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The End Days of Magic Edition

>Most recent bracket system update
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025

>Outline article introducing the bracket system
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta

>Current banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper format
https://pdhhomebase.com/
https://www.pdhrec.com/

>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com
https://www.tappedout.net

>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Card search
https://scryfall.com

>Make custom cards
https://magicseteditor.boards.net
https://mtg.design
https://mtgcardsmith.com

>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheap
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>How to proxy using any printer
https://mtgprint.cardtrader.com

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What will you do with your collection when WotC finally kills this game?

I should eat my cards when Magic inevitably collapses. I may feel something when they shred my intestines apart.

>TQ
send all your worthless cards to me, obv

Only one thing can save UB now

Post your current deck line-up and other posters try and judge your personality:
>Bhaal, Lord of Murder (casual goad)
>Hearthhull, the Worldseed (lands combo)
>Thrun, the Last Troll (voltron enchantress)
>Bosh, Iron Golem (artifact battlecruisers)
>Yawgmoth, Thran Physician (combo-control)
>Emiel, the Blessed (blink etb goodstuff)
>Chatterfang, Squirrel General (storm)
>Sokrates, Athenian Teacher (pillowfort)
>Doran, the Siege Tower (boomer pile/toughness matters)

>>96803194
>still putting faith in westoid IP filled with cynical fanbases
don't deny the inevitable

>>96803208
I don't know how people live with so few decks

>>96803245
Oop, forgot I deconstructed Rowan

>>96803208
>you're in your late 30s
>you started playing Magic as a kid circa early 2000s
>you are a chill guy but can be competetive
>you used to play 60 card formats competitively

>>96803245
>you're in your mid 20s
>you started playing magic a little over 5 years ago
>you're a bracket autist
>you have an ultra expensive deckbox to carry your huge amount of decks
>you spend more than your means on cardboard

>>96803208
>Tidus, Yuna's Guardian (+1/+1 counters)
>Golbez, Crystal Collector (Artifacts, High Power, Self-Mill)
>Ureni of the Unwritten (Dwagons :3)
I used to have more, but I was mid-disassembling and making new ones when the disaster hit, so I've been recovering from that first. Not sure what I'll build next, maybe Black Waltz, Kuja, or Destined Black Mage.

>>96803320
>you're a bracket autist
newfags are the least likely to use brackets
oldfag competitive types are the most likely to use brackets because they're in practice just formats for the LGS to make money off of

>>96803328
>you're a tripfag
Says it all, you don't need to post your decks.

>>96803328
>swordbro thinks his golbez is high power

>>96803208
Based no-blue player

>>96803341
post it i gotta see this

>>96803320
Pretty much entirely wrong, unfortunately
But in particular I wanna hit
>>you're a bracket autist
Not in the least. I stay bracket 3 and under cos try-harding in a casual format is cuh-ringe
>>you have an ultra expensive deckbox to carry your huge amount of decks
Lmao no. All my deck boxes are the cheapest I can get, except 2 for my favorites. You think I can afford to waste money on a fucking box when I spend this much on cardboard?
>>you spend more than your means on cardboard
I spend CLOSE to my means :)

>>96803355
https://archidekt.com/decks/13425334/crystal_collection

>>96803307
Pretty accurate.
>34
>started 8th edition
>I'm not really competetive desu
>I used to play 60 card formats, but only at FNMs/game days. Never went to a high pressure tournament.

>>96803364
Loathe tripcunts, but I'd say this is "high-power"

>>96803364
>Ancient Tomb
>Urza's Saga
>Chrome Mox
>Lotus Petal
>Blue Urza
>Mox Amber
>Mox Opal
>KCI
>Ashnod's
>2-drop Dimir Commander that survives bolt
>TOR
>Mana Drain
>Fierce Guardianship
>Vampiric Tutor
>Demonic Tutor
Yeah looks really "low power" to me, faggot. The real problem is how many bad cards are mixed in with the good cards.

>>96803364
Taking a cursory glance, I can see a few combo lines here that result in either instant wins or at least milling/drawing his entire library.

https://mtgrocks.com/wizards-admits-to-mtg-spider-man-survey-mistake/

> Once MTG players saw this question, it didn’t take long for the outrage to spread. This question is so loaded that it’s hard to see it as anything other than blaming influencers for Spider Man’s poor reception. Immediately, this caused concerns that Wizards could stop being so friendly with influencers, which would be a worrying and dramatic shift.
Oh no no no ha ha ha ha

>>96803382
>it's high power faggot
>never mind the shit cards and the avg cmc being >3 that ultimately make the deck shit
lol
B4 is in practice cEDH, only with a waifu commander that you can't let go of like tifa martial artist or fallen out of meta favorites like prossh
>>96803394
any deck can combo out, it's the speed and reliability that matters and this deck doesn't have it

>>96803403
>Immediately, this caused concerns that Wizards could stop being so friendly with influencers
This is no one's concern except influencers.
Actually my concern was that WotC would make a concerted effort to whitelist only the most sycophantically positive Magic shills and orchestrate it so their channels beat the critics by giving them exclusive access and promotion to put them on top

But tomato tomato I guess

think about it

>>96802299
>stop playing for a while
>suddenly there's a bunch of old border foil upgrades I need to do
Judging by the pictures online this one seems to have been printed properly with the text and mana symbols unfoiled so that's good to see.

>>96803208
>
I broke down all my decks IRL and all but one of my lists is either unfinished or something I'm not happy with and don't want to play again. The one list is at 100 but still needs to be playtested before I actually buy the rest of it.

>>96803208
Brago
Squall
Ivy
Yuriko

>>96803409
>B4 is in practice cEDH

bracket 4 has no reason to exist

>>96803409
> >3cmc
>every card over 5 has an alternate cost like affinity, cost reduction, or outright is not meant to be cast
I think maybe you're too hung up on how much you hate swordfaggot.
>>96803515
This
Bracket 4 is just "I want to use broken cards but please don't beat me": the format.

>>96803515
correct, b4 a no man's land
even b1 is more of a place for absolute weirdos to be contained in than b4 is; b4 only appeals to waifu lovers and no one else

>>96803522
your pedantry won't make broodstar and apocalypse demon edh powerhouses btw

B4 exists to cater to tryhards who want to Do The Thing as efficiently as possible, but refuse to run any form of interaction in order to maximise Thing capabilities.

Isn't B4 just
>want to use whatever the fuck you like
>don't want to build a deck made to win as much as possible
Doesn't seem weird to me, especially for people who play on shit like TTS where price doesn't matter. Feels like the comfiest place for cards like Freed from the Real or Urza where you can go infinite with a slice of bread but don't actively try to rape everyone at the table (cEDH)

B2 has no reason to exist either. Precons are not consistent power level. And at what point does one become a 3. The only brackets that really exist are 3 and cedh

>>96803515
Bracket has no reason to exist because it's underspecified and has no concrete rules to separate it from cedh.
Where is the "I want to play Armaggedon because it fits into my deck but I'm not MLD tribal" bracket?

>>96803535
>b4 is for those who want to Do The Thing as efficiently as possible
incorrect, as thoracle blows any self-mill strategy out of the water and underworld breach is the best storm engine
if efficiency is the end all be all then might as well stop the denial and just admit to playing cedh

>>96803532
Do you think those cards are supposed to be cast?

There are retards out there right now in this very thread who think this card is MLD.

>>96803548
Well yes, for what purpose would there be nebulous brackets with vague notions and soft rules of engagements

>>96803549
>if cards can't be cast, that means they're edh powerhouses
lmao

>>96803559
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elevator_pitch

>>96803548
>autistic retard thinks brackets aren't just formats for the LGS to host FNMs and other tournaments
you have no business sense and no idea how money works

>>96803552
thank this specimen of physiognomy for pussyfooting and not just GCing the MLD cards he hates

>>96803565
holy fuck your dumb

>>96803563
>oldman nostalgia sloppa
50 is looking closer than 40. That's the only thing that these cards say about you

>>96803588
stop projecting scrub

>>96803588
>holy fuck your dumb
No! What happened to my dumb? Tell me anon, please!

>>96803590
almost, 40 is looking closer than 30

>>96803586
I fucking hate this annoying balding soillennial

>>96803552
Is this MLD or are you just unlucky?

>>96803341
I think it definitely leans in that direction, despite my commitment to some silly/less efficient cards I usually end up comboing off fairly early if things align alright. I will be the first to admit it definitely needs work, though, as it can stall out really hard in the wrong circumstances.
>>96803532
I'm just gonna respond to this because they're both just big bodies meant to be put in the grave for Golbez to rip out for big drains. There's probably better, or at least more on theme (such as Filigree Attendant) but like above, I have a funny commitment to old/stupid cards (in reference to Broodstar specifically).
>>96803588
Anon please tell us what happened to his dumb. I'm getting worried.

