Thread 96850764

The Blood Bowl cometh edition

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>>96804923

Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, Kill Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,
Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster...
...and any other GW system and board game are welcome.

News: BB Third Season SOOM
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/prxigetv/sunday-preview-the-third-season-of-blood-bowl-is-underway/

Helpful resources: (feel free to suggest additions!)
https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V

TQ: How would you rank GW's games?

Book should be leaked by saturday

What are you hopin your team gets? All I want is for animosity to go away

>>96850764 (OP)
Necromunda pals, I have a few questions about specialists and genestealer cults.
The rules for genestealer cults don't mention specialists, but they say one guy can take a special weapon, does that mean he's a specialist? can he spend XP like one? The rules say new neophyte hybrids can take special weapons as they are added, does this mean they can be specialists as they want for free? what if a ganger rolls a "become a specialist" advancement? does he become 20 creds more expensive for no gain?

>>96850783
I just hope everybody has fun.

>>96850783
I want the Yhetee to be able to throw beer boars

>>96850808
Alright after extensive googling, I think I got it, they're from before specialists were a defined thing, so their rules are pretty bespoke, RAW, "specialist" only means you get to spend experience like you want, special weapons have nothing to do with it, however, this leads to special weapon spam so its recommended you bolt on newer specialist rules, with one free specialist at the start of the game, and only specialists being able to take special weapons.

/v/ related question, but does third season means Blood bowl 3 is now out of date?

>>96850783
I want Chaos Chosen to gain some starting skills

>>96850808
>>96850976
RAW they are not specialist and you can spam Special Weapon. But you came up with the normal, rational house rule.

Welcome to Specialist Games, where people joined because they can't get position at 40k department, and can't wait for a transfer. Necromunda was written by so many people nobody cares or give a fuck what's going on. Game didn't have any FAQ for a long time now, because no one at GW play this. And they had a moron making the FAQ too, it's an image so you can't even search for the words normally.

>>96850783
I hope goblins get something cool with the new Devious Skills.

>>96851056
Reason why you get strange interactions like the Magnacles.
The rules for the thing even in the new book just say it need to do an attack action. No need to hit or wound. Forcing the opponent to make an initiative test.
So you could use some Concussion carbine and give your opponet some -2 initiative and send some rookie missile with some Magnacles to lock models in place to prevent them from moving, shooting, charging.

>>96850989
Blood Bowl 3 apparently won't be using the updated rules until sometime next year, or at least that's the last I heard. That means it will still be using the latest 2020 edition rules for a time after the new season of tabletop comes out

why doesnt brutefun sell his dark elves anymore?

>>96851284
Nearly ever Squat hand weapon has the Power Pack rule, which is so vaguely written it's unclear if it works like a regular melee weapon and replaces unarmed attacks or if its additional attack works if the model already has two hand weapons.

>>96852052
I think it's pretty clear it works like a sidearm, +1 attack that uses the power pack weapon

>>96852052
If you use the Power pack weapon as your main weapon you didn't get the +1 attack. Only when "in addition to any other weapon"

What caused a shit ton of youtubers to randomly make 'Zoomers love Mordheim actually' videos randomly specifically about a year ago?
Also, what Broheim warbands are worth whitelisting for a home campaign?

Painting plastic Morannon orcs right now. Not only they are terrible sculpts and I hate them, but they have so much fucking metal and so many tiny pieces of armor that doing edge highlighting is pretty difficult, especially because metallic colors behave like crap when you try to thin them. Maybe I'm just shit at metallics, but I hate how they're looking, too little contrast.
Perhaps some kind of weird NMM is better for this? I don't know, it's probably my fault, it's not all on the sculpts, but man they look like crap.

>>96852702
>Mordheim
"Grimdark" is perfect for manchild and teenagers who want to be the modern day edgelords.

>>96852791

We play 1A-1C. I think Maneaters are pretty tough to fight early on but if they take losses it's pretty costly. I also found fighting Shadow Warriors pretty obnoxious.

>>96850783
I would like to see Black Orc's get a nice buff, nothing much maybe an extra movement or something else to help them out. i I get they are meant to be slow but movement 4 just results of other teams just easily outpacing them.

Looking forward to seeing what they do with Humans, I hope they give allot of what's considered bad teams buffs.

Did GW ever make the different variants of space marines battlebarge and strike cruiser (Mk1, Mk2, etc)? or you were supposed to only use the same miniature? i know a that mostly chaos and imperials had modular ships and stuff like light cruiser and escorts had their different variants modeled, but what about the other factions?

>>96852052
Yeah PPW is very poorly written and can be easily misinterpreted. I agree with >>96852200 interpretation as it makes the most sense after going over it previously. PPWs are weapons you can take in excess to your normal weapon limit, with a cap of 2 of them. They all have Sidearm or Melee and follow the normal rules for those, I.e. Twin Guns Blazing or close combat etc. They can be used in excess of normal weapon limits for melee in which case they give +1A using that weapon profile, otherwise they can be used normally as a Melee or Sidearm in close combat and follow the rules for that but don't get that +1A.

The biggest issue with PPWs is that GW decided to add the Circular Stone Saw as an option for everyone which is great, but then only put one on the accessory sprue meaning you only get 2 from the whole accessory box. That is some absolute bullshit.

>>96852702
Mordheim has always kind of been floating around, but what would have triggered a resurgence of attention is The Old World releasing which sparked discussion of the potential return of other WHFB ancillary/spin-off games. That or probably more general discussion around skirmish games in a similar vein to Mordheim. It only takes one video being successful for the algorithm to pick it up and the vultures swoop in.

>>96853825
There was some variants available in BFG as profiles, but no models. FW did some stuff though since I have some of their GK Strike Cruisers, but can't recall if they did any regular Chapter bits or kits for BFG.

$145 for the new season box isn't too bad. Certainly less of a deal than the current box

>>96855669
How do you know its 145$? Got something leaked?

>>96852702
>>96854431
Ya both dumb. It was the 25th anniversary of Mordheim.

>>96856971
Retailers get the price sheet for pre orders the monday after the pre orders are announced. It makes its way very easily online from there.

>>96850783
Book won't be leaked until next week, the ultramarines stuff is just shipping now.
I can post some pictures when it comes in if people care.

>>96857128
Sunday*

Fumbbl poster wont ID the guy that apparently went over the rules

>haven't played Blood Bowl since CRP
>look inside nuBB
>it's all ill-thought-out "once per game" skills, unnecessary "within two squares" area effects, and other meme balancing shit like Orc "Big Uns" not having hands

I want to play but it's just like... man. Why do people go along with these things. Why do they honk and squeal for the churn.

It's not the addition of a passing stat or even the roster changes.

>>96857502
His YouTube is Jon sao. He posted a video that he has the box and indeed does, but he didn't say what changes there were in the video but did say he would do a roster video this Saturday. I don't know if the guy is leaking information on a forum somewhere.

>>96857510
Insert meme of Luke saying everything you just said is wrong

>>96857547
Ah thanks man

>>96857510
if you can find somone to play CRP7 go nuts but most people have seen all it has to offer and want something different by this point

Anyone got a scan of Rise of Angmar they can toss me? It's the only thing I'm missing from my collection of previous edition MESBG stuff. The quality of the one I found online is poo poo.

Battlefleet Gothic hinted at boys.
We are coming home

>>96857688
>Battlefleet Gothic hinted at boys.
Please no.

>>96857688

I'm already home. I don't want it to change just so it might appeal to slopniggers.

>>96857688
I fucking hope not they'll ruin it

>>96857688
Source?

>>96857688
oh fuck
oh shit
please no

>>96857688

We already have BFG.
We have rules for the full spectrum of 40k factions.
We have dozens of fleet lists to build from.
We have mechanics for everything from boarding to teleport attacks to manifesting daemon ships to DE slave raids.
We already have a full Horus Heresy spin-off including Legion traits and Gloriana ships.
We have dozens of sculptors producing models for every ship class in the game.
We already have a worldwide playerbase.

