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>Thread Question
What's your favorite physical flaw/condition and what do you like about it?

>>96796518 (OP)
>tq
Changeling's eyes or similar shit because I'm a special snowflake.

The sky is the colour of unpolished concrete. It stays that way. No one comments.
The walkway spans two tower blocks. Three meters wide. Reinforced. The mist below does not rise above the third floor. This is a rule. The city enforces rules.
I sit on the bench. It is cast from the same mould as all benches. Four metal studs. They do not rust. The city treats rust as a defect. Defects are removed.
I wait. The time is 14:17. The city’s clocks are synchronized to the millisecond. No one is late. No one is early.
He arrives. He has a rabbit’s right paw. The fur is brown. It matches the colour of his coat cuffs. He sits. The bench does not creak. Creaking is a defect.
We do not greet each other. Greetings are redundant. Redundancies are discouraged.

>>96796950
He places his left hand on the second stud. I place my right hand on the fourth. This is the procedure.
“Did you verify the contents?” he says.
The question is not a request for information. It is a formality.
“The contents are verified,” I say.
He removes his left hand. I remove my right.
He uses the rabbit’s paw to retrieve an envelope from his coat. The claws are clipped to one millimeter. The city requires clipped claws on public walkways. There is a scratch on the paw’s pad. It is 1.8 millimeters long. It is not a defect.
He sets the envelope on the stud between us. The stud is warm. The city heats bench studs to 21 degrees Celsius. This is a comfort measure. No one feels comfort.

>>96796962
I do not touch the envelope yet. The procedure requires a pause. Ten seconds. I count them. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.
“Your paw does not shed,” I say.
It is not a question. It is an observation. Observations are permitted if they are factual.
“No,” he says. “Shedding is a defect.”
I pick up the envelope. The paper is thick. The city uses thick paper for official correspondence. Thin paper is a defect.
“Will you take the north stairwell?” I say.
The question is not a request for direction. It is a ritual.
“The north stairwell has a crack,” he says. “I will take the west.”
Cracks are noted. Not reported. Reporting is reserved for defects that impede function.
I stand. He stands. The bench is empty. Empty benches are reset at 14:30. Resetting means wiping with a cloth soaked in 3% chlorine solution. This is the procedure.
I walk east. He walks west. We do not look back. Looking back is a sign of uncertainty. Uncertainty is a defect.
The mist below does not move. The sky does not change. The city continues.

>>96796950
>>96796962
Ah, the glory of Static Reality!

>>96796370
I would like to read that if you have it on hand.

>TQ
Beast marks because I’m GANGREL GANG and having permanent scary eyes is cool

>>96797011
>permanent
Have you tried washing?

>>96797082
You the dude needing mouth wash
Your breath stinks after trying to talk shit only to end up eating it after I kick your ass

How much do you think is the average /wodg/ poster's Banality? I'd say around 7 or so since we're utterly stuck in our autistic ways but at same time we actually question things and there is some degree of creativity in these threads.

>>96797187
8 for the super tismos and 6 for those that are functional

>>96796370
>>96797211
Please post, I'll use it.

>>96797187
/tg/ is mostly autumn people, that's why no one likes CtD

>>96797187
>Technocrat
Solid 8 for me

>>96797245
Technocrats are at least a 9.

>>96797187
isnt classifying levels of banality banal in and of itself?

>>96796518 (OP)
So
Earth officially has a 2nd moon until 2083
Implications?

>>96797326
Small glamour burst for kith. Woofs feel more of Luna's presence. Who knows if that'll make them more furious or calmer.
Mages shrug while expanding rituals to include it while Technocracy goes through a false alarm since they forgot they put out an explanation a century ago. Doesn't stop some sections from having an audit as punishment for the slip.
Tremere, Haqim, Lasombra, and Hecata are the only clans to notice because it impacts their disciplines.
Hunters get it in their head it's a supposed 'dead' moon summoned by something.

>>96797281
Yes, lose 6 glamour

>>96797326
Huh?

>>96797326
>it's 19 meters across
That's like saying a pebble in low orbit affects your sleep. Move along.

>>96797498
https://www.instagram.com/p/DQCJxbJCvYb/

>>96796518 (OP)
I want to know more about albino MILF werewolf dommy mommy...

>>96797326
It's the control module of Theia. It survived the Giant Impact and was ejected on a longer orbit through the system while the rest of the vessel's mass melted into Earth's crust or was salvaged to build Luna. If it is allowed to make contact, it will restore the Moon from save state and it will instantly cease to exist in any form ever known by terrestrial beings.

>>96797187
I've never read changeling, what are the numbers for

>>96797548
>Can't see it with the naked eye
What's the point

Sex with the supernatural

>>96797669
I bet you can't see Anthelios, either

>>96797624
How susceptible someone is to changeling magic and how likely they are to slowly weaken or kill changelings with their mere presence if above 7.

>>96797187
Yeah 6-8, we're fairly normal human beings.
Although I genuinely feel like I've gained banality over the last few years. I used to be able to daydream so well, on command. Now it's mere sputters, like my creativeness has all dried up.

>>96797822
>Creativeness
Creativity, goddamit.

>>96796518 (OP)
That smug aura... I can feel an evil presenceb

>>96796518 (OP)
>What's your favorite physical flaw/condition and what do you like about it?
Child. Because it's perfect setup to feign innocence/ignorance in pretty much any situation whatsoever. Or genuine entusiasm and child-like wonder (which would feel wrong on jaded elder). Also occassional poor impulse control. At least in character.

>>96798092
Being a girl child forever is fine. Being a boy child forever makes tanning on the beach worthwhile.

>>96797227
>Missed the anons gushing about ctd
To be frank, autumn and autist shouldn't be related. The best artistic works in history were made by turbo-autists with an art fixation.

>>96797822
That called internet addiction anon. Stop using the computer or gaming for 24 hours, it'll come back. Imagination is a function of boredom +no outside distractions(so boredly scrolling 4chan won't work)

>>96798167
/tg/ leans more towards the no fun allowed kind of autist, which is 100% autumn person

>>96798231
Nah, /tg/ is at least 50% sjitposters trying to derail threads, which is nightmare glamour oriented.

>>96798092
>every anon suddenly becomes a kindred loli What happens?

>>96798092
>(which would feel wrong on jaded elder)
That little priestess from a tribe rejected out of recorded history is going to want to try driving at least once.

>>96798344
4chan was made for loli
>>96798524
No. I respect your right to exust, but you will not force it on me.

>>96798596
>but you will not force it on me.
Too late. Choose your clan and your appearance.

The Kitsune did nothing wrong!

>>96798269
Ruining peoples' fun is like half of what autumn people do

>TQ
Does the Salubri eye count?

>>96798706
Indeed.

>>96798720
I'm going to stick my dick in that third eye.

>>96798720
feels weird having to make eye contact with someone's forehead

>>96798524
Brujah loli is a brat.

>>96798783
>Gangrel loli is a tomboy who likes the outdoors

>>96798777
It shouldn't still feel weird after you trust a vampire enough for eye contact.

Does anyone else think that social merits like Allies/Retainers/Mentors/etc are extremely overpowered?

do you think salubri have better depth perception

>>96798846
Tough question. Maybe a little, though I'd imagine the elevation would be a bigger obstacle

>>96798783
https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Cherubim_(VTM)

>>96799045
>Raphael brought her into the Shepherds of Caine and seeks to console her years of torture, but somehow cannot resist her intensely sexual nature.

>>96799133
Truly the power of fucking PRESENCE THREE is to be feared.

>>96799280
Based fellow /an/ poster.

>>96799045
Place your bets:
Does the writer imagine himself as Cherubim or Raphael?

>>96796518 (OP)
TQ I love eat food as a trait, I actually enjoy going out with other vampires and eating, I think you can give a lot of personality to characters based on the things they consume which is why I appreciate so much the eat food trait.

Also been running for a few weeks a solo player chronicle based on the cities of the GTA universe to post anything completely unrelated to the TQ.

Does anyone have that old, really bad power level chart comparing mages, vamps and werewolves? I desperately need it.

Where do Imbued Hunters tend to fall regarding banality? They literally hear supernatural voices that give them their powers, but they also are firmly tied to mundane reality and can never access the umbra/underworld/etc.

>>96798818
>Does anyone else think that social merits like Allies/Retainers/Mentors/etc are extremely overpowered?
I know that my GM didn't like them.

>>96799906
I'm worried they're a bit too broad and cheap with the freebie points, thankfully none of my players seem to put points in background traits so they're all-inning on merits or willpower

Where's Vigil 2e?

>>96799997
Check the second Mega. The first one doesn't include STV vault stuff but hasn't been updated in years.

>>96796518 (OP)
MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY MOMMY

>>96796518 (OP)
Clumsy, or anything which makes your hands less able. It truly fucks with everything.

>>96799045
Hate it but this is the type of shit you need in your games to avoid getting filled with crybaby snowflakes.

>>96800099
yeah it'll fill it with the other crybaby snowflakes

>>96799936
They're broad overall, but you're very much meant to narrow down who or what your allies/retainers/mentor/whatever are and what they're good for.
Having a butler as retainer is different from having a bodyguard, for example.

>>96800163
eh thankfully I doubt my players would bring it up, though I expect it to happen at some point

>>96800003
That only has the Kickstarter versions.

>>96800163
>Having a butler as retainer is different from having a bodyguard, for example.
Since when was a butler not a wire wielding bodyguard who could do it all?

>>96800320
When their master has retainer 1 over 3

>>96800320
>Artemis Fowl
>Hellsing
>Hayate the Combat Butler
what other media franchises feature gigachad combat butlers?

>>96800348
Jean Passepartout
Black Butler
Batman's Alfred
Saturnin could probably do it if permitted to use violence freely.

How exactly would a Prince be removed from their position outside of just killing them? Does the Camarilla have a vote that can remove them from their position? How would someone else be assigned in their place?

I'm working on a plot set in St. Louis and I have a prince from Kansas City involved but I feel like they wouldn't allow you to take over a city across the state as well.

>>96800649
The Camarilla is an extremely loose organization. It's not appointing princes, it's just making them swear fealty and agree to uphold their laws. Think of a prince just as whoever is in charge and the people they answer to on a night by night basis are the people they are prince of. The main threat of being deposed comes from the masses and intrigues within your own territory, not whatever some jackass an entire continent away thinks.

>>96800649
If it's part of a coalition and that prince is a small fish or part of an expansion. Like the blood trade end point.

>>96800649
>Does the Camarilla have a vote that can remove them from their position?
yeah, if the inner circle think you're garbage at your job (and threatening the masquerade too much), they send a justicar to kick your ass (under some other pretext)

>>96800649
>How exactly would a Prince be removed from their position outside of just killing them? Does the Camarilla have a vote that can remove them from their position? How would someone else be assigned in their place?

some princes can just be voted out by the primogen while some princes are politically so powerful that killing them it the only way to remove them so it's up to you how you design the city

>I'm working on a plot set in St. Louis and I have a prince from Kansas City involved but I feel like they wouldn't allow you to take over a city across the state as well.
for a prince to mess with another domain however is a big no no because that's what get's archons involved because he is breaking a tradition (domain) and if he fucks up trying to mess with a domain across the state he could in theory even find himself as a redlist candidate because his crime covered several domains (it's unlikely that he would be picked however unless he pissed off a specific clan)

>>96800649
>How exactly would a Prince be removed from their position outside of just killing them?
Executing Princes can be bad for business. Makes too big of a mess, disrupts important affairs in the city, leave a power vacuum, and you don't get to recycle their well-established power structures and connections if you do that. Much more savvy to just get some absolutely damning dirt on them and pressure them into retirement. Retirement of course being soft exile, he leaves and doesn't come back to that city ever again or the dirt gets spilled and THEN he dies by the Camarilla's hand. It means he starts over from scratch somewhere very very far away, but he gets to keep his life and you get to take his throne. It's a win/win that even the most arrogant Prince can't argue with.
>Does the Camarilla have a vote that can remove them from their position?
Far more likely that if a Prince were to truly piss off his betters in the Camarilla, they'd simply tell him to abdicate his throne and find someone with better manners to replace him. I doubt any sort of council would usually convene for such business unless it's a genuine crisis situation they're trying to resolve as quickly as possible. Generally the Camarilla prefer subtle moves from such long distances, as direct action is a sign of weakness and internal strife that they can't afford to let their enemies smell.
>How would someone else be assigned in their place?
Anyone in the Prince's inner circle that has proven especially loyal to Camarilla will likely be elevated to replace him. Transplanting someone else to run the city can ruffle far more feathers and foster more anti-Camarilla sentiment, which they generally prefer to avoid having to deal with. Plus, local leaders are already well-versed in the local situation and won't need years to foster connections and operations there, so it's generally more efficient.

