Thread 96798742

Auxilia edition

>Previous Heresy: >>96780109

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N

>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
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https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
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>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
Do you do model photography?

>>96793936
>>96795057
Oi m8 you didn't deliver the dramatis personae of Ashes of the Imperium.

Since he's so easy, why didn't Alpharius and Omegon just to tell Ferrus to NOT kill himself in a grief over his favorite fembrother turning traitor?
Seems like a major plothole tbqhwy

>>96798742 (OP)
Why's his sword got so many holes in it, idiot

>>96798742 (OP)
>>Thread question:
>Do you do model photography?
Sometimes, but my 19 year old digital camera isn't really suited for the job any more. The battery is on its last legs, and the auto-focus has become rather unreliable.

>>96798760
asses of the what now

is that a calendar

>>96798794
>Implying the Alpha Legion wanted Ferrus Manus to live

>>96798742 (OP)
God I want to like the solar auxilia's new look but I saw one comment that their lower armor looks like a big metal diaper and I cant get it out of my head.

Man this game felt like a slog to play through
>our tacs just hid in the back the entire game
>the terrain meant every dead vehicle just jammed up the other units so no one could get anywhere
I did find out how funny running over power armor units with rhinos were though. My opponent Death Or Glory'd one with a centurion, gave it every status besides pinned and then got splattered.
Then one of my contemptor promptly ran into the squad of Sanctifiers that was accompanying his roadkill officer and held them there away from tacticals for the rest of the game while my other dread and command squads wiped out the rest of his scoring.

>>96798987
>Unpainted models

>>96798956
>their lower armor looks like a big metal diaper
It doesn't even go between their legs, it would be entirely useless as a diaper.

>>96799039
>useless posts

>>96798895

>Implying ANYBODY did.

>>96798987
> Unpainted SHIT
> Unmodified 40k models
Yikes! It's trash

>>96799195
>even the Iron hands?
>ESPECIALLY the Iron hands

Is this an okay size difference?

>>96798987
nice battle anon, did you guys read the vehicle wreck rules? by standard you remove them like other dead models OR you can choose to leave them on the table and their wrecks are difficult + dangerous terrain and also provide 6+ cover save. So you can move through them a -2 movement.

>>96799537
they make excellent siege of terra/late heresy chem enhanced fk boi emperors children models. Especially if you mix the two kits properly so they have more 30k parts on the bigger torsos.

>>96799537
No

>>96799678
dont reply to troll nogames

>>96799538
We played it like that for the infantry and walkers but vehicles RAW still can't enter terrain so it was a bit annoying to maneuver around the surviving tanks

apparently theres some debate on if a land raider achillies can take phosphex canister shot if an army contains a siege breaker

any anons want to pitch in their thoughts?

>>96799537
Jesus, why are the 40k EC so big?

>>96799787
Sounds like some RAW loophole shit, so I'd be inclined to be against it.

>>96798372
Look for "Feudal Guard" by TMC for the stls.

>>96799787
It doesn't have the option so why would it?

>>96798742 (OP)
TQ
Wanted to but no where to even start when sitting down on the computer to do some photo editing.
Did any ex-fw/gw graphics designer reveal the secrets or general methods to get the job done?

>>96799876
Fabius fuckery

>>96799787
There is none, because it can't: it doesn't have the callout in its profile that allows it to buy phosphex if there's a siege breaker in the army, unfortunate but pretty cut and clear.

>>96799787
there is ZERO evidence for achilles having phoshex other than the inability for reading comprehension by grogs trying to spam things in their dreams. It clearly states "Rapier Carriers with quad launchers" not any "quad launchers anywhere on any platform in the army"

>>96798742 (OP)
Graphics design is my passion.

>>96799899
love your Militia anon keep it up!

What are all you Anons working on atm? post WIP pics. I am doing up a Iron Hands Herald to chuck into my Mastadon party bus for the fear (1) aura and general cool vibes. I thnk i need a few more tech bling things hanging off the banner though.

>>96799787
there's no debate, it's been deliberately excluded from taking phosphex

>>96800493
finished up this rogue psyker + handlers for my militia, working on some autocannon teams now

>>96798742 (OP)

>>Thread question:
I usually just take normal battle shots and cool combat shots/army pics for all the events I attend and most of my games with mates. We do have some lads that bring a decent DSLR camera sometimes and I really need to start doing that as well.

>>96800512
Desu this reminds me I should make some wreck markers, I never had any before playing heresy because I played tyranids, my 1.0 salamanders didn't have any vehicles because I was a cheapskate and recasts weren't as accessible at the time, and in 2.0 I just popped the turret off/turned the tank over, but now that vehicles are worth a damn I kind of want to buy or make those fancy led smoke plumes

>>96800492
the hammered bronze looks great.

>>96800542
$5 pack of tea light candles, $5 bag of pillow stuffing, basic PVA glue and a $10 rattle can of black spray paint that you hit with it at the bottom and from the top down leaving the middle alone = magic

>>96799537
EC gay tummy is longer for some reason

>>96799899
Thank you! I'll see if I can get some printed in FDM.

>>96799876
Slannesh boons making them more serpentine/taller. They’re intentionally the tallest of the chaos factions

Is the reason I haven't seen more people talk about the kharybdis just because most people don't own the model? Getting Spartan level transport space for the price of a land raider seems kind of insane, especially given it can fly in from behind from turn 2+ and you can land multiple a turn unlike drop pods

>>96801569
caestus beats it in every imaginable way

>>96801648
>290 points
>only 16 slots
>useless melta cannon it'll never fire
>doesn't even get a missile launcher with pinning, and not stable so never benefits from heavy
...are you simply pretending to be retarded?

>>96801569
>most people don't own the model
Yes. Fuck that thing.

>>96802182
Plastic Dreadnought Drop Pod when?

>>96802182
Idk how people have problems putting together drop pods. Theyre not hard at all.

>>96801569
Guy at an old store had one. He said is was a giant pain in the dick to assemble, and transport because it was so stupidly large.

>>96798987
get some craters and replace blown up tanks with them imo

>>96799537
its fine esp if you sand down the feet a little, but imo the proportions on the grieves as kinda weird

>>96799787
its omitted but it totally should

>>96800492
nice work choggo

>>96801569
I have one and it was actually a pleasure to build. Transport is an issue, but you're not going to see much of them in 3.0 because the dreadclaw is awful to assemble so people assume the big one is worse. Its also somehow worse than 2.0 (still paying the sin of being good in 1.0). The fa/tg/uy who said the caestus is better isn't wrong ignore the nogames guy

>>96798742 (OP)
where?????????

>>96802376
god has forsaken us she only lives in our hearts now

>>96799537
I wonder how those NU-EC size to Tortuga, probably same?

>>96802647
>I wonder how those NU-EC size to Tortuga, probably same?

If Minicompare can be trusted, I suppose there's this. Had to try Tortuga's MkII-III as well and those were apparently shorter? In any case they are probably comparable, albeit lanky bois who seem to have more dynamic poses so that muddies it a bit too? Tormentor/Infractor heads and helmets also seem to be longer.

Spoiler anon from previous thread. Please come back to us!

He's BACK BOYOS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=178fpgSabvk

>>96802767
Wow the scale is so much over the place what a hot mess

Dakka just needs decals

>>96803048
The belt autocannons are kino, very nice!

Magnetizing up a consul,goal is to get a master of signal, Chaplain, herald, siege breaker, overseer, and standard Centurion out of him swapping arms and backpacks, with weapon options of hsmmer/maul, power Fist, power axe, and twin lightning claws

>>96803004
Buy an ad

Magnetizing up a consul,goal is to get a master of signal, Chaplain, herald, siege breaker, overseer, and standard Centurion out of him swapping arms and backpacks, with weapon options of hsmmer/maul, power Fist, power axe, and twin lightning claws

>>96802990
Writing this summary takes ages, I can confirm saturnine termis appear for about 4 pages and Salamanders only at that. No dreadnoughts.

>>96803186
You're foing a god's work anon. Thanks a lot.

>>96803143
when you really gotta swipe right

Which tanks do you associate the most with the Iron Warriors?

>>96803274
None, tanks are for actually valuable legions not cannon fodder.

>>96795057

The battle begins with the ships in orbit firing everything they have at the planet while the traitors on the planet fire back with missile platforms.
Simultaneously the Iron Hands begin the dropping of all their heavy armour. The shots fired by the loyalists mostly hit the void shields and cause a cacophony of noise and bright flashes.
Outside the fortress shields a battle titan sized quake bomb reshapes the surface.

Next the Raven Guard launch everything they have in a great wave of ships and drop pods.
The Salamanders launch their attack in waves with Cassian in the first drop pod assault wave.

The IH land at the EC zone and immediately start blasting apart the lighter tanks they face which were set up to fight against infantry. We follow Orth in his fellblade as they crash through the EC lines in seconds.
The IH infantry will drop a couple of minutes after them so they start blasting apart fortifications.

Next the Sota-Nul in Horus' fortress activates some new DM automata (unnamed, probably Tennebrax) that have been hiding in the mountains for days, they climb up the mountain and begin pouring flak into the incoming RG vessels. 824 vessels are what the RG launched in their vanguard, they get reduced to 784 before we cut away.

Mal tells Fabius to activate Appius next. He is a kakophani orchestrator and his scream goes through every vox around the planet. Every marine hears the screams in their helm and either get their ears blown or manage to throw it off. Corax is able to get Maun to land their ship over a traitor communication relay. He intends to take over their communications and use it for the loyalists. He swiftly does.

>>96803363
We cut to the solar auxila lander and the leader Astraea. 500,000 auxiliaries are dropping. They also get hit hard by the vox attack with some dying and many losing their hearing. Some landers crash due to loss of pilots most get down by eyeing the distance and following the flares of the lead lander.

Next we see a Salamander called Orasus who is the lone survivor of his gunship. He makes his way towards the fortress towards fires. Cut to Cassian who has become defacto leader on his front as all Salamanders defer to him with the vox network down.