>>96803208
planeswalkers are for oathbreaker, playgroup wanted faster games. If anyone cares sig spells are thoughtcast the elderspell and glimpse of nature, because I'm a degenerate.

Post your favorite commander and your favorite song right now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFsJuYb42hw

>>96803482
at 7 cmc to get it off 10 if you want to immediately cast and combo it's just ......slow. there are better ways to UW and win faster.

>>96803709
https://youtu.be/YLgqgh7qAbU?si=EnW06YqAcHQeATNf

>>96803713
FYI that "si=" and everything after it is a tracking URL
Nothing to shit yourself over, but if you care about Youtube tracking who shares videos and who they share them with, you can delete it and it won't affect the link at all

>>96803709
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9mJ82x_l-E

>>96803726
Interesting. Thanks for the heads up.

>keeping on-thread: cracked a single Lost Caverns and got 2 chase cards. What a high.

>>96803728
I liked FIN saying which game a card was from, I guess this is fah habah

>>96803728
>song
So I hear you like Smashing Pumpkins, Rage Against the Machine, Alice in Chains, Placebo, and Muse?

>>96803754
more varied than that, perfect circle, monsters and men, tool, muse, imagine dragons, filter, cracker, depeche mode, duran duran etc. I'm an oldfag sadly.

>>96803208
I got a lot of decks in build rn because this isnt my ideal line up imo

What do you think?
Only 413$ and still in bracket 3.
Is this the right amount of tryhard for a high powered casual table?

>>96803836
>Yuriko
Delete the deck and try again

>>96803825
Man I remember when everyone was freaking about that Loot, calling him Power 9 on a stick lmao. What a fucking nothing-burger

I remember it was one of the only actual arguments I had at my old LGS, spergs saying Loot was fucking ban-worthy.
The other one was whether every new set needed garbage keyword slop

>>96803836
If you are too retarded to proxy up go play pokemon.

>>96803836
Vampiric Tutor instead of Demonic Tutor?

>>96803848
I will do that before buying.
>>96803842
no u
>>96803849
It shaves over 60 bucks since I already have it. Less top deck manipulation, but more immediate tutor for key pieces.

>>96803208
>post your deck and get insulted
lol no. fuck you

>>96803882
>WAAAHHH PEOPLE MIGHT NOT JERK ME OFF ON THE INTERNET SAVE ME NIGGERMAN

>>96803515
>brackets have no reason to exist
ftfy

>>96803887
I don't want you to jerk me off you flaming homosexual

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96803515
sure it does
cedh is about cheating out combo wins in the first 4 turns with all the fast mana and shit.
bracket 4 is the same deckbuilding style as the bracket 3 (i.e. normal commander) but without the same card restrictions.

A perfectly normal B3 pile with 5 gamechangers does not a cEDH deck make.

>>96803208
>Sephara, Sky's Blade (Flying Hatebear Tribal)
>Sephiroth, Fabled SOLDIER (Aristocrats)
>Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sima (4+ Power Value trample (Non-eldrazi))
Alexios, Diemos of Kosmos (Voltron)
>Halana and Alena, Partners (Non-Human Male +1/+1 counters)
>Lord of the Nazgûl (Wraith Copy and Clone Tribal)
>General Ferrous Rokiric (Boros Multicolored only)
>Gylwain, Casting Director (EtB Aura Enchantress)
>Lady Octopus, Inspired Inventor (Artifact Combo(Building))
>Aphelia, Viper Whisperer (Gorgon/Snake Tribal(Building))

I wonder what my fellow anons will think.

>>96803844
never understood the hype, a 6mana to draw 3 is the least of the broken things a commander can do. If you have the mana to cast and exhaust him you can do far more degenerate things.

>>96803933
Correct. And Crop Rotation should NOT be a game changer.

>>96803958
You enjoy putting your opponents faces in the mess they've made and making them smell it, much like training a dog.

>>96803996
Scarily accurate. I do like punishing my playgroup, whether it's because they're doing/playing something I don't like or because, they wouldn't suffer if they tried harder to stop me.

>>96803973
>b-but if you jump through all these hoops you can reuse the ability!!!!!
Man it was a whole fucking thing. They were arguing Agatha's Soul Cauldron, blink, everything you could think of. And the whole time I'm just saying that the amount of mana dumped into doing that completely negates any advantage

post commanders or cards that should have been reserved for digital only because of their complicated and abnoxious book keeping

>>96803208
I've got other decks but this is my main lineup right now. Have mostly been sticking with the mono color stuff lately but every now and then bring out something like Sefris or Coram.
Ivora is all the draw discard stuff I could fit to dig through my deck and make her bigger to go for commander damage.
Six is mono green reanimator and it gets out of hand very very fast.
Odric is simple mono white aggressive. Low mana curve with a bunch of mono white creatures with good combat keywords and some equipment.
Orvar is copying mana stuff until I can start casting and getting a bunch of copies of Caged Sun or Heraldic Banner to hit with Orvar or tokens in his color made by stuff like Master of Waves.
Sefris is dungeon stuff. Lots of fun but has a bunch of triggers that can drag games on so I only brig it out once in a blue moon at the end of a night.
Coram is Coram. He does his graveyard thing and with other creatures that care about the grave.

>>96804025
it is only natural for every playgroup to have a loving master that forces the group back on track. I run a monoblue orvar theft deck just for these cases, if one of the group puts forth that durdle game stall commander that doesn't do anything but annoy everyone I silently slide out my original commander choice and put orvar in.

Just like puppies some players need loving reinforcement that no 'pillowfort nobody gets to attack or cast more than once a turn' is not fun for us.

>>96803208
>Yawgmoth (Old Phyrexia Only)
>Lord Xander (Clones and Spell Copies)
>Rin and Seri (Cute Art Tribal, GF's Deck)
>Myrkul (Auras and Reanimator)
>Kadena (Card flipping jank)
>Grimgrin (Zombie Tribal)
>Malfegor (Madness, Hellbent, and Sacrifice Shenanigans)
I haven't updated any of my decks in a long while

>>96804060
whim of volrath with a couple cloudpost copies and cloud of faeries is my usual go to with orvar, rest of the deck is all etb steal and bounce on entry effects. People never expect mana ramp orvar to be a regulate game flow anti stall deck.

>>96804115
getting a 'I like doing my thing' vibe from that list, probably pretty chill if it doesn't work out.

I want more attention on MY post, tell me MY Magic horoscope :( >>96803266

>>96803208
New player (started July this year)
>Bello, Bard of the Brambles (precon upgraded into a modular +1/+1 core)
>Slimefoot and Squee (made from scratch with bulk and some sac outlets lol)

>>96804115
>Yawgmoth (old phyrexia only)
Post list, that sounds cool.

>>96804115
>>96804234
Seconding this. I'm currently building a phyrexian-themed deck.

Is there any way to make persistent petitioners work even in a precon pod?

>>96804252
They're specifically designed to be annoying little shits alongside Bruvac and my man Augustin. Pillow fort yourself to the max and stax people into the shadow realm.
>Augustin, Bruvac, and like 25-30 petitioners
>tithe, rhystic, propaganda, etc etc
>constantly mill people while they can't do shit due to the prohibitive costs

>>96804259
>>96804252
They work way better in Phenax. If he's out, they individually tap for Mill 3, but you can use them together for Mill 12 when he isn't. Combine this with The Water Crystal.

>>96803213
Weve had enough tranime in every aspect of media

>>96804395
>tranime
opinion discarded

>>96804400
Everyone ignores the opinions of all tranime sissies. You don't even need the perfunctory >opinion discarded

*enters the battlefield*
Well?

>>96804414
fuggen finally
time to kick the other two players in the stone age while we fight it out

>>96804414
>>96804430
"no"

>>96804438
you can't use counterspell to counter an ETB ability retard

>>96804507
hope you are baiting

>>96804507
be a bit more kind. he is very slow, being stuck up with a 25 year old cartoon that only got worse and worse over time and all that

>>96804080
slow your roll stormfag you WILL play 1 and ONLY 1 card per turn and you WILL have fun

>>96804414
We did this last time, grandpa. You still haven't adjusted your life counter for 3 after I won.

When will Wizards print pic related, or are they too scared it will become an instant staple?

>>96804408
>normalfagging this hard
You do know what site you're on, right?

>>96804557
a political activism one

>>96804557
Normalfags love tranime. youve been under a rock

>>96804414
I'll be winning on my turn, thanks.

>>96804538
Probably in Reality Fracture, and it will have Gay Bolas art.

>>96804557
Just because this used to be an anime site doesn't mean troons didn't make anime their entire identity, to the revulsion of sane people

>>96804579
Fuck I want to put that in a deck and give it to someone else.
I know of Sudden Substitution, but are there any other cards that will let me give an opponent control of a spell?

