Thread 96835016

I'm Conveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerting edition

>Previous Heresy: >>96818935

>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
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>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
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>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
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https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics

『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
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>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
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>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics

>Thread question:
How do you fancy the Shattered Legion rules, too little too late or enticing?

>>96835016 (OP)
>LIgma titans in the background with heroic scale minis on the foreground
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

>>96835016 (OP)
SHE RETURNS AT LAST

>>96835016 (OP)
>>96835056
BOTH OUR FUARKING HEROES have retvrned!

How's assault cannon access for Blood Angels in 3.0? Can heavy support squads still swap heavy flamer for ass cannons?

>>96835111
No but also yes

>>96835016 (OP)
>Not only the horse, but the 1k sons centurion, too
Blessed OP

>>96835050
Different scales is a tried and true method of forced perspective, they should really do it more

Spoiler anon where are you? We need spoilers for The Scouring!

>>96835111
Yes, but you lost being able to replace literally every heavy flamer so no more asscan nipples/claws on dreads

>Want to convert a Master of Descent
>Have to get to work on a saturnine dreadnought for a competition
>Can't build models until Sunday because of some stupid bullshit
fug

>>96835056
>>96835068
>>96835153
They were in the last OP you stupid dickheads

>>96835280
The Warmaster deboonked this

>>96835276
Here are mine, AL and WB (although I'm running him as just an optae right now)

>>96835345
I'm gonna have to cut a pair of mkIV legs up to repose them. I'm basically out of everything except mkIII unless I start ripping up old models.

>>96835276
You have a room in your head and food in the table, be grateful hooman

>>96835462
I am grateful but I still get to complain

>>96835241
Maybe a good change for balance

Play Titanicus

Saturday. I hope spoiler anon will appear and post some spoilers. I don't want to wait til december to get the book.

Went to check how much would it cost to update my army to 3ed, so it could be fun to play again. I realised that not only I would have to buy a practicaly whole army, but that it would cost me over a 1000$ to do. No resin models, no shoulder pads, no transfers, no upgrade packs or legion specific stuff. I think I got priced out of the hobby lol.

>>96835573
Could you play it for like 150-200$ ?

I think I enjoy the sourcing of flavour bits and building miniatures to be the most enjoyable part of the hobby.

I still haven't mentally recovered from the dream where I was dating a German speaking Kairos

Post what you're working on anon

>>96835997
same. conversions and modeling are my fave part

>>96836097
Trying to learn how to "paint" something other then black dry brushing.

>>96836162
Explain the decisions that led to this result.

>>96836164
my mom did this. And I didn't want to paint another full black unit of 5 guys with bolters.

>>96836168
That's a nice Mortarion model. Where'd you get it from?

>>96836202
Same way I get all my resin models. Mom took me to the our store, and the guys were cleaning a new batch of models they made and they gave me one. It didn't feel anything like my guys, so I didn't know what to do with it. So my mom took it and painted it. Thought it was a pretor and Mortarion was this huge flying guy with wings etc.

>>96835016 (OP)
>How do you fancy the Shattered Legion rules, too little too late or enticing

WAAAY too little, WAAAY too late. Mechanically, the only good combination is EC+SoH+BA which let enables a MSU list to pretty much always hit on a 3+ against even WS5 and higher targets.
God it's weird how much melee focus they put on SL and BlackShield options when this is shooting edition.

At least Blackshields can subvert that by going "Fuck objectives. Fuck tactical statuses. Fuck listbuilding and FUCK YOU." with various Oaths of Moment.

>>96836280
Blackshields pdf is really really really good exactly because it does that.

>>96836280
>WAACfag thinks his opinion matters

>>96836280
>this is shooting edition.
Lmao, in what fucking way? Way more LOS blocking, charging out of any transports, set up moves denying overwatch... Most ranged units are lucky if they get to shoot once or twice at the target you actually want to shoot them at, and ranged weapons lethality has been nerfed into the ground.

>>96836284

It's also the only list where Warmongers are actually viable.
Even without literally any related Oaths meant to enable him, even if the unit he deepstrikes with takes a wound and becomes suppressed... that now makes them T5, or even T6 if he's doing it with Terminators.
But there's also multiple ways to mitigate that even further here.

