Thread 96829054

Corvus Belli, the Spanish firm behind the miniature wargames Infinity and Warcrow, has recently opened a new programme to give fans who want to make Infinity or Warcrow videos, and even fan animations, unprecedented access to all the media assets they could possibly dream of - including full color 3D models of its newest miniatures. It's a markedly different strategy from industry heavyweight Games Workshop, which keeps a tight lid on information about upcoming releases, and has a standing ban against any kind of fan-made animation.

Despite the sometimes tumultuous relationship between GW and its fans, there's no shortage of content creators making painting tutorials, lore explainers, battle reports, tactics guides, and for Warhammer 40k - and Corvus Belli is hoping to promote a similar level of enthusiasm from its fandom. The Corvus Creator Nest is a new incubator programme designed to support content creators who want to cover Infinity or Warcrow, whether they're experienced players or just discovering the games for the first time, veteran video makers or only getting started.

There's practical support available, including equipment loans and tuition. For the recently released Next Wave Infinity sub-faction, CB has handed over a treasure trove of lore, game rules, art, model photographs, and most impressive of all, full color 3D scans of every miniature in the release.

"If you know how to use Blender, or Unreal, or any 3D program, Corvus Belli is sharing with you the assets to make 3D animation", says Carlos 'Bostria' Llauger, a game designer and one of the company's main spokespeople. He adds: "Games Workshop won't allow you even to dream about this in the following four decades".

There are understandable - if not necessarily relatable - reasons why GW plays hardball with its IP. Received wisdom has it that a firm which doesn't protect its IP aggressively will have a hard time taking truly egregious plagiarists to court. But cracking down on fan animations means giving up on a big source of influence: no-one is working on the next generation of influential fan animations, such as If The Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device, the Helsreach adaptation, or Astartes.

So the appeal for CB is obvious - if talented fan creators start making original Infinity animations, they could raise the profile of the game massively. All that's needed is for the fans to rig up the 3D models they've been given, and create something original with them.

That is the question for CB, of course, since 3D animation is by far the trickiest form of content creation. The creators in the Corvus Creator Nest have put the other assets they received for Next Wave to good use, and as soon as pre-orders opened there were lore videos, rules breakdowns, and painting videos good to go. The enthusiasm is definitely there - but it may take some nerds with very particular skills before the plans for Infinity fan animations come to fruition.

I don't really need animations of ghost in the shell but ugly and mexican.

>>96829344
I bet you watch that flash gitz faggotry

>>96829054 (OP)
Pretty smart move for them. GW keeps burning all their built up goodwill, you'd be a stupid little clownboy if you didn't take advantage of it.

I'm sure the existing cadre of hardcore, motivated Infinity animators were chomping at the bit to move away from their old homemade assets and onto shiny new toys. Any day now we will see GW fall - once Warmahordes MK3 comes out, their time is UP.

>>96829057
>reasons why GW plays hardball with its IP. Received wisdom has it that a firm which doesn't protect its IP aggressively will have a hard time taking truly egregious plagiarists to court
nonsense

>>96829054 (OP)
Finally we will have Yuriko Oda and Shinobu porn

If this was a huge money maker then more companies, not just GW, would be doing it. CB might see it as free advertising but it seems more like desperation.
>can't sell you IP
>give it away for free

>>96829054 (OP)
Post the mega.

>>96829382
No, that's not even like ghost in the shell at all.

>>96829054 (OP)
Is Paradise Lost out yet?

>>96829441
You don't see GW to fall to see others rise up. Rising tides and all that.

>>96829999
Meant for >>96829585

>>96829054 (OP)
What is the status for the anime they previewed over a year ago. It looked good

>>96829057
>influential fan animations, such as If The Emperor Had a Text To Speech Device, the Helsreach adaptation, or Astartes.
> or Astartes
Didn't the guy who made Astartes start working for GW directly on Warhammer+ animations? Now that I think about it, he worked on that Secret Level episode too, no?

>>96830081
They threatened to sue him unless he agreed to pass the project to Warhammer TV.