We do not need a new BFG that breaks up what we already have, only to sell it back to us piece-by-piece and stupider.
The game is already complete.

>>96857761
What could just be a dumb joke at the end of today's rumor mill

>>96857510
Go ahead and detail all of these once per game skills that teams have as well as AOE skills. Foul and disturbing presences aren't ubiquitous, and neither are beer boar's pick me up
Additionally, Senor Dramafag, Big Uns can pick up the ball and have hands. They just can't pass

More team change details for third season:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/64evk1wu/find-out-what-team-changes-the-warhammer-studio-are-looking-forward-to-in-blood-bowl/

>>96857940
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>96857688
>it's HH locked

>>96858005

> Pump Wagons no longer secret weapons

I'm beginning to think Snotlings are not a proper Stunty team.

>>96858107
I'm starting to think you wallet cucks aren't even sapient.

>>96857931
Do you have plastic miniatures?

>>96858247
Yes, now fuck off.

>>96857931
It's going to happen for the same reason Blood Bowl was brought back into their fold in 2016: if they don't do something with it they will lose IP rights for disuse.
So GW doing BFG is actually an attack on BFG to prevent the community efforts from being used as the influx of incredibly vocal whales that buy whatever GW does with it will rabidly crusade across the internet in an all out war to convince people that it is the only option.
On the one hand we don't want consumer noobs or their whale commanders in the game, but on the other hand it will serve to obfuscate and bury all existing groups who play the loving crafted community rules, internet searches for videos or local groups will invariably direct you to GW garbage from the day of it's release onward.

>>96858321
Let's see them

Jesus Christ the dwarf changes are major!

Linos now devious primary, not strength. Lost tackle, gained defensive.
Runner 80k with sprint.
Blitzer 100k with tackle and diving tackle
Roller mv 5, dirty player no longer +2

>>96858355
Oh yeah just let me scrape the paint off my fleets and cut a few of the minis in half to show you, eh?

>>96858358
Where you seeing this? Thought the Spanish dude was only gonna leak the stuff this Saturday.

>>96858358
That's weird, I don't see any changes being made to the rulebook on my shelf?

>>96857366
I'm assuming the last column is leafbux, right?

Holy shit the hysterics in this thread.

>>96857366
>spike journals separate from the rules
So, on DAY 1, the two launch teams will not be in the rule book.

>>96858583

I think they have to be, otherwise the core box set doesn't include rules for the models it's packed with.

>>96858583
The team rule can be printed on a single page. The Spike Journal doesn't come with just 5 pages of rule. It came with sport news and comic like a sport magazine.

>>96858650
>handy cheat sheets to help you get through your first few games
This is where you will find a premade team roster for exactly the 11 models that come in the box for each team, this designed to make you want to go out and purchase a separate box of minis for each team and the two separate journals for each team.

>>96858358
>>96858375

>>96858583
rules for every team is printed in the book, spike magazines instead contain special rules for different pitches, balls, and leagues players may play with on their own

>>96858363
What a terrible cop out, nomodels detected

>>96858704
Stop moving the goalposts. The new teams will clearly be in the new rulebook, you gigatard

>>96858834
>>96858871
You can go back and look at the 2016 rule book to see this is not a given.

>>96858704
>>96858834
>>96858871
>>96858962

2nd season had Nobility and Black Ork team stats in the rulebook and also published a Spike Journal that both teams shared.

>>96859077
Right and they have since realized that doing a double journal resulted in half the sales and that having the box team rules in the book also resulted in loss of sales.
If they were going to streamline things again then the journal for these two would also be a double issue, which it is not, showing GW has examined the numbers and didn't like what they saw.

>>96858453
Yeah. Monopoly money.

>>96859481
As a leaf I have to inform you that Monopoly money is more solid in value than our currency as the value of each monopoly bill is the value of the paper it is printed on and FIAT currencies are worth less than the materials they are printed on.

Show me your silly gang ideas

>>96858962
>>96859094
This is an extremely weird hill to die on. Do you not know what full means when they say full rulebook?

>>96859806
I felt like doing a silly all Wyld Runners with cats list

>>96860033
>what full means when they say full rulebook
Yes, it means that over the next 4ish years you will see 3-6 hardcover supplements for $60-70 each that will contain core rules, like rosters for teams that have existed for 20+ years and which you already own models for and have played with for years.

>>96859806
I felt like doing a silly all Wyld Runners with cats list

>>96858962
>>96859094
This is an extremely weird hill to die on. Do you not know what full means when they say full rulebook?

>>96859077
Before you see a full set of spike journals (1 for each faction) you will see more than one faction get a repeat spike journal.

>>96858358
Koopa come back.

We all miss you, even antg

>Always wanted to play Mordheim
>Tell a buddy and he's interested
>He finds three more people new to gaming who are super excited about the idea of a Mordheim group
>Make a groupchat. Everyone is building warbands. A couple of us are making terrain and objective pieces
>One guy suddenly says he is having cold feet about Mordheim because it isn't officially "supported" anymore and we should switch to Frostgrave
>Other new people getting excited about new shiny thing
Holy fuck I hate people

>>96860497
Roll the d20, mordcuck.

>>96860033
>>96860142
GW bot confirmed.

>>96860497
>tfw just bought some midhammer minis to make Mordheim warbands
Eh, even if there are no people playing in my area I'll do them as a modeling project. Might use the terrain as extras for Malifaux or something too.

>>96860497
>groupchat
Where?

Through the course of human history, one thing about /tg/ has always been true.

>>96857693
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96857709
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96857716
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96857835
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96857931
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96858344
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.
>>96858363
You don't have any models (proonts don't count) and you don't play.

In conclusion, /tg/ is a land of contrasts.

How's the price for the new edition of BB? A friend is considering getting it, but doesn't know whether it's good value or not. Personally I think it's a bit on the expensive side, but I'm used to mesbg, which is a bit cheaper, considering there's a huge 2nd hand market

>>96858735
I didn't expect them to change this many of the starting skills across all players

>>96860952
2020 was a mild shit test to see if they could make big changes and still sucker you into paying.
This time they're going whole hog with it, 2020 was still backwards compatible with 2016/LRB if you just converted passing, 2026 BB won't be compatible at all.

>>96858735
>lore mentions dwarfs are lying sacks of shit who lie about the rules to do what they want
>give them devious skills
It just werks.

>>96860289
That aint me despite for once, the Jesus. I miss yous too.

>>96852702
>Low model count
>High customisation
>Cheap as balls to play with a pdf and cardboard scenery
>DIY friendly
>Small space requirements

It went up in popularity during lockdown, then youtubers got into it and began milking it, as every piece of terrain, conversion and paint job can be turned into a whole video.

As for Warbands, I stick to 1a and 1b.

>>96857020 while true, the popularity spike begun back in 2019, during the game's 20th anniversary.

>>96857931
But wouldn't all that be much better if split into a dozen books released quarterly, with new editions that break everything every third year and $150+ big box releases sold for fomo?

>>96860497
Build 2-3 Warbands yourself and some terrain, then convince a single person for a quick game.
That's how you get them hooked and grow a group.

I still play the 2016 BB version. It's simplier and I like it that way.

>>96857688
Let me guess it will be set during HH so it is basically only a single boxed set with 2 sets of the same ships but you are supposed to paint one set up as evil. And the rules will be nothing like the actual BFG we like.

>>96858735
>Linos lose tackle and S primary
Get fucked

>>96858735
Good thing JTY got removed from the team, he'd never stand for this. FUCK DORFS

>>96852791
Dude those are easy to paint. Just paint the metalics on, nuln oil wash a couple times and drybrush with metalics again. Paint the leather, paint the skin, do the base, done.

>>96857366
Fuckers make you buy the cards separate from the models. Unbelievable.

>>96858735
>dwarf nigger in my LGS group chat losing it because he can't infinitely stack guard and mighty blow as much
Lmao...