>>96804579
you will be whining on your turn, anon

>>96804557
I like Animes Beyond but only when its my Anime

> Does it resolve?
> oh none of you are playing blue?
> heh well I guess Ill be playing multiple extra turn spells
> nothing personnel

>>96804640
I will sacrifice my Academy Rector, putting Trouble in Pairs on to the battlefield

>>96804624
That's a nice spell, so nice you don't need to cast spells either. Now, would you like to die to a fling with Silence on the stack or in combat?

>>96804693
you don't have it

>>96804624
>>96804693
forgot pic

>>96804698
I always have it. The entire point of the deck is to sit on Fling/Fork to win at instant speed

>>96804710
You don't have it. Why don't you have it?

>>96804700
>>96804710
>i always have it
i already won and this is game two. why do you have so much stuff on board? are you a cheater?

>>96804719
>>96804724
I have a 4 mana creature while you're trying to resolve a 7 mana creature. I have it, I won, but I'm sorry you're angry. You should go to another pod.

>>96804710
Its just a reaction test.
You dont have it.

>>96804507
You can't counter an "on cast" ability like on Ulamog. ETB can be countered as usual.

>>96804719
It's because I ate it when he wasn't looking.

>>96804520
Uhh... thanks for the extra 4 cards bro

>>96804799
> dont eat the delicious cards
quirk chungus

Which way, white (border) man?

>>96804763
The Fling is on the stack and my copy of Silence has resolved. What would you like to do?

>>96804414
>Sylvan Primordial banned
>this isn't
Make. It. Make. Sense.

>>96804847
Once you go black you won't go back

>>96804414
you should probably read my cards. Anyways, a 7/7 trample for 7 is still decent.

>>96803403
apologize

>>96804981
>you should probably read my cards. Anyways, a 7/7 trample for 7 is still decent
X
A 7 cmc card better read "win the game if this resolves" or its junk

>>96804164
you like variety?

>>96805005
This is boomer logic. This was valid before 7+ mana is easy to hit on turn 3. 7 drops are the new 4 drops.

>>96805021
Silence, retard. Boomer logic is spending 7 mana for bullshit
Powercreep means 7CMC = win

>>96803403
>Am I so out of touch? No, it was the fans who were wrong

>>96804847
The one with the dragon going back

hi guys, need some advice on my mishra, eminent one deck. 6 cards are still missing. maybe you have an idea what cards to add or just say if this would work. thanks !

https://archidekt.com/decks/16814299/mishra_eminent_one

>>96803713
It's a travesty zangief/maarika isn't on mtgo.

>>96803194
Sanderson already have a deal with another company for game related stuff.

>>96803208
Flubs the Fool (burn)
Narset, enlightened exile (jeskai.dek)
Tifa, Martial Artist (aggro)
Oloro (pillowfort/illusions)
Zedruu (gift)
Xu-Ifit, osteoharmonizer (skeletons)
Skeleton ship (skeletons)
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord (skeletons)

Why haven't you taken the sub50 pill yet?

>no OP cards so you don't have games ending on turn 3
>no "commons only" so you can still build some fancy stuff
>bigger pool of cards to build from since you don't require the staples to always win

>>96805106
Forgot one, my newest obsession
>Kosei, penitent warlord (mono g voltron)

>>96804115
Thirding for Yawgmoth list.

>>96805046
That's a big wurm.

>>96805046
>8cmc for a generic beatstick
Those were the days.

Kosei I'd such a pick-me commander baka

>>96804598
Hive mind, but whit glorious end, you kill only the player before you.
>fuck that guy in particular

>>96805085
For RPGs sure. I don’t think you understand how licensing works.
Just look at Disney. Licensed Spider-Man, but oops- not for digital card games though, because Disney has a Marvel digital card game and it doesn’t want to compete with itself

What are the best red wincons?

>>96805330
Mizzix’s Mastery

>>96805330
Goblins, duh

>>96805330
magda
underworld breach

>>96805330
Insurrection
its like craterhoof, but way less work

>>96805330
Etali, Primal Conqueror

>>96803328
>the disaster
Don't be a fag. No one knows or cares what this is.

>>96803409
Gosh I wonder why this deck might have an above average cmc almost like it plays into the game plan and youre fucking braindead with swordbro hate

>>96803208
https://archidekt.com/decks/16040602/1212_mana_dork
Big stupid sea creature tribal.
https://archidekt.com/decks/15874801/gathering_fantasy_iv_2_the_final_evil_magic
I use my life and then make someone else pay for it.
https://archidekt.com/decks/16512719/urzas_urzas_2_the_movie
Urza tribal
https://archidekt.com/decks/16601611/sokrates_pilots_voltron
Azorius jank with Sokrates, the win con being making him big enough to swing for lethal commander damage by disabling Defender.
https://archidekt.com/decks/16796909/antiblue_tribal
Ruric Thar hates colors.
https://archidekt.com/decks/15114196/ultimate_slopdown_of_ultimate_evil
A deck I made as a joke initially, the sloppiest evil crossover possible with Phyrexians, Necrons, and Final Fantasy, but it's actually pretty strong.
https://archidekt.com/decks/16428686/belbes_xxl_spells
Belbe deck where the objective is to kill everyone with a big stupid X spell like Borrowing the East Wind. Little bit of Eldrazi because why not.
https://archidekt.com/decks/15997172/im_calling_the_police_because_you_keep_throwing_rox_at_me
I make rock and throw rock at people
https://archidekt.com/decks/16413444/thorn
The only net deck I use, some guy's Lord of Tresserhorn deck that I swapped some cards around in. You make him big and give him infect or double strike and kill people.

>>96805681
He got raped

>>96803578
What a beast of a non sequitur

>>96805106
pic related, it's you

>>96803208
>Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder(classic aristocrats)
>Yedora, Grave Gardener(animated lands combo)
>Rivaz of the Claw(Dragon reanimator)
>Umbris, Fear Manifest(Horror/exile Tribal)
>Radiant, Archangel(Flying tribal)
>Burakos/Folk Hero(unsleeved, rubber band deck)
>Hylda of the Icy Crown(tapping down shit)
>Lord Windgrace(MLD)

Thinking of building Wick and/or Ms. Bunbleflower next.

>>96803208
Judge me by my enemies

>>96805784
absolute cancer

>>96805806
rude

>>96803973
Its a strong card seeing play. I wouldn't say its ban worthy but people saying its not strong are very silly.

>>96805812
Nta, but he's not wrong. Your saving grace is that you likely run a burn deck, which means you have some manner of taste somewhere in your soul.

>>96805046
This was a game winning card doe

What is the best planeswalker to target with this? I have it and I habe a funky secret lair Lilliana so I wanna make a planeswalker deck with this wincon. Thanks amigas

>>96805812
so its not what your opponents running, but you yourself?
yikes

>>96805866
there's any number of planeswalkers with ultimates that essentially just read "win the game", pick your favourite.

>>96805866
Any planeswalker that has a broken as fuck ultimate, so most of them.

>>96805889
Theres so many planeswalkers I get overwhelmed >.<
>>96805904
Can you name some :D

>>96805924
Gay Bolas

>>96805812
>judge me
>not like that

>>96803208
>Tatyova, Benthic Druid (all commons, high tide combo)
>Rocco, Cabretti Caterer (all commons, creature good stuff)
>Gut, True Soul Zealot + Inspiring Leader (all commons, boros aggro)
>Tana, Bloodsower + Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator ($100 CEDH style midrange combos)
>Hearthhull, the Worldseed (unmodified precon)

>>96804119
>whim of volrath
I knew I was forgetting a buyback card or two that would work with him. I've been going with Mind Games but could definitely use another. I haven't gone too into land untapping, mostly just copying, but Cloud Of Faeries would definitely help as well. Thanks anon.

>>96803208
> Kess, Dissident Mage (spellslinger/ modal spell tribal)
> Wort, the Raidmother (spellslinger/ token and regrowth spam)
> Tetsuo, Imperial champion (voltron)
> Queen Marchesa (battle cruiser control)
> Ivora, insatiable heir (self-discard tribal/voltron)

Next decks I’m thinking is a kefka enchantress soft stax, mardu alesha weenie aggro/hatebears, and og bolas dragon tribal

R8 em gang

>>96806057
New to edh, not yet willing to blow loads on cardboard.

Escape while you can.

>>96806184
Yenna is a strictly better selesnya enchantress voltron

>Been trying to make a Twisted metal themed deck for a while now
>Dissapointed that the Sony Secret lair didn't have shit for TM
>The bonus card is fucking SOL RING Sweetooth car
I've never been more heartbroken. This is actually the worst outcome for me. Maybe it will motivate me to cement a deck though

>>96806184
apart from my raging hate boner for Atraxa, SOVL

>buy foils that are allegedly NM
>they arrive
>they're Pringles
I WAS LIED TO ABOUT THE CONDITION

>>96806395
Mint condition pringles, what’s the problem?