>Option 1 Broken Helix Clones
Since he only get's a unit suppressed if you take a wound, what about DS in with Clone Terminators, for a T5 2+ 4/5+ Invuln followed by a 5++ damage mitigation check? You can't get supressed if you don't take a wound after all.

>Option 2 Who even cares? Panoply of Old
You could do this other ways but... who even cares if you get suppressed if everyone has Alchem Heavy Flamers anyway? Snapshots? Who the fuck cares when you can lay down multiple Poison 2+ templates with Assault? I guess you could do this particle shredder saturnines too?

>Option 3 BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT
Just sidestep the weakness in it it's entirety, proclaim THE FLESH IS WEAK and become status immune Automata with no actual downsides to this whatsoever. You took Reaper of Lives as your second oath, you don't even NEED to read these linked cogitator rules anymore. You're here to kill until your reach your Zapp Brannigan Limit.

>>96835997
>>96836135
Yes I too am a conversion and kit bash chad

>>96836334
I was going for Flesh is Weak+Loot the Dead. Have not considered a Warmonger, thanks for the tip.

>>96836353

...does that even work? Don't you lose Vanguard and Line when you take Flesh is Weak so you can't convert it into Loot the Dead points? Or is it like, you take the Loot first which then means you don't lose it?

>>96836298
One, maybe two melee unit and the rest is tanks, 40 tacticals, two beamer predator or two vindicators, kratos. some armies don't even take elite melee units just stack up on seekers and snipers HQs in prime slots to one shot centurions.

>>96836361
yes you take loot the dead first.

>>96836298
my 3ed expiriance is weapon platforms being spamed, by those that have them. And the rest is tanks, mass shoting with stuff like pretor outrider or legion specific melee unit.

Post conversions

>>96836410
>>96836425
Not seeing much tanks used here. Anything with rear AV 11 or lower just gets bum-rushed by cheap marine units and wrecked with krak grenades, the tougher tanks just get ignored as they don't kill enough marines to force them off objectives.
Is everybody not playing with the amount of terrain recommended by the rulebook? Or did those absolutely retarded terrain house rules from some YTroon channel really become used by most people?

>>96835162
I think in this case it was just easier to take photos of the LIgma titans and photoshop them into the background than start carting out 28mm scale titans. Especially when none of them have those new weapons LIgma titans have.

>>96836334

Warmongers aren't bad in Death Guard either, you can drop in a giant pile of alchem-flamers there too and 10+ of them is enough Poison 2+ to kill even termie squads with a good angle. I think Phraetus are probably the kings of the deepstriking unreactable flamers, though, they don't remotely care if you shoot them a few times with Interceptor. You can't status them and their Warpfire Mantles trigger in your shooting phase as well if you have to roll saves. Can't React-move away, so three Phraetus dropping in can pick the best template angle to stack 12+ hits on the most expensive MEQ they can find and reduce them to soup with S6 AP3.

I am considering the world's most snowflake allied det to represent my Istvaan III army - Mech primary, Shattered Legions allied, Alone And Forgotten allied for the pile of insane world eaters who would be a single squad in a land raider if they were a normal force. Just about fits the platoon of marines + vehicles I need in the 1500pt allowance, although it's quite tight.

>>96836449
Rock beats volkite and flamer.

>>96836450
you let GW decide your terrain? We play on the same tables we used since 6th ed.

>>96836483
Oh, so planet bowling ball. No wonder you think shooting is the best.

>>96836361
Flesh is Weak states "However, such
Models may not benefit from the Line (X) Special Rule,
but instead gain a bonus to the number of Victory Points
scored when controlling an Objective based on the
number of Models with this Special Rule in the Unit."
Spoils of victory explicitly removes Line, but we couldn't benefit from it anyway.

>>96835940
Yes.
That's the price of the titan battle force box on eBay. One warlord, a reaver, two war hounds. That a full axiom maniple and around 1.5k (with upgrades). That's a full game of AT

>>96836484
like in the real world. a few busted bunkers and a ton of craters and troops+tanks rolling at each other blasting at full auto.