>>96860860
What if I don’t have models and have played (using someone else’s minis)? I only expect a snarky reply from you but seriously, I’ve played the game i’d rather GW not touch it ever

>>96860923
It leaked I think at $145 USD

>>96861181
Come home carbomber even the /v/ league misses you

>>96860923
If he likes the looks of the teams and has no blood bowl stuff, it's a good value at $145
The last season starter was a hell of a value but the teams were shit

>>96861882
It sounds like your experience will remain completely unchanged? Except that maybe you'll be able to buy your own models now.

You weren't playing regularly, you weren't a part of whatever BFG "community" still exists, you weren't painting or converting, you weren't evangelizing the game to new players, etc.

Why would anyone care what you want for the future of the game you were barely involved in?

>>96862082
>Why would anyone care what you want
Because I have experience with the ruleset and know what works? And I know GW would fuck it up terribly as they’ve consistently have done? Models wise sure I wouldn’t know shit besides what i’d want, which would be just updated models in the same scale as opposed to changing the scale drastically like i expect them to do. I find it funny you’re so eager to cast aside any opinions that don’t support GW considering you said everyone who wouldn’t want it has no models and never played the game, have you played BFG? Do you have models?

>snotling pump wagons are no longer secret weapons
are the refs even TRYING?

>>96862821
No

>>96860497
You have my sympathy anon. My mates had talked about wanting to get into Mordheim for years. Then in 2019 I found a bunch of my old models in storage which gave me the motivation to actually get a campaign going. Despite all the talk, every one of them got cold feet when it actually got to the "acquiring and painting minis" part.
It took awhile but I did eventually get some Mordheim going in town though and we've been able to keep a campaign going for over a year at this point. Just keep at it anon, you'll find people to play with eventually!

>>96862821
Pretty epic and timely commentary GW. Making the blatant cheating part of the game more interesting and important for all teams really reflects the modern state of the real sport. Devious skills, cheating dwarfs, SW-Free pump wagons are all choices in the right direction.

Calling it now, 4+ on shadowing will make it actually useful and annoying when you roll it random on a zombie or dwarf that you want to use to mark pieces.
They can’t keep getting away with it!

>>96862821
Snotlings are the new Kansas City Chiefs

>>96862821
Snotlings are basically a halftime show all game. Cabalvision ratings wizards divined that ratings plummeted when the wagons went off, so refs have been instructed to look the other way so long as the wagons are sufficiently entertaining.

>>96862626
Like they've consistently done?

The new version of Necromunda is superior to the old version of Necromunda. The new version of Titanicus was widely lauded. The newest versions of Kill Team mog the shit out of the old ones. Games with no direct predecessor (like WarCry and Underworlds) get widespread generally-good reviews for their gameplay.

I played BFG in the early 2000's. I bought one sprue (box?) of Imperial ships and eventually gave up because I didn't want to play the Imperium and I was a child (so any consideration of something like FW would have been out of the question). I still have the sprue(s) and bits from the Imperial ships, although I have chopped up many of the parts for terrain embellishment and conversions throughout the years.

>>96863194
Worth noting that there's a better than 50% chance I wouldn't even be able to play "new BFG" because it would probably be Heresy BFG, still a choice between Imperium or Haunted Imperium.

But the NO NEW STUFF, EVER crowd are the biggest non-stakeholder secondary faggots on the planet.

>>96863194
I mostly agree with you but
>The newest versions of Kill Team mog the shit out of the old ones
Old KT and New KT are both terrible games for totally different reasons with gameplay systems that are so different that they're not even really comparable.

>>96863212
>still a choice between Imperium or Haunted Imperium.
Not even that, it's 18 slightly different flavors of imperium depending on how you paint them.
I can't help but admire how much mileage they're able to wring out of a prequel setting with one set of kits.

Which Warcry box comes with a good smattering of terrain? I'm really eyeballing Catacombs

>>96863421
The old versions were a dusty fart, squeezed out by rote. They didn't have interesting rules or team building.

The new version is not to my personal tastes, given how gamified it is, but it's absolutely a tight, well-designed system for people that want a competitive, deterministic game.

>>96863429
>I can't help but admire how much mileage they're able to wring out of a prequel setting with one set of kits.
A (very very small) part of me actually thinks it's sort of cool, because wasn't the concept of the HH deliberately invented so they could justify printing the contents of the first plastic boxed set twice in different colors and having them face off against each other?

And now 35-40 years later they're still releasing products and games with the same sales model.

Does anyone got the kill team rules from white dwarf 517? I'll be damned if I give GW money for 5 pages

>>96863441
1st edition if you can find for an ok price.

>>96863441
Catacomb is the shittiest variation of Warcry no one played or even want to remember it exist. The terrain is about 2/3 of the Original starter.

In term of terrain the original warcry and blood harvest have the most. But it's warcry you don't want to build a maze, because the gameplay is you moved next to the other dude and slap the shit out of each other. And making complicated terrain it's just a waste of time, All you need for Warcry is 2 platforms, wall and obstacle on the ground, then maybe a bridge connecting the platforms, or some centerpiece model.

>>96863486
>it's absolutely a tight, well-designed system
It used to be. Now its bloated to hell. Its seen a severe drop in players because its just too arduous to actually play.
When every single team has a dozen different stratagems, equipment, and every model has unique rules, its just too bloated. To have a truly interesting match you'd need to know your own rules exactly and also your opponent's. Its fucking awful, who wants to memorize dozens and dozens of gotcha stratagems for a single match? The setup takes fucking ages as well.

Terrible game these days. Was great when people played just compendium teams

>>96863835
I can believe that, I haven't played since summer 2024 or kept up with competitive developments.

I would still take that over the "classic" versions of Kill Team, which simply weren't even worth playing.

>>96863862

I played a classic KT league around ~2016 and my opponent had brought 9 Necron jetbikes. It was shit.

>>96857688
Never played it, but was giving a thought to try out eldar. However I was getting an impression from a glimpse of their rules that they are very hit-or-miss faction, so not very fun to play against. Am I mistaken? My friend plays as Imperium.

>>96863194
>The new version of Necromunda is superior to the old version of Necromunda.
I can't fully agree with this. I haven't played the first edition, but I've played a lot of Shadow War Armageddon (which is basically a first edition Necromunda with minimal changes and 40k factions instead of gangs).

The only two major advantages of the newmunda over oldmunda is that it has alternative activations (longer games, but less downtime for each player) and that a single failed bottle check does end the scenario right away (which was very gay and I hate Mordeheim for this as well). Other than that, the old melee combat was much involved, the old advancement system was better and the game was a well-made ruleset within 1 book instead of overbloated mess that is impossible to play without online rule compilation like [Necroraw.ru].

>>96863977
new necromunda make the house gang the main character and gave them unique quirk. Oldmunda the house gangs are generic trooper only different in skill choices, there're a reason people only remember the oddball gangs in oldmunda, because they're the main character with the unique quirks.

>>96863984
Its a matter of taste, but I prefer oldmunda approach, where gangs started out very similar, but became vastly different over the course of the campaign due to random advancements and trading post rolls.

For the newmunda all gangs start as special snowflakes with ridiculous unique shit but level up Toughness, BS and spam the best 1 or 2 skills from their available skill tables.

There is one additional plus for the newmunda compared to the oldmunda which I forgot to mention though, the removal of overwatch as a general core mechanic. I had a few games in SWA resulting in an overwatch stand-off, where both sides were forced to sit and wait.

>>96863984
Yes. Cookie cutter spam is far worse in Old Necromunda. Lasgunline and heavy stubber (maybe plasma cannon), same set of skills on everyone who can take. It was not "well-made"

>overbloated mess that is impossible to play without online rule compilation
This is a pussified take (lie). Why would you need to look things up from multiple rulebooks in the middle of a game? Fuck off Baxx the faggot.