>>96800722
So if the Prince of Kansas City deposes the Prince of St. Louis and says "I just straight up rule Missouri now." the Camarilla would just shrug their shoulders and say "Guess so!"

>>96800749
I'd say it's fairly important to the blood trade despite its size. It's on the Mississippi and has the second largest inland port in the US. It'd probably be a major stop for those traveling to and from Minneapolis/St Paul and Chicago. The Prince isn't too powerful (though an I think, second edition book outright states that the Prince of St. Louis could call a meeting to have rules laid down.) but he is old and experienced and in good with Chicago.

>>96800762
Interesting!

>>96800795
It's moreso that St. Louis is in a precarious position, so he's seeing it as weakness, but I might have it be he's trying to undermine the power structure in St. Louis through covert agents and plausible deniability.

>>96800801
Makes sense that you don't want to really throw things off too much. Keep things in order with people who know the city without making waves.

Thanks for the help. I'll change things up a bit!

>>96800649
The Camarilla doesn't like having to executively remove a Prince for obvious reasons, they'd much prefer to support a local overthrow. But, if a Prince is flagrantly pissing on the traditions, or threatening the masquerade, they can send Archons/a Justicar to do it. They also do not like executively appointing Princes, and would only do it if there were absolutely no locals qualified for the position. What they'd rather do is endorse a claimant they like.

In other words, they need a crisis significant enough to justify executive action, because Princes, the local rulers who actually serve as the Camarilla's constituency, are very cautious about empowering the Inner Circle and Justiciars. Maybe they have to manufacture that crisis, but there still needs to be a very good reason to do it. Then back a competent and loyal local leader and return to status quo.

>>96800907
>So if the Prince of Kansas City deposes the Prince of St. Louis and says "I just straight up rule Missouri now." the Camarilla would just shrug their shoulders and say "Guess so!"

Aside from weird lore aberrations like the french language only France by Night, that kind of shit would not fly. The Camarilla would probably have his ass kicked for trying to be Prince of two cities at the same time.

>>96800924
Makes sense. I wanted to have some sort of Power Play involved but I will cut that out.

Thanks, everyone!

>>96800907
>the Camarilla would just shrug their shoulders and say "Guess so!"
Are made-men allowed to kill each other? No, but also yes, especially if they get permission from someone with influence.

>>96800946
You probably could have a power play involved it just is maybe state sized instead of international. Would this be something the players workup to or just they're caught in the middle of it?

>>96800649
>I'm working on a plot set in St. Louis and I have a prince from Kansas City involved but I feel like they wouldn't allow you to take over a city across the state as well.
As other posters have alluded to, this would likely be perceived as a violation of the St. Louis Domain by Kansas City. HOWEVER, that's only if the takeover is something obvious and in plain sight. The Prince of Kansas City could absolutely have a plant in the St. Louis inner circle, an agent he supports from afar to replace the St. Louis Prince. And if his agent does win in his bid for power, then from that point on Kansas City Prince effectively owns St. Louis by proxy, albeit only so long as he can control his agent on the throne. If his agent gains too much personal influence and power he might be able to go fully independent and then St. Louis stands for itself again.
Of course, if this conspiracy were to be unveiled with hard evidence of the fact the new St. Louis Prince is nothing more than a puppet installed by Kansas City, the Kansas City Prince would be in deep shit unless he manages to downplay this into being 'merely close ties.' But these sorts of political games are very common regardless in Kindred society, where everyone is conspiring to gain power however they can, even if it means skirting the edge of violating a Camarilla tenet.

>>96800962
Caught in the middle. I'm sort of working out the state of the game board they're diving into.

>>96800957
Funnily enough, my idea was that the Kansas City Prince was an old mafioso.

>>96800976
Yeah, that might be what I go for. Agents within St Louis that he controls by proxy.

Look at me, look at me
Drivin' and I won't stop
And it feels so good to be alive and on top
My reach is global
My tower secure
My cause is noble
My power is pure

A heart that's full up like a landfill

>>96801325
A job that slowly kills you

>>96801333
Bruises that won't heal

>>96801345
You look so tired, unhappy

>>96801359
Bring down the government

>>96801375
>Demon
>It's there but there's nothing to be said
Fitting.

>>96796518 (OP)
I was going through lore of the clans and the nosferatu merit 'Slimy' just tickled me

>>96801325
>>96801333
>>96801345
>>96801359
Fuck

After thoroughly looking at V5 my disappointment was immeasurable, so I decided to look into older systems. Is V20 what I want?

>>96801618
yes

>>96801375
>>96801449
why not
is it shit? or just boring?

>>96801750
It's kino.

>>96801618
pretty much v20, maybe some of the supplements. v5 lore is just assraped though so you'll have to pick and choose what you like and don't like

>>96801753
how come it's not more popular? just overshadowed by other splats?
i've even seen more wraith discussion than demon here

>>96801714
Hopefully the system doesn't cause you to immediately frenzy from hunger every time you decide to use a discipline.
>>96801786
V5 lore seems to want to ramp up the SI but it has a lot of holes and makes vampires feel like shit, at least when I was actually examining the system. It just didn't look fun. Every design decision in V5 seems like it's geared to forcing you into a frenzy and mental breakdown like you're schizophrenic. It's forced drama, for lack of better words. Wish I could explain myself better.

>>96801858
>forced drama
Pretty much it, it doesn't want to engage in the Vampire fantasy as a supernatural monster it wants to engage in the vampire fantasy as a victim of a power structure beyond your grasp (elders, beckoning, SI)

>>96801449 >>96801750
Haha, I just forgot to put the lyric:
> They don't, they don't speak for us

>>96801792
Both Demon: the Fallen and Demon: the Descent appeared too late and both caused issues with the cosmology.

>>96799852
Probably as much Banality as the average person. You forget, the Imbued for all intents and purposes are supposed to be considered "normal" people. In the HtR: Urban Legends sourcebook, a bunch of Imbued got bodied by a single Unseelie Satyr, so it's not like they can weaponize Banality anyway.

The Bizarre World of Mummy Tattoos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rePFPBzw0BA

>>96802927
Also, King Ramses' Curse would make for an authentic Mummy: the Curse session.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8wCHa73ZYw

A bit of a logistical question about the the Camarilla structure (pre V5), just to know if I haven't written myself into a corner with my new campaign.
Can a Kindred hold multiple positions at court? Can for instance the Tremere vampire be both a Prince and a Regent of the Chantry? Or is it too much of a powergrab? Granted, who is going to tell the Tremere no, but how does that work officially?

>>96803175
Typically a regent will have too many responsibilities at their Chantry to become a Prince. They can serve as primogen fairly easily since a regent’s and primogen’s responsibilities overlap. It could be a good narrative where the Tremere in question has to deal with being appointed Prince, gives up their regency reluctantly, and has their decisions constantly questioned because the pull of the pyramid keeps affecting their judgment.

If you’re thinking about Bloodlines, Therese can be considered the next in line to be LA’s prince instead of Strauss within the game. In the Gehenna timeline she never gets the chance because first the Anarchs, and then thin-bloods, take over LA. I don’t know what happens in V5 because I don’t care.

>>96803175
In the case of Clan titles and Court titles? Yeah you can double dip. If the Prince is Tremere, he probably is also the local Regent. Clan specific titles like Tremere Regent or Ventrue Praetor are not court titles, so they don't conflict with holding a city position.

But double dipping on Court titles? Basically unheard of. The one kinda exception is sometimes Princes do not have Primogen of their own clan, since they already serve their clan's interests. However, this is rare as most Princes say it allows them to be more impartial if someone else represents their clan on the Primogen council. (This is a lie, most clans will have their own Primogen be their yes-man.)

>>96803229
>>96803240
this is why no one trusts the tremere

>>96803251
Well Tremere Princes aren't that common to begin with so I doubt it's a common conundrum to run into.

>>96803229
Well, my idea for a political clusterfuck for the day was that the local Tremere regent decided to make a powergrab of an ex-Sabbat territory and take the position of a Prince for himself, simply because nobody else was willing to pick up the slack. The whole point is that he and his Tremere lackeys are making too many questionable power plays making a lot of remaining Kindred uncomfortable. Plus your regular Tremere experiments on every Kindred who bothers to have a problem with them. And PCs are technically on his leash, until inevitably his Tremere Lords intervene and tell the PCs to get rid of him, because he overstepped his bounds. I mean, that was the idea, hence I was wondering if that scenario is even possible.

>>96803295
>Tremere Regent takes land from the Sabbat, declares himself Prince
>Starts getting uppity, pisses off neighboring Princes and his subjects
>Starts experimenting on non-Sabbat, non-Anarch Kindred
>His own bosses in the Pyramid order him 86'd before this makes them look bad

Is that essentially what you're going for? Because if so, that's entirely plausible.

>>96803313
It's slightly more complex than that, but yeah, that's the gist of it. So, thanks, if it works, it works.

>>96803313
Seconding this. Few things piss a Camarilla vampire off more than an upstart, which is why things like diablerie and wanton embracing are death penalties. A Tremere regent causing a cascade event where their apprentices are rapidly breaking out from the greater pyramid because said regent is declaring themselves a prince would be fantastic for a player story.
>Why can’t a Tremere lord intervene?
Because that would embarrass the clan in front of the rest of the Camarilla. Having a group discretely solve the problem and then cover up just how badly things got out of Tremere control is the best path forward.
>Why is the regent so difficult to remove?
The regent has apprentices, and even 2 or 3 dots in Thaumaturgy makes an enemy vampire dangerous. They are also devoted disciples to the regent and may even be entirely unaware he’s acting outside of the pyramid. To the apprentices, the players are going to be the “bad guys”.
>What makes the regent a threat worthy of dealing with?
… He‘s a regent. With blood magic. And a prince’s amount of resources to exploit. Dumbass.

Yeah, you’ve got the foundation for a good story. I hope it turns out well!

I'm a VTM tourist and I just finished playing Nightroad, I suppose, in preparation for Bloodlines 2.

What does 4chan think of "The Beckoning"? I think it's a lame addition to the lore. Elders are cool, why would I want them going away?

>>96803368
>>>/v/723780448

What are the similarities and differences between vampire and changeling courts (for both Old World of Darkness and the Chronicles of Darkness)?

>>96803372
Yeah, so? Also, you fucked up cross-linking on the other thread, retard.

>>96803366
Thanks, appreciate it. Also, in case of my Regent Prince, neither the Camarilla nor the Pyramid cares to remove him simply because a) there is nobody else for his place, b) he's actually *competent*. Sure, his domain is a terror realm that makes Orwell's 1984 look like a paradise, but it works. If only because it keeps Sabbat at bay.
And the only other potential candidate is a Brujah primogen, because those were historically Brujah lands. But she herself doesn't want the job, because the last time the Brujah Prince ruled this domain (primogen's sire, mind you), he did a such a great job, the whole land fell to Sabbat for 200 years. So, no, Camarilla would rather roll with an uppity Tremere Prince.

Quick question about Prometheans: can you incapacitate one and just slowly harvest Vitriol from it or is it more like squeezing an orange where you have to husk it out entirely to get anything?

>>96803368
is this shit any good?

>>96803402
Feel free to tell stories as you see fit.
My inner writer desperately wants to mangle you for not creating a story where the Brujah has to learn to nut up and be a prince by working parallel and briefly in tandem with the players, and discovering among the ashes of books burned by the Sabbat a True Brujah’s diary that acts as her personal Aurelius Meditations to guide her as she finds the courage to claim praxis.

>>96803410
It's the best text based WoD "videogame". I realize that's a very low bar.

>>96803419
>Feel free to tell stories as you see fit
Yeah, I know, I just feel like brainstorming ideas on a Mongolian basket-weaving forum.
Also, yeah, I actually briefly thought about it. I just don't want the Brujah's story to overshadow the entire campaign away from the PCs. But it's a good idea.