We see Kades Nex infiltrate the fortress alone, he cuts up two SoH marines and uses the helmet of one to listen into their plans before making his next move.

EC and artillery from the fortress is starting to take a heavy toll on the IH vehicles.

The loyalists begin to regain vox capability thanks to Corax. The IH have also begun to put down their own shielded nodes on the plateau. Maun sees more and more landers keep coming from orbit as each marine ship disgorges it's load and moves off.

We cut to the Dracosian in orbit. A Salamander named Xaliscus is trying to free a gunship which has become jammed in it's launch cradle. He manages to free it and meet a friend of his from the Alpha Legion. We learn the full legion has just arrived and given him an order to remain on the Dracosian.

Next Pech ad Omegon have a chat with Pech admitting he has some misgivings about the entire plan.

Forrix is watching as ships both traitor and latecomer loyalists arrive around Isstvan V. It is the IW role to ensure there is a ship close to each loyalist ship which can destroy it easily when the word comes.

We cut to the Catura ship and admiral Klave as he has some thoughts about Perturabo taking over command due to Ferrus being groundside. They have been ordered to move back as the second wave moves forward.

>>96803381
Vulkan descends. He drop pods down next to Cassian and begins butchering DG marines, saturnine terminators drop pod down around Vulkan and start annihilating DG too. They set off the DG mines.
Orasus sees the mines blows from two kilometres away, phospex mines which send the gas billowing into the sky. He encounters a DG marine and is lucky to kill him as he quickly realises one bolt isn't typically enough to kill a fellow marine. He starts mag dumping into more DG marines that emerge from trenches and tunnels. Before he is overwhelmed two saturnine terminators find him and save him and tell him to stay with them. They hear the titans awaken in the fortress.

We see Jonah Aruken, princeps of the Penumbral Reaper march alongside the Dies Irae, except the titan quickly stops listening to his orders in its hunger to kill. The PR leaves its position and a gap in the defences of the Dies Irae. The titan begins to torture Jonah.

Orth in his fellblade is still fighting in the EC zone although using one barrel to try conserve ammunition. We are told they have lost as many of the legion in the last fifty minutes as in any single engagement of the Great Crusade. His fellblade falls into a deep trench and starts getting attacked by Thallaxi cyborgs. They manage to get free and rise up almost right Infront of the EC kakophoni marines.

We see Appius look at Orth's fellblade, he is outside to guard Fabius as he gathers geneseed. Following a path of destruction he focuses his attention on the fellblade.

From Orth's point of view we see rivets shoot free and the entire tank begin vibrating, a shell inside the breech block explodes and throws the turret free of the chassis with Orth inside.

Fabius forces Appius to leave the area and move to safer ground.

>>96803274
A Basilisk and a Vindicator.

>>96803004
What happened to circle heresy?

>>96803457
That rules set was never gonna happen lmao.

>>96803457
Still working on it

>>96803413
Mal surveys the battle from atop the fortress walls and updates Horus to the situation. He is told that Ferrus is Fulgrim's honour to resolve. He turns to look at the northern side of the fortress where the RG are reigning supreme in the cave and tunnel systems. He voxes Aximand to warn him Corax is likely in his area. He doesn't put much stock in it and proceeds to move into the tunnels with Ekaddon.

We cut to Kades Nex watching some RG lay mines along the tunnel the SoH will move along. The RG don't even know he is there. Aximand and the other SoH enter the tunnel and almost immediately get into a fight with RG.
Nex tries to kill Aximand but fails and is badly damaged, before Aximand can kill him Corax arrives leading to all the SoH trying to run away. The last we see of Nex he is standing against the wall of the tunnel having taken a new bolt pistol from a dead SoH.

>>96803467
Salt for the salt mine

>>96803623
We cut back to the Penumbral Reaper continuing its rampage as Jonah constantly gets commands from Dies Irae to return to formation.
Noticing the gap in Dies Irae's defence commander Cadmus of the Salamanders rushes the gap with thirty land raiders. They fire as they rush, trying to get into the area where the titan can't lower its weapons to fire back.

Jonah watches in horror as Dies Irae is attacked, the PR doesn't care much and keeps killing. The Dies Irae is heavily damaged by the land raiders but before a killing blow falls a warhound titan emerges from smoke to start destroying the land raiders. Cadmus has the land raiders circle the warhound to keep it distracted while their sponsons keep firing on Dies Irae. Just as the warhound cycles its weapons and is about to destroy the remaining land raiders missiles and bombs from black winged fighters and gunships blow its void shields and topple it to the ground.

Jonah watches everything while guilt tortures him. He sees (imagines?) his friend whom he killed, Titus Cassar, in order to become the princeps of PR. This dead body he sees talks to him and also tortures him. Possibly the titan doing it. In the end he seems to give in to the torture and PR does turn and go back to the side of Dies Irae, wiping out the remaining land raiders. Before he can be killed Cadmus uses his land raider to blow up the downed warhound titan and destroy everything in the area.

From the sky Maun can see that the detonation wasn't large enough to claim Dies Irae, and the Imperator lives.

>>96803685
Oh boy I hope the loyalists make it

>>96803591
godspeed

>>96803685
We cut back to the auxila on the ground seeing the explosion from afar. Many start cheering. Many troops have their helmets off simply just to hear anything, even though the overwhelming noise will probably leave them deaf. They've scattered far off their intended landing zone so Astraea grabs onto an armoured carrier and orders everyone in armour to follow her lead.


We return to admiral Klave in orbit, he is the ranking officer until the second wave reaches their position. The Mechanicum asks for permission to commence their drop of titans, which he gives. Munitions across the fleet of the first wave are low as they have been bombarding the planet constantly for two hours. As some of the first wave were going to leave, orders come from Perturabo that they should remain in position to keep bombarding the planet. This starts to make Klave suspicious. Just then he gets a message from an inbound ship, it is Ingo Pech and he requests to come aboard. He brings an Iron Warrior delegatus called Grelth. Their reason for coming is to ensure clarity in following orders.

Pech and Grelth have small talk where Grelth admits that the Alpha Legion are the best liars and that the data shows the loyalists are currently winning the engagement.

>>96803274
THE VINDICATOR

There appears to be a conspicuous lack of focus on the Iron Hands in this book.

>>96803913
Is Fidelitas Imperialis new "wet leopard growl"?

>>96803971
To be fair, we did already get the entire Ferrus vs Fulgrim duel and a lot of the IH POV in an earlier novel.

>>96803997
I concur. It's way too Latin to be used frequently.

>>96803913
Mal informs Horus that Dies Irae is pulling back while the rest of Mortis moves to engage legio Atarus. We see the titans of Atarus land and immediately move forward seeking to kill Mortis titans. Jonah hears the PR (I think) talking to him, using him to do what it wants, which is to go kill Atarus titans. Twin Atarus reaver titans called Red Naga and Bellum Sacrum move to engage a Mortis warlord called Breath of Thunder. Jonah (PR) manages to destroy Bellum Sacrum but Red Naga manages to get close to Breath of Thunder and use it's fist to punch up into its head and cause a reactor blow.

Next Kharn is among the WE in a big hall before the fortress doors. He is wearing his armour but it isn't connected to him so he is simply carrying the weight. Angron paces before the fortress doors.

Back to Orasus and the saturnine, the DG fire an orche coloured gas across the battlefield. Orasus has to throw away his damaged and take one from a dead DG to stay alive. When the gas finally envelopes them he sees the green peel off the saturnine and looks down to see his own armour reduced to grey ceramite. They advance into the gas knowing the DG are using it to cover their own attack. They don't get far before Mortarion dispatches the two saturnine and perches over Orasus. As his scythe swings down a hand grabs it. Vulkan has arrived. His armour is streaked with green due to the gas. The two sides clash.

Cut back to Mal and Horus in the strategium, Horus doesn't say much until he notices Mal staring at him. As they have a talk Horus asks if he thinks the Mournival would agree with what he is doing here, Mal tries to placate him but Horus is clearly unhappy with how things are but doing it because feels he must. As the IH get closer and closer to breaching the fortress Horus gives the word to unleash the WE.

(this is the last time saturnine appears)

>>96803048
Thought those autocannos are for Iron Warriors

>>96799526
It's not anons fault that the 40k vindicator is superior to the heresy one in literally every way besides kit age

>>96804078
Thankfully there doesn't seem to be an over-emphasis on the saturnines. Hate how much fluff about new models is just cheap car salesman advertisement sometimes.

>>96804170
I've never liked a John French novel until this one and that is part of it. He also doesn't say a word about any MK VI armour but MK II/III gets mentioned and described regularly. This book is really a HH rogue one

>>96804078
The fortress doors open and the armour of the WE tears out, Kharn is atop a fellblade getting knocked about as it fires on the move. Angron leaps from a kratos to attack three RG tanks. As the WE leap from the tanks to engage the RG infantry Kharn tries to follow but lands heavily and can't rise before a RG is standing above him firing at him. His armour is damaged more but saves him and just before the RG can headshot him a random WE strikes the RG and hacks him apart. Kharn is left on the ground.

Maun is still flying around offering ground support where possible. As he seeks to leave and rearm a message come from delegatus Grelth. The deployment of all auxiliary forces has been sped up and he gives Maun the task of ensuring it goes right. Maun retorts back that it is a terrible idea to which Grelth gives Klave the vox and he manages to convince him to do it.

Aboard the Catura, Pech thanks Klave while Grelth can't understand not following orders. They get the location of all ground forces and immediately transmit it to all second wave ships.

We are told of how the information reaches each incoming legion and follow a Night Lord called Scarrix as he moves to enter his xiphon interceptor.
A brief montage goes over how each arriving primarch is preparing for the coming event.

Again we return to Astraea and her auxila. They have to give orders by written parchment as nobody can hear anymore due to the sounds of the battle rebounding off the mountain walls.