>>96863954
There are two factions in BFG that can quickly lose you friends if played. Necrons are number 1, Eldar are number 2. Eldar are because of free column shift, and saves against lances.

>>96864002
You're lying through teeth if you say players of old Necromunda were more likely to select different upgrades than in new Necromunda. Every gang in old Necromunda became the exact same thing midway through campaign.

>>96864013
How so if you had random advances? Even the skills were always random.
>>96864007
>Why would you need to look things up from multiple rulebooks in the middle of a game?
If you give it a little thought, you can easily answer this one yourself.
>>96864012
Is it possible to make an eldar fleet which is fun to play against, or is it a faction's core mechanic which you find problematic?

>>96864055
forgot to include the advancement table pic

>>96863977
Without having actually played N95 your words don't carry much weight. Shadow War does indeed pilfer some mechanics from N95 but not when it comes to the campaign and rosters. You are romanticising the game, which I say as someone who did play N95 when it was new and plays N17/23 now. N95 is great fun but it is massively limited compared to N23 even if the staggered release with 2 restarts largely fucked keeping the rules together in a coherent manner. That being said insofar as the actual rules for play you only need N23 which is worth having in hardback. Making rosters or playing specific campaigns is where other books come in. And even then it is generally 1-2 which you will be fine with pirating PDFs for. It is also fairly easy to find stuff in the books once you realise they basically standardised the order of sections in the books and put them in a logical grouping and order.

>>96864055
>If you give it a little thought, you can easily answer this one yourself.
This is a cop-out answer because you drew a complete blank.

Your weapon and equipment information will be on your fighter cards or roster sheet. The vast majority of other information will be in the main rulebook, and your gang special rules will be in your "codex" equivalent (assuming you're too lazy to print yourself a game aid with the 2-3 pieces of information you will actually need from a House book in a single game).

You're either clueless or holding it to a fake standard ("I need to be able to look up any possible rule my opponent could bring [which is why I always carried 10 codexes to every game of 40K]")

>>96864055
Eldar are not fun to play against unless you are ready for them and have the ability to get close enough to not get overly fucked by their faction rules. If you are starting out it is better to do something more simple like Imperial vs Imperial or Imperial vs Chaos. Once you are all familiar with the rules and have grasped them then start looking at using fancier factions. But regardless inform your friend beforehand that you intend to play Eldar so he can see what he is getting into.

>>96864066
I only played Shadow War for ~6 months after it came out, but I think one of the ways it MASSIVELY improved on Necromunda's formula was by actually differentiating the "gangs" and giving them different weapon loadouts to shoot for.

If all you've ever played was Shadow War, imagine playing it but every player uses the same faction.

>>96863683
lmfao it's like 300 everywhere
>>96863686
I mean Catacombs having 2/3 of the first set's terrain is good then, no? Less clutter on the field. Plus the two teams look cool as hell.

>>96864074
Shadow War was different simply by virtue of the gear options were all based off the various kits that you could use in it. It was actually the perfect entry platform to cross sell players into 40k. It is so retarded that it died because of internal division rivalry at GW. My only complaint about Shadow War was the poorly thought out advance and campaign systems. You could clearly see that it was a product thrown together in a weekend. However it could easily have been developed further or had a 2.0 that expanded on it. I know they killed it to make way for KT which could also have worked but not quite as elegantly as Shadow War had the potential to. And then they just went full pants on head retarded even more for KT2.0.

>>96864066
>You are romanticising the game
Perhaps. What was the go-to spam from your experience in N95?
>>96864069
Arbitrating is a lot more time-consuming without a rule compilation.
>>96864074
Thanks for the tips, I think I'll still try eldar, as I like their aethetic way too much.

>>96864093
>Thanks for the tips, I think I'll still try eldar, as I like their aethetic way too much.
was meant for >>96864070

>>96864055
>How so if you had random advances? Even the skills were always random.
I definitely botched this. I suppose what I should've said was "everybody rolled on the same tables in the same order" because it was well-known which ones had the most favourable odds of generating a powerful skill,

>>96864093
N95 boiled down to have more guns than your opponent. And have better range on those guns than your opponent. Getting into melee reliably was a pipe dream unless you had things like Infiltrate or Vents/Tunnels. And even then you could negate that to a large degree. The rest was just get lucky to build enough creds to equip a handful of fighters well, and the rest were lasgun fodder or ablative wounds for your Heavy/s. Advances were a combination of praying for the right stat boost or rolling 2 or 12 so you could choose from skill tables you didn't normally have access to. Gang disparity could generate very quickly and become insurmountable. All this being said you could very much have fun with it, but things could get very bullshit very fast and it would get to a point where you just didn't want to play against specific players anymore because it just meant free XP for them and more injuries for you. Great game for its time and will always be a classic, but mechanically N23 arguably quantitively superior despite its flaws.

>>96864093
>Arbitrating is a lot more time-consuming without a rule compilation.
Now you're moving the goalposts from needing the books during play to needing the books in your life whatsoever.

Yes, you need the books if you want to enjoy an all-encompassing complete (to-date) version of the game. If you are non-autistic and can accept a partial version of the game without mentally collapsing then there are many books you can ignore completely. Using all of the books offers a far richer, deeper, layered, and textured experience than Oldcromunda ever did, which is why so many people choose to use them all.

>>96864093
>Arbitrating is a lot more time-consuming without a rule compilation.
That is what N23 is for. You will spend more time arguing over how to interpret poorly worded rules than you will trying to find the rules. The only reason you would need to reference another book would be for a gang specific skill/ability, and those will be in the same section for those books every time.

>>96864102
Thanks for the detailed answer. Its a bit funny, but many of the things you've mentioned are still a problem in N23, like getting into melee being a challenge and bulding your gang around pinning fodder being a must.
>>96864104
Alright, I'm throwing the towel in. But you can't argue that an online compilation of rules with a search function is a lot more handy than having them spreaded between multiple books.
>>96864092
Agreed, SWA was the real KT2.0. Not that the idea of KT is bad (I really like the Combat and Stealthy stances for fighters), but I liked the random advancement system. Also fuck harlequins.

>>96864182
It is no where near as hard to get into melee in N23 compared to N95. Not by a long shot. Having different movement values, variable charge distance, Overwatch being a skill rather than standard rule, the list goes on. Having trouble engaging in melee in N23 is an issue of player tactics rather than mechanical shortcomings like in N95. Alternative activation alone already played a massive role in fixing that compared to IGYG. Fodder will always be a thing simply due to weight of fire being king, but there are more ways around it now and in-built deployment size limitations on scenarios helps too. It is hard to really explain how different it is unless you really experienced N95 first hand with any sizeable campaign. Now you mostly only run into sustained problems if people are intentionally power gaming like an asshole, rather than it consistently becoming a dumpster fire organically. It is also funny that someone posted a snippet from Underhive earlier in the thread which is the version of N95 that contributed to the GW forums getting shut down because we all kept posting about how much of a lazy hack copy and paste job it was and missed taking out all the references to catching fire. Fun times.

>>96858735
The future is Female. Amazon supremacy forever! I hope zons get hit too

I'm sorry but if you think N95 was hard to get into combat in, you weren't setting up your terrain right at all

>>96864252
Lol what a fat bitch.

>>96864277
I should look up the N95 rules, I did play it back then, but barely remember as I was a kid. I do love N23 though. I think a bit of a mix of both would make the best version of Necromunda

>>96861937
Soon...

>>96864252
Unf
>>96864226
I think that N95 and N23 both shit on melee, but N23 does it way harsher by making charges a M+D3" rather than Mx2" (even though everyone moved 4"). Although overwatch from the original seems like a nightmare.
>>96864295
What would you cherry pick from 95 and 23 versions?

>>96863421
When you say old kill team are you talking about the 4th edition KT with klaxon counters, brutes and being a scenarios of good guys vs bad guys or KT made after 8th?
Because the 4th one is a totally different beast than current KT closer in theme to shadow war Armageddon

>>96864252
They better give Norse something more than hatred. Hopefully a yeti buff

>>96864590
Norse gets an indirect buff already by other teams losing positionals, and S access it seems

>>96864252
the kirk hating troon hates this

>>96852702
I don't know but I love it, otherwise Mordheim would still be too obscure for me to get interested on it.

