of their parts and building something else that can 1v1 a Star Destroyer sounds perfectly reasonable. And since there's likely to be a surpluss of them after the surrender and they are trying to downsize from "Hundreds of smaller battlegroups" into a Fleet in Being, this makes perfect sense. Make a ship that is powerful, but is also based on the Old Republic Hammerhead designs to strengthen their legitimacy as a true resurrection of the Old Republic.

I can spend an uncomfortably long time reading the Star Wars wikia but can barely sit still to read some Star Wars games books.
Anybody else like this and if you did overcome this, how?

>>96763628
Audiobooks. Star Wars audiobooks are top tier

>>96755066
>Resistance, the best part of the Sequels era that nobody has watched
Preach, brother.

>>96762321
Chewie's pretty much a mercenary in New Hope to boot.

>watching Jeopardy
>"Amandla Stenberg doubles the fun playing Osha & Mae on this "Star Wars" series set during the High Republic" ($400)
>nobody buzzes in
oof

>>96764376
im my experience normies don't give a fuck about sw tv shows unless its mando

Sovl

>>96764393
Normies also went apeshit for Obi-Wan, but that's because it's an actual movie character that they recognize.

>>96763930
Finally, someone who appreciates Resistance. I will say, Episodes 1-4 are bad... REALLY BAD. Like, holy shit, it took me a few attempts to get through that opening. But as soon as it actually gets going, it becomes really damn solid. Not "HOLY SHIT, IT'S THE BEST FUCKING THING EVER!" But just really solid and entertaining. Season 2 especially. Season 2 is pretty much everything The Last Jedi failed to be. A high stakes game of Cat & Mouse where our heroes are trying to stay one step ahead of the bad guys while also trying to keep their broken ship running and finding any port in a storm.

I am sick and tired of everyone going "Sequel Trilogy based, instantly into the trash" When quite a few things AROUND the ST have been fairly decent, even if the actual movies were a heaping pile of shite.

Again, not perfect, but good enough. And miles better than some of the Legends shit that people seem to defend. I am thoroughly convinced that the only people who say how great the Yuzhan Vong stuff is are the people who's only experience with that shit is the plot synopsis of the war on Wookieepedia.

>>96765505
animation tends to be better than live action, especially these days
resistance was dealt a bad hand because it was released at the same time as the sequels, which got a bad rap
it was also lower budget than rebels, which was low budget to begin with and they decided to have it focus on its own characters rather than throw a bunch of TCW character cameos in it yes I know about the ventress thing but theres a debate on if it's true or not

but other than that? a decent little show that knew the audience it wanted to appeal to, and I cannot fault it for that

>>96761727
Thanks, friend. I'll be sure to pop back up with more stories once we get rolling again

>>96765602
I'd argue that all of those B2 Battle Droids they find in season 2 is an example of "Memba da Clone Wars?" But i will also accept that lack of budget may be a factor. A lot cheaper and easier to port existing movement frames to the new animation style than have to design a whole, brand new bunch of battle droids for the new era to serve the exact same purpose.

Also, who doesn't love B1 Battle Droids?

>>96735511 (OP)
>TQ
>Crew is made of semi-professional bounty hunters
>Pick up a job from a Selonian hive
>The hive 'prince', a high value breeding stock male, has run away to Centrepoint Station.
>The crew hears 'high value breeding stock male' and immediately dubs him the King of Cum
>They get to Centrepoint, get involved with a Sorceress at a farmer's market, and find a lost pig
>Half the crew is into wizardry and stick with the sorceress while the other two, a Force Sensitive con man and a doctor with a drug habit, trace leads to the King of Cum
>They track him down to a seedy dive bar catering to animalistic aliens
>Called 'Fuzzies'
>So into the theme, the hologram sign is blurry
>Several players hate this
>Inside is 80% dance floor, smoke, and thumpin techno
>UNCE UNCE UNCE UNCE
>The con man shmoozes his way into the backroom with the doctor where several aliens lounge on a cat tree blasted on intoxicants
>King of Cum is a little otter guy hanging on the tree
>He talks to the crew like he's the Cheshire Cat
>Turns out, his life is so controled in the hive he justs wants to run away and experience the freedom of life
>also shit tonnes of drugs
>Con man and doctor appeal to his senses, get him to agree to come along, talk things out.
>Doctor notices the thumping techno has stopped.
>Door smashes open
>It's a mando, a rival bounty hunter
>Con man grabs the KoC and threatens him with a blaster
>!?s all around
>"If you don't let us go, neither of us get the bounty"
>Mando huffs
>"I'm not here for him"
>Turns his weapons on the doctor, who retaliates with an improvised weapon (pipe)
>Doctor and mando push the fight onto the dance floor
>Mando backs off when his flamethrower starts acting erratic
>In the aftermath, KoC is like, "wtf was that about?"
>They seemingly smooth things over, and KoC agrees to come in, provided he gets to see the concert showing in the center of Centrepoint
>"What concert?"
>"Miku!"
>Player who created this in-joke says suggests they kill the KoC

>>96763917
Any suggestions on where to start?

Holy shit, after many years I finally found a group. We'll be playing Edge of the Empire, and I need a character.
I'm thinking about an antique sith training droid, but I have my doubts regarding the long term fun I'll have with it. Does anyone have experience with playing droids? How do you flesh them out, beyond their primary functions? If the game starts with "You all meet in a cantina", where would you find it?