Back where she originally was most of the infantry have been left with her sub-commander Kengrace, he gives them all the order to advance. As they advance the ground erupts, sand and gravel shoots into the air. From the holes all around they hear chains in the dark, then the red butchers emerge.

>>96804188
Haven't you read Ashes of Imperium yet? I'm very interested in Grest Scouring and political games after Heresy. Hope that my boy Russ receive some spotlight and fame.

>>96804268
Back near to the fortress Orth is somehow still alive and still in the blown off turret of the fellblade. He manages to get out and stumble across a damaged but functional sicaran tank.
Maun has a back and forth with Grelth as he is asked to give an update on how the landings are going. There is no space to land so they will have to land into enemy fire to which Maun protests but Grelth naturally says is within accepted parameters. Following this rather than leave and fully rearm Maun orders all RG vessels to start ground support to help as they can. He knows the IW have full command of landing procedures now and don't need his help.


We return to Klave who receives orders to cease surface bombardment as the units have become too mixed together with no clear targets. He doesn't agree with the order and Pech sneakily points towards the orders coming from Grelth to which Klave asks him if second wave ships are in position to take over surface bombardment. Grelth gives a non answer causing Klave to say they will stay until they reach one third bombardment munitions. Grelth says it is unnecessary to which Klave angrily retorts it is his duty to bring death to traitors. Grelth and him have a stare down until Grelth simply turns away.

We cut to the AL operative who sabotaged a void harbour earlier, Ada, she is aboard the ship Dust Oracle. It has ties to the Salamanders despite not being a legion ship. She has brought trolleys of unwanted munitions from the launch deck to storage. She manages to get them to accept them in, not knowing she has planted some explosives among them.

We cut to another AL operative called Korbesha aboard the IW ship Olympus Bellum. He is an overseer of a gun deck. When the gun crews are bust loading their guns and preparing to fire he drops a tool down into the line the ammo trolley will take.

>>96804272
Going to start it soon. It's much longer, 503 pages. Will put up the character list after this.

Does Kharn do anything but jobbing in this book?

>>96804312
Thanks.

>>96804313
No, he's a deadman walking until the very end.

>>96804278
Next Forrix is busying himself looking at the layout of the forces and where each ship is ensuring that each loyalist ship has an executioner alongside it or an AL team aboard ready to sabotage it. Perturabo informs him that he has been called to the surface and he leaves Forrix in control of the void element. Forrix sends the ready signal to Horus.

Mal informs Horus everything is ready. Horus tells him to pull everyone back except Fulgrim and to begin the massacre.
We see Appius wandering among the battlefield alongside Fabius.

Again we return to Orth who has wired himself into the Sicaran tank in order to control it as his body is failing him. He comes upon the retreating WE tank column and starts blasting them, he manages to destroy five in five seconds. He recalls his primarchs orders and plunges into the tanks again.

Back to Maun who has nothing left to fire in his ship and the same for all the ships flying alongside him. They see that the reinforcements are deploying and he orders to standby to evacuate whoever needs it.
Orasus continues his fight against the DG in the gas but before long they vanish back into the gas and Cassian orders all Salamanders to hold and pull back to the landing zones.

Astraea sees the landers and gunships of their 'reinforcements' coming.
Next Maun is told to take all RG ships back into orbit and clear the area to which he refuses.
He sees the legions pulling back from the sky, riding on tanks, on knights and thousands more just loping back on foot.

Despite their being almost no space the IW drop anyway and begin setting up emplacements and fortifications which sends a shiver down Astraea's spine.

Next we see Kor Phareon scoop dust from the ground to mark his forehead as he prays to chaos. Along with his sub commanders he gives the go ahead to encircle the incoming RG and gun them down when they try to get aboard their gunships.

>>96801569
Because it's a football-sized brick of resin that's like $400

>>96804423
Cut to Scarrix as he flies above the retreating legions, some look up at him and salute to which he smiles knowing that they will soon experience pure terror. Despite being ordered to strike the legion troops first he orders his underlings to target the auxiliary formations first.

Returning to Kharn on the ground, he is having an internal fight with voices in his head. As the voices ask him why he won't rise and continue he eventually says he fears he won't want to stop. He awakes to find one of Fabius' slaves above him, he immediately grabs its throat and rings the life from it. He feels the nails bite again for the first time giving him a pain he hasn't felt since falling on the ram blades on Isstvan III.
He finds he is surrounded by more of the slaves, he quickly minces them and goes in search of his legion.

Once again Klave is about to leave orbit when Pech quickly tells him to belay the order for a moment. Pech gives the order into his vox - Dionysus.
Aboard the Dracosian, the AL marine activates and orders his Salamander friend to draw his sword then shoots him anyway. He activates explosives which cause the Dracosian to ram right into an IW auxiliary ship. The reactors blow causing both ships to be destroyed.

The report quickly reaches the Catura causing delegatus Grelth to go over to see the details. As Grelth demands an update Pech stands closer to him and knows that Grelth's MK II armour is weak at the ear where the vox bundle is. He blows the brain right out of Grelth and turns to Klave and holsters his pistol. Klave is in shock. Pech immediately tells him to listen and that Horus has orchestrated the entire event as a trap.

>>96799537
Totally fine. People play with extra thick tortuga miniatures and people play with extra short Calth mk5 and nobody in the real world actually minds when you put the models on the table.

>>96804476
Forgot 351

>>96804120
Terminally shit taste

>>96804476
Astraea stares at the incoming legions that are retreating towards the statue still lines of the IW. She realises they are waiting.

Mal follows Horus as he approaches the fortress doors. Horus steps into a land raider and prepares to go out into the warzone. He asks Mal if he wishes to see it first hand to which he shakes his head. Mal informs Horus that Ferrus has not pulled back and is still attacking. Horus doesn't care much. Horus hears his brothers say how they are ready to fire on the retreating legions, he tells them to begin.

Astraea hears gunfire come from the Word Bearer lines. Men around here begin to gaze in that direction but before they can cry out the IW begin to fire. Quake shells, mortars, rockets and prometheium bombs wipe out the auxiliary.

Kharn comes across Angron and his fellows half way to the fortress. None of them look at Kharn, they are all following Angron's gaze to the distant explosions. Angron roars 'wounds to the front' repeatedly until all the legion is roaring it towards the light.

We return to Kor Phareon as he orders for the RG to be let close so they may kill them face to face. He kills a RG marine himself and rips a heart out.

As Scarrix and his wing fly past his underling informs him that the Word Bearers were ready to fire on them if they tried anything. He spies a knight lancer among the retreating forces and goes in for the killing strike blowing it away with missiles.

Quickly we see the fate of Orasus, Iron Warriors walk through the gloom of the gas with volkites held low. He enters their field of view and realises his armour has been stripped of identity, before he can shout he is shot down by them. He dies thinking they thought he was one of the DG.

Next Forrix sends the orders for all ships to begin engaging their given target.

>>96804555
Jesus Christ, read better books. BLslop is for sub-80 IQ

>>96804120
So true the 40k big siege shield moggs the 30k one hard

>>96804578
Hey man some slop every once in a while is ok

>>96804599
As long as he stops shoveling it all over the second thread in a row.

>>96804555
Going back to Klave and Pech, Klave isn't sure what to believe at first but then the reports come in that loyalist ships are being fired upon. But his ship won't be fired upon as the traitors believe Grelth and Pech are in control of the ship.
Pech informs Klave that he does what he does because they want to balance the future.

Korbesha aboard the Olympus Bellum gives the order to fire in the gun deck, they are targeting the IH ship Sigil Pyrities. He quickly leaves as the ammo trolley gets tipped by the tool he left on the track causing a shell to fall onto the hot breech, it doesn't take long to blow and rip the ships void shields apart from the inside.

Next we see the perspective of a marksman (Exodus) above the Urgall Depression. He watches Salamanders three kilometres away they are moving towards a group of Night Lords who are trying to appear unthreatening. The Salamanders pause and hold still unsure what to do. He helps them. He quickly begins head shotting Night Lords causing the Salamanders to go on the attack as the NL open up on them. He is hopeful some of them will manage to escape the battle as he begins thinning out more NL around the flanks.

Pech and Klave continue their conversation. Pech tells him that he wants him to leave and survive and if possible when it is all over return to collect loyal survivors. When Klave asks why Pech only replies 'For the Emperor'.

>>96804578
I have a big library. These books are very easy to speed through.

>>96804631
Cool. Keep it there.

>>96804636
Nah, have patience Word Hater, we're all reading now.

>>96804612
I don't mind. You are free to leave the thread.

>>96804645
Fuck off to /lit/

>>96804578

Shut up man, he's reading it so we don't have to. That man's a hero.

>>96804648
Your salt is delicious. We are here to stay.

>>96804120
>Huge siege shield
>Absolute GIRTH of its demolisher cannon
The mars pattern vindicator is perfection, you can't improve upon that.

>>96804631
>Exodus

Damn, lot of FW characters and old HH characters showing up instead of yet more OC donutstheel self-inserts.

>>96803274
probably the rhino or aurox

>>96804631
>more Alpha Legion are secret loyalists crap
I should've known some more bullshit was coming

>>96804753
This is old bullshit by now, Legion was released ages ago

>>96804631
Klave agrees and leaves the system slowly, as he leaves he sees the ships of the RG, IH and Salamanders being destroyed.
Pech leaves on his own ship again.

The AL operative Ada sabotages the Dust Oracle to save it from the firestorm over Isstvan V.

The IW terminator strike onto the Ferrum and clear the engine spaces, they leave it a hulk for later reclamation.
The Night Lords attack a bulk carrier mainly filled with medicae wards, training decks and support staff. They link the ships internal hailer with their armours audio pickups so that the ship is filled with the noise of their armour and the hiss of their breath before the screaming starts.

Acronis the RG aboard the Ad Temperesta recon ship can only watch and record everything that happens.
Maun is desperately trying to stay a flight as fire starts coming from everywhere.