>>96836513
Here people have favoured boards with lots of ruins and other terrain since city fight from 4th edition.

>>96836449
Wtf are these proxes for?

>>96828203
Spoiler anon! We need spoilers for Ashes of Imperium. Please!

>>96836636
Hermes?

>>96835016 (OP)
>TQ
Actually inspiring me to get to work on my pile of shame. I'm doing NL + WS and with what I have now I should be able to get a 2000pt force together

>>96835016 (OP)
GW released a PDF or is a new book with Shattered legion rules?

>>96836875
I wonder what would have to happen for two such forced to combine in to one.

>>96836955
PDF rules document. It's for free.

>>96836971
thanks. very cool to hear about it. maybe I could run my dudes as a shattered legion. as the regular rules are kind of a unfun.

>>96836097
Very early WIP of a Rhino for my Militia

>>96836994
PDF rules armies are unironically the big winners of 3.0 so far. So much options and flavour. Hopefully the legions will get elevated to the same level once they're getting their individual tactica journal books like GW promised, the journals have been good as well so far.

>>96837004
I can't wait for them to fix my legion. When I get back from church I will definitly have a look at the new rules. Very happy to hear they are cool.

>>96837002
Looks... tasty.

>>96837002
Nice Fighting 9th scheme.

>>96837084
Tsunami Reef won’t assault itself!

>>96836097
Finished a Rhino for my DA. Really need to get a proper camera, phone cam is so bad for taking miniature pics.

>>96837093
Have you tried OpenCamera app?

>>96837102
Haven't heard of that before, will look into it.

>>96837168
Someone on /wip/ suggested it.

>>96837093
looks very nice anon. I still struggle with vehicles. Yours looks great.

>>96837093
Very clean! And I feel your pain, my phone has an “auto-sharpen” feature that makes pictures look like ass

>>96836513
>in the real world. a few busted bunkers and a ton of craters and troops+tanks rolling at each other blasting at full auto

everybody dies to drones and no land is captured when this happens irl anon

they aren't MIA or POW, they're dead

Remembermancer image of an Iron Warriors veteran legionary instructing an Inductii Circa. M31 (colourized)

>>96837485
>Remembermancer image of a GW Heresy Iron Warriors veteran legionary instructing a FW Heresy legionary. Circa. M31 (colourized)
FTFY

Champion Garmund of The Fangs of The Emperor is battle ready and awaiting basing. (Ignore the growing pile of assassins)

>>96837485
There were no remebrancers left when the inductii were created, especially in the Iron Warriors

>‘Does something disquiet you, Mal?’ asks Fulgrim from where he walks beside the equerry.

>The III Legion zone is quiet but not silent. Sounds reach from the distance. Even in empty passages there are shouts that rise and then cut off. There are rustles that become the rattle of servo-carts carrying ammunition. The murmurs of vox-horns fade into laughter.

>‘No, lord,’ says Maloghurst. But he can feel fingers touching his back under his armour, just over the healed wound that has twisted his frame. It happens sometimes – ghost sensations caused by nerve damage – but this time the fingers feel real, soft and warm on his scars. ‘Just the old wound,’ he says.

>‘Ah yes,’ says Fulgrim. The primarch nods, understanding. There is something both vital and cadaverous about his face. New jewels glitter on his armour and dot his cheeks like crystallised tears. His hair falls in a perfect wave of ivory. But the edge of the primarch’s red cloak is frayed, and there are stains on his armour, tiny flecks of what might be dried blood.

>‘You know, Fabius might be able to do something for you. He is quite remarkable. His works are wonders.’

>‘I am fine, lord,’ says Maloghurst.

>‘Just so, Mal,’ says Fulgrim. ‘Just so. You are the epitome of devoted duty, ever able, uncomplaining despite the weight on you. My brother is fortunate indeed to have you at his side.’

>‘Flattery, lord.’

>‘Truth, Mal, only truth.’ Fulgrim is the only other primarch to call him Mal. To the rest he is Maloghurst, equerry, emissary. It’s a claimed intimacy that Mal cannot reject, but here and now it feels as unwanted as the ghost fingers on his back.