>>96829054 (OP)
All the 3 Infinity guys will be really happy

Honestly pathetic. People make 40k animations because GW created a lore that people love, they make animations because they love the universe and want to make 40k content. CB is trying to force it to happen. It isn't natural. It isn't organic. You can't force culture or fandom. This isn't going to work. They just want anyone to make animations for their wargame no one plays so they can eek out some bit of cultural relevance, so they can sell models. This is literal begging. It reeks of desperation.

>>96831856
>CB is trying to force it to happen. It isn't natural. It isn't organic.
Giving out free assets is now forcing unnatural creations into existence, you heard it here first folks.

I hate you and I hope you die. Now I'm gonna give you free advertising, you capitalist sons of bitches.

>>96831865
Yes the fandom is very much artificial if they're going to try to influence people into doing work for them.this isn't being made out of genuine love or fandom, it's being done because CB is begging people to

>>96832027
>artificial fandom!
lmao
He keeps digging the hole, folks!

Should just make a video game. Then they can rip the models for use in animations like the BattleTech guys do.

>>96831865
Listsn I prefer my GW nerds are grassfed and free range.

>>96832112
>grassfeeding paypigs
Waste of grass, when you can feed them pure shit.

>>96832057
>>96831865
Found 2 of the 5 people on the planet playing Troonfinity

>>96832417
1 if you consider the strong possibility it's a samefag or some CB marketing intern

>>96832417
Why do warhammer players accuse other games of being played by troons? Are they just burying their head in the sand and ignoring the massive tranny fanbase surrounding their beloved product? Is it projecting? Legitimately curious.

>>96832447
Stupid argument. Troons play all wargames because at the end of the day troons are just dweeb men, and dweeb men have varied tastes in nerd hobbies. What sets apart 40k from troonery is the aesthetic and philosophy of the universe, which is absolutely white traditionalist and right wing. Troonfinity on the other hand has a troon-coded anime aesthetic and leftist-coded worship of their Muslim inspired faction, depicting them as the oppressed underdog in their upcoming cartoon

>>96832417
My local meta alone has more infinityfags, piggo. Eat your poop-models.

>>96829054 (OP)
I mean, they do need all of the help they can get. My shop got some Infinity in on day 1 of opening up. 15 years later when the shitty economy caused us to close, we still had all of it.

they want people to 3d print or what? hope they don't go under, so few mini games left.

>>96832531
uh huh

>>96832531
>What sets apart 40k from troonery is the aesthetic and philosophy of the universe, which is absolutely white traditionalist and right wing.
Lad? Your media-literacy?

>>96832708
That nonsense is just a post rationalisation made up by nu-GW fans who are too onions cuckold to support fascism, masculinity, Christianity and traditionalism

>>96829054 (OP)
why are all competitors to GW so boring, bland, retarded, and shit? "look at us we are not GW" ok? then who the fuck are you and why should I care.

>>96829054 (OP)
when you are small and inconsequential as a brand you do whatever it takes to gain traction and any publicity is good publicity

>>96829441
People have been saying that GW is "burning their goodwill" since the first messageboards appeared on the internet back in the 90s.

>>96829054 (OP)
Okay but the real question: are they making multipart plastic kits yet?

>>96832531
>What sets apart 40k from troonery is the aesthetic and philosophy of the universe, which is absolutely white traditionalist and right wing.
LITERACY LACKER! LOL! LITERACY LACKER! LMAO! LITERACY LACKER! LOL!LITERACY LACKER! LMAO! LITERACY LACKER! LOL! LITERACY LACKER! LMAO!

I was so hyped for the new edition of infinity and they raped UsAradnia

>>96829054 (OP)
sophotect porn

>>96833250
Death of the author. If (and I already know for a fact you're wrong about this) the original lore writers didn't want to promote right wing philosophy in their story, they should've been more competent story tellers

>>96833567
>Death of the author.
Phrase of the midwit.

>>96833567
That's not what Death of the Author even means, retard. And it's wholly unrelated to the original claim. You dumb clown.

>>96834138
You're wrong.