>>96864702
I have a feeling the positional losses will be a mixed bag, some hurting and others getting pretty strong. If hatred on taking a cas is the only thing Norse get, meh. Bump yeti down to loner 3+ plz

Look at me Elfs man, cant keep the ball in their tiny hands.

>>96864974
What about rats

>>96865047
0-2 stab gutters, 0-2 ma8 strip storm vermins. Maybe D access for linerats.

>>96864337
come back we miss you.... v league is doing a fumbbl season when christer implements the changes. maybe return and fire tg league up for 1 last ride?

>>96865157
I will need to make a new account. No promises as I am quite busy as of late. We'll see.

>>96865229
atleast come back to the discords so you can chat bro. even if you aren't gonna play

>>96862082
Go back, predator.

>>96864252
Just you wait when Amazon Linewomen lose Dodge and get Jump Up or something

>>96863212
>the NO NEW STUFF, EVER crowd are the biggest non-stakeholder
Because we will not ever generate a profit for your bosses?

I really want to know what they did with Nurgle or Black Orcs, they really needed a buff :( I don't expect anything but even more Elf/Vamp dominance this edition

>>96865481
POST KHORNE / CHAOS CHOSEN

>>96865542
I love you sir, thank you.

>CHAOS BUFFED


YYEEWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

FFFFFFUUUUUUCCCCCCCC YAAAAAAAA

my favs

>>96865555
Oh hey it's this faggot again
How many years now that you haven't bothered painting shit properly?

>>96865542
Gnomes please!!

>>96865570
50 BILLION YEEEEHAAAA

>>96865559
Sir, can I have Khorne please?

Its not my book im just watching a streamer go over what hes got
>>96865594
>>96865585

>>96865602
Link please?

>>96865602
Are the starter box teams in there?

>>96865612
>Saurus free juggernaut

What the fuck?!

>>96865602
Thanks for your service regardless

>>96865628
Built to knock up squire pussy.

>>96863664
https://www.reddit.com/r/killteam/comments/1o87a64/this_months_white_dwarf_issue_517_kill_team/

Show us Khorne please. And High Elves if they are in.

WHERE IS KHORNE???

>>96865740
>blorcs get no changes

Jesus....come on Jay

>>96865756
Troll no loner

Owa doesnt suck giga dick anymore

fucking skeleton sucks again

>>96865779
Didn't they always have those stats?

>>96865792
Zombie got buffed for the same cost and skeletons cant get DP on primary

Denizens plz

>>96865771
Really surprised OWA, Renegades and presumably Underworld still exist given GW's one box rules

N IS FOR NURGLE

>>96865800
skellies can secure deez nutz

KHORNE WHEN???

>>96865827
>One box rule
>Every team still needs two boxes but now you are just buying them to get linemen
Based GW finding new ways to make their products miserable

Back to BB and considering getting the new box. But first, I wanna make sure...does the box include everything (and I really mean EVERYTHING) I need to play? Like does it have the typical GWs caveat of not including enough models to represent your whole team like they do with KT boxes? Is there any scenario where I'd need more bretonnians ever if we're playing a regular league?

>>96865952
yes, it's a good value starter that gives your everything you need

>>96865779
BRO WHERE ARE THE REST???

>>96865779
at least we know from this that no one on the development team plays skaven.
>we have to reduce them to one box and remove two of the good players. What should we do?
>put useless skills on both the remaining players that should do it!

>>96866006
Orcs and Humans also got fucked. Ridiculous policy.

>>96866025
Nigga, Orcs got insane buffs to make up for less positionals

>>96866025
At the very least the skills they gave the remaining orc guys actually have some use more than once during a game. It's still shit, but it's better than skaven who lose two gutter runners and gain the grand total of 2 squares of movement.

>>96866042
Their blockers and blitzers got nice buffs but does that compensate losing 2 blitzers and 2 blockers?

post nors cock

>>96850764 (OP)
What do you think is in store for Necromunda? Could follow the trend and update CGC (hopefully making them actually fun to play against) or add a whole new gang or two.

I feel like Brat Gangs and Scavvies are long overdue.

>>96866056
Yes. Half the teams lost Primary S access but Orcs still have it so are one of the few teams that can spam MB and Guard
You get the Team Captain rule so you get free Pro on either a Blitzer or a Blocker plus get a re-roll refund on a 6
Animosity is dead

These are all huge buffs

>>96866096
Probably some new book. New box set if we are lucky.

>>96866129
Still have a dream of a sump-themed boxset of Cawdor knights with sceap armor, shields, and swords (similar to Van Saar’s bonus kit) vs Scavvie mutants in the sump or something.

Brats are my dream gang though.

>>96866116
Nobs finally got a buff. Ag 3+ linemen is great. Shame the thrower still sucks ass.

Where Norse leak sirs

>>96866116
Nobs got buffs, blorcz got no-loner troll and goblins with a big D.

>give zombies a new skill that removes assists AND fouling on primary
>skeletons get...........................
??????????

>>96866006
At least they can shank dudes now

>>96866424
>They can secure dez ballz

>>96865559
>renegade thrower finally got sure hands
>still 3+ passing and animosity (all)

>>96866469
You don't have to buy it

>>96866469
Well its good enough to be a runner at least.

But I think its funny that they only take the weakest orcs for the chaos teams^^

>>96866258
SIR PLEASE MOAR

>>96865628
they needed to be given something for increasing their cost by 5 and making so they can't use "on the ball" at least chameleon skinks get access to pass skills as primary now. id wish they or the krox got chomp though.

>>96866664
What teams are left?
Vamps, Nugle, Khorne, Norse and Welves

...and underworld

>>96865935
No one bought the one box excuse. Not even GW themselves.

>>96866743
>No one bought the
because the excuse doesn't have a pricetag, be honest, if they made you pay to hear it you'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Hi hi
Necromunda rules for GSC say models can't be given a weapon of a type not allowed in their entry list.
Does that mean type as in, "shotgun with solid and scatter ammo" or "basic weapon, special weapon, close combat weapon"?
In other words, I for sure cannot equip a heavy bolter on a neophyte hybrid, but can I equip it on an acolyte, because his fighter card mentions Heavy Weapons?

>>96866258
SAAAAAAARRRRRR

>>96865935
That's easily the shittiest part. I'm fine with all teams having x2 of 3 different cool positionals, but they need to have linemen booster boxes or something

>>96865453
Because you want to live in a self-soothing nostalgia mind palace, engaged in an unending cold war against reality, as a protective mechanism to cope with your constituent characteristic being Fear.

>>96866944
>your constituent characteristic being Fear.
Fear that I will miss out if I don't buy New Thing?

>>96866808
It means "basic, pistol, special, heavy, etc." because those are what weapon types are in Necromunda.

Do be aware that the GSC rules are quite old in the lifespan of Necromunda, and the game has changed around them without being updated. All the gangs that DID receive updates now have a different sort of system for weapon allowances.

If you join a campaign with a competent arbitrator your expectation should be that a version of those changes will be backported onto GSC. The main ramification of this will be that you cannot spam special weapons on regular gangers.

>>96865453
>Because I have experience with the ruleset and know what works? And I know GW would fuck it up terribly as they’ve consistently have done? Models wise sure I wouldn’t know shit besides what i’d want, which would be just updated models in the same scale as opposed to changing the scale drastically like i expect them to do. I find it funny you’re so eager to cast aside any opinions that don’t support GW considering you said everyone who wouldn’t want it has no models and never played the game, have you played BFG? Do you have models?
do you even play any of the games listed in the beginning of this thread lmao

So like why the fuck would you play Orcs over Black Orcs????? What are they doing???????

>>96867051
Better ball carriers and captain.