DANGER DANGER MAL NEEDS AN ADULT

>>96837663
why does Fulgrim think it is okey to touch marines of other primarchs? Especialy non rank&file ones like Malgohurst.

>>96836681
Just finished the book, I'll keep going in my usual format later but here's a few 'big' things

The Emperor did almost kill the chaos 'gods' according to a WB and a daemon.

Luna is taken and the reason it was pursued so quickly was because there is a fleet of black ships buried within it that they need.

A traitor primarch makes a surprise dynamic entry

The ending is clearly setting up for mars but ends on a very trite note of 'man is the real monster afterall ooooohh shocker'

>>96835937
play militia
>>96836449
shit i've got little mini resin treads of that size, I might have to do what you're doing for sentinels anon. very nice

>>96837992

I am hoping the Mechanicum actually get to do stuff in their last hurrah on Mars, because my god did that get sidelined in the Mars campaign book. Do the Loyalist Mech have any strength left, or did they lose everything in the siege and are just waiting for the Ultras to take home back for them?

>>96837992
What traitor primarch?

>>96837992
>A traitor primarch makes a surprise dynamic entry
I bet it's fucking Konrad

>>96837992
So Lion and Russ did nothing at all?

>>96836549
>>96836513
ive always wanted to build a 41st century sarajevo board with shattered buildings everywhere but im not sure how well that many multi-story buildings would work on a 2000 point scale.

>>96837992
So who was right in the end, Guilliman or Dorn?

>>96838167
Their thing plays out in the other Wraight book.

>>96838084
>>96838164
Alpharius I bet

>>96838227
>Haha! Dorn, you fool! You truly believed that was my real head?

>>96838242
Ingo Pech had played role of Alpharius' head perfectly.

Any advice on planning a militia army?

>>96838256
erm ackshually, Ingo Pech was alive under the Palace in TEATD

>>96838297
Greenscreen.

>>96838297
Who cares? Alpharius, Omegon, Pech, Dynat or someone else. Alpha legion is a meme at this point.

>>96838294
1. Prepare to job to marines
2. Inflict psychic torture on the marines by making the game drag on

>>96838294

Indulge in the artillery options, they're fragile and will die hard to enemy artillery trying to suppress them but they're extremely cheap compared to Legion, Solar Aux or Mechanicum sources of long range large blasts. What type is up to you, although I personally favour the siege mortars and big rocket batteries.

Don't try to make infantry who can individually go toe to toe with Marines - it's possible but it's too damn expensive. Your heavy guns, ogryns, squads of rad grenade animal handlers etc. are probably going to do most of the actual killing.

>>96835056
>>96835068
I'm so happy someone else is doing this. It brings me joy. I haven't had to make a thread in weeks it feels like.

I got some dickbikes in a lot with plasma cannons - can they be any good? Ideally don't want to chuck them

>>96838506
Plasma cannons are good in this edition of stupid accurate blasts

>entire Siege of Terra came and went without so much as a veiled allusion to Julius Kaesoron, First Captain of the Emperor's Children
It doesn't seem fair.

>>96838553
minus the part about being good. Bad strength, bad AP that doesn't even kill 10 point tacticals and dmg1 as well so a joke to terminators.

y/n?
why?

>>96838391
>rad grenade animal handlers
i havent heard of this, could you elaborate

>>96836449
making progress on 70 of these

>>96838553
>>96838669
The duality of /hhg/

>>96838777
>Cyber-augmetics
>Any Model with the Irregulars Special Rule and the
Command or Sergeant Sub-Type in this Army may have
rad grenades selected for it for +5 Points per Model.
>Beastmaster Troop
>Irregulars (Militia Handler only)
>Militia Handler: Infantry (Sergeant)

>>96838850
Anybody who says strength 6 is bad for a gun meant to kill MEQ or lighter infantry is trolling.

All the armchair generals who don't own models and never played a game also keep forgetting that plasma cannons never come alone. Anybody who has had to face even a 5 man HSS with plasma cannons this edition can tell you how much they can hurt.

>>96838856
huh. hit a motherfucker with the cancer bomb then sic your bear on him. fascinating. thank you anon

>>96838553

> maximal is D1/OL2
> small blast

Grim. Save yourself the points.