>>96833775
>Phrase of the midwit
Cope of the infinitroon

>>96832096
It would make a dope Neotokyo-like vidya

>>96834465
You've never read it, you don't understand it as text, you don't understand it in context, and your capacity for argument begins and ends at "Buzzword Spouter." Do you think if you walk into an English literature department and go "Guys, guys.... death of the author!" they're like "OOOOOOH!!" and "LET'S FUCKING GOOOO" because you just said The One Correct Thing? The Unbeatable Critique?

No, you just like the vague outline of the sound of the shape of the thing because it means you don't have to actually read primary texts or consider historical context or apply intellectual rigour. You're a dull, solipsistic novice.

I actually wouldn’t mind doing some fan games for some of gws non mainline stuff like Warcry or Necromunda, but gw is the way they are…

>>96834465
t.midwit

>>96834789
Holy shit tldr. This is why the left is losing you Poindexter liberal arts major types don't know how to make a quick and punchy meme that actually draws attentio

>>96834885
You're gasping for air here pussyclot.

>>96834465
The fun thing about death of the author is that I can use it to say that you actually meant to concede.

What is preventing Corvus Belli from gaining popularity?

>>96835032
The ruleset is off putting despite whatever it might have working for it mechanically. And there isn't enough ancillary media to really sell the setting itself. The graphic novels were a good idea but suffered from limited distribution and there not being enough of them. This coming movie might help somewhat but hockeyslam being the protagonists will probably hurt things.

>>96834465
Well, retardo-kun, the post in question said
>What sets apart 40k from troonery is the aesthetic and philosophy of the universe, which is absolutely white traditionalist and right wing
,which is a statement so bold you can't cover with mere "Death of the Author". You're not arguing for meaning defined by you, but some kind of universal meaning. Because you're moron that can't even read the images he posts.

>>96835032
IQ requirement too high. Filters out most of the population.

>>96835090
>n-no the author died of woke

>>96835032
In my experience it's the metal miniature range; everyone I know is so used to how easy and customizable multipart plastic minis are that they perceive metal miniatures as intimidating, and the universe/ruleset just aren't compelling enough to make people want to deal with them.

no one is going to make animations for a dead game 3 people play. i don't get why companies come out trying to make sci-fi wargames when 40k exists. We run this bitch. You've got 0 chance. just stick to historicals and fantasy. Actually now that WHFB is back you really can't even do fantasy either kek.

>>96835408
>Actually now that WHFB is back you really can't even do fantasy either kek.
its more easier to break down than you'd think.

>>96835408
>we

>>96832096
>remember hired steel exists
Damnit. Now I need to go watch giant stompy robots beat the shit out of each other again

>>96829054 (OP)
How does their mini games play like?

Death of the author also applies to death of the author itself, so it can mean whatever anyone wants it to.

>>96843384
Not really. It's a wider concept of literary criticism with not one author. You can make up your own definitions for words all day, but that's a different thing.

>>96843180
Infinity is the main one, IGOUGO with unlimited reactions instead of the more popular alternative activations when it comes to skirmish games. Also you can activate one model several times per round. Fairly long gun ranges for 28mm scake, so you need loads of terrain.

>>96829054 (OP)
neat, but I still don't like the game.

>>96829054 (OP)
I thought that was Voltron from the thumbnail

Infinity is well past its prime. It essentially died when they cut ties with Ureña, who had nailed and cemented their visual identity.

>>96829057
Here's the thing;
GW's actual original intellectual property boils down to a handful of offbeat concepts, most of which have been shelved or heavily altered (See: Fimir) and a bunch of overly loquacious faux-latin names for things they ripped off from somebody else.

GW has no grounds to "aggressively protect" an intellectual property mostly built out of common culture, and bits of scavenge.

In fact, it outright demands pastiche, parody, and meanspirited fun-poking at this point.

I decree that Games Workshop's "intellectual property" is free game.

Take what you can; give nothing back.

>>96829054 (OP)
How do you know GW won't still sue you since they're suing Battletech fans now too?

Kidding aside, I totally respect this as someone who was pissed off at the GW policies. I'm all down for the competition but I know nothing about their settings. If you want an Astartes animation equivalent, you need something with raw appeal that's easy to like at the first glance you take at it.