>>96766194
Pick an era, there are so many books it's just best to pick at what timeline you're interested in. Want to see Luke and the gang continue their adventures? Look up the thrawn trilogy. (Generic answer i know but it really is a good primer.)

>>96766555
What's the premise for the game?

>>96767335
The only things I know so far is that it's taking place after episode VI in the fringes of the former empire, where criminals, warlords, and other elements of the underworld see the opportunity to claim power.
We'll be using legends canon.

>>96766555
>>96767409
The FFG books are also built around the legends canon and give good advice on playing a droid PC. First you must decide: Am I a sentient droid or a non-sentient droid.
>A non-sentient droid will follow its programming, they still have personalities but aren't allowed to deviate from what they're told. You're basically playing an asimov robot with a preprogrammed set of beliefs and traits.
>A sentient droid is by all intents a person. However they are widely illegal, it is by law that droids must be regularly wiped so they don't become sentient. IG-88 is an example of a sentient droid that hated organics.

Obligation is the main way you flesh out your character in Edge of the Empire. It's a mechanic where every session the GM randomly rolls a die to see whose obligation has to come into play this session. Usually it is an element of your backstory: a cartel you betrayed, an addiction you have, an oath you have taken. Obligations can be completed and gained mid campaign, but its important to think about what your droid is dealing with that will define them as a unique character.

In my campaign I have two sentient droid PCs. One that is a battle droid who has slowly gone schizo, the other is an escaped drug formulation bot for the Pykes who has taken on the mission of liberating droid kind. Two very different characters despite both being droids working for freedom from their past owners due to the nature of their obligations.

Perhaps a sith training bot has an addiction to high stake fights, or your programming is somewhat twisted by sith corruption. Just think on if you're sentient, and what your obligation may be.

>>96767409
>>96766555
If your playing a droid I'd recommend taking some inspiration from I-Five in the books by Michael Reaves as a droid who slowly develops sentience and the capability to have his emotions felt through the force (even got Vader of all people interested).

>>96751696
I assumed the Senate Guard was eventually absorbed into the Royal Guard.

>>96735511 (OP)
Seeing young mark just makes me sad when I see the sad depressed shell of an old man he's become.

>>96764393
To be fair mandalorian was pretty much the first decent Star Wars media that came out after the bad sequel trilogy so of course everyone and me ate it up.
Can’t really blame them.

>>96769841
It was the first decent Star Wars thing since return of the jedi

>>96765920
I mean more in the sense that it doesnt use TCW characters to make people watch the show
Rebels did that, basically every "iconic" moment of that show is to do with TCW characters, not rebels characters, basically every discussion is about TCW characters, and it's followup show, is about a TCW character!

>>96770247
kek this nigga retarded

>>96770259
it's true though

>>96770216
So what was the secret ingredient that made it stand out as decent?

>>96770654
Episodic street-level Mandalorian adventures that were relatively free of Jedi and glup shittos. Most of that was lost with season 2 but parts of it were still good.

>>96770654
Not being retarded dogshit like the prequels or sequels

>>96765505
Every animated show takes a while to hit its stride. Clone Wars is the longest in this regard. Bad Batch was pretty good it the gate though.

Anyway best treatment for the Sequels is just focus on original stories using the broadest framework.

Imagine Clone Wars without Obi-Wan or Anakin.
>>96765602
Also my favorite artstyle personally. I love that flash animation look.
>>96765920
Personally I love the idea of clone wars era surplus floods the illegal markets post-war. Not unlike the post USSR collapse.

**penis lesbian butt fart**

>>96770860
Alright, who put on the TCW marathon?

>>96735511 (OP)
>TQ: Tell me about your GAMES.
Playing FFG swRPG, a (slow) campaign.
We're in the mid-late Imp era, currently doing some underworld stuff.
But we appear to have a Rebel contact, and pretty much all our PCs do not like the Empire (anymore)

>>96769747
life does that to you

>>96735511 (OP)
Going through a zombie thing with my group. Kind of wish i knew about starfall before hand so i could have used it but a zombie walker might have been too weird. Also trying to plan some underworld stuff for them later. Something something jabba and black sun i guess.

>>96772077
>Something something jabba and black sun i guess.
Rival small-timer cartel (actually a front for a CorpSec bioresearch firm) hires them to run spice into Hutt space (it's something they grew in a vat and want to field test).
They come across slavers, and get to liberate some Twi'leks/Arkanians/Zeltrons/Cathar and save them from a horrible life in the Pleasure Domes of Nar Shaddaa.

Yeah OK not very creative, I know.

Play Legion. It's a lot of fun

>>96772297
I don't enjoy Legion, but I'm glad you do

>>96772297
It is.
Is that an Ithorian jedi with the Droidekas and B2? Looks like a cool kitbash.
Were you trying out the new generic commanders/operatives?
How was it?

>>96772695
I'm guessing the fleet troopers won there

How do you go from this.....