>>96866972
Fear of everything. Fear and insecurity are the core motivating emotions of conservatism, and the Nothing New, Evers are largely conservatives.

It's possible to break down all the types of fear/things you fear, but I'm not going to do that comprehensively. Here's a starter pack:

fear of death: clinging to your childhood likes makes you feel like you're staving off the void

fear of inexpertise: you're worried other people will surpass you in <new> version of thing

fear of waste: you fear the feeling of concluding your expended time, study, experience of <old> version was a waste if <new> version takes over

fear of inadequacy: you fear not being good at or grasping <new> knowledge or paradigm and being overmatched by other people participating in the same thing

fear of other people: you fear darkies, people with dyed hair, all these ineffectual groups you are constantly sweating over possibly having to interact with in a hobby context

fear of swindling: you fear being "ripped off," the possibility of accidentally paying $20 extra for something and then later determining it wasn't worth that amount gives you nightmares

You're just a huge ball of insecurity. You oppose any movement or change because it unavoidably alters your current position and self-conception of mastery by some fractional amount. Normal people are chill and can roll with the punches and shrug off tiny displeasures or defeats. You are softer than shit, and want to be protected in eternal stasis.

>>96867198
Nyayrt but this is ludicrous cope lmao

nuGW would ruin BFG or Mordheim or Warmaster and they're better off in the hands of the community itself, like Blood Bowl was.

>>96867198
That's some intense projection there kiddo, you should get some meds for all that.

>>96867025
You need to backpedal a bit and explain the context of whatever argument inside your head just leaked out in this comment.

>>96867349
GW really hates Blood Bowl.

>>96867369
So it's now an entirely new game with only an aesthetic link to Blood Bowl.

stop crying you babies

>>96867349
Fuck me.

I HATE nuGW
I HATE nuGW
I HATE nuGW

It's funny, they'll faff with the points values every other fucking week, but then some retard on £19k a year will make a decision like this and that's it for Five fucking years

There is no design philosophy, just soiboys and corporate

>>96867349
is that the throw a rock rule?

>>96867349
Holy fucking based
But does that mean you can stall after turn 6? I'm guessing the turn count refreshes at the half?

>>96867349
i'm not using the stalling rule for my league

>>96867349
Yeah, fuck off. House-ruling that one out.
Rare enough you can do that as is.

>>96867387
I mean... How

Stalling is not fun gameplay

>>96867349
> Ahh the seething WAACfags crying they can do their bitch tier move
Lmao get fucked faggots

>>96867427
they've rewritten and renamed the skills, the teams and the core functionality of the rules.
It's an entirely different game.

>>96867440
wow......... almost like........... a new edition.................... bros..................................................

>>96867436
Stalling is the only way for bash teams to control the score against agi teams. Forcing a nurgle team to bang it in on turn 4 is just asking to lose every game

>>96867440
And you came to this after reading two new skills?
That it is a FUNDAMENTALLY different game?
Consider the noose

>>96867442
No, a new edition tweaks the game, the scale and number of changes visible in this leak alone far surpass a tweak.
It's not a new edition, it's a new game.
What's more it's a game without any playtesting, all of this was done on a "you know what I think would be cool?" basis coming from people who only played a handful of games because the boss told them to.

>>96867443
Or you just do your faggot stalling slightly shorter of the goal line

>>96867244
>>96867292
Wow great arguments, despite the thread having a long discussion about how newer versions of SDS are demonstrably better than older versions.

I think both of you fags just showed Fear of Losing an Argument in realtime. Thank you for the sample.

>>96867459
>demonstrably better than older versions.
you have demonstrated nothing but the source of your paycheque

>>96867458
This. It just increases the risk of early stalling

>>96867443
You have no way of knowing this now that so many teams have lost like 20%+ of their juice due to positionals removal. You are only assessing this rule as though it was a houserule applied to previous versions of BB.

I certainly have no faith that GW playtested this enough to know any better than you do, but you're just sheer guessing right now.

>>96867467
You have demonstrated your dependence on anti-psychotic medication.

>>96867491
>You are only assessing this rule as though it was a houserule applied to previous versions of BB.
This is what every shill ITT is doing for every single change leaked, they refuse to look at the totality of the changes together and they cannot perceive that this is only a fraction of what the final product will look like in 4-5 years when they actually finish it immediately before starting you off on yet a new edition.
They are physically incapable of accepting that the modus operandi here is constant sales and that GW does not give a flying fuck if you have a good time playing a good game.

>>96867497
>you're psychotic if you aren't a consumer slave!

this doesn't seem like a great skill

>>96867543
Gluing together the new Battlefleet Gothic models I bought from CBS with Levi's superglue.

>>96867518
I won't know if the changes are good or bad until I play them out. Shaking up the game and getting new teams is exciting

>>96867491
I'm not assessing the rule, I was assessing the statement that stalling is not fun gameplay. Fun or not, currently it is the way that slower teams control the score against teams capable of scoring in one or two turns. Maybe it will change in the new ruleset, I don't know.

>>96867603
I suppose it's sort of like wrestle, a way to knock a player down that would be hard to block

Like you put a goblin on the line and he gets punched but has a chance of taking something much more valuble out with him

>>96867491
>plebbit spacing
you've got to go back

I really don't care about Boomer Bowl.

>>96867349
Are they fucking serious

>>96867696
If you find Blood Bowl boring you can play a different game.

>>96867603
>a player without the secret weapon trait cannot have this skill
i guess this is to make the opponent hesitate on blitzing your fanatic, bomma, or looney, but it only being a 4+ and only when they're knocked down makes it seemingly too risky of a choice

Think it's better to think of it as a defensive option, with a bonus that it can hurt the opponent. A chainsaw gobbo or B&C is more than likely going out of action anyway if they're knocked down, and a 50/50 of bypassing the injury roll completely, witha bonus reverse KD seems okay?

> Underworld
> Renegades
> OWA

>>96865239
Not like I have played for a long time, either.

did we see halflings???

>>96866116
holy shit nobs look playable

As someone who has never played blood bowl all these doomposts have no effect on me.

>>96867696
GW also won't know until you play.

any idea about the "favoured of..." rules?
are they just for stars again or do they do something?

Blood Bowl has never been a success under GW, it was abandoned early in it's life for that reason.
It was Jervis and the community working together that made it an international success which saw the NAF and FUMBBL created.

>>96868174
>As someone who has never played blood bowl
You should get in touch with GW, this qualifies you to be a Blood Bowl developer/designer.

Just use whatever ruleset you like the most and enjoy the new plastic figures

>>96868325
The new figures aren't compatible with old rules, dumbass.

>>96866006
>Hit and Run works with Stab
>Hit and Run is an Agility access skill now
>They gave Gutter Runners Stab
>"useless skill"

I can see the potential for cage dives on teams with lower AV carriers, you get a free escape afterwards.

>>96868341
the game is model agnostic why do you care

>>96865740
BLORCS NO FUCKING CHANGES?!?!? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! OH WOW!!! LOST LONER ON THE TROLL!!!!! THAT'S REALLY FUCKING GOING TO HELP THEM CATCH ANY FUCKING PLAYER THAT JUST MOVES 5 SQUARES AWAY AND THERES NOTHING I CAN DO APART FROM THROW GOBLINS AT IT!!! HERE WE GO FOR ANOTHER WHOLE FUCKING EDITION!!!! FUCKING LOVE EVERY FUCKING TEAM GETS NEW FANCY RULES, DWARF'S MASSIVELY CHANGED, OH WOW THATS COOL, IMPERIAL NOBS GET FUCKING LOTS OF CHANGES,LOOKS EXCITING, MAKES SENSE THEY WERE A FUCKING SHIT TEAM, OOOOOO OWA SHIT TEAM GETS LOTS OF NICE FUCKING CHANGES BUT BLORC'S?!?!? NAH FUCK EM, TAKE LONER OF THE TROLL, REALLY INVENTIVE, I'M DOING CARTWHEELS OVER HERE, THAT WILL REALLY! REAAAALLY!!! FUCKING HELP THEM.