Taking a quick glance at Infinity looks like it's going for something different, like Cyberpunk in space. With a lot of Muslims for some reason.

I need to know what's iconic about this universe. 40k has Space Marines, very easy for everyone to get into and see the appeal immediately, and then they have a lore hook that connects them to the wider lore and other factions. Battletech has Battlemechs, if you like big stompy robots you've got endless to play with. And then you've got color coded factions that are very simply structured and easy to understand, with plenty of lore to dig into once you pick your favorite.

What are Infinity/Warcrow's equivalent to these? I genuinely don't mean this to be a sort of concern troll. I need to know what we're working with. Something that you can reduce simply to their raw appeal but then expand into the rest of the wider world with. The first thing I noticed was a faction with Islam in their name and it's not doing it for me, and I don't even hate muslims that much.

tl;Dr: What's the surface level cool iconic thing I'm missing? Something that you can look at first glance and think "that's fucking awesome" before digging into the wider lore. Like Space Marines or Battlemechs for Infinity/Warcrow

>>96844339
>very easy for everyone to get into and see the appeal immediately,
I mean, is it? In a vacuum they're pretty bland and generig design vise, you need to immerse yourself/cultural osmosis/have some 40kid spoonfeeding you the "lore"/yourdudeism. They have their appeal, but it's pretty basic without the attached deepest lore.

>>96844404
>I mean, is it?
The numbers speak for themselves. You can call them bland but everyone knows what a Marine is when they see one.

>>96829054 (OP)
Corvus Belli IPs have zero value, from a non-tabletop game perspective they could as well be original IPs that noone's even heard of. They could literally give the rights to TV series, books, movies etc for free and still noone would give a shit. Giving their IP away to youtubers isn't a "we're the anti-GW "good guys" move, it's a "hail Mary hoping some fan makes something like Astartes out of it and makes our IP finally worth a damn".

>>96844523
>The numbers speak for themselves.
Well, no. They don't. 40k still has far narrower appeal than, say, Star Wars. Because Lightsabers is cool concept that appeals to everyone. Can't say the same about, what, bolters? 40k has its lightsabers from Temu, but they look like lightsabers from Temu.
>You can call them bland but everyone knows what a Marine is when they see one.
Not everyone. And those who do know, do so because they have seen them before.

>>96844543
It unfortunately really is like that too. If it were a case of them simplifying the process for fan works licensing of official assets it would be different. It really does reek of desperation unfortunately if they're giving shit out for free but the thing is, I don't know how CB could make this more standout and generically appealing desu. Infinity is just kind of niche. Maybe an anime adaptation? But why watch it over any other sclcifi/cyberpunk? Let alone emotionally invest in it?

>>96844868
Also, this is a universe where every faction is evil so there's no one to root for.

>>96844893
But enough about UN!

>>96844893
SHieet you do be sayin dats why dey all look like dey could be same army n shieet?

>>96844984
>There is only one army. The Human army!

>>96844679
Sure, star wars is a big iconic franchise, and you've identified something cool and iconic from it. That doesn't mean space marines aren't iconic either. These are two properties from different mediums, and they're both successful in them. Star Wars wargames aren't exactly beating out 40k in sales.

You don't win by saying the person in first place isn't actually in first place, that's just denial.

Also back to >>96844404
The Astartes series is successful and has mass appeal despite not speaking a single word of lore or even dialogue in it. Corvus Belli apparently wants that level of success judging by the article in the OP.

What does Infinity have that I can make a cool animation like that to show people? What is the first thing you'd show a complete noob?

>>96829054 (OP)
>shitty animu tabletop game wants fans to make content for it
lmao they can't even give the IP away for free.

>>96844893
>Why aren’t there cartoonishly clear divisions between good guys and bad guys in my cyberpunk setting about black ops?
You’re the sort of person nu40k caters to.

>>96844984
Their website is absolute shit too.

>>96829054 (OP)
But GW never actually shut down any fan animations?

>>96833567
This is some of the most pathetic cope Ive seen in a while
And im an mtg player

>>96830118
No they didn't, you don't hire people and buy their content off them instead of suing them.