Cassian has a memory flash of a conversation with Horus where Horus told him to live for a future where they could live without war. As he does he sees Horus marching among his men and begins charging toward him. He throws SoH terminators and crushes marines between him and Horus until as he reaches Horus he feels Horus' mace smash into him and obliterate him.

Corax orders a breakout.

Scarrix is busy letting landers get into the air before shooting them down as he wants the people aboard to have some hope of getting off planet before he takes it from them. Next he spots Maun flying past.

Maun manages to land fast and low where Corax is so that he can embark. Scarrix noticed and begins chasing him. As the chase begins Maun almost loses Scarrix until Scarrix fires a missile after him and blows a wing off. This brings them crashing down into the mountainside.

Four hours have passed since the operation began.

Character list for ashes of the imperium

>>96804846
Orth is dragged out of the Sicaran by a slave of Fabius. Fabius appraises him when a voice calls him. Fulgrim appears behind him carrying the head of Ferrus, seeing this drives Orth into a mouth foaming anger. Fulgrim presents the body of Ferrus to Fabius as a gift but keeps the head for someone else.
Maun dies hoping his primarch is okay.

Kharn is sitting down when Kargo finds him covered in blood from head to toe. He's been using a chainsword as a club since the teeth stopped working. He tells Kargos to continue on without him as he just wants to sit a while.

Pech follows Omegon to a victory gathering of all the primarchs and commanders. He does not like what he sees amongst the other legions. Fulgrim presents the head of Ferrus to Horus who holds it up as a trophy to roars of Lupercal and victory.

Acronis sends the report of all that has happened back to Terra.

The End. Or is it?

How big are Saturnine helmets? Do they look too big on regular Astartes? What about other Terminator armor marks?

>>96804753
He did it for the love of the game, not because he's loyal

>>96804753
>want to balance the future
AL are playing both sides, true chaotic neutral

>>96804860
>Aristea
>Custidian
Seems like a woman name.

>>96804753

Eh, in the case of Exodus, it feels less like "secret loyalist" and more "Just really dislikes Nightlords" which is fair.

>>96805080
Why not both?

>>96804860
Thanks a lot for Drop site massacre spoilers! Can I hope you post Ashes of Imperium spoilers as well? Please.

>>96798987
Vehicle wrecks are dangerous terrain and only subtracts 2" no? You could house rule you can phase through them with infantry to abstract a blown out vehicle instead of downing inches to climb up and down.

>>96799537
The whole battlefield is an abstraction of size that can be attributed to are of influence for units. Vehicles are way too small for example, they can't fit the marine crew/passengers and functional intervals. GW doubled down on this and made 3.0 characters fuck huge. It's fine.

>>96804861
Wider and ever so slightly bulkier. Could work on mkiii.

This hasn't been seen, right?

>>96805268
Just starting it now, it starts big following a group of Iron Warriors trying to escape Terra.

>>96806041
Kinda neat that the Horus Heresy, the Scouring, and 40k each have their own little introduction text that sets the tone for the setting.

>>96804860
Kinda wish some EC except Fabius had gotten some shine on them. The old Fulgrim novel didn't really spotlight any of them except Julius and Fulgrim himself. Even if it was just in a brief TEATD-esque cutaway, it might have been nice if it were at least there.

>>96804860
Word Bearers :)

>>96805442
No it makes it the scale problem with vehicles even worse, it's not fine.

>>96804860
Thanks anon

>>96799876
Size_difference is a popular tag.

60 pages in and Terra is completely ruined following the siege with the Ultramarines now fighting traitors that couldn't escape and purging every hive since there aren't any normal humans left outside the palace.
Vulkan burnt down a whole hive city himself due to creatures he found there.

The chosen of Malcador are beginning to plot removing the Astartes element from government as they believe it's what Malcador would have wanted.

A group of 8 Word Bearers, 2 Night Lords, 1 Son of Horus and 1 Alpha Legion marine are fleeing to the Elysian gate and they encounter and bring aboard the 8 Iron Warriors from the intro.

I'm not going to do a full event by event summary again, just recap interesting things.
Here's the intro of Iron Warriors running for the lives.

>>96804860
>>96806041
>>96806610
How'd you get this one so early, it's not due out for a few months

>>96806610
>The chosen of Malcador are beginning to plot removing the Astartes element from government
A doomed but noble endeavor if there ever was one.

>>96806656
I said Heil Horus (HH) in my local GW and the guy gave me one for free.

>>96804578
Shut the fuck up you pussy.

>>96806402
Disagree, but I respect your opinion. Cats out of the bag in my option with the 3.0 plastic and new resin characters.

>>96804578
This is my favorite novel series.

So how's it work

>>96807172
>not reading anti-capitalist monster erotika
Not gonna make it anon

>>96804578
Not every book has to be high literature, just like not every meal has to be a three Michelin star restaurant diner. Bet even you eat McDonalds or other fast food at least weekly.

Right, parts have arrived. Time to make more seekers (20 isnt a dick move right?)

>>96806610
>The skies are choked with with the ashes and dust of a thousand upon thousand bastions
>Lines of slaves are deathmarching across the shattered landscape to choke the enemy with their bodies
>Daemons are twisting, destroying and tainting everything they touch
>The cradle of humanity is on the verge of death
>Overcome with giddy satisfaction, the Iron Warrior he raises his fist to the bleeding sky
>"Finally, we can govern effectively."
Truly the Emperor's silliest clowns.

>>96807203
>not gamelit
Not even once.

>>96807236
Maybe it's my abysmal dice rolls, but seekers haven't really done well for me. Mediocre damage, die like tactical marines yet cost twice as much points.

>>96804860
>no EC
Man they got fuck all PoV in SoT and no elaboration whatsoever of the shit they supposedly did to the civvies during the siege. Absolute shafting and not in a fun way.

>>96807192
Roll a d3 to decide which is getting hit this time :) unironically, at least until an errata (lol)

>>96806674
Um BASED?

>>96806610
You should scan the entire book and upload it as a fuck you to GW

>>96807192
Just use normal facings I guess? Or average it out to 13~ AV all round or something idk.

>>96798742 (OP)
>Order recasts from faggot in Ukraine
>Quality is pretty much on par with the GW resin shit I've ordered in the past (ESPECIALLY the one or two older sculpts I got)
Do you guys ever wonder if GW isn't the littlest bit ashamed their resin quality and all the flaws that come with it is on par with some faggot in a basement who makes his shit between shellings?

>>96807649
>>Quality is pretty much on par with the GW resin shit I've ordered in the past
My condolences

>>96807649
Just order original alternatives from like Tortuga or something. Recasters are casting GW resin, so of course it's going to be at least as bad as GW resin. And in most cases it's worse because they're using silicon molds of GW resin that start wearing out immediately.

>>96807717
>Tortuga
The only thing worse than a troonscaler is a tortuga fatass

>>96807742
Aren't they taller than mk2?
But based chads print their own resin.

>>96807717
NTA but I like tortuga a lot
>>96807742
They sell heads and bits as well that fit normal scaled minis.

>>96806610
Hell, seems interesting.

>>96807795
Yes they are primaris sized.

>>96807828
And that's why printer goes brrrrtttt.

Its cool how veteran tacticals can be kitted out exactly like a terror squad. Dont know if a flamer and a rotor cannon are optimal (probably arent) but it sounded like a cool idea.

>>96806610
Are the Malcadors chosen humans or astartes themselves?

>>96807170
Fair enough anon, which plastic models and resin characters are you referring to? The beakies from 2.0 were larger scale as well

>>96804860
>Heliosa-78
Oh so they're following up on that.

>>96807838
Printer chads win again

>>96807850
Humans, theyre a bunch of fags who are basically proto-inquisition

>>96807850
Just humans. Think of them as a kind of predecessors to inquisitors.

>>96807875
>>96807878
Oh I think I mixed them with the Knights Errants, thanks

>>96807870
My official FW cast Exodus came covered in horrible print lines, so it's pretty evident FW are pr00nters themselves as well.

And yes, with printing they also do a worse job than an unemployed basement dweller doing some pr00nting on the side between odd jobs, bombardments, and chronic alcohol abuse.

>>96807649
GW is incapable of anything other than greed.

>>96807849

They're good statuses, if nothing else. I have the same setup on my DG Inductii since it forces an easy Panic test + Suppression test, and Night Lords get more out of statuses than Death Guard do.

>>96807978
Sure, but without any real melee power I dont know if the statuses are worth it over say a twin disintigrator or whatever the two shot S7 D2 gun is called. Especially since I didnt give the sgt a special weapon (maybe a mistake)

>Dg inductii
Yea, those seem sweet. The NL ones are cool too, but I am kinda jealous.

>>96807905
Yeah I no longer buy GW

check out this LIgma game

>>96807376
Hang on now, here's your one of two EC appearances. The second is Vulkan and Prayto double teaming one.

>>96808108
No interesting bits about Russ or SW so far?

>>96808130
Not even appeared in the flesh 150 pgs in, only the traitor gang seeing the combined DA and DW fleet going to Terra as fast as they can.

>>96807995

Dissies on vet tac strike me as a great way to kill your own models as fast as you kill the enemy, and even without better combat stats the bonus from a statused target means you punch first and score twice as many hits per attack as a normal WS4 enemy does. Giving the sarge a power weapon would help, though - can't strap an axe under his backpack or something?

>>96808158
>can't strap an axe under his backpack or something?
Might have to. Or I could just build a sarge specifically for the job (probably with a fist or hammer), I have the bodies.

>>96808144
Goddamit!

At some point in the novel someone ought to speak up and say "Where the fuck is Corvus?"

>>96804860
>all loyalist legions represented in the aftermath
>all except Raven Guard and Iron Hands
Welp, I guess now I have to blast them forevermore for not showing up for the final battle. It's unfortunate but they give me no choice.