>>96772711
..............to this

>>96772702
Yeah. But he had killed Luke along with a bunch of Sleeper Cells dudes before so his Clones managed to clean up after him.
The battle ended in a draw with Rebels winning on kill points. Pretty good for a starter game, though it can be a bit hard to balance the teams at 600pts.
Rebels get Luke, 2 big Rebel Troopes squads with SX-21, 1 Fleet Troopers unit with scattergun and medic, 2 Sleeper Cells with Astromechs all with some upgrades.
GAR gets Anakin with upgrades, 2 big Clone Trooper squads with DP-21 and 2 ARC.
Right now it feels a bit biased towards Rebels because of the activation advantage, but I can't really give GAR and Rebels the same unit count without having rebels play at a significant point deficit.

>>96772781
afaik CLuke isn't very good even with his buff

>>96772711
>>96772716
I think greater krayt dragon (the multi-legged one) and the kanyon krayt are supposed to be different species. Probably completely different genera, really, that just both get called krayt dragons because that's the established name for big reptilian predators from Tatooine.

>>96772831
So after tens of thousands of years of intergalactic exchange any big, multi-legged vaguely reptilian thing is just called 'krayt dragon'?

>>96772695
Eyy, that's a cool Anakin-Vader
>Ithorian Jedi
Yeah, it is a kitbash of the jedi guardian and I think it's a head from the a rebel kit.
>New generic commanders/operatives
They are a lot of fun. For CIS, I think the operative provides a lot of utility - from Aid, through Overclock, all the way to the ridiculously busted 3 pip they got. It can also smack pretty hard with that electro-staff.
As for the republic, the general consensus seems to be that the Jedi guardian is by far the best doctrine, especially when combined with the double saber. There are also some interesting interactions with force adept and clairvoyance/burst of speed.
>>96772781
That's a lot of dodge tokens. It's good to see that new players are getting added to the hobby :))

>>96772912
Krayt dragons specifically refer to the ones native to Tatooine I think, but there are some other similar big reptilian predators on other planets that also get called [something] dragons, like kell dragons.

lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AHtcuYU69w

>>96768608
Thanks for the advice! I guess his quirk will be a more liberal interpretation of his primary programming: Kill wannabe sith. If there aren't any sith around, he'll use the time to get better at killing them, and maybe look for some potential dire younglings.

>>96769738
Cheers, I'll take a look at it.

>>96774676
>>96774830
Buy an ad.

>>96772297
Would the scale be right to kitbash some 40k Guard models into Rebel troops?

>>96775719
Do you want an army of Short Kings?

>>96775927
>short, malnourished and unwashed rebel terrorist
>tall, proud, honourable Defender of Mandalore

I got a FFGSWRPG question.

If a character gets Survival due to their race, but the PC in question has lived practically all of their life in an underground city complex/ecumenopolis. . . .what do I give that PC instead?
Survival is pretty explicitly outdoorsy stuff, hunting, tracking, survivalcraft, finding shelter etc.

What is the 'street smart' kind of equivalent to this?

>>96780135
Have you ever read the Ciaphas Cain 40k novels? In them, Cain is said to have grown up in a hive city and has a near supernatural ability to know exactly where he is and which direction he's heading in any confined space or tunnel system.
Something like that.

Or to add to that, the ability to recognize hobo/gang symbols, at least on their own world.

Or the ability to recognize wear and tear to cityscapes. To know at a glance if a hole in concrete (or its equivalent) is naturally made (and thus unstable) or intentionally carved (and thus used by local gangs/urchins as a pathway).

>>96780135
Depending on my plans for the campaign and what rough build the player is aiming for, I'd either allow that character to use Survival but only in cities and ecumenopoleis, or I'd give them Skulduggery instead.

I hate how the mandalorian whitewashed bo-katan, and I hate how the mandalorian just completely ignores basically EVERYTHING to do with mandalore in TCW

seems really weird? like it's some form of spite towards it so it gets ignored
satine, deathwatch etc should have all really been referenced by now
maybe its just bad writing and not actually spite

>>96780800
Satine was right
She was a rare non-retarded mandalorian

>>96780803
>planet has been an active warzone for centuries and the entire surface gets glassed
>"hey maybe we should cut this shit out"
>TRVE MANDALORIANS sperg out, cause a civil war, cause a coup after allying with the sith after losing the civil war, cause the planet to become an active warzone again, civil war with THEMSELVES because half are racists and hate tradition now? cause the republic to intervene due to the amount of sperging (apparently cant keep it an internal issue?), planet continues to be a warzone for 20 years until the racist mandalorians beat the racist empire and then the racist empire just nukes the planet again and it becomes an active warzone (again)

>>96780803
Being retarded is part of Mandalorian culture, though.

>>96780803
Satine was weak. Idealism is meaningless when you can't actually stand up for those ideas. She couldn't. And those ideas died with her.

>>96780860
>le racism
They/them underage xitter user star wars comprehension moment.

>>96780882
why else would bo-katan go against maul?
he won a traditional duel that is legal by mandalorian law

>>96780860
Sperging out, allying with the Sith, getting your asses handed to you and having civil wars are all traditional parts of Mando culture going back thousands of years.

>>96780895
It was explained why. Why are you stupid?

>>96780926
no it wasnt

>>96780931
Yes it was. Go back, underage brown queer.

>>96780935
prove it

>>96780938
>spoonfeed me daddy, I am too stupid
No. Babysitting mentally challenged is not my job.