>>96838768
>Author: Pissboi Supreme
No.

>>96838768
The cover looks like someone fucked with the aspect ratio

>>96838294
if you have to do melee, shock mauls are your friends

mob the objectives so that nothing else gets close, because short of running away you'll always cap them

seismic weapons can be surprisingly useful because they're D2 Breaching6+

>>96838847
I like this.
Also it looks expensive as fuck. I see Solar Aux, Cathay, and Scourges. Are you using anything else for this force?

>>96838876
it's always hilarious when a dumbfuck moron uses the word "armchair" then tries to pretend a weapon that kills 5 points of space marines on average is ACTUAAAAALLLY amazing. Jump off the nearest roof.

Two questions.

1. Did Maloghurst learn secrets to having his own variants of the Gal Vorbak (called the Luperci) from the Word Bearers? It makes sense, I reckon.

2. Did Fabius Bile's "Terata" (test subjects made from enemy Legionaries) also have some daemonic influence on them, or is it just genecrafting to make them into monsters?

>>96838856
>>96838880

The important part is that an animal unit can absolutely be ten animal handlers and zero animals, although I consider it important to keep the company crocodile around for morale. You can put out a reasonable number of AP3 shots for a reasonable price and almost guarantee a unit is nicely softened up.

>>96837663
>It happens sometimes – ghost sensations caused by nerve damage – but this time the fingers feel real, soft and warm on his scars.
Are they summoning daemons or what?

>>96839233
>10 sergeants in a unit
"hello, I'm Sam Mitchell, the Vice President of Cybertron Industries Incorporated, here to offer you a special opportunity to try some of our brand new rad grenades. Oh you already spoke with the Vice President? Well, every employee here is Vice President, that's how elite a fortune 500 company is."

>>96838638
yeah, there's a lot of champs who we got so little actual battlefield stuff on like Kaesoron.

Poor Hastur Sejanus (supposed to be the 2nd greatest Lunar Wolf ever behind abaddon) yet just randomly gurked the 2nd time we see him (not even in-battle)

Forgefather T'kell and Artellus Numeon, the two primary Salamanders lords, neither of which gets a miniature and Numeon just forced to yeet himself into a volcano to buy Vulkan a rez and T'kell just given a random fetch quest instead of actually leading wars. Resulting in the awkward situation that the game has zero non-primarch characters for salamanders in 15+ years.

before you start flinging shit; i did the left one to see how a thousand sons scheme would work out with the new vallejo metallic paints
so far I'd say pretty good; much less of a hassle than breaking out the airbrush
also is captcha going to shit tonight or is it just me ?

>>96838847
Bits in this conversion
>Cathay Jade Warriors
>Dark Eldar scourges
>DKoK
>Solar Aux Rifle section
>Extra scope from somewhere.
Anon, they look cool but how much is each of them to make?

>>96838669
Plasma cannons, like plasma guns, dont kill by being singularly dangerous per hit, they kill by simply providing a lot of high S hits reliably.

You dont overcharge, you dont even care about breaching very much, youre literally just using it for the S7(?) blast template, because generating a lot of S7 his is enough to eviscerate most infantry.

>>96839295
Are those already out? I thought they wouldn't be until December. I'd love a leas dogshit way of doing my metallic black for my mechanicum, though I prefer my gold and red recipes

>>96839232
the books specifically say the luperci are the SoH copy of the gal gorbak process, yes.
at least the art shows tentacles and crab claws of slaanesh and other chaos affectations and since fabulous bill's noise marines are the primary pro-chaos emperor's children, it's pretty guaranteed that his terata mutants with superpowers and their free will removed are similarly corrupted.

>>96839203
NTA, but what's the maths on that?

>>96839313
well my local store has them so idk
i'm gonna try an emperor children and an alpha legionnaire next on primaris leftovers
on another topic i'm going to miss these lil scrawny guys

>>96839295
>also is captcha going to shit tonight or is it just me ?
It's shit.