>>96807192
it slams into buildings and melts a hole for the guys to go in through

if you want a single AV value, the average here is 12.667, so 12 all around - since we're effectively modifying a Characteristic by averaging them together, the rule on fractional Characteristics is that you round down (AoDR p168)

there's no other more reasonable way of working it out - 14 is Stormbird, 11 is a Xiphon, 13 is Thunderhawk; 12 is a drop pod or Storm Eagle, and despite the additional 90 points, the weapons of a Caestus are much better than those of the base Storm Eagle (or even the upgraded Storm Eagle), and it has an additional HP, so a 90 point premium is reasonable for your unpainted, 20 year old resin brick to appear on the battlefield in Modern Game

>>96808095
Ligma balls

>>96807861
The Praetor from the old launch box is huge, though in power armor. I recently got Kaedes Nex and he's bigger too, even compared to new beakies. Seeing people's newer resin models that came out in the last year or so they're bigger.

>>96808309
>It's Corvin' time!

>>96808309
He's someone being effective on a smale scale, thinking that his actions are galactic scale, and getting cucked by emotional decisions and bad writing.

>>96808437
Those new resin characters still are nowhere near as large as those two plastic praetor models. Those are still real outliers, no fucking idea what the story behind that is.

>>96808511
Between their size and how "out there" they look? Probably an early design before they got scale and aesthetic really figured out.

>>96807376
Oh right the whole Siege of Terra came and went with like zero appearances of Fabius and Lucius. That felt like an odd omission considering how many other callbacks there were to the Isstvan trilogy.

how to play daemons or are they just genuinely dogshit?

>>96801569
We houserule it, the dreadclaw, storm eagle and t-hawk to have Ass Vehicle again.

My local warhammer store is doing the GW Tanksgiving event so I'm gonna do a saturnine dreadnought kitbash with quad volkite falconets and 2 more volkite cuilverns on the nipples

>>96809079
They're an accessory

>>96809243
explain, unless you just mean "use them as allies"

>>96809079
everything has a 1/3 get out of Wounds free card, decent WS, Fear (1), they never run away and they're cheap as shit

if you want to get creative you can, if you don't Daemons are not for you in any game

>>96798742 (OP)
I got myself the new Solar Aux combat force for a change of flavour. I'm a Chogobro, and I'm fighting the temptation of just painting them white and black, even though it would be easier, since I wholly underestimated just how tiny these little dudes are. I literally thought I'd paint them in sub-assemblies and would do a meme candy scheme on the answer. Fuck. That.
Any tips for a scheme and backstory that isn't donut steel and isn't a scheme aping one of the legions? Also, preferably something that could be interchangeable as traitor/ loyalist if I end up growing this side project?

>>96809283
Afterthought sounded too rude to say

>>96808095
Kino.
Unpainted HHores wouldn't understand

>>96806610
Holy Kino

>>96798800
charnabal sabre

>>96801684
>av 12
>no assault vehicle
>m14
>dogshit missile launcher so once it drops its load you can't even hope for a useful gun run afterwards
>a mere 55pts less expensive
come on

>>96809389
As a fellow Chogo bro and SA enjoyer your best bet it is to use a scheme that is a military standard with a highlight secondary colour that could potentially match your legion or other legions easily.

So that means going with mil greys, dark greys, blacks, tans etc etc and then haivng your colour stripe as a red, white or black respectively.

I went with Dunkelgelb tan/dark yellow myself with red highlights.

>>96806610
There's been two whole chapters to a cult leader called Julatta and her cult's experience in the aftermath. They've been running nonstop on Terra trying to get away from Ultramarines.
At one point they are going down from the mountain the palace is on and find that a waterfall of blood has been formed from the billions of bodies.
Next they find hundreds of thousands if not millions of bodies stuck in the ground from the torso/shoulders up.

Dorn wants to immediately counterattack all traitors and chase them all down before any can escape.
Guilliman wants to do it step by step as he doesn't beleive they have the resources for what Dorn wants. He wants to retake Luna first and then Mars before going out further.

Terra is being kept alive by Guilliman, he had planned so far in advance that he had sent fleets of ships full of medicine and food a year in advance so they would all arrive at Terra when needed.

Many of the chaos aligned can't feel the warp or anything chaotic anymore so the most tied to it feel completely lost. Poessessed had the daemons pulled right out of them.

Kyril Sindermann is already a big proponent that the Emperor was right about chaos and any knowledge of it only leads to it gaining control of you. Xanthus approches him with the idea of forming an alliance.

The triitor gang encounter a DG and SoH cruisers trying to also escape through the Elysian gate but many Ultramarine hunter-killer ships are waiting amongst the 1000s of bits of debris. The gang have to abandon ship and jump into an old floating fortress.

Mouhausen pays a visit to the (astronomican?) and the high lord Zhi-Meng. She tells him that all the high lords should begin organising things for themselves while he had been of the mind that the primarchs and legions would get things running again. He agrees with her way of thinking. The seeds for the high lords actually having authority are laid.
They also discuss how the astronomican lit up when psykers died near it.

>>96811750
uh Perturabobros? our epic rival thinks we're not as bad as Lorgrar?

>>96811750
Xanthus is Basilio Fo in case anyone forgot or fell asleep during The End and the Death Pt 3

Can you stop filling the entire thread with spoielrs?

Like, read the book, make a note and then post it in one post. So it can be avoided if we want.

>>96811824
SPOILER ALERT RETARD:
THE LOYALISTS GET RAPED ON ISTVAAN
THE TRAITORS GET RAPED DURING THE SCOURING
END SPOILER ALERT RETARD

Do you think these could work as word bearers feral militia, or is that supposed to be a more caveman kind of feral

>>96811845
But did Horus die though? ;,,(

>>96811846
Not sure how big they are compared to a space marine, but they could work many different kinds of feral planets

>>96811846
could definitely work but feels like a lot of detail/effort for militia chaff

>>96811862
If it helps, those are 25mm square bases that they're on.
So if typical GW scale creep for TOW is consistent with what they did for Cathay, they should be a little bigger than a Guardsman/Solar Aux, but still quite a bit smaller than a space marine.

So what kind of bolter marks would thunder warriors use? Phobos? Or did they use autoguns?

>>96811824
What's a spoielrs?

>>96811846
Feral is feral, it's not supposed to be a restrictive term since Militia is a kitbash-heavy faction.

That said, the nu-marauders are gonna be a nightmare to kitbash, they're gonna be done in GW's modern sprue design that's common in TOW and AOS. If you want more kitbash-friendly feral people then I'd recommend Frostgrave Barbarians as a base.

>>96811862
They're on 25mm bases, so they seem big. TOW nu-sculpts are known for size issues.

>>96811865
In that case it should be fine, the scale is a mess all over the place anyways

>>96811852
Horus is kill

>>96811866
Personal opinion is that they should be carrying things that look more like ork shootas and sluggas

>>96811877
Funny you should mention that, I was thinking about using ork weapons and I might go for that.

>>96811866
Isn't that gun they're holding meant to be a bolter than plasma? Which I understand is the first mark of those, which already look less boxy and distinctive compared to later boltguns.

>opponent is 40k refugee and new
>he deploys 10 tartaros termis out in the open
>he just marches them into firing lanes on his turn
>I just hold my land raiders and javelins and dump fire into them
>he just gets silent and sullen for the rest of the game
I swear people just don't know how to apply simple tactics

>>96811866
Thunder warriors got their name because of the thunderous sound their boltguns made when fired. The Emperor was the one who invented bolt weapons, and thunder warriors were equipped with the earliest iterations of them.

>>96812234
You did warn him he was making a bad decision, right? You really have to do a lot of hand holding with new players these days, even if they're 40k refugees. People have lost the skill to think and properly analyse, they can't figure out anything without a few pointers.

>>96812247
10000% this, any time I play new peeps or refugees it is very important to have a chill and educational vibe. That means taking a softer list, helping explain all the rule interactions and gently asking "oh hey just so you know X is a valid move but it may result in Y".

>>96812247
You catch more tism gamers with tylenol flavoured honey, also the majority of adults these days stuggle to read or have critical thinking skills, thank late stage capitlism for breeding good consumers that dont ask questions.

Do you reckon another red stripe on the wings, or keep this more simple, like it currently is?

Also, post WIPs

>>96812385
show where it'd be? it looks good now but i think it would be nice to have a simple bit of color also breaking up the huge chunks of white all but at the front

>>96812247
>>96812296
He started two volkite sabres in reserves at the start of the game. When I warned him that reserve rolls are very dicey and that he should probably have them deloyed normally, he just nodded his head and held them in reserves anyway so I let him do what he wanted. Guess what tanks didn't contribute to the game until the very last turn and did fuck all?

>>96812385
Built Augur CNC and got a little token for the command vox

>>96812410
Was thinking something like this, because the massive chunks of white are part of my problem, too. The metal didn't break it up as much as I'd hoped.

>>96812385
I'd put a red triangular shape on one of the wings, with one edge along the front edge of the wing.

>>96799899
How did you manage the script on his chestplate? I could imagine doing the lion with a raised surface, but I struggle with text like that.

>>96812461
nta, I like this triangle

>>96812385
Try some freehand if you're feeling up to it. Look up asian ceramic pottery designs, I think traditional chinese clouds would look cool.

>>96812474
Looks like a decal to me

Spoiler anon, where are you? We need spoilers. Please.

>>96812914
He already did all the spoilers for the Isvtaan V book, and said he isn't going to do a full spoiler break down of the Scouring book.

>>96812809
I can hardly paint the main parts without it looking like shit.
Freehand is well beyond me, unfortunately.

>>96812934
I know. But there must be more interesting things in Scouring book. I hope spoiler anon post more spoilers. Especially about primarchs. Especially about SW and DA.

MK2 with umbra bolters and unique helmets are where its at

>>96812940
I believe in you anon, it's literally just some squiggles.

>>96812234
Did you at least offer him a reach around after?

>>96812989
pics??

Hey, spoiler anon, can you post illustrations from the books?