>>96845115
>What does Infinity have that I can make a cool animation like that to show people? What is the first thing you'd show a complete noob?
Cyberninjas fighting giant not-werewolves with machine guns, with hot girls with guns spruced around.
Power armored knights against shredded red skinned alien apes with a TAG (aka Cyberpunk ACPA thrown in the mix).
Sci-fi muslims against sterile transhumans and robots, hot girl robots. (could replace muslims with vodka chugging space russians and scots for bigger contrast)

>>96845645
>a bunch of gay incoherent shit
yeah naa.

>>96845383
Hello, new friend.

>>96846421
Try to explain 40k combat and you get similar level of shit:
Genetically augmented guys in power armor vs cultist and demons
Space elves vs space orcs

And so on.

>>96846421
Your momma was incoherent last night, gayman

>>96846465
Sold!
>>96845645
Sounds kinda weak.

>>96834885
If you couldn't read those three lines of text you certainly didn't touch that essay.

I think you should all just make your own bootleg grimdark settings, and start a new gold rush to find the setting that will supplant Warhammer 40k.

Think of it as sacrificing the sacred king, to maintain the fertility of the land.

Band together, sacrifice your lives to great and terrible works.

>>96829054 (OP)
>full color 3D scans of every miniature in the release

What prevents anybody from just that as an stl?

https://youtu.be/qIbO-O_GsG8
They are already starting to come out, it seems.

>>96849569
My guess is that it's photogrammetry, which doesn't produce good enough "scans" for printing.

>>96844339
This is fully anecdotal, but when I talked to my friends about the game and setting, the first thing they immediately asked about are the TAGs and what their role is. I think it’s because despite being very small for mechs, they visibly tower over their squad on the battlefield while still being regarded as part of them, like the MEC troops from X-com. Then they start getting curious about the factions themselves, with the Space Muslims, Combined Army and Aleph getting the most questions.

>>96850629
This is true, TAGs are amazing. I think CB realised as GW did that people like big centrepiece models and started adding more to the game.

>>96829054 (OP)
Bump for interest.

>>96848637
I read works from established right wing intellectuals. I don't waste my time on the ramblings of leftist propagandists

>>96850650
Exactly. I know that my attention was immediately grabbed when I saw the XPR-5 Akrep (I'm a sucker for gits tachikoma mechs), and a friend of mine dismissed most of the models as generic sci-fi troopers until she saw the O-Yoroi and immediately started asking me what the story was with the giant samurai robot. I know Warhammer 40k has big stompy walkers as elites or vehicles, but something about the TAGs is more memorable and I'm not sure why.

>>96852981
2/5, laying it too thick.

Infinity is too ZUTT'ed and troony for me

>>96853368
It's the anime aesthetic. Anime is highly correlated with troonification

>>96853201
Some people don't have the patience for leftists and their lies or revisionism. That's what happens when you berate people with wokism for decades

>>96850051
Sure, but that underestimates the perseverance of clean-uppers. I've seen blobs on telegram/discord being turned into crisp reproductions indistinguishable after printing

>>96845388
> And im an mtg player
Pro-UB or Anti-UB?

>>96829682
>If this was a huge money maker then more companies, not just GW, would be doing it
It's an unproven concept, and proving the immaterial gains from it is almost impossible. Even if Infinity suddenly became super popular, tracing it down to this one decision isn't possible. And it doesn't have to be a huge money maker, it can just be something that slightly boosts the profitability of a smaller company while also not being worth it for the bigger companies.

>>96829054 (OP)
I wanted to try infinity but holy shit army building makes me wanna pull my hair out, not to mention that the army building site is dogshit.
Nearly every unit has 5 different profiles with slightly different abilities and points costs, you can pair units together but in very specific and limited ways, and there are multiple little edge cases that make what you actually want to do illegal.
I'm okay with complicated rules when it comes to the units themselves but I do not want to have to spend half an hour balancing points 40k 10th is simply "do you have the right keyword and points? cool you can add it".