>>96868341
I almost fell for this bait. (You) have earned this.

>>96868366
you can make a blorc get the ball with a 2+

>>96864354
It isn't about the movement distances themselves that makes it more reliable and happen more often in N23 compared to N95, it is alternative activation, attacker swinging first, and the variable nature of the distance meaning people can/will take more risks moving into the max range of a charge to do stuff. In N95 you needed 2 whole turns of yours and one of your opponents to get a charge if you were out of range, where as in N23 if you activate last in a turn and win priority you can activate and charge a model first before they can run. Even just forcing that consideration of who/what to activate first creates more opportunity since he can't waltz his whole gang away before you can do anything. In melee as well as much fun as N95 melee was to do it largely came down to who was the better rapist and there was little a non-melee focused fighter could do about it. In N23 counter charging a good melee fighter is at least a little viable since you can swing first even if it is only 2 attacks at poor stats. So regardless of what anyone says I believe it is provable that melee in N23 reliably happens more often compared to N95. This is before even getting into various roster and gear options.

>>96867873
Stops your guy from potentially being injured/killed too. It's not a bad skill.

>>96868366
Blorcs got the biggest buff in the game, 2 less Gutter Runners on the pitch

"Fuck halflings."
— Griff Overwald

>>96868352
so it's a useless skill until you skill up enough to get hit and run. It has the same problem as strip ball on the blitzers, it's pointless by itself, it needs more skills to make it useful and you don't want it on both of them. It's a retarded addition they made because the model has a knife, not because they know what they are doing.

>>96868443
>Overwald

>>96868443
Thank fuck, no more Grifffling abuse.

>>96867443
Stall 7 squares away from the score line on turns <6. Wall off your ball carrier. Fail a dodge with an out of position rotter to stop the stalling rule.

Would you drink Rotspawn juice

>>96868634
Alongside my good old Nurgle King menu

>>96868366
Goblins got the big D, and brawler is buffed, I'm 99% sure of it.

>>96868634
>rotters still ag4+, thanks JTY
>only 2 pestigors
>but now pickmeup on spawn

I can see them being an absolute menace to face on a good day

>>96868644
Brawler is not buffed, it works exactly the same as before.

>>96868655
Proofs?

>>96868634
I’d shotgun a RotSpawn brew for the Plaguefather! I bet it’s just like Slurm in Futurama

>>96868699
How are the other skills? Mighty Blow and Claw interact the same?

>>96868631
So stall as a way to control the speed of the game as the slow team? All your suggestions achieve the same thing as "stalling" just with more steps

>>96868715
Yes, Claw is still worded as an "unmodified armor roll of 8+".

>>96868717
Yes, without the stall rule activating.
>>96868699
I fail to see the blitz restriction (unless it's built into the blitz rule itself).

>>96868736
"Declares a block action" is distinct from "performs a block". Blitz is a special movement action a player can declare which allows them to perform a block during that action.

>new skill gives you a 6+ save from getting POWed

Oh fuck off. These designers that are allegedly on £19,000 a year don't deserve a penny more.

>>96868755
Not just that, but it's a 6+ save against botched dodges and gfi's.

I have wanted something like "stalling" for years. Sitting there and bashing a team to death while a player is right next to the end zone is awful

>>96868729
Good. Bloodspawn still shreds

>>96865747
>what's that? A weakness of your team early on is that you have no specialized ball carrier and have to rely on your linemen for it until an expensive, limited position you might not even afford starting with two of can skill for it?
>let's just remove the most important skill category from your linemen, you didn't need a sure hands/block hobgoblin after all
>don't worry, you can buy the overpriced stabba instead! He still gets G skills :-)

are there more leaked stars?

Plz underworld roster plz

>>96868871

I am very behind on team knowledge. Is every change for new CD a straight up nerf? I already hated what they did to them in 2020 to start

>>96869044
the stabbas are cheaper and shadowing is better

>>96869046

Thanks so much. Seem pretty much untouched overall which...I unno...I'm no expert but they just seem like they are gonna lose half their team to cas rolls like before.

any leaks on new brettonian or khemri stars? i need my ramtut

>>96865766
Do you think they swapped the doom diver and ooligan cost by mistake?

the keywords on the positionals are a prelude to some other big change that's coming.

Can we get the changed kick off event/weather and or some more of the skill pages plz

>>96866116
>imperial ogre gets mutation secondary
what the fuck am i blind or is this new?

>>96869124
I'll point out some less subtle buffs. The big ones are definitely in not just skill access, but what skills are found where now:

>The best fouling related skill is probably still Dirty Player, which nearly the entire team can pick up on a normal skill up, instead of just the rats
>free stab on the gutter runner
>free strip ball and +MA on the blitzer (lol skaven had to lose half of their gutter runners to get this)
>in general the entire team is going to be better at keeping up with attrition because fouls are going to be strong this edition - aside from more access to cheap DP, there is also Lone Fouler, which lets you re-roll the armor roll for a solo foul. There's no restrictions on using other foul skills with this, meaning you basically have the old Piling On + Mighty Blow combo, but for fouls.

>>96869252
Set Plays (strategems) and Audibles (ploys) you trigger by spending Huddle Points (command points).

>>96868366
"Brawlin' Brutes" might be really good. I was praying for MV 5 black orcs. Itsa fucking joke that the orcs big cunts get mv 5.

>bullseye allows big guys' thrown teammates to not scatter
>lethal flight adds +1 to armor/injury when landing on opponents from throw teammates
this is going to be really fun for my goblins

>>96869046
I'm guessing the Rat Ogre is still a choice and just cut off?

>>96869598
>foulers paradise
Holy Kino GW, you gave me exactly what I wanted! And then locked elfcels out of it, bravo!
I’m gonna play ogres and gun for lone fouler dirty player snots by any means possible as cheap as possible. Induce stars the full monty, going whole hog for the inaugural league.

So let me get this clear.
They removed the most important positionals from humans. Didnt give any real buffs to compensate. The team has no ability now to bash properly.

Meanwhile orcs got buffed to the fucking moon and look hands down like the best team in the entire game by a very wide margin?

Someone explain this retarded logic from GW

>>96870530
New human sculpt, rules and spike magazine in 1-3 years. Is this your first GW new edition roulette? It's the same live servicelike enshittification nonsense as in their main games, and one of the major reasons why I finally dropped 40k in 8e. Maybe I'll join the old thing good, new thing bad gang soon.

>>96870539
>Maybe I'll join the old thing good, new thing bad gang soon.
I mean I've been in that gang for a while now. But seeing it done to BB feels especially bad

>>96868931
There was a few on facebook but otherwise no sadly.

>>96867349
I've never played a BB, but anti-stalling measures does not seem like a bad design choice. Could someone explain to me what is the problem?

>>96871068
So the core strategy for every team is to control when you score. Optimal play is to score on your last turn so the opponent has only one turn left which usually isnt enough. If you just run the ball to the finish line and score in 5 turns, its absolutely trivial for the opponent to equalize.

Thus, there are a variety of ways to play a drive of BB. You can move the ball surrounded by your players slowly and deliberately on the pitch inching forwards until on final turns you make a dash towards the finish line.
Alternatively you can keep your ball carrier deep within your own half, screen or bash at the enemy for a while, before then rapidly moving the ball up.

If you go with the usual slow grind you might get an opportunity to run past the enemy team early while still having enough players to set up a screen or cage to protect your carrier. Then you try to protect the carrier near the opponent's end of the pitch for a turn or two before scoring.
This is what is called stalling. The opponent has made a terrible mistake, allowing you to run past his team with multiple players.
The new rule can heavily punish you if you take advantage of the opponent's mistake. Instead seemingly the correct play is to ignore the mistake and just advance with the ball carrier during the final turns.