>>96813152
stolen from plebbit

>>96812433
>Couldn't roll above a 3 on 2 dice for 4 straight turns
Sounds like he was fucked from the start, that had little to do with reserves as a rule

>>96813163
Here, nothing too interesting I think although the title for the third one is brothers meet in secret.
I just got back from work so I'll be reading more soon.

>>96813240
Putting the image in would be helpful

Here's Dorn talking with Archamus about the final moments of the Emperor. I don't think any of this is new but interesting to read anyway.

is vanguard really that bad or are players just shit and dont understand its not as simple to score as line?

>>96813310
An opponent that isn't literally braindead retarded will never willingly let you score vanguard on a melee unit
Shooting units on the other hand can sometimes do well, but you need really high volume/quality of fire to make it consistently work

>>96813310
Ignore people who are literally so brain damaged they can't think beyond 1 turn, trying to abandon an objective to a vanguard unit will just lose you the game when the stage their own scoring unit behind them to follow up while the vanguard unit moves up to challenge the next objective. Every time I see people do it, I rocket up some thallax nearby, and suddenly they go from scoring 12 points to 4 points (and that's if you don't status their backline tactical and/or deepstrike something to wipe them out) for the rest if the game and then they start calling my army "really strong" as if they didn't literally lose the game for themselves by refusing to take perfectly good melee units because "muh vanguard bad, why no line"

>>96813510
>Unit with vanguard rockets up alongside line unit, forcing enemy unit to react off objective to deny vanguard scoring and letting you score with your own line unit
Vs.
>Line unit advances up to an objective on their own and gets more models on the objective than the opponent via either sheer mass or supporting fire, letting you score
In both of these situations, vanguard barely came into effect, and is easily replaced by other units you are already taking
Vanguardfags are completely incapable of viewing the game outside their little bubble of 2 unit buttbuddies

>>96813248
Lion, Dorn and Russ plan a treason? Or what?

>>96813557
>In both of these situations, vanguard barely came into effect
In the situation with vanguard, your opponent is minus 1+ reactions you idiot. That is not "barely coming into effect".
If your opponent is positioning in a way that his small reaction move can deny vanguard he is also easier to steal objectives from without any further investment because he - by necessity- has less models near the objective.

Yea, no shit if you only have one vanguard unit the other guy will be able to stop it scoring you a free 3vp by spending reactions.

>>96813557
>gets more models on the objective than the opponent via either sheer mass or supporting fire, letting you score
>with line units, some of the weakest combat units in the game, against vanguard, which includes the strongest combat units in the gamd
>can't even get within range to contest the objective because unlike linetards a vanguard unit can actually fight to defend an objective and doesn't need to hang at the edge of objective control range to reposition off
>with the supporting fire of exactly their transport and maybe a land raider, at best some artillery that they have to hope doesn't literally scatter right onto their troops that are apparently standing right next to the target unit to try and get the objective if they fail a 50/50 pinning check
Are you just pretending to retarded?

Second seeker squad more or less built, might need to add some more battle damage and stuff, some impaled hands might be fun if I had some of the right size (only have bloodletter hands, which are too big)

>>96813754
>-1 reaction
Denying your opponent VP is one of, if not the best use of your reaction points and regardless you get 3 (4 if you're willing to pay a few points) a turn and there is rarely that many other truly useful reasons to burn them in a legion astartes list
>Small reaction move
4" of movement is enough to get the entire unit on the objective and still be able to fully react off it

>>96813793
>I'm horrible at positioning so that means melee vanguard is good, actually

>>96813900
>yeah all those things that are either completely within your control or just literally how line of sight works? Skill issue actually
Yeah thanks for confirming that you're retarded

>>96813890
>Denying your opponent VP is one of, if not the best use of your reaction points
A free "reaction tax" on a unit is one of the best features a unit can have. Of course you want to spend those reactions to deny your opponent a free four VP, youre still paying a reaction where you otherwise wouldnt have.

>and regardless you get 3 (4 if you're willing to pay a few points) a turn
Which is not a lot nogames.

>and there is rarely that many other truly useful reasons to burn them in a legion astartes list
>return fire
>overwatch
>smoke screen
>(other) displacements
>legion reactions
"well, I would return fire with my HSS, but unfortunately I spent all my reactions running tactical marines away!"

>4" of movement is enough
Yea, if youre only hanging around the edge of the objective (meaning you both dont have very many models on it and arent denying your opponent from simply moving onto it)

>>96813917
>He thinks you need to toe on to an objective to be able to react off of it
>He thinks that line units don't have the movement to skirt around vanguard units and get three (3!) of their own models on the objective to take it
>He thinks objectives will be fully surrounded on every side by 3"+ of medium terrain and that there is literally no way to get a gun to see them
Shiggy

>>96813932
>youre still paying a reaction where you otherwise wouldnt have.
If you don't have vanguard to back up the line unit then my best course of action is often times to react forward and get more models on the objective to deny you points unless you draw more fire to them
>Which is not a lot nogames
It literally is, stop spamming MSU
>return fire
>overwatch
>smoke screen
>(other) displacements
>legion reactions
If your opponent is splitting his forces enough to make these mandatory 3 times a turn then you've either already won or taken a dogshit list
>Yea, if youre only hanging around the edge of the objective
I've gotten quite adept at measuring 4" and let me tell you, you don't need to toe on to an objective to be able to react off it

>>96813310
The second
You generally need vanguard to make back the points if an enemy got to an objective first. More so if they did it with a Line unit.
You also need your own Line unit to make your own points separate from that to get ahead.
This encourages you to have a mix of both but since charging mindlessly with a vanguard unit doesn't immediately result in you winning points then it's completely useless in some people's heads.
The complains are generally pretty retarded. Like 'what if the enemy just moves away' ignoring that the reposition reaction is only 4" or that getting the enemy to move out of an objective is already a big win for you to begin with.
Somehow it's always the perfect situation where the enemy is positioned in a way that makes your unit unable to charge them but also still hold the objective.
You could also ask these people how you are supposed to make the points back if the enemy gets to an objective first but they'll tell you there's no way to do it and whoever gets the first turn always wins by a land slide
Either way the choice is barely even between Line and Vanguard. Line units are not going to get enemies out of objectives by themselves in most situations. Despoilers can do it but they have their own problems

>>96814029
>If your opponent is splitting his forces enough to make these mandatory 3 times a turn then you've either already won or taken a dogshit list
the state of nogames

99.9% of lists need shooting, thats not even a discussion, its your most effective (or even viable) anti-tank and your best source of reliable damage. Running melee units is not an alternative to shooting, running shooting is likewise not an alternative to melee - ranged units lack the raw damage output to effectively deal with tougher targets.
You are at any time liable to be contesting or fighting over 3~ objectives (as is your opponent), smokescreen is the only defensive option available to dreads and vehicles.

All off these are going to be common needs and occurrences.

Armies and games are not about two 1500pts primarch deathstars in spartans squaring off with some tacticals on the side using the remaining points.

>>96814308

Not that anon, but amazingly people in my own local meta appear to have scaled up from Primarch + 5 unique terminators to Primarch + 10 unique terminators + sometimes a Primus Medicae, presumably because if everyone has a deathstar you need the best deathstar or you lose the fistfight anyway. Lorgar with five Phraetus has probably been the most consistent, though, those guys really rock and roll and they're not as expensive as ten Inner Circle or similar.

I play Mechanicum so I have not been partaking, but I'm looking forward to getting this AL allied det painted up because I want to see what kind of mess the Headhunter Bomb makes of Vulkan and friends.

>>96814367
And they ask if they can use their primarch before showing up to the game so the other play can tell them no or bring theirs accordingly right?
Right?

>>96814383

I wouldn't know, due to not having a Primarch to bring regardless, but I would assume usually not. Not sure it's even necessary anymore, since for the most part all a Primarch does is designate one particular squad as an unkillable brick for 450+pts rather than megabuff the entire army like in 1e, but I am reasonably relaxed on such things.

>>96814367
>Primarch + 5 unique terminators to Primarch + 10 unique terminators + sometimes a Primus Medicae
You did it, you actually upset me.

>>96814367
>Lorgar with five Phraetus

don't understand the Phraetus hype

they're geared for fucking over melee units and getting close while doing damage with the Warpflame Mantle, right? but even if you give them Deep Strike you can't put Lorgar in the squad, which means they need a party van

and the party van is going to be vulnerable to Statuses just like anything else so if you can hit it with enough disposable melta Tarantulas it's not going to move until it blows up, or you can just blow it up with a larger boy from further away and leave the Fatties waddling towards you; and they're not going to be in a Storm Eagle because it's a fucking pain to assemble and costs twice as much as a Spartan

so in the edition where everybody's been complaining about their 1000+ HammerCata squads losing their melee advantage because they have no Set-Up Move you've got these even slower, melon-headed targets waddling out of the Large Raider between bouts of Pinning and trying to Charge the other guy's death star? and they're supposed to be good even though they basically have less chance of getting anywhere than Cata, despite the fact you can murder them from a mile away with your 3x Vindicares you're allowed now and they all ignore EW(X)

on top of which any time they take a Status they lose D3 W, and you can absolutely fuck them with Mind Burst as soon as they're out of the party van if they don't immediately get into combat

>>96814463

Hey, if I get the headhunter bomb off that primarch dies as easily as any other, with the sole exceptions of Alpharius, Lion with Deathwing rather than ICK and Perty with Iron Circle. Looking forward to unveiling the new development in suicide squad technology.

Interceptor should be allowed when a unit disembarks from a transport

1100 poins left, what does this list need?

>>96814584
>He thinks he's going to pin a spartan when it has auto repair (4+) and an int 10 techmarine with a prime slot is 70 points

>>96814613
11 ten man tactical squads
>>96814595
40kiddie detected, I'm stealing your pacreas

>>96813310
It's incredible on shooty units. Soften the unit on the objective up by shooting it with another shooty unit, then finish them off with the shooty unit that has vanguard. No chance to react your way out of that one.