>>96859602
It's more complex than 40k (at least current day 40k I guess) but not impossible. The things to remember are:
>you need one lieutenant
>you want a heavy hitter, someone armored and mobile and with a nice gun
>you want a couple of good hitters if the heavy hitter dies
>you need specialists to complete objectives. Anyone with a special skill (hacker, medic, engineer, etc.) is a specialist
>you want cheap units to provide enough orders to the above and cover your flanks
After that you can customise and decide if you want to lean into a lot of mechs, hackers, mimetic skirmishers, jump troops etc.
The app is a bit complex but imo it's quite good, if you mess up it will tell your list is illegal and why. Imo the most complex thing is fireteams, see pic related, but they are meant for more advanced players desu.

>>96856709
Put you can do them yourself without too much difficulty?

>>96844339
Infinity is mostly Appleseed: the wargame, with a bunch of other sci fi and history thrown in. Particularly visible in PanOceania, half the heavy troopers are Briareos cosplayers.

>>96844169
This has been proven false time and time again. Games Workshop originated the entire idea of an immortal God Emperor, Space Marines, and a swarm of alien locusts; and it was companies like Blizzard who stole from them. That's why GW is so aggressive, they've been victims in the past.

>>96861355
Kek
Pretty good impression of average 40kid there

>>96861340
Many cosplayers for those who have eyes to see...

>>96835032
They stopped making the game 50% about anime girl ass in future tights.
Letting the coomers make animation might help but it comes with its own problems.
>popularity but at what cost?
>weeb porn addicts and associated mental illness
I hope to never have to chose between business failure and courting coomers.

>>96861651
>check out 3d printed model stl storefronts
>it's 99% coomer shit
a coomer and his money is soon parted but taints the rest of it.

>>96850650
>adding
Bro they've had this since the 2010s.
I started nomads because i liked the salamander.
Oddly i can't stand the new one, everything in infinity feels less anime as time goes on
I'm not complaining about "interlocking steel plates" more that everything starting to feel more samey. things that used to have integrated weapons now clearly and evidently have an HMG or autocannon, usually under it's right arm like a batroid's gun. or they're just carrying it like a rifle.

>>96861153
dude, 40k players eat past.
I had a nigga unironically tell me it was too much to expect them to follow the FoC from bac kin the day.
They don't even have points for special weapons any more nigga, what do you expect?

>>96859602
BRO, the extra profiles are just extra equipment.
fucking
>fusillier
>FO fusillier (now a specialist)
>DR fusillier (gains medkit)
>Hacker fusillier (has hacking kit)
>Fusilier with shot gun (has shotgun)
>Fusilier with spitfire (Has that gun, costs .5 special weapon tokens.)
>Fusilier with rocket launcher (Has that gun, costs like 1.5 special weapon tokens.)
very fucking rarely do you have notable changes.

>>96862153
2005, actually.

>>96845390
He did contribute to the Secret Level episode, and he was employed by Games Workshop's Warhammer Animation which is nearly five year old news.

>>96862153
There's a strong sway from anime-inspired to videogames in infinity. A lot of the new models have shapes and details that bring to mind graphics card boxe art and mobile game background soldiers than ghost in the shell.

To rectify this they need a renewed focus in soft body armor and blocky eye-covering helmets immediately. Also death to sidecuts.

>>96862153
>Bro they've had this since the 2010s.
I'd say big S5 infantry models are a relatively recent development.

>>96864257
God damn those guns look so bad with the backwards sweeping magazines.

>>96835032
It's convoluted as fuck. I tried getting into it but just looking a the models on the website there's no cohesive theme and the lore is incredibly inaccessible and convoluted.

>>96864291
Caseless ammunition.

>>96866400
Why would you need a backwards sweeping magazine for caseless ammo? Would be more likely to be a straight mag for that use case or a normal forward sweeping mag.

>>96866670
Something something science beyond our time. In reality if all factions had forward curving or straight mags it would look boring. So the dedicated WIP-12 faction gets teh speshul mags.

>>96866670
Gel-like propellant that can be compressed while the hard metallic tip at the front can't.

>>96829981
Almost completed, they are looking for a publisher.

>>96832531
You don't own any models.