>>96804557
Based

>>96806395
You can fix pringling easy as shit.

>>96806369
I really want to see the movie

>>96806369
>bonus card is fucking SOL RING Sweetooth car
Funny. Would have thought they'd do something with an Aether Drift reskin. They shared what was going to be the bonus card? For which of the multiple Sony Secret Lair is that the bonus card?

All this deckposting really makes me want to brew more, thanks lads

I love outing newfags

>>96806395
That's how you know they're actually mint. The real pringles curve, only fresh from the booster.

>>96806395
>buy nm foil
>flat as my gf
>perfect condition
italian seller did me good this time.

>>96806490
I fucking love that art

>>96806494
so do I. this card got me hooked on magic back in 2003.

>>96806440
the TV show is fine if you watch it with adaptation expectations.
>>96806441
Its the card you get if you spend X on the sony stuff. I think the amount was ~190.
>Funny. Would have thought they'd do something with an Aether Drift reskin
They had so much shit to work with and they chose another sol ring reskin. It doesn't even fit the art.

>>96806490
beautiful
are clerics a cool.trb?

>>96806547
Same, but a week ago. I stopped doing it because I realized I dropped over $500 on a few order the last month of mainly just dollar to 5 dollar cards, and I could have just got a dual land instead.

>>96806490
Older foils arent as prone to curling. They changed the process at some point and also just increased how much of the card is foiled. On older ones its more highlights and frame. Newer ones its 100%. This along with humidity is the big issue.

I also have this in foil I love it

Plain playmat, or should it have my waifu Ugin of course on it?

Im in another country and Im gonna go to ye olde LGS. I saw photos of the place and they seem to have hot singles near me (Scrubland, FoW, Taiga, etc).

If I win at poker Im absolutely splurging on a foreign dual

>>96806707
plains playmat

>>96806718
>foreign
Why?

>>96806630
Clerics are fun because they get solid cards every year. tymna is one of the strongest commanders ever printed. together with Ravos she's a very good cleric commander. kaldheim brought some very sweet payoffs and so did FF. I still use a few Angels for the big payoffs but I'm getting there as a Cleric only deck.

>>96806739
Because Im a whale and I want to flex on people with expensive foreign cards

new bracket thingy.

>>96806771
wow it's fucking nothing

>>96806771
Imagine paying someone to make this

>>96806770
Are non-english cards more expensive over in burgerland? They are always cheaper in europe except for japanese sometimes.

>>96806771
By whom?

>>96806771
Extremely useful image for the BTFOing of "wuh wuh Bracket X shouldn't exist" fags

>>96806780
nah. their janny, rachel weeks, did it without compensation.

>>96806787
>Are non-english cards more expensive over in burgerland? They are always cheaper in europe except for japanese sometimes.
They are much rarer, so yes. Basically cant find them at all

>>96806777
>wow it's fucking nothing
no limit on tutors in b2 is a big thing
>Extremely useful image for the BTFOing of "wuh wuh Bracket X shouldn't exist" fags
at least B4 basically now has "you can't combo off until turn 5"

>>96806728
The new godless shrine one looks sweet. I wish the Eldrazi mats weren't $200 though.

>>96806800
Just send the image to a seller on aliexpress and you'll get it shipped for $15

guess who's back

>>96806816
>>96806840
>>96806854
>we actually removed the entire game changer list because if you're playing the bracket system rules around combos already exist

>>96806840
Angleshooters, we are so back

>>96806822
>he doesn't consooooom official product

>>96806816
>>96806840
>>96806854
>removed Deflecting Swat, Food Chain, and Vorinclex
What the fuck are they doing? How is Swat OK but Force of Will and Fierce Guardianship are still GC?

>>96806886
red is a weak color according to gavin. blue is too strong.

>>96806840
Why would they take these off the list??

>>96806892
gavin might be a basedboy sitting with his legs crossed but he is correct here

rhystic study is on the watch list for a possible ban.

>>96806892
>blue is too strong
>removes Urza
WHAT
ARE
YOU
DOING

"Rhystic Study is so iconic and beloved that we don't want to ban it."
WHAT
WHAT THE FUCK

>print $300 rhystic study in FF
>HEY GOYS SHOULD WE HECKIN BAN RHYSTIC STUDY
bahahaha wotc is so based

>>96806854
>free counterspells are okay actually as long as you also gain control of them after countering them
The one remotely good idea they had since wizards began to interfere with commander, and they've managed to undo half its value at a stroke
gg you retarded niggers

fuck thoracle

>>96806910
>>96806912
>all this crying when rhystic is already a GC
i swear these morons crying for rhystic ban are the ones that refuse to stay in their lane and just play b2

>>96806905
>>96806912
>>96806910
>ban Rhystic
>my foil stonks woild crater
Don't you fucking dare.

thassas oracle is on the ban watch list solely due to cEDH faggots complaining

>>96806921
real and true tbqhwyf
it's obviously a great card but mystic remora is better and that card isn't even a GC

>>96806926
sorry retard, you'll accept $3 for that bulk SHIT

Hybrid mana is changing? WTF uuuhhhhh

>>96806943
Be more specific right now

>>96806931
>cEDH faggots complaining
you mean casual faggots are complaining because any cEDH player worth their salt knows that breach is the much better kill

>>96806816
>>96806840
>>96806854
Are you shitting me?

>>96806944
>they are thinking about changing hybrid from AND to OR in regards to deckbuilding

>>96806950
>hybrid becomes OR for deck building
Holy shit that would simultaneously open up a lot of options AND fuck up a lot of things.

Red sucks ass btw

>>96806950
I mean sure whatever monocolour decks get a couple extra toys who cares

>>96806910
If you want Rhystic banned you have to pay Gavin the 2 (hundred dollar bribe)

>>96806771
This is very good

>>96803563
have you read three kingdoms or just larp as chinaman?

>>96806910
That has to be a joke. It's like one of the main cards people bitch about endlessly.

>>96806950
>>96806964
or wait, you mean multicolour hybrid-identity commanders have to PICK ONE? That's ultra incredibly nigger zest gay.

>>96806964
It's not about mono color. This means Izzet can run a Boros card, which could let you drop a shit supreme deluxe on people if executed correctly.

SIXTH BRACKET LETS GOOOOOOOOOO

>>96806974
the joke is that you can't be bothered to stay in your lane and just play bracket 2

>>96806950
Called it

You faggots better be buying up wish spells cos they’re also on the list of things WotC always said they’d change

>>96806950
Really? Of all the things that hadn't been something I thought they'd actually tackle.

>>96806968
Hi gavin

>>96806978
I mean, there's not THAT many purely hybrid-identity cards, is there?

>>96806978
>Izzet can run a Boros
Oh right. Yeah that is fucked.

>>96806978
Well that would be an awful change

>print more for-commander cards (modern, straight to commander lroducts)
>print more for-commander cards (FIRE legends, 5c commanders)
>change rules to print more for-commander cards (partner)
>change rules to print more for-commander cards (vehicles)
>change rules for more for-commander cards (hybrid color identity)
GIVING EDH CONTROL TO WORC WAS A MISTAKE I TELLS YA

>>96806950
but how does this affect the cEDH scene?

>>96806997
There's a bunch, and the problem is this means color identity is even more fucked.
>Izzet's deal is drawing cards and having some red gimmicks like burn
>NOW you can get access to other colors' gimmicks via hybrid cards
>your Izzet commander is now a 5c commander in disguise
>lol, lmao even

>>96806950
>>96806977
What the fuck?

>>96806961
Delet this

>>96807024
Godo Helm as a mono red forever deck would get some countermagic
Urza is the other best mono color, dont see much there
both Avatar AND Lorwyn have hybrid btw

>>96803152 (OP)
>tq
Keep playing with my friends until our friend group falls apart because our enjoyment of this game isn't being stuck in a capitalist hamster wheel endlessly consooming new product.

>>96806961
Axonil is one of the best cards in the existence of Magic though

>>96806997
avatar and lorwyn both likely to be hybrid heavy sets

>>96807024
Is there a number smaller than 0%?

>>96807060
>muh capitalism
>what is proxying btw

>Seedborn muse?
Game status: changed.
>Deflecting Swat? The best answer in Commander?
Game status: unchanged

>>96807060
What a weird post. Why is your friend group falling apart?

>>96807096
Deflecting Swat is also a game changer dumbass.

>>96803403
>no we have to keep being nice to people whose only criticism of our product are all emotional outrage personal opinions like the game's art is no longer what they want even though they're literal grey haired middle aged manchildren who have aged out of our target demographic years ago!