Also RAW vanguard does work on a vehicle if you destroy it with melee. Vehicles can't move react away, so if somebody put the rhino transporting their tactical squad a bit too close to the objective you can get an even easier vanguard cash in.

have not been tuned in since fall of last year or so into game and current meta, and know nothing about 3.0.
are lascannon HSS's still miserable to fight?

>>96814584
>don't understand the Phraetus hype
Oh, thats very simple. Theyre the meanest dudes around if you want to mash deathstars into each other, theyre basically special made to beat all the other common deathstar choices to death with comparative ease.

They oneshot other saturnines (or regular custodes or EW(1) terminators), are themselves very resistant to the most common weapons those sorts of units have (reducing thunder hammers to only 1 damage) and have a good invuln on top of everything (plus the flamers for clearing power armor).

As a deathstar theyre a meta counter to other deathstars. On their own theyre viable since you just take a small unit of 3, have them deepstrike on behind any lines, flamer someone to death and then just be really annoying to deal with because it takes six lascannon wounds to kill one.

>>96814641
Lascannon HSS are kinda trash now.

>>96814613
>what does this list need?
Some sort of shooting? If you want to stick with the mobility theme try predators or a sicaran or something, but you want toms ability to deal damage outside of melee range.

No, those multi melta scimitars dont really count, at 24" range theyre not actually good AT (theyre going to rely on getting side/rear shots in melta range) and you dont have the sheer volume of fire to kill infantry well with them.

>>96814641
No, lascannons have been nerfed so they no longer one shot everything smaller than a Spartan, vehicles aren't in squadrons anymore so you can't pick up a whole squadron at a time anymore, line of sight rules are more restrictive so it's near impossible to shoot across the table, and they're appropriately costed at 300 points

>>96813248
I'm curious if there's a reunion scene between Lion and Corswain and their respective cohorts. It's the first time since Descent of Angels that Lion and Zahariel have been in the same place at the same time. And while Corswain was gone Lion's guys went on an exterminatus spree in the south.

>>96814641
I think >>96814656 is exaggerating. But theyve been really toned down. Reactions are rarer now and units can only react once per turn, so no more "the lascannons intercept, then return fire, then overwatch" for 400% damage.

lascannons have also been made less powerful as AT, theyre still going to be fine for killing lighter vehicles, but it takes a LOT of them to kill Av14.

Lascannons went from "the best for basically everything" to a jack of all trades master of none, still good for killing heavy infantry and lighter vehicles, but no longer the best for any job. Autocannons are comparable into VEQ and dreads and stuff through weight of fire, rapiers and tanks are better for anti-tank.

>>96814666
>>96814656
well thats nice to hear.
demolisher cannons, from my limited look, seem to be a lot better than last edition as well.

>>96814676
I was exaggerating. Honestly really like how you need to bring the right tools for the job in 3.0, there isn't really one thing that is a solution to everything. At least not to the same level as in the previous editions.

>>96814690
Demolishers, unlike lascannons, will lose you friends if said friends run any amount of armor

>>96814700
thematically they're my favorite weapon (besides autocannon) and have been since i was 14 and started buying used 3e books at my local bookstore. I love the look of the gigantic cannon, the imagery they conjure of shattered buildings and terrified infantry.
good to know they're strong now, but a shame they've taken the throne of "dickhead weapon"

>>96814584

I haven't fought them yet and Mechanicum doesn't really distinguish between deathstars, they can all basically be fought the same way, but you're not going to status them with Lorgar in the squad unless you are insanely heavily built for it, like Pinning 3 + Effrit nearby + Rewards of Treason Fear squad built for it. His mental stats are even higher than Primarch average.

They don't seem much slower than your average Cataphractii out of a transport, and they're a lot more efficient at punching things while giving the primarch majority T6 Seeker protection. There are worse ideas, although if I was using them I'd probably deep strike 3-4 of them and collect a lot of their points back with the almost guaranteed particle shredder annihilation of the most expensive power armour unit I could find.

>>96814708
Just don't run like 6 of them and you'll be fine
They're good, but need to be run in groups of 3-5 to really become problematic

>>96814708
Wouldn't say demolisher cannons are the new dickhead weapons, a single one still won't one-shot a land raider or spartan.

>>96814695
yea, its both really nice since you never feel bad about what you brought, and infuriating since you never feel like you took everything you need.

>>96814720
Phraetus are malefic, you cant status them (and apply a status effect). You also cant modify their mental stats since theyre malefic.

>>96814700
Are demolishers even that good? The laser destroyer seems the superior anti-armor option, more shots, longer range (important since you need the ordnance).

>>96814747
The demolisher gets penetrating hits more reliably, with strength 12

Gonna have 3 Spartans (not to use at once, but just to assign units to transports because I'm autistic like that), and I thinking I'm going to go with one with gravis heavy bolter arrays and hull twin heavy flamer for the indomitus terminators, one with laser destroyers and hull twin lascannon for the AT focused Tartaros command squad, and one with just standard lascannon array and heavy bolters for my phraetus

>>96814740

Lorgar is not Malefic, so the squad with Lorgar in just uses his much better stats instead. Previous anon was talking about statusing them to chunk them for d3 wounds, which I think is likely not feasible at Ld12 Cl11. Besides, the whole squad needs to be Malefic to gain tactical status immunity, so they would run if Lorgar did. That's probably a downside, I think most people would prefer to take d3 wounds on one of their five big lads rather than have an 800pt squad Pinned.

>>96811866
Combine a plasma weapon with a bolt weapon and an appropriate barrel shroud.

>>96814777
NTA, but lorgar becomes malefic is his squad is malefic, otherwise things would get real fucky even if his rule otherwise lets you join them.

>>96814794

Oh, so he does. Thanks, I completely missed that part since I assumed it worked like Techpriests joining Automata squads, where they don't get the Automata type and it's a whole janky thing. Best of both worlds then, high mental stats + deathstar not being pinned by some effrit and a spare artillery piece.

>>96814761
S12 vs S10 armorbane is honestly not that far apart. Is +1S worth the fewer shots and shorter range?

Have people tried simply not fighting the enemy deathstars? Phraetus are like movement 5 and heavy, just ignore them.

Xestobiax is oscar mike

>>96814858
Don't forget the demolisher is also cheaper, and a blast weapon meaning it's almost impossible to miss now with the 3.0 blast rules Even if the to hit roll fails you only scatter 1d6
It's just very reliable, and can also deal with infantry due to being a blast weapon.

>>96814865
It's what people locally have started doing in 1.0, which is probably why I rarely see deathstars being played here.

>>96814747
They are pretty even. The demolisher is a bit worse if it moves and better if stationary

>>96814777
>not feasible at Ld12 Cl11.

it's never worse than 1/36

Even angels can't escape the Norwood reaper.

>>96814617
does having Int 10 stop the techmarine from dying to the three Vindicares a mile away? because so far it sounds like you've spent 1500 points on a lemon party

still don't understand why this no-shooting unit is better than Malefic HammerCata at actually getting into combat

>>96815025
Who?

>>96815025
Doesn't certain geneseed make them bald at like 18 once the space marine process is done

>>96815073
Amit & Azkaellon

>>96815044
...NTA, but you know vindicares still need LOS, and vehicles always block LOS right? Snipers are a terrible answer to techmarines, you want to try and hit them with pinning and panic artillery since you can't battlesmith if you're not allowed to move.

>>96815006

Sure, but a ~3% chance to chip D3 wounds off the 15W Phraetus escort is probably not worth the attention of most of your status weapons, since Malefic models are immune to negative mental stat modifiers. Closest you can get is 7.4% with the Effrit aura, as far as I'm aware. May as well plink with havoc launchers or equivalent stray weapons if possible, but I wouldn't use it as a generic counterstrategy as opposed to getting out of the way of the big slow stompy boys. It's a harder deathstar to deal with than most, since Pinning 3 has a pretty decent chance to leave any normal Primarch unit stationary for an entire turn and they typically take nonzero damage from Seekers or similar, but good positioning and screening handles them fine.

>>96814866
? Que¿
Where they going???? They aren't being sold right?????

What are Sicaran autocannons supposed to be shot at?

>>96815512
>Heavy infantry
>Light vehicles
>Dreadnoughts
None of these particularly well, mind you, but those are the usual best targets
Oh and planes if your opponent is running them

>>96815512
The enemy.

>>96815512
Xiphons, Ogryn, Ruinstorm brutes, Arvus

Getting there. Need to do some highlights and chipping, then do some basing. Do I keep them in shitty muddy ground like the rest of my dudes to represent the siege, or add in some bright, colourful flowers for something different?

>>96815791
I think they look amazing, a dark muddy base is probably gonna add more than enough contrast.

>>96799899
https://youtu.be/QwkNDDIPs68?si=8iulA6FKuAs3sBLc

>>96815512
Women, children, Word Bearers

>>96803004
Looks like Thai cum is back off the menu, boys.

(Guess where he was and what he was doing during his "time off")

Does anyone have any experience running a Leviathan in a drop pod this edition?

I have enough points and prime slots for a IH champion Leviathan and a drop pod for it to drop down and start screaming challenges and profanities, but I am afraid it will just end up being kited and do nothing (thanks, Heavy.)

>>96815408
Fightan

>>96816326
I love seeing AT and their terrain. This looks great. Maybe needs a tiny bit of scatter. I should make some 8mm sized terrain to get my ass in gear to actually play.

>>96816463
Those are 3+ armor now.

>>96816267
I haven't used one yet personally myself, but I have fought a leviathan and I will say it took 2 turns of 2 (albeit moving) land Raiders dropping the equivalent of 10 lascannons into it and the 4 men left of a melta tac sup squad to put it down, and that was with it footslogging with double autocannons, so I could see one dropping in your vulnerable backlines, flaming and phospexing a scoring unit, and overall being a problem from then on working well, with the usual caveats of master of signal/descent to guarantee the turn 2 drop

>>96816468
Also two wounds instead of 3 fucking finally so with damage 2 on the gun it kinda makes sense.

