Thread 96747573

MKIV Edition

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>Legacies:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread Question:
How would you change missions or scoring to make them less of a gold rush?

So what's the verdict on Blackshields? Are they good or do they automatically lose because they can't score?

>TQ

Well, I mostly play Legions Imperialis. I would make it so objectives score more as the rounds advance, so that the late game almost always matters.

>>96747573 (OP)
>>Thread Question:
>>96745133 Is onto something. At the very least, scoring objectives needs to be at the beginning of the turn. You can submarine a game if you go first by flooding, dodging vangaurd, and generally choking your opponent out of VP.

>>96747591
Huge Aura, borderline broken as allies if you abuse Reaper or AAF. But huge hobby potential and look fun.

>>96747600
The new onslaught missions do that and I may see if someone from the group will try one with me next time.

>>96747618

What do you mean by "submarine a game"? That usually applies to tournament formats.

>>96747618
>Huge Aura, borderline broken as allies if you abuse Reaper or AAF. But huge hobby potential and look fun.
please elaborate

>>96747591
They can score, they just don't do it by holding objectives, and they can still hold and contest them perfectly well.

>>96747630
Its that concept, the goal isn't to score a lot of points its just to keep a lead to a win. There isnt a follow up game, but the score end sup low.

>>96747646
For Reaper, allies are hyper slot efficient and unlimited in detachments up to points cut. It is very easy to grab say, a Moritat, and a tank detachment and spam pie plates, two fire raptors, or support and spam phosphex. Then yopu can use logistics for a free one-off slot. Moritat is self sufficient and cal also contribute to finishing off units. You pick hyper killy units to finish off or outright kill certain units. Its bette rvanguard AND they dont give up vanguard since they cant contest or control objectives. A Mortifactor with three double conversion contemptors will farm VP and keep them alive.

>>Really getting tired of most games being decided by turn 2 or literally by if you go first or not.
>>Trying really hard anona to like this version but holy fuck it's a struggle

just spam 10 man line (2) tactical squads anon, all the nogames say its super fun and peak heresy

>>96747677
>the all veteran army in the room salivating

>>96747676

>Its that concept, the goal isn't to score a lot of points its just to keep a lead to a win. There isnt a follow up game, but the score end sup low.

That's a fair way to win a game, keep the score low and the casualties high.

>>96747688
Normally I would agree, but the format now removes most skill expression from that.

Started on my siege termies. Got a sergeant and mook done, gotta flip through my bits at home to see what the gunner gets in melee. I really hope I didn't lose it but I can't find the other power axe arm I kitbashed so someone might need to get a chainfist.

>>96747646
nice model

>>96747733
And a White Scar centurion maybe for the blackshields I dunno yet.

>>96747701

Ah ok. In LI that actually takes effort.

>>96747290
Thank you again in the new thread, Anon.

So like, do y'all just not use outflank/deep strike? I'm surprised I've heard no one talk about using it to deal with these apparently impenetrable tactical squads. Is wiping them out turn 2 really just too late to make a difference?

>>96747833
Anyone who whines about not being able to shift a tac squad on a objective is either bad or no games. In all my games obj camping squads get wiped and end up giving out fat vanguard pay outs or just mauled with status effects into irrelevancy.

Always be status throwing, all the time.

>>96747733
Out of curiosity, is there a point in taking siege termies over regular? They don't look like they get any different rules and they cost the same, they just seem to have fewer sergeant weapon options.

>>96747922
they can all take heavy/special weapons

>>96747833
>Deepstrike
I do. It's fine. For wiping tacs there's so many ways to do that.

should I just arm a saturnine centurion with double disintegrators and let a command squad champ absorb the challenge?

>>96747922
Everyone can take a plasma blaster, heavy flamer, or reaper autocannon, but the mooks only get power weapons or chainfists

>>96747863
>fat vanguard pay outs
How? Shooting vanguard? Or are players just choosing to deliberately give you free VP by not moving off?

>>96747863
I don't think anybody is complaining about not being able to kill them? That's an extremely no games thing to say.

The problem isn't killing them, it's that they score points, they die, they get replaced by a unit that scores more points.

>>96747928
>>96747984
Gotcha, that makes sense...even though I'm not sure why we couldn't get that in Catiphractti.

>>96748023
The pic I included was from one of my last games, 2 sets of tacs did what you implied rushing the objective. I spamned them with status to stop them scoring and then mopped them up with vangaurd. I scored twice because of that and then sat on the objective till the justi pushed me off. Was great and good counter play. Can't score if you have a status.

>>96748057
Old tartaros FW resin upgrade kits. So old they were discontinued in 1e.

>>96748057
Because cataphractii is uglier

>>96748016
NTA, but not enough reaction points: even with 3 from taking a praetor, it's not enough to cover also needing to smokescreen, overwatch, intercept, or legion reactions, and preventing 3 points isn't necessarily worth mission killing 600+ points and exposing your praetor for slay thr warlord, or it means that you've now given up the point entirely as my opponent found when I just drove a krios up turn 1, blocked his land raider from moving, and then evaporated his tactical squad anyway between the lightning cannon and the mortar and now he didn't have anyone left to cover his backfield objective, and his tscticals in the rhino he drove up got cornered by my domitar after they glanced the rhino into uselessness, so he didn't score anything turn 2 and 3 despite getting 10 points turn 1.

>>96748070
We're talking past each other at this point but if you want to continue you can read what I said instead of what you wanted me to say and we can start from there.

>>96748141
you said they score as if its a forgone conclusion, its not, but I appreciate you anon, hugs and kisses.

>>96748093
Sounds like poor prioritization. I would use all 3 to deny 9VP from vangaurd. No need for overwatch if charges dont happen. Smokescreen is a scam.

What you describe is just move blocking and you outplayed them. They could have just as easily had good AT to punch out your tanks.

>>96747591
I want to point out that nothing prohibits a Blackshields Primary Detachment selecting the same Oath twice so you can make Aberrant Clones or 2x Reapers of Lives to get 2d3 VP per kill

>>96748331
I don't think that second one works

>>96747677
Congratulations, you found out how to cheese out wins against literal retards, much like you could do in the last two editions

>>96748081
We'll have to disagree on that. I quite like the blocker look, not to mention they're better suited for long range fighting since they have that 4+ save against lascanons and other stuff that can actually hurt them.

>>96748234
But Anon, he only controlled 2 objectives. In fact, in all the missions there's a max of 4 objectives, and 1-2 will always start controlled by the opponent. What the fuck are you talking about?

>>96748234
>>96748410
Post models.

>>96747683
>They don't look like they get any
>Phosphex rapiers in the corner literally about to bust a nut.

>>96748410
Then what are you talking about? are they spread out on 4 an letting you get vanguard and somehow not scoring 4 objectives?

>>96747833
Wait until you find out about interdiction squads that EVEYR legion can take and you can just basically DS a 20 man tac squad for a reaction point into someones back line.

Deepstike is to limited is the problem, you basically have to commit fat points to a unit that will survive being shot to shit, or have enough shooting to be worth deploying.