>>96807104
no it's not

>>96807104
>>96806854

>>96807104
Not anymore :)

>>96807104
haha look who's late to the party

Unpopular opinion perhaps but I like the idea of game changers and brackets in general even if the execution is still rough around the edges. I think a power level system is impossible and it's pointless to even try, but the game changer system has a few good things about it which I like, first and foremost it puts a brake on arms race mentality of cramming one generic staple after another, it forces players who want to remain in bracket 3 to think about which 3 of those staples are the most important to them, otherwise they have to commit to going full cEDH. The same is true for bracket 2 to a lesser extent.
It tells players either your jank is jank or you commit to bringing it up to the next power level and disincentivizes the arms race. For those reasons I think it's been a net positive for EDH deckbuilding.

>>96807104
Hahahahaha look at this dude

>>96807126
>>96807130
>>96807133
oh

>>96807159
if you can understand formats you can understand brackets
people that can't understand this need to remain in their basements

>>96807159
I agree with this post pretty much entirely which is why it's so ENTIRELY NIGGERPILLED that they just removed ten fucking cards from the list that ABSOLUTELY deserved to be there. Fucking Urza and Yuriko and Swat aren't gamechangers but crop rotation is? Fuck off wizards.

>0 mana cost
>lets you steal a spell
>can even be used as a plain vanilla counterspell by just redirecting the enemy counter to target Swat
How in the unholy fuck is this not a GC?

>>96807185
red a shit
>t. Gavin

>>96806950
Deathrite Shaman would presumably still be green black though wouldn't he? Considering he's got green and black in his text separately. While Rhys The Redeemed has hybrid costs throughout. Or are they just saying "fuck it it's all the same?"

>>96807184
>oh no without croprot i lose a few percentage points stomping people with green in bracket 2
kekw

Commanders should not be gamechangers. 99 matters more than 1. One doesnt dictate 99. Most of you are just seething cause cards you like got hit and you want to play in b2 like Nancy pants faggots 3/4 is the best place to play. I cant think of a single card on GC that doesnt deserve to be there really.

>>96807194
They're saying if a card has a hybrid cost, that's all that matters. Pips in the text don't matter anymore. You simply can't use those abilities since you wouldn't have the mana for them (unless you have a 5c mana rocks or land).

>>96806840
Let me guess, their reasoning for taking these off the lists is:

Dies to removal

Reminder that only turbo autists who play with random turbo autists like themselves care about the bracket system, GC and Ban list, which is entirely not the point of the format.

>>96806840
I fundamentally disagree with Kinnan and Winota not being gamechangers, Yuriko too to a lesser extent. The whole point, at least for me, of those cards being gamechangers is telling those building them that they have to commit to playing at a big boy's table with those decks rather than using some of the most generically powerfull commanders ever printed and then going like "Oh but my build is totally just jank bro". There's no way a Winota deck can ever be bracket 2. Urza is ok I guess.

>>96807223
can't I just throw in some rainbow lands and droks?

Next Dan Frazier SL when?

>>96807240
>he doesn't run interaction
guess you can't ignore the board now huh lmao

>>96807223
>Pips in the text don't matter anymore.
Holy fuck that's quite a change. Felware Stone and Chromatic Lantern would prove more useful if that happens. But this would really change up deck building.

>>96807008
don't forget the upcoming sideboard changes
with potential new commander staple sideboard cards

>>96807249
Exactly my point. Everything is 5c now.

>>96807244
but enough about 60 cards

>>96807223
Where? What youre saying is completely different from what everuone else is saying about it

>viewer asks if we can rule out off-color fetchlands
>gavin tells him to fuck off in corp speak
based

>>96807200
more like
>oh no my opponent got 2% value the game has changed
versus
>free counterspell that also steals lmao

>>96807289
>oh no i need to take red more seriously now
lol imagine a green player being this salty

>>96807288
off colour fetches ARE for powergamers thougheverbeit

>>96807298
fuck off
>t. gavin

>>96807116
That is not the implication at all.

>>96806970
I've played multiple dynasty warriors games and watched the 2010 show. I've never read the book though

>>96807223
>>96807194
No, they were using these three cards as examples of certain uses of hybrid and how they'd change. Rhys would be green, white, or green-white. Beseech would be allowed as a colourless card. DRS is still GB-only because of the pips in its box.

>>96806905
>banning glowrider with downside
Just pay the one, If this card gets banned, I'll laugh because it's an admission that edh players are bad at the game.

>>96807324
Important to note they're even more unsure about twobrid mana being allowed as colourless, by the way, so it could be that twobrid has to be the actual colour regardless.

>>96807223
>Pips in the text don't matter anymore
Wait you mean this guy is fine in mono green if things play out the way they're talking?

>>96806950
Interesting...

>>96807342
Pips do matter, that guy's literally just lying.

>>96806950
This would be a bad change imo, color identity is the only thing holding this shit show together and hybrid cards tend to be 2 color in effect

>>96807346
Oh ok. That makes a lot more sense. If the pips got removed from the equation then a lot of stuff would just be on the table now.

BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW BUY NOW

>>96807345
Oh fuck my ass that means Ulalek's cancer can be in a Zhulodok deck.

The first is Rhystic Study.

This is a very iconic Commander card. "Do you pay the one?" is baked into so many references around the format. It's one of the most snowbally card-advantage engines in all of Commander. Many casual games where it's played let the Rhystic player run away with the game as people just cast spells into it. At higher bracket play, like cEDH, it causes huge issues.

However, as far as we can tell, it's loved by many. It's not quite as iconic to the format as Sol Ring, but it's not that far off either.

>>96807345
Zhulodok bros win again

>>96807360
>guaranteed reprint imminent
>buy now
is this /biz/?

>>96807359
Yeah, it's specifically for "if something's colour identity is defined only by hybrid mana, it can count as either or for the purposes of deckbuilding". Commander colour identity is unchanged, Rhys is still a GW commander but could fit in a mono-green or mono-white deck with this, etc.

>>96807321
if you're not going to engage with the original text, then at least watch the 1994 show

>>96807381
We already saw Sygg. He's not getting reprinted, he's got a new card.

Mono white bros how are we feeling about our new extra combat spell?

>>96807379
Ah, yes, the combo player card.

>>96807379
>Rhystic Study presents awful gameplay
>but it's iconic so fuck you guys
Sol Ring 2

>>96807395
>lets ignore commander decks
>lets ignore the super special sheet
>they wont print the same character multiple times in the same set
spiderman exists you know.

>>96807379
>At higher bracket play, like cEDH, it causes huge issues.
reminder that rhystic was less of an issue when crypt jewlotus and dockside were still legal and the meta as a whole was better back then too

>>96807418
rhystic study in every blue precon when?

Bros, what the fuck is going on with WotC playstesters? Did they hired a bunch of randos to come up with shit on the spot?

>>96807420
The commander decks for lorwyn are 5c elementals and jund -1/-1 counters. No way he gets reprinted there

>>96807438
>Rhystic Study becomes a 5 dollar card with all the prints

Honestly, a good deal

>>96807440
Nosewater and Verhey have TikToks to make while the corporation does what's best for investors.

>>96807440
i'm going to listen to wotc 100% of the time instead of a rando like (You) though

Wait so is the rules change actually in effect or were they just putting out feelers

>>96807393
how does it compare with 2010?

>>96807461
The only actual changes are the cards removed from the GC list and the slightly updated bracket definitions >>96806771

Everything else is "maybe someday, maybe not"

>>96807379
The only people who get whooped by it, are combo players who do 4-5 cards in one turn. Meanwhile, the Timmy player drop a boss monster in one and don't even bother with the 1

so vorinclex is now a bracket 2 commander right? just might make my first mono green deck

>>96807483
Vorinclex always sucked ass. Build away Timmy

>>96807461
It's being discussed and they're putting it out to ask how people feel. The least likely thing to happen will be twobrid getting allowed anywhere, because they feel that kinda breaks the spirit of twobrid a bit.

>>96807483
Vorinclex sucks dick
It didnt make the cut for my bant list

>>96807491
>>96807505
sounds perfect for low power brackets then

Why *clap* the *clap* fuck *clap* is *clap* Sylvan *clap* Primordial *clap* still *clap* ban

>>96807585
they'll unban them and emrakul too in 2026, trust

>>96807538
Vorinclex is MLD, no point in him being a GC.

>>96807585
because gavin said no more bans/unbans in 2025

>>96806771
>tutors, which eliminates the RNG from your deck and ensures you have a massive advantage over other decks that don't run them since you can consistently find your win conditions and include less cards of a certain type like removal since you can just dig for one if you think you'll need it, are still absolutely fine at any bracket level

Absolutely worthless system

Imagine tutoring for a removal spell

>>96807621
>still absolutely
you need to get your eyes checked. they said tutors are fine so they removed every tutor related restriction. they buffed tutors.