>>96839342
Yeah it is kinda funny, I've been entirely sober for like ten years but since just a few months ago I've been drunk every time I'm off work and I'm fine with that because I'm going to divorce my wife lmaooooooo

>>96839295
i think cloudflare has been routinely losing its shit since uk internet act or whatever

>>96838669
>bad AP that doesn't even kill 10 point tacticals

>1/5 to kill including to hit roll

remember guys, when you have a 2+ save rolling a 1/6 is impossible and you can just tank every AP3+ hit for your unit

>>96839283

Hey, that fits the ranks of most bankers I've met. Ten sarges and their one collectively directed dog.

>>96837992
>The Emperor did almost kill the chaos 'gods' according to a WB and a daemon.
That's bullshit. We see in the Chaos in the End and the Death. They are fine.

>>96839611
>They are fine.
where they?

>>96835111
>>96835241
>>96835468

BA nipple dreads are in the base Liber rulebook rules wtf anon.
They even got more assault cannon spam option in the legacies PDF.

Please just read the rules my dudes, they are scanned by kind anons and free for all, also on free websites and apps like New Recruit or Quatermaster.

>>96839635
Where? They are in the Warp.
They were spectators of the fight between Horus and the Emperor. Horus threw away the power that they gave him at the last moment to prove a point to (the illusion of) Loken. The Emperor killed Horus was stabbing him to death.
So it doesn't make sense that the Chaos Gods were damaged.
The one reference to the Chaos Gods being affected is the part where it's said that the Chaos Gods were slightly baked by the energy radiating from the fight.

>>96839305
>>96839170
Thanks anons. Besides what you listed the scopes are anvil industry and I use shoulder pads and pouches from tinylegend. To finish them off I'm also giving them OOP kroot carnivore bits.

I buy individual bits and many are from 6+ years ago. It comes out a bit higher per guy than MSRP aux, but only because I'm getting bits and not kits. Or I buy a kit, take what I need, and flip the rest to lower the margins.

I'm double dipping a little by reusing the plastic lasguns on my picrel old militia. The resin barrels snap off super easy so I just have to man up and swap them all out on like 200 recast kreig models.

My tylenol? Extra strength

>>96836097
Well done Chogo bro as always.
I just base shaded my troops for a 3k Iron Hands force I am building by the end of the year to go with my Mastadon.

>>96839674
Those look dope.
Are they based on a particular unit in the lore? Or are they your own creation? Post story.

based chogo thread

>>96836097
This stuff. Although currently im thinking of ways to give extra detail to the night raptors, thinking maybe adding some chains and skulls here and there, maybe try my hand at flayed skin.

thinking up an idea for a blackshields force
how about a white scars force that turned traitor during the original schism in the white scars, realised they fucked up and believe they cannot be forgiven in the eyes of the imperium, and thus went out into the galaxy to do their own thing by fighting for the emperor on their own terms
traits:
>blade of the just
>either white scars equipment or disgrace all are equal

>>96839956
Yes please. Adding those stuff is really easy and the model looks three times better. Keep us posted with zhe paintjob

>>96839996
>Keep us posted with zhe paintjob
It will make the model look worse, but sure, ill post results once theyre painted.

Although given the state of my backlog that might not be very soon.

>>96839982
they're also wearing that white scars black armour scheme, but have legion symbols replaced with their own (they keep the white scars red motif though)

>>96838768
No. Small heads

>>96839982
that's pretty much all sagyar mazan that didn't become traitors or died during the end battle in Path of Heaven to allow the Khan to reach Terra

>>96837093
There is still lots of work to do on this model. This is black primer and little highlights. No metallicay nondirt, no battale damage.

>>96840015
yeah but those guys rejoined the legion

>>96838768
It's okay.
Basically Isstvan 5 from the point of view of the Loyalists, with a few scenes from the Traitors as connective tissue.
If suffers a bit from not trying to repeat the I5 scenes from other BL books like Fulgrim or The First Heretic. So if you haven't read those you'd miss the context of scenes and the ending would feel a bit rushed.

IMO, the biggest issue of the plot is the loyalists never stopping once to wonder about if they can trust the WB, NL, IW and AL.