>>96748445
Man Phosphex launchers have really grown on me, they are always a pain in the ass to someone.

>>96748445
Anon that is lovely hobby you have there, also the Karaknos is a mean piece of work in 3.0, fkn status machine warcrimes.

Alright help me build a list, I haven't played a game yet, been slowly collecting models since HH1 and the HH3 box set pushed me to finish building things and work on painting

It's iron hands
I've got a PA praetor, saturnine praetor, and iron father
2 guys that could be centurions/delgatus/optaes
1 gorgon armored terminator consul
Legion's champion
Master of signals
Siege breaker
Chaplain with jump pack
Praevian (haven't bought the castellax yet)
2 techmarines
2 apothecaries

For units I've got:
40 tactical marines
10 despoilers
10 medusan immortals
10 assault marines
10 vet assault marines
10 command squad dudes
5 jump pack command squad
10 plasma marines
6 missile marines
~30 guys as vets, with some disintigrators, some combis, various special and heavy weapons, a few volkites
5 cataphractii
9 gorgon terminators (I used parts from the 10th to make the consul)
6 saturnine terminators
3 rapiers (1 is a quad launcher, 2 can be quad or laser destroyer)

For vehicles/dreads I have:
2 rhinos (planning to buy a 3rd)
termite
land raider
spartan
3 predators
sicaran
sicaran venator
cerberus tank destroyer
2 contemptors
leviathan
deredeo
4 castraferrums

I'm planning to sell the saturnine dread and the turret, I don't think they fit too well considering how few dreadnought and support slots you get and all my existing stuff for those slots.

>>96748560
Well what do you want to play with, your collection is big enough that you have playstyle options

>>96747591
>>96747674
Can I make an army of all black blackshields on looted jetbikes?

>>96747733
>no siege cataphractii
DROPPED

>>96748587
I had some ideas like using the master of signals and his detachment to go heavy on the assault marines, or maybe shoving the gorgons in the Spartan. I want to use at least 2 of my dreadnoughts so the iron hands apex seems nice. I dunno what's really practical though

>>96748744
Yes, you would use the killing one plus a flex so each time to kill you get d3 VP.

>>96748747
Tartaros are just better.

>>96748870
for siege terminators? Nah, i would love cata siege terminators, yes i will take a 4++ squad of auto canons.

>>96748945
All Heavy Flamers and Power Mauls would be dope.

Morning everyone.

It's been a rough night, and I just wanted to say that I appreciate most of you guys.

>>96748418
Didn't they remove the Crawling Fire stuff from Phosphex?

>>96748961
closest thing we will get to nullificators this edition, shame niether will never be =[

>>96749074
The real friends were the Alpha Legion falseflags we committed along the way

>>96749074
>guys
you know it's just me pretending to be multiple anons right?

finally finished giving myself lung cancer grinding off all the trim on the first command squad

>>96749558

Why are their shields upside down?

>>96749582
cuz I think holding kite shields this way is cool

>>96748445

Very pretty, anon. How are you finding the Domitars? I've been quite tempted by them this edition, those gravguns look mean and they are very nice models.

>>96749558
wear a mask or respirator

>>96749074
My nigger

>>96747573 (OP)
anybody got this thing yet

>>96749558
Absouletly baller, though NL are the last legion I would expect with this loadout

>>96749750
Mine hasn't shipped yet, because I was dumb enough to order some saturnine terminators alongside it to build a command squad, and those still haven't been restocked locally least played edition by the way
Some of the rules and lore pages got posted in an old thread, but don't think anybody bothered compiling them into a PDF

>>96747591
They can score quite efficiently. If you take Flesh is Weak you can get both FiW scoring + Vanguard. Also, i was thinking about Pride of the Legion + Flesh is Weak. If you take Endyrr Harr as high command choice you can field status immune veteran breachers that also get infiltrate (12). You could even field them with praevians for reaction but idk if that would be point efficient. Oh, and you can use cybertheurgy for your astartes with mechanicum allied det, only problem with that is that you cannot attach magos to a unit with infiltration i think. However a blob of status immune terminators, with a rad furnace & cortex controller magos would be quite strong (he could also heal 2 models with machinator arrey). You can give your termies WS5 with cybertheurgy, and you could possibly also take a librarian for +2S, +2T from biomancer rage. And that blob of 10 termies would still have Vanguard 3 and score 2VP from objectives.

>>96749916
Flesh is weak seems well.. weak. It only really works on swarm units meaning tacticals and despoilers, and those already had Line 2 to begin with. You're not getting much of a bonus on elite units since their model count is low

>>96750137
You retain vanguard and have the ability to score based on unit size. Also your units are immune to statuses, in 2.0 i would call it rather weak, but in 3.0 status immunity is huge

>>96750165
you score less than normal on units with 4 or less models. And if you're taking Pride of the Legion you're probabling taking a bunch of 5 man terrier squads and the like. Even with 10 man squads, losing just one dude means you score the same as units without FiW, unelss I'm misreading something And Vanguard cucks your scoring anyways

>>96749840

These guys and the Phraetus are both really fun units but man, 40pts is a big MSU tax for a squad that gets literally no statistical benefits on its sarge whatsoever. They're still reasonably efficient compared to min squads of regular terminators, but 80ppm for the first two guys is steep.

reapers of lives is great for tank armies because it means you can ACTUALLY score

>>96750212

It's an odd scoring rule, but I think the meat of it is total status immunity and Mech friends throwing cybertheurgy on you more than anything else. It's not too hard to pile 15-man squads of whatever into Rhinos instead of 10-mans, since it gives you extra transport cap, but you do eat the tax. My main complaint is that it's hard to do interesting things with Linked Cogitators because basically every non-Line squad has some combination of Vanguard, Support Unit and a low model cap. I suppose there's nothing wrong with Line 1 Seekers, even if they do lose it easily.

>>96750327
>MSU tax
Dunno why you would ever want to field multiple saturnine command squads lmao. A single squad is already a large enough brick to just stand somewhere and refuse to die. Deep strike them in, melt some unfortunate MEQ unit with the AP 3 flamers, then just smash anything that wanders too close in melee.

>take blade of the just
>take dreadnoughts and throw them imto melee
>if you're bullying anything less than a squad with thunder hammers, you're always going to win the combat and always be outnumbered to score your vp

why shouldnt I just do this?

>>96750509
Dreads don't have Line or Vanguard, so they don't get points for winning in melee.

>>96750551
of a unit doesnt have line or vanguard they gain doomed heroics 3, read the rule

>>96750551
Read the whole paragraph anon

>>96750509
I don't see why not, sounds like a cool army of the vestiges of the past trying to preserve the future...as long as you actually paint and convert it as cool army. If you just to run your last edition fury of the ancients army as blackshields your models will get smashed with a hammer while you're raped out back you polish WAACfag

>>96750561
Why is it always the eastern europeons lmao

Is there any Blackshields color scheme that isn't just a different colored version of dirty grimdark metal?

>>96750790
Did you even bother looking?