>>96807641
That is a thing you are allowed to do when you arent playing a meta with people trying to win on turn 4.

>>96807621
>anti tutorfags absolutely seething
This was the most based part of the update

Allowing hybrid mana is monocolors is just stupid as hell and breaks the color pie. There is a reason they were HYBRID to begin with.

>>96806926
Tranime incel cards, just so creepy and weird to own these.

>>96807621
>>96807655
guess which tribe got a solution to this.

>>96807714
Found the fatass who seethed because my OHOHOHOHO~ Tithe ruined his plans.

>>96807641
Imagine being able to pull whatever card you need to deal with the exact board state currently on the table without having to include 3+ redundancies off it to hope you pull it when you need it

Some of you stupid faggots I swear to God lmao it's no wonder pictures of ninja turtles on cards triggers so many of you

>>96807621
>seething about diabolic tutor
get fucked HAHA

>>96806950
>every single deck gets a colorless tutor
Jesus christ...

>>96807881
>6C and has limitations
Honestly not the worst thing ever, but I'll slap it in my Zhulodok deck because another tutor never hurts.

>>96807702
This is the developers slowly trying to erase the pie because it always a poorly thought out and implemented mechanic created by some boomer autists who really had no idea what they were doing because they were creating something which hadn't existed before and they had no concept or example of what is and isn't good TCG design so they arbitrarily locked fundamental game mechanics like draw ramp removal etc behind certain colors instead of giving every color equal access to fundamental game mechanics but changing how they pay for/implement them. They tried to bandaid the problem by spamming out myriad 3/all color commanders so players could build decks that have access to all the fundamentals but this has lead to a stagnation of the game where every deck winds up playing the same cards and the design team is rapidly running out of design space by having to rely on making 3 color/WURBG commanders in order for players to build functioning decks. Eventually they will allow all colors to have access to important mechanics without having to jump through hoops but they have to do it slowly because they're burdened by a 30+ year old fanbase filled with conservative retarded losers for whom the game is a central part of their lives so they need to boil the dumbass frogs because they can't make positive change outright
>inb4 THIS IS STUPID MAGIC ISN'T COMMANDER MUH OTHER FORMATS
Yes Magic is commander, every other format is dead in paper because the overwhelming majority of the player base didn't like them and switched to commander the moment it became available so considerations for the other formats is also a retarded waste of time

>>96807702
Nothing ever stopped anyone from playing hybrid cards in mono color decks in any other format. Are commanderfags all this stupid? The color identity rule does not exist anywhere else.

>go to new lgs
>huge nu-gay flag in window, ya know the one with black brown trans and some weird yellow symbol on it
>decide not to go in
It usually doesn't stop me but it did today
They keep adding shit to this flag lmao

How angry must WotC be to be stuck with a multiyear several sets deal for the dead boomer Marvel capeshit IP? 5 more sets of Marvel slop, why did Maro think we wanted this?

>>96807702
Right? We should ban extort

>>96807288
You can though? The updated bracket image quite clearly enshrined rule 0

>>96807999
Yes.

Can't wait to put dovescape in my WG tokens deck

>>96807987
There's gonna be 2 after Super Heroes at most, if not just 1. X-Men's nigh-guaranteed and they they MIGHT do a fourth set with a Cosmic theme with Thanos as some central 'thing'.

>>96807621
>less cards of a certain type
Pretty retarded deckbuilding right here.
>should have ~15 pieces of interaction
>ermmm i have a tutor so now I only need 8!
Like what? Youre retarded.

>>96807942
Its more the designers pandering to an increasingly stupid playerbase as the younger generation comes in and is completely unable to deal with the game as it is without crying about every aspect that requires some thought.

>>96807024
Manamorphose would be a crazy autoinclude for Ral storm decks.

>>96807760
No I was just pointing out the creepy tranime art work on the cards.

>>96807942
no, it's because they can't sell ws many cards if there are deck building restrictions
the more easily generic and easily slottable the card, the better it sells
the more narrow, the worse
openings up deck building means players can use more cards so they can buy more cards
also why all the recent 5c slop cards are slop

>The proposal would be that, strictly for the purposes of deck building, you can treat a hybrid symbol as either of its two colors. So, Rhys the Redeemed could go into a white deck, a green deck, or be the commander for a green and white deck. It still looks at the rest of the mana symbols on the card as normal, so a card like Deathrite Shaman would remain ineligible for a mono-black deck because it has a green symbol in the text box.

>This would be one of the largest changes to the format since the tuck rule many years ago, and would allow for cards like Waves of Aggression to suddenly be playable in mono-white, for example.

Removing the tuck rule was the biggest mistake this "counsel" ever did. Every year we stray further from God.

>>96808022
>as if randos will agree to your autism to ban off-color fetches
lol

>>96808193
The tuck rule was cringe as fuck and made blue even more overpowered than it already was.

The more they fuck with these rules, the more I realize hardcore MLD+Stax in bracket 4 is the meta answer to make them realize these were mistakes.

>>96808242
This idiot actually believes this

>>96808215
Most rule 0s are in a dedicated pod of friends. Weird to try that with randos mr overly invested and not at all seething anon

>>96808272
Please go ahead and explain how being allowed to effectively remove the card that is the entire purpose of the format permanently from the game for 2-3 mana is fair.

Tuck rule? What about the buck rule?

>>96808272
it just forced everyone to run tutors to counter it
tutors are already cancer to commander, no need to make them virtually necessary

>>96808264
How would this make anyone realize anything
>heh ill play things where they are allowed ans fair that'll show them

>>96808193
Yeah tuck was the first evidence of commander devolving into build around me non-sense.
Hybrid mana symbols probably arent a huge deal in themselves but they are kicking at the foundations of color identity which is the heart and soul of the format
>stay further from God
Same as it ever was
Same as it ever was

>>96808325
Letting blue faggots (and the rare white player running Oblation) completely remove what was supposed to be the cornerstone or the big bomb of your deck with a 2-3 mana spell is gay and always has been. I understand that it scares you immensely when other people get to play the card game, but it was gay and nobody liked it except for blue fags.

>>96808273
brackets are for randos and rule zero is for your friends you dense fuck
if you can convince randos to bend to your autism then great, but given the retardation you've displayed i fully expect that you'll convince nobody lmao

>>96808288
This card causes immense seething for good reason, really.

>>96808288
I love this card like you wouldn't believe.
>cheap
>barely anyone is smart enough to run enchantment removal
>permanently deletes a commander

>>96808281
Because it forces you to design your deck so it's now always general required. There are plenty of cards that do that without tucking it, like Declaration of Naught or Imprisoned in the Moon.

If you can't deal with your general getting tucked, then build some protection, counters, tutors, etc. It's NBD.

>>96808357
Brackets are for everyone and rule zero is for everyone but best utilized in your friend group. Any other view is wrong.

>>96806950
Now all they have to do is get away with the pesky color identity rules in the first place and allow all decks to play every color.

>>96808281
The blue part specifically is a dumb thing to the best ones were white
>>96808302
Everyone runs tutors anyway.
The format was better when you had to build a deck that at least somewhat functions without your commander. The death trigger change, while it helps my child of alara, is similarly cringe.

>>96808303
Because with everyone running Vorinclex in bracket 2, or color-pie breaking hybrid cards you need more of an edge than ever. That's MLD+Stax because it beats everything else because "muh fun." Well it's not very fun to have decks getting access to spells they shouldn't and now I have to completely rebuild a bunch of my decks to deal with it.

>>96806751
I know that much at least, I already have a rogues list and I get my decent share of clerics for my Burakros list. Besides the rogues, clerics are my favourite members of the party, I maybe should really get around making a deck for those healers

>>96808354
White and blue should have access to tucking your general, and you're just a bad deck builder if you can't deal with your "I don't run draw spells in my deck because I always have my general" general getting put in time out.

>>96808442
You sound like a retarded fag not smart enough to abuse the system hes trying to abuse. Mld+stax also doesnt "beat everything"

>>96808354
>supposed to be the cornerstone of your deck
This is the kinda newfag shit that's ruining the format.
At least they are printing more of those darksteel mutation like cards. Its a small concession but Ill take it

>>96806771
>one fifth of that scale is reversed for an essentially entirely different format
Completely worthless garbage, holy fucking shit

>>96808468
This is the kind of person tuck is championed by as you can see its a good thing its gone.

>>96808013
Hate this rule exception so fucking much, because it was just rule fuckery coping to begin with

>>96808480
2 actually. Retard. And it makes sense. Why is it bad?

>>96806771
>bracket 1 is still basically a worthless distinction from bracket 2
>there are still no brackets that explicitly ban combofags
>bracket 5 has no meaningful distinction from bracket 4
You guys had like 9 months to cook and it's stillborn

>>96806840
Holy shit wtf happened?!
Its like we are being governed by people who dont actually play

So uh, none of these changes are happening, right?