You can tell French also helped wrote the Isstvan FW Black Books, there's a lot of references to events and characters from them.
Saturnine termies appear as part of Vulkan entourage, btw

>>96839295
alright the purple set is perfect for metallic EC

Bros... I made a 30k fanfic I wrote a few years back (and posted here, iirc) into an audiodrama/book. Rate

>>96840066
>IMO, the biggest issue of the plot is the loyalists never stopping once to wonder about if they can trust the WB, NL, IW and AL.

Some of those make sense. Word Bearers have been pretending to be loyalists longer than the rest of the traitors combined more or less, they're probably pretty good at it by now. Iron Warriors are fucking near impossible to read due to autism, and Alpha Legion are Alpha Legion.
That said... yeah, who the fuck trusts the Night Lords? They're literally wearing grandma's face as a trophy ont heir shoulder pads. They've got fucking batwings on their helmets.

The rank and file not really questioning things enough is one thing, the guys who come across as being the biggest morons here are the Primarchs on the scene. We're supposed to believe that Vulkan, Corax and Ferrus Manus are three of the greatest generals in the galaxy, and not only are they agreeing to the dumbest plan since the bodyguard of King Harold uttered the words "Look Sire! An arrow! Try to catch it with your teeth!" at Hastings, not one of them even seems to have considered some kind of contingency plan for further treachery.
Not one of them, in the face of Horus, the Warmaster himself, turning traitor and taking the Death Guard and the EMPERORS CHILDREN with him!?
(Nobody is surprised by Angron going traitor. Except perhaps that it took him so long.)

Rank and file not asking questions is one thing, even Ferrus Manus maybe get's a pass due to him going completely fucktarded with rage. But the other two do not have a goddamn excuse.

>>96840195
Whoops
https://youtu.be/urjwWgNEEt0

How do I differentiate Death Guard Seekers from anyone else aside from the bolter? I don't really want to do cloaks since that feels more like a Recon look to me.

Would you look at what i've found in my old /hhg/ folder

>>96840383
I think I can parse most of this except for the seapunk.

>>96840350
rhino track groin guards like 40k DG

please stop

>>96840460
That's it, have a good day

>>96836636
Wolf quads for my militia :)

Does anyone have the engine kill missions from the questoris book? The copy in the gofile cut them out for some reason

and last of the three. i think sapphire's not the one i should have used, guess i should've went with hydra for a closer AL look
it should work on my mechanicum tho

>>96840683
Fuck Primaris suck so much.

>>96840713
the early ones and baseline troops do, but when they get busier the design work a lot better.
chaplains, judiciars and bladeguard are really neat designs

>>96840725
They suck dude. FUCK Primaris. Simple as.

At least in nu-40k you can still play as real marines as Chaos.

>>96840725
>judiciars have a really neat design

>>96840725
to expand on that. i think primaris are the ultimate blank canvas, when you start bringing the bitz box, green stuff and decals, even the most basic bitch assault intercessor squad end up looking much, much better
last post from me on primaris, will post actual heresy miniatures next

>>96840772
truly, we are blessed to have superior design in every way possible in 30k

>>96840800
Morty, we’ve gotta go to the Maraviglia

>>96840350
Targeters on the backpack. Heads with sights and sights on the bolters too

>>96840941
Good times.

>>96838638
Out of the EC only Fulgrim and Eidolon got any spotlight in SoT. In particular Lucius was conspicuously absent despite his being one of the most written-about EC traitors from the start of this whole thing.

>>96840778
I think everyone will agree that it would be a much more productive and popular use of your time to fucking kill yourself.

>>96838315
What wouldn't be a meme? Like, what would be a proper non-ridiculous thing for them to do?
I do think using body doubles and lying is completely fine. Like, about half of Sun-Tzu's strategies are "consider lying".
Even toda's officers avoid being saluted on the field as to not attract a sniper, so I am okay with someone else wearing Alpharius' helmet and cape

>>96840778
Primaris are kings

>>96836960
Still working that part out myself, so far I have two ideas
>Loyalist route
A splinter company of NL’s took such a thrashing that they saw the writing on the wall; being a traitor isn't very sustainable. When they found a holdout of WS’s instead of turning their guns on them they lent them their shoulder in hopes to get back into the good graces of the Imperium. Fast forward a few months of fighting and they’re all practically brothers in arms
>Traitor route
Isolated from their legion, a WS company with prominent terran-born marines in leadership positions let their true loyalties show by asserting their allegiance to Horus. Carving out their own little warpath, they eventually find themselves meeting their match, only to be aided last second by a NL company. Never one to waste time trying to recuperate forces, the WS’s blazed on with their new NL allies in tandem, reeking havoc across systems in mindless pillaging and massacring

>>96835016 (OP)
>How do you fancy the Shattered Legion rules, too little too late or enticing?
eh im honestly not too interested in warhammer at the moment but I like the idea of using saul and loken together

>>96836280
>when this is shooting edition.
every edition is shooting edition anon.