>>96780975
>t. filonijew

>>96780980
See: >>96780935

>>96780151
>Cain is said to have grown up in a hive city
Though it's also noted that a very influential Inquisitor in regular close personal contact with Cain was never able to determine, even with full Inquisitorial access to all his memoirs, notes, and records, exactly what hive city he came from or if his claims of coming from a hive were even true.
Which makes the notion of those survival skills and how or where he got them a story in itself.

>>96780803
She still was retarded.
>New Mandalorians reached power thanks to Republic military
>preaches extreme pacifism
>defended by a military group that doesn't even have a base on the main planet
>wanted to demilitarise the Clans, take away their armour, and start selling Beskar to outsiders before her ideology got widespread acceptance
She was more a politician from Coruscant, Chandrila, or Alderaan than a Mandalorian.

>>96780975
Different Anon, but how is Maul wrong here? Death Watch were as much of retards as New Mandalorians were, Maul knew their culture more than enough, and earned his position by duel fair and square. Bo-Katan was butthurt, because he wasn't one of the Clans, which means she believes in inheritance more than in ideology, which is why she sees herself as a rightful heir to Mandalore, despite Clan Kryze not being even legitimate rulers of it anyway.

>>96780860
no it hasn't and no it wasn't.

mandalore is almost supergiant size, almost too big to be a planet, almost gas giant size. A very sparsely populated planet, which because of its size is still a lot of people. it was settled by the original inhabitants of coruscant, and eventually, their adoptee descendants. it is a jungle planet. a bush planet.

>>96780895
no he didn't. duels are only legal between normal beings. anyone with the force is automatically disqualified.

>>96781265
it's a desert dustbowl

>>96781271
what about tarre viszla?
or (can't believe I have to bring this up) sabine?

>>96781274
no it isn't.

>>96781283
looks like it to me on screen

>>96781295
>>96781282
not canon. never happened.

>>96781214
Maul isn't a Mandalorian. The entire plot of this arc was Maul looking for fools to exploit to build a power base for his own goals. He tried that with pirates. He failed. He succeeded with Mandalorians, because their "code" was a weakness that allowed him to exploit them. He did not actually care about it in a meaningful way. He said it explicitly. His only goal was to exploit them as muscle for his personal motives that didn't factor Mandalore and its people anywhere in them. They were tools, expendable pawns.

His goal was establishing Underworld Empire, and Death Watch were to be reduced to yet another criminal scum next to Black Sun, Pykes and the Hutts. Even though they are villains, Death Watch were above that. They had actual ideology of their own beyond money, they had pride and identity. Vizsla and Bo wanted strong but INDEPENDENT Mandalore, and they wanted to decide their own goals and future, they wanted to fight their OWN wars and do the things their way, and not be pawns of a Sith, whose interests have nothing in common with theirs.

Vizsla and Bo knew that, and they were actively aware of it, and explicitly said that they can't trust Maul, but they needed him to get Mandalore back, and they need to kill him immediately once it is done. They were arrogant to think they could use him and get away with it. Maul outmaneuvered them by exploiting their dogmatic adherence to their "tradition" and used it against them, which was their downfall. He publicly challenged Vizsla in front of his men, questioning not only his authority but his loyalty to their traditions, his honor as a warrior. Vizsla had no choice but to accept it, or he'd lose everything. If Vizsla was smart like Hondo, he'd just put a bullet in Maul's head when he had the chance. Bo Katan was willing to betray her ideals, her reputation, her brothers in arms, but it was absolutely the right thing to do. And she was right: when their usefulness came to an end, Maul just abandoned them.

Time to reread some Star Wars kino

>>96781652
History of Bo-Katan is betraying ideals of those she joins with, reputation, brothers in arms, and family, all because she has no true ideals she holds value to, she only cares about her own personal gain.
Maul abandoned Mandalorians only when they were losing, and he knew what was coming when he would be brought to Coruscant as a prisoner, and they lost only because Bo-Katan betrayed Death Watch and splintered a faction with her that could aid the Republic in overthrowing her former comrades.
Those that followed Maul followed Mandalorian traditions where it doesn't matter if the leader was defeated by an outsider, he is still the new leader by that victory.

What you do not understand, is that Death Watch of Vizslas is just as bad for Mandalore as New Mandalorians were, and even allying with criminal organisations to form an Underground organisation that neither the Republic nor CIS is aware of the true scope of would give better results than Mandalorians on their own, with the ambitions that Death Watch harbored, because what they wanted wasn't to be left alone, but to conquer.

>>96780800
I think the crux of our problem is TCW's handling of Mandalore doesn't make any sense. Bo-Katan is introduced as Vizla's hot but two-dimensional (character-wise) sidekick, and we are given no indication about what differences she has with Vizla, if any. Then, when Maul kills Vizla and takes control, she rebels because he isn't a *real* Mandalorian, rescues Kenobi, and from then on out she's suddenly a good guy. The lack of change in attitude, combined with the fact that her clannish approach to Mandalore is treated as a good thing in Rebels while being a bad thing in TCW creates a dilemma.

We get introduced to Satine in TCW as the objective good guy. Definitely pompous, and at least initially overly-fond of huffing her own farts, but she's trying to uplift her people from their backward ways that brought their planet to ruin. Vizla's Death Watch (and by extension, Bo-Katan), are clearly painted as bad guys. They're terrorists, thugs, and they work with all the series' other villains. But then we get a second Mandalorian Civil War, and Bo-Katan and her Nite Owls (who are all just former Death Watch, remember) are suddenly the good guys. This continues through Rebels and the Mandalorian.