>>96803368
It's a stupid idea that would work as a mysterious hook in a story but is instead a sweeping phenomenon that makes everything more boring and formulaic
I have never played a single game that didn't retcon this out, same for the Hecata shit

>>96803404
From the first edition:

> The Promethean stealing the Vitriol need not use it immediately, nor must he devote it to the same things the victim had planned to spend it on. Of course, a Promethean who steals Vitriol and doesn’t use it within a week may be subject to another’s lacuna himself.

> Lacunae are emphatically not the tools or resources of a well-adjusted Promethean. Stealing Vitriol from another Promethean expressly inhibits his ability to complete his own Pilgrimage. While no single act should cause a Promethean to be deemed ineligible for Rebirth, lacunae cut it very close. Two acts of lacuna should raise an eyebrow and might indeed preclude a Promethean from attaining the Great Work unless the circumstances are dire or exceedingly appropriate to the character’s Pilgrimage. Performing three or more lacunae indicates that the Promethean almost certainly isn’t cut out for life as a human. He’s reached a predatory or selfish state that surpasses even the most grotesque or maladjusted case of compassionate human nature.

>>96803368
It's only a matter of time until it gets retconned out or "solved". Not even the devs acknowledge it anymore.

In real life, you are a crackpot if you believe in Atlantis.
In Mage: the Awakening, you're a crackpot if you don't!

>>96803419
>>96803442
Yeah, write what you want. It's good to get an idea of what's plausible and what isn't, but it's ultimately your final call what should go in there.

Of course, my inner writer would find a plot with an obvious good and reluctant ruler to be eye-rolling in a game like Vampire. Especially for a clan that is so often whitewashed as the "misguided and angry good guys" like the Brujah. I would also avoid making any NPC, especially an elder, too central to the story in as a portagonist, because that would basically turn the PCs into her gofers, with her being the real driving force. Also I don't believe a Brujah could be a good Prince even if they tried.

>>96803419
>>96803478
now call each other faggots and have a 10 hour flame war

>>96803514
No. I'm quite content to allow people to have their own preferences. I just wanted to provide a different perspective.

>>96803450
Cool. That means that the idea I had of a conspiracy harvesting a Galatea of Vitriol to create Deviants doesn't break canon
I think

Dark Ages question: after how many years a young Kindred can be allowed to have his baby's first mini-domain? Or is it just a matter of finding a patch of land nobody wants and calling dibs on it? I am specifically asking about Dark Ages, because the things were much more Wild West back then.

I finished Trepang 2. It gave me Pentex vibes.
What is a proper way to portray Pentex? Should the name even be heard at the table, since Pentex tends to never act directly?
How do you effectively portray how terrifying they are?

Pic unrelated.

>>96803681
>Should the name even be heard at the table, since Pentex tends to never act
It’s basically one of the big conglomerates in-universe. It would basically be like
>Google
>Amazon
>BlackRock
>Pentex
>Nestle
>Meta
You’ve heard of those companies irl? It wouldn’t be out of place among them, is what I’m saying.

>>96803681
I just use real-life companies’ ecological and social crimes. It saves plenty of time when creating a history and generating motivations.

For example, when Coca-Cola nearly caused Madagascar to lose all of their vanilla bean futures, the players had to deal with the Coca-Cola mercenaries in Atlanta, find the means to travel to Argentina, deal with the Fomori-empowered mercs that were protecting US interests and terrorizing local farmers, then travel again to deal with bad faith actors in the Fair Trade debates, only to find out too late that Coca-Cola had both expanded to plunder vanilla beans from other countries—the players realizing the scope was too large for them to ever solve themselves—and created a bane-infested synthetic vanilla, on top of the bane-infested high fructose corn syrup. This new Vanilla Coke was shipped to the West coast while the locals kept the authentic supply, because the synthetic supply double-amplified the racism bane in Vanilla Coke in an attempt to make Californians more hostile to blacks. This inadvertently increased gang violence between Mexicans and blacks in Southern California because the police would drink the double-baned Coke and were finally willing to let black people die in the streets, and Mexicans were drinking “authentic” Coke which uses sugar infected with a bane that makes them have visions of Santa Anna ordering them to retake America.

Of course, none of this happened in real life, but it saved me a lot of time planning for that season’s story.

>>96803681
I just use real-life companies’ ecological and social crimes. It saves plenty of time when creating a history and generating motivations.

For example, when Coca-Cola nearly caused Madagascar to lose all of their vanilla bean futures, the players had to deal with the Coca-Cola mercenaries in Atlanta, find the means to travel to Madagascar, deal with the Fomori-empowered mercs that were protecting US interests and terrorizing local farmers, then travel again to deal with bad faith actors in the Fair Trade debates, only to find out too late that Coca-Cola had both expanded to plunder vanilla beans from other countries—the players realizing the scope was too large for them to ever solve themselves—and created a bane-infested synthetic vanilla, on top of the bane-infested high fructose corn syrup. This new Vanilla Coke was shipped to the West coast while the locals kept the authentic supply, because the synthetic supply double-amplified the racism bane in Vanilla Coke in an attempt to make Californians more hostile to blacks. This inadvertently increased gang violence between Mexicans and blacks in Southern California because the police would drink the double-baned Coke and were finally willing to let black people die in the streets, and Mexicans were drinking “authentic” Coke which uses sugar infected with a bane that makes them have visions of Santa Anna ordering them to retake America.

Of course, none of this happened in real life, but it saved me a lot of time planning for that season’s story.

Planting my virile human seed in Black Fury Pvssy

>Zoomers are now being Embraced
>Zoomers are now experiencing their First Change and being entrusted with preventing the Apocalypse
>Zoomer are now Awakening
The future is doomed.

>>96803780
Boomers said the same thing about Millennials and OH LOOK GEHENNA DIDNT HAPPEN so shut up unc u bussin ong fr fr no cap

>>96803780
Any kindred embraced after 1993 Can’t Jyhad, All They Know Is Diablerie, Charge Their Phone, Twerk, Be Bisexual, Join The Anarchs And Lie

>>96803839
Technically that’s true of any Kindred born after 1987 (1984 in Amerigestapoland)

>>96803780
Maybe you should've raised your kids better, dipshit

>>96803863
>inb4 “my parents didn’t teach me anything, if I could make it, so should you “

>>96803780
>Zoomer are now Awakening
The Technocracy HATES this

>>96803780
Honestly Zoomers are so atomized I wouldn't be surprised if they awakened as Marauders

>>96803904
“Either it happens or it don’t, it’s 50-50.”
>”No! There are 10 choices! If you guess randomly, you have a 1 in 10 chance of guessing correctly!”
“Uhh… either it happens or it don’t… meaning it’s 50-50…”

>>96803780
>Glass Walker Tiktokers
Hmmm…
I was going to say Glass Walker eGirls, but the term “eGirls” is already outdated. Fuck, where has the time gone?

>>96803952
Dammit, now I want to make a Glasswalker e-thot pimp.
>So, why did you take 5 dots in the kinfolk background? You're a glasswalker, what use are a bunch of normal humans going to be?
>You'll see

>>96803927
Actually, I have Entropy 2, so it really is 50/50.

>>96803780
Would they be more likely or less likely to become wraiths?

>>96803927
>Want to win the lottery? The Technocracy hate this one trick, join the Society of Ether today, where all of your gacha pulls are either WIN OR LOSE under Dr. Fornicus' new theorem of resultant fortune!

>>96804020
archmage, delete this wizard

>>96803952
there's gonna be someone out there wearing this kind of stuff unironically

>>96804024
>Unc doesn't know having strong emotional attachments is cringe
Sheeeeesshhh

But seriously, straight to the soul-forges with them.

There aren’t as many Zoomer Changelings as previous generations because of the over prescription of SSRIs

>>96804067 >>96804024 >>96803780
What about changelings?

>>96804066
I would wear this.

>>96804076
Turns out Tiktok brainrot and live-service battle pass games spread Banality.

Also this >>96804074
Kids these days are popping meds like candies these days. On an unrelated note, certain Syndicate and Progenitors amalgams are celebrating somewhere.

>>96804076
Too banal, instant changeling death

>>96804092
>t. least horny kinfolk

>>96803780
Maybe real life was the REAL World of Darkness all along.

>>96803780
vtubing vampires

>>96804124
Seems like a good way for a Nosferatu to use technology and hide their faces.

>>96804141
You bet your ass that GawrGura was a hengeyokai

Zoomer mummies...

>>96804141
>Society of Leopold discovers vampires are real after an obsessed fan tracks down a Nosferatu Vtuber by the outside ambient noise, time of streaming relative to the clock on the Vtuber’s computer to locate time zone, and most prevalent fast food trash in the room to determine nearest restaurant to apartment

>>96803681
>>96803736
Something important to note is that Pentax is a conglomerate and is good at delegating tasks. You’d most commonly be dealing with one of their subsidiaries which may or may not have a “*A Pentex Subsidiary” somewhere on the label.

You’d probably only deal with Pentex directly when it came to their Special Projects like Project Odyssey but even then that would be a bit down the rabbit hole.

>>96803780
>Zoomer hunters talking about hunting on social media instead of actually doing it
You bet your ass they'll try to spare their target when they actually get around to hunting. The hunt had fallen...

>>96803229
Therese was never a part of the Camarilla, she was a local baron who was courting them for a position. That's why she had the Nos infiltrating and spying on her as well as her sister actively sabotaging her efforts.

>>96803780
The idea of TikToker mages posting straight up magic online and people thinking it’s just video editing is really funny.

>>96803761
>just use real-life companies’ ecological and social crimes
Seconding this, the real shit large companies get up to is usually more fucked up and convoluted than what you'll come up with on your own. Just add in a few banes and you're done.

>>96803761
>>96804305
every teenager loses their minds learning about the united fruit company and their banana republics

>>96804326
If they're smart they'll apply for a job at megacorp.

>>96804305
Sweet Baby Inc making games woke is like the least harmful thing a Consulting Company has done.

The type of shit McKinsey has gotten away with is nuts.

>>96804274
>Dude I literally saw that guy cast fireball
>Nah chill bro I saw this on tiktok it's some movie shit

>>96804274
on the upside, magic has suddenly got a lot easier for everyone as long as they can sell it as "AI"

NEWS FLASH, YOU TRADITIONALIST FUCKS

>>96804510
I’m going to miss you all but the human race desperately needs a solar flare if we’re going to escape the God Demon Machine.

>>96804533
Were trapped in the belly of this horrible machine, and the machine is bleeding to death…

>>96804510
Tradcucks are losing hard in the modern day and age. Technosweep is as strong as ever.

>>96804533
>>96804614
This city’s sleeping like a soldier trapped inside of an iron lung…

>>96804646
Mega Man is an Iterator's wet dream.

>>96804189
>>Society of Leopold discovers vampires are real
More like they discover the fact social media and shit like that can be weaponized against their enemies.

>>96804687
They still fail to weaponize it

>>96804689
Well, I'm afraid you can't stake bureaucracy through the heart. Best you can do is someone up top will see the potential of new metchods.

>>96803761
...so do you DM werewolves games? Because shit, I got a mini panic attack just reading you.

>>96803761
I wish Coca-Cola was half as cool as this.

>>96804766
By making California great again?

Congrats /tg/, I've decided to make you a supernatural! Uh the only issue is your choices are
>embraced as a Nosferatu/Malkavian
>join the Traditions as a member of House Tytalus
>Werewolf but youre a Bone Gnawer or a Stolen Moon/Skin-Dancer
>Hunter but youre a Imbued Hunter
... no take backs and if you kill yourself you become a wraith.

>>96804780
I take my chances with Tytalus because if I don't die I'll least have powers that make the bullshit worth it

>>96804780
>Hunter
That's coo-
>Imbued
Fuck!

>>96804780
>>embraced as a Nosferatu/Malkavian
A hybrid embrace sounds like a fun ride. I'm definitely fucked but what a story.

>>96804775
>By making California great again?
Whan was the last time that place was great?

>>96804798
Kiiiiiillll the UPS driver pulling up to your house Anon..... he is a demon wearing the flesh of a man......

It’s funny that The Progenitors are depicted as being the most Facts And Logic faction of The Technocracy when medical doctors are the most likely out of any scientific discipline to be Young Earth Creationist.