>>96808474
Name a strategy more reliable in bracket 4. Nobody runs protection against it because it's frowned upon to run it in the first place.

>>96808491
Not an argument.

>>96808554
L...late april fools day joke? Right?

>>96808491
Hes right though

>>96808559
belzenlok, aka godo's ugly cousin

>>96808559
All of them. Mld+stax (weird combo BTW!) Is just a boogeyman to you lmao. An incredibly weak one.

>>96806886
Because free counter spells are infinitely better than free redirects, Mr. Mouthbreatherman

>>96803037
This isn't how overload works. It would have to read "Each instant or sorcery card in your hand with only a single target"

>>96808421
You realize the best answer is instead changing your commander to one that generates resources without asking you to do anything then making your 99 a goodstuff pile, right?

>>96808564
It is. You should only listen to people who present themselves in a positive way. You did not, therefore your opinion is likewise garbage.

>>96806913
>pretending online to be retarded

>bracket 3
>at least 6 turns
These guys literally dont play, my cedh games frequently went to 6.

>>96808631
"at least" means "minimum" i.e. the fastest game in the bracket shouldn't be over before turn X (freak godhands nonwithstanding)

>>96808620
If your orzhov aristocrats deck doesnt function without teysa you have built you most likely built a complete shitpile

>>96808621
catastrophically based post
people with bad self-presentation should NOT be acknowledged ever

>>96808631
if you're even capable of a small amount of forward thinking you should be treating this as a sign that they'll unban jewlotus dockside and crypt in 2026 so that cedh can combo correctly again and not be a midrange hellhole

>>96808620
>You realize the best answer is instead changing your commander to one that generates resources without asking you to do anything then making your 99 a goodstuff pile, right?

>don't try and play the commander you want, or the cards you want, just play the most card-advantage generals and never have to step outside of your deckbuilding boundaries because nobody can mess with my genny!

>>96808643
It may as well say turn 4 then
Turn 6 is insanely early for an upgraded precon

What are they afraid of, bros?

>>96808671
FREE MY NIGGA MANA CRYPT

>>96808675
>It may as well say turn 4 then
that's bracket 4, it's now a home for one-trick combos from the command zone
>Turn 6 is insanely early for an upgraded precon
if you watched the stream they said they're decoupling from precons, aka don't use precons in arguments anymore

>>96806771
it took them how long to put out a chart that is practically the same as the first?

>>96808671
Dont you hit me with that evil
Mtgo is infinitely more playable with crypt gone, you have no idea how cancer it was to have sol ring and crypt in every casual deck because it was dirt cheap

>>96808697
What kills me is somehow Gaea's Cradle is fine, but the zesty elf is banned.

>>96808631
Cedh games going to t6 feels like an eternity. Its not the ideal. It does happen though obviously.

>>96808722
they don't balance for mtgo btw

>>96808723
Well one of them can be your commander
And the other is a land that taps for no mana if you have no creatures out
You do the math

>>96808438
the most obnoxious decks are consistently the generic goodstuff pile decks with an equally generic draw or ramp commander

most of the time if someone's deck relies on their commander hard it tends to be a lot more gimmicky

rather not deckbuilding encourages the former

>>96808734
If they are relying on USD to balance the format, we have a huge problem that needs to be addressed.

>>96808768
there's already a solution, it's called proxying
or, you know, to live within your means nad be content in bracket 2
or just not be a poorfag

Damn.. blue really hit the wall...

https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/secret-lair-countdown-kit-an-encyclopedia-of-magic

Is all of the art going to be over the top bullshit like pic related or is it going to be worth buying?

>>96808752
It wasnt that way with tuck, at worst it kept stuff like zur from going 110% in on their general.
granted they have double and tripled down on build around me decks since they changed how tuck works but I still stand by my assessment

>>96808798
at the cost of helping zur out, it also makes a lot of niche commanders actually viable, especially in colors where dealing with your commander getting tucked was harder

and you know as well as me there's a good amount of blue players out there who primarily get their kicks off of preventing 1 person at the table from playing the game, no need to give them even more ammo

Tuck was genuinely the worst thing ever and bringing it back would just make decks more generic.
>but 15 years ago!!!
Games changed alot.

>>96808785
Or you could balance the format around, ya know, the cards instead of letting prices soft ban them for you.
Which is obviously what I meant, if you even bothered to read my posts.

>>96806771
>wins OR loses
Fuckssake
Their heart is in the right place, but this basically means any kind of aggressive deck gets shifted up at least one bracket unnecessarily.
I have played an out-of-the-box ff7 precon (well, out of the box except that I swapped to the secondary commander, Tifa) that killed somebody on turn 5 with an average hand, and this would imply that that makes it bracket 4, this deck that I keep around to play with other precons and has a sub 25% winrate against other people playing precon and precon level decks.
Aggressive decks, voltron etc, have always been functioned off the assumption that they could kill a problem player relatively quickly, but victory requires a few more turns afterwards. They are more often than not, not even good for their bracket, because of how telegraphed they are and how fragile their strategies are. Voltron particularly basically -requires- you to kill people one turn at a time. So in order to have a bracket 2 voltron deck, you'd only be "allowed" to start killing people on turn 9, at which point every other deck is starting to be able to win the entire game outright.

>>96808841
>the poorfag wants to sweat in cedh
live within your means and be content in b2
let me guess, you want rhystic to be banned too because it's too expensive for being a staple in b3+ right? lol

>>96808854
You didnt read the chain, go ahead and do that before replying

>>96808853
if you watched the stream gavin says voltron and aggro taking out one (1) player a turn earlier than "expected" is fine, as if voltron and aggro need any more nerfs

I fucking love people paying the one
I would never ever do it myself thoughbeit

>>96808794
>$200 for "lol I dunno it's a surprise!"
What an absolute scam.

>>96808859
>These guys literally dont play, my cedh games frequently went to 6.
>therefore wotc should print crypt into oblivion
my sides

>>96808871
They always reveal all cards by the times they become available for purchase.
Except for the secret extra cards that aren't advertised anyway.

>>96808863
Oh goody, I can lose to the last guy then.
Is there anybody more oppressed than us voltronfags? I don't think so.

>>96808864
>go out of my way to pay the one even when it sets me back
>other opponents refuse to pay the one and attack me since I'm behind

>>96808879
No, dipshit. I said im glad crypt was banned because playing against it in every deck regardless of powerlevel, which was the reality on mtgo, showed just how much it needed to be banned.
I have no idea how you came to the opposite conclusion

>>96808903
voltron is a legit backup strat but never a good primary game plan

>>96808917
that's the fault of mtgo not being able to enforce brackets correctly, but again, wotc doesn't balance the game around software made in 2002

>>96808920
Yeah even down to the reason it was implemented in the first place

>>96808264
How come salty bitches always turn to these two particular archetypes when they get booty blasted? It's never consistent strong combos. Always the fucking stax and mld package like they're the first gigabrain to figure out you can actually use the tools forbidden by social contract. Stax loses with the bracket you want to take it into. A lot. It's hard to effectively lock three other strong decks out of the game. Especially when they're aiming most of their removal at your pieces that stop their gameplan.

MLD sucks too. Armageddon and Ravages of War are not cEDH staple cards for a good reason.

good news today for every retard who likes windmill slamming their kill on sight commander on curve.

>>96808930
Let me take a wild guess here
>cedh player mad they actually have to play the game
Sorry crypt and the antisemetic goblin arent coming back

>>96808853
>my precon killed some t5 wasnt even a good hand
Absurd thing to lie about lol

>>96808957
That's me
What good news is there?

>>96808976
You now have the best protection spell in the game for your slop commander at no deckbuilding cost

I never pay the 1 I just kill you first while my opponents are behind

>>96809003
>doesn't pay
>he fuels the blue player who will bring about his demise

>>96808962
unfortunately for you hasbro is on the verge of bankruptcy and they need mtg to pump out every chase card possible to keep afloat lol

>>96808864
>spend 10 minutes explaining to new player the philosophy behind paying the 1
>agree to pay
>I pay the 1
>other guy pays the 1
>new players turn
>he doesn't pay the 1
>we clobber him next turn im retaliation

How do we like Kilo? I want to abuse my friends with Parallax Tide and he seems to be one of the less gay proliferators.

1
artifact
Protection from players that own islands on the battlefield.
If a player would have you pay mana for any reason, you may pay with that player's life instead.

>>96809017
kino

>>96809017
Mental mistep

>>96808967
Not him but ff7 precon Tifa can do it without too much of a problem I've killed people quickly with the same stock list. You bump her power a little bit which the deck has no shortage of and anyone without a blocker just dies to commander damage.