So what are we, the audience, to conclude? Is Satine a conservative Aesop about the dangers of abandoning a peoples' traditions and culture in the quest for "enlightenment?" Is Bo-Katan a Senator Armstrong-esque "using Mandalorian militancy to end Mandalorian militancy?" Do the writers have no idea what the fuck they're doing other than trying to ape the Klingons from Star Trek?

>>96782148
Weird how you blame TCW for the things that Rebels and later shows did.

Satine was not meant to be wholly good and right. She failed. Tremendously. A lot of people do not seem to realize this, but Lucas is NOT a pacifist, and he views pacifism as ultimately futile. He said it again and again, you have to actually FIGHT for good, and you have to be ready to take the sheriff badge and go to town, even though you said you'd never do it. That's why Jedi fighting the war was right. War is not good, obviously, it is not desirable, and it is a tragedy. But at some point it is a necessity. You have to fight to protect what you love. You have to fight the Empire. You have to go out and shoot a bunch of people and blow up Death Star. If they were like Satine, they'd just pointlessly die without making any real difference, and it would have been irrelevant. This was shown with Satine and Lurmens before her in S1. And it was Satine's government that fostered corruption that let the Death Watch ultimately come to power, too. She was a failure, and Death Watch merely capitalized on her failures.

Bo-Katan's difference is that she is flexible (heh), and she won't blindly adhere to dogma if it means her enslavement. She is a grey character, indeed. But later in Rebels and Mando they ignored it. And they just made her straight up a hero, which brings us to the next topic: Rebels and Mando fundamentally not engaging with Mandalorian culture, sanitizing it, turning them into a bunch of marketable baby yoda dads for middle aged women. They are teh good guys now, because Disney.

Ideally, there had to be an actual introspective into the fundamentally destructive nature of Mandalorian culture, but also a realization that Satine's way was just as self-destructive. We have thesis and anti-thesis. We needed synthesis, achieved in an organic way, which Rebels and Mandalorian didn't do. There is also a lot to be said about Favreau, who is a Jew, and clearly treats Mandos as Jews.

>>96782286
I see what you're saying, and I'll concede you have a fairer assessment of Satine. Maybe we have a disagreement on a key premise, specifically, when should they have explained to us Bo-Katan's motives and end-goal.

To me, that should have come somewhere after her rescue of Kenobi. We got the Mandalorian civil war arc as the final climax for real this time of TCW, but we still don't know why Bo-Katan's sided with the Republic beyond Maul killing her sister and her boss and her being butthurt about that. With everything we know about her as a character at that point, there is nothing to indicate this is anything other than a disagreement over who gets to be dictator for life of Mandalore, yet the writers treat Bo-Katan already as the noble mujahideen. If I read your post correctly, you don't think we need the explanation there, but we would need it by the time we get to Rebels, at least some acknowledgement of her role in bringing Mandalore to the state it's in by the time our heroes get there.

>>96782286
You can take a Mandalorian out of armed conflicts, but you can't take conflicts out of Mandalorians.
They need something to fight, methods could be malleable to make them stop being conquering retards that tries to bite more than they can chew, put them into work as detectives, lawyers, politicians, merchants, but make them think of those professions as new areas of war, and you can actually get something out of it. But pure pacifism? That was bound to blow in Satine's face. Especially when she was intending to sell to Republic something that the majority of Mandalorians, even among her supporters, considered sacred to the Mandalorian culture.

>>96750431
the first to talk gets to become my apprentice

>>96755312
>well written novel in EU
>slammed into me a lightspeed
senpai, it aint' that good.

>>96782481
She didn't side with the Republic, she used them to get rid of Maul. She was opposed to Republic's occupation, if you recall. It was supposed to be a deal: the Republic gets Maul, and she gets Mandalore. At this point, she had no one else to turn to. She didn't have the resources to take out Maul on her own. She only had her small splinter group.

People also overestimate Bo-Katan's attachment to Satine. Some fundamental familial feelings buried deep down probably still lingered, but they went separate ways a long time ago, and ideologically they were still very much enemies. It's just that Maul was the bigger enemy and a bigger threat. She even called Satine an "enemy" when she released her, "Enemy of my enemy is my friend". Maybe she changed her mind from wanting her outright dead when she was with Vizsla, and it kinda stinged that Maul just executed her to piss off Obi-Wan for teh lulz. Indeed, she tried to emotionally manipulate Obi-Wan with that, but Obi-Wan was having none of that, because he is a gigachad stoic Jedi Master in control of his emotions and judgement. But Bo-Katan did that because she was desperate, and they had hot intelligence on Maul, so they had to act immediately.

I wouldn't say Vizsla and Bo wanted to be dictators. Not in the Imperial Palpatine sense, anyway. Wouldn't be a democracy, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. They wanted to reclaim Mandalore and return it to tradition, make it strong, feared and independent. Embrace their roots, restore their identity, raise another generation of warriors. Would there be a war eventually? Sure. They are Mandos. It's inevitable. But it would've been THEIR war that they CHOSE for their OWN glory, their OWN purpose and motivations, and not being a bunch of expendable pawns in the hands of a criminal Sith overlord, who turned your planet into a staging ground for criminals, and wants to waste your lives to piss off Obi-Wan and have revenge on his step daddy Sheev, and then dump you.