>>96804841
Cyborgs and vat-grown clone bodies are cool and that's a fact.

>>96804780
>>96804798
What's wrong with Imbued hunters? I know nothing about hunter lore.

>>96804798
>>96804827
That cute cashier at the local fast food place who keeps sneaking glances at you? She’s actually a monster. You have to behead her. Trust us.

>>96804970
they start out as schizo and start becoming more and more insane (not just from their power they get actual derangments) the more they level up and in the end they either burn up or turn into vessels of their masters

>>96804798
>>96804827
>>96804972

>>96804982
Is it a different book than the one used in Hunter the Parenting, or is getting imbued its own thing coming on top of, you know, the hunting of slashers, monsters and what else ?
Or is D imbued and that's why he's insane?

>>96804970
They’re average people given supernatural powers and sudden awareness of the monsters that live among them. Their only source of information are cryptic voices and messages that suddenly appear whenever the fuck they want. These messengers are so vague and infrequent, it makes the Imbued come off as a schizo. This, in addition to running what is essentially a secret guerrilla war against an unknown enemy, tends to mentally break some people who were chosen to become Imbued.

Hunter: the Reckoning fanfiction.

>>96805027
I mean, given how the world of darkness is, I know I'd go insane if I knew a quarter of the shit that goes in the lore.

>>96805013
not all hunters are imbued but marcus seen hunter script when he used the artifact in the arcanum club house which is a sign that the messangers (big boss angels in charge of the imbued) might want him to become a imbued

>>96805013
Imbued are the protagonists of Hunter: The Reckoning.
And no, HtP seems to be using Hunter 5th edition. Not going to go too in depth, but H5’s hunters are normal, non-powered humans.

>>96805013
I don't know much about Hunter: The Parenting but I do know that Slashers are unique to Vigil which doesn't utilize Imbued.

>>96805052
So an imbued hunter is actually WORSE than D? Yeaaah, no wonder they come off as total schizo then. Any poor fucker probably has his life ruined in a few days. Assuming the vampires don't kill him for a masquerade breach.

>>96804993
>>96805013
>>96805079
Wait until you read about God45 lmao

>>96805072
>>96805074
Haa, okay.
Yeah, that makes more sense, through imbued hunters would be fun teachers/leaders for a party of normal hunters.
Trying to keep up with his insane requests and orders, until it finally make sense as to why he asked you to steal two tons of fertilizer...

Are all hunters in the new world of darkness imbued?

Is is just me or does anyone else have the feeling that the entire main cast of HtP will be revealed to be some flavour of supernatural being?

>>96805101
It's my fear and I hope it won't happen.
It's a guardsmen par

>>96805101
They've already ruled out Kitten being kinfolk, so no, not really.

>>96805101
>Hunters turn out to be le monsters themselves!
Yeah...I'm afraid that is a possible outcome.

"Professional hunter of monsters" sounds like something that would drive people insane even without obvious supernatural influences. Vigil hunters have the Code, which, ironically, makes those who survive past their first few hunts even less human than Vampires.

>>96805140
Is that why Hunters and Princesses frequently butt heads?

>>96803761
stealing this
thanks nerd

Reminder to all Newly Embraced Kindred!

>>96805079
> no wonder they come off as total schizo then
i am saying schizo but they can actually see things nobody can (like how people might actually be monsters) and have angels beam messanges into their head (said hunter script) that nobody can see or understand (even mages in their crossover section in their revised st book needed between 30 and 100 successes to attempt to read hunterscript) and the most damning thing is that the messangers don't care about you at all you are a pawn meant to kill something supernatural (despite not all creeds being suited for this) because the world is too full of them and your surrival in each hunt is completely optional

that being said some imbued as better off than the others based on their creed (think classes) with some like Defenders, Redeemers, Visionaries being nowhere near as violently mad as most Avengers, but they still need to take 4 derangments (mental illnesses some real some supernatural) to get to 10 dots in any Virtue stat and if you reach the extremis level of imbued (also called Second Imbuing) you will get what is left out of your mind mindraped even if you don't go Divine or Corrupt

>>96805146
>Is that why Hunters and Princesses frequently butt heads?
Troonslate from pornographic to human, please.

>>96805095
>Are all hunters in the new world of darkness imbued?
No, most are normal people. Only those working at Tier 3 (International) who are members of global conspiracies have access to magic, ad even then they're still mostly human. Hell, Taskforce Valkyrie doesn't even use supernatural gimmicks, just DARPA-made super-weapons paid for with your tax dollars.

>>96805140
Just pump your True Fatih up, it can't be wrong if God is on your side.

>>96805111
>just kinfolk
Yeah they're safe

>>96805176
Conspiracies are a mix of clearly supernatural (Lucifuge), Technocracy-adjacent mad science (Cheiron Group), and a normal human with limited access to magic (Malleus Maleficarium, Ascending Ones).

Worth noting that "regular humans" can technically have merits that give access to Numina.

>>96805169
Haa, I see. You NEED to go insane to unlock magical powers.
Man, this is awful, I feel bad for these guys. How rare is it for a hunter to get second imbuing? >>96805176 make it sound like most hunters are still normals (if having visions), and that the one who are truly, truly insane very rare.

>>96805212
No, retard. That's Reckoning. Vigil hunters are 90% normal folk, they don't get visions or anything.

>>96805146
That depends on the kind of princess, the martial ones will be fine with that kind of stuff.

>>96805234
I can't think of Princess without thinking of how the Detroit book mentioned Eminem and now I can't stop thinking of World of Darkness Eminem...

>>96805232
Wait, just to be clear. Reckoning is the new one, and Vigil is the old one, right?
Reckoning is the one where things brainwash people into killing nightmares and what else, and Vigil is the one where grandpa on the side of the road is tired of these do-no-good monsters that popped since Nastrum installed a new research facility around.

>>96805263
>Wait, just to be clear. Reckoning is the new one, and Vigil is the old one, right?
Other way around.

>>96805267
Oh for fuck sake.
Wait, so if Vigil is the one where people get imbued, then what do >>96805232 mean? Can people get imbued without having visions and all the mumbo jumbo?

>>96805263
Reckoning is old world of darkness, Vigil is new world of darkness/cofd

however hunter 5 is also called Reckoning and has nothing to do with the old Reckoning and does not even feature imbued

htp plays in owod with mixes of wod and wod5

but even in old world of darkness most hunters are not imbued and members of the arcanum which D's family used to be after all tend to be mostly normies with a hint of sorcery on some of then

>>96805263
Alright, so, WoD history lesson here:
The first edition of Reckoning was released around 2000, which is the one that focuses on the Imbued.
Vigil was released as part of the New, rebooted World of Darkness (now called Chronicles of darkness to make this shit less confusing) and focuses on normal hunters
The newest edition of Reckoning is part of the most recent released of the World of Darkness, and focuses on regular hunters instead of imbued.

>>96805294
CofD/Vigil is the one with conspiracies.
There's Reckoning, old and hopped up on angel cocaine, and Reckoning, v5. HtP is v5

>>96805299
>in old world of darkness most hunters are not imbued
But I THOUGHT THE IMBUING THING WAS EXCLUSIVE TO THE NEW HUNTER BOOK
Fuck sake, I'm getting more and more confused.

>>96805300
>old book is about imbued
>new book is about normies
...why did I get them completely mixed up, then. But I think I get it.
Reckoning appeals to me more, then. Nothing like hunters and werewolves duking it out while Pentex is winning.

>>96805325
Okay, I get it. So, in games' terms, it's very unusual for the cast of Hunter the Parenting to not have been imbued yet, and it explains why they get stomped every time there's a fight.
Man, the new/old world of darkness is complicated to follow, I keep mixing old and new books.

>>96804780
>>96804792
What’s wrong with House Tytalus?

>>96805092
>Wait until you read about God45 lmao
It's disturbing how often it happens.

>>96805347
>Reckoning appeals to me more, then.
Plebean taste. Vigil's rules are better written and it comes with "make-your-own-monster" toolkit that doesn't need to pull in from the player splats.

>>96805350
>” House Tytalus is basically the world's worst family. They love arguing, fighting, and conflict, and hate fun. They are known for literally falling in love with their worst enemies, being terrible foster parents, and killing a lot of people. They also get access to special summoning and healing magic, although the latter turns you into a leper.”

>>96805372
Sorry mate, but I'm an Imperial Guard fan. All you need is fortifications and enough firepower to make any monster kneel.
And molotovs.

>>96805347
>But I THOUGHT THE IMBUING THING WAS EXCLUSIVE TO THE NEW HUNTER BOOK
that's because they called the new hunter book hunter the Reckoning for brand recognition (htr was suprisngly big back then) but features nothing about hunter the Reckoning

you fell for the trap of paradox being actively disingenuous with it's book titles and i don't blame you

>>96805350
your master is trying to kill you as a apprentice to the point where the the survival rate is one in six and most members who surrive are because of this arrogant backstabbing assholes

>>96805347
>very unusual
Close but it's rarer to have a full imbued party, iirc. One being imbued is more typical for v5 Reckoning. Imbued are suppose to be rare and eccentric.

>>96805385
>htr was suprisngly big back then
First time I hear this.

>>96805347
>Man, the new/old world of darkness is complicated to follow, I keep mixing old and new books.
Are you legitimately retarded? It's easiest thing imaginable. Timeline:
Old WoD, Hunter: The Reckoning (one with Imbued)
New WoD aka CofD, Hunter: The Vigil a.k.a the best take on Hunters as a concept within WoD
Paracuck v5 "WoD": here's where it gets confused, because the game is called Hunter: The Reckoning, however, there's no Imbued and thematically it is 1/3 of the Vigil with extra poz sauce.

>>96805402
mods, kill this hostile fuckface

>>96805385
This kind of shit is why I hate Paradox. And also because they ruined Stellaris. And they abandoned Sengoku.
Fuck you Paracuck.

>>96805387
>Imbued are suppose to be rare and eccentric.
Ooh, okay. So I CAN have my party of normal people led around by a very insane imbued whose plans don't make sense at first.
>"isn't it just hunter-"
I meant more like that book I read once, Good Omens, where the witch hunter general and his apprentice witch hunter are just a very insane guy and his lost sidekick.

>>96805402
Wait, there's a third WoD? The "v5" one?
For FUCK SAKE.

>>96805405
Okay, I'm going to rape you now.

>>96805250
I don't remember enough about slim shady to see where he would fit in WoD.

>>96805410
>And also because they ruined Stellaris.
Never played it myself so you'll have to elaborate.

>>96805382
>All you need is fortifications and enough firepower to make any monster kneel.
Fortifications? Firepower? You're basically playing as a terrorist in both versions of Hunter, with the Vigil you have the option of playing as a government- or a church- backed terrorist. Best you can do is a car bomb and a black market Kalashnikov. Fortunately, for the modern wimpy vampires it's usually more than enough... problems begin when you run into something bigger.

>>96805410
>Wait, there's a third WoD? The "v5" one?
B8 used to be believable.

>>96805410
originally paradox claimed that v5 was a continuation of vtm but because they did so many lore changes they overtime had to admit that it a soft reboot and then werewolf 5 and hunter 5 been full on reboots that used the name of old wod games

if you see a 5 anywhere it's paradox's own setting

>>96805414
*unzips dick* You’re not ready for this rape battle, Sonny Jim…

>>96805422
Not much to say. Space game, was hyped for it, it came out, and at release it was already mid since you spend a lot of time just waiting and the main appeal is creating custom empires.
Then they fucked it up even more, removed the different ways to travel space, made embassies lol random instead of gaining relation over time, rebalanced the game around competitive multiplayer, and then the DLCs started. I played it a few hours at launch and it was so mind-killingly BORING that I never replayed it.

>>96805436
Oh, okay. So Paradox trying to cash in by deceiving me into thinking it's good stuff when it's their fanfic.
Kinda dickish move to be hones.

>>96805427
>Best you can do is a car bomb and a black market Kalashnikov
And claymores and mines and whatever hury-rigged explosives, no?
>problems begin when you run into something bigger
What the fuck is bigger than a vampire

>>96805427
Safe Places and Contacts(Criminal) are valuable to most hunter games longer than 6~ sessions.