>>96816267
Just drop it on or near an objective, and people will be forced to deal with it.

>>96813240
Spoiler anon, do you have some updates?

>>96814367
>Lorgar and Phraetus
How to counter it with the Space Wolves?

Bossman and blastermaster throw over 20 hits at these two dogs for only 2 shields dropped

>>96816775
Just dont take a deathstar? Kill their spartan if you SUPER dont want them doing anything. Its a unit with heavy and movement 5, just walk away they literally cant stop you.

>>96816850
And if I want to take a deathstar of my own?

>>96816802
Sounds like some fun dice rolls :^)

>>96816883
Mass lightning claws I guess? Or the tried and true thunder hammers. Phraetus are just pretty damn good though so I wouldnt advise you to try manfight them.

A squad of 10 vets with TLC kills 3 phraetus before they can swing. The remaining two phraetus kill like what 3 vets? So russ + a 10 man command squad could do it I guess? Or russ + 10 terminators, but that seems kinda ass due to the cost.

>>96816914
Ok. Thanks.

>>96816850
no no, kill their transport and then bully them with Mind Burst, because they have to make the Fall Back Move automatically and Malefic doesn't swap it for Wounds, and then at the end of the Fall Back they test for Routed

making them run away from the one thing they're good at is funny, making them fall over and die at the end of that run is funnier, making them do both and not even triggering their flame shield is the funniest

>>96816883
Easiest solution is softening the enemy deathstar with some shooting, to stack the odds in your favour for when your own deathstar charges in.

>>96816850
>>96816914
>>96816992
>>96817049
So primarchs are not so strong now as they were in 2.0? How badly Russ was nerfd?

>>96817102
>So primarchs are not so strong now as they were in 2.0?
No, not nearly. Its mostly down to their army buffs being a lot less impressive (generally restricted to a niche turn 1 buff if you take certain troops and some prime slots). They are also uniformly capped at a 4++ now, can have their statistics modified by things like fear and phage and can fail status checks (so you can pin them, rout them and so on).

In combat theyre more or less the same, still nasty beatsticks and whatnot, some (like russ) suffer from the loss of brutal, but in general theyre still strong in combat. Its just that now theyre "just" a big combat dude for a lot of points, rather than potentially game warping.

Russ is still a strong combatant and still designed for duelling, but he isnt the omega best fighter or anything (for the points thats probably vulkan).

should I make a myrmidax mech list?

basically no robots (i think the only bots will be vulturax), lots of myrmidons in triaros tanks and units of servitors if need be

>>96816914

If you insist on doing it with a take-all-comers deathstar rather than actually tailoring your approach to your targets, ten hammer Varagyr will do it with weight of hammer attacks. The benefit of the Phraetus deathstar is that it doesn't give a fuck about morale or status, it's incredibly durable against shooting and it's a points-efficient takedown against smaller elite squads, but since they can't fit a max-sized squad in the Spartan and still include Lorgar it can't invest as many points as conventional Bulky (2) elite terminators can.

>>96816914

My maths has 10 TLC vets take down two phraetus, then lose 5 models to the remaining 3 because TLC Praetorian Chosen don't get an invuln, but yeah, they go pretty even. They're not unkillable, they're just good. Personally I prefer them in non-deathstar form because those S6 AP3 flamers actually kind of ruin things on deep strike, you can't reposition away from DSing units and they don't care about statuses because templates autohit and they swing last anyway.

>>96817148
>>96817102

The Prime slots they give can be pretty handy, admittedly. Vulkan giving FNP6+ to all his troops, White Scars giving them all Expendable or any traitor primarch piling on the Malefic can do some work. They're still not the nonsense machines they used to be, and thank the heavens for that. They are 400-500pt beatsticks that beat anything other than their brothers in a 1v1 duel and are very hard to kill without highly specialist tech, but they don't make your army twice as strong.

One odd quirk that the general flattening of Primarch support effects has produced is that a lot of the beatstick primarchs are nearly as good at army support as the others. Alpharius has pretty mediocre buffs, Angron has excellent ones because Fast on R1 is basically what you want with a World Eaters horde list.

>>96817165

It's pretty, stylish and has one of the only realistic chances of scoring lots of Vanguard with all those ranged units, but I recommend getting a bunch of Comptroller scoring from somewhere else because Myrms are all Vanguard, so you will really suffer on objectives. One neat quirk is that a Master Sarge myrmidon lord with a plasma fusil or a darkfire cannon is surprisingly good in a duel, since BS6 from cybertheurgy lets you unload critting plasma into peoples' faces every round. Free Legion Champion.

>>96816267
you're almost universally better off taking a levi in a kharybdis solely because you can still charge out of it (albeit disordered)

>tfw never actually read the melta rule because I never had melta weapons
>finally put some multi meltas on my thallax
>realize that melta only affects vehicles
I want a rewind of all those games where my opponent one shot my contemptors with a rhino

>>96817235
myrms having vanguard doesnt affect comptroller if thats what you're thinking, but does affect objs worth more than 1vp

which neccessarily isnt a bad thing as basically nothing is going to fuck with a block of them on a point
either they score 3vp, or 3vp basically

>>96817486
>myrms having vanguard doesnt affect comptroller if thats what you're thinking
Vanguard caps the points you score for objectives, comptroler and line modifies how much you score for objectives.

>>96817486
>myrms having vanguard doesnt affect comptroller if thats what you're thinking
YES IT DOES YOU RETARD
I KNOW IT'S YOU AND I KNOW I'VE TOLD YOU MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE
STOP CHEATING

>>96817534
You can't stop me.

>>96817511
>>96817534
no it doesnt, read vanguard and rules like comptroller carefully

>>96817646
I did fucker, how about you do, there is no possible reading to make this work.

>>96817711
the "regardless of that objectives value" in vanguard is the kicker, as the logic is:
>obj is worth 3 points
>vanguard makes it 1
>comptroller adds X to the amount you score, it does not increase the objectives value

>>96817759
That requires ignoring everything else.

Yes, vanguard specifies "regardless of objective value", but its not "this unit treats all objectives as value 1", it specifically states that a unit with the rule can only score one point for controlling the obkective.

Comptroller and line dont modify the value of an objective, but they do modify the amount you score for holding it (which vanguard states can only ever be 1 in the end)

>>96817782
I think we can agree they should FAQ it just to be sure

>>96817810
Sure, that couldnt hurt. I would rather they explain how malefic tanks work first.

>>96817782
Actually the funny thing is vanguard actually does work with line like the loophole the retard thinks works with comptroller, because line specifically doesn't add to the value for controlling objectives but just straight out gives you extra victory points for controlling an objective. That being said, as far as I can tell the only way to get this to happen is specifically daemon harriers and calvary, who have both vanguard 3 and can get up to 3 line from desecrators.

>>96798742 (OP)
How the fuck do you choose your legion? I can’t choose between iron warriors, death guard or ultramarines (just read first heretic & betrayer)

Fuck lads this is impossible

>>96798742 (OP)
What are some of the LEAST played legions?

>>96817979
Iron warriors sound really easy to paint. Just prime and wash.

>>96817991
White Scars, Raven Guard, Iron Hands, Night Lords, Thousand Sons.

>>96817825

If Comptroller DID work with Vanguard like that it would make Mech lists a lot more varied, since right now the vast majority of the squads I want to put Magi with are either Vanguard, Automata that can't score or fast enough that a Magos slows them down massively. Getting 3/3 Vanguard/Scoring out of Myrmidons would make a Myrmidax list much more attractive, but I don't think it does work that way.

Failing that it would be nice if the 30k Skitarii they previewed had unlocked Arcana, but I don't have high hopes.

>>96818006
Doesn't work for Daemons either; Vanguard means they only score 1 from Controlling. Desecrators doesn't exchange Vanguard for Line, so having Line for them is meaningless.

>>96817818
Other than Salamanders Deathstorm and Araknae and IW Arquitors, is there any other Vehicle that can take any Prime Advantage you want?

It seems pretty straightforward that you're meant to take 1 Damage 1 hit each time a Malefic Vehicle takes a Status, though I'm more interested in what would happen if a Transport could get Malefic. iirc they've taken Aetheric Dominions away from the Dark Mech units that used to have them, so I guess Daemon Tanks don't play fun with the Statuses.

>>96818302
AL land raider explorators.

>>96818310

If it works RAW (anything that would inflict statuses inflicts autowounds, vehicles don't have a wound characteristic and thus ignore autowounds) Malefic Explorators are actually quite good for them, because they have lots of mean, shooty glass cannon infantry they would love to roll up the board with while hopping in and out of an unglanceable transport to deny enemy shooting/charging. Still, more of a gimmick than anything else, most people aren't firing weapons that can glance at Raiders anyway.

>>96818432
Yes, RAW it works based on very specific wording (malefic says "wounds" rather than "damage"), but the fact that its a very side case interaction (and the fact that it relies on specific wording) means that its a case of "could use explaining as to whether its intentional/works"

>>96818468

Oh yeah, same with a bunch of stuff, it's very much in the should-be-in-the-FAQ category. Luckily it's a relatively minor case of that.

It is mildly odd that Alpha Legion likes Malefic more than almost any other legion due to minor quirks in the rules - Headhunters go nuts with Darkmech malefic buffs, Phraetus are great Rewards of Treason steals, their detachment makes it easy to line up a few daemon tanks. If I didn't know better I'd think Tzeentch was nudging them gently in an unpleasant direction, since despite being about daemon stuff Word Bearers don't actually have much that works with Malefic besides Lorgar being able to join Malefic squads.

>myrmidax trait makes an archmagos so fucking FAT that he cant go in a triaros with a unit of 6 myrmidons
WHYYYYYY

any 1e-heads here that can confirm you get as many attacks with a melta bomb as you have attacks?
it seems kind of silly that a vet can get like 4 melta bomb attacks on the charge each

>>96818701
fairly certain its a grenade and grenades can only ever make 1 attack no?

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>>96818701
1 each dawg