>>96782903
People like Viszla and Bo-Katan are the reason why Mandalore got nuked by Republic from orbit, people like them would only make it worse. And as Gideon has shown, it did.

>>96782990
Mandalore was nuked by the Empire and it apparently happened after Return of the Jedi. I'd bet if Vizsla was in charge, they would actually be able to fight back.

>>96783019
Literally anyone else would be better than Bo-Katan, especially Maul.

>>96783053
don't get too uppity.

>>96783282
>Luke Skywalker (68) marrying his sixth wife (18) in Life Day Chapel, Nar Shaddaa

>>96772297
Too busy working on my Star Wars chain of command homebrew

>>96782286
>Satine was not meant to be wholly good and right. She failed. Tremendously.
NTA, but I really saw her as a reflection on the Republic as a whole failing, maybe for slightly different reasons.

>Weird how you blame TCW for the things that Rebels and later shows did.
I'm not him, but I never found it odd that in a period of turmoil and civil war allegiances shift suddenly, and that factions cooperate out of convenience instead of conviction.

Also
>pic
Is that how Mandos girls ask you for a date?

>>96770858
>Imagine Clone Wars without Obi-Wan or Anakin.
When I watched it as a kid I would complain whenever the episode wasn’t about clones fighting droids. I thought jedi were fucking gay

>>96771293
Sounds like how my edge of the empire campaign went. Started in the immediate aftermath of Endor. Players were mercenaries doing odd jobs and occasionally getting stuck in the middle of battles, usually helping the rebels but sometimes helping the empire.

That lasted til session 27 when the group voted to join the rebellion
>2 for
>1 against
>2 abstain

>>96780135
Streetwise is the street smarts skill, just give them a rank in that instead

>>96783053
I don't know how anybody can that that slop seriously considering what it all leads do.

>>96783053
I don't know how anyone can take that slop seriously considering what it all leads to.

>Ahsoka season 2 is confirmed to have a lower budget than season 1

andor took all the money or exec unhappy with filoni?
call it.

>>96784716
both.

>>96763930
>>96765505
I especially liked how one of the main cast defects to the first order and stays defected for most the show. compare that to when ezra went evil and sith for all of part of one episode post-time skip before going back to normal

>>96782148
>>96782286
I've really soured on Satine over the years.

Peel away the title of Duchess, the gay aesthetic she enforced, the talk of peace, and you'll realize this woman was an absolute dictator guilty of utopian thinking, installed by a foreign superpower, and a hypocrite content to maintain an armed bodyguard while rendering her people as helpless as possible. She also functionally ethnically cleansed her own people, including outlawing the use of Mando'a language.

But because Kenobi considered sticking the Obi-Wiener in her at one point, she's portrayed as a tragic saint. I'm left wondering how many people in her capital were not only welcoming to the Death Watch takeover, but went home that evening and busted out ancestral armor or other items of their heritage which they had managed to hide from the despot.

>the dangers of abandoning a peoples' traditions and culture in the quest for "enlightenment"?
I don't think I believe any of the people who have been allowed to write for Star Wars would tell a story around an idea that based. And if they did, it would be in the most toothless way possible.

>>96784716
they laundered all they had with Acolyte, now the budgets can go back to what the show actually costs to produce

>>96783053
It's the thread for kvetching about the Star Wars franchise and its various media foremost, games are tertiary now talk about the newest streamslop

>>96786986
Satine was westernizing a backwater African-tier shithole and was put down by (((Sith)))

>>96787252
They gave up on streaming, their next failure will be on the big screen.

>>96786986
I 100% agree with you, but I still prefer a Satine-ruled Mandalore than a Bo-Katan ruled Mandalore.
Satine may have wiped out her people's culture, but Bo-Katan was a lying, backstabbing, cunt with no honour. At least Satine died for her cause, while Bo-Katan is a far worse tyrant than her cousin.

>>96787638
>Satine may have wiped out her people's culture, but Bo-Katan was a lying, backstabbing, cunt with no honour. At least Satine died for her cause, while Bo-Katan is a far worse tyrant than her cousin.
something something art reflects reality something

>>96787638
What Mandalore needed was rule by Old Mandalorians that were not Death Watch retards
The problem is, Bo-Katan, for all her posturing, absolutely IS a Death Watch retard, even if she rebrands herself with the Nite Owls.

>>96788052
>not one character in the mandalorian calls her out for being deathwatch

>>96788107
To be honest, Children of the Watch that Mando belongs to is also clearly splintered from Death Watch, and Maul's faction at that.
Literally anyone who could call either group out for being retarded Death Watch fanatics is not present in the show,

>>96788115
>criticises mandos cult for being backwards in tradition
>was part of a cult that was backwards in tradition herself

mando wants to ignore TCW, im sure of it

>>96787638
The worst thing about Satine run Mandalore is that medicine was more expensive due to government corruption. Maul taking over isn’t exclusive to her since he did it to Bo Katan too

Worst thing about Bo Katan Mandalore was being bombed into an endangered species

>>96788400
note that satine herself hated the corruption and got visibly pissed off in the episodes where it happened (e.g the tea episode)

>>96788052
>Mandalore is taken over by TRVE MANDALORIANS
>still gets bombed to cinders by the Chadpire

>>96789356
Trve Mandalorians would probably have not as good relations with Empire as Gar Saxon, but definitely not as bad as Bo-Katan managed to get, given she used Rebels for outright rebellion, and that ensured retaliation.