>>96805250
>>96805417
What splat is he?

>>96805460
>bigger than a vampire
Slashers, depends. Werewolves. Technocracy kill squads. Nephandi. Gentry.

>>96805477
Ha, right. I forgot these exist.

>>96805490
>Nephandi. Gentry
Mummies and faes?
Only other book than the vampire one I read was the Changeling Lost one, and fuck sake, it was depressing. I barely remember it now, but I remember being depressed.

>>96805460
>What the fuck is bigger than a vampire
Woofs are a lot bigger, both physically and spiritually.
Older vampires might be clever enough to not get into a situation where you can draw a bead on them with your trusty AK-74 before they can get their vampire magic up and running.
Some mage summoned a demon and it ate him, now it is your problem.
Some abomination that defies description because your GM was too cheap to buy Call of Cthulhu.

>>96805460
>What the fuck is bigger than a vampire
most were-creatures, mummies, most demons, some but not all banes (evil entropy spirits), mages and of course just older vampires than the ones you messed with before

>>96805468
Fuck if I know, so Mage.

>>96805502
Nephandi are "demon" mages that are classing as evil wizards. So they have only a sense of wrong.
Good on you for reading CtL, cause yes. Gentry are bigger, meaner, and more depressing to fight against as a hunter.

>>96805436
>Werewolf 5 still has retarded furries
>They just aren't problematic rapists/abusers of family
>But they're still angry retards responsible for everything going wrong
>The nords are all racist btw
>But the former femcels are now liberal good guys
I dread v5 continuations of other splats

>>96805509
Oh, right, I forgot demons are a thing in World of Darkness, too. One day I'll read their book to see if they're as bad as D&D's demons.

>>96805513
There are other weremonsters that aren't woofs?
>spiritually bigger
Oh no they're gonna pray at me.

>>96805529
My understanding of mages is that they're glass cannons. You can punch them, but don't let them see you.
>gentry are bigger than the changelings
Okay now I'm scared.

>>96805546
>I forgot demons are a thing in World of Darkness
To make it worse, there is more than one kind of demon. Playable ones are relatively mild. There are some that are not so nice.

>>96805529
>>96805490
Nephandi start off as ordinary mages but they invert their avatars to be ontologically evil. They have to enter a "caul" which must be done voluntarily. It's not explained what happens in there but it takes a lot of subjective time and is implied to be horrific demon shit beyond comprehension. If you survive you come out as a nephandi with an avatar that is oriented toward descension instead of ascension.

There can be regular mages that are evil, but nephandi literally cannot be good. They are ontologically evil on a fundamentally level. All other factions of mages kill nephandi on sight.

>>96805546
>now I'm scared
As you should be. In the context of changelings, the Gentry are the things that took the person that became the changeling. You know the master of the realm the changeling escapes from to get back to earth. Those beings.
So good luck fighting them as a hunter.

>>96805546
>Oh, right, I forgot demons are a thing in World of Darkness, too. One day I'll read their book to see if they're as bad as D&D's demons.
you are in for a ride when you get to infernalism because they are like 4-5 unrelated demonkinds that can do different thing and grant people different boons but anti demon stuff works on all of them and a very smart and Resourceful infernalist can mix their boons and play them against each other to some degree
>There are other weremonsters that aren't woofs?
yes they are called fera some of which are just beyond broken rules wise like were crocs that could turn into honest to god godzilla or were spiders with like 30 attacks a turn
>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Fera
or at least they been before w20 i heard they nerved some of them

>>96805546
I think nephandi demons are different from Demon demons, pretty sure at least. As for shape shifters other than wolves, yeah there's a lot of them but they're very rare because retarded dogs decided to genocide everyone else.
>Spiritually bigger
More like they shoot lightning at you because they actually talk to lightning spirits unlike others who larp
>Mages are glass cannons
Glass cannon is the name of the game actually, catch something unaware with a weakness before they can heal and any splat can get one turned, not every wolf is in warform 24/7 and vampires are still weak to the sun/stake to the heart. Mages are just humans who can bend reality, which can make them supernaturally tough but usually that won't be the case

>>96805509
>>96805513
Keep in mind even young vampires aren't to be trifled with. If you're not careful even a neonate is liable to, in alphabetical order:
>Summon a swarm of rats and pigeons to bite you to death, when not something bigger and meaner
>Read your mind and anticipate what you're gonna do before killing you with keikaku
>Rush you while dodging all your bullets and stabbing you to death before you can react
>Convince you to kill your friends with only a moment of eye contact
> Tank dozens of bullets and a speeding car to the face before they get their hands on your neck
>Disappear from plain sighy and pick you and your buddies one by one withouy you being able to do anything about it
>Punch your head right off your shoulders and bludgeon your fellow hunters to death with your headless body
>Make you fall in love with them until you can't raise a hand in your defense and kill your friends at their command
I'm not even getting into Disciplines specific to Clans or Bloodlines, or blood sorcery bullshit.

>>96803229
>Therese
Tourette*

>>96805546
Mages have to worry about their spells giving them backlash if they use them willy-nilly. It's Batman rules. Don't give them prep-time. Changelings are much more complicated. In Changeling the Dreaming (WoD), they're a laughable cakewalk unless they really, REALLY have it out for you. In Changeling the Lost (CoD), Changelings have a lot of ways to fuck hunters over, and even they struggle against a real True Fae. There are many, many different kind of demons, don't ask.

>>96805597
>neonate who is about to get caught in a social setting offers to shake hands
>He's a tzimisce
>Get warped into a face with legs
The life of a normal hunter must suck

>>96805597
Sounds impressive, but Imbued have flat immunity to supernatural mind control as long as they have Second Sight active, and in Vigil it will be down to rolls, much like combat. But the safest way to deal with the leeches in both editions is indeed to torch the place they're sleeping in during the day rather than trying to beat them in direct combat, although latter is not impossible.

>>96805558
As bloody always. If I know the werewolf lore right, the werewolf that you're likely to play, the friendly ones like the Glass Muncher or the Bone Snappers are extremely weak compared to the Black Dancers.

>>96805570
Ha. The True Faes.
Aren't they literally impossible to kill unless they're fully in the material world? I vaguely remember something about them being undefeatable in their own domains, being slightly weakened when in the Hedge, and being vulnerable only when in the real world.
And doing everything they can to avoid coming in the real world by hiring their own huntsmen.

I think I did my best to forget everything I read in that book because it was just so horrible. The only escape was death: even if the fae stopped hunting you, you had no way of knowing that and you'd be looking over your shoulder for the rest of your life. And it change its mind too and decide it wants you back in the end.

>>96805577
Sounds like the Demon book isn't about playing a demon but summoning demons and play politics with them.
...I like the concept. Are demons the same between the two Worlds of Darkness?

>>96805587
>Glass cannon is the name of the game actually
True, true. The introduction to the world of darkness video make it clear: even an elder vampire won't really survive three blokes with shotguns.
>more like they shoot lightning at you because they actually talk to lightning spirits
Oh shit. Yeah, that sounds bad. Remind me again what keeps the werewolves from kicking down Pentex's door to kill everyone and save the world?

>>96805606
Sounds like anyone can die to a shotgun blast, but mages have it worse than everyone if they're caught on the crapper with their pants down.

>>96805468
>>96805520
It's fun for me just to cast a SPELL
Plus we're fightin demons from HELL

>>96805667
black spiral*
my bad

>>96805667
>Remind me again what keeps the werewolves from kicking down Pentex's door to kill everyone and save the world?
Pentex have
A: Superpowered grunts
B: Black Spiral Dancer allies (Black Spiral Dancers aren't actually that much more powerful than normal werewolves, they just have negative morals and permanent insanity)
C: Wizards give them money for those sweet sweet profit margins

Werewolves have
A: Anger issues
B: They're territorial as hell, especially to OTHER WEREWOLVES
C: "IS THAT A SPIDER?! TOKEN PACK METIS, HELP ME, I'M GOING INSAAANNNE!"

>>96804643
I like portraying my technocrats as fashy hustler types all about the grind

>>96805667
>what keeps the werewolves from kicking down Pentex's door
Each other because they only know how to rage. Also you know Pentex having fomori and bad spirits of their own, alongside black spiral dancers and being the most apt depiction of a hydra outside of actual hydras.
It's a laundry list of things that stand up to
>muthafucka gets zapped

>>96805667
>Sounds like the Demon book isn't about playing a demon but summoning demons and play politics with them.

demon the fallen is about playing a low raking fallen angel who just got out of the abyss for the first time in human history. Most infernalist options are scatters across several books in different splat lines like the dark age vampire companion or devil's due (which is the dark age demon book, but half the book is about being a infernalist who deals with these demons) or path of screams for sorcerer crusade and more
>...I like the concept. Are demons the same between the two Worlds of Darkness?
no-ish demon the descent are more like mecha angels drones who hide among humanity after they gained freewill by glitching but more classical demons exist in cofd in the book "inferno" and there is a demon translation guide and with those together you can easily play owod demon in nwod/cofd

>>96805715
>Wizards give them money

I thought that The Syndicate had no idea where that money was coming from or going to, and it terrified them because they're the Money Mages.

>>96805722
>t.syndicate

>>96805436
>owod
>nwod
>5
Why did they reboot the setting again?

>>96805715
>C: "IS THAT A SPIDER?! TOKEN PACK METIS, HELP ME, I'M GOING INSAAANNNE!"

>>96805667
>Demon book isn't about playing demons
You're playing more a biblical demon soul fragment that made its way to a mortal body and you regret your role in the current state of the world but frankly, the lore of Demon is even more schizophrenic than previous books
>What keeps werewolves from kicking down Pentex doors
Many things, for one there are relatively few wolves because not every child they make will be a werewolf, and they have been suffering from population loss because of tard rage making them fight their way to death unprompted, or infighting which happens often, or simply dying to Pentex initiatives. Vampire is funnily enough one of the lowest power starter settings in the series cause it makes other supernatural seem like they can kick your shit in and then you read their book and it's like
>Pentex commands and shoves entropy spirits into people to turn them into abominations that take multi-garou packs to hunt
Fomori and Banes are varied in power and some are genuinely enough to destroy an entire ecosystem, so that's what wolves are fighting against when they fight Pentex. Also the tanks, the helicopters, artillery, mechas, spirit mechas, laser guns, and BSD. Woofs have it pretty bad, there's almost no way to win without unifying

>>96805546
>demons
>>96805715
>wizards
Repeat after me, other game lines are NOT canon! Mage and Demon have absolutely no bearing on Werewolf and vice-versa.

>>96805736
The Syndicate and a lot of corporations willingly work with the technocracy, I can only imagine CEOs at some point have to just *know* the mysterious financier is a wizard

>>96805773
They're canon at MY table. And that's enough for me.

>>96805773
Pentex has literal mages in its pocket though, there's a lot of intersection even if you consider only the splatbook and supplements

>>96805785
Not to mention Enzo Giovanni.

>>96805779
I'm glad you're playing cofd instead of wod. It's too bad they never tried coming up with a metaplot for it, I can see some potential with the god machine.

>>96805796
For me it's the WoD monster mash.
Yummy reality soup.

>>96805776
Oh I know that there are corporations that work with The Syndicate and they run others.

I just remember reading something at some point that Pentex has some sort of ties with The Syndicate but The Syndicate literally has no idea where it comes from and where it's going, and if they did, it's lost in the mountains of paperwork.

How much of a threat would a Slasher be in WoD? I don't know anything about Chronicles.

>>96805773
>Repeat after me, other game lines are NOT canon! Mage and Demon have absolutely no bearing on Werewolf and vice-versa.
There are literally official books that deal with cross-splat stuff.
Like https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Midnight_Circus

>>96805785
There may be "mages" in Werewolf and there may be "werewolves" in Mage but they're not the same people.
>>96805815
What ruleset did you switch to to equalize powerlevels?