Simpler times, eh?

>>96750382

It's not so much that I want lots of them, it's that a unit of two is nicely sized and a large squad is sometimes more expensive than I want, considering 2-3 particle shredders can already do a number on most MEQ squads and you don't always want a giant unit of them that's both hard to fit in a transport and hard to get into contact with enough stuff if you deep strike and footslog.

Phraetus especially are incentivised to take a big squad, if you pay for the transponder that's 105pts on fixed costs regardless of unit size. I suppose you have to do something to encourage taking lots of those when they eat so much transport space and can't have most characters join them anyway.

>>96750839
Good lord, that is the worst conversion of dreadnought using the dreadknight sword I've seen in a while.
Thanks for reminding me of how much I hate the baby carrier.

>>96750966
What's wrong with it, besides your attitude?

>>96751049
Don't you see it? It is literally the DK sword, hand on sword grip and all, zero modifications, glued into the contemptor's hand.
They even left the stylised Inquisitorial i opening in the blade for crying out loud.

>Saturnine boxes spotted at -27% and -31% discounts on second hand american market
line continues to go down. no need for apologies. and fear not, coping and seething will be received as concessions

>>96751094
Ok nigga and?

>>96751105
I bought mine for $215, and building the mk 2 marines and reading the rules has encouraged me to play some games.

How many games have you played, anon? Post models.

>>96751135
>admitted newfag demands models without posting his own
was thinking the seething would be instant

>>96751105
>go look myself
>not only have prices not fallen they've actually risen, used to be able to 6 saturnine for 80 now they're 90-100

>>96751159
Sure, here's my current crop of tac marines I'm working on. I started collecting back when they released the old Mk 3 marines and have been slowly building up since then.

>>96751168
But anon, nobody would lie on the internet

>>96751168
>the good goy is checking sponsored ads

>>96751175
>doesn't even know that it's supposed to be timestamped
anon, you posting models doesn't disprove people not buying the boxes

>>96751231
Post models.

>>96751105
>doesn't post the discounted box
Yeah buddy I'm sure it is, now let's get you those meds

>>96751234
>do what i say because i liked the 3.0 rules slop

>>96751235
>he doesn't know how to search by price

>>96751274
So you have no models then and are jumping on the bandwagon of hating shit you don't own, got it.

>>96751278
>admits he's a newfag
>admits he found a at -31%
>admits he's consuming the slop rules
>doesn't understand models posting
>thinks others will jump on his command

>>96751311
>>96751274
>>96751231
>>96751159
>>96751105
Go back to /v/, TORtanictard

>>96751311
Imagine being this butthurt about not owning models

>>96751324
imagine being so retarded that you don't realize you defeated your own argument by admitting you bought it at a steep discounted price.

>>96751318
oh anon, there will be a 4.0 in two and a half years , and a 5.0 three years after that. we're just having some fun for the new rules cycle we're on.

>>96751401
What argument?

>>96751420
>yeah i got mine as cheap as you've seen. because i played slop rules, post your models
I'm glad to see that you recognize your posts have been meaningless

>>96751498
Every time I come into this thread it's nogames nomodels complaining about something they've never played. I've at least been playing some TTS while I paint stuff because I'm not playing with unpainted minis. Have you played a single game of 3.0?

>>96751514
no one's been playing heresy in my area since may
very suspicious timing, i know

>>96749765
I didn't think I needed another squad of lightning claw/chainglaive freaks after the first 40

>>96750212
Good thing you can take 12 cataphractii

>>96751627
Desu I felt the same way about assault veterans: didn't want more thunder hammers because I already had a praetorian command squad and indomitus terminator squad specced with thunder hammers, didn't want twin lightning claws or power weapons because I already had gal vorbak, so I just decided to make ashen circle instead

What loadout should I go with for some morlocks? Was thinking 5 and an iron father in my land raider. Artificer axe + graviton guns? Maybe a fist or two in there as well. The axe seems nice.

>>96751844

The Axe should be considered as an alternative to a Power Maul, which is to say its a reasonable weapon on a cheap Gorgon but completely unsuitable for an expensive Morlock.
The sad reality is that moreso than regular Terminators, Morlocks want to be Thunder Hammers. Eternal Warrior and WS5 means they hard-counter other Termies. A couple of Grav guns are funny but not as essential as the hammers.

>>96751960
The axe is shred 5+, so 5s to wound are AP2 D2. They're not as strong as a thunder hammer but also are only I-1, seems like a decent tradeoff. Morlocks do not get thunder hammers. They get power weapons, artificer axes, chainfist, power fist, and lightning claw.

>>96751978
> Morlocks do not get thunder hammers

Aha ha, fuck me then. That's an expensive modelling mistake.
I'd still suggest that D2 is king so Power Fists. T5/W2/2+/4++ EW means initiative modifiers are less relevant and the Arty Axe just doesn't have the hitting Power for the cost.

>>96752028
Yeah I guess that's true, if they're face tanking stuff with 4++ and EW then initiative isn't as big a deal, and saving 10 points on a 300 point unit isn't a big deal either

Endyrr Harr more like Endyrr Hurrrrr am i rite

>>96752126
You can laugh all you want, but he's the angry retard with the terrawatt fist.

>>96752126
This is neither the time nor place for frivolity.

still no FAQ or high effort errata? boys are we getting shit support just like 2.0?? why would james do this again....

>>96752273
The game is perfect

>>96751105
This can't be true. I was assured, repeatedly, that any suggestions that the floppalicious launch of 3.0 in the UK was actually indicative of anything was nonsense, that it was just one...okay two...okay several (major)online retailers dumping stock at unheard of discounts during preorders, and even if it was happening it was all because one store slightly over-ordered and the whole online Warhammer retail space just committed seppuku at once as a joke, haha.

>sanefagging
Lmao

>>96752371
Nah I'm insanefagging

>>96752371
>Minor spelling mistake

>>96752028
>>96752078

I think you want some axes in the squad regardless if you're building for elite melee arm-wrestling, because a WS5 TH enemy squad is going to kill one or two of your guys on average before your fists get to swing, so they may as well have axes so their deaths are less expensive and they get to make their attacks before they fall over.

Five Morlocks with axes will beat an equivalent all-hammer cataphractii command squad by a narrow margin, but fists would beat them by a larger one. I might be tempted to go for three fists, two axes and the grav-shredder on the sarge to reliably Shock vehicles and go gambling against enemy melee units, since it's a very handy Assault gun and if you Pin the enemy you get to fist them before they attack regardless.

>>96752467
Yeah the blaster is fine, though with implacable advance assault doesn't mean anything. With the blast rules though it seems like a normal grav gun is almost always going to hit anyway

>>96752488

It is, but you want the Shredder because it has two shots, which means you get two bites at the Shock apple against any vehicle. Since Storm Bolters aren't much to write home about against most targets you aren't going to utterly obliterate in melee, you may as well ruin their Land Raider's damage output and lock it in place instead.