>>96787638
>Satine may have wiped out her people's culture
That's not even really true as it turns out, since Mando shows us 99% of Mandalorians are still backwards, barbaric thugs just like the diaspora in KOTOR 1 and 2 who waste their talents for warfare being gunmen for hire. Satine was apparently governing 1% of her planet's population and everyone else was just ignoring her all along. I fucking hate Filoni Wars so much

>>96789653
Mandos have been highly independent from their ruler since after the events in KOTOR, even in legends canon.

>>96788115
*sigh* I miss him.

>>96790031
Filoni should have kept the Death Watch look from those comics, works far better to show just how radical they are in their views.

>>96789653
Mando shows us a hundred or so mandalorians that still give a fuck, the rest are probably just living as normal humans elsewhere

>>96790153
Not to mention being a cool design that still fits the overall Mando aesthetic.

>>96789599
The empire and the Mandalorians are pretty much a match made in heaven that only doesn’t work because writers want really Mandos to be the good guys.

>>96790031
I don't. Bunch of "honorabru" boba fett wannabes inclusive cucks who raise other people's sons. Gay and whitewashed. This is literally Din Djarin, and he is gay and boring.

>>96790244
This design is pretty shit.

>>96790556
You're so gay lmao

>>96790505
I actually think Rebels, along with the crimelord Maul arc in TCW, offers a good demonstration of why they'll never work together.

The Mandos have evolved, over time, to become a Klingon ripoff. They are the stereotypical honor-obsessed warrior race that appears in many sci-fi and fantasy worlds.

The Empire, by contrast, is your typical totalitarian state. It tends to fight wars both because violence is the only language it understands and because of an inexhaustible need for more land, more people, more resources, etc., but it doesn't fight wars the way the honorable warrior race types like to fight. Efficiency is the goal for the Empire, it wants to win overwhelmingly and as quickly as possible. Slaughtering the weak and helpless is not only acceptable, it's encouraged, to break the spirit of those who resist. By contrast, the noble warrior race doesn't care about what makes strategic sense, they're in it for the thrill of the battle. They're happiest when the odds are even, or perhaps when they're at a slight disadvantage, because that's when the value real skill and heroism is at its highest. The noble warriors may slaughter the weak and helpless too, but they tend to do it more in a fit of pique or as a punishment for being too easy to conquer, and not as part of a deliberate strategy of terrorism.

In short, the Empire doesn't offer honorable battles, and it would inevitably lead the Mandos to feeling dirty and finding a need to rebel.

>>96784607
As someone who doesn't particularly care for Disney canon, i do have to say EXACTLY the same thing about Legends. Everything set after Dark Empire is pure trash. And i suspect Dark Empire is only as good as it is for me due to rose tinted glasses.

>>96784716
I read that mandalorian needed fans in stormtrooper costumes because they didn’t have enough money.
Is this true and how do you mess up that badly?

>>96783282
the absolute best part of this is that you can clearly see the artist wife's has implants

>>96788037
Honestly, i played a Mandalorian Pacifist Ambassador Noble in one Saga Edition game where the basic idea was:
>Holy shit, i am sick and tired of all of these Mandalorian Cosplayers running around pontificating about "ThE gLoRy DaYs WhEn We WuS wArRiOrS n ShIt!" When let's face facts, our history is 37 different tellings of the same story: "We got so cocky about our Warrior Pride that we threw ourselves at The Republic, got beaten back and got our planet glassed." Well, i'm sorry, LARPers, but we can either make friends or maybe get our planet glassed AGAIN!" I am sick and tired of being treated as a traitor for trying to create a course of action that ends with our planet thoroughly unglassed. And the fact that that makes me unpopular is why i thinking that Mandalore needs me more than ever.
And this was a character before they established that Mandalore got raised AGAIN by the Empire, so oh boy she would have had a field day with that one.

>>96791287
>maybe get our planet glassed AGAIN!
Hearing that probably makes all mando girls ovulate on the spot.

>>96791249
Wanna bet that the body is just traced off some early 2000s porn starlet's free sample pics?

>>96791220
Props take money and (maybe more importantly) skilled artisans to make. Doing that at scale is usually prohibitive in the timeframes of a production on both accounts.
When you add the amount of talentless nepo babies in film ad TV (see the nilfgardian armour in the witcher series for how that turns out), good props can be frustratingly hard to get.

>>96792444
>Props take money
These shows cost more per minute than actual fuckhuge blockbusters a fw years ago.

Yeah, I know inflation yadda yadda, but look at Acolyte. If you remove intro, outro and 'previosly on', the episodes were something like 25 minutes.
And most of the actors performed like they were hired straight out of practical greek drama 101, so they sure as fuck did not pocket those millions.

>>96791287
The only time mandatory got razed is when the yuzhan vong tried to kill the planet and only succeeded in putting a crater in it which revealed a whole bunch of mandalorean iron deposits they'd never been able to get at before, because it was too deep.

>>96788107
The mandoltian retarded TV show is full retard from episode 1 anyway, since 'the mandalorian' was brought up... by death watch anyway.