So literally all this does is remove agency from the play to punish horrible positioning from the defending team. Its a really odd change since stalling isnt an issue with competent players. It only angers retards who dont comprehend basic BB strategy, do not defend, do not pressure the ball and just allow for stalling to happen.

What if you don’t activate the player with the ball and his cage?

>>96871184
There's a rule explaining how players can activate and just maintain their position without having to do any mandatory rolls from skills or traits (aka stand and do nothing), but that for the purposes of the anti-stall rule, any players that would be subject to it that is activated in this way is still considered to have been activated for the purpose of that rule.

There is nothing about the actual loop hole, which is to deliberately cause a turnover with another player while holding a stall position.

>>96871216
And do you HAVE to activate every player in a turn? Are you forced to? This may sound secondary as fuck but I’m used to playing on fumbbl (despite having a physical team) and on that you can just not activate pieces

>>96871223
Yes, the way the turn structure is described in 2020 and this edition is that each coach's turn is played by choosing and activating the players on the field they control one at a time until there are none left or a turnover occurs, either one being the way the turn ends. This was a problem early on in 2020 because people realized this meant things like big guy traits were forced to be rolled every turn, so GW faq'd a similar clause about how players can be "activated" without having to do any mandatory rolls and just hold position.

In practice this obviously means basically the same thing as in 2016 and CRP rules, but has room for weird little distinctions like this anti-stall rule.

>>96871237
Good to know, thanks!

Are one of you faggots going to make a new thread or do I have to make another shitty one

>>96871116
Literally keep the ball carrier one space back from being able to walk into the end zone. If you have to go for it you have to roll dice and they can't force you to roll the dice

>>96864252
Hmmm she is fit to bear my child.
Our offspring shall conquer nations

Only 20 stars in the manual.
Who do you think are the missing 5?

>>96871408
I would assume at least one of the goblin secret weapons.

>>96870530
>Meanwhile orcs got buffed to the fucking moon and look hands down like the best team in the entire game by a very wide margin?
You clearly didn't look at OWA. Tree losing loner alone would have been massive, much less block dwarfs, tackle Blitzer, sprint runner... Who the hell thought making a dwarf runner faster than a human thrower was a good idea??

But yes, S access orc linos are going to be game breaking in perpetual environments. And Mr.Throw is suddenly useful with MA 6.

Almost every team that was changed got a buff except humans and skaven, who both got massively debuffed. The sleeper buffs are Chaos with cheaper RR and thick skull; thick skull is massively underrated on linos, reducing KOs by more than half. Yes it sucks to lose S access but you are also saving ~70k of TV based on the reduced costs. Nobs got a huge upgrade as well, as their main problem was being overcosted and now that is not an issue, along with AG3+ linos which is massive for no cost increase.

>>96871426
I don't think so.

>>96871486
>S access orc linos are going to be game breaking in perpetual environments

Eh, they lost 2 bigguns and 2 blitzers, being able to replace them with linemen eventually isnt going to break anything.

OWA seems like a decent enough team to run now though at least

>>96871534
Guard without block kind of sucks. And getting both makes the Orc cost as much as a vamp blitzer.

>>96871534
>isnt going to break anything
Imagine running into min/maxed orcs on blackbox. You could have 5 block/MB and 5 guard players with Mr. Throw carrying for under 1000 TV. With +3spp for a cas you could scale a MB first team very quickly. Losing the bugguns/blitzers is why they aren't as good as OWA.

How annoying will it be to keep track of gouged eyes against zombies?

>>96871486
Amazon girl, living in amazon world. We are all living in the Amazon world.

>>96871624
Amazons should have had dodge replaced with break tackle. Oh well.

>>96871597
5 BlocksMBs are 550k 5 guarders are 400k Mr.Throw is 75k so you are above 1000 even with 0 Rerolls and no bench.

>>96860497
That sucks man, I play both and definitely like Mordheim better myself. I have to drive to another town to get my Mordheim in. You should still play Frostgrave though, while your henchmen not leveling is pretty boring to me the crazy shit that happens from Frostgrave spellcasting is hilarious. Also, Frostgave has a lot of narrative campaigns across its books that are fun to run through.

I'd still keep working on your Mordheim warbands as well and just join a local gaming Discord to see if you can get guys to join a campaign. I'd even consider playing your Frostgrave campaign at a store to meet more people interested in that type of game and seeing if they want to try Mordheim.

>>96871657
You aren't mathing that correctly. Block/MB is 40TV, plus 50 TV base is 90TV, times 5 is 450 TV for 5 block/MB

The whole team comes to 995 TV

>>96871722
With 2 RR

>>96871722
Block and MB are elite skills and cost +10k

>>96871783
>Block and MB are elite skills and cost +10k
Details I was not aware of :)

>Old thing: good
>New thing: bad
>Sky: falling
>Hell: frozen over
>World: ending
>Game: ruined
>Minor changes: impossible to houserule
>Major changes: done specifically to target me
Yep, it's new edition season in /gwsg/. I love this thread.
On topic, I'm looking forward to trying the new Blood Bowl. I like tomb kings and my wife likes the brettonians so it's a great box for us. Also permenant pump wagons in snotling sevens is going to be wild.

>>96872105
>I'm looking forward to trying the new Blood Bowl.
You're a faggot, you have no wife and the only shining light in your existence is the hope that someday if you shill enough GW will give you a free box of primarisharts.

>>96872105
What's your wife's BMI, cup size and kink

>>96872105
>anons wife

How the hell do you develop a hobgoblin lineman now? those mf only have devious now. Sure, you can have a dedicated fouler, but what about the others?

>>96872284
You don't. Were you really that excited to pay 30 TV for block or sure hands?

Yea is CD just awful now or am I overreacting?

>>96872141
>>96872159
>>96872240
Post your models and the date of your last Blood Bowl game

>>96872309
Yeah but they were awful before, just embrace that you are playing a bad team and get the two stabbas

>>96872453
You first shill, youre in our house.

>>96872453
I was just asking you questions about your wife, bro

I used to main humans and even with the extra strength and abilities on the catchers and blitzers, I don't see how they're to manage. Going from 4 to 2 blitzers was crippling before, now you start with 2 maximum.

What to do?

>>96872985
>What to do?
play amazons like the coomer GW staff since they are the only good team

Are goblins still incredibly unfun to play?

>>96873003
I fucking hate amazons. They're too cheesy. I liked humans cause of their variance. Now they just seem to suck ass.

>>96873021
Define unfun.

Do you mean

>holy fucking shit I actually can't use this team as it just destroys itself

Then yes.

Trolls did lose loner though but yiu just know that means you're gonna Snake their stupid test.

>>96872985
Catchers are really good now: with St3, Dodge and G primary access they become St3 blodgers quickly.
Still a nerf tho

>>96873029
I feel like they need more ways to bring secret weapons on the field. Its supposed to be their whole thing.

Snotling Pump Wagons lost SW for fucks sake, normal goblins seem to get nothing.

>>96873065
It took 20+ years but the trolls lost loner. Joy. They should also still have cheap bribes

>>96873062
Sure, its less the catchers being dropped to 2, its more the blitzers being dropped to 2. Even with the ogre, good luck holding the line against a half decent bash coach.

>>96873073
GW are faggots for not changing the yeti. All Norse apparently got was hatred on receiving a cas. While hatred is great, the usage is gonna be absolute shit unless you're playing a league stacked with a few races

>>96873425
The Yeti is redundant as Norse still kick people's shit in with their impentrable AV 9000+. But yes the Yeti definitely needed a bit of an upgrade.

MESBG bros how does this look for a Halls of Thranduil list for a new player? I have one of every model except the rangers so I can swap stuff liberally.

>>96873435
You forget that the yeti is cool and therefore a required member of any roster

>>96873606
It's called a Snow Troll, newfag

>>96873606
I do not disagree there. He is pretty cool. Got an old 3rd party one i will show next thread

>>96873754
Hell yeah. Excited to see it

Someone make another thread :)