>>96805502
Against the Gentry there can be no real victory. Vigils books make it clear to only go after the Fae if you have a deathwish (there isn't even any organisation that specializes in Fae stuff). They are, afterall, living realities with absolute power within themselves and their identity (or Titles).
Anyone can fight them. All you need to harm them is their Banes or Cold Iron (not steel, steel isn't iron). But a slain Gentry simply loses the title it manifestet as when it was killed, it's essence either goes into one of its other titles or back to the Wyrd to haggle for a new one (1e) or turn it's True Name into it's Title, being undone when they lose that one as well (2e)

Problem with that just is, well, the Gentry are their Titles, and even if a Title is wrestled from them and claimed for humanity or made into a Token (magical fae artifact anyone can use if they know how), that Title still is the "dead" Gentry. Like the One Ring it might take over you and return from being undone. Although, if you manage to kill a Gentry and claim the Title you will be able to sell it to other Gentry for practicaly any price.

Their magic is bullshit though and if the ST uses CtL rules it will hardly be a fight unless you rock up in handmade iron armor. Gentry are scary fuckers. Fun villains, but very scary.

>>96805832
Depends on the ST. Slasher's are made up monsters for Vigil so they run the gamut. I'd have to read the thing again but if there's something that could be a cross between Fera and Mage it'd probably be the most material threat.

>>96805844
Yes they aren't literally the same but they're close enough to what they represent in the original that
>Werewolves in Mage are crazed ecoterrorists who exist to heckle corporations and muh nature, are tanky af and weak to silver (spirit shit being inconsistent not withstanding)
>Mages in Werewolf are irresponsible reality warpers with too much power who are dickish, inconsiderate of others, infight constantly, and are there to make your life harder by experimenting on Garou or making deals with Pentex
Yeah the exact cosmology is different depending on the gameline but they're actual splats pretty much do not change with the exception of stuff like Garou tribe not mattering in other games and Mage traditions not mattering in other games

>>96805849
I suppose as with Fae in most media, the safest way to deal with them is either trickery or just not dealing with them at all to begin with
>Have to handmake cold iron armor and weapons for a fighting chance
>bitch decides to superheat the local atmosphere anyway
I figure even trying to square up to one in their area is going to get you killed before even walking up

>>96805577
>just beyond broken rules wise like were crocs that could turn into honest to god godzilla

The most broken thing about Mokole is that that the Archid traits for size still don't capture the full mechanical weight of it.

>or were spiders with like 30 attacks a turn

If they were Rank 6 and burned through 30 blood at once, perhaps, but they'd be taking a +3 difficulty penalty on every action after the lower of their Dex or Wits, making it not really worth it because of the likelihood of botching. You also can't split your normal actions if you're using Rage or blood to take extra ones.

Also, W20 made most Fera more powerful overall.

>>96805715
>Wizards give them money for those sweet sweet profit margins
Fucking wizards. NO SENSE OF RIGHT OR WRONG!!
>They're territorial as hell, especially to OTHER WEREWOLVES
...hah. Fucking idiots can't get along.

>>96805729
What exactly are Fomoris and Banes? What was Bennings?
>being the most apt depiction of a hydra outside of actual hydras
Fucking Alpha Legion.

>>96805735
>demon the descent are more like mecha angels drones who hide among humanity after they gained freewill by glitching
Yeah that sounds really boring.

>>96805849
Isn't there some method where you can trick them into being human, which basically makes them lose their status as Gentry? I seem to recall something about that.

>>96805898
might not even be killed depending on their giggles.
Could be something like
>hunter makes talk in their vicinity
>end credits immediately start playing to the Player

>>96805836
Those are all highly optional monster mashes. And none of them deal with cross-splat stuff well, especially if they're using Vampire's incredibly ridiculous "compare everything to Discipline level" stupidity.

>>96805881
>pretty much do not change
>except the stuff that's a big change
Come on. There's an interesting story to tell with a "housebroken" glass walker who sides with the mentality of the technocrats versus a "mangy" silver fang who finds common cause with the council but none of the former prestige, but that's not how it's designed.

>>96805911
>What are Fomoris and Banes
Banes are supernatural entropy spirits that come from the Wyrm, essentially the SUPER destruction and death spirit that represents a third of the Triat, the other being the Wyld which has Gaian spirits that the Werewolves help and the Weaver which is more like a stasis/shaping super spirit. Banes can possess animals and dudes to create Fomori, which are fairly threatening to werewolves depending how strong the bane is. Not all banes and spirits are created equal, some banes if they manifest could probably possess a dude, walk into a garou cairn, and then just slaughter all the werewolves singlehandedly

>>96805911
>Demons sound boring
Eh, it's unpopular for a few reasons. Mainly cause it came late and it's weird. It's actually pretty kino as a setting but yeah being the last gameline the worldbuilding aspects are on peak schizophrenia contradictory mode with everything else

>>96805922
The only "mash" that makes sense is Ars Magica(NOT Mage) as a prequel to Vampire's Tremeres

If you're going any further you might as well go whole hog into ExWoD

>>96805736
Low-level Syndicate mages don't know about it but the people in charge sweep it under the rug since the steady stream of money is too good to waste

>>96805934
Garou tribes, Mage traditions, and the like are pretty much to the discretion of the ST if he wants to incorporate them. There's no reason a player needs to know the tribe of the werewolf they're about to kill unless it comes up to be plot relevant or it's part of the scenario you're talking about like the housebroken Glass Walker. It's very optional to do, cool as it sounds

>>96805750
Bleh, I see. There's always a bigger fish. And the sad part is that Pentex isn't that rich, since, from the book I read, its subsidiaries are making crap. Their King beer is watery cheap garbage, their games are plastic crap with unbalanced rules, their games are... honestly pretty good, but everything else is discount trash.

>>96805849
Oh damn, it's even worse than I remember. I remember gentry dying for good if they're killed in the real world with iron, I didn't know they only lost a title.
By that logic, a fae king like Oberon who has several titles has a lot of lives as well, and he's going to come back for the one you just took from him.

>>96805898
>just not dealing with them at all to begin with
Yeaaah let's be honest that sounds like the best way to deal with anything in the world of darkness.

>>96805944
Ha, I see. Banes are spirits, Fomoris are possessed.
If they're anything like Warhammer's daemonhost, they are really, really bad news indeed.
So Bennings was a low-tier fomori, I take it?

>>96805951
I dunno, the idea of playing... essentially a sociopath trying to hide in human society? Nah, I don't like the idea.

>>96805844
W20 with some revised mixed in. It's more of a guideline rather than a ruleset of course. It's impossible to "balance" WoD.

>>96805973
>I dunno, the idea of playing... essentially a sociopath trying to hide in human society? Nah, I don't like the idea.

Anon, I have bad news about very nearly the entirety of this game...

>>96805973
>essentially a sociopath hiding in society
Well demons aren't really that. Closest would be evil counterparts and, maybe, vampires depending on your group

>>96805832
It depends on the match up, in most cases they get shut down pretty hard with mind control powers or monsters that won't die to a single surprise attack.

>>96805468
Tier 3 Hunter hyper-focused into combat merits with access to a super-scientist's arsenal.

>>96805973
Sounds like Demon is for you.

>>96805973
I'm fairly certain Bennings was just a dude in the setting. As for Demon, you aren't really playing a "sociopath" it's more like you're playing a formerly mindless war criminal trying to redeem himself and right his wrongs as best he can I think. In the setting of Demon the dudes you're playing as (The Fallen) are responsible for everything going to shit just like the Garou but unlike the Garou you actually get a chance to acknowledge it instead of sweep it under the rug and go back to pretending nothing ever happened that you were involved in

>>96806021
Veteran TF:V grunt, in other words. Probably add psyhic powers to the mix.

>>96806009
Yeah, but playing an autist pretending to have feelings? Nah, I tried watching Nightcall and the dude made me so uneasy I stopped watching after ten minutes.

>>96806026
I literally just said I didn't want to.

>>96806030
Yeah, he was, but he looked weird and constantly emitted very incapacitating smoke, so he had to be a fomori.
>more like you're playing a formerly mindless war criminal trying to redeem himself and right his wrongs as best he can I think
Oh, that actually sounds fun.

>>96806054
Yeah you said you wanted to play Demon without knowing you did

>>96805915
Yes, but that requires them to stay in the mundane world for a long time. Good luck binding them for that long. The preparations alone could take a chronicle worth of favors and preptime

>>96806054
Well, Demons aren't really "autistic" they just weren't originally human. Nightcall was a hell of a movie though, the guy was acting about as sociopathic as he could have in the best way though ultimately I feel as if the movie was aimless

>>96806066
No, I said the idea of spending an entire session trying to roleplay someone pretending to have feelings would be tedious and annoying.
I can already said roleplay would be boring and forced.
>haha yes, you are walking your dog, I am doing the same, I am walking my wife while breathing in some delicious dioxygen, hahaha

>>96806054
>>96806066
As I said before, Demon is kino it's just held back by being the weirdest of all the books in terms of worldbuilding and being late to the party. Demon is maybe one of the games that encourages you to be the most human despite your character never being a human originally

>>96806081
Demons don't really have to pretend to have feelings I'm pretty sure, either way the nanosecond they get shoved into the human meatsuit they'd have human brain responses and instincts for the most part

>>96806080
I intensely disliked Nightcall. English isn't even my native language and the dude was still acting so weird that all my red flags fired up and I assumed defensive position right away.
I'm not exagerating, ten minutes in and I ended up quitting because he just crept me out so much.

>>96806099
Maybe the real autist is you.

>>96806099
I think that's the raw aura of the authentic sociopath acting Gyllenhaal has, he's a good actor. The movie is ultimately worth a watch but yeah the man is not only unsettling he's rather cringe too, like his very blunt and poorly worded attempts to get into the chick's pants. It's a hard movie to watch but personally that makes it engaging

>>96806081
Yeah you want to play Demon because their emotions are all raw and real bro I know it's hard to contain your excitement

>>96806092
But don't all the games encourage you to be human?
Well, except the Hunter one, since you get more powers as you get more inhumane, but otherwise, it seem to be a punishment.

>>96806117
I mean, yeah, Gyllenhaal is very good as an actor. I just don't like people in general, and his performance just screams "I am unpredictable, be on your guards". So he's everything I don't like with people, he's as unpredictable as a drunkard crack-addict, while retaining enough intelligence to try to distract you before he goes for the throat.
Oh, I hated that movie so much. I watched a lot of spooky movies like Conjuring and what else, but Nightcall stays in my mind if you were to ask me what horror is.

Do mages in Awakening forbid their own from interacting with true changelings and true fae for the same reasons they forbid their own from interacting with vampires? And by forbid I mean “we’re keeping an eye on you…”.

I say this because it’s VERY easy for a mage to gain a VERY strong foothold in splat territories if their Arcana spread is suitable enough. A Fate mage would have a very easy time finding a true fae bf/gf.

>>96806141
The other games encourage you to remember being a human
Demon encourages you to become a human

>>96806153
Oh. Kinda like the one with Frankenstein's Monster? Promethean or something?

>>96806053
In the world of Wanted, which is a DC parallel universe with the serial numbers filed off, the supervillains got together and won, and took over, becoming the secret cabal ruling the world known as The Brotherhood. They also tweaked things with some kind of super device that made most people forget superpowers were real.

The MC's dad was The Killer, a supervillain who had no superpowers, but was just hyper talented at ending lives. And the MC inherited that talent, and when his dad dies, his position in The Brotherhood, which results in him getting pulled out of his shitty office job life and trained up by The Fox.

>>96806150
it's been years since i read awakening, but i vaguely remember there being a mention that ctl stuff for them is just "false acardia" which implies that it's uninteresting compared to mage acardia

>>96806141
>encourage you to be human
Ehhh it's more like remnants of humanity that spring up from time to time. Unless you're a CtD changeling then it's just a food source slash protection against Banality
>>96806157
Promethean, yeh. Their journey very much was about becoming human

>>96806153
Pretty much this yeah. Except for Werewolf and Mummy, most of the gamelines are about trying to hold on to your humanity in a world where your eyes have been opened to the supernatural. Werewolf is a bit fucked as it's mainly about stuff like community without explicitly being human, and Mummy sort of has you as like a guy who encourages other to engage in very human benign acts so that you can fight your supernatural holy war against S*t and his goons. Demon is very much about you seeking redemption through chasing the human ideal rather than hoping to maintain what remained of it in you

>>96806177
Sounds like mages seething that they can't get the real thing.
>>96806150
>fate mage find a gentry bf/gf
Lel, it'd be a fair folk finding a new toy that thinks its people. How adorable. Maybe it won't experience burnout this century.