Tried out an onslaught mission today, a few takeaways
>mission puts a lot more onus on the attacker to engage with objectives then I realized, since you score 1 per uncontrolled objective at the end of each of your turns vs the attacker scoring 1 objective per turn for a maximum of 6 per + line, he gave upon the objectives in my deployment zone until he realized it was literally impossible for him to win if he did that and rushed for them at top at turn 3.
>myrmidons are absolutely not as scary as they used to be, their guns are mean but really only good for chaff clearing, and they're only able to kill like Tacticals in melee, they'll probably crumble to any serious melee unit
>jump packs are real scary dawg, having a guaranteed 16" threat range basically made it impossible to avoid melee with only a 12" no man's land
>vindicators continue to be terrifying and I need to find something to deal with them at some point. Mech really struggles with actually putting vehicles down rather than statusing them, and those 6D blasts hurt
>the brass scorpion kicked ass and took names as expected, but the blood slaughterers performed really well too. Part of that is just because the mission rules let them pop up for surprise buttsex on a unit before dying painfully, but they're super fast and have a shitload of attacks and are inconvenient to remove for their point cost. They're also hilariously pretty blast resistant because of their huge legs lol
>archmagos had a very funny challenge arc this game, he basically blasted through every other character in his army between myrmidon's path, seize the initiative and flurry of blows, but on the last game turn the legion champion got 4 critical hits, reduced him to 1 wound, and the lowly Praetorian master Sergeant finished off with his power Fist in a reaction, which earned both slay the warlord and last man standing to tie the game.

>>96841924
What would it take for this edition's melee to be on par with its shooting? Like, maybe roll 2d6 for charges instead of 1d6 reroll?

>>96841938
>What would it take for this edition's melee to be on par with its shooting?
I don't know, make all guns 12" or something? Guns have already been mostly nerfed into the ground, their advantage is range is not damage

I think mk2 would be much better visually if the shoulder pads were just 20% smaller.

>>96841933
>Myrmidons don't really melee
>Mech really struggles with actually putting vehicles down rather than statusing them, and those 6D blasts hurt
Nooo. What can be done? Melee and vehicles are the two big dangers this time around. Don't tell me Mech has nothing for that :(

>>96841933
What are those spider like people? Not the brass Scorpion. The Three guys top left

>>96840941
kek

>>96841938
the problem is, has, and always be getting melee to combat safely. it's okay for melee to be lesser unless you want armies like Custodes to have access to better transport so they can fuck you sideways whenever they please. I think the round about way of points scoring with vanguard is the better idea but Line needs to be reworked i think.

>>96838768
I really liked it, it feels a lot better than the rather cursory treatment it got in Fulgrim.
The book actually reminds me a lot of the Slaves to Darkness novel, the last third is basically pure bolter porn (which I really enjoyed).

>>96842152
If reaching combat is the problem, roll 2d6? More variance than 1d6 rr, but at least now there's that pre-charge move thing
>Line needs to be reworked
Many people didn't like Actions, but I thought they were comfy. If Line required the unit to not fight at all to gain the extra VP, that would be workable. Line units already need to not be engaged, but by definition, they can all shoot just fine.
So even if they were both Line 1, Tacticals would be better Line than Despoilers because one unit can attack and the other one can't.
But if Line required inaction, then either unit would be equal, and in fact Despoilers would have a niche as front Liners who can bite back if you try to interrupt them in melee. Which they can do now, but don't need to because you're still better off using Tacticals as those don't need to be in melee to fight back

Did any of the legions or shattered legion use human or augumented human auxiliaries?