>>96809015
>we
Kill yourself

>>96809015
same as every other proliferator
there just aren't enough good cards with interesting counters in the game to make something that isn't either infect slop or +1/+1 slop

>should make the game simpler
>actually protracts the game since most players can't handle the extra information and tie themselves in knots

>expropriate is no longer a game changer
Neat, my group hug can go back to the same list I had before brackets

Picrel is my commander. Are there any alternatives? Like a legendary creature in dimir creating an artifact token or fetching an artifact when something dies?

>>96809066
No artifact token slop is a relatively new abomination
Give it it some time

>>96809066
seems like a card that might go into golbez

>>96808952
>MLD sucks too. Armageddon and Ravages of War are not cEDH staple cards for a good reason.
>if it's not in cEDH it's not good!
This is your brain on competitive magic.

>>96807942
Nah, fuck off. The color pie was a great system before FIRE rolled around and they started erasing color identity.

>>96808917
This is just the 4th player gameplay loop
good luck have fun trying to win with most likely one less turn than everyone else

>>96809066
I love these bloodborne-looking mfs, but their mechanics sadly don't allign with my playstyle most of the time

>>96809151
You are missing out. It's loads of fun to play.

>>96808997
What spell what happened

>>96809169
I like the idea of Clue and Blood tokens, but they feel too costly to play effectively, and there isn't enough fun synergy (unless you're right and I'm genuinely missing out)

>>96809132
>so lets make it 3x worse
No

>>96809182
nta but clue tokens aren't bad at all
there's all kinds of good shit you can do with draw on demand, and the direct clue-token-synergies are just gravy at that point

>>96809066
Venser

>>96809099
>god forbid rakdos has a way to destroy enchantments
black still can't destroy artifacts btw

>>96809099
Erasing color identity is only good if time spiral does it

>>96809182
Guess it depends on what you consider fun. March of the machines with a blood artist or zulaport cutthroat, mechanized production, tezzeret master of the bridge, cyberdrive awakener... All very satisfying as you sac your way to stupidly long turns while you drain your opponent when your "token artifact creature" dying activates five cards and occasionally piss him off with a counterspell or boardwipe.

>>96809229
Yes. As a novelty its fun and interesting. As a design philosophy it takes out a great deal of what makes magic magic.

>>96809250
Fair enough. Time spiral block can do no wrong anyway because the wedge primevals were cool.

Why do YOU, YES, YOU ANON, even play “competitive” commander?
I’m being dead serious here, why would anyone choose a free-for-all four-player brawl as their """competitive""" format? It’s just retarded. More than half of your losses aren’t even your fault, they’re handed to you thanks to table politics, hidden deals, and plain incompetence of 1 or 2 players.
Explain this to me, bro

>>96808468
>removing your commander permanently from the game (unless you run a bunch of tutors like a fag) is good game design

Anon, tucking was lame, it was never fun or fair

>>96809088
Categorically yes.

>>96809288
Not being able to beat a tuck just means you built your deck like a dumb ape. Are you saying you can't even cut your reliquary tower for a high market to sac your commander in response to oblation?

>>96809313
>What do you MEAN you aren't running (this specific card) that stops me from shitting all over your deck

Not everyone runs High Market.

>>96809312
Not really, CEDH is so far away from anything even remotely resembling MTG at this point that it should not be brought up in discussions about how to have a good and casual 4 player free for all game.

>>96809326
Sac effects are very broadly useful though. Anyway, have fun getting your commander countered twice and losing despite tuck being removed because you build your decks not to function without your commander.

>>96809348
You are making a lot of assumptions there, anon. I build decks that function without the commander.
It does check out that a salty blue player would think that tucking was fun or fair though.

>>96809341
Whats your point exactly? Armageddon isn't tearing up any 1v1 format where its legal. It kind of just sucks.

>>96808916
that is the general 4th player gameplay loop
good luck have fun on surviving with most likely one less turn than everyone elese

>>96809284
>Why do YOU, YES, YOU ANON, even play “competitive” poker?
>I’m being dead serious here, why would anyone choose a free-for-all 8-player brawl as their """competitive""" format? It’s just retarded. More than half of your losses aren’t even your fault, they’re handed to you thanks to the luck of the draw, the flop, and plain incompetence of 1 or 2 players.
>Explain this to me, bro

>Urza is off the Game Changers list
I don't quite know how to feel lmao

so gavin said wishes are not coming right?

>>96809284
Because its fun. The better question is why do YOU, a non competitive EDH player, care that people play it competitively? Please keep in mind the peolle like me do not want to play with you, that would be boring. I dont even want to interact with you unless im playing regular edh.

>>96809426
i told you your deck wasn't bracket 4 ready btw
i hope you believe me now

>>96809313
>like a dumb ape
You need to substantiate this anon.

>>96809284
I don't play competetive, but I don't think you "choose" a format to be competetive about. Usually you just like something and then take it more and more seriously as you learn and evolve. Being competetive about somethin is something that just happens to you.

>>96809425
are you retarded?

>>96809425
Competitive poker is actually a great analogy for cEDH, as they're both fucking jokes of competitive games that idiots treat like sports

>>96809425
>tfw you can't be all loosey goosey eating a sandwich then WHOO HOO BABY I'M LOVING IT

>>96809473
>got btfo
>uhh, ur retarded
kekw sorry you can't argue out of a paper bag lmao

>>96809426
Its pants on head retarded if you ask me

>>96809487
Uh oh the retard is back

>>96809516
yes anon we know you're back, even swordbro's here

>>96806946
As someone who doesn't play or follow cEDH, how? Thoracle's condition is tough to interact with and wins on the spot without combat. Not denying Breach is good, but what are people doing with it that could possibly be faster/more consistent than Thoracle?

>>96809565
He's full of shit, but you really shouldn't engage with anyone that takes CEDH seriously anyway, anon.

>>96809565
cedh graveyards tend to get stocked naturally so it's easier to win through breach lines (unlike thoracle which is a dead card w/o consult), this is why breach gets stolen for the immediate win

>>96809603
That doesn't prove what you think it does

>>96809477
Competitive poker is way more balanced than magic with attrition from big/small blind. I think competitive go fish is even more balanced than cedh

>>96809624
but it does because the only people that would hate thoracle are casuals where thoracle is easier to pull off while breach is better and more watched out for in cedh

>animate dead is an aura
>dance of the dead is an aura
>necromancy isn't an aura
>last voyage of the _ isn't an aura
why

>Secret Lair: Artist Kohei Horikoshi
Would you buy it?

>>96809669
I wouldn't buy SHIT

>>96809626
the problem with cedh is that it's also very drawish
now if you're going to ask why people play drawish games competitively, well, go ask your local chess club lol

>>96809509
I think it's a little weird for them to make rules about if it's a gamechanger based solely on the command zone, since we already had (and lost) Banned as Commander. Yes, if Urza is in your CZ, you know it's gonna likely be a stronger, competitive style deck under most circumstances, but Urza sets up those combos in any deck he's in. Hell, in my Golbez, I explicitly run him because he's so fuckin' silly.
>>96809454
fug
>>96809669
No but I'm sure many would

>>96809684
I just want cards with good art, and japanese artist routinely mog westernsloppa

>>96809565
>thoracle
Its not that tough to interact with desu. Not that cedh have changed their decks for this outside of niche tech. Simple truth is breach will offer
1. More opportunities
2. More combo lines.
Thoracle is obviously the pinnacle of A+B=Win but breach opens up A+B and B+E and B+C etc.

>>96809703
just make your own desu

This bracket update is legitimately the dumbest shit ever. They're not even internally consistent with their logic.
>Uhh we're un-GCing this card because commanders are easy to refuse
Then why keep Tergrid and Grand Arbiter on the GC list? Yeah they're fucking AIDS but you're about to tell me Kinnan and Yuriko are more fun somehow? These two were the centerpieces of the most "power 7" cope bullshit ever until they were put on the list telling people to finally fuck off.
>Uh these cards are no longer GCs because they're covered by the combo protection
Then why are Breach and Thoracle still GCs?
>We're un-GCing these cards because they're expensive so they should feel powerful and they're never ever cheated out
Griselbrand

>>96809659
Did you try reading the card youre bitching about?

>>96809742
did you?

>>96809740
Yuriko literally isn't even good outside of the Command Zone.

>>96809762
All those cards were GCs because of being in the command zone. "Power 7 Kinnan" was the worst meme I ever has the displeasure of repeatedly experiencing.

>>96809777
Kinnan is broken no matter where you put him, Yuriko is practically dogshit outside of her one explicit keyword.

>>96809740
>Then why keep Tergrid and Grand Arbiter on the GC list?
gavin is fine with you ramping and drawing cards, but he doesn't like stax
>Then why are Breach and Thoracle still GCs?
because they're the best at being combo finishes, food chain is pretty old tech
>why no unbans
2026 bro