>>96806178
I don't think I ever checked what Changeling:Dream is about. I read about the Lost, and I found it brilliant but utterly depressing, so I never checked the Dream one. I have no idea what Banality is.
And Promethean sounded nice on paper, but in facts, I wonder how you can make it interesting without it sounding like a repeat of Jojo's Bizarre Adventure with a new villain every session.

Give me a reason to hate each if the 9 mage traditions

>>96806158
That's Technocracy as fuck.

>>96806195
>mage seething that they can't get the real thing
Mages know there's no such thing as the real thing rather

>>96806150
>A Fate mage would have a very easy time finding a true fae bf/gf.
Eh, probably not so much that, but an Acanthus and a Changeling hooking up over having unique insights into the Hedge and Arcadia could easily happen.

Similar to how Thyrsus and Werewolves can find common ground.

>>96806202
Banality is a measure of an entity's ability to genocide fae based on how mundane or unimaginative something is. Like an economist could speak and then the entire town would have the fae population turn to dust. Also it measures how susceptible someone is to Fae trickery

>>96806202
>I don't think I ever checked what Changeling:Dream is about.
Dreaming is basically "what if Otherkin were actually a real thing?" You're a fae soul born in a human body that nobody but other fae can see the truth of, and have to keep yourself as Chuunibyou as possible as long as you can while the Banality of the mortal words eats away at you.

>>96806214
They're all cringe and want to enslave you so that you could be their footstool/toad spell recipient in their mega library/orgy/cult/arena/office/bank/spaceship/regular ship/commonwealth
Mages do not care much for sleepers

>>96806214
Cunts
Bitches
Assholes
Degenerates
Dicks
Cringe
Bastards
Wusses
Pussies

No, I will say which is which

>>96806202
Banality is, hmm, I guess supernatural human monotony. The boringness of adult human life is sooo draining it quite literally kills CtD changelings unless they're protected.
As for prometheans, and ST could have them being hunted by a Qashmallim for that delicious fire. They'll go to the ends of the earth for it. Or their disquiet is getting to be too much and they have to move before a mob shows up whipped up by them just existing. Promethean definitely benefits from the ST and player(s) working together

>>96806202
>>96806263
Promethean does sound rather like a JJBA plot now that I think about. Not that that's bad, not everything needs to be about raw angst

>>96806141
>Well, except the Hunter one, since you get more powers as you get more inhumane, but otherwise, it seem to be a punishment.
It's the other way around. You start as a human, but slowly (or quickly, depending on how eager you are to be a worse monster than the actual monsters) lose it. After all, killing a leech isn't murder, it is pest control. The world is a dusty closet and you are the janny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQvo7tZzECk
Dubs-tee did a pretty good job on describing moral degradation of a Hunter.

>>96806195
replace mages with dave. the whole false acardia, false hades etc is a 2e only thing born of the fact that the other writers didn't wanted him to rape the rest of the setting

vtmb2 didn't get a last minute delay wtf i can't believe it

>>96806307
That's a fantastic "Hunter" theme album.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B9BhFnr1gg

>>96806246
I don't know that otherkin is, but I know what chuunibyou is, and I think I just cringed hard enough to be heard by the whole block.

>>96806233
>>96806263
Sounds perfect to raise.

>>96806324
>I don't know that otherkin is
People who believe they're actually a fantastic creature's soul in a human body.

>>96805899
>Also, W20 made most Fera more powerful overall.
What do you think of it in general? My GM is contemplating it.

>>96805944
>the other being the Wyld which has Gaian spirits that the Werewolves help
I thought Gaian nature spirits were a completely separate thing from Wyld spirits.

>>96806324
>perfect to raise
>t.technocratic spook

>>96806334
Sounds cringe. I feel validated in my earlier loud groaning.

>>96806342
Dreams are meant to be broken.

>>96806323
"The Unforgiven" is literally a Hunter album, thou art correct. But Dubs-Tee in general are inferior even to their own clone/side project Delain. Pure assault on senses that doesn't touch imagination or intellect, and lately their sound is bland, flat, and commercialized.

>>96806282
How is Promethean anything like JJBA?

>>96806150
Mages in arcadia get turned into mad hobgoglins, their access to magic severed and tormented by Gentry.
Look up the Unmade i think it was called.

>>96806356
Wanker.

>>96806384
Faggot.

>>96806202
Banality is kind of misrepresented in these threads as an epic force of Total Fae Death, which isn't 100% accurate. The thing to understand is that CtD is a game about the power of imagination, changelings and the glamour they subsist on are born of human creativity and Banality is the metaphysical force representing anything that stifles creativity and freedom, it's the power of rigid dogma and conformity. Banality doesn't exactly "kill" changelings but contradicts their existence, a changeling who's overcome with banality doesn't die, they just realise they've been living a childish delusion and forget about their fae nature, it's possible for a changeling to reawaken but the kind of lifestyle banality leads them to makes this difficult. It's worth noting that a lot of things that are stereotypically banal might not necessarily be so, politics and economics are often cited as examples but some changelings like the sidhe of house ailil actually thrive on that sort of thing. TL;DR Banality is doomerism, the "it's so over" to a changeling's "we're so back"

>>96806412
Tin ear.

>>96806476
Cock connoisseur
And a simp

>>96806367
>various monster archetypes conduct a spiritual journey to regain humanity using various powers based on life energy
It could be a JoJo's if the characters were just human guys instead of actual monsters and the monsters were their stand or something

>>96806340
Honestly it never really occurred to me that there might be a meaningful distinction, as the Wyld is sort on a backseat in the setting between the two schizophrenics trying to end the world their own way

>>96806340
>What do you think of it in general? My GM is contemplating it.

They're mostly little things. Some streamlining, some simplified systems, a few new capacities to open things up (like how Ananasi have an analog for ghouling humans).

>>96806634
1e was extremely lax about it to the point of continuing to confuse people about it to this day, but the distinction is that Naturae have patterns that they follow and aren't constantly changing votices of whatever and don't drive beings insane by being around them for too long. Also, when a Gaian spirit is awakened within something as a counterpart to possession, that's a Kami, with no worries over Autonomy; when a Wyld spirit possesses a living being, the end result is a Gorgon, which does have to worry about Autonomy.

>>96806742
interesting, thanks. Not sure this'll ever get brought up in my games but if I ever play or ST a werewolf game i'll keep it in mind

>>96806214
>Order of Hermes
Uptight fucks who will treat you like a slave until you "prove yourself", and then they will treat you just slightly better
>Celestial Chorus
Self-righteous puritans with a savior complex when they're good, outright zealots when they're bad
>Dreamspeakers
Heyahoyah redskin cunts and we wuz kangz voodoo bullshit. "Whitey bad" mentality despite having plenty of white members, including ethnic natives like the Sami (who may as well be called the niggers of Scandinavia)
>Verbena
Pagan larpers. If you've seen Wicker Man and Midsommar you don't need any other reason to hate them
>Cult of Ecstasy
Druggies and sluts
>Euthanatos
Literal fucking serial killers
>Akashic Brotherhood
Chinkchonkpingpong kung fu fighting nonsense. Gun beats fist, you karate chopping fuck
>Sons of Ether
Academic infighting all the time. Stupid faggy heroic bullshit. Also somehow that coexists with literal mad scientists
>Virtual Adepts
IT Neckbeards pretending to be Neo in their Tron MMO dimension. They're the funk pop collectors of the traditions
>Hollow Ones
Emo faggots
>Crafts
Traditions but with less white people and even less competent. What did the authors mean by this?

>>96805667
>Oh shit. Yeah, that sounds bad. Remind me again what keeps the werewolves from kicking down Pentex's door to kill everyone and save the world?
Pentex is a global megacorp. it's on every continent, has accest to both mundane and supernatural weapons and troops. If they're not sending demons after you they could lobby the government to defend them from evil terrorists with the full might of the state. If things get really bad they could (in cross-splat theory) give their partners at the Syndicate a call. Fighting Pentex is one thing but fighting them, the government and the fucking technocracy will result in TWD.

>>96804780
For Gaia's sake, being a Bone Gnawer isn't that bad...

>>96806818
Except it's impossible to use WMD. World or Darkness or not, there are still political consequences, and not even Pentex can get away with detonating a nuke.
Not to mention that other supernatural entities would notice it.

>>96806824
Yes it is, now get back in your cardboard box mutt.

>>96806818
No, you're channeling Shadowrun too much. Pentex is a holding company. A shell. Devastating its assets requires a large-scale action against its subsidiaries, simultaneously.

tl;dr you have to kick down lots and lots of doors all at once.

What are some cool vampire story ideas for a Halloween oneshot?

>>96806903
So nothing less than the simultaneous murder of every single Pentex executive, huh?

>>96806342
Well, off to magic guantanamo bay with you, citizen

>>96806920
Independent Ghoul Slasher who wants to drain YOUR blood.

>>96806859
You're right about using nukes, a bit of unnecessary when regular bombs get the job done.
>Not to mention that other supernatural entities would notice it.
Tha might work in their favour when you remember just how much Vampires hate werewolfs. The Technocracy waking up and telling the Syndicate to cut ties with Pentex would also hurt them.

>>96806929
They'll get replaced but some other comically evil dude normal or possesed. At best you can try to keep Pentex somewhat containd since open warfare would hurt woofs more than pentex.

>>96806824
They're hobos with immunity to casual violence, natural infection, and the elements. The life isn't for everybody.

>>96807020
Control paying a visit to the syndicate and then deciding on an audit is probably an apocalyptic scenario for them.

>>96806824
Counter point
You are poor
You cannot have money or a house unless you really, really struggle for it. Like, the default W5 experience where you are both a wagie AND a soldier is what it's like for Bone Gnawers who want to escape their ancestral poverty.

>>96806920
fresh licks trying to organize a halloween frat party to get some neck, potential masquerade breach and all that

>guy so fucking ugly that after he got embraced by a nosferatu it improved his looks
thoughts

>>96806720
Can you take your selfie with a bigger camera, please? Or is it pornography for ants?

>>96807059
>They're hobos with immunity to casual violence, natural infection, and the elements
So, zero actual downsides to being a hobo. Sounds amazing.

>>96807142
Snap judgment would be he had been hikki until the embrace forced him to socialize more on pain of death, but I don't gotta challenge anybody's delusions out loud.

>>96807183
>immunity to the elements
Not quite as of w5, being out in the cold without protection is still liable to mess you up

>>96807234
>mystically empowered superhuman protectors of nature capable of becoming 500-pound 12 ft tall killing machines die of the common cold if they don't bring their mommy's jacket with them
Beyond parody.

>>96807295
They're essentially normal dudes outside of their hybrid forms and even then they have a sort of pseudo-masquerade they have to keep up

>>96807234
>w5
All WoD5 books are an unholy abomination. Paracucks is real world Pen\tex.

>>96806054
Lou Bloom is literally me.

>>96806202
A C20 author on leddit posted about this, but, >C20
>Changeling: the Dreaming is a metaphor for being neurodivergent. You exist outside the bounds of normality but you're still restrained by it and have to kind of bridge that gap, when the rest of the world would prefer you just shut up, because all they see is a stupid delusional child.

>>96807554
>be autistic irl
>play Changeling
>no difference

>>96806342
You WILL watch TV, you WILL work a 9 to 5, you WILL consume and you WILL trust the science.

>>96807676
>9 to 5
...for your first job. Don't forget your second job and your side hustles though!

>>96807704
Of course, what's life without work?

>>96807770
Joy

>>96807770
>pisses off The Progenitors by starting Alternative Medicine-themed MLM schemes.

>>96807780
HIT mark, destroy this reality deviant

I read an interesting post on Reddit (I know) that posited the idea that "Parallel Universes" and the popularity of Multiverse theory and media are just The Technocracy's way of discrediting The Umbra.

>>96807926
Okay, I'm going to rape you now.

>>96807983
furry hands typed this post

>>96807926
Why can't WoD have multiverses on top of the umbra? I think there some archmage stuff that goes into that.

>>96808068
It's the only way.

>>96808096
Multiverse faggotry is cancerous, that's why.

>>96804780
>if you kill yourself you become a wraith
Heh, that was my plan all along.