>>96752533
>Storm Bolters aren't much to write home about against most targets
They are a stupid amount of shots tho
I'm not really sure grav guns would do better against MEQs at least

>>96752304
didn't you hear, chud? christmans is canceled in america, there is not dip, everything will be more expensive forever for burgers, regardless of market demand

What situation/cause/person would push for the creation of a "Heresy" pattern of terminator armor?
Picrel inspired; sturdy, simple, rather clean/plain, similar vain as Heresy armour (hesitated in calling it too but it'd be confusing to have power armor and terminator sharing the same name).

I'm looking for a name for such a pattern, any suggestion appreciated!

>>96752624
>What situation/cause/person would push for the creation of a "Heresy" pattern of terminator armor?
James has run out of ideas and needs to print more money.

>>96752624
There is none, and that shit looks ass anyway. If you want a lower resource required terminator armor designed during the heresy it's called indomitus retard

What's the asethetic difference between a preator and a centurion?

>>96752624
This is the opposite of "heresy" armor, it looks like more ornate (artificer?) Tartaros. Heresy gear is supposed to be shitty cobbled together with what they have, not blinged out filigree pimp suits.
Disregarding your pic though, I feel like Terminator armor is probably a lot less modular than regular Power armor. Aside from maybe helmet swaps (which might be hard since the gorgets arr have different shapes) I don't think there's cross compatibility between the marks. So "heresy" termie sutis would just be normal suits but with more bonding studs and shoddy patchwork repairs

>>96752604

They're a slight improvement, but nobody's bringing grav for the damage output and if you charge a MEQ squad it is almost invariably going to be reduced to chunky salsa regardless of whether you kill one model with storm bolters before charging. The grav-shredder is either for pinning peer melee units so you can win the fight easily or pinning enemy vehicles so they lose a turn while you go and melee other things - the only time you care about the storm bolters is if you need to clear a small number of light infantry without meleeing them, which is a very rare situation for terminators in an assault transport to be in.

Grav-guns are nearly as good, but the shredder is barely more expensive and much better against vehicles because it has a 55% chance to shock(pin) rather than 33%, so you may as well take it instead, especially when your sarge has special dispensation to pick one up.

>>96752655
Can't wait for them to rewrite Gorgon to be the original and Indomitus is just a poor imitation of Manus' creation.

>>96752672
Isn't that already canon?

>>96752672

"Gorgon armour that doesn't require you to be borged to high heaven to wear it and is much cheaper to build than Tartaros/Cataphractii" seems like a valid refinement of the design to me.

Also damn, Gorgons are 35ppm, come with better power axes, better-than-cataphractii saves and 3A each, maybe these guys aren't so bad even at WS4.

>>96752394
That isn't a spelling error, he is accusing anon of making coherent and thought out posts that contribute to the topic and thread in general.

>>96752684
Nope. Gorgon is a modification of the Indomitus.

Tell me about Iron Hands blackshields? I'm aiming for building an army using Leviathan Termies that can be used as IH or blackshields(Flesh is Weak, loot the dead). But I absolutely HATE black armor.
Are there any cool characters? Bands? Not interested in reading BL slop, but I'll browse recaps of books, if there are any good ones.
Also what was that thing with IH and Slaanesh?

>>96752702
Appreciate the sentiment but I am the OP, it was indeed a phoneposting error

>>96752670
With the current blast rules, 2 BS4 shots is still less reliable than 1 3 inch blast imo

>>96752644
In the universe, but true.
>>96752655
>there is none + it sucks + here is something I like + retard
Woah
>>96752661
Think without the ornaments

>>96752806

Shredder has approx. an 80% chance to force a pin check on T4 infantry, 70% chance on T5 and a 55% chance to instantly pin a vehicle, and the last one is the really big factor there. Gravgun is slightly more reliable against infantry but only 60% as good against vehicles, and because infantry get Cool checks and vehicles don't I much prefer the anti-vehicle status chance.
Half the LA tanks in the game will lie down and cry all game if you status them and they don't have a pocket Battlesmith, especially the Kratos.

Hell, the Vultarax earns its 100pt price tag almost entirely because it is near-guaranteed to Suppress any vehicle it fires at and a Suppressed Venator or Kratos is just a brick.

>>96752861
what do you think are good sources of vehicle suppress for the LA?

Shitty cobbled together heresy terminator amror would probably end up looking like indomitus without an invlun or maybe with slow and purposeful, just take indomitus and give it bonding studs

>>96752748
Okay sanefag.

>>96752875

Sicaran Arcus chunks termies with the 5 shot S8 AP2 D2 mode and has a decent shot at statusing vehicles with 3 Shock(Supp), Sicaran Venator has Shock (Supp) on its giant anti-tank laser, lots of picks here. Personally I'd take one of each and call it good, especially if you have grav-guns seasoned around the place.

LA is much better at anti-AV14 than most other armies, so you don't need to care as much about Shock access if you actually do bring the S10 Armourbane D(Lots) guns. The Mech especially have few counters to a Kratos with a pocket medic beyond throwing a Brass Scorpion in its direction. Admittedly, the Brass Scorpion works on most things, but it's a little drastic.

>>96752912
I asked for name suggestions, I don't care what people think of it.
You can keep giving your opinion, but you know exactly what I'll do with it.

>>96752939
Okay how about "Fag armor for retards"

>>96752624
What's Imohtep doing back there?

>>96752944
I'd have gotten a pet if I wanted attention so much.

>>96752624
>>96752655
I would buy picrel as a squad.

>>96753039
Baddest motherfucker to ever wear heresy armor and he wasn't even in the heresy. The scale on his belt skulls is a bit off though, unless they're like, ogryn or thunder warrior skulls. Actually, how are the jaws still attached?

>>96753039
He is very lovely

>>96753057
Those aren't orcs? Look at that underbite

>>96753057
>Actually, how are the jaws still attached?
Screws? Glue? They've attached the chain, somehow, so clearly these aren't just heads picked up and tied to his belt with their hair or some such and then left to rot, but items that have had some work done to them.

>>96752624
>>96753039
Tortuga released a bunch of Terminator armour variants, based off of the various power armour marks. Pic related.

>>96753057
He's not wearing heresy armor, he's just wearing a lumpy indomitus suit.

>>96753182
>based off of the various power armour marks
All the designs are more or less lifted from old GW terminator designs and thinly associated with certain suits of power armour.

Is there ever a point to going dual-gun or dual-melee on Dreadnoughts? Seems like one of each is the perfectly balanced option.

>>96753283
Which is very neat, and shows a through line that GW itself lacks.

>>96753307
Just wish they weren't from the Big'n'Tall store. Can't use any of them. Some of the bits, for sure, but all my minis are old and tiny in comparison.

>>96753338
Size doesn't matter in this game.
In real life, as long as you have seven inches you're fine.

>>96753292
Dual chainfist will one shot AV14s, dual power Fist can fight small Terminator squads and auto win off 1 kill because 6 starting wounds outnumbers 5 Terminators, double ranged can specialize in whichever job they want to (plasma mostly)

>>96752624
amazing

>>96753057
I didn't read any of the BL books but he he's strongly implied to be ancient. Maybe scouring or heresy era. On release he was the only model with the Weapon Master rule other than Horus. It's implied he was either Terran XIXth or second gen. Going back and forth from the void they're in stasis so it's not impossible he's ultra old because his awake time is so minimal relatively.

>>96753182
I hate the pose for his tyberos. The silent type shouldn't be cheering a rally cry. It should be his menacing art where he's approaching that one armed mantis warrior. I'd kill for a mini in that pose.

>>96753387
maybe I should fix up my contemptor then...

not sure how to play it now though if its melee, I don't think running it up the board is gonna work as well this edition

>96750185
Wierd. That's not in the English faq.

>>96753783
You know you can just... rotate the arm so that it faces downward, right?

>>96754062
That would be because >>96750185 is a lying polish cunt mad his all bike army can't score

>>96753374
I wish we still used manly measurements here in europe, my dick's barely 23cm

>>96751802
>I already had gal vorbak
50 points for a 3+ 5+++?
Just 3 attacks that are just power swords?

I just don't get how these are even looked at much less even taken? Pretty much all options with a Weapon Skill of 5 are better and cheaper then them.

>>96752624
is this inflation porn

>What situation/cause/person would push for the creation of a "Heresy" pattern of terminator armor?

it's called Indomitus

>>96754250
And here I thought it was called Saturnine.

>>96754246
they don't fall back, get pinned or get stunned out of cupboards, they cause Fear, they do double Damage to non-Vehicles when they Breach, they're S5/T5 and only need to inflict 1 W on the other unit to permanently reduce its Strength

so first-round MEQ go from 1/27 chance of an unsaved W on GV to 1/54 on the second round

for 250 points they're surprisingly resilient, particularly with that flat ignore 1/3 of all damage, so that 250 point initial investment can hold up a much more expensive unit

>>96754301
that HH2 timeline has been retconned in HH3.
The "imperial patten" no longer exists, they're just techmarine-like suits

>>96754250
>is this inflation porn
Fukken kek

>>96754360
>that HH2 timeline has been retconned in HH3.
Saturnine is still in Mid Age of Darkness. Also, I love how they put MkV before MkVI on the timeline, but give its issue as Age of Darkness while MkVI is late Great Crusade.

>>96754423
NTA,but isn't that exactly the lore? Mk5 started as some alpha legion stealth suit during the crusade but it only came into its true purpose during the heresy as the cheap and shitty answer to mk4 while mk6 was designed in late crusade and just hitting deployment when heresy hit

>>96754423
Saturnine is from the unification of the solar system. The initial suits were rare and impossible to repair without the help of Phoebe. Near the end of the great crusade Vulkan developed a modified version that could be built outside of Phoebe and repaired by the marine chapters.

>>96754111
Doesn't fix his head, torso, and legs

Saturnine is from like 1985 let's be real

>>96754526
Allow me to tap my 3.0 rulebook a little harder.

>>96754580
I don't give a shit what that says, forges of saturn says otherwise

>>96754585
Why should anyone give a shit what forges of saturn says when they're just gonna retcon it some more down the line?

>>96754580
But it's in use at the dropstie massacre. Which is at the start of the heresy.

>>96754601
Weird, init?

>>96754580
>>96754601
Isn't the Age of Darkness also the Great Crusade? I thought it was the generic name for the 30k setting

>>96754601
Don't worry about it

my issue with blackshields is that quite simply, I cant think of a scheme that isnt just black, or cream like geresene host

I wanna do /yourdudes/ but sometimes picking an existing faction is the way to go

>>96754967
Pain them like a second founding chapter
All the official blackshield colors are boring af
It'd make sense if all the legions were still using their original colors but they look out of place compared to them

>>96754967
go to your paint collection and pick a color that isn't black then pick a second color and use that as a paint scheme

>>96754967
People really have become creatively bankrupt these days huh.

>>96754601
it's almost as if 3.0 is slop

>>96754967
you can pain them as mixed legion colors since they their armor could be scavenged

>>96747591
I like how the new edition has changed what the most attractive choices are e.g. oaths that change how you score are now more attractive than altering the FOC and adding in new wargear is mostly ignored now that most of the legion wargear is uninteresting.
Losing doesn't seem guaranteed but losing still seems pretty likely..

>>96754967
a riotous mix of colors as each marine uses scaveneged legion gear and/or repaints their armor to whatever they like.

>>96755108
I love that techmarine. What is the Holy Wrench whispering in his ear?

>reading Dracula for spooky month
>come across "word-bearer" which is a name for a bench outside a house that peasants sit on and gossip on
Huh, neat

>>96755233
did you know that dark angels are gay?

>>96755245
Very much so

>>96755233

I still wish Stoker hadn't given Van-Helsing that faux-european pidgin english way of speaking. Also, the entire thing is meant to be a series of epistles, so having various londoners speak phoenetically just makes Dr Seward come across as a douche who's taking the piss out the commoners.

The start of the book with Dracula inviting Harker to his castle and everything that happens therein is the fucking gold standard of this genre though.

>>96755245

Well, it would explain why they got fucked in the ass so hard this edition.

trying to figure out what to put on the shields
thoughts on the handprints as a concept?
I need to figure out how to make them more visible

>>96755269
He looks eager. I think you should paint them plainly, like battered steel, but add bloodstains near the top (or rather the bottom in this case, the bit you would use to punch people with)

>>96755281
good call
I might experiment more with nmm on the shield since painting metallics comes out extremely dull especially if there aren't molded details to create depth

>>96755337
The shield SHOULD look dull, these are Night Lords in the middle of the heresy, they're not cleaning their gear and half their shit are chinese mechanicum knockoffs. Their shields were probably made by hammering rhino plates into shape

>>96755348
I think there's a difference between looking dull and intentionally looking muted
this is a pitfall IW players fall into when they basecoat their shit in one metallic color and it just looks like a blob of shit

>battlefoam now sells GW at 25% off if you're a VIP
Fucking weird but okay

Rhino or Land Raider Explorator as a transport for status tossing squad of tactical veterans?

>>96755663
Rhino. Land raider is too expensive for a unit that's gonna be shooting.

>>96755663
The answer is always termite

>>96754967
>>96750828
>Did you even bother looking?

Is it just me, or are saturnine centurions one of the most underwhelming units this edition? They don't really add anything to a unit they join, it's just 1 saturnine with slightly better stats for 150 points, and no melee weapon options. For only 50 points more you can get a squad of 3 saturnine terminators, which seems like a better option in every regard.

>>96755067
Correct!

>>96753338
Start a new army and project in big scale

>>96754553
You can turn the head and torso, the kit has seperate head, torso and legs like the old GW kits it's not monopose.

>>96756821
You need command slots to unlock detachments so it's probably just a way to give some use to all the extra saturnine termies people have

>>96754360
Imperial pattern is LE2, the first marine miniature ever released. LE stands for Limited edition. LE1 was.an Ork if I recall correctly. The miniature was re-released in 2016.This one

>>96756821
teleport your fatties in for 50 points less without using up a High Command slot; teleport multiple fattie squads in

>>96756969
"Imperial" in this case refers to RTB01; the "cf" means "compare with" LE2 which is "undesignated" (and is the same design seen on the Bob Naismith C100 Imperial Space Marines - the metal guys with the pirate boots, who were designated "commandos" in the French catalogue, which may have inspired Phobos marines)

>>96757264

Have we ever seen a model with that Arm Cannon aside from in this image?

>>96756969
While based in LE2 and the C100 beakies, "Imperial pattern" was added in just before HH2 as an early GC suit. Probably as a nod to Leetu, the proto marine from the Siege of Terra books.
I guess GW probably planned to do a new kit, but in the end they decided to split it into separate nuMkVI, disintegrator sprue, and the new Rapier crew.
>>96757264
Nope. "Imperial" is LE2/C100, and RTB01 is either the old FW resin beakies or the new plastic ones depending on if you see nuBeakies as retconning them.
>>96757317
It's just a wrist mounted volkite serpenta

>>96757338
it literally says "Imperial Space Marines" on the box art anon, "cf LE2 (Undesignated)" clearly means "compare to LE2, an undesignated armour mark" because that's what CF means

it's possible the reference is to Naismith's take on the same design, which were sold as "Imperial Space Marines" circa 1987, but that's the same name RTB01 was sold under, so the reference also has to refer to them

it's not meant to make sense, it's an in-joke

>>96757357
Both LE2 an C100 were already called imperial marines. The RTB01 beakies were clearly a different, streamlined design.
That's why "RTB01" is under the MkVI entries and "Imperial" was explicitly a separate pattern.

>>96757317
yeah, one of Naismith's C100s I think, "Marine with flamer" on this page

>>96757377
>marine with flamer
Good to know, finally. Makes one wonder why they didn't give 30k Russ a hand flamer instead of a bolt weapon. As for the rest, more than disintegrators, we should've gotten those space arquebuses. Maybe as lightning guns, since LE10 was used as the design for Thallax and their lightning gun.

>>96757228
He can't teleport without a sat praetor, he's got the wrong gear

>>96756821
Centurions are useful just for Officer of the Line 2
But it's also an HQ with proper heavy weapons so that's neat.
Not really the most amazing thing in the world but it's nice to have the option

>>96757508
The original design and miniature served as stand in for several commanders.

Leman Russ was retconned, and by 1989 he had a nice Jes Goodwin illustration and was the first primarch to get a miniature. The FW resin mini 25 years later was a just a remake.

>>96757817
Sorry, 1991 and the RT Compilation supplement

>Land speeder proteus
>Can have two multi-meltas
>Can also have two hunter-killer missiles
>100 pts
>Does up to 18 dmg to a vehicle
This sounds too funny not to try.

>>96758097
>Dies to a mean look
>Can't even score

This next

https://youtu.be/9V52Gb_IEv8

Here

>>96758126
Aw that's nice.
faggot.

>>96758097
the proteus has always been good, people just ignore it because they dont like the model and they see the javelin can have 2 lascannons

>>96758222
The price of the resin model is another huge deterrent, most likely.

>>96758270
10 quid from my recaster (^:

>>96755508
> 2025
> Still using fucking foam instead of magnets and trays
Big yikes

Man I can't help but feel pissed about needing to make another set of transports for my word bearers, since I need 6 Rhinos, a Spartans, and 3 Land Raider to have everyone I might want to rush up covered...which is what I already have for my blackshields, but now I need to do it again but red this time.

>>96758582
Paint black and magnetize the doors with different colors. Fits most things

Anyine have a pdf of the liber strategia? A group of us are looking to try out legions with our old epic models

>>96758568
>2025
>Models are finally all being released in plastic
>No more heavy as shit metal models
>People cover their containers and models' bases in magnets and sheet metal
>Shit is even heavier than it used to be
Is there any hobby with more retarded participants than warhammer?

>>96758651
>his sole issue was the weight of the metal model
are you weak and retarded?

>>96758651
>>96758774
Get a room

>>96756969
Same mark as the plastic rapier crew, head aside

>>96758824
why would i waste my seed on such a weak creature?

>>96758651
Check the MTG thread

>>96758651
I don't care who the government sends I'm not drilling 10 holes in my treads for magnets. Based models get the magnet trays, vehicles get the foam.

>>96758651
Metal trays are appealing to midwits because of their fascination with magnets

>>96758097
Too bad the proteus looks like shit.
You’re automatically a WAACfag if you use it.

>>96757264
rtb01 is reference directly in the timeline as a subclass of mk 6

>>96758582
>not footslogging in style
Have faith, Word Bearer

You guys use foam?

>>96759232
Holy based

>>96759232
If my painting was that shit I would use a cardboard box too lol

>>96759260
I think they're fine, they're just plastic army men. Post your models.

>>96759301
Man I didn't realize how dusty some of this shit is until seeing them in a photo, the cataphractii I painted when the plastic models first released in one of those box sets and it hasn't seen a lot of action since then

>>96759301
pretty decent for clay washing. how do you affix the clay without firing? just dry out naturally, or cured with dust to draw out the moisture?

>>96759374
you sound insane

>>96759408
guess this isn't the right place to ask for advice then. just trying to improve. don't suppose you have any tips for acetone weathering?

>>96759436
I'm just fucking with you but I genuinely don't know what you mean by clay washing or acetone weathering. What model are you trying this on?

>>96759479
He is making jokes about incompetent modeling.

>>96759489
right. i guess that makes sense when he's asking about acetone weathering. its like asking what fluid brand do you use for headlights.

>>96759499
Its more like asking which buckshot is best for home dentistry.

Im going to do it, im going to put a master of descent in a unit of thallax, what legion will he be?

>>96759517
Iron Hands/Shattered legions/BA

>>96759301
this nigga dusty af

>>96758623

It doesn't exist, as far as I know, but the online army builder (legionbuilder.app) has all that information in it, as well as reference pages.

>>96747573 (OP)

Actually, I think we should put legionbuilder.app in the OP, it's good info for anyone who's even thinking about LI/Epic.

>>96759938
That sounds like an excellent reason to never put it in the OP

Further more, ligma must be destroyed.

>>96759990
>>96759998

Lol are you just mad that people are playing games and having fun?

>>96760028
hhg is always inventing new ways to be angry

this kit fucks

>>96760085
Please, please scan and post Forges of Saturn !

>>96758222
Yeah. That and the fact that it isn’t 10 cataphractii with thammers. It was strong in 2.0 and it’s strong in 3.0

>>96760028
I can hate anything I want

>>96760028
Nta but right up until it came out people were playing a much better edition of epic and 3rd party stuff, even for 6mm HH, was dime a dozen at much better prices and 30K homebrews existed for both epic armageddon and epic 40k, at least 4 for EA. Then LIgma came out and GW just put out what might be the worse edition of epic along with the worse infantry sculpts but because it has GW's name on it most 6mm sellers had their sales tank along with the numbers of people playing the other editions. You have people falling over themselves to make incredibly shitty homebrews for nids, orks, eldar, etc... completely ignoring the editions which already have them and are free. Not to mention it made 40k waacfags jump into epic with their incredibly retarded, fluff repellant choices like an army made out of a single warmaster and a hundred and something missile HSS squads. GW and FW unironically deserve anything bad in the world for LI and post book 8 HH.

>>96760232
I like the LI tanks, and I get to use my shitloads of AT knights

>>96759517
Blackshields with flesh is weak

>>96760259
The LI tanks are good. I don't have any complaints about those other than wanting certain things that are a bit too niche so I get why those haven't been made yet and the pricing which while compared to 3rd party stuff is higher it is pretty low for GW. They managed to make the arvus box cost less than getting recasts of the aeronautica imperialis ones which is great.

>>96760085
>>96760109
Seconding, for great justice. Also cool tonk, what legion?

>>96760763
Gee Anon I think it might be blood angels, just a thought

Is 420 points too much for a jump pack Praetorian squad? 3 pairs of LCs, 4 Mauls, 2 PFs and a Thunder Hammer on the Champion?

>>96760890
They don't even have vanguard, why are you taking a full 10 of them? Why waste your points on the maul guys? Either equip them to try and fight off other vanguard units, or use vet assault marines to kill line units and score vanguard points.

>>96760890

Yes. God yes. I wouldn't pay that much for Bike Praetorians and they're actually good.

>>96760927
>>96761058
Cool, thanks. I want to use the new assault marines, almost all of the feedback I've read on Veteran Assault is "why not just use Retinue instead?" and I've got retinue slots open. I'll have a look at it again.

>>96761112
The way I use a praetorian retinue is using 5 of them and attaching my master of descent or another jump character, because then the praetor champion can eat a challenge if needed while the actual character kills the enemy melee unit. Other than that, they're just vet assault marines that cost a bit more and get a 2+ save but lose vanguard, and you win games by scoring.

>>96761160
They enemy cannot win if you kill all their scoring units

>>96761185
And they have the same killing power as vet assaults, just a better save.

>A Detachment that has this Oath of Moment may only include Command Choices. All Troops Slots in a Primary or Allied Detachment with this Oath of Moment, or any Auxiliary Detachment attached to such a Detachment,
are replaced with Command Slots. However, the only Units that may be chosen to fill those Command Slots are Centurions or Centurions in Terminator Armour.
So, this means that i can't take auxiliary detachments without troop slots? also, only the converted troops slots must only take centurions or even the original command slots also are centurions only. what about jump packs and mounted ones?

>>96761324
You can the other Aux detachments but the have to remain empty because you can only pick Command choices with that oath.
Your Troops-Command slots are centurions, your Command-Command slots are any command units.

>A Detachment that has this Oath of Moment may only include Command Choices. All Troops Slots in a Primary or Allied Detachment with this Oath of Moment, or any Auxiliary Detachment attached to such a Detachment, are replaced with Command Slots. However, the only Units that may be chosen to fill those Command Slots are Centurions or Centurions in Terminator Armour.
So, this means that i can't take auxiliary detachments without troop slots? also, only the converted troops slots must only take centurions or even the original command slots also are centurions only. what about jump packs and mounted ones?

>>96761344
oh see, so if a take a Delegatus, and pick an officer cadre those slots are command-command

>>96761345
The original command slots can be anything, but the converted slots can only be centurions or Terminator centurions, which does include jet pack centurions but excludes saturnine and biker centurions

>>96761345

There's no point in taking auxes that don't have either Troop slots or Command slots, no. The basic 2 troop aux is enough for almost all purposes.

All the command slots that used to be Troop slots have to only take Centurions, but the original command slots can take any Command model, so you can have a few vigilators/masters of signal/moritats/whatever to go with all the centurions if you want. Personally I like a single MOS to give Line/Vanguard to one of your maniac centurions as applicable, a 95-100pt jump centurion is a surprisingly efficient unit to cap a point with and unless you have a second Oath that bans normal scoring they can still do it fine.

The only applicable datasheets are the base Centurion, including jump pack Cents because the jump pack upgrade is on the base Centurion unit, and Termie Cents. No mounted centurions allowed.

All command models in the det get the +1 to two stats, but only Centurions and Termie Centurions get the buff to combat res and VPs on dying in melee.

>>96760865
That time of the month huh?

>>96759232
The Foam is Weak anon

>>96760763
>>96760109
you guys know that's not english right

>>96761112
>>96761160

I mean, if you want them to score there's a couple of options for that if you want to go down the Blackshields route.

>>96759301
Well, it isn't a grey tide...

You guys have any input on how dangerous flyers are? I haven't fought anyone using a flyer yet, I have a sicaran and deredeo that both have autocannons available for skyfire, but how hosed am I if I run into flyers and don't bring one of those?

>>96761411
>any Command model
Keep in mind that some of those don't have the Command Sub Type if you want them to be Paragons for more stats, like Moritats.

>>96762024
Flyers are so feast or famine. They can dodge interceptor because obscuring still blocks them and it's checked at board edge placement before they move in the movement phase. You can roll nothing but 1-2 and they don't show up all game, MoS doesn't affect aerial reserves. If they do show up once it's 50/50 if they arrive a second time. Eagles and Raptors are good at their jobs. They can both have good missiles and have stable flyer.

The issue is that you'll never intercept a flyer without a xiphon or tarantula due to their unique machinics as they will arrive from any table edge turn 2+. If they do arrive turn 1 to do a strike mission they won't be letting passengers out so they don't care about being far up field.

>>96762261
So you're saying even if I bother going for skyfire options it won't matter?

>>96762024
Considering that you are shooting snapshots and intercept is no longer free I think it's better to keep your reaction points for something more useful than shooting at flyers

>>96762334
Skyfire means you don't shoot snap shots.

>>96762024
a caestus assault ram full of nasties is kinda scary but no can't think of anything else from the flyer list I'd be scared of

>>96762345
Even if that's the case, idk, you are taking basically the worst weapons on a sicaran or deredeo just for that and S7 is a 6 to wound AV12. I don't think it's work it
Maybe take an arcus instead. It has S8 anti air missiles I think

>>96762384
Deredeo is S8, and can take additional S8 AA missiles if I really wanted to. Good point about the arcus though.

>>96762331
If you have good terrain, unlikely, as they leave same turn you'll never shoot them unless it's return fire.

what about the sicaran omega? they changed its overcharged shot to large blast, but how does it fare against a predator plasma cannon?

>>96762721
You'll never find out because if you're giving predators a blast weapon it should be a conversion beamer

>>96762740
why

>>96762721
I mean, it's the exact same gun on maximal, the difference is do you want 6 D2 shots or 1 D1 5 inch blast on standard. Sicaran plasma is a waste of points, you're paying a 60 point premium over a predator for +1 HP and +2 movement. Either run a sicaran with an arcus or don't use one at all. The rear AV 12 is nice but how often is that actually going to come up

>>96762757
Even if you can only get 15 inches away you've got an S7 AP3 D2 5 inch blast, and as soon as you're over 30 you're wrecking stuff with AP2 D3.

Unless you're specifically trying to kill terminators, the mid range conversion beamer profile is better than the plasma overload profile

>>96762783
The punisher is kinda neat as one of the few suppressive options, and it's suppressive (2). 16 shots when stationary at S6 puts it up there with the heavier volkites if you're shooting 1W targets.

>>96760232

Those games still exist and I've played Epic '97 (far better then that stupid Epic Armageddon and derivatives) with my LI minis. It's brought a lot more attention to epic-scale gaming.

Fundamentally what I've seen is the most bitter grognards upset that they get beat by smarter, more serious players in LI, who then pitch a fit about the game, try to house rule it so it's illegal for their opponents to beat them, and generally act toxic and entitled.

Nothing but missile infantry is stupid but nobody wants to play that game, and so you generally don't see it. Moreover, it can be beat, especially if you let games get into the later turns instead of ragequitting bottom of 1.

>waacfags

Sorry to tell you, but those people already were part of the HH community. The people who rage out when they get beat by Auxilia, claiming that equal points of Auxilia should never beat Astartes, are a perfect example

>>96761635
> Ask stupid question and get pissy when he gets a short response
Faggot

>>96763716
Actually I was the one who asked what legion be use I was phone scrolling and didn't see the bagel door. Not the person you're responding to.

>>96756821
I mean, Saturnine units have surprisingly awkward rules for an edition trying to push them in the starter box really, but for a post-release journal it's weird that the Centurion equivalent don't even get melee weapons when the command squad does. It would probably have some use if Alone and Forgotten actually allowed other types of Centurions not in the libers, but it's really just an afterthought. Would be nice if they actually modeled paired fists too.

>>96756969
While I'd rather see MkV in plastic first, wonder if we'll get another official release similar to them. Hate how some of these one-off sculpts just get shelved.

>>96762331
yep. and if you encounter a gimmick flier list with a thawk or stormbird you're not gonna be able to shoot it down anyway

>buh-but arch is claiming that gw did nothing about those tards blabbing their mouth
Kek

>>96764515

Who to the what now?

>>96764561
Gw fired the people who were vocally happy about the kirk assassination despite people claiming they wouldnt

When they retconned this? Sorry if this is common knowledge, but I missed it totally. Is this HH 3.0 rulebook?

>>96764569

Who? Doesn't seem backed up.

Regardless, they shouldn't have. People should have been happy that that lying huckster was gone.

>>96764622

Retconned what?

>>96764637
The text.

They shall be my finest warriors, these men who give of themselves to me. Like clay I shall mould them, and in the furnace of war forge them. They will be of iron will and steely muscle. In great armour shall I clad them and with the mightiest guns will they be armed. They will be untouched by plague or disease, no sickness will blight them. They will have tactics, strategies and machines so that no foe can best them in battle. They are my bulwark against the Terror. They are the Defenders of Humanity. They are my Space Marines and they shall know no fear.

>>96764644
Again, what's retconned?

>>96764644
uh oh

>>96764691
The text is changee, missing some psrts like this: these men who give of themselves to me.

Not sure if I am talking to a wall.

the woke agenda cums for heresy

>>96764700
oh my god half life 3 confirmed!

>>96764569
if it's a UK position, no they didn't

protected speech, instant employment tribunal loss, nobody gives a shit about what happens in a failed state anyway

>>96764700

Where's the original version?

>>96764961
Here my dear wall

>>96764961
Literally retarded

>>96764622
It's just WD being retarded as usual, both the most recent supplement, codex, and rulebook use the proper quote the schizo theory, though, is that they were going to do femmarines but backed down and this "degendered" version went to print before the decision was made

Has anyone used the new measuring tool from the Saturnine box? It's actually useful?

>>96765361
It's great if you both:
Don't own a tape measurer
Don't have $5 to buy a tape measurer

>>96765386
I just want something a bit more classy than the gaudy GW orange tape measurer.
They could at least made it in olive green.

>>96764955
>in a failed state
Anon you are confusing the UK with another country again

>>96765090
it's always been wrong

it's not that we don't have examples of men becoming space marines, it's that generally they're pretty shitty space marines, like Kor Phaeron, who never really improves in centuries of fighting and needs massive resources just to be as good a soldier as an Optae is expected to be

but you can't swap "men" for "boys" in this line because then you sound like Kor Phaeron

>>96765494
baby dick energy post

>>96765515
baby dick energy country

>>96765515
>>96765656
Ugh, go make out already you two.

I think there will be female SM eventually, now that it seems GW is removing some attitudes against it
But I don't know what that change will mean. The danger of female supersoldiers is that one of them will eventually be fertile, and that'll be the end of the mortal species.
Life, uh, finds a way

>>96765825
Anon making space marines is not going to have anything that deep. It's just going to be surface level pandering to people who don't play the game to begin with

>>96765825
shit post but one thing i've noticed is the chudhammer types are all "it's not canon, it will never be canon, we must hold the gate!" acting like the threat is from the outside, when in reality GW has just unsheathed a knife and is ready to stab them in the back
I don't like the idea, but I have already accepted the inevitability of it

I just don't get why those types act like GW is always on their side and somehow this company that is TOTALLY "le based and right wing!" and that anything they deem as shit is somehow some "rogue intern" or whatever

>>96765880
>but I have already accepted the inevitability of it
Only shows your weakness

>>96765880
>act like GW is always on their side
The feeling I've gotten is people like 40k DESPITE everything GW does, and despite all the shit BL publishes
>>96765864
Femarines (and Femstodes) feel like a gooner's request. As in, their "Inclusion" looks like merely a fetish

>>96765936
>Femarines (and Femstodes) feel like a gooner's request. As in, their "Inclusion" looks like merely a fetish
I'd take coomer bait femarines before the abortions GW would come up with
It's pretty clear all designers at GW that know how to sculpt a woman are exclusively dedicated to xenos or specialist games

>scenario 1
GW: here you go [insert activist group] we finally made FSM, come play our game!
Activist group: ew isn't this game for Nazis? Hard pass lol.

>Scenario 2
GW: here you go, relatively new female hobbyist, these space Marines are girls so you can relate to them more, why not buy some of them!
Female hobbyist: that's cool I guess. *continues to play nids/deldar*

>scenario 3
GW: here you go, politically motivated content creator, we made FSM! Now why don't you signal boost them and get people to buy!
Content creator: *posts another video about GW pricing people out of the hobby and shilling their 3d print sponsor*

Oooh fuck, I can't make a new thread. Guess it's going to have to be you guys x.x

>>96766119
I'll do it.

>>96766147
Thanks m8

>>96766169
>>96766169
>>96766169
Migrate

Why does the sicaran punisher look like that

30k tech is supposed to be the height of the imperium but it looks like something a lance cpl threw together after finding a vulcan mega blaster in a junkyard