>>96792444
The most hilarious part is that the vast majority of those fantroopers were probably using Ainsworth gear and Lucasfilm tries to sue him out of existence right before the acquisition, likely in anticipation of it(ie, Old Man Wattleneck wanted to have an even tighter grip on the IP to get the maximum amount of jewbux for selling his life's work to the white slavers). And now the fact he's been out there making armour with original movie production molds for the last 40 years is the only way Disney can afford to make Star Wars anymore.

>>96793331
I thought death watch was its own specific extremist faction, couldn't there have been traditionalists like in the Mandalorian that aren't death watch?

>>96793768
There could be, but the executive mandated small-universe syndrome is a pain in the ass. Everything MUST be connected in the stupidest and most convoluted way possible.

>>96793786
I mean that's just what I assumed in the first place but w/e.

>>96793786
That is just the Disney version of Luke, Han, Leia, Chewie, C3PO and R2 do everything all the time everywhere.

>>96793786
>>96794027
luke han and leia havent been doing shit post rotj, its actually the opposite of the EU where they are so fucking absent it makes no sense

>>96792283
it really could kek

>>96786986
>But because Kenobi considered sticking the Obi-Wiener in her at one point
I'm not sure if there's a blonde woman in the galaxy he hasn't considered doing that to. And in several cases done that to.

An anon in another thread kindly wrote up D6 stats for
the Cargo Ferry from the TIE/X-wing games for me, since my group started out aboard one, I decided to try my hand at making a grid map for it. Let me know what you all think of it bros.

Craft: Kiara Cargo Corporation C-27 Cargo Ferry
Affiliation: General
Era: Rebellion
Type: Midbulk Freighter
Scale: Starfighter
Length: 90 meters
Skill: Space Transports: C-27 Cargo Ferry
Crew: 6
Crew Skill: Varies widely
Passengers: 32
Consumables: 3 Months
Cargo Capacity: TBD, up to 2500 in external cargo pods
Nav Computer: Yes
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3
Hyperdrive Backup: x15
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 2
Atmosphere: 225; 650 kmh
Hull: 3D
Shields: 1D
Sensors:
Passive: 10/1D
Scan: 20/2D
Search: 40/3D
Focus: 3/4D
Weapons:
Three Light Laser cannons (fire separately)
Fire Arc: Front/port/starboard
Skill: Starship gunnery
Fire Control: 1D+1
Space Range: 1-3/12/25
Atmospheric Range: 100-300/1.2/2.5 km
Damage: 4D

1st Deck Legend: 1 square=1 square meter

1: Engines
2: Engerineering Section/Engine Access
3A: Engineering Airlock B: Cargo Airlocks
4: Boarding Ramp
5A, B: Cargolifts
6: Droid Depot
7: Exec. suite, A: "Living Room" B: Refresher C: Bedroom
8A~H: 2 Person Passenger Quarters
9: Passenger Hygiene
10: Backup Deck Access (Ladder)
11A, B: Turbolifts
12: Maintenance Shop
13: Secondary Cargo Bay
14: Docking Ring
15: Crew Rec Area
16: Crew Sleeping Quarters
17A, B: Crew Refresher
18A, B, C, D: Crew Mess and Prep Area

Sorry if the formatting and stuff is crappy
2nd deck inna bit

>>96794659

2nd Deck Legend: 1 square=1 square meter

1: Engines
2: Engerineering Section/Engine Access
3A: Engineering Airlock B: Cargo Airlock
4: Boarding Ramp
5A, B: Cargolifts
6: Droid Depot
7A, B, C, D: Passenger Mess and Prep Area
8: Backup Deck Access (Ladder)
9: Passenger Rec
10: Turbolifts
11A~G: 2 Person Passenger Quarters
12: Passenger Hygiene
13: Medbay
14: Bridge
15: Ship Computer and Life Support
16: Comms Station
17A, B: Droid Corral
18: Captain's Quarters A: Living Room B: Refresher C: Bedroom
19: Meeting Room
20: Storage

>>96794665
Side note: Does anybody have good rules or at least interesting ones for pod and speeder racing with D6

>>96794665
Side note, does anyone have good or interesting rules for pod and speeder racing for D6?
Tfw no Gamorrean gf

>>96794659
>>96794665
Very cool, thank you.

What is lower deck 19A,B?

>>96795016
>>96794665
Oh, I forgot:
Maybe move access to sickbay to main corridor? The area would probably be more of a secondary storage compartment most of the time, anyway.
Also, in the space across from sickbay maybe add a topside airlock/contrainer access airlock?

>>96793768
>Children of the Watch
>The Armorer is wearing a helmet common among officers of Death Watch under Maul's leadership
>Vizslas are part of the group
They are basically Death Watch members who managed to survive after Bo-Katan's idiocy nuked Mandalore.
Reminder that The Armorer mentioned that Bo-Katan is a cautionary tale for Mandalorians, but instead of elaborating on that, they made the ginger idiot into a hero.

>>96795016
I totally forgot to note it down but it's supposed to be a huge fuel storage
>>96795156
All very good ideas

>>96796435
Failing to learn from their own mistakes is a long-standing Mandalorian tradition.

>>96772297
Is that scenery scratch-built? Looks fukkin awesome

>>96799668
>>96799668
>>96799668
>>96799668
>>96799668

NEW THREAD TIME

>>96799671
Oh god dammit

>>96801069
Somehow, Pellaeanon returned.