>>96807926
>Parallel Universes and Multiverse
Yes, these would fall under the purview of Society of Ether

>the popularity of Multiverse theory and media are just The Technocracy's way of discrediting The Umbra
Close. It’s actually the Syndicate’s Media Control division producing slop for the Sleepers to CONSOOM. It moving the concept to the realm of science-fiction for the Consensus is just a happy little accident.

>>96808225
>Society of Ether
*Sons of Ether

>>96805844
>There may be "mages" in Werewolf and there may be "werewolves" in Mage but they're not the same people
Werewolf mentions Mage factions by name and how they have conjoined history. Werewolf very much operates under "all the other splats are real and happen how their books say they do".

>>96808274
Some of us get laid, Dr. Getsnobitchez.

>>96808079
The Nos' have breached containment again, somebody call the prince

>>96807554
More proof C20 was made by IRL Autumn People

>>96808333
That's the nicest Warren I've ever seen.

Vampbros...it's literally over

Buy it, use it, break it, fix it, trash it, change it, mail, upgrade it
Charge it, point it, zoom it, press it, snap it, work it, quick, erase it
Write it, cut it, paste it, save it, load it, check it, quick, rewrite it
Plug it, play it, burn it, rip it, drag it, drop it, zip, unzip it
Lock it, fill it, call it, find it, view it, code it, jam, unlock it
Surf it, scroll it, pause it, click it, cross it, crack it, switch, update it
Name it, read it, tune it, print it, scan it, send it, fax, rename it
Touch it, bring it, pay it, watch it, turn it, leave it, stop, format it
Technologic
Technologic
Technologic
Technologic

>>96808391
It was in development hell for a decade and went through like three different developers before settling on one that was known for Walking Simulators. I'm not at all surprised.

>>96808391
Sounds like we're back. It really is two decades away

>>96808391
Boring as fuck, I tried watching a gameplay and couldn't pay attention for more than 10 minutes.

>>96808391
Did this end up being true?

>This is who Banality want to get rid of
Why are Autumn People such homosexuals?

>>96808391
Morbid curiosity. How hard does it adhere to the LARP fundamentals version of VtM?

>>96808391
>Make a sequel for an RPG beloved for its writing
>Butcher the writing for the sequel
Why do companies have a hard time accepting what people actually want? Paradox fumbled literally the only reason they bought the WoD IP for.

>>96807093
Counter counter point. Bone Gnawers choose to be poor. A werewolf can easily murder a household and live in that, if they actually wanted to be a part of human society they can and would excel, just look at Glass Walkers who have no explanation for why they can easily live within human society other than they just want to. Unless their kinfolk have Resources 5 and they just freeload off of them, most Garou are making money as hitmen and hired muscle anyway.

>>96808330
If by "getting laid" you mean fucking Prof. Frankentranny, then I'm sure you do it every night.
But some of us respect our tradition and oppose the ridiculous notion of changing our proud name.

>>96808447
In time we'll give the sleepers their perfect vat-grown wives, no need for reality deviants

>>96808447
>name crossed out and pronouns
I'd cum inside this thing unprotected, tranny or not.

>>96808571
If you have eyes, you can make out that the crossed-out name is Magnolia, implying this Satyr prefers the informal name of Maggie. This also implies she’s easy.

>>96808609
>This implies a Satyr is easy
And water is wet.

>>96805849
>(there isn't even any organisation that specializes in Fae stuff)
There really should be though.

>>96808609
>Magnolia
>Magnol
>Magn
>Man
I have eyes, do you?

Why is the Daeva clan curse so awful??

>>96808721
They are Indian exclusively, I think.

>>96806081
>breathing in some delicious dioxygen, hahaha
He's just like me!

>>96807676
I trust the science (when it's actual science and not just a decision by consensus (read: big money/jews) ), but I'd an hero before voluntarily watching a TV or marrying.

>>96808430
It's mostly true, it has character creation though

>>96808623
I like the idea of basing it in the old "Autistic Children are Changelings" idea and have it where its front is a parent group dedicated to discussion and care for families and the mentally ill, and then they use their information to track down and hunt fae

Or like a coalition of mental healthcare workers who had run-ins with Fae patients.

>>96808430
>No character creation
There's plenty of character customisation.
>No weapons
Phyre can cause weapons of fallen enemies to levitate and use them that way. No hand-wielding any sort of weapon though.
>The rest
Correct, those are all absent from the game.

>>96808772
That already exists anon, it's in C20.

>>96808623
>There really should be though.
Changeling splat always seems like it's doing their own things in their gay dimension of homosexuality, and they don't do many things that would ping hunters as obvious supernatural disturbance.

>newfag
>see 23 euro offer for 57 v5 books
V5 can't be that bad r-right

>>96808808
Man that shit reminds of Glenkildove
>Play as a fresh from traumatic experience huntard
>one of your friends is getting magic'd away by Fae
>everyone forgets her but you and there's nothing you can really do about it but get mad and go crazy
Fae deserve thermonuclear hellfire just for being cunts frankly but good luck convincing any hunter that fae are real

>>96808826
It's actually worse than you think

>>96808623
Aside from the fact that Changelings mainly protect humanity from the Gentry, mortals looking too deep into fae stuff draws the attention of the Gentry and usually results in them becoming Changelings if they're lucky.

So, essentially, the various Freeholds act as the Hunter Compacts and Conspiracies in their place.

>>96808477
People still bought it and that's what they care about

>>96808826
Dog water. V20 is infinity times better.

okay but what did V5 DID do right? surely there was something good in there...

>>96809047
>okay but what did V5 DID do right
Homosexuality

>>96809053
i said good

>>96809047
Doesn't it have a really good like, humanity/blood thirst system?

>>96808623
I guess the Technocracy counts with their goal of eliminating any supernatural that isn't them

>>96809053
>muslim and gay AND a vampire
This guy could not pick a lane

>>96809053
>least mentally ill gangrene

>>96809053
You people are faggots for giving a shit that he's a black, gay, muslim. The actual sin is he's a boring as shit character. He's forming an Anarch coalition to war against the Camarilla, which is already a lame plot point, but then you read the fiction and all that happens is he listens to various complaints in townhall style meetings.

>>96809068
The Technocracy doesn't exist in Changeling: the Lost. And in the Old World of Darkness, the fae haven't been a threat since the Dark Ages.

>>96809047
Hunger, resonance, and maybe humanity

>>96808828
>Fae deserve thermonuclear hellfire just for being cunts
No, a slow death by attrition is a much better punishment. Drown them in Banality, let them all starve.

>>96809127
NTA but I've noticed a lot of people mixing up OWoD and CofD lately, must be a big influx of newfags from the latest Hunter: The Parenting ep

>>96808391
Fuck me, the main intrigue is so lame and the main villain is so pathetic I feel like this game is just wasting my time.

>>96808623
The Changeling Freeholds in CtL are already the anti-fae task force. The one thing they all agree on is the Gentry can't be allowed to rampage across Earth freely and they'll all die to stop it. Mortals can become ensorcelled by Changelings and brought into the anti-fae task force, but their ability to resist the Gentry is highly limited other than using cold iron weapons. Cold iron is not the end-all be-all of the problem however, as anyone holding it is barred from entering Arcadia and Hobgoblins will mass-assault anyone found with it in the Hedge.
As for Changeling the Dreaming, they really just do their own thing and don't represent anywhere near the level of threat to humanity that the other splats of OWoD do. CtD fae are generally beneficial to human life since they spread joy and wonder wherever they go, although Unseelie fucking shits can all burn at the stake for Ravaging Dreamers with zero regrets for their actions. But there's no "Gentry" in CtD, all the serious apocalyptic level threats were successfully dealt with in the time before history and are sealed away deep in the Dreaming. The Kithain (fae society) are still making sure none of the Fomorians and Thallain can break loose and start tearing shit up again. So hunting the Kithain (other than Ravagers and cannibals, who are already hunted by the Kithain to begin with on penalty of death for their crimes) is just generally bad for Earth since if the Kithain are ever wiped out, no one will stand in the way of the return of the Fomorians and Thallain.

>>96809143
Changeling: the Lost fae aren't subject to banality.

Can someone explain how video games are considered a source of banality? Wouldn’t it be the opposite?

>>96809047
The resonance gimmick was an interesting thing that went nowhere as far as I know. The lore sheets are good plot hooks but require a lot of ST preparation to properly integrate most of the time.

>>96809242
You ever seen what modern paracucks are up to? Or any other big GAYme studio?

>>96809239
>Unseelie fucking shits can all burn at the stake for Ravaging Dreamers
That's all changelings. They change from Seelie to Unseelie every other mooncycle, regardless of what court they're in.

>>96809242
99% of people who play video games aren't encountering new ideas, they're just mindlessly pressing buttons on FIFA or Call of Shitty. The kinds of experiences of video games that would actually cause people to have new thoughts and experience interesting fantasies, feel interesting emotions and generate Glamour, are the minority of video games. Or they play mobile phone garbage like Candy Crush and their brain just degenerates into mobile gamer mush.
You can always come up with exceptions to every rule about Banality, even something like filling out tax forms can technically cause one to have an interesting emotional or imaginatory epiphany. The books are just emphasizing the 'norm' of how most media affects human brains.

>>96809242
4x games anon. Crpgs. Anything that gives metafucks their poison

>>96809269
Court shifting is not nearly as common as you seem to think it is. Most fae never swap from Seelie to Unseelie or vice versa in their entire lives.

Trying to catch up with 5e, are there still any supernatural hunters? I've heard that they're all mundane now, just people with a plan and a gun which I'm not opposed to, but will kind of miss the variety some mundane magical abilities could add.

Also, old lore question: where did mummies and demons fit in with the power scaling of pre-5e oWoD?

>>96804780
As someone who's not into furries, what's so bad about being one? Outside of your IQ dropping bellow 85 that it.

>>96809294
I said nothing about court shifting. You can be an Unseelie fae and in the Seelie court. There's a reason why both Legacies are on your character sheet, dipshit.

>>96809319
Supposedly there's extra options that aren't just straight up imbuement. Like being a ghoul. In theory kinfolk should be possible with WtA. Hedge magic, I'd imagine is also possible but Mage5 is up in the air

>>96809319
You can still put points into True Faith as far as I know, that's a form of magic.

>>96807554
This is the worst imaginable description of what CtD is about I have ever seen in my fucking life. Leave it to leddit to agenda-rape something as wholesome as the movies Hook and Labyrinth into some kind of self-fellating mental illness propaganda

>>96809390
>>96809390
>>96809390

>>96806150
>Do mages in Awakening forbid their own from interacting with true changelings and true fae for the same reasons they forbid their own from interacting with vampires?
It's because all the mages who try to reach Changeling Arcadia lose their souls to the Thorns, which includes their magic, and are reduced to soulless abominations wandering the Hedge for eternity searching for other mages whose magic they can steal for themselves. Despite all the warnings that Changelings and wiser mages try to spread throughout the mage community, there's always some motherfucker tryna ice skate uphill.
However, mages do get one nice thing regarding the Hedge which is that they're the only ones who can actually teleport out of it using their Arcana rather than needing to find a gateway to get out. Unless they get tricked by an illusion or supernaturally soul-trapped first.

>>96809337
Anon, your political affliation has nothing to do with it. A changeling is not both an Unseelie and a Seelie fae at the same time. You can only possess one nature in dominance or the other at any given moment, and while you can shift between them, it is not done frequently nor is it common for fae to do so. Most changelings stay Seelie or Unseelie, whichever they started as, for their entire lives.

>>96809269
>They change from Seelie to Unseelie every other mooncycle, regardless of what court they're in.
Where the fuck did you get this idea from? lmao, you haven't even touched CtD once in your life

>>96808447
>str 1, sta 5
easy to pin down, impossible to wear out

>>96807020
It'd be an interesting scenario, though. The entire pack wipe, but everyone waking up and paying attention to Pentex.

>>96809548
>Getting both woofs and pentex
A win for everyone else

>>96804780
I'm going with Malk.

>>96808305
>magefag starts seething and sweating
How unexpected

>>96808391
I remember the copium in this general when Mitsoda was still around and everyone else could see the writing on the wall

>>96809737
Gotta misremember how good Mitsoda was.

>>96809058
No.

>>96809058
Nope, instead of players wisely managing their power use, feeding, and hunger, it takes it completely out of their hands and makes every use of their powers or interaction with blood a dice roll away